The Official '52' Thread

[BrianWilly]

Eh, he's a heavy bruiser but he's not near Superman's full, unbridled, moon-moving strength -- which is exactly what he'd be facing in Black Adam -- unless we're talking Byrne reboot levels. The true reason that he would ever give Superman trouble is because of his Kryptonite. Any other reason is a convenience of plot (ie "Superman's holding back! Not using his full strength so he won't accidentally kill someone!"), not statistics.

[Anubis]

And his levels are probably down even more now that he's ditched most of his Metallo alloy.

[Spike_x1]

And his levels are probably down even more now that he's ditched most of his Metallo alloy.Yeah, that's true. I forgot that he no longer has neither his Neron-granted abilities, nor his Brainiac 13-granted powers. With them, he was a technological god, above Superman's strength level if he chose to go into giant mode, and he could just create a geo-magnet in his body that would make him literally unmovable so long as he's in contact with the earth (happened once before).

Corben didn't have kryptonite all through the 90's, and the writers did a very good job, IMO, of compensating for that by upgrading his technology more and more.

He used to be one of my favorite villains. Now he's just a guy with a rock in his chest. :csad: :heart:

[Darthphere]

Rocks. Action Comics Annual #10.

[Spike_x1]

Not at this point, though. He only gets the other ones after OYL.

[Darthphere]

I live in the present, not in the past.

[Eros]

metaphors abound.

[Spike_x1]

Humbug.

[The Question]

Eh, he's a heavy bruiser but he's not near Superman's full, unbridled, moon-moving strength -- which is exactly what he'd be facing in Black Adam -- unless we're talking Byrne reboot levels. The true reason that he would ever give Superman trouble is because of his Kryptonite. Any other reason is a convenience of plot (ie "Superman's holding back! Not using his full strength so he won't accidentally kill someone!"), not statistics.

God damn moon moving Superman with his unholy movings of moons.


As you can see, I'm not a big on the moon moving.

[BrianWilly]

I do find it strange that "Black Adam vs the world" is really that much of an issue. I mean, it sounds cool for a tag-line, but practically we know that if we pit Black Adam against the world, the world is gonna win:O.

I'm guessing that he comes up with a bunch of alliances; countries that are allied with him or sympathize with his plight and the whatnot.

[Anubis]

Or he could just find a nice secluded spot and split the world in two.

[BrianWilly]

But think of the bunnies.

Besides, Isis told him to change the world with his ways (violent, violent ways, but still), not to destroy it. It's not like he's gonna doom all of Kahndaq or something.

And more besides...would that be before or after Alan Scott, the other Green Lanterns including Ion, Power Girl, and Martian Manhunter deliver a collective kick to his gonads? Adam is a powerful force, but the DCU has powerful forces hanging around every corner, even without Superman and Wonder Woman; like I said, if it was just him alone against the world, the world is gonna win.

And the trump card is that Billy Batson right now holds the power to end Adam's reign at any point he chooses. He probably has the wisdom to not interfere too much right now without good reason, but the Earth being split in two probably counts as a good reason.

[yenaled]

I'm pretty sure the countries in the Freedom of Power Treaty will side with Black Adam.

[Colossal Spoons]

We've since learned that that's the promo for Countdown, not World War III.

Here's the timeline:

Infinite Crisis -> 52 -> 52 Week 50 (World War III) -> OYL -> Countdown -> Ultra Infinite Monitors Multiverse Rape TIME IS SO BROKEN Crisis Electric Bugaloo.

Awesome, I'm glad somebody knows what we're counting down to.

[BrianWilly]

I so cracked their little code.
I'm pretty sure the countries in the Freedom of Power Treaty will side with Black Adam.I forget which countries exactly were a part of that...didn't Adam himself break off from that treaty? Didn't he piss off China or something? Or was it Russia? I can't remember any of it...which is embarrassing, since I usually really like DC's political junk:o.

[yenaled]

Adam just said he won't be executing people anymore but didn't withdraw from the treaty. Not that I remember anyway. The treaty is still in effect OYL anyway going by Green Lantern and Checkmate.

According to Wikipedia; China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iran, Kahndaq, Modora, Myanmar, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Uzbekistan, Zandia are part of the treaty.

China, Kahndaq, Modora, Russia and Zandia obviously have the Superhuman protectors/rulers and I guess the remaining Feithera will join with Black Adam.

[sinewave]

aren't the amazons going to have a hand in wwIII, or is the amazon's attack story not going to coincide with it?

[Darthphere]

Separate thing.

[Horseman Gambit]

I wonder who's picture is in front of waller

[yenaled]

WWIII 4 Cover from Mooses' Blog.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4766/wwiii4cvrayy3.jpg

[BrianWilly]

Buh?

[Colossal Spoons]

Exactly

[Memphis Slim]

Awesome, I'm glad somebody knows what we're counting down to.


I think Superboy Prime is busting out of that prison........

[Memphis Slim]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4766/wwiii4cvrayy3.jpg


WHOA!!!!!!!!! :wow: :wow:

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Superboy Prime is busting out of that prison........

Oh noes!

[Eros]

I think Superboy Prime is busting out of that prison........

why those guardian midgets have not killed him yet is perfect example of DC stupidity at its finest.

[Kebab gud]

why those guardian midgets have not killed him yet is perfect example of DC stupidity at its finest.

1: The smurfs don't kill
2: They are interrogating him
3: Its part of a larger plot (as seen in the pages of Green Lantern)

[Laplace_Zombie]

If the larger plot was to use Superboy Prime to create an Earth where he never became so emo...

[BrianWilly]

Here's an..."interesting" interview from Greg Rucka concerning 52 stuff in general.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9945
REFLECTIONS: TALKING "52" WITH GREG RUCKA
by Robert Taylor, Staff Writer
Posted: March 11, 2007 — More From This Author

Reflections Number 199

One column away, and when you see 200 you will have a fan orgasm. That's all I'm going to say right now, but you'll get a little more of a preview after you finish this week's interview.

Speaking of this week's interview, Greg Rucka is in the house, y'all! The bloke has just finished writing "52," and boy does he have a lot to say about the project. Everything you've always wanted to know but were afraid to ask is below, along with Rucka's real motive for killing Rich Johnston. It's one of my favorite interviews, so I'm not going to keep blabbing and just let it speak for itself, so get your butts…er…eyes reading!

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Robert Taylor: So Greg, how's life going?

Greg Rucka: Life has gotten remarkably better in the last two weeks.

RT: Could it be because you finished "52?"

GR: That could be because I finished "52." Well, I should also say that "52" is not done.

I was with the "52" guys this weekend, and we were looking at the stories coming out of WonderCon, where Dan DiDio is saying things like, "They worked so hard for the story that ultimately came out."

We are all sitting there saying, "It's not out!"

I was in New York for the show and saw Michael Siglain, who has been editing the book since [Steve] Wacker left and has been doing a tremendous job, and he's been dealing with the fact that it's not over until the second week of May.

But in the writing sense, yeah, it's done. We will be doing minor brushes on things as they come in, and we will be making sure it all fits the arc. But as far as art? Yeah, that's not done yet.

RT: If everything goes as planned, how will it feel to have completed the bloody thing?

GR: It's gonna come out. There is not one of us who thinks it won't.

They are following it with "Countdown," as everyone now knows. They are doing that in a very different model than "52." They are doing that for a couple of reasons, and the main one is that you just can't do this again.

You are not going to get this group again. You are not going to get four writers who compliment each other as well as we did, and will commit to write a yearlong graphic novel. When this thing is done, it's going to be a legitimate novel with over a thousand pages of comic story, with each page and each element built on what has come before. There is a sense of closure as well; you can tell that there is a beginning, middle and end to the story.

RT: You've spoken before about how certain stories began to change as the year went on. Can you talk a little bit about how exactly you decided to change what you changed?

GR: The story evolved. We talked initially about the final issue being 52 pages, and had blocked the amount of storytelling remaining to fit in there, and then the word came down that if you did 52 pages in the final issue the price would go up.

All of us said no. At that point, if we've had people following us for 51 weeks before telling them, "You know what? The last issue is going to cost you twice as much," we would have been playing dirty pool. As a result, the page count changed and how things panned out changed. Story beats had to be dropped and other things were dropped into week 51.

There was a point where we thought we would be able to drive around the DCU a lot more. At the start, there was a panel at San Diego, where a couple of us were sitting on a panel and Mark Waid kept a master list of the characters people wanted to see in "52," but after awhile we realized we couldn't put them all in there. Either the story follows the characters, or the story is going to serve the exterior agenda, and just because someone wants to see Deathstroke, if we don't have a reason for him to be in the series there is no reason to put him in there.

There were other things that we would have liked to go into a bit more but couldn't because there was conflicting information. There was a big confusion early on because we thought we had Detective Chimp, but apparently he wasn't available that year.

RT: Wasn't he off in his little blood village?

GR: Yeah. People need to relax and stop worrying about how much stuff has to be coordinated at any given time.

There was also a period when we started with "52," and there was a moratorium on others using characters from the book elsewhere. It was pretty clear. Initially we were supposed to be supporting "One Year Later" books in addition to our story. For instance, we would be touching on Oliver Queen's mayoral election, then we looked at a calendar, and saw that they don't have elections in that month. So it had to be an emergency election that would take place later which meant the story beat had to be later.

As "52" continued, there was a turn where Dan sat up and said "Holy ****, this thing is selling really well," and instead of us following other books, he told other books to pick up stuff from us.

And then, we came over the midpoint hump and in-house, they started getting ready for "Countdown," and the focus shifted again.

So it was a very strange project in-house, because "52" is obviously the biggest thing DC has had out in awhile. We've had times in the past year where the company and editorial ignored us, we've had times where they've given us our due, and at other times they've seemed to actually oppose us. It's a big company, and I do feel that for a long time no one knew what to make of us or the story.

The people didn't believe that the book could sell as well as is it did without having Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman in every issue, without having a huge explosion cliffhanger. It was kind of mindboggling.

Yesterday, a friend asked me how I was feeling and I told him I was recovering, and he said, "You should be, you guys wrote four years' worth of books in a year."

RT: Exactly.

GR: And I don't think of it like that, even though I know he's right. The biggest thing about "52" for all of us, and none of us went into it naively, was that none of us knew exactly how hard it was going to be. I think we tried to equate it to other work we had done, and what we discovered is that it is unlike anything and consumes every aspect of your life.

I'm walking through my house as I'm talking to you, and there is "52" stuff everywhere. Underneath this "National Geographic" I have pages from week 51, 50, 47. I have full scripts for 52, full inks for 45. I have rough pencils for 51. I have breakdowns by Keith for 49 and then I've got another draft of week 52's script. And that is just the top of the stack.

There is more.

RT: And I thought my comic box was getting full.

GR: I think we may have killed a couple forests just in production.

RT: Looking back, what was the toughest point of the year? Was it when Wacker left?

GR: Each of us is going to have a different answer for that.

Giffen has said this several times, using the NASCAR analogy, everyone was waiting for the crash while we kept telling people there wasn't going to be a crash. And he said that the reason there wasn't going to be a crash was because he had the power and if the scripts aren't in he was going to lay out whatever the hell he wanted and it was going to be drawn that way. There was that safety net, but we knew that, hell or high water, we were going to make it. The only reason an issue wasn't on stands on a Wednesday would be because of an act of God or a strike. [laughs]

Emotionally, when Steve left, that was a huge thing for me personally. That was really an awful thing.

I do think that it changed the project. It didn't kill it, but there were a couple weeks where I felt really wounded. It's complicated what led to Steve going to Marvel, and there were a lot of factors involved with how it happened and why it happened, but let's just say I was not happy with DC allowing the situation to come about the way it did.

That said, Siglain stepped into the breach and miraculously we all liked him. Frankly, if I were Mike, I would think I was handed the worst job in comics. To use the war analogy, they took our platoon sergeant away and gave us a new guy. And Siglain rose above and beyond.

RT: Now you guys had about eight major storyarcs juggled throughout the series, and since you have issue "52" written, at least, which one do you feel was the most satisfying for you as a writer.

GR: I can't separate them that well, because they did become part of the greater whole.

There are really exquisite moments in every one of the storylines.

I thought week 42 turned out a hell of a lot better than we thought it would when we looked at it on paper.

RT: Poor Ralph!

GR: Poor Ralph, but he kind of got where he wanted to go. There is something sublime about the Ralph story. I'm renowned for being very fond of the Montoya/Charlie stuff. Some of the space stuff really surprised me with how much I was affected by it.

There are two stories coursing through the middle of it all, and that was the Booster/Supernova story and the Black Adam story.

I'm leery of talking about the ending, but the Black Adam stuff is very operatic.

RT: I have to admit I was floored at how well you pulled the rug over our eyes with Isis and Osiris. I was sure you guys had created these characters that would work well for years to come in the DCU, and then look what happened. It was like a punch to the gut.

GR: We were told not to kill them. Dan said we couldn't kill Isis, and the response was "Yes we can." She was created for this purpose. Her death was supposed to be miserable and sad and to understand tragedy.

The reaction is that it is too violent, but you are reacting less to the art and more to the fact that you didn't want it to happen. How can you not like Osiris? He's literally a kid just trying to do the right thing.

RT: And if it wouldn't have been a monthly book, it wouldn't have worked as well.

GR: Paradoxically, we were able to spend more time on it and he was able to get more moments.

RT: Since we are on the topic of Black Adam, let's talk "World War III." Was that something that you had planned at the beginning or did it come up more near the end?

GR: I would have to go back and look at my notes. We knew the endings to all the stories when we started, and, for the most part, the ending to every story is almost exactly what we set out to do.

I think we always knew where Black Adam was going, but we didn't know how we were going to execute it in the final issues, but we realized later some of the elements that were going to come together. That certainly confirmed World War III.

Obviously, it's something DC made a big deal out of without telling us they were going to do this. A lot of stuff was given away, and I think it hurt us and that ticks me off. DiDio's infamous 52 secret message…why in the world would you do that!?

They way they are doing it, and this says nothing about the quality of work that is being done on them, but that was opportunist.

RT: It's not going to have the same power, obviously.

GR: The completists are going to pick it up and realize it didn't turn out any different. I think that is DC looking at stuff Marvel has been doing over the past year and realizing it worked really well.

Marvel doesn't try to be DC, and DC shouldn't try to be Marvel.

[BrianWilly]

Part 2
RT: You mentioned how well the four writers complimented each other - I'm sure you've had this asked in every "52" interview, so you should know how to say it pretty well by now…(laughs)

GR: I think I've been able to refine it. You want to know what each one of us brought, don't you?

RT: Exactly.

GR: Let's start with Grant. He brings the high concept. He brings the idea that none of us can have. He has this capacity to bring in something from left field that we realize is really cool. It doesn't always work, and he'd be the first to admit it, but he shoots out more good ideas over the course of a week than I do over the course of a year. And no one who has worked with Grant can disagree with that.

But at the same time, Grant throws out his big idea and then moves on to the next big thing and if you don't get it, you are screwed. We need him to come back and explain it, but he's already gone!

How about we try something different?

RT: Hey, I'm always up for a little change up if you are.

GR: I'm going to talk about each writer's strengths, and each writer's weaknesses.

I think Geoff does superheroes like nobody's business. He does great action and heroism and excitement and stuff that is really cool, and he does it expertly.

I think sometimes that runs the risk of doing cool for the sake of cool, which might not be a criticism. There was an email exchange at one point, where he said it was okay to do the cool thing because it is cool. I wish I had the presence of mind to respond, because I realized that my reaction should have been, "But if you do that, you have 'Phantom Menace.'" [laughs] I do think that can be a problem.

Understand, I'm going to get to my own shortcomings, which are legion. These guys are my best friends at this point, and I feel like I can say this. We talk to each other very well.

When I say Geoff sometimes does cool for the sake of cool, he is by no means the biggest sinner in that arena. He, at least, always does it with some sense of logic. Some guys will do cool just because it would be a cool page. There is no reason for it; it would just be a cool image. That is crappy storytelling, and Geoff can never be accused of that.

RT: Obviously if you compliment each other so well, then you have to recognize one another's weaknesses to better serve the story.

GR: Exactly.

Mark gets labeled as the historian, but people ignore what a phenomenal writer he is. He is probably the hardest working of all of us, just with the time and effort he puts into each page. He has an understanding of how a comic book works and how you can put one perfect detail in a panel, and it will just sing.

When I was asked what my favorite "52" moment was, I chose the one where Clark throws himself out the window to get the interview with Supernova. That is an example of Mark Waid's brilliance.

There is another moment in issue 52, and it was Mark's suggestion, and it is dead on perfect. When people see it, they will get a chill and a smile. It's simply one change that Mark did.

And he can do that with alarming consistency, and he's that good.

I think that the biggest weakness, and I could be totally wrong, is that sense of history as well. He is so aware of the legacy, that sometimes it throws a roadblock in front of him. He doesn't get resistant to new ideas, but he wants certain things preserved.

And then there is me. I think what I am probably best at are, for lack of a better phrase, those humanizing beats. In a world of gods, the street level is what I love playing in.

Conversely, you can see where the weakness is. I don't write big very well. Comics are a medium where you need to write large scale really well.

RT: But I would argue that, in most of your work, the refreshing street-level take on larger-than-life characters is what sets you apart from other writers. Look at "Gotham Central" or everything but the last few issues of "Wonder Woman."

GR: As with all things, doing it to exclusion is detrimental.

This is really important to add. I've read lots and lots of interviews where creators always say how "really really great the people they are working with are!" and they never ever have a word that can be taken to be critical about those they work with.

I love these guys. They are so good. And the best thing about "52" is working with the people I got to work with, and that is honestly once in a lifetime. You get to work with three of the biggest names at the very top of their game. At the same time.

Every single one of those guys is a huge rock star, and just to be counted in their number is an extraordinary privilege. It's Grant-goddamn-Morrison! Geoff Johns! Mark Waid!

RT: That's like a fan orgasm right there! [laughs]

GR: So the gall of me saying Geoff can work on something is really phenomenal. [laughs] But they are all amazing and I loved working with these guys.

RT: Was there any talk of you guys still working on "Countdown" or did they know that you would say "Hell no!"

GR: There was no discussion at all.

RT: They didn't want you to open fire on the DC offices or anything.

GR: I think that was part of it. [laughs] I think part of it was they knew we were a little busy. I also think they knew it would kill us. The mere fact that Keith is willing to do it speaks to his masochistic streak. He goes two years in a row on weekly comics! This guy is either a madman or enjoys being hurt. I think that when they decided to do "Countdown" they knew they needed Keith, everybody else is replaceable.

Getting Paul [Dini] was very smart, but they are doing "Countdown" in a very different way. Just from what I know of it, it's not the same collaboration at all. It's not a bad thing either, it's a different thing. It's going to read in a very different way.

RT: When you compare "Countdown" and "52," other than them both being weekly comics, the biggest similarity is probably the time aspect, with both seemingly occurring in "real" time.

GR: My understanding is that "Countdown" is by month, instead of doing it week by week. For example, these four issues take place in the same month, whether it's over the course of three days in the month or three hours in the month. Or 23 days out of 30, whereas in "52" you saw the week.

RT: How frustrating did it get to pace yourself like that? As a reader, some of the coolest moments were when you played with that, like when the flashback was Day 156 or something like that.

GR: Mark actually ran the numbers to come up with that.

RT: I can believe that.

GR: They triple-checked it. It was much harder in the start, because you can't cliffhanger in the same way. A bomb can't go off at the end with the next issue starting with the bomb still going off, unless you time it at 11:59 and 59 seconds. It was Mark who was able to articulate it first. I think I realized it subconsciously, but Mark understands so well what the page can do. He turned to us and said that half the tools in the toolbox have been taken away by this format. The time constraints change the pacing radically.

For the first dozen cliffhangers, that was the real challenge. By the end, for me, it was okay.

RT: In the first two months, it seemed like you were trying to get one event on every day of the week, whereas now more is taking place over the course of one or two days.

GR: Especially as you come to the defining moments of the arc, those conclusions take several days to develop but are resolved in a matter of minutes. That is kind of natural, though.

RT: It still led to one of the coolest moments, for me, of the series, with the countdown on New Year's Eve.

GR: We knew going in that we had to do that there.

There are a couple other beats like that as well.

RT: Moving on, Montoya has kind of become "your" character, hasn't she?

GR: I get leery of it, but yeah. I wrote her for quite awhile.

RT: What do you think of her overall character arc from those first issues of "Gotham Central" to her taking over as The Question?

GR: I like the fact that, when all is said and done, you can track a character's progression. DC is a company of legacies. It's crucial to any story. The job is to tell the best stories you can for the characters, and all of us have done very well with the characters we were given to take care of. Following the directions we were given, I still think we gave them the best service we could and I think we served them well.

RT: Tease us about the end.

GR: Just because Supernova is unmasked doesn't mean that he won't be back.

And it's never what you think.

RT: Before we get to the lightning round, tell me how you found out you were going to kill Rich Johnston. For those unaware, I speak of the recently-concluded "CSI: Dying in the Gutters" series in which the popular columnist was electrocuted during a comic convention. Seemingly every comic creator was a suspect, but you turned out to be the killer.

GR: They never told me how I was going to do it. They asked me if I wanted to be in it, and if you said no you knew you were taking yourself way too seriously. But I said if I was to be in it, I wanted to be the guy who did it.

They said Quesada wanted to be the guy who did it, but that was so obvious! I said to make the motive that I want Ed Brubaker back, and there is something appropriate about it. (laughs)

I thought it was funny. You look at those books and it was such a morality play!

RT: And it wouldn't be a bad real "CSI" episode.

GR: I was delighted with it and it turned out so well.

I got an email from Brubaker after the last issue came out and he was just roaring about how brilliant it was.

RT: Okay, lightning round time. What was your first comic book?

GR: My first one that wasn't an "Archie" was an "Incredible Hulk Magazine" where it was the Incredible Hulk versus a nuclear power plant!

RT: What comics can you never miss?

GR: "Green Lantern." "JSA." I really liked the first issue of "Brave and the Bold." "Daredevil." Just because I had a personal interest in seeing it do well, and the fact that it was so good, "Perfect Dark."

RT: I am starting to ask all the exclusive creators how they like the other side of the pond, so how did you like "Civil War?"

GR: I didn't.

It was a bad ending, and seemed out of character. The buildup for it was fabulous, and goddamn the book was beautiful! But I was really disappointed in that ending.

RT: Favorite comic book of all time?

GR: The O'Neil "Question" run. Morrison's "Animal Man." "Daredevil: Born Again." "JSA."

RT: If you could only write one comic for the rest of your career, what would it be?

GR: "Queen and Country." (laughs)

RT: Artist on the book?

GR: Who would you pick?

RT: Tim Sale.

GR: Tim won't do it. He's got a thing about too many panels on a page, and that could be a waste of a page.

I'd pick Michael Lark.

RT: Best comic book movie ever made?

GR: It's a toss up between "Batman Begins" and "The Rocketeer."

RT: What is your weirdest convention experience.

GR: The time I killed Rich Johnston. It was the weirdest experience. [laughs]

RT: If you were remembered for only one thing in your career, what would you want it to be?

GR: Good writing. ...hmm.

[Eros]

1: The smurfs don't kill
2: They are interrogating him
3: Its part of a larger plot (as seen in the pages of Green Lantern)

1: He's to dangerous to be kept alive,33 percent of the universe is in danger if he escapes.

[The Leaguer]

They don't kill, dawg.

[Eros]

They don't kill, dawg.

Yea, and thats stupid..

[The Leaguer]

You're stupid for thinking that. There, that's settled.

[Eros]

You're stupid for thinking that. There, that's settled.

That doesn't change the fact that its stupid boy.

[The Leaguer]

Its not stupid boy, you're stupid boy.

[Eros]

Its not stupid boy, you're stupid boy.

Stripping a pontentially dangerous man down till hes naked,and then interogateing him for months is pretty stupid... boy. Hes a world threatening physcopath, not a muslim terrorist at a U.S. detainment camp.

[The Leaguer]

Essentially, he's the same thing, stupid... boy. Apparently they need him for something they deem important enough to keep him alive. Perhaps the Guardians face greater peril than the destruction of Earth? You don't know, so shut the f*** up until you do.

[Eros]

Essentially, he's the same thing, stupid... boy. Apparently they need him for something they deem important enough to keep him alive. Perhaps the Guardians face greater peril than the destruction of Earth? You don't know, so shut the f*** up until you do.


Did hit a nerve kiddo?:o Anyway if he gets out, they will face a greater peril then the destruction of earth.

[The Leaguer]

Not really, they'll just be like, "hey, you know how like 50 Lanterns were enough to hold you back? Well, we have like 6,000 more."

And my nerves are made of steel.

[Eros]

Not really, they'll just be like, "hey, you know how like 50 Lanterns were enough to hold you back? Well, we have like 6,000 more."

And my nerves are made of steel.


How can the guardians say anything, you know when he smashes thier skulls before they can speak?:huh:

[The Leaguer]

Yeah, I forgot how the hundreds of Green Lanterns who regularly hang around Oa let just about anyone approach the Guardians, especially murderous, super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process, is weakened to begin with, and whose approach is probably well-known.

[Eros]

Yeah, I forgot how the hundreds of Green Lanterns who regularly hang around Oa let just about anyone approach the Guardians, especially murderous, super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process, is weakened to begin with, and whose approach is probably wel-known.

Prime did alter reality with his fists, thus your entire point is irrelevant. You make it sound like him escapeing is impossible, when the "impossible" is done everyday in comics.

[The Leaguer]

When did I say it was impossible for him to escape his prison, smart guy? And what the f*** does punching reality matter? It's not like he has "reality punching" as a power, he happened to be in front of a wall of reality made physical, so he punched it.

[TheCorpulent1]

When did we start calling Superboy Prime just "Prime"? I'm afraid there's only one "Prime" who can go solely by that part of his name, and he is of the Optimus variety. :cmad:

[Varient]

SMH.

I'm surprised that Superboy Prime has not been killed out of Hand. We now know that there is a Latern Corp that does kill with good reason,.... so the "smurfs" do kill thru proxy.

[Eros]

When did I say it was impossible for him to escape his prison, smart guy? And what the f*** does punching reality matter? It's not like he has "reality punching" as a power, he happened to be in front of a wall of reality made physical, so he punched it.

I hope you didn't type that with a straight face.

[The Leaguer]

I didn't, I was laughing at how irrelevant it was when you brought it up.

[Eros]

I didn't, I was laughing at how irrelevant it was when you brought it up.

brought what up?

[Kebab gud]

SMH.

I'm surprised that Superboy Prime has not been killed out of Hand. We now know that there is a Latern Corp that does kill with good reason,.... so the "smurfs" do kill thru proxy.

The Corpse cant be shown on Oa, if they ever show up on Oa then they might aswell start using rings and the GL logo on their chest

[The Leaguer]

This:

Prime did alter reality with his fists, thus your entire point is irrelevant.

[Eros]

This:


Well when somebody can punch "the reality wall" hard enough to change "reality", it only shows how anything is possible in comics. Which was my point in the first place. You made it sound[not said] like it was impossible for him to escape and kills the guardians and some GL [again].

[The Leaguer]

I actually gave a scenario based around the idea of him escaping. :confused:

[Eros]

I actually gave a scenario based around the idea of him escaping. :confused:

when?:huh: Maybe I missed it, post it.

[The Leaguer]

Yeah, I forgot how the hundreds of Green Lanterns who regularly hang around Oa let just about anyone approach the Guardians, especially murderous, super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process, is weakened to begin with, and whose approach is probably well-known.

:rolleyes:

[Eros]

I don't understand, your sarcastic scenario implys him escapeig would be near impossible, because of the overwhelming odds correct?

[Colossal Spoons]

When did I say it was impossible for him to escape his prison, smart guy? And what the f*** does punching reality matter? It's not like he has "reality punching" as a power, he happened to be in front of a wall of reality made physical, so he punched it.

How absurdly humorous. :woot:

[The Leaguer]

I don't understand, your sarcastic scenario implys him escapeig would be near impossible, because of the overwhelming odds correct?

No, you idiot, I SAID HE ESCAPED.

"super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process"

What the f*** do you think that means!?

[Eros]

No, you idiot, I SAID HE ESCAPED.

"super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process"

What the f*** do you think that means!?

So your implying if Prime gets out, they will stop him?

[The Leaguer]

Figured that out, did you?

[Eros]

Figured that out, did you?


so what are you trying to say? that Prime could get out, but itsimpossible for him to get past the GLs?

[The Leaguer]

I'm saying he wouldn't kill the Guardians, which is what you said he'd do.

[Eros]

I'm saying he wouldn't kill the Guardians, which is what you said he'd do.

He would, but he can't is what you mean kiddo?

[The Leaguer]

No, I'm saying he wouldn't, guy whose mother I f***ed. If he came at the Guardians, he WOULD be stopped.

[Eros]

No, I'm saying he wouldn't, guy whose mother I f***ed. If he came at the Guardians, he WOULD be stopped.


You banged a rotting corpse? I have to give it you man, you have some balls.

[The Leaguer]

For that hour and a half, it was your mother who had my balls.

[Eros]

For that hour and a half, it was your mother who had my balls.


Thats nice man, but man, banging dead *****es is some hardcore stuff.

[The Leaguer]

I am harder than hardcore.

[Eros]

I am harder than hardcore.


You think you know someone, then they tell you they bang dead corpses, and it changes everything. Well atleast you don't need a condom Leaguer, do you film these sexual encounters, or its more of a pleasure thing? also when your done, do you put them back in their graves, or do you just leave them out for further use?

[sethcohen]

totally leave em out for further use... you mean you havent done this sort of thing? pft!

[Purple Man]

Leaguer is so awesome with his rude and crude attitude!

I can only hope to be as cool and ignorant as him one day. Guess I gotta get started on giving myself brain damage.

[Colossal Spoons]

*fuel to fire*

[Knives122]

Watching a stupid person be an even bigger idiot is fun. I should do this more often. Poor stupid little Leaguer

[Eros]

totally leave em out for further use... you mean you havent done this sort of thing? pft!


I tend to bang living women, you know the whole dead corpse things is a turn off for me, not for Leaguer though apprently. I respect him for that, he bangs dead chicks, that does not mean he is any less of a man.

[hippy fascist]

Watching a stupid people be an even bigger idiot is fun. I should do this more often. Poor stupid little Leaguer

Watching people call others stupid, when they themselves can't even construct a simple sentence, is also fun :)

"A stupid people"? :huh:

[sethcohen]

burn

[The Leaguer]

I need to bump the Leaguer and Darth thread, so that these fools are reminded at how f***ing awesome I am.

[Darthphere]

1: He's to dangerous to be kept alive,33 percent of the universe is in danger if he escapes.

They don't kill, dawg.

Yea, and thats stupid..

You're stupid for thinking that. There, that's settled.

That doesn't change the fact that its stupid boy.

Its not stupid boy, you're stupid boy.

Stripping a pontentially dangerous man down till hes naked,and then interogateing him for months is pretty stupid... boy. Hes a world threatening physcopath, not a muslim terrorist at a U.S. detainment camp.

Essentially, he's the same thing, stupid... boy. Apparently they need him for something they deem important enough to keep him alive. Perhaps the Guardians face greater peril than the destruction of Earth? You don't know, so shut the f*** up until you do.

Did hit a nerve kiddo?:o Anyway if he gets out, they will face a greater peril then the destruction of earth.

Not really, they'll just be like, "hey, you know how like 50 Lanterns were enough to hold you back? Well, we have like 6,000 more."

And my nerves are made of steel.

How can the guardians say anything, you know when he smashes thier skulls before they can speak?:huh:

Yeah, I forgot how the hundreds of Green Lanterns who regularly hang around Oa let just about anyone approach the Guardians, especially murderous, super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process, is weakened to begin with, and whose approach is probably well-known.

Prime did alter reality with his fists, thus your entire point is irrelevant. You make it sound like him escapeing is impossible, when the "impossible" is done everyday in comics.

When did I say it was impossible for him to escape his prison, smart guy? And what the f*** does punching reality matter? It's not like he has "reality punching" as a power, he happened to be in front of a wall of reality made physical, so he punched it.

When did we start calling Superboy Prime just "Prime"? I'm afraid there's only one "Prime" who can go solely by that part of his name, and he is of the Optimus variety. :cmad:

I hope you didn't type that with a straight face.

I didn't, I was laughing at how irrelevant it was when you brought it up.

brought what up?

This:

Well when somebody can punch "the reality wall" hard enough to change "reality", it only shows how anything is possible in comics. Which was my point in the first place. You made it sound[not said] like it was impossible for him to escape and kills the guardians and some GL [again].

I actually gave a scenario based around the idea of him escaping. :confused:

when?:huh: Maybe I missed it, post it.

:rolleyes:

I don't understand, your sarcastic scenario implys him escapeig would be near impossible, because of the overwhelming odds correct?

No, you idiot, I SAID HE ESCAPED.

"super-powered psychos who killed their buddies, probably got injured and weakened in the process"

What the f*** do you think that means!?

So your implying if Prime gets out, they will stop him?

Figured that out, did you?

so what are you trying to say? that Prime could get out, but itsimpossible for him to get past the GLs?

I'm saying he wouldn't kill the Guardians, which is what you said he'd do.

He would, but he can't is what you mean kiddo?

No, I'm saying he wouldn't, guy whose mother I f***ed. If he came at the Guardians, he WOULD be stopped.

You banged a rotting corpse? I have to give it you man, you have some balls.

For that hour and a half, it was your mother who had my balls.

Thats nice man, but man, banging dead *****es is some hardcore stuff.

I am harder than hardcore.

You think you know someone, then they tell you they bang dead corpses, and it changes everything. Well atleast you don't need a condom Leaguer, do you film these sexual encounters, or its more of a pleasure thing? also when your done, do you put them back in their graves, or do you just leave them out for further use?

I need to bump the Leaguer and Darth thread, so that these fools are reminded at how f***ing awesome I am.


Epic.

[The Leaguer]

Eros started it. I ended it.

[Eros]

Eros started it. I ended it.

You ended it by revealing your odd need to bang dead women, I don't mess with stuff like that kiddo.

[The Leaguer]

Not just dead women. Your mother.

[Eros]

Not just dead women. Your mother.

like I said before shes dead to, but im sure it makes no difference to you, as long as theirs a place to put that penis.

[Darthphere]

Holy ****.

[hippy fascist]

You ended it by revealing your odd need to bang dead women, I don't mess with stuff like that kiddo.

just an observation..."kiddo"...really not working for you. I can see how you've tried to introduce it gradually but I think now's a good time to cut bait on that one :o

[Eros]

just an observation..."kiddo"...really not working for you. I can see how you've tried to introduce it gradually but I think now's a good time to cut bait on that one :o


Thanks:huh:

[batnkevlar]

So... 52...

yeah?

[Colossal Spoons]

**** 52! Let's talk about the origin of the word "kiddo".

[Kebab gud]

Eros has seen too mutch Kill bill ...

[Ultimate_Superman]

After reading this issue when you look up the word bad ass it should have a pic of Black Adam next to it.

[Darthphere]

Pathetic. it took you that long to figure that out?

[Knives122]

Well I think I'll end the idiocy that is off topic chatting and actually talk about 52:

Pretty much the Marvels bury Isis and Osiris(I don't care what their real names are). Renee tries to council BA but instead almost gets her head crushed and was only able to save her neck b/c she said Isis was her friend.

BA goes to Bialya to basically find death, he then decides that in order to find him he must kill every person there. But WAIT!! There's more!! It just so happens that all the people that BA killed made Death stronger. It looks like BA is about to lose but he decides to break Death's scythe, stab him with it, SHAZAM the **** out of Death, hit him in the back with a pillar, and then bleeds the information of where he came from and who sent him out of Death before killing him.

Blah Blah, that little bald doctor guy from the outsiders seems to be the only one happy that BA is coming to kill them all.

Bottom line: Best 52 chapter ever

issue: http://www.sendspace.com/file/4eumo4

[WompuM]

definatley not the best 52 yet and the little blad guy is doctor sivana, basically the lex luthor of captain marvel.

[Darthphere]

Well I think I'll end the idiocy that is off topic chatting and actually talk about 52:

Pretty much the Marvels bury Isis and Osiris(I don't care what their real names are). Renee tries to council BA but instead almost gets her head crushed and was only able to save her neck b/c she said Isis was her friend.

BA goes to Bialya to basically find death, he then decides that in order to find him he must kill every person there. But WAIT!! There's more!! It just so happens that all the people that BA killed made Death stronger. It looks like BA is about to lose but he decides to break Death's scythe, stab him with it, SHAZAM the **** out of Death, hit him in the back with a pillar, and then bleeds the information of where he came from and who sent him out of Death before killing him.

Blah Blah, that little bald doctor guy from the outsiders seems to be the only one happy that BA is coming to kill them all.

Bottom line: Best 52 chapter ever

issue: http://www.sendspace.com/file/4eumo4


Please, our banter is a lot more entertaining than 52.

Why do you keep posting illegal downloads for comics?

:o :o :o :o :o

[hippy fascist]

Please, our banter is a lot more entertaining than 52.

Why do you keep posting illegal downloads for comics?

:o :o :o :o :o

because the mods don't come in here...


:o

[Knives122]

Why do you care so much.

[hippy fascist]

Why do you care so much.

he doesn't, he just wants to get you banned...

[Knives122]

I noticed. It's basically him s***ing in the thread like he does every other, not really contributing anything.(and posting all the posts you made just solidifies the fact) I tend to ignore it.

It's funny b/c he probably dl what was in the spoiler too.

[BrianWilly]

So...why do you keep posting illegal downloads for comics?

[BrianWilly]

52 Week 45
I love the political backdrop of the DCU. Have loved it ever since Rucka brought it into Wonder Woman. With a lot of political writings it's a constant danger for the writer to just sound pretentious no matter whose side he's on. With Rucka though -- who is obviously a heavy hand in this -- it's always just interesting.

I'm not sure I buy Black Adam ruthlessly slaughtering innocents, though, much less the entire population of a country. Even at his very very worst, Adam would not confuse an enemy with an innocent. And he would care about the difference. If he were ranting or berserked or otherwise noticeably insane, it would be easier to swallow; yet the Adam we see here is completely aware of his actions and devoid of psychosis, regardless of how out of control and how angry/grieving he is. It's not only unforgiveable, it's not even very understandable.

And considering the severity of the actions, I'm pretty surprised that the JSA haven't tripped all over themselves in running the hell to Bialya and putting the psycho down the very first day that it happened, much less throughout the entire week. They've gone over and tried to beat down Adam for much, much lesser crimes before. It's true that there is a Freedom of Power Treaty in the DCU now which limits foreign superhero influence, but the other countries of the world don't seem like they'd mind someone dealing with Adam, and it's not like the JSA has always been so by-the-books that they wouldn't risk a little foreign antagonism for stopping wholesale genocide.

What's interesting though is that the Great Ten seems to be against Adam in this, even though we're being led to believe by upcoming covers that the Great Ten will be fighting against the JSA and the American heroes. So either the Chinese change their mind, or...or the American heroes will actually end up fighting on Adam's side.

Hmm.

(8 out of 10)

[Darthphere]

Why do you care so much.

he doesn't, he just wants to get you banned...

:up:

I noticed. It's basically him s***ing in the thread like he does every other, not really contributing anything.(and posting all the posts you made just solidifies the fact) I tend to ignore it.

It's funny b/c he probably dl what was in the spoiler too.

At least I'm not committing illegal acts on this messageboard. Good job contributing as well.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Please, our banter is a lot more entertaining than 52.

Why do you keep posting illegal downloads for comics?

:o :o :o :o :oWhy you being a snitch?

[Darthphere]

If I wanted to snitch I'd report his post, I was merely asking a simple question of why he keeps posting illegal downloads?

[Ultimate_Superman]

If I wanted to snitch I'd report his post, I was merely asking a simple question of why he keeps posting illegal downloads?LOL snitching at its finest you post in big text to get the attention of the mods.

[Darthphere]

That would be correct, if any mods actually looked in here.:wow:

[Ultimate_Superman]

That would be correct, if any mods actually looked in here.:wow:Dew, Morg and C LEE do.:csad:

[yenaled]

Hey guys! I hear he is posting those illegal download links again!

[Darthphere]

I still dont know why ASS is bothering me about this, he's the one thats bankrupting the comic book business!

[GoldenAgeHero]

Hal jordan is the best!!! lawl

[Ultimate_Superman]

I still dont know why ASS is bothering me about this, he's the one thats bankrupting the comic book business!I just like to post in big text:(

[hippy fascist]

I just like to post in big text:(

I like to post in big pink text :yay:

[Colossal Spoons]

I like big butts and I cannot lie!

[hippy fascist]

You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But with that butt you got makes me feel so horny
Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
'Cause you ain't that average groupy
I've seen them dancin'
The hell with romancin'
She's sweat, wet,
Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
I'm tired of magazines
Sayin' flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
Shake that healthy butt!
Baby got back!

(LA face with Oakland booty)
Baby got back!

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
I like 'em round, and big
And when I'm throwin' a gig
I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal
Now here's my scandal
I wanna get you home
And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh
I ain't talkin' bout Playboy
'Cause silicone parts are made for toys
I want 'em real thick and juicy
So find that juicy double
Mix-a-Lot's in trouble
Beggin' for a piece of that bubble
So I'm lookin' at rock videos
Knock-kneeded bimbos walkin' like hoes
You can have them bimbos
I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
A word to the thick soul sistas, I wanna get with ya
I won't cuss or hit ya
But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna ******
Til the break of dawn
Baby got it goin' on
A lot of simps won't like this song
'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it
And I'd rather stay and play
'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
And I'm down to get the friction on
So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah}
If you wanna role in my Mercedes {Yeah!}
Then turn around! Stick it out!
Even white boys got to shout
Baby got back!

Baby got back!
Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin'
to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".

[Sir Mix-a-Lot]
So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda
But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
My anaconda don't want none
Unless you've got buns, hun
You can do side bends or sit-ups,
But please don't lose that butt
Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role
And tell you that the butt ain't gold
So they toss it and leave it
And I pull up quick to retrieve it
So Cosmo says you're fat
Well I ain't down with that!
'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin'
And I'm thinkin' bout stickin'
To the beanpole dames in the magazines:
You ain't it, Miss Thing!
Give me a sista, I can't resist her
Red beans and rice didn't miss her
Some knucklehead tried to dis
'Cause his girls are on my list
He had game but he chose to hit 'em
And I pull up quick to get wit 'em
So ladies, if the butt is round,
And you want a triple X throw down,
Dial 1-900-MIXALOT
And kick them nasty thoughts
Baby got back!

:confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, so unecessary.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Haha, so unecessary.You just messed this page up :cmad:

[hippy fascist]

let's see how many pages we can go in this thread with absolutely no mention of "the numerical comic"...

[Colossal Spoons]

let's see how many pages we can go in this thread with absolutely no mention of "the numerical comic"...

Let's see how long it is until somebody complains about the off-topicness.

[hippy fascist]

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[Kebab gud]

Black Adam is CRAZY! ..........

ahh hell

LETS ALL GO NUTS!

[hippy fascist]

Black Adam is CRAZY! ..........

ahh hell

LETS ALL GO NUTS!


http://www.allfantasyart.com/photomanipulation/crazy_pilot.jpg
THIS THREAD IS NOW OFFICIALLY AWESOME!

[GoldenAgeHero]

damn this thread has hit an all new low.

[hippy fascist]

damn this thread has hit an all new low.

at the exact moment that you entered it...

[GoldenAgeHero]

at the exact moment that you entered it...


and your stinch is continuing it

[hippy fascist]

and your stinch is continuing it

what exactly is a stinch?

:huh:

[Kebab gud]

what exactly is a stinch?

:huh:

its a ..... PARTY!

[GoldenAgeHero]

its a ..... PARTY!


lawl

[Mee]

I Don't Know What We're Shouting About!

[Fledermaus]

I can't control the size of my font! It's a disease and you shouldn't ostracize me for it!

[Binker]

Was this posted already?

A Call to Arms
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9135/worldwariiicv1cic9.jpg

The Valiant
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2900/worldwar3cvr2bqw3.jpg

Hell for Heroes
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2632/wwiii3cvrbzw1.jpg


United We Stand
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4766/wwiii4cvrayy3.jpg

[sethcohen]

loud Noises!

[Kebab gud]

Donna troy looks hawt in that costume... HOT!

[Binker]

So was this posted alread or not?

[Knives122]

I think it was.

But man, to think all that loud texting started all b/c of me posting a link. Semi-good times.

[Kebab gud]

yes it was!

[Anti-Moderator]

I hear that men who post in large fonts are trying to compensate for a small penis.....However, Sir Mix-a-Lot lyrics do not count.

[Colossal Spoons]

This fad has lost it's spark :o

[Kebab gud]

not as long as ollie is in the house
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG79J18koWM

[hippy fascist]

Spoons is a better ABM than ollie :o

[Sebastos]

I think this week's issue was great! I have to say, 52 has been Dc's best title so far. can't believe it's going to almost end.

[Colossal Spoons]

Spoons is a better ABM than ollie :o

I try :o

[BrianWilly]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105360

5.2 or SO WITH MICHAEL SIGLAIN ON 52 #45
So last week, Adam’s family was killed.

This week?

Adam returns the favor.

Completing his arc from bad guy to okay guy to likeable guy to nice guy to hurt guy back down to mother%#*@ing bad guy, Adam spent the better part of this week (after burying his dead wife and brother) getting his killin’ on in Bialya, where the surviving Horsemen…er, Horseman fled after Adam kicked all of their apocalyptic asses last week.

On the hunt for Death and out to punish the country for aiding the Horsemen, Adam killed Bialya. No – you read that right – he pretty much killed the country.

Oh – and he found out who sent the Horsemen. Folks on Oolong are changing their drawers right about now.

Let’s hit Editor Michael Siglain up with the questions…

Newsarama: To start at the beginning of Week 45, we open with the funeral. Why have no other heroes other than the Marvels come?

Michael Siglain: The funeral is for Isis and Osiris and the people of Kahndaq. The only outsiders present--Montoya and the Marvel Family--were not really outsiders at all, but friends of Isis. After everything they’ve gone through together, Montoya and the Marvels not only deserve to be there, but they want to be there, so that they can pay their respects and offer condolences to Black Adam.

Do you agree, extra special guest star Greg Rucka?

Greg Rucka: Yeah. How many people do you think he's letting in for a helping hand or moral support at this juncture? His good friends in the JSA, maybe? Or maybe he's wondering where the hell everyone else was while his country was being turned into salted deadlands and his brother-in-law and bride were being murdered.

NRAMA: Good point. So in terms of Bialya and Intergang, where is Mannheim when he see him talking to the Bialyan President? He's not on Oolong Island?

MS: Nope, Mannheim hasn’t left Gotham. Right, Greg?

GR: He’s in Gotham.

MS: See, and you thought I wasn’t being truthful...

NRAMA: As you’ve taught readers, nothing is to be taken for granted – that map beside Mannheim – the one with the big red circle on it. Any clues?

MS: It’s the map of--

GR: That would be a map of Gotham City, and saying more would be telling.

MS: Right. What he said.

NRAMA: So in short, Intergang betrayed Bialya, and left them for Black Adam to destroy?

MS: Actually, there has been a series of betrayals. Despite their promises, the President of Bialya was foolish enough to trust Mannheim and Intergang, and it cost him his life. As for the country itself, Bialya was always a means to an end for Intergang, though Intergang never expected that they were also being double-crossed.

NRAMA: In regards to the politics of the situation, would you say that what Black Adam does, that is, gives hot pursuit to a...for lack of a better word, terrorist, and attacks the forces of a country that was giving it aid and comfort - allegory for events in our world, or just telling a story in a world that's similar to ours, with likewise similar concerns and problems?

MS: I am going to have to pass the shoe on this one. Greg?

GR: I think I'm speaking for all of us when I say that we're interested in telling a good story. The reader can take from it whatever he or she likes. If they can successfully draw an inference to current events, sure, it's there. If they can successfully draw an inference to Roosevelt's New Deal establishing of the TVA, sure, it's there.

NRAMA: With this happening in the Middle East, why is China nervous?

GR: Oil. Escalation. Destabilization. Lack of oil. Next?

MS: Ditto what Greg said. And see Week 47 for some more answers to that question.

NRAMA: Going back to what Greg mentioned about the JSA’s lack of involvement - Alan's comments about knowing what Adam can do better than anyone. Is there, or will there be guilt on Alan or the JSA's part for this, and what is to come? Could the JSA - his onetime friends have talked him down, or was he too far gone, at that point?

MS: I think Alan already feels guilty over what has happened, and it’s this incident, combined with what happened back at Thanksgiving time with Infinity, Inc. (see Week 29), that’s making Alan rethink both his and the JSA’s place in the world. More on this next week, gang.

NRAMA: Okay – moving over to Belle Reeve - c'mon - even 100 members of a Suicide Squad to stop Adam? Does Waller really think that even that would have a chance of stopping Adam, or is she just throwing bodies at him to slow him down, knowing that, if she could find 100 villains to stand against Adam, she'd have a field with 100 corpses rather quickly.

MS: Waller knows that she’d need at least 100 members on her team to even consider going up against a rage-filled and fully-powered Black Adam. But yeah - I don’t think she particularly cares if all 100 come back alive, or in body bags.

NRAMA: By Day 5 - Adam is still killing innocent people. In his mind, is this just and equal payment for the millions of dead in Kahndaq?

MS: By Day 5 Black Adam has officially snapped, and has gone on the warpath, killing everyone and laying waste to the countryside until he finds Death.

NRAMA: Touching upon the guilt angle again - he's had what, the better part of two days to decimate Bialya. Why has no one stepped in? Were all the heroes' hands tied by politics? After all, there was no more "Bialya" after say, 12 hours, to oppose heroes of other nations coming in... the idea of the JSA and other heroes by doing nothing, "letting" Adam do this kind of leaves a bitter taste in the mouth...

MS: Politics and red tape prevented any outside help from interfering, but as we’ll see, the JSA didn’t just “let” Black Adam go on a rampage.

NRAMA: Even though you said he snapped - Adam crying at the bottom of that page. Is that his first real tears in all of this?

MS: No, not at all. Black Adam has already shed tears for the loss of his wife.

NRAMA: Back over to China - the Chinese government intended for Black Adam to die? Why?

GR: Let me take this one, Mike. Three words: Wait. And. See.

NRAMA: Even with that – they’re making preparations. Are they expecting Black Adam, and the resultant battle to come to them?

MS: Perhaps...possibly for reasons that have yet to be revealed. Or perhaps not.

NRAMA: Capturing Death - there will be those that claim the injury to Death was easily inflicted, but just to remind everyone - those aren't just regular bolts of lighting that hit the Marvel family, are they?

MS: Black Adam has the power of the Gods on his side, and when he calls down the lightning, Death doesn’t stand a chance.

NRAMA: Got it. So – timelining it - the "night" Adam was speaking of using to kill Death was Day 6's night, and now, Day 7 am, he's at Oolong?

MS: That’s exactly right! You’re like a Swiss watch...

NRAMA: Touching again on a common theme - the world has, clearly, gone to hell. Superman and Wonder Woman - who stand the best shot at stopping this, are nowhere to be found. Could one assume that if they were still there, the world wouldn't have gone to hell like this?

MS: Let’s bring Mr. Rucka back for one last question, shall we? Want to take this one, Greg?

GR: One can certainly conclude that Bialya wouldn't be a smoldering glass-encrusted crater, yes.

NRAMA: And one last - so we don't lose sight of it in all of this - Intergang was so angry at Black Adam because of what - he wouldn't let them come into his country, way back in the early issues?

MS: When you strip everything else away, Black Adam wouldn’t play ball with Intergang, and now Intergang is taking their revenge. Black Adam refused to be connected with Intergang, and that good decision has, ultimately, cost him everything—his love, his family, his country and quite possibly, his very life.

NRAMA: Safe to say there’s some Intergang-directed payback coming?

MS: To borrow Greg’s answer: wait and see.

NRAMA: Fair enough. And over to you for the teases for next week...

MS: All right, gang. It was a slam bang week in 52 land, what with Black Adam going ballistic, but this is just the beginning. Now that Black Adam knows where the Four Horsemen came from, he’s off to see the wizard! Or, in this case, the mad scientists on Oolong Island. Want proof? Then check out this ridiculously cool cover from J.G. and Alex, as well as a couple of preview pages:

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MS: It’s Black Adam vs the Mad Scientists of Oolong Island, and it’s gonna be good! Plus, we get a visit from Clark Kent and the JSA, and the Origin of Batman from Andy Kubert! You don’t want to miss next week, gang.

But in case you want a little more, let me leave you with these parting words: “We thought you died, you murdering waste of carbon!” Huh. Guess someone’s back from the dead next week. Until next week, “try to enjoy the daylight.”

[SpideyInATree]

Because they want prop up another lesbian hero..... it's envogue now. Didn't you know?? :dry:

I'm not supporting that crap.

But what I don't get about it is that it's not like Montoya was a brand new character created just for 52. She was already an established character over in Gotham Central, and I'm guessing she did some heroic things...you know being a cop and all. So, technically she was already a lesbian hero so basically all they accomplished, in my view, was needlessly killing off a character so that another character could have a costume instead of plain clothes. Which is...dumb.

But anyhoo...the latest week was all right. I'm starting to get a little bored with 52 now. I mean Black Adam is cool but everytime I look at him I think he's Namor, hahaha. Sorry it's just the Marvel Comics Group in me. But it was cool to see Black Adam palm that Montoya ****s face. He SHOULD have killed her so that Sage could be reincarnated and take back his mantle...

Damnit.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm not down with Renee as the Question. Part of the reason I liked her was because she was a normal cop confronting all the abnormalities of the DC universe. That's what made Gotham Central so great. Now Cris is the Spectre, Montoya's the Question, and the rest of them have been replaced by Jim Gordon and Harvey Bullock, who are apparently all the police force Gotham will ever need.

[Darthphere]

Vic Sage is The Question, I'm sorry, thats just a fact. Characters like The Question were never meant to be legacy heroes, especially in such a half ass ****ty way.

[Kitsune]

But what I don't get about it is that it's not like Montoya was a brand new character created just for 52. She was already an established character over in Gotham Central, and I'm guessing she did some heroic things...you know being a cop and all. So, technically she was already a lesbian hero so basically all they accomplished, in my view, was needlessly killing off a character so that another character could have a costume instead of plain clothes. Which is...dumb.

But anyhoo...the latest week was all right. I'm starting to get a little bored with 52 now. I mean Black Adam is cool but everytime I look at him I think he's Namor, hahaha. Sorry it's just the Marvel Comics Group in me. But it was cool to see Black Adam palm that Montoya ****s face. He SHOULD have killed her so that Sage could be reincarnated and take back his mantle...

Damnit.
Killing of a character, so another character can take the identity? DC would never do that.

[Purple Man]

Vic Sage is The Question, I'm sorry, thats just a fact. Characters like The Question were never meant to be legacy heroes, especially in such a half ass ****ty way.

Hell, Question was never meant to be a DC character, but they bought him along with all the other Charleton characters. Break Judomasters spine, make Captain Atom into Monarch, kill Peacemaker.

While Vic had some mileage left in him, there's no story that needed Vic and can't be told using Renee. If you can actually hear clear thoughts over all your whining, you will notice that Renee his actually more accessible.

History with Gotham and the GCPD could put her center stage in the going ons of Gotham. Vic was great and all, but Gotham carries more weight than Hub.

While I'm sorry to see him go, it will be an interesting journey to see Renee fill her new role.

Seriously, what kind of idiot do you have to be to not realize that 52 has passed through the hands of Johns, Rucka, Waid, Morrison, and Giffen, and none of them had a strong enough opposition to the idea to keep it from going through. The story in 52 and whatever happens with Renee as the Question obviously has more potential than playing the same ol' Question game with Vic.

Vic was an awesome character and it won't be the same with a female under the faceless mask, but I'll learn to cope and appreciate Montoya. She was always a strong supporting character, and I'm glad she's given this great opportunity to shine.

I've tried to explain this the best I could. It's a good thing, not bad. But if you're still going to belly ache about it, quote the Giffen "bite me, fanboy" nevermore.

[Kebab gud]

i just have to say .....

why do they always give Donna the best Wonder Woman costumes?
The one on the WW3 cover and the one she has in Wonder Woman..
Both are better than Diana's costume...

[BrianWilly]

Diana has no fashion sense.

[Kitsune]

Man I hope Dick isn't thinking of putting on his Robin costume. It's like Spider-Man Undroos... once you've outgrown them, you can't put them back on.

[BrianWilly]

We're meant to think that's Jason, I believe. WWIII is supposed to deal a little with why he became Nightwing for a while OYL.

[Kebab gud]

Man I hope Dick isn't thinking of putting on his Robin costume. It's like Spider-Man Undroos... once you've outgrown them, you can't put them back on.
Dick? .. thats Jason standing behind the robin costume

[The Question]

Hell, Question was never meant to be a DC character, but they bought him along with all the other Charleton characters. Break Judomasters spine, make Captain Atom into Monarch, kill Peacemaker.

While Vic had some mileage left in him, there's no story that needed Vic and can't be told using Renee. If you can actually hear clear thoughts over all your whining, you will notice that Renee his actually more accessible.

History with Gotham and the GCPD could put her center stage in the going ons of Gotham. Vic was great and all, but Gotham carries more weight than Hub.

While I'm sorry to see him go, it will be an interesting journey to see Renee fill her new role.

Seriously, what kind of idiot do you have to be to not realize that 52 has passed through the hands of Johns, Rucka, Waid, Morrison, and Giffen, and none of them had a strong enough opposition to the idea to keep it from going through. The story in 52 and whatever happens with Renee as the Question obviously has more potential than playing the same ol' Question game with Vic.

Vic was an awesome character and it won't be the same with a female under the faceless mask, but I'll learn to cope and appreciate Montoya. She was always a strong supporting character, and I'm glad she's given this great opportunity to shine.

I've tried to explain this the best I could. It's a good thing, not bad. But if you're still going to belly ache about it, quote the Giffen "bite me, fanboy" nevermore.

The thing is, all of that could have been done without killing Vic. His death was completely pointless.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, don't bother trying to reason with Purple Man. He'll just dismiss everything as useless complaints or fanboy whining. Only the things put in print are capable of making sense to him.

[Purple Man]

Because that's what it usually is, but I always give credit when a fan makes a good point.

For example: Vic didn't need to die. That is very true. But things would be very different if he were still alive. Renee wouldn't be the Question now. Which to most people would be considered a good thing. Looking at the larger picture though 52 was a grand swan song for him. To me, Sage and Montoya had great chemistry together. If Vic had his own series, Renee would definitly be his largest supporting characters.

But 52 went where it did. They decided that the role of the Question would have more possibilities with Renee under the mask, and the only way to get her to put the damn thing on would be to hono Vic who took her through this amazing journey over the course of almost a year.

To be entirely honest, I never cared for Greg Rucka until 52 and within the context of the book, Vics death was done with dignity and grace. No corpse was ever actually shown so we may see him back one day. Maybe he crossed over to the mystic side and will become a literal spirit guide to Montoya.

Nobody needs to die in comic books, but when done tastefully it makes a compelling read.

Vic Sage along with Ted Kord and Sue Dibney will all be missed because they were great characters in their own rights, but sometimes sacrifices are made for the sake of story and I believe at least in their cases were done for the greater good.

Sometimes you just gotta deal with it. I'd be a fool for not admitting that comic companies have made some major mistakes in the past, but the death of Vic sage isn't one of them. If you want to be upset over someones death, I'd turn my attention to Isis, but of course in the coming weeks the story of Black Adam will justify the loss of a character with some serious potential.

[Darthphere]

No, you are a fool. Fact. And all that is subjective anyway.

[The Question]

Because that's what it usually is, but I always give credit when a fan makes a good point.

For example: Vic didn't need to die. That is very true. But things would be very different if he were still alive. Renee wouldn't be the Question now. Which to most people would be considered a good thing. Looking at the larger picture though 52 was a grand swan song for him. To me, Sage and Montoya had great chemistry together. If Vic had his own series, Renee would definitly be his largest supporting characters.

But 52 went where it did. They decided that the role of the Question would have more possibilities with Renee under the mask, and the only way to get her to put the damn thing on would be to hono Vic who took her through this amazing journey over the course of almost a year.

To be entirely honest, I never cared for Greg Rucka until 52 and within the context of the book, Vics death was done with dignity and grace. No corpse was ever actually shown so we may see him back one day. Maybe he crossed over to the mystic side and will become a literal spirit guide to Montoya.

Nobody needs to die in comic books, but when done tastefully it makes a compelling read.

Vic Sage along with Ted Kord and Sue Dibney will all be missed because they were great characters in their own rights, but sometimes sacrifices are made for the sake of story and I believe at least in their cases were done for the greater good.

Sometimes you just gotta deal with it. I'd be a fool for not admitting that comic companies have made some major mistakes in the past, but the death of Vic sage isn't one of them. If you want to be upset over someones death, I'd turn my attention to Isis, but of course in the coming weeks the story of Black Adam will justify the loss of a character with some serious potential.

Bull****. There was absolutely no need to have Montoya put on any kind of mask. It doesn't add anything to the character. They could have simply given Renee a solo series. Vic's death was completely meaningless.

[batnkevlar]

Quite true... the death of Vic was tastefully done, but shouldn't have happened in the first place... I mean, if Vic were to die, then this would be it, be he didn't have to... Renee was a great character even on TAS, and she didn't have a mask in that...

[The Question]

Also, his death didn't make much sense. I did the math. His DC series took place over quasi real time, taking place over three years. He quit smoking in issue two. And his apearance in the Huntress mini series was three years after the end of his solo series. So, it's been six years in continuity since he last smoked.

[BrianWilly]

I'm...not sure you need to keep on smoking right up to the cancer manifesting in order for the cancer to manifest.

[The Question]

I'm...not sure you need to keep on smoking right up to the cancer manifesting in order for the cancer to manifest.

True. But I'm not sure it's very likely for cancer to develope six years after one has quite smoking.

[BrianWilly]

Depends on how long he was smoking before, and how frequently. Each puff is a risk increase. Quitting helps, but not as much as the damage that's already been done.

[sinewave]

montoya was on a downward spiral since crispus allen died and i liked the part of the story that had her falling under vic and richard dragon's tutelage to help her regain her senses and get her life back on track, so i'm not pissed that she's the new question because it was a logical progression to fix a broken character who wants to pay homage to a dear friend. however, i still don't like that they had to kill vic. i would have preferred he just retire or take her on as a partner. they could have setup a private detective agency, sort of like in x-factor, and had both of them running around solving strange mysteries and fighting crime as a team. that way vic could remain the question with montoya acting as his plain-clothes partner and eventual replacement when vic decides to retire. it would have been a slower, smoother transition than killing off vic with some out-of-the-blue illness and installing montoya as his successor in a rushed fashion.

[Purple Man]

Seeing what happens to a loved one with lung cancer, it was heartbreaking to see Vics demise, but I liked it better than him sacrificing himself or getting outright murdered by some super villain.

You guys are getting all pissy with me like it doesn't bother me that Vic is gone. I hate to see him go as well, but ***** happens. People die and when it serves a story I know when to back off and say "At least it was done with respect"

Save your anger, tears and candlelight vigils for someone that deserves it. These are just comic book characters. Their legacies will live on. It's nothing worth getting upset about. Montoya will preserve his memory.

And nobody besides myself has bothered to mention that we never saw his dead body. While I'm sure he's dead, but he's in Nanda Parbat. He's probably sleuthing around with Ralph and Sue Dibney in the afterlife. Think about it. What sort of case could deceased detectives be trying to solve. It might be leading up to something.

[WompuM]

anyone else pick up season 2 of JLU today and catch that the emerald eye of akron was in it? wild.

[Kebab gud]

wild? wassnt that the episode wen supergirl went to the future?
Emerald Empress has used the eye for a long time

[WompuM]

yeah, have never read legion. my bad.

[Anubis]

It's good to know where the Eye actually came from though. I thought that was cool when it I first saw Lobo with it.

[WompuM]

agreed

[TheDarkKnight_NL]

Dick? .. thats Jason standing behind the robin costume

yes it is Jason because in his right hand he is holding the red hood capsule/mask(?)

[Darthphere]

And nobody besides myself has bothered to mention that we never saw his dead body.

So him lying there in the snow with lifeless eyes wasn't enough for you?


Granted, it could be a ruse by Vic to have Renee complete her training, but for all intents and purposes, as of right now, he is dead.

[Mee]

The Question will never be dead, he lives in our hearts. :csad:

[sethcohen]

holy effing ess....
anyone else read this weeks ish yet?

[Anubis]

Nope

[Kebab gud]

It's good to know where the Eye actually came from though. I thought that was cool when it I first saw Lobo with it.
well we really only got more questions :P like i want to know more about the emerald head of akron :P

[Eros]

The Question will never be dead, he lives in our hearts. :csad:


Its a comic book death, they mean nothing anymore.

[Anubis]

well we really only got more questions :P like i want to know more about the emerald head of akron :P


Like wheres the Emerald toe of Akron. Or the Emerald Penis of Akron for that matter.

[yenaled]

He's a Green Lantern who enjoyed flying around in a big head to make himself look scarier.

He has to show up in GLC.

[Manhunter]

Bull****. There was absolutely no need to have Montoya put on any kind of mask. It doesn't add anything to the character. They could have simply given Renee a solo series. Vic's death was completely meaningless.

Pardon the intrusion, but Montoya does add something to the Question...



...lipstick lesbian heat.

[WompuM]

Is anyone else already annoyed that every time there's a secret reveal about a character, it just turns out that it's Everyman

[yenaled]

It's what he does, I like Everyman.

[Eros]

It's what he does, I like Everyman.


Hes DCs Ned Leeds, except he is who we think he isn't.

[batnkevlar]

Everyman's still alive?

[Knives122]

I find it incredibly amazing how they built up BA going to kill the scientists just to have him get a beat down from them

I've lost hope in you Black Adam: http://www.sendspace.com/file/d41qer

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, this issue was bit anti-climactic.

[batnkevlar]

Thanks Knives...

[BrianWilly]

52 Week 46
For the life of me, I don't understand why in the sphincter of hell no one apparently liked this issue. I really liked it. Great art. Great action. Hilarious dialogue from the scientists that was clearly done by Grant Morrison, Buffy bless his soul. An classic scene of Clark Kent being super even without powers. The JSA taking things into their own hands.

I don't understand why people were apparently under the impression that Adam would just blast into Oolong Island and kill everyone and yada he's so awesome the end. I've said it before, and I'll drone it again: in a battle of Black Adam vs The World, Black Adam is gonna lose. He's powerful, but the DCU is crammed to the brim with powers that are more than a match for him. One of those powers would apparently be mad scientists. And why not? Mad scientists fight the Justice League all the time and sometimes even stalemate them. Mad scientists are nothing to scoff at, particularly when you're pretty much the powers equivalent of Captain Marvel but, y'know, more pissed.

And actually, I was glad when they took Adam down (after wearing him down a lot), because it shows that the writers are going to make things a little less predictable and more interesting instead of REVENGE RAMPAGE MAGNETO. So Adam is now in the hands of Sivana. What does that mean? How's it going to play out? And what does Mr. Mind have to do with it? I'm looking very, very forward.

(9 out of 10)

[BrianWilly]

Also, I just noticed that Sivana said Black Adam has the power of seven gods. Uh, what? S...H...A...Z...A...M. That's...still six. Did Isis add her powers to him or something? Does he now say Shazami? Shazaim?

:dry:

[The Question]

Probably just a slip o' th' toung.

[Memphis Slim]

52 Week 46
For the life of me, I don't understand why in the sphincter of hell no one apparently liked this issue. I really liked it. Great art. Great action. Hilarious dialogue from the scientists that was clearly done by Grant Morrison, Buffy bless his soul. An classic scene of Clark Kent being super even without powers. The JSA taking things into their own hands.

I don't understand why people were apparently under the impression that Adam would just blast into Oolong Island and kill everyone and yada he's so awesome the end. I've said it before, and I'll drone it again: in a battle of Black Adam vs The World, Black Adam is gonna lose. He's powerful, but the DCU is crammed to the brim with powers that are more than a match for him. One of those powers would apparently be mad scientists. And why not? Mad scientists fight the Justice League all the time and sometimes even stalemate them. Mad scientists are nothing to scoff at, particularly when you're pretty much the powers equivalent of Captain Marvel but, y'know, more pissed.

And actually, I was glad when they took Adam down (after wearing him down a lot), because it shows that the writers are going to make things a little less predictable and more interesting instead of REVENGE RAMPAGE MAGNETO. So Adam is now in the hands of Sivana. What does that mean? How's it going to play out? And what does Mr. Mind have to do with it? I'm looking very, very forward.

(9 out of 10)


Mr. Mind gets into Adam's head and makes him say the magic word. BOOM! Adam is normal....they kill him. :yay:

[Memphis Slim]

http://static.flickr.com/39/90300903_9ca9893307_o.jpg

Steve Ditko's Superman

Never seen him draw Supes before. Weird........:dry:

[Manhunter]

Mr. Mind gets into Adam's head and makes him say the magic word. BOOM! Adam is normal....they kill him. :yay:

I'm thinkin Mr. Mind gets in there and makes BA a pawn, much like Luthor did to Cap in KC. So far, BA's actions are somewhat redeemable, as a pawn he continues to be the bad guy we can identify with.

I know 2 million ppl is a lot, but I think us married guys can relate.

[Purple Man]

Yeah, this issue was bit anti-climactic.

Because there was no climax. After a few issues of Adam rampaging, it was time he got a beat down by a bunch of psychotic geniuses.

Brains over brawn and all that.

[batnkevlar]

Technically, that was a climax...

[BrianWilly]

It's not a climax or an anti-climax, it's the lead-in to the next issue. Geez people, you do realize that the story doesn't actually end on week 46?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dude. Climax's tend to happen before the end of the story. Usually from the middle to about three quarters of the way through. O.o It's not always the last page. Then there's the denouement, THEN the conclusion.

[BrianWilly]

There are still ten more issues of this book, counting tie-ins. Call me old-fashioned, I just don't think "What, that's it?" is a very logical reaction at this point in time.

Seriously, did everyone just actually expect Adam to go in and kill everyone and then the story ends?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dude, ten out of fifty two, that's like less than twenty percent of the run left. They're probably going to start the denouement phase, and lead into the next event smoothly. It's not Black Adam kills everybody, story ends.

[Eros]

Dude, ten out of fifty two, that's like less than twenty percent of the run left. They're probably going to start the denouement phase, and lead into the next event smoothly. It's not Black Adam kills everybody, story ends.


That would make a cool story.

[BrianWilly]

Dude, ten out of fifty two, that's like less than twenty percent of the run left. They're probably going to start the denouement phase, and lead into the next event smoothly. It's not Black Adam kills everybody, story ends.Ten issues of denouements? World War III hasn't even started yet. You can't ratio a weekly comic in the same way as a monthly one.

[Eros]

Here we go again........

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ten issues of denouements? World War III hasn't even started yet. You can't ratio a weekly comic in the same way as a monthly one.

Since they have like eight story lines to tie up and finish in ten issues, I can actually kind of see them doing that. Or else you're going to have a climax, and only a few issues to resolve everything. A climax doesn't have to be butt humping the end of the story for it to be good.

And I can ratio what I want!! :cmad:

[BrianWilly]

frikkgah hype lock mofo slowness forum why won't you load.

I forgot what I was going to say. Something about week fifty, where WW3 actually happens. Just pretend I said something smart. Yes, I know. Pretend.

[Fledermaus]

Personally speaking, after I climax, the story is over.

[yenaled]

I LOVED this issue. It was insane, hilarious and full of crazy scientists with crazy weapons.

Riotous.

[Colossal Spoons]

*riots*


:p

[Colossal Spoons]

There are still ten more issues of this book, counting tie-ins. Call me old-fashioned, I just don't think "What, that's it?" is a very logical reaction at this point in time.

Seriously, did everyone just actually expect Adam to go in and kill everyone and then the story ends?

I just expected a more drawn out fight between BA and the scientists. He got taken down in less panels than it took Supes to rip that Starro off that guy's head in JLA a few months back.

[sethcohen]

I just expected a more drawn out fight between BA and the scientists. He got taken down in less panels than it took Supes to rip that Starro off that guy's head in JLA a few months back.

haha, you just pwnd brad meltzer! hahaha
good

[Purple Man]

I'm glad to see that the mad scientists got their moment of glory.

I also liked the effect of Black Adam flying through the rain. You don't see that very often. Kinda reminded me of Matrix Revolutions.

52!

[Memphis Slim]

I'm glad to see that the mad scientists got their moment of glory.

I also liked the effect of Black Adam flying through the rain. You don't see that very often. Kinda reminded me of Matrix Revolutions.

52!


I agree! I kept hearing that 80's Thomas Dolby song in my head while reading this issue!

SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!
http://forum.thomasdolby.com/images/avatars/1906965091443ea2a9005fb.jpg

http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/about/music/videos/SheBlindedMeWithScience.jpg


A GREAT ISSUE. I love to see brains over brawn!

[Darthphere]

I just expected a more drawn out fight between BA and the scientists. He got taken down in less panels than it took Supes to rip that Starro off that guy's head in JLA a few months back.

It was his neck.:o

[Darthphere]

A GREAT ISSUE. I love to see brains over brawn!

Since when?:huh: :huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

It was his neck.:o

What would I do w/o you? :heart:

[Memphis Slim]

What would I do w/o you? :heart:
Much better... :yay:

[Darthphere]

What would I do w/o you? :heart:

Probably the same thing you do now.:huh:

[BrianWilly]

5.2 ABOUT 52 #46 WITH EDITOR MICHAEL SIGLAIN

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Aaaaand…just like that, Black Adam’s plans of revenge come to a screeching halt.

This week, after killing Bialya, Adam set his sights on Oolong Island, the home of the cabal of mad scientists who created the Horsemen for Intergang. He busts through the supposedly invulnerable defense shield (hope they have the receipt) and thinks it will be a bloody, bloody cakewalk, and then – T.O. Morrow lays him low with something no bigger than a television remote.

Oh, and Luthor – the real Luthor – was caught. And Atom Smasher re-upped with the JSA.

As we do every week, it’s time to hit up Editor Michael Siglain for the inside information.

Michael Siglain: All right, gang. I’m knee-deep in pages from week 51, so the answers are going to be short and sweet this week. Here we go!

Newsarama: Egg Fu seems to be taking Adam's incursion rather poorly. How could he oversee all this planning, and not consider than Adam might come back at 'em? Overconfidence?

MS: Complete overconfidence. Egg-Fu has the greatest scientific minds on the planet at his command. He’s surrounded by evil geniuses who have built weapons and defenses that would keep the JLA and JSA out of their compound.

NRAMA: Not to mention, he’s already cracked…

MS: There’s that too.

NRAMA: The dreams that Cale talks about – “they loosed demons upon the world that already walk among us.” Back that bus up - is she talking about things we've seen, or things yet to be revealed?

MS: Both. Cale speaks of the Four Horsemen, and of other entities that have yet be revealed. Incidentally, these other “demons” might be found outside of 52.

NRAMA: Did Cale and Magnus actually do the nasty?

MS: Yes. In fact, that’s exactly how it’s described in the script: “Cale and Magnus do the nasty.”

NRAMA: After getting going on all of this due to his family being killed, why does Adam completely ignore Cale and her confession? Is it the rage? Is the rage in control? Is he addicted to rageohol?

MS: Adam’s not really a ragoholic (thought I’d miss that Simpsons reference?) here. Black Adam has bigger fish to fish and doesn’t need to take even one extra second to stop and kill Cale. She’s a gnat to him.

NRAMA: You know, if Morrow can kick Black Adam's ass so easily, why doesn't he do better against the JLA?

MS: Three reasons: Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

NRAMA: Where are Will's Metal Men in all of this?

MS: Keep reading!

NRAMA: With this Marvel on Marvel violence we're seeing...again - when will we see Mr. Mind – or whatever he’s become?

MS: Perhaps you’ve already seen him.

NRAMA: Back to Metropolis - when did the Lex/Everyman switcheroo occur? The last time we saw the two, neither was too healthy. When was either left alone long enough for the plan to work?

MS: Between weeks 40 and 46. Next question!

NRAMA: But…

MS: Next question!

NRAMA: Back in Bialya - on Day Four? Again, touching upon what was mentioned last week, what took the JSA so long to get there?

MS: They were stuck in customs.

NRAMA: Ah – the smell of Siglain editor mannequins being burned in effigy will fill the internet for that one…so finally then, Atom Smasher wants back on the JSA, and yet, he's not on the team OYL...and hasn't been seen. Bad juju ahead?

MS: Atom Smasher is involved in certain events that lead into WWIII so, yes, I’d say there’s some bad juju ahead.

NRAMA: Okay Mr. Harried and Hectic, over to you for the tease...

MS: Let’s not waste any time and get to the good stuff — the cover to week 47 by J.G. and Alex!

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week46/52_47_cv.jpg

MS: As you can see, the Crime Bible returns, as does a mysterious and vaguely Apokoliptian dagger. Looks like Batwoman is in trouble. Let’s check in on her and find out:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week46/52_47_14.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week46/52_47_15.jpg

MS: Well, that can’t be good for Batwoman. Let’s see what’s happening in Nanda Parbat...

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week46/52_47_02.jpg

MS: All right, gang. That’s it for me. I’m off to finish up WWIII, but before I go, here’s another little ditty for your reading pleasure: “Each device tears into the flesh of the city, igniting everything it touches. By dawn, a pit of fire will roar at your city’s heart.” Guess things are about to heat up. Sorry, couldn’t resist. See you next week, gang!I can't read a bloody thing in that preview:cmad:. So I've decided that Wonder Woman's going to get it on with Tim, and that last panel is him freaking out at her mangina. Most beautiful "woman," my sore ass.

[Darthphere]

I can't read a bloody thing in that preview:cmad:. So I've decided that Wonder Woman's going to get it on with Tim, and that last panel is him freaking out at her mangina. Most beautiful "woman," my sore ass.

Sounds about right. I actually think Bruce has been hiding out in her vagina actually.

[SpideyInATree]

The latest week was all right. This series has been intensely slipping over the past few weeks. Though I did enjoy Black Adam. I figured he was going to fly in there and take everyone out but it turns out he got his ass beat by a bunch of nerds. BRILLIANT~!

And was it me or did Will Magnus get laid? Or was I just reading too much into it?

[Kebab gud]

he totaly got to tap that ass...

[SpideyInATree]

Ok, so it wasn't just me. They show Black Adam rip a guy in half. They show decapitations and all kinds of insane violence but they just freakin' SKIP the Will Magnus sex scene. Meh. Oh well.

At least someone around here is getting laid by hot blonde women. Fictional character aside. :o

[sinewave]

looks like batwoman bites it. i hope the same doesn't happen to atom smasher.

[yenaled]

Atom Smasher looks like he's going to bite it in WWIII.

[Kebab gud]

looks like batwoman bites it. i hope the same doesn't happen to atom smasher.

by all acounts batwoman survives 52.. it would be stupid to rivive a character like that only to kill her :P

[yenaled]

by all acounts batwoman survives 52.. it would be stupid to rivive a character like that only to kill her :P

Isis? Super Chief?

[Kebab gud]

Batwoman was even on the cover of JLA #1

[GoldenAgeHero]

she was?

[Kebab gud]

yes she was....... on the original cover.. the one that had Ollie where Roy was, and had John Stewart in the middle.. and had Karatekid in the back with a flag...

[GoldenAgeHero]

alrighty, but that was just a cover it really does'nt mean anything for batwoman.

[Kebab gud]

dossnt mean anything at all.. i was wrong... :/
http://edbenesart.com/images/Color/JLAPromo.jpg
then where the hell did i see her post-OYL ?

PS: the guys up front are like a wet-dream team :P the big 3 , TWO! lanterns, the lovebirds and a Flash :P

[Eros]

get us a scan.

[Kebab gud]

scan of what?

ohh batwoman was in the INFINITE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL.. and ass Supes has power in it it must take place after 52! HA!

EDIT!: LOL! shes on the Cover of #1 .. not on the original Cover.. :P if you have JLA #1 then look up right next to the DC logo :P
https://www.gothamcentral.co.za/catalog/images/JLA_1_altcover.jpg

[Darthphere]

Nobody cares.

[trustyside-kick]

dossnt mean anything at all.. i was wrong... :/
http://edbenesart.com/images/Color/JLAPromo.jpg
then where the hell did i see her post-OYL ?

PS: the guys up front are like a wet-dream team :P the big 3 , TWO! lanterns, the lovebirds and a Flash :P

That picture isn't 100% accurate then if that is a OYL picture that made it out. I wouldn't know since I don't read the new JLA since I haven't heard the best things. But one of the first problems I see with that picture is The Question being Vic. Unless he doesn't actually die that picture would be innacurate. Another big problem is Aquaman in that picture.

[Kebab gud]

looks like Vic has boobs to me...
and it has Elongated man...

[Mee]

looks like Vic has boobs to me...

:dry:

He doesn't have em.

[Kebab gud]

im just sayin.. i see some shadows there..

[WompuM]

where's the other half to that cover?

[Kebab gud]

Cant find any larger
http://static.flickr.com/64/227583085_1859e79abc_o.jpg

[Laplace_Zombie]

Hadn't noticed them mofos edited Booster out.

[Kebab gud]

and KarateKid..

[Horseman Gambit]

And Adam Strange and Animal Man, prolly trying to limit spoilers, but why then ADD Batwoman?

[yenaled]

They also have Kyle with full-face mask, meaning it is Alexander Nero.

So doesn't really mean anything.

[GoldenAgeHero]

alexander who?

[Darthphere]

Google is your friend.

[Mee]

Unless you cheat on her with Yahoo. :csad:

[Kebab gud]

yeah but Yahoo is a whore..! SKANK!

[Knives122]

No one cares about yahoo anymore.

Now what can I say about this weeks ch. that's actually worth mentioning.
-Animal man has a star wars moment.
- nightwing is still badass
- batman comes out of his hole in the mountain and there is for some reason a magical bat shadow behind him....

yeah..............: http://www.sendspace.com/file/otkadw

[Memphis Slim]

What is Sivana doing to Black Adam?? :wow: Is that why he has those red eyes in this picture???

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9135/worldwariiicv1cic9.jpg

[Darthphere]

No one cares about yahoo anymore.

Now what can I say about this weeks ch. that's actually worth mentioning.
-Animal man has a star wars moment.
- nightwing is still badass
- batman comes out of his hole in the mountain and there is for some reason a magical bat shadow behind him....

yeah..............: http://www.sendspace.com/file/otkadw

Why do you keep posting illegal comic downloads? Are you purposefully trying to bankrupt your local comic book store?

[Manic]

Not to mention get the Hype in trouble...

[Kebab gud]

Batman's back *****es! or BBB!

[batnkevlar]

My local comic book store kicked me out... they told me "this isn't a library"... so yeah, **** them...