The Official '52' Thread

[BrianWilly]

Nope, not all of them. I just said "Christ," didn't I? http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-woop.gif

http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-eng101.gif Identity Crisis led to IC, but no one treats it like the same thing. I'm still right: if one had read IC with a big stiffy for multiverses and continuity fixes and New Earths or whatever, well, it's no wonder one wouldn't have liked it. One would have missed the point entirely which -- without boring one with big long wordy bunk that one wouldn't be interested in -- was far more about the characters and the state of being a hero. One might say to one another.

[hippy fascist]

you mean this one? :o

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[hippy fascist]

Nope, not all of them. I just said "Christ," didn't I? http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-woop.gif

http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-eng101.gif Identity Crisis led to IC, but no one treats it like the same thing. I'm still right: if one had read IC with a big stiffy for multiverses and continuity fixes and New Earths or whatever, well, it's no wonder one wouldn't have liked it. One would have missed the point entirely which -- without boring one with big long wordy bunk that one wouldn't be interested in -- was far more about the characters and the state of being a hero. One might say to one another.


in terms of dc continuity Identity crisis occured weeks/months before IC. 52 picks up on the day after the crisis ended. CONNECTED :o

[BrianWilly]

Yeah. For retards.

LMAO

[BrianWilly]

Actually, when you think about it, Identity Crisis occurred immediately before Countdown to Infinite Crisis, which occurred immediately before the four IC tie-ins, which occurs immediately before IC.

I'M RITE AGAIN.
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[Darthphere]

Nope, not all of them. I just said "Christ," didn't I? http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-woop.gif

http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-eng101.gif Identity Crisis led to IC, but no one treats it like the same thing. I'm still right: if one had read IC with a big stiffy for multiverses and continuity fixes and New Earths or whatever, well, it's no wonder one wouldn't have liked it. One would have missed the point entirely which -- without boring one with big long wordy bunk that one wouldn't be interested in -- was far more about the characters and the state of being a hero. One might say to one another.

What you're trying to argue is the same thing if I said "Oh The Initiative has nothing to do with Civil War"

Hippy post it again.

[hippy fascist]

Actually, when you think about it, Identity Crisis occurred immediately before Countdown to Infinite Crisis, which occurred immediately before the four IC tie-ins, which occurs immediately before IC.

I'M RITE AGAIN.
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Countdown was an event unto itself. Just as road to civil war was. Not part of the actual event. It in fact serves as a buffer between the two proving once and for all how wrong you are :o

Honestly, it's like saying siblings are the same as cousins :hyper:

[hippy fascist]

What you're trying to argue is the same thing if I said "Oh The Initiative has nothing to do with Civil War"

Hippy post it again.

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[Darthphere]

That wasn't it.

[BrianWilly]

Doubled

[BrianWilly]

Puppies!
What you're trying to argue is the same thing if I said "Oh The Initiative has nothing to do with Civil War"What I'm saying is that the Initiative is not Civil War. Well, that, and also that people who thought the point of IC was to bring back the multiverse or fix continuity or whatever are losers with no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.

:D

Seriously, that's like saying the point of Civil War was to kill Captain America.
Countdown was an event unto itself. Just as road to civil war was. Not part of the actual event. It in fact serves as a buffer between the two proving once and for all how wrong you are :o

Honestly, it's like saying siblings are the same as cousins :hyper:
Infinite Crisis was an event unto itself. Just as road to Civil War was. Not part of 52.

Honestly, it's like saying siblings are the same as cousins :hyper:

[Darthphere]

Oh BrianWilly, poor poor man.

[BrianWilly]

You should read my edited post, too! It's much more what I meant to say.

[Darthphere]

BrianWilly, stop editing your posts every 2 minutes, its not helping your case.

[WompuM]

there was some flex time in between IdC and Countdown to IC. Because after IdC and before Countdown, there was GL: Rebirth.

It was a 4 month period maybe. unlike the initiative which immediatley followed civil war.

[BrianWilly]

Nope!

If every book in DC continuity is taken into account, then the span between Identity Crisis and Countdown to Infinite Crisis is less than a single month (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/soapbox/images/Count.xls), around the same span between Civil War and the Initative. It literally has to be, for the titles to make sense.

Comic book time. Don'cha luvit!

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/soapbox/113821636757544.htm

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Being right helps my case.

[BrianWilly]

Incidentally, the entirety of GL: Rebirth happens in less than a day. It could have happened at any point after Identity Crisis; it doesn't even require a week's span, much less four months.

[WompuM]

I was meaning four months our time. What's the point of this arguemetn again?

[The Leaguer]

I don't think there is one. BrianWilly seems to think that it's important to establish again what was established ages ago even though it doesn't really matter, and the others think it's important to make that as difficult for him as they possibly can without actually making a point of their own.

[WompuM]

Wait, if that's the case I think I've read this thread already.

[Kebab gud]

#52 made my head hurt...

[cerealkiller182]

LOL Batwoman survived HAHAHA Thats lame!

So will Countdown be directly connected to 52? Referring to Starfire, Lobo, and Neron and Faust who seemed to have cliffhanger endings.

[sethcohen]

why did montoya look so butch as the question at the end...

[Darthphere]

Because she's a lesbian.

[TheCorpulent1]

Lesbians are 32% more man-shaped than other women (barring fat women, who are amorphous).

[Jason Blood]

I was disappointed with the final issue really.

The big secret would have been a lot better if they didn't tell us in frickin issue 37.

[Kebab gud]

Not really a part of 52 but still related to 52
From Wizard

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/004446/BoosterGold1.jpg
Someone’s planning to destroy Superman, Batman and the rest of the Justice League, and only Booster Gold, the biggest dunce in the DCU, can stop it—but no one can know it was him.

Superstar writer Geoff Johns (Green Lantern) teams with New Line Cinema Executive Producer Jeff Katz (“Snakes on a Plane”) to co-write the July-shipping Booster Gold, a time-traveling, space-unraveling new series that secretly shoots the formerly fumbling hero into the big leagues. Along for the ride is artist Dan Jurgens, who created the character in the original 1986 Booster Gold series. But from the first issue, Johns wants one thing clear: This is no Booster you’ve seen before.

“The whole point of the book is to create a very unique character in the DC Universe,” says Johns. “And Booster, because of all the time-traveling villains who could go back and destroy him when he was 2 years old or erase his family lineage, has to go down in history as a complete moron.”

To dodge that danger and secretly act as the greatest hero in the history of the DCU (literally), Booster decides to embrace his image of ineptitude to fool his possible enemies. According to Katz, whose only past comics work can be found in the The Wicked West II anthology from Image Comics, Booster’s got a new modus operandi following the events of 52.

“The point of the book ultimately is to establish his domain as the timestream and the multiverse,” says Katz. “Whenever you have big timestream crossovers or, more important, big multiverse crossovers, in the future, Booster’s a guy that will make a lot of sense to be involved and play a big role. It gives him a big stage.”

But what’s up with the former time master, Rip Hunter? Oh, he’ll be along for the ride. Acting as a mentor to Booster, Hunter taps the blue-and-gold hero to act as lawman for all of time and space.

“Post-52, the timestream is malleable,” adds Katz. “As a result of that, you’ve got this sort of frontier land that, if someone were to take it and make it their own, there’s a ton of power in. Basically [Booster’s] got to be the sheriff of that.”

Policing the timestream can be a dangerous profession, though, as Rip Hunter explained in 52. Combating time-traveling villains can be tricky because they can simply go back in time and erase your past to destroy you—which is exactly what someone has in mind for the JLA.

“The first story is called ‘52 Pickup’ and [it’s] all about someone trying to prevent the origins of the world’s greatest heroes, and Booster Gold has to stop them,” says Johns. “It’s Booster doing exactly what he’s been doing—
saving everyone’s ass without anyone knowing it. Just like he was in Countdown to Infinite Crisis and OMAC Project, he’s at the center behind the scenes.”

Right away, look for Booster to meet up with some of the most recognizable faces from throughout DC’s history, including a mysterious figure wearing his one-time Supernova outfit. Issue #2 sees Booster team with Jonah Hex for a Wild West adventure, and in issue #3, the hero comes face to face with the greatest Green Lantern who ever lived—but it’s not who you’d expect.

“The cool thing is that he can team up with anyone in history—dead or alive,” gushes Johns. “Far future or in the past. It’s all about time travel, but it’s not like he teams up with Abraham Lincoln. He teams with the DC Universe.”

And for anyone afraid the book is simply a 52 spinoff, think again. The series could be the one DC title most connected to the next big event. “The book is the link between 52 and Countdown,” reveals Johns. “Our issues are building off 52 and through Countdown and into the big event Countdown ends with. It’s huge.”

[Darthphere]

Not buying it.

[BrianWilly]

Awww, Mr. Mind.

I'll pick it up, if only to see how the hell they're going to tackle Wonder Woman's origin and to whine endlessly like a btch when it doesn't conform to Perez's take.

[batnkevlar]

I actually liked the ending... it was really epic, I liked it...

and I liked how they explained what changed each of the 52 other worlds... which means there's 53 all together...

[Darthphere]

Awww, Mr. Mind.

I'll pick it up, if only to see how the hell they're going to tackle Wonder Woman's origin and to whine endlessly like a btch when it doesn't conform to Perez's take.

Indeed.

[The Question]

You know, I must say, I strongly disliked Mr. Mind's evolved form. He was just too cheesy and overdone. They seemed to try and make him look scary, but went so overboard with it that he looked ridiculous. And I still don't understand how eating time/space is the natural extension of being able to latch onto and overide a creature's central nervous system.

[Sebastos]

I so picking up the Booster Gold series, can't wait for that.

[WompuM]

Interesting that Monarch is from Earth 3 according to that cover.

[Sebastos]

Yeah I found that interesting too.

[SonOfCthulhu]

Interesting that Monarch is from Earth 3 according to that cover.

I thought that was Captain Atom in the armor?

[WompuM]

Potato potato.

[WompuM]

So who is more powerful, Mr. Mind or Anti-Monitor?

[cerealkiller182]

Wait, just realized something. What the hell did Booster do with Steel's rocket?

[GoldenAgeHero]

the new question sucks!!!!!!!!!

[WompuM]

That might have been back in the issue when he reveals himself to be supernova and uses all that tech to fight "skeets"

[BrianWilly]

You know, I must say, I strongly disliked Mr. Mind's evolved form. He was just too cheesy and overdone. They seemed to try and make him look scary, but went so overboard with it that he looked ridiculous. And I still don't understand how eating time/space is the natural extension of being able to latch onto and overide a creature's central nervous system.Sivana bombarded him with artificial time, if I recall correctly. It's not like he evolved naturally into that.
Interesting that Monarch is from Earth 3 according to that cover.I...don't think those numbers are showing what Earth those people are from. I mean, Guy Gardner's not from Earth-8, obviously.

[trustyside-kick]

One thing I liked about Week 52 was how when the world's that were originally copies of Earth 1 began to change. We saw a world for Kingdom Come, Charlton's characters, Wildcats, Earth 2, etc.

[The Question]

Sivana bombarded him with artificial time, if I recall correctly. It's not like he evolved naturally into that.

Ah. Makes about as much sense as artificial time itself. None, that is. But hey, they can't win 'em all.

[WompuM]

I think they defiantly coincide with which Earth's they are from. After all, it said it IC that Kye Rayner was from Earth 8, along with Jason Rausch. And the cards match there people and numbers. For example, the obvious Earth-2 Robin. The Earth 4 Question. And doesn't Monarch seem like and Earth 3 version of Capt. Atom, similar to the way that Owlman is the Earth 3 version of Batman?

But then again, it's just a cover.

[BrianWilly]

But then why is there a Superman on Earth-5 when Earth-5 is supposed to be the Fawcett universe? And if Guy Gardner is the Green Lantern from Earth-8 then how is Kyle Rayner the Green Lantern from Earth-8? And none of the Flashes are from the Question's Charltonverse.

There are more discrepancies than there are synchronizations.

[WompuM]

But we don't yet know the contents of these new Earths, such as the the idea of a Superman being on Earth 5, but we DO know that there is a male question on Earth 4. And we DO know that that version of Robin and Batman are from Earth 2.
So here's the scoop. I know for a fact that some of those card's numbers coincide with the charaters respected Earth #. For all you know there is a superman on Earth 5 and that Guy Gardner is from Earth 8. I think showing the character on a card with a number coinciding with its respected Earth number is the point of the whole God damn cover.
All I said was that I found it interesting that Monarch was from Earth 3.

[Assassin]

Loved the last issue.

Epic indeed :up:

[BrianWilly]

Doesn't make sense. The whole point of the Charlton and Fawcett comics universes is that traditional DC characters like Superman and Flash don't exist there.

In fact, we know that Guy Gardner is from Earth-1, not Earth-8, because he was already appearing in silver age stories pre-Crisis, which all took place on Earth-1. And Sinestro from Earth-7?? Sinestro needs to be from the exact same universe that Hal Jordan is from, Earth-1, because the Guardians and GL Corps do not exist in any other universe.

Like I said, more discrepancies than synchronizations.

[WompuM]

It had all the effects and feels of the original Crisis in just a few pages

[WompuM]

Except that it has been said that Kyle Rayner (you know, that new Green Lantern guy) is from Earth 8. And we don't know for sure that in this megaverse that Superman does not exsist on Earth 5 or not. Your argument is thin but there is no denying the symbolism of the cover is having the card numbers coincide with the Earth number.

[Fledermaus]

Isn't Breach the 'alternate universe' Captain Atom?

[BrianWilly]

Except that it has been said that Kyle Rayner (you know, that new Green Lantern guy) is from Earth 8. And we don't know for sure that in this megaverse that Superman does not exsist on Earth 5 or not. Your argument is thin but there is no denying the symbolism of the cover is having the card numbers coincide with the Earth number.Um, you're looking at a total of THREE NUMBERS out of thirteen and claiming that they set a precedence that the other ten don't. Heck, it might be only two numbers, considering we don't know which Batman that is. Nearly every other number on that page contradicts the rules that you've set in ways that I've already explained so, frankly, it looks to me like there's a lot denying the "symbolism of the cover."

We don't know for sure whether Superman exists on Earth 5...except that you're claiming you know for sure:dry:.

Kyle Rayner is from Earth-8, but he could not have been a member of the Green Lantern Corps in that universe. Most likely he was called Ion there or another GL equivalent like Alan Scott and the female Green Lantern from the tangent universe. Oa is the one planet that only exists in one universe; the Oan called Krona looked back into the beginning of time and that was what shattered the universe into the multiverse in the first place. That's part of its history right back to the silver age. Sinestro or Hal Jordan or Guy Gardner might exist in other universes other than Earth-1 but they could not be members of the Green Lantern Corps there, which they obviously are depicted as on the cover.

Morever, Geoff Johns has officially stated that Earth-8 is home to "all characters created after Crisis on Infinite Earths." Guy Gardner, as I've already said, was created before then.

Christ, I love being so right.

[batnkevlar]

Yeah, i agree with BrianWilly...

[WompuM]

There are 51 Earths that are exactly similar to New Earth in... what was that quote..... EVERY WAY. Now, how about you take out your handy issye of week 52 and look at the scene where Rip, Booster, an Nova are Earth jumping. Why it looks like there's a Green Lantern, from the GLC no less, on EARTH TWO. These Earths are exact replicas of New Earth in every single way. Including their cosmos. Part of that cosmos is Oa. It wasn't until Mr. Mind started eating out the megaverse that the changes came.Since he was altering the universes at the beginning of 52, that means the tangent GL you read about in ION was a result of mr. mind's modifications. So according to the story... there IS the definite possibility of a Guy Gardner green lantern on 8. There is a Sinestro on 7. There is a Superman on 5. God I love when you are so wrong.

But like I said, it's only a cover. All I said was that I thought it would be an interesting conept that Monarch is the Earth 3 version of Capt. Atom.

[Varient]

Don't u just Luv Comic fandom superhero Squabbles?

On topic:
52 of 52 was rushed.

I'm sorry but 52 would've ended better at 55 or so.

Also,...

Is DC now going to have a comic to showcase the other 51 universes?

Is Conner Kent going to come from one of them?

Is BatWoman really going to get back up after having a knife in her heart?

Interested non Squabbling Fan-persons want to know.

[WompuM]

Do you think Countdown deals with each Earth? That teaser pick with Red Robin, and the statue pf Liberty looks like it deals with tangent heroes/

[Ultimate_Superman]

All that matters to me is I don't get stories anymore where we have two Supermen running around and two Batman's running around. I just want them to stick with one earth and thats it.

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Is BatWoman really going to get back up after having a knife in her heart?
.

you read what the doctor said...
and if she had plans to rush back to work she whould have shown up in the other comics by now....
we will probebly see her soon in Coutdown or in a batman comic

[Cobblepot]

I'm confused...

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I'm confused...

about what? everything.. like me? (thou is doo understand it all.. i just dont get why they want the multiverse back)

[BrianWilly]

There are 51 Earths that are exactly similar to New Earth in... what was that quote..... EVERY WAY. Now, how about you take out your handy issye of week 52 and look at the scene where Rip, Booster, an Nova are Earth jumping. Why it looks like there's a Green Lantern, from the GLC no less, on EARTH TWO. These Earths are exact replicas of New Earth in every single way. Including their cosmos. Part of that cosmos is Oa. It wasn't until Mr. Mind started eating out the megaverse that the changes came.Since he was altering the universes at the beginning of 52, that means the tangent GL you read about in ION was a result of mr. mind's modifications. So according to the story... there IS the definite possibility of a Guy Gardner green lantern on 8. There is a Sinestro on 7. There is a Superman on 5. God I love when you are so wrong.Oh my goodness. Are you even aware that Alan Scott had nothing whatsoever to do with the Corps? And that the green woman standing there is his daughter, Jade, who also had nothing to do with the Corps? BECAUSE THE CORPS DID NOT EXIST ON EARTH-2 OR ANY OTHER EARTH OTHER THAN EARTH-1? You keep acting like I'm pulling all this sht out of thin air just to spite you or something. This is canon!

"Well maybe the history of all these Earths have changed so that Oa is in some of them," you say. Okay, but then how in the world do you know that this Robin actually belongs on Earth-2? If everything about the rules now is "anything goes," then how do you know that any of the Earths that we knew before are anything like they were as we knew them? You're accusing me of looking at this new multiverse from its older standards, but the only way you're little theory can work -- Robin belongs on 2 while Question belongs on 4 -- is if it abides by the old rules of the DC multiverse!

I'm sticking with canon as I know it -- there is no Flash in Earth-4, no Superman in Earth-5, and only one GL Corps -- until I'm told otherwise by the comics or the writers. If that happens, I'll eat my words. Until that happens, however, you're assuming against available evidence, not in support of it.

But like I said, it's only a cover. All I said was that I thought it would be an interesting conept that Monarch is the Earth 3 version of Capt. Atom.And all I said is that you're probably wrong, considering the numerous discrepancies in your theory just from that cover. There are more people sitting in the wrong Earths than there are people sitting in the right Earths. You saying "WELL MAYBE IT'S DIFFERENT NOW" over and over again doesn't make it any more true. For all that you know, whoever drew the cover could have simply placed Robin-2 and Question in their respective numbers as a wink to the readers and then used random numbers for the rest of the characters.

[Ultimate_Superman]

IMO I think bring back the multi earths will back fire on DC. I think they should have just stuck with one earth; that way everything would have been less confusing. I am just hoping all these things will be dealt with and we don't see them visiting other Earths. I just want them to stick with New Earth stories and All-Star Stories. Every other Earth can go to hell. If they want to do stories like that bring back Elseworld don't mess with anything else.

[sethcohen]

Oh my goodness. Are you even aware that Alan Scott had nothing whatsoever to do with the Corps? And that the green woman standing there is his daughter, Jade, who also had nothing to do with the Corps? BECAUSE THE CORPS DID NOT EXIST ON EARTH-2 OR ANY OTHER EARTH OTHER THAN EARTH-1? You keep acting like I'm pulling all this sht out of thin air just to spite you or something. This is canon!

"Well maybe the history of all these Earths have changed so that Oa is in some of them," you say. Okay, but then how in the world do you know that this Robin actually belongs on Earth-2? If everything about the rules now is "anything goes," then how do you know that any of the Earths that we knew before are anything like they were as we knew them? You're accusing me of looking at this new multiverse from its older standards, but the only way you're little theory can work -- Robin belongs on 2 while Question belongs on 4 -- is if it abides by the old rules of the DC multiverse!

I'm sticking with canon as I know it -- there is no Flash in Earth-4, no Superman in Earth-5, and only one GL Corps -- until I'm told otherwise by the comics or the writers. If that happens, I'll eat my words. Until that happens, however, you're assuming against available evidence, not in support of it.

And all I said is that you're probably wrong, considering the numerous discrepancies in your theory just from that cover. There are more people sitting in the wrong Earths than there are people sitting in the right Earths. You saying "WELL MAYBE IT'S DIFFERENT NOW" over and over again doesn't make it any more true. For all that you know, whoever drew the cover could have simply placed Robin-2 and Question in their respective numbers as a wink to the readers and then used random numbers for the rest of the characters.

and this is why i hate the multiverse endless squabbles over alternate reality continuity... many writers can barely follow one cohesive continuity, now we have 52? ef that and ef dan didio

[Anubis]

It's only confusing if you're an idiot. :p

Kidding. The Multiverse was never all that confusing. It's multiple earths. It's been that way for always, even after they supposedly got rid of it in the Crisis. You've been living with it all this time, now that it's officially back, you have a problem all of a sudden? Every comic book universe has a Multiverse, it's a great part of the superhero and sci-fi genre. Always has been.

Oh and B-Willy, I think you're wrong. Sure, when the Multiverse was first created, it was as a result of Krona looking at creation, but that problem was fixed after the first Crisis. This new Multiverse didn't come about the same way. It came about after the fact, therefore it's possible that there's an OA for every Earth that is supposed to have one. Just like theres a Monitor, and possibly even a Darkseid, New Genisis, Spectre, who knows?

[sinewave]

a little late, but canary was a founding member of the jla! i'm glad they didn't **** her over after all.

[sethcohen]

for every cool "walter west" alternate stand in we get like 50 stupid instances where writers use it as a deus ex machina

[Anubis]

Like when?

[sethcohen]

damn i just got pwnd... mostly because im too lazy to do the research

[sethcohen]

damn i just got pwnd... mostly because im too lazy to do the research

[WompuM]

Oh my goodness. Are you even aware that Alan Scott had nothing whatsoever to do with the Corps? And that the green woman standing there is his daughter, Jade, who also had nothing to do with the Corps? BECAUSE THE CORPS DID NOT EXIST ON EARTH-2 OR ANY OTHER EARTH OTHER THAN EARTH-1? You keep acting like I'm pulling all this sht out of thin air just to spite you or something. This is canon!

My bad, I meant to type Earth Three, not earth two, which clearly shows Hal Jordan as GL prior to being barfed on by Mr. Mind. I know who Alan Scott and Jade are. Give me a little credit. The fact is though that after week 52, the canon is changed. There is a definite possibliltiy of a GL corp being on all 52 earths, and judging by Hal Jordan's appearance as GL on Earth 3, AND the fact that Rip said they are identical in Ever. Single. Way. The fact is that Oa, the Crop. and the Gaurdians do not exsist outside of space/time and are subject to the multiverse just as much as the next fictional character.

I am not denying that in the Earth 2 of yesteryear there was no corp. But in this new Earth 2, Earth 7, and Earth 8 there is the possibility of a Green Lantern Corp. All I am saying is that canon has changed, and I bet that the numbers on the cards coincide with the respected Earth numbers.
The story is called 52 Pick-Up by the way. 52 cards, 52 Earths.

[yenaled]

I really liked this issue, I love basking in time travel and pseudo-science jargon I almost reveal in reading about things like that. I had Daniel Carter pegged for Rip Hunter so was surprised when he showed up as a new Supernova - I'd like to see him stick around really.

Hands down the best scene was the Booster/Ted Kord exchange - reminds me how important it is to have dead characters like Ted so you can play on memories. Obviously I just loved the redemption of Booster Gold - even if it is going "unknown" - playing a little homage to his JLU episode maybe? I kind of liked the fact that it shows his actions at the start of the series (before he went into the lab) was out of some kind of guilt that he couldn't help Ted Kord.

I'm OK with the multiverse being back - I always kind of thought it never really went away - with Earth 1/2, Wildstorm, etc there was always a multiverse just not very big. What I wouldn't be OK with is if they start telling loads and loads of stories from those other Earths - and them all interacting all the time. But hopefully they won't do this and the new Multiverse will be more separate than it was pre-COIE.

I'd also certainly read a ghost-Dibney Detectives mini-series - maybe under Tales of the Unexpected title after Spectre finishes.

[WompuM]

Oh and B-Willy, I think you're wrong. Sure, when the Multiverse was first created, it was as a result of Krona looking at creation, but that problem was fixed after the first Crisis. This new Multiverse didn't come about the same way. It came about after the fact, therefore it's possible that there's an OA for every Earth that is supposed to have one. Just like theres a Monitor, and possibly even a Darkseid, New Genisis, Spectre, who knows?

Thank for gettin my back bro.

[The Question]

Also, another thing I don't get: It shows Wildstorm being part of the DC multiverse. But it's been stated before that Wildstorm is atatched to a different cluster or related dimensions in the multiverse than the DCU. So....what?

[Anubis]

It's the snowflake theory. Like, the DCU exists in it's own snowflake, which has a certain number of realities in it, and Wildstorm exists in it's own snowflake, with it's certain number of realities in it. Read Planetary, it'll explain it better. I've always felt it was the best explanation on multiple universes ever.

[The Question]

It's the snowflake theory. Like, the DCU exists in it's own snowflake, which has a certain number of realities in it, and Wildstorm exists in it's own snowflake, with it's certain number of realities in it. Read Planetary, it'll explain it better. I've always felt it was the best explanation on multiple universes ever.


I understand the Snowflake theory. It's what I was talking about. How can Wildstorm be in DC's Snowlfake if it's in a seperate Snowlfake?

[WompuM]

I don't know. The wildstorm business always confused me. I wouldn't be surprised if to see an intigration of the netire universe into the DCU, like how charleston comics were.

I wonder if this will efect vertigo in anyway.

[Varient]

I don't know. The wildstorm business always confused me. I wouldn't be surprised if to see an intigration of the netire universe into the DCU, like how charleston comics were.

I wonder if this will efect vertigo in anyway.

.................

Keep em seperate,...

Start a comic that loosely follows the happenings on the other 51 Earths.

[hippy fascist]

I understand the Snowflake theory. It's what I was talking about. How can Wildstorm be in DC's Snowlfake if it's in a seperate Snowlfake?

Because it's not the original wildstorm universe. It's essentially a copy of that universe created by mister mind. He wasn't drawing that universe into the multiverse. He was stripping away parts of a universe identical to that of new earth until it eventually became a carbon copy of the wildstorm universe.

Simple :up:

[Anubis]

I wouldn't know, I don't get my comics until tomorrow.

[hippy fascist]

what stil confuses me however is the fact that some characters seemed to be on new earth and the copy of their own original earth at the same time. Does this mean that there will be two Jay Garricks for example?

[Anubis]

Probably.

[hippy fascist]

I wouldn't know, I don't get my comics until tomorrow.

oops, sorry man. Figured since it was thursday we didn't need the tags :csad:

[sinewave]

what stil confuses me however is the fact that some characters seemed to be on new earth and the copy of their own original earth at the same time. Does this mean that there will be two Jay Garricks for example?

that's what i was wondering.

[Anubis]

oops, sorry man. Figured since it was thursday we didn't need the tags :csad:


You didn't. This is the official thread. If you come in here not expecting stuff to get spoiled then you're a dumb ass. I don't mind Spoilers. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here having conversations about stuff I haven't even read yet.

[WompuM]

What gets me is that on the panel with Earth 2 it shows Alan Scott, but the newspaper says that Powergirl and Superman-2 are missing. So presumably they are missing because they are on New Earth. But shouldn't Alan Scott, Jay Garrick and Jade be missing as well?

More questions than answers.

[mybotisgone]

with 52 over it seems that it will lose more money and everything following it will fail. I mean Civil War had no story and the character development was bad and the ending was crap. But 52 has all that and better but seeing sales All I can say is that Civil War bad story, no character development, and bad ending is what fans want. But 52 with dropping sales and had good stories, good character development, and not to bad of an ending is what fans seem to hate anyways.

But I did like the ending to 52.

[Anubis]

What gets me is that on the panel with Earth 2 it shows Alan Scott, but the newspaper says that Powergirl and Superman-2 are missing. So presumably they are missing because they are on New Earth. But shouldn't Alan Scott, Jay Garrick and Jade be missing as well?

More questions than answers.


Not really. That just proves that there are copies of the JSA on that world. All except for PG and Supes, (Who will likely be showing up again at some point due to events in JSofA.) and I guess PG is simply the only one that's actually supposed to be on the world she came from. Once again, the outsider.

[BrianWilly]

52 Week frikkin' bloody 52, btches
Heroes fight a huge villain and save the day.

Booster and Skeets end up okay. Steel and Natasha end up okay. Renee and Kate end up okay. Dog Magnus ends up okay. All the space heroes end up okay. Black Adam is...not okay, but hanging in there and, hey lookit, Isis may be coming back in some way. And hey lookit, Ralph and Sue are okay...incredibly dead, but okay!

Here, heroes can win. Here, likeable characters can go on grand adventures and face overwhelming odds and come out on top. Past and new friendships are valued and important. A phrase like "saving the universe" can be said with all genuine genuity instead of as a tongue-in-cheek, half-scornful "Heheh yeah, remember how silly we were back then?" throwaway line from government-sponsored douchebags.

And all of this isn't passed off as juvenile or outdated; it's treated respectfully, meticulously crafted, skillfully constructed storytelling.

And, oh, football saves the universe.

52 was a massive and ambitious undertaking for these writers and while it diverged rather rapidly from its original intent, I think everyone here would agree that it has been an unparalleled success. And when I say "everyone here would agree," mostly I mean smart people. The bar has been raised to an abject degree.

What do I think about the reemergence of the multiverse...or, rather, the megaverse? Well...hnn. It's tough to say. We all know that there is very rarely such a thing as an irredeemable concept, just writers who are unable to make it good. And we all know that there are lots of very cool, very interesting concepts out there that inept writers have turned into trash. Where is this going to fall? Impossible to say.

The fact is that, in practice, there has always been a multiverse in both DC and Marvel. "Bringing back the multiverse" and creating tons of alternate realities to visit is really no different from "No more mutants" reducing the number of mutants from millions to hundreds; it sounds big, but means nothing for the story in practice. A million mutants did not appear in every issue of Marvel comics before House of M. And even after you've made a huge fuss of decimating them, any writer could still create any mutant or superpowered character at their whim without any origins for any reason whatsoever anyway. In the case of the multiverse: In comic books, alternate universes and alternate timelines and alternate futures and alternate pasts and whateverthehell were always there and will always be there. Any writer could have written any alternate reality story they wanted at any point of any plotline, and they often did! Having the multiverse back in DC doesn't change the mechanics of the storyverse in any way; all it does is draw attention to a tool that was already there.

Right now I'm caught up in the romanticism and nostalgia of it all. The acknowledgement of the multiverse really was a big, vibrant part of DCU history and to hear Rip Hunter fondly state, "Welcome home" was...well, at the least, the writers seem to know what they're doing. If they're going to go for it at all, I want them to go all the way; no half-assedness, no apologetics, investing as much time and effort into this concept as it deserves and -- more importantly -- needs. Frankly, the multiverse isn't really that difficult a concept, and it's been even further simplified now; if you can understand frikkin' Wolverine origins, you can bloody well understand the idea of a multiverse.

But let's be real; the multiverse -- even in its most simplistic, straightforward incarnations -- is a hard sell. And so many things can (and probably will) go wrong. And frankly, the DCU has been doing okay "without it" for twentysomething years now ("without it" in quotes because, like I said, it'll always exist in some capacity in comics) so I guess the real question isn't nessarily "will it work?" but "why even bother?" On the other hand...I remember when Infinite Crisis was in full swing and it felt really, really exciting to be a DC fan; big plots were in motion, interesting ideas were popping up all over the place, characters were pushed to the point where they had no choice but to shine, and everything was swept along in the rolling, ongoing saga of the universe. It's a feeling that OYL hasn't really captured -- but that's possibly a good thing 'cause it is something we (and the titles themselves) need a break from every now and then) -- and...well, not to jinx this, but I feel a bit of that feeling in where we're going with this.

To be honest, though, it's entirely possible that my tolerance level for stupid, offensive, inept stories have skyrocketed as of late since, hey, I managed to survive Amazons Attack #1 if only just barely. Remembers kids!...no matter how bad it gets, be thankful that it's not worse.

Good thing I had titles like 52 to keep me going. So here's to that, and a great finale.

(10 out of 10)
(9.3 out of 10 for the entire series)

[Fledermaus]

Did anybody else like Teth-Adams' crocodile-skin boots? :up:

[Jono87]

Quick question, and I apologize if its been addressed, but has there been any confirmation as to whose grave it actually is on the cover of #52? There is Vic's hat, Ralph's costume and flask, Isis's...whatever that thing is...but there are visible letters on the actual grave marker. Has anyone said whose name those letter's are part of?

[BrianWilly]

Huh. Good question. I didn't even notice that.

[Kebab gud]

Quick question, and I apologize if its been addressed, but has there been any confirmation as to whose grave it actually is on the cover of #52? There is Vic's hat, Ralph's costume and flask, Isis's...whatever that thing is...but there are visible letters on the actual grave marker. Has anyone said whose name those letter's are part of?

all it says is "in memorium" non of the dead characters has a name or callname that ends with an M

[Fledermaus]

It's a memorial for Martian Manhunters likability.

[Jono87]

all it says is "in memorium" non of the dead characters has a name or callname that ends with an M
Really? If you dont mind my asking, and not to start a fight or anything, but where did you hear/see/read that?

[yenaled]

I guessed it said In Memorium too. Just seemed to be an obvious choice. It fits anyway.

[CConn]

with 52 over it seems that it will lose more money and everything following it will fail. I mean Civil War had no story and the character development was bad and the ending was crap. But 52 has all that and better but seeing sales All I can say is that Civil War bad story, no character development, and bad ending is what fans want. But 52 with dropping sales and had good stories, good character development, and not to bad of an ending is what fans seem to hate anyways.

But I did like the ending to 52.
You are like the 8th most retarded human being alive.

[trustyside-kick]

Geez I cannot believe that guy actually posted that in this thread. I swear he thinks because of sales numbers DC is doomed. I've seen him say that crap in every thread he posts in just about. I wouldn't say he is the 8th most retarded person, CConn, unless you are trying to be nice about it. :dry:

[Dark Spidey]

I didn't get the ending. If Mister Mind was thrown back to Week One, where Sivana originally found him in the first place. What's to stop him trying his plan again? Only this time doing things differently?

[Fledermaus]

Nothing is to stop him. He's in a time loop. He will repeat the past 52 weeks over and over again.

[SpideyInATree]

Pretty decent ending to a year long series. It was actually hard to believe that we had finally gotten to the last issue of this maxi-series. It was cool to see Booster Gold save the day. Though Montoya as the new Question just isn't going to cut it. Hopefully they retcon it and bring Vic back to life.

[Kurosawa]

I didn't care for that either, but I don't care as much since the real Question is alive and well on Earth-4.

[Dark Spidey]

Nothing is to stop him. He's in a time loop. He will repeat the past 52 weeks over and over again.

Yeah but he doesn't have to repeat the past 52 weeks over and over again.

Why can't he change things this time round so that he wins?

Unless his memory of the past year was wiped when he was regressed back to worm-form...

Which actually explains alot. :o

[Kitsune]

Here's a Question, is Earth-1 going to remain the Merged earth with most of the history we remember from 85 on, and then the other universes going to be the Original.... where the characters didn't interact with DC's characters?

[Kebab gud]

New Earth is the merged earth.. the rest are number 1 to 51..
so since Earth-2 is the old earth2 its safe to say that Earth-1 is the pre COIE earth-1
And Issue #0 of JLA seems to have a page about a multiverse crossover with Earth-1

[The Leaguer]

I like WildStorm getting recognized by the DC Universe, but I don't like that its own multiverse was either ignored or forgotten.

[BrianWilly]

Well it was pretty gay.

Speaking of which!

http://expmagazine.com/midwest/?p=172

Some spoilers for the villains portion of Countdown.

Well at least Ratty's not evil. Makes his annoying appearance in Guggenheim's Flash a bit more tolerable.

[Kitsune]

That makes sense... Earth 0 would be the merged earth, and the other earths would be duplicates that Mr Mind ate some of the history. That explains everything but the Wildstorm universe.

[storyteller]

Well i gotta say booster sure did get what to own 52. I also agree that i think replacing the question was a bad idea. I mean we arent talking at about the same character now. Its like superman taking over for batman, its clear that they arent the same, and if their arent similarities then its not that hero. Also the question probably could have picked a christload of people more qualified then montoya. Yeah recon this one fast.

[Fledermaus]

Well i gotta say booster sure did get what to own 52.

What?:huh:

[Manic]

Replacing Vic/Charlie with a new Question? Bad idea. Hell, Renee Montoya was a good character on her own. It was 31 flavors of unnecessary.

However, I will give DC credit for this: they didn't suddenly drop this on our laps. We got to see nearly a full year of Question teaching Renee to think like him. I mean, it's not like when we got the new Blue Beetle.

[BrianWilly]

And yet ironically, Jaime is pretty universally accepted where Renee is not.

You just can't predict the reactions, sometimes.

[Manic]

I supposed you're right.

Here's to the new multi/mega-verse, and the existence of Classic Question roaming through one of 'em.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's probably because Ted already had some strong stories recently that showcased him at his best, and he went out with in huge, heroic style, defiant to the last against Max Lord. The Question, on the other hand, mysteriously just started contacting Renee, made her his sidekick, investigated Intergang a bit, revealed he had cancer, and then died in the middle of nowhere not too long after.

Plus, Jaime's a totally different kind of Blue Beetle from Ted, mixing in some Spider-Man-esque likability and fun with the overarching mystery of where his powers come from. It seems like they just tried to make Montoya a female Vic. She has nothing special or unique beyond some fantastic characterization in Gotham Central. She's just a woman whom Vic taught to think just about the same as he did, and now she's doing the same things he would've done in the same ways he would've done them (only with less martial arts, probably). It was a bland character transition right when it looked like Vic himself might be getting some of the spotlight he's so sorely lacked. I know I, for one, saw what Rucka was doing with Montoya but thought, "Nah, he's not gonna kill Vic. Vic's got too much going for him right now. He's so much more interesting than Montoya." Oops. :o

My problem with the Question is the same I had with the Atom. The new Atom is basically an Asian, pre-angst Ray Palmer. Montoya as the Question is basically just a female Vic. What's the point of the change if the character doesn't really change? Plus, Montoya was an interesting character in her own right, so now it feels like they basically destroyed two characters by stuffing them into the same superhero identity.

[Darthphere]

Dude, Corp, post a rant like that at the LJ *******.

Oh and I agree.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah. But I don't even think of that as a rant, really. I set out to explain my notion of how the two came to be regarded so differently, and then I just kind of kept going. Totally unintentional.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

New Earth is the merged earth.. the rest are number 1 to 51..
so since Earth-2 is the old earth2 its safe to say that Earth-1 is the pre COIE earth-1
And Issue #0 of JLA seems to have a page about a multiverse crossover with Earth-1

Are you sure about that????? The costumes were all wrong and even the "S" on the earth 2 Superman was all wrong.Of corse we could chalk it up to bad info given to the artist.I think it a new earth 2 with the basic history of the first earth 2.

[Anubis]

Kebab doesn't know what the f**k he's talking about. It's New Earth. With it's own continuity, that has nothing to do with anything.

[batnkevlar]

The Crime Syndicate were different, and they included an evil MM, which should be a white martian... and be dead in that universe...

[TheCorpulent1]

Despite the naming conventions, all of the 52 Earths are new. New Earth is the one that the mainstream comics follow. Earths 1 through 51 are not the same as their pre-CoIE counterparts. They may be similar, but just like New Earth hasn't reverted to the continuity of the main pre-CoIE Earth, none of the other 52 current Earths necessarily have the same continuity as the pre-CoIE Earths.

Frankly, I don't really see the need for any new Earths. The 52 writers bandy about words like "infinite possibilities" but what new possibilities do the new Earths really afford? There's an Earth solely dedicated to the Fawcett characters, but all of those already exist within New Earth. There's an Earth with Wildstorm characters, but all that does is fly in the face of everything Planetary and other comics have told us about the Wildstorm universe's setup (unfortunate, too, since it was a really good setup). All I really see coming out of this are some more Silver Agey Elseworlds tales set on the other Earths, where Captain Marvel can still hang out with Talky Tawnee, for example, and easier character retcons. Don't like how Trials has screwed with Billy? No problem, just kill the New Earth one and import the Earth-5 one, free of all that pesky character development. Other than that, I don't see how this benefits anything other than maybe the new Booster Gold series. I certainly don't want to see alternate-Earth variants of every character popping up in comics now.

[BrianWilly]

Lol you call it "character development." That's a good one.

Uh, other than that I agree. All that stuff the 52 writers have been saying with their recent casual, vague answers of "But you see we now have INFINITE POSSIBILITIES WHY AREN'T YOU AWESOMED BY THIS" to the very reasonable questions of "Why a multiverse and why now?" doesn't exactly scream foresight to me.

I am a bit more optimistic about it though, 'cause with Countdown and everything it does seem like DC in general they has some manner of cohesive plan about it, which I like. We'll see how it goes.

[The Question]

What I'm wondering is, how are they going to explain the stories DC had between the first Crisis and 52 that had alternate universes in them?

[BrianWilly]

HYPERTIME!

I dunno.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who cares? Those stories don't matter anymore. New continuity.

[Fledermaus]

What I'm wondering is, how are they going to explain the stories DC had between the first Crisis and 52 that had alternate universes in them?
Retcon Punch!!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

...fixes EVERYTHING :up:

[BrianWilly]

At least now DiDio can't claim Linda Danvers is gone. She's living just fine on Earth-8.

DON'T RUIN MY DREAMS.

[Eros]

At least now DiDio can't claim Linda Danvers is gone. She's living just fine on Earth-8.

DON'T RUIN MY DREAMS.


**** all the 52 earths, **** them all.

[Knives122]

...fixes EVERYTHING :up:

We need a Dick Punch, that seems to knock out everyone regardless of who they are.

We can use it on DD.

[Harlekin]

So, I finally read the last few issues of 52. I wouldn't have missed it for the world, but the last ten to twenty issues or so were really just all about completism. I had to have the full 52 issues, but by the end the stories had just become average (and in the case of the Question/Bible of Crime, just plain mediocre). I will say that I loved some aspects (Animal Man/Adam Strange/Starfire journey) and if it were a normal ongoing title, I probably would've kept reading it till #52. Definitely not going to go along with Countdown though.

The ending though, however nicely it was written, basically just undid both Crisises, which is kinda lame. Scratch that. It's horribly lame. I don't mind the multiverse, but... lame.

[Mister J]

Finally managed to get all caught up with this thing. I must have laughed for 5 minutes straight when the crocodile made a Happy Meal out of little, petulant Black Adam Jr. and talked smack about it next issue. God, that was great.

This Montoya Question thing still bothers me (though the execution was well done). Black Adam raising hell and everyone trying to stop him was good, although my $12 would have been better spent on something other than WWIII. The time continuum stuff got a little wonky in #52, but screw it; it's over. Time to debate investing in another weekly. Yippee! :dry: The bastards could have given us a break in between. :down

[Kitsune]

I'm wondering if we ever see Supernova again

[GoldenAgeHero]

why? he's booster gold,what difference would it make?

[Darthphere]

Did you even read 52 GAH?

[Anubis]

Lol

[trustyside-kick]

why? he's booster gold,what difference would it make?

Because back when everyone was trying to predict who Supernova was (Connor, Booster, Rip, etc.) some of us actually wanted him to be a whole new superhero. He had an awesome design and awesome powers. If he did become a whole new character though I would remove the whole "technology" aspect of his suit though so it would be actual powers.

[Darthphere]

If he did become a whole new character though I would remove the whole "technology" aspect of his suit though so it would be actual powers.

That's stupid though. The whole point behind the technology is that anyone could be Supernova, Jimmy Olsen could be Supernova. That's whats so great about the concept. If you remove that and just make it powers, you just have another Superman ripoff.:o

[sethcohen]

i was under the impression that daniel carter would continue to be supernova

[Darthphere]

Well according to Johns, Supernova will show up in the Booster series and it's a mystery as tho who he is.

[Mister J]

Great. Another round of 'Who is Supernova?' :dry:

My money's on Ambush Bug. :up:

[Kebab gud]

i was under the impression that daniel carter would continue to be supernova
nope .. they made it clear that he was just Supernova in Week 52.. and they find a new use/user for the suit

[Kitsune]

I would also like to see if Daniel Carter ever did anything with his life now. There was a lot of speculation that Daniel was actually Rip Hunter, but I guess that came to nothing.

[Darthphere]

Blue Beetle is going to be on Teen Titans?

[SonOfCthulhu]

Darth, where's that Beetle rumour coming from?

[Darthphere]

Darth, where's that Beetle rumour coming from?

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa305/jamesbondguy/DSCF0559_0001.jpg

I guess that also means Cyborg joins the JLA.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, Supergirl? I like Blue Beetle, but Supergirl's joining, too? Quit shoving that ***** down my throat, DC. I don't ****ing like her! :cmad:

Why couldn't Batgirl replace Ravager, too? She's a much better fighter and a much better character. :o
I would also like to see if Daniel Carter ever did anything with his life now. There was a lot of speculation that Daniel was actually Rip Hunter, but I guess that came to nothing.
It could still come to pass. We still don't know who Rip was before he became Rip Hunter, and he could easily be an older Dan. It seems like a stretch for Booster and Dan not to recognize him, but I guess he might've had his features altered somehow with future-tech or good ol' 21st-century plastic surgery or something.

I kind of wish Conner Kent could take up the role of Supernova. Cast out of time the moment before his death because of residual quantum weirdness from Superboy Prime or something. That'd be sweet. It's a pipe dream, though. :(

[trustyside-kick]

That's stupid though. The whole point behind the technology is that anyone could be Supernova, Jimmy Olsen could be Supernova. That's whats so great about the concept. If you remove that and just make it powers, you just have another Superman ripoff.:o

How? The powers are not similar. Flight? Big whoop. That is the only similarity.

[Darthphere]

How? The powers are not similar. Flight? Big whoop. That is the only similarity.

Yeah, the Sentry's powers aren't either, go figure.:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

You pretty much want to strip Supernova of everything that makes the character interesting by making him some other douche that got hit with rays, is an alien or got his powers from a totem.

[trustyside-kick]

How were any of Supernova's abilities similar to Supes? Can Supes teleport? Can he do any of the other things we saw Supernova do aside from flying? I really do not understand your arguement about this.

[Darthphere]

How were any of Supernova's abilities similar to Supes? Can Supes teleport? Can he do any of the other things we saw Supernova do aside from flying? I really do not understand your arguement about this.

Its the power of perception. It's another guy with a cape that has 25 different powers. What's so hard to understand here?:huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree that I like the suit as the source of Supernova's power, since it gives him the everyman appeal, but doesn't that just make him a rip-off of Iron Man or Steel or any of a hundred other suit-powered heroes rather than a rip-off of Superman or Spider-Man if his powers were internal?

[trustyside-kick]

Its the power of perception. It's another guy with a cape that has 25 different powers. What's so hard to understand here?

But the powers, aside from one, are nothing alike. So...I don't see the problem with it.

[Darthphere]

I agree that I like the suit as the source of Supernova's power, since it gives him the everyman appeal, but doesn't that just make him a rip-off of Iron Man or Steel or any of a hundred other suit-powered heroes rather than a rip-off of Superman or Spider-Man if his powers were internal?

Probably.

[sinewave]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa305/jamesbondguy/DSCF0559_0001.jpg

I guess that also means Cyborg joins the JLA.

not a bad lineup. i'd like to see speedy on the team and maybe bart, but it's not bad. notice how the three most powerful titans are all girls.

[Darthphere]

And the other rumor is, McKeever plans on bringing in Cassandra Cain on BOP.

[sinewave]

And the other rumor is, McKeever plans on bringing in Cassandra Cain on BOP.

he's writing both? man, i don't think i've read anything he's done. why's he getting so many books all of the sudden? who's handling the art on teen titans? i hope they get somebody who can handle a monthly schedule.

[trustyside-kick]

O wow, seeing that picture in another thread I never noticed Supergirl before. Interesting. Although, I would prefer her not being there since that is like replacing Conner a bit too much. From Superboy to Supergirl? Meh. If it's true I'll live with it.

[hippy fascist]

vote for darth ****ers! :cmad:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272918

[Darthphere]

he's writing both? man, i don't think i've read anything he's done. why's he getting so many books all of the sudden? who's handling the art on teen titans? i hope they get somebody who can handle a monthly schedule.

McKeever is a great writer that Marvel really never gave a chance to become something more than the guy who writes Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane. DC is giving him that chance.

[batnkevlar]

I like that Titan lineup...

[sinewave]

McKeever is a great writer that Marvel really never gave a chance to become something more than the guy who writes Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane. DC is giving him that chance.

i'll take your word for it. it just seems like he's coming out of nowhere. is the artist who drew that picture the new titans artist?

[SonOfCthulhu]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa305/jamesbondguy/DSCF0559_0001.jpg

I guess that also means Cyborg joins the JLA.


Thanks. If Supergirl is the chick upper right, who is the chick upper left?

[Darthphere]

i'll take your word for it. it just seems like he's coming out of nowhere. is the artist who drew that picture the new titans artist?

I believe so.

[sinewave]

Thanks. If Supergirl is the chick upper right, who is the chick upper left?

miss martian

[sinewave]

I believe so.

not bad. he's like a slightly less exaggerated j. scott campbell. hopefully he can keep on schedule.

[SonOfCthulhu]

miss martian

*/wails in pain

Buh?

[sethcohen]

barf... supergirl... yuck

[Manic]

I don't read Teen Titans. What's this I hear about Miss Martian being a White Martian posing as a Green Martian?

[Varient]

I don't read Teen Titans. What's this I hear about Miss Martian being a White Martian posing as a Green Martian?

I think thats Great!

A "White" Martian female Playing a "green" Martian female in Human form,.... Smaller, slighter than the Martianm Manhunter.

How old is she "really?"

Can John Get past his prejudice to see her as other than the Enemy?

Why does she choose to play a green martian "girl" instead od a white martian "woman"?

What are her limitations?


She's probably the only super female in that power range besides Big Barda who supergirl hasn't swung on,.... is it going to happen?

I'm one of the few people who want a Ms Martian in the DC Universe.

:wow: :woot: :oldrazz:

[BrianWilly]

She's actually a really cool character, too, one of the few Titans who have been consistently fun OYL.

[Darthphere]

When she shows up.

[Fledermaus]

Supergirl, Miss Martian, and Wondergirl? Jesus Christ, the Titans are more powerful than the JLA.

[Darthphere]

Roy can take them all down single handedly, if you know what I'm saying.

[Anubis]

I'm talkin' down town!

[sinewave]

that is a lot of ass for robin, kid devil and beetle.

[Darthphere]

that is a lot of ass for robin, kid devil and beetle.

The Arrow name isn't the only thing Roy plans on taking from Ollie as he retires from Pimposity.

Roy Harper: Man-****.:heart:

[Anubis]

Well, if KD is anything like Nightcrawler, he's got double the necessary parts.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea and let's not forget Rose. She's hit on Robin so many times and even tried to sleep with him.

[sinewave]

the orgy from "the boys", redux.

[Fledermaus]

I wonder if Batman has had "the talk" with Robin yet.

[sethcohen]

right about now someone is probably going to make the obvious tasteless batman/robin gay joke... totally cliche:whatever:

[Kitsune]

Supergirl, Miss Martian, and Wondergirl? Jesus Christ, the Titans are more powerful than the JLA.

I think Jesus is a little bit old to be a Teen Titan.

[Mister J]

That didn't seem to bother Cyborg.

[Kebab gud]

Supergirl, Miss Martian, and Wondergirl? Jesus Christ, the Titans are more powerful than the JLA.

dont forget Blue Beetle, he Did after all keep Guy Gardner atbay. Thou there is nothing that indicates that he will be a part of the linup (sounds more like a Crossover)

[Fledermaus]

I think Jesus is a little bit old to be a Teen Titan.

Funny. :up:

That didn't seem to bother Cyborg.

Funnier. :up: :up:

[Kitsune]

They could always do the deaging thing like they did to Atom a while ago... Teen Jesus meets Kid Devil... that would be amusing.


On a total side note to Mister J: Mister Jaw? And I thought my current avatar was obscure.

[Doc Destruction]

Not too obscure there in Okeefanokee swamp, no?

[Kitsune]

Not too obscure there in Okeefanokee swamp, no?
Glad to see someone remembers Pogo, though the strip did end before I was born.