The Official '52' Thread

[GoldenAgeHero]

it looks more like martian manhunter from the sillouite(sp?) figure.

[Darthphere]

Could be, but I think with the whole Monitor storyline dropped in Brave New World and Donna in the HOTDCU, The Monitor may be there to "monitor" the supernatural happenings on Earth.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i failt o see the point of the monitors tho, i mean why in the world does nightwing have a monitor? is he the future anti-christ or what?

[Darthphere]

Nightwing is a core character, hes the future of the DCU and all of them realize that, WW, Supes, Batman. Hes become somewhat of a cornerstone. Other than that I have no idea.

[SonOfCthulhu]

i failt o see the point of the monitors tho, i mean why in the world does nightwing have a monitor? is he the future anti-christ or what?

Squidwatch '06. 'nuff said.

[trustyside-kick]

i failt o see the point of the monitors tho, i mean why in the world does nightwing have a monitor? is he the future anti-christ or what?

Nightwing is a core character, hes the future of the DCU and all of them realize that, WW, Supes, Batman. Hes become somewhat of a cornerstone. Other than that I have no idea.

Wait...since when does Nightwing have some monitor watching him? I am a little confused...what issue are you talking about? Week 11? I know one of the first pictures in the HODCU is Nightwing looking up in the sky at the O.M.A.Cs but that is all. Is that what you meant? I am a little confused here. :(

[Darthphere]

Didio said it in an interview.

[Shawkur]

I think read somewhere that the story that they are going with is that Dick was "meant" to die in the Crisis like Donna. I believe it was stated that the monitors are following people that are anomolies created by the new Earth or something like that.

[Lex Luthor]

Oh yeah. There were some definite hiints in IC that Dick was apparently scheduled to die. But it didnt happen. Kal-L confessing that he thought Dick was a better person than the Earth-2 Dick Grayson was one of these hints I think.

[bengus]

More misdirection I think, to give more emotional weight to Dick being "injured" in IC. Like asking to marry Oracle/Babs...

Has a year changed Dick on some level for you guys? I felt he has. The threat he made Superman in Outsiders seemed like a more *****ure (pardon the pun) Dick than ever before.

What do you think caused it over the past year? Something happened while training 'round the world with Batman?

[SpideyInATree]

Pretty good this week. Most of this issue dealth with Ralph and the Cult...but I like that part of it. Though Ralph SERIOUSLY messed up in his decision making, and now he's lost his mind.

Black Adam saves a bunch of kids with his new wife. I don't know too much about Black Adam, but I have a feeling that this chick is leading him around by his "you know what".

[TheCorpulent1]

Bleh. I'm sad for Ralph. I was hoping he might eventually move on during 52, but it seems that they're intent on milking his denial into full-on psychosis and dragging it out until he becomes a complete waste of a character. At this point, I'm hoping Ralph is the main character who dies in 52, if only to spare him (and me) more pain.

[Darthphere]

Bleh. I'm sad for Ralph. I was hoping he might eventually move on during 52, but it seems that they're intent on milking his denial into full-on psychosis and dragging it out until he becomes a complete waste of a character. At this point, I'm hoping Ralph is the main character who dies in 52, if only to spare him (and me) more pain.


Same. I was so happy with his turn around in the issue but then they ****ed it all up.

[regwec]

I think that Ralph may the character via whom we are introduced to the "personal Monitor" concept. To an even greater extent that Booster Gold, Ralph's life has spiralled out of control, so I believe that there is room for guidance there.

[GoldenAgeHero]

he's being monitored right?

[Fledermaus]

More misdirection I think, to give more emotional weight to Dick being "injured" in IC. Like asking to marry Oracle/Babs...

Has a year changed Dick on some level for you guys? I felt he has. The threat he made Superman in Outsiders seemed like a more *****ure (pardon the pun) Dick than ever before.

What do you think caused it over the past year? Something happened while training 'round the world with Batman?

I think that since Dick was supposed to die during IC, DC had plans to make Jason Todd Nightwing permenantly. And that's why Outsider Nightwing is acting so cold and hardcore, and why the last arc in Nightwing seemed so uhh...sh**ty. It was a last minute type thing.

[PWN3R]

It was beyond sh**ty. I cant believe it made print.:confused:

[trustyside-kick]

Yea...I am serious when I say I want DC to take that Nightwing OYL arc out of continuity.

[TheCorpulent1]

he's being monitored right?
Only in the halls.

[Darthphere]

*rimshot*

[TheCorpulent1]

*rimjob*
Dude, that's disgusting. Seriously, kill that noise, son. :(

[Darthphere]

Dude, that's disgusting. Seriously, kill that noise, son. :(


Nice one.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Thanks, I thought so.

And you're still disgusting.

[Darthphere]

Never denied it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Good. We should all make peace with what we are.

[Vic Von Doom]

Has any of the six main characters:

Black Adam
Question
Montoya
Steel
Dibny
Booster

Appeared in the OYL DCU yet? Because unless DC just has no plans for any of them to appear at all for the rest of the year, process of elimination will narrow down our suspects.

I was genuinely disturbed by the ending to #13. That doll crawling toward him..."Ralph?" Oh, man. "Try again...try again..." Chills. Is he done now in 52, or will they come back to him? It'd be cool to see him locked up in Arkham or something.

Oh, what's the deal with Jean Loring, by the way? Is she just dead since Eclipso was defeated, or what's the deal there?

[Doc Destruction]

Each of the Monitors are watching a specific member of the DCU who was supposed to die or change drastically during IC, but didn't. Dick and Donna each have one, and we haven't found out who the others are watching yet.

Pretty cool idea, I thought.

[Darthphere]

Of course you would think that.

[Darthphere]

Has any of the six main characters:

Black Adam
Question
Montoya
Steel
Dibny
Booster

Appeared in the OYL DCU yet? Because unless DC just has no plans for any of them to appear at all for the rest of the year, process of elimination will narrow down our suspects.

I was genuinely disturbed by the ending to #13. That doll crawling toward him..."Ralph?" Oh, man. "Try again...try again..." Chills. Is he done now in 52, or will they come back to him? It'd be cool to see him locked up in Arkham or something.

Oh, what's the deal with Jean Loring, by the way? Is she just dead since Eclipso was defeated, or what's the deal there?


No, none of the characters will show up until 52 ends.

[Doc Destruction]

Of course you would think that.

Uhhhh, okay?

[Darthphere]

Either way, you came to your own conclusion on why the Monitors are monitoring certain people, we dont know why.

[Doc Destruction]

Actually, I was referencing an interview with Didio.

[Darthphere]

Link it.

[Doc Destruction]

I was looking! Jeez!

"Oh, there’s a lot more than just the return of the Monitor – or Monitors,” Didio said. “You’re going to see these first five Monitors, and each one of them is assigned to a specific element that came out of Infinite Crisis in some way changed – or in some way not changed, and that’s what they’re trying to find out – why are these specific things either changed or not changed.”

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=75844

Impatient bastich.

[Darthphere]

It doesnt say anything about people that were supposed to die. Just thins that changed and didnt change. In other words:


I win.

[Doc Destruction]

Change as in DIE, goofball. :p

[Darthphere]

Change doesnt necessarily mean die.Goofball. That was stupid.


I win.

[regwec]

"Change" almost never means "die". They're spelled differently.

[Doc Destruction]

Well, we already KNOW that Nightwing was supposed to die. So there.

[Darthphere]

As I said, it was conjecture on your part:


I win.

[Doc Destruction]

It was conjecture on my part? Nightwing was supposed to die. Fact. The Monitors are watching him. Fact. The Monitors are watching things that were supposed to have changed in IC. Fact.

Death is a pretty big change. WTF am I missing here? Or, are you being stubborn AGAIN.

[Darthphere]

You dont know if thats the reason the monitor is monitoring Nightwing though, nothing has been confirmed. Therefore, conjecture.

I win.

[Doc Destruction]

If I'm right, I'm gonna cram it down your gullet. You have been warned!

[Darthphere]

And I will gladly take it, I love when Doc admits hes wrong.

[Doc Destruction]

Why? I've been wrong before and fully admitted it. No big deal.

[Darthphere]

I proved you wrong 10 posts ago but you still fought on.

[BrianWilly]

Not only Nightwing was supposed to have died, but Donna Troy -- who is one of the others that have been assigned a Monitor -- is supposed to have died as well; this has been explicitly stated in History of the DCU as to why she has a Monitor monitoring her. So "failure to die" is at least one of the big changes that brings about a Monitor, and until stated otherwise it's the only one we know for a fact right now.

[Darthphere]

No BrianWilly, sorry.


I win.

[Darthphere]

And when the hell was Donna suppose to die in IC?

[GoldenAgeHero]

didio should've had the balls to kill nightwing.

[Darthphere]

WTF is your problem?

[BrianWilly]

Inbreeding?
And when the hell was Donna suppose to die in IC?Well according to that issue she was supposed to have died in space instead of Jade or something. Which is a bit...I'll be nice and say "awkward"...because at no point in that entire storyline was she ever in a position to die instead of Jade.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, odd. I gotta go back and read those pointless History of the DCU backups.

[Darthphere]

Oh and by the way, they were all up and ready to kill Nightwing but Paul Levitz, the head honcho put a stop to that. Thanks Paul.

[regwec]

We have Paul to thank for transexual Dick and octopi-Jason. Cool.

[Darthphere]

We have Paul to thank for transexual Dick and octopi-Jason. Cool.


And for bringing WOlfman and Jurgens on Nightwing.:o :up:

[trustyside-kick]

They should seriously take that first Nightwing OYL arc out of continuity and have his actually 'coming back from the year' be the Wolfman arc.

[Darthphere]

They wont, because sadly there are people who like whats going on.

[trustyside-kick]

They wont, because sadly there are people who like whats going on.

Now I know you and some others here hate Jason and Jason's 'revival'...but who could seriously actually like what happened in that arc? :confused: :eek: :( :mad: :down

[Darthphere]

People, sad people.

[marcofthebeast]

I hope the go retcon that garbage, It's unlikley though. I hope they treat it as a bad dream and Dick waking up from a coma or something. I don't care how they fix it, it just has to be fixed.

[Doc Destruction]

I proved you wrong 10 posts ago but you still fought on.

No you really didn't. Nice try though.

At least Brianwilly has the common sense to put 2 and 2 together like I did.

[Darthphere]

He even admits that the whole thing is "awkward", so no. AT this point its all conjecture, nice try though.

[Doc Destruction]

Ion and Flash also have their own Monitors. Perhaps Wally was the one who was supposed to return?

[Doc Destruction]

He even admits that the whole thing is "awkward", so no. AT this point its all conjecture, nice try though.

Think what you will, then. But I am not wrong.

[Darthphere]

But you are not right.

[Doc Destruction]

But you are not right.

I guess we'll see.

[Darthphere]

No, im blind.

[BrianWilly]

I said that I think the way they're trying to fit that particular storyline in is awkward since that particular storyline doesn't really fit all that well...but I don't dispute the fact that they are trying to fit it in. It's just going to need more lubricant than usual.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Ion and Flash also have their own Monitors. Perhaps Wally was the one who was supposed to return?

since when? links?

[Darthphere]

I said that I think the way they're trying to fit that particular storyline in is awkward since that particular storyline doesn't really fit all that well...but I don't dispute the fact that they are trying to fit it in. It's just going to need more lubricant than usual.


And you know about lube.:o :confused:

[Doc Destruction]

since when? links?

I linked it already!

[BrianWilly]

It's also been plastered across the backs of every DC Nation thingy that Didio has written for the last couple of weeks. Look at the backs of the last few 52 issues...almost everything you'd need to know is in there.

[sethcohen]

They should seriously take that first Nightwing OYL arc out of continuity and have his actually 'coming back from the year' be the Wolfman arc.
i hope he wakes up as babs is toweling her hair off and says "i had the strangest dream... jason todd was an octopus and bart allen was a sucky flash!" then babs says, whats family guy?

[Vic Von Doom]

Bart isn't a sucky Flash. His crappy writers are ruining him, though. Someone just needs to come along and be his Geoff Johns. Or his Mark Waid.

Or just write a Flash book that doesn't suck. Either way.

Or maybe BRING BACK WALLY WEST!!!!!!! Jeez.

[sethcohen]

ugh... the humor was lost on you... bart SHOULDNT be a sucky flash... he should be a great flash, in about 5 years... instead we rush it with crappy writers and get him as a sucky out of character flash... blah

[Vic Von Doom]

ugh... the humor was lost on you... bart SHOULDNT be a sucky flash... he should be a great flash, in about 5 years... instead we rush it with crappy writers and get him as a sucky out of character flash... blah

I fail to see the humor in turning a formerly great character into a lameass Flash, easily the worst ever.

And you just agreed with what I said.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, John Fox was a pretty crappy Flash initially. But he got better, so yeah, I guess Bart would be the worst ever. Sad.

[Bullseye]

It seems DC has had multiple characters take on the mantle of a superhero.

I am really enjoying 52. I actually suprised this book has kept on track with it schedule.

[trustyside-kick]

Oh yea...I am loving the series as well. And they are doing a great job with getting the issues out. :up:

[Bullseye]

The backup stories are a nice feature to the book as well. Really enjoyed the backup story of Wonder Woman. Nice work by Adam Hughes and a great preview of Hughes' art that will be seen in All Star Wonder Woman.

[Mister J]

I almost found myself caring about the Steel arc this week. John seems desperate and you know Luthor has a price for these 'gifts' he's bestowed.

The Q and Renee arc was solid as usual, but I wish it hadn't ended so quickly. Although I suppose that's the sign of a good story.

Pardon me whilst I do some research on Dr. Magnus and the Metal Men.

[GoldenAgeHero]

this weeks issue was great. great art and everything. im loving the doc magnus arc like crazy. i get a crazy feeling that dr.kal is going to be waering that armor, the one steel made for natasha.

[trustyside-kick]

I should be able to pick up this week's issue later today.

[marcofthebeast]

This issue was very well rounded each part was well written. They Steele and Question and Montoya parts were losing a little steam IMO but the writting was much stronger this time around. And the metamorpho origin was the best one so far... That might be because he is a character I know little about.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I want more Steel, you put Steel on the cover, I ****ing expect Steel.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i wish supergirl never existed,, Iwould love the new armor steel built to go to to the hands of doctor kal. so she can be the one calling her supergirl or whatever.

some how i think her and johns are going to fall in love and dr.kal would take the armor and they'll be a dynamic due. i know for sure that DC won't kill him off, since theyre tryingt o be all pc, plus he's like the only black superhero people like.

[Darthphere]

More ****ing Steel!

[The Question]

i wish supergirl never existed,, Iwould love the new armor steel built to go to to the hands of doctor kal. so she can be the one calling her supergirl or whatever.

some how i think her and johns are going to fall in love and dr.kal would take the armor and they'll be a dynamic due. i know for sure that DC won't kill him off, since theyre tryingt o be all pc, plus he's like the only black superhero people like.



Ahem.....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Jsa76.jpg

[GoldenAgeHero]

i cant believe i forgot about him........:( mr.terrific is cool, but i feel he's been a little down played lately. i want him to get somespotlight to himself.

[sinewave]

i wish supergirl never existed,, Iwould love the new armor steel built to go to to the hands of doctor kal. so she can be the one calling her supergirl or whatever.

some how i think her and johns are going to fall in love and dr.kal would take the armor and they'll be a dynamic due. i know for sure that DC won't kill him off, since theyre tryingt o be all pc, plus he's like the only black superhero people like.

i thought the same thing when reading this issue.

[GoldenAgeHero]

that'll be funny to crew over natasha liek that. but i would be interested in a interracial relationship in comics.

[The Question]

i cant believe i forgot about him........:( mr.terrific is cool, but i feel he's been a little down played lately. i want him to get somespotlight to himself.


He and Dr. Midnight should have a buddy cop style comics. Except, instead of cops they're doctors who also fight crime.

[Darthphere]

that'll be funny to crew over natasha liek that. but i would be interested in a interracial relationship in comics.


Because we havent seen any of those before.

[sinewave]

He and Dr. Midnight should have a buddy cop style comics. Except, instead of cops they're doctors who also fight crime.

That reminds me, I sent DC my idea for a Dr. Mid-nite comic. I haven't heard back from them on it, so if they end up releasing it without acknowledging me, I'll be pissed.

[The Question]

Well, did you write a script, or just send a pitch?

[OA blaster]

That reminds me, I sent DC my idea for a Dr. Mid-nite comic. I haven't heard back from them on it, so if they end up releasing it without acknowledging me, I'll be pissed.

Dr.Mid-nite? Limited or continuious series?

[sinewave]

Well, did you write a script, or just send a pitch?

I just sent a pitch. Basically just a rough outline of what I thought would make an interesting book. Nothing specific, just the idea of basing a comic around him and his practice with a few cameos from the likes of Mr. Teriffic and other JSAers and various heroes. Kind of a "House"/"Grey's Anatomy" with superheroes.

[sinewave]

Dr.Mid-nite? Limited or continuious series?

either/or. it could start as a mini and then turn continous if it sells.

[The Question]

I just sent a pitch. Basically just a rough outline of what I thought would make an interesting book. Nothing specific, just the idea of basing a comic around him and his practice with a few cameos from the likes of Mr. Teriffic and other JSAers and various heroes. Kind of a "House"/"Grey's Anatomy" with superheroes.


It should have Mr. Terrific and Dr. Midnight going into a practice together. And it should have crazy nurses and assitants, like on scrubs. Not Grey's Anatomy. Scrubs. :o


And of course, they fight crime and stuff.



Anyway, I doubt DC would accept the idea unless you were trying to get hired as a writer.

[OA blaster]

DC comics meets SCRUBS.......i think i would spend my money on something else....maybe the dentist

[sinewave]

It should have Mr. Terrific and Dr. Midnight going into a practice together. And it should have crazy nurses and assitants, like on scrubs. Not Grey's Anatomy. Scrubs. :o


And of course, they fight crime and stuff.



Anyway, I doubt DC would accept the idea unless you were trying to get hired as a writer.

wacky nurses, ala Scrubs, while funny, wouldn't really fit the vibe i was thinking of for that book.

yeah, i just wanted to be able to say that i at least pitched the idea to them. i really don't expect them to publish it and send me gobs of money for it... unless they want to. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

You want wacky hospital staff, you should look to Green Wing, not Scrubs. The Scrubs people are the very picture of normalcy compared to the Green Wing psychos.

[The Question]

DC comics meets SCRUBS.......i think i would spend my money on something else....maybe the dentist

Scrubs is the light and the way. :o

wacky nurses, ala Scrubs, while funny, wouldn't really fit the vibe i was thinking of for that book.

I'm not saying that they should be the center of the book. They should just bring the funny when necessairy. A book should always be able to bring the funny from time to time. Even Batman.

[sinewave]

Scrubs is the light and the way. :o



I'm not saying that they should be the center of the book. They should just bring the funny when necessairy. A book should always be able to bring the funny from time to time. Even Batman.

maybe some of pieter's gang-member orderlies could provide the wackiness. like that dude with the tophat, for instance.

[sinewave]

You want wacky hospital staff, you should look to Green Wing, not Scrubs. The Scrubs people are the very picture of normalcy compared to the Green Wing psychos.

what's Green Wing? is it a british show?

[The Question]

See? Tophats are instantly amuisng. :o

[sinewave]

See? Tophats are instantly amuisng. :o

sometimes even sexy.

http://www.serendipityartsales.com/images/small/ZATANNA%202.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the first thing that springs to mind when I see that picture is, "My, what a lovely top hat she has there."
what's Green Wing? is it a british show?
Yes. A f***ing hilarious British show.

[sinewave]

Yeah, the first thing that springs to mind when I see that picture is, "My, what a lovely top hat she has there."

Yes. A f***ing hilarious British show.

I didn't know that the British did comedy? Why wasn't I told about this? :mad:

[The Question]

sometimes even sexy.

http://www.serendipityartsales.com/images/small/ZATANNA%202.jpg

Don't see anything.


EDIT: Wait. Now I do. Very nice. Tophat, that is.

[OA blaster]

sometimes even sexy.

http://www.serendipityartsales.com/images/small/ZATANNA%202.jpg

make this the cover and it will sell out in seconds

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't know that the British did comedy? Why wasn't I told about this? The British invented comedy. It's true. Check your history books; no one ever laughed before England was consolidated into a single nation.
Don't see anything.
Alas for you. :oldrazz:

[sinewave]

The British invented comedy. It's true. Check your history books; no one ever laughed before England was consolidated into a single nation.

Well, I guess they did have Benny Hill and his cheeky brand of humor, but I thought that's where it ended.

[TheCorpulent1]

Um, hello? Fawlty Towers? Monty Python? Mr. Bean? Black f***ing Adder? Come on, dude.

[sinewave]

Um, hello? Fawlty Towers? Monty Python? Mr. Bean? Black f***ing Adder? Come on, dude.

Monty who?

[TheCorpulent1]

I will throw quarters at you until you die.

[OA blaster]

Monty who?

life of brain, meaning of life....go to a bloody video shop and ask at the counter or download them from the internet

[The Question]

Monty who?


Blasphemous cur. Have some spam! :mad: (http://spampythonmonty.ytmnd.com/)

[sinewave]

man, you guys are gullible.

fave brittish sitcom: spaced, followed by the office.

[TheCorpulent1]

My favorite Flying Circus bit was the one with the parrot.

[OA blaster]

Monty who?

you sicken me

[The Question]

My favorite Flying Circus bit was the one with the parrot.

http://parrot.ytmnd.com/

[sinewave]

you sicken me

are you hitting on me?

[OA blaster]

man, you guys are gullible.

fave brittish sitcom: spaced, followed by the office.

"you're only making things worse for yourselve"

[TheCorpulent1]

http://parrot.ytmnd.com/ Hehe, brilliant.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Because we havent seen any of those before.

nothing wrong with having more..

[GoldenAgeHero]

week 25

Written by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid; Breakdowns by Keith Giffen; Art by various; Backup features by Waid and various; Covers by J.G. Jones

The story of the year continues in four more chapters of America's only weekly super-hero adventure!

IN THIS ISSUE: "That's — the Black Marvel Family?"

Plus, the Origin of Nightwing by Waid and George Pérez!

52: A year without Superman; a year without Batman; a year without Wonder Woman…but not a year without heroes.


DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.50 US

On Sale October 25, 2006

.......the whole expansion of the marvel family is getting anoying. turn mary marvel black or something. i hope its nothing stupid, "there was a white shazam and a black shazam, the black shazam did'nt want whitey having all the fun, so he started his own black marvel family"

[MyPokerShirt]

um... *whispers*i think it's referring to Black Adam's marvel family? not a black marvel family... i dunno.

Anyway i didnt enjoy the latest issue of 52. i'm not too sure why. it whizzed by as usual but i'm reading them now thinking: when is something good gonna happen?? something to progress the overall stroy a bit more and a few more fights please. that's why we read superhero books.
i'll keep reading but i'm officially enjoying civil war more now and before this was my naughty little pleasure. the DC book that :o i was actually enjoying above any marvel ones. i hope it grabs me a bit more next week.

[GoldenAgeHero]

um... *whispers*i think it's referring to Black Adam's marvel family? not a black marvel family... i dunno.

Anyway i didnt enjoy the latest issue of 52. i'm not too sure why. it whizzed by as usual but i'm reading them now thinking: when is something good gonna happen?? something to progress the overall stroy a bit more and a few more fights please. that's why we read superhero books.
i'll keep reading but i'm officially enjoying civil war more now and before this was my naughty little pleasure. the DC book that :o i was actually enjoying above any marvel ones. i hope it grabs me a bit more next week.


.................sighs.

[Shawkur]

He and Dr. Midnight should have a buddy cop style comics. Except, instead of cops they're doctors who also fight crime.

Ive always wanted to see a mini or two that showed Mr. Terrific and Dr. Midnight havent strayed from their original goals; Mr. Terrific to be an inspiration to urban youth and Dr. Midnight to be the crusading Doctor of the underclass. The villain could be an evil pharmaceutical corporation that fronts street gangs to sell their test products or something. Throw in a couple super-powered thugs in for good measure and stir.

[yenaled]

I went on Holiday for a week so got to read two issues of 52 yesterday instead of just one and really loved the stories. I find Dr. Magnus story very interesting and Question is just so excellent in this series. As always I just can't wait to see where Ralphs story is going.

Still Steels story isn't great.

[TheCorpulent1]

week 25

Written by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid; Breakdowns by Keith Giffen; Art by various; Backup features by Waid and various; Covers by J.G. Jones

The story of the year continues in four more chapters of America's only weekly super-hero adventure!

IN THIS ISSUE: "That's — the Black Marvel Family?"

Plus, the Origin of Nightwing by Waid and George Pérez!

52: A year without Superman; a year without Batman; a year without Wonder Woman…but not a year without heroes.


DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.50 US

On Sale October 25, 2006

.......the whole expansion of the marvel family is getting anoying. turn mary marvel black or something. i hope its nothing stupid, "there was a white shazam and a black shazam, the black shazam did'nt want whitey having all the fun, so he started his own black marvel family"
Where do you see anything about white Shazams and black Shazams in there? :confused:

[Varient]

Ahem.....


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Jsa76.jpg
lol

very good,.. I liked how you did that.

I think he's overlooked simply because he's underplayed,... Like Forge in Xmen Mythos,..

Anyway,.. This reminds me that I wish they had not killed off Amazing Man.

[trustyside-kick]

Hey, I am not a huge Captain Marvel fan but I have wondered ever since I read Week 12 about how he was acting...Is that normal? Captain Marvel in Week 12 really freaked me out. :eek:

[Archangel]

He's going a little bit nuts because he just inherited all the power of the wizard Shazam. So no, not normal.

[trustyside-kick]

He's going a little bit nuts because he just inherited all the power of the wizard Shazam. So no, not normal.

But how and when did he inherit all the power of Shazam?

[Archangel]

I think it all went to him when the Spectre went rogue and killed Shazam. I'm not 100% positive though, I didn't read the Day of Vengence mini that it happened in.

[trustyside-kick]

I think it all went to him when the Spectre went rogue and killed Shazam. I'm not 100% positive though, I didn't read the Day of Vengence mini that it happened it.

Oh...I was planning on checking out Day of Vengance...I will check it out so I can have all the blanks filled. Thank you Archangle. :up:

[marcofthebeast]

The Rock of Eternity was shattered the peiced it back together but the only thing that could keep the wild magic calm was Captain Marvels pressence so he took the throne as wizard.

[trustyside-kick]

I had access to Day of Vengeance but just now finally read it. It was amazing. But one question...is there an issue where Captain Marvel gets his power back and takes throne of the fortress? I thought those 7 sins were brought back into the world...but isn't he talking to the same statues of those 7 sins in 52? :confused:

[Purple Man]

Gotta get the Day of Vengeance Special.

Six issues and a special for each mini. DC will own your mind and your wallet!

[marcofthebeast]

Day of Vengeance Aftermath shows how they rebuild The Rock Of Eternity and recapture the Seven Deadly Sins.

[GoldenAgeHero]

holy shnity!! holy shnit!! holy shnit!!

booster gold is dead, he got killed while lifting up a nuclear sub that was leaking radiation within the metroplois area. he did this after having a pretty good fight with supernova(and no supernova ain't clark kent, poor booster. skeets,clark and supernova all saw what he did and what he turned into after the explosion


rip

in other news looks like steel has new power now. that liquid metal, is that new power, he has the ability at will to turn his skin into liquid metal. it gives him super strength and makes him indestructable. talk about being luke cage.

[Fledermaus]

It's not really a spoiler if you look at the cover. Did any one else notice how chummy Clark and Supernova were? Odd, I think.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i think supernova is pete ross clark's best friend from smallvilla.

[The Question]

holy shnity!! holy shnit!! holy shnit!!

booster gold is dead, he got killed while lifting up a nuclear sub that was leaking radiation within the metroplois area. he did this after having a pretty good fight with supernova(and no supernova ain't clark kent, poor booster. skeets,clark and supernova all saw what he did and what he turned into after the explosion


rip

in other news looks like steel has new power now. that liquid metal, is that new power, he has the ability at will to turn his skin into liquid metal. it gives him super strength and makes him indestructable. talk about being luke cage.





No. No. No no no no no no NO!!!!!



NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! (http://darthno.ytmnd.com/)



Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. :(

[MyPokerShirt]

smallvilla. That the spanish version?

[yenaled]

I think Supernova is Lar Gand not from Smallvilla.

[The Question]

I think Supernova is Lar Gand not from Smallvilla.


Isn't he in an interdimensional prison in the present of the DCU?

[MyPokerShirt]

^for killing booster gold? Damned straight. Anyway i think booster was pulled out of time and replaced with a corpse *crosses fingers* Thereby linking the 52 event to time travel, booster being a natural extension of that.
why is DC on this run of killing characters? Is it always like this?? only really read 52...

[yenaled]

Isn't he in an interdimensional prison in the present of the DCU?

I'm not sure that after the last Legion reboot Lar Gand/Mon-El/M'Onel/Valor has shown up.

[supermarvelman]

It seems very possible for them to eventually bring Booster back somehow, since he is a time traveller. Kinda like what PokerShirt said.

[hippie_hunter]

So. How many members of the Justice League International are left?

Blue Beetle...dead. Ice...dead. Dr Fate...dead. Booster Gold...dead. Both Crimson Foxes...dead. Maxwell Lord...dead. Sue Dibny...dead. Maxima...dead. Captain Atom...dead. Rocket Red...dead. Triumph...dead. Silver Sorceress...dead. General Glory...dead.

Whose next? Guy Gardner? Power Girl? Mr. Miracle? Dr. Light?

Let me tell you: I'd hate to be a member of that incarnation of the Justice League :o

[supermarvelman]

Those four will not die, especially Guy Gardener and Power Girl.

[The Question]

So. How many members of the Justice League International are left?

Blue Beetle...dead. Ice...dead. Dr Fate...dead. Booster Gold...dead. Both Crimson Foxes...dead. Maxwell Lord...dead. Sue Dibny...dead. Maxima...dead. Captain Atom...dead. Rocket Red...dead. Triumph...dead. Silver Sorceress...dead. General Glory...dead.

Whose next? Guy Gardner? Power Girl? Mr. Miracle? Dr. Light?

Let me tell you: I'd hate to be a member of that incarnation of the Justice League :o


I miss booster and Beetle already. And Ted never got a chance to pair up with a really hot super heroin like Power Girl like he deserved. :(

[hippie_hunter]

I miss booster and Beetle already. And Ted never got a chance to pair up with a really hot super heroin like Power Girl like he deserved. :(

At least Ted got to "cyber do-it" with Babs :up:

[The Question]

At least Ted got to "cyber do-it" with Babs :up:


Meh. Not quite the same. Ted should have hooked up with Power Girl, I think. They always had nice interaction, I think they would have made a good couple, and being a geek who never got any in high school, he deserved a hot girl like Karen. And now, I can never root for my favorite underdog again. Sometimes I really hate Dan Didio. Sometimes. :(

[Darthphere]

Spoiler tag hell!

[Mister J]

I wanted to get in on all the spoilers fun...

So apparantly jailors in Khandaq don't mind whipping a little ass. I'm curious to see how Black Adam and Isis play into this.

Nice writing in Skeets' announcing that there were be a carjacking and a power outage (both of which Booster was eventually responsible for). :up:

As for Booster, I just don't care. I feel somehow that damn glory hound will be back and if any one of the leads in 52 gets offed, it'll be a character I can actually stand and wouldn't mind seeing more of, like The Question. :down.

[hippie_hunter]

Spoiler tag hell!

You just ruined it dillhole, you're supposed to say that in spoiler tags :mad:


From now on, I declare that everyone who posts in this thread must post in spoiler tags, no matter what :mad:

[hippie_hunter]

I wanted to get in on all the spoilers fun...

So apparantly jailors in Khandaq don't mind whipping a little ass. I'm curious to see how Black Adam and Isis play into this.

Nice writing in Skeets' announcing that there were be a carjacking and a power outage (both of which Booster was eventually responsible for). :up:

As for Booster, I just don't care. I feel somehow that damn glory hound will be back and if any one of the leads in 52 gets offed, it'll be a character I can actually stand, like The Question. :down.

No way! For some reason DC is having a blast with killing off the former Justice League International.

Maybe Batman is next :eek:

[The Question]

I wanted to get in on all the spoilers fun...

So apparantly jailors in Khandaq don't mind whipping a little ass. I'm curious to see how Black Adam and Isis play into this.

Nice writing in Skeets' announcing that there were be a carjacking and a power outage (both of which Booster was eventually responsible for). :up:

As for Booster, I just don't care. I feel somehow that damn glory hound will be back and if any one of the leads in 52 gets offed, it'll be a character I can actually stand, like The Question. :down.


If Q bought it, that would be worse than Booster. But still, I'll miss his and Beetle's antics. And I'm especially pissed at DC for erasing the Super Buddies from continuity. Booster's sham wedding was so in character for him. :(

[hippie_hunter]

If Q bought it, that would be worse than Booster. But still, I'll miss his and Beetle's antics. And I'm especially pissed at DC for erasing the Super Buddies from continuity. Booster's sham wedding was so in character for him. :(

They erased Super Buddies out of continuity? Why? There was no need to it fit perfectly in DCU continuity and caused no continuity problems like Superboy Prime did

[The Question]

I'm not entirely sure, but no reference to Booster's wife was made in recent comics, and I readc on Wiki that it was retconned by Emoboy Prime. :mad:

[hippie_hunter]

I'm not entirely sure, but no reference to Booster's wife was made in recent comics, and I readc on Wiki that it was retconned by Emoboy Prime. :mad:

F**king Emoboy Prime :mad: :mad:

[Mister J]

No way! For some reason DC is having a blast with killing off the former Justice League International.
They better not kill Fire! :mad:

Maybe Batman is next :eek: Wasn't that crazy ex-cop/fake Batman a couple of weeks ago enough? I don't think he died, but wasn't it still enough?:(

They should have never given us this spoiler button. It's too easy. :o

[The Question]

F**king Emoboy Prime :mad: :mad:

Amen, brother. Amen.

They better not kill Fire! :mad:

Or Power Girl, or Black Canary, or J'onn, or Elongated Man, or Guy. :(




You know, I think we passed the need for spoiler tags a whole ago. :O

[hippie_hunter]

Amen, brother. Amen.



Or Power Girl, or Black Canary, or J'onn, or Elongated Man, or Guy. :(




You know, I think we passed the need for spoiler tags a whole ago. :O

Sorry, but posting in spoiler tags must continue on for the remainder of this thread. So I decree

[The Question]

Makes sense to me. :)

[BrianWilly]

I don't really believe for one second that this is the end of Booster. Narratively it makes no sense; it's the sort of silliness that lesser writers would pull, not these guys. Nope...I've still got that faith.

[Varient]

week 25

Written by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid; Breakdowns by Keith Giffen; Art by various; Backup features by Waid and various; Covers by J.G. Jones

The story of the year continues in four more chapters of America's only weekly super-hero adventure!

IN THIS ISSUE: "That's — the Black Marvel Family?"

Plus, the Origin of Nightwing by Waid and George Pérez!

52: A year without Superman; a year without Batman; a year without Wonder Woman…but not a year without heroes.


DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.50 US

On Sale October 25, 2006

.......the whole expansion of the marvel family is getting anoying. turn mary marvel black or something. i hope its nothing stupid, "there was a white shazam and a black shazam, the black shazam did'nt want whitey having all the fun, so he started his own black marvel family"
Shocked surprize,..............

[Varient]

holy shnity!! holy shnit!! holy shnit!!

booster gold is dead, he got killed while lifting up a nuclear sub that was leaking radiation within the metroplois area. he did this after having a pretty good fight with supernova(and no supernova ain't clark kent, poor booster. skeets,clark and supernova all saw what he did and what he turned into after the explosion


rip

in other news looks like steel has new power now. that liquid metal, is that new power, he has the ability at will to turn his skin into liquid metal. it gives him super strength and makes him indestructable. talk about being luke cage.
Sigh.

[Doc Destruction]

Don't sigh. Nothing is ever as it seems with time travel stories.

[yenaled]

I'm about 80% sure Booster's death is a beautifully worked out publicity stunt.

[Varient]

Don't sigh. Nothing is ever as it seems with time travel stories.
I will try to wait and see,................

[Lord Blackbolt]

Personally I think Booster faked his whole thing. Nothing makes people respect a hero more than when he gives his life to save people

[Fledermaus]

You know, your probably right. How does Booster time travel? Is it self-contained, does he have a phone booth or a Delorean or what?
He could have leaped out right before the sub blew, Then BAM!!! Instant self-sacrficing hero. And I didn't use spoilers. Everybody that has the issue or gives a damn already knows what happened.

[The Question]

I think the Time Travel equipment is contained inside Skeets.

[Doc Destruction]

I'm about 80% sure Booster's death is a beautifully worked out publicity stunt.

Couldn't agree more.

[PWN3R]

Skeets seemed confused though, I dunno.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Skeets seemed confused though, I dunno.

yeah thats what i was saying tomyself. and given the comments from dan didio in this article (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80918), it seems like booster is really dead. sorry folks.

[PWN3R]

I liked Booster.:(

[yenaled]

If he's actually dead and not coming back...

I can't actually begin to explain how pissed off I am.

[The Question]

Riding down the highway to heaven. :( (http://dcroadtrip.ytmnd.com/)




Sorry for the crappy music, by the way. :o

[PWN3R]

If he's actually dead and not coming back...

I can't actually begin to explain how pissed off I am.


Well, there is hope – the repercussions of the death will play through the remainder of 52, and although this is the conclusion of character, it’s not the conclusion of his story.


:( :( :(

[Shawkur]

in other news looks like steel has new power now. that liquid metal, is that new power, he has the ability at will to turn his skin into liquid metal. it gives him super strength and makes him indestructable. talk about being luke cage.

Seems more like Colossus to me. Anyway, I thought his new power was going to be that he could absorb tech including his armor into his body. That would be much more original and still allow him to display his tech genius in his superheroics, even allowing him to create new tech "suits" on the fly.

[BrianWilly]

I don't know why people are thinking that what Didio said proves Booster is definitively dead.
NRAMA: To wrap this up, despite what you’ve said and where you’re leading, is there any hope left for Booster fans that you can speak of?

DD: It depends upon what your definition of “hope” is…

NRAMA: Well, Mr. Clinton, what is the hope that people can take from Booster’s death?

DD: Well, there is hope – the repercussions of the death will play through the remainder of 52, and although this is the conclusion of character, it’s not the conclusion of his story.To me that sounds pretty dang open to interpretation.

Yes, he confirmed that Booster did actually die in this issue. And he also made it pretty clear that this isn't the whole story. Considering how "this isn't the whole story" usually ends in comics, I'm not quite ready to pronounce him dead forever yet. At the least, we're just back in square one.

[deathshead2]

I think booster gold is supernova.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i doubt he's booster gold.

and i don't think we're back at square one brain willy. i can see what dan is saying about the repercussions. i think those reppecussions are somehow due to booster gold coming to the present and knowingly ****ing up events thatwas supposed to happened in his future. like the old saying goes, if youever travel back into the past, make sure not to do anything stupid that it could change the future of where you come from, which is exactly what booster has done.

[deathshead2]

Well I can't think of anyone else.

[Darthphere]

Well that issue sucked.

[Darthphere]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2019/dandidio1lw7.jpg

[SonOfCthulhu]

At least Booster and Beetle are together now.







Bwaa-haa-haa-haa-ha

[Xofenroht]

At least Booster and Beetle are together now.







Bwaa-haa-haa-haa-ha

*sniff*:(

[hippie_hunter]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2019/dandidio1lw7.jpg

The captions should be changed from "It's time to save the world from itself" into something like kill all the members of the former JLI :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Poor Booster. The Boostinator. Boosteriffic. Booster Claus. The Boostmeister.

I wouldn't have been surprised to find that Supernova was an older, wiser Booster who was ashamed of his younger, opportunistic self, as deathshead guessed. This issue pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that theory, though. (Tee-hee, I made a pun.)

[The Question]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2019/dandidio1lw7.jpg




That bastard. :(



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/snarkfive/3366_4_24.jpg



JLI forever. :(

[Doc Destruction]

I miss that team :(

[Darthphere]

Thank Didio for that.

[hippie_hunter]

That bastard. :(



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/snarkfive/3366_4_24.jpg



JLI forever. :(

$20 says that Animal Man is the next to go :up:

[Darthphere]

Poor Booster. The Boostinator. Boosteriffic. Booster Claus. The Boostmeister.

I wouldn't have been surprised to find that Supernova was an older, wiser Booster who was ashamed of his younger, opportunistic self, as deathshead guessed. This issue pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that theory, though. (Tee-hee, I made a pun.)


I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case really. On the other hand, maybe Didio thought Booster was "redundant" the same way he found Nightwing to be "redundant".

[Darthphere]

$20 says that Animal Man is the next to go :up:


Nobodoy in that picture is safe except for WW and bats.

[Mee]

Nobodoy in that picture is safe except for WW and bats.
And Flash--oh wait...:(

[SonOfCthulhu]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/snarkfive/3366_4_24.jpg



JLI forever. :(

*/raises glass

Here's to the JLI! May the next Crisis bring them all back.

[marcofthebeast]

Hhhmmmm... What if that Booster wasn't the real one, What if he was never intended to be the current Booster. Let's say the mature post-beetles death Booster laid low for awhile, and another cocky era Booster came back from the future. Like someone said two Booster could explain why time is ****ed up. Hell skeets could have been a part of it. But i'm just pulling theories out of my ass. I don't think that we're completley done with Bosster Gold yet. It's funny at Newsarama everybody is ****ting there pants over this.

[hippie_hunter]

*/raises glass

Here's to the JLI! May the next Crisis bring them all back.

Or kill the rest :o

[hippie_hunter]

Nobodoy in that picture is safe except for WW and bats.

Batman and Wonder Woman have been killed before

[Mee]

They could never stay dead though.

[hippie_hunter]

They could never stay dead though.

Yeah, they were brought back to life within a couple of issues. Though technically, they were dead for thousands of years

[Knives122]

Well hopefully Booster Gold can.........

[Mee]

I like Booster. And Didio's been on this minor character killing rampage since Identity Crisis, it needs to stop.

[marcofthebeast]

DC has also been on a minor character glorifiying rampage since Identity Crisis, It needs to continue.

[Darthphere]

DC has also been on a minor character glorifiying rampage since Identity Crisis, It needs to continue.


Really? Like who?

[hippie_hunter]

DC has also been on a minor character glorifiying rampage since Identity Crisis, It needs to continue.

How is killing off no-names like Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Sue Dibny, Booster Gold, Bushido, Pantha, Wildebeast, Jack Drake, Jade, Vulko, and others glorifying?

[Mee]

Yeah Wonder Woman is hated by the world and not even Wonder Woman at the moment, Batman's prep time almost killed the League again, Superman...is tyring to be inspiring again? Not alot of glory if you ask me.

[marcofthebeast]

52 is DC's big book right now, starring b-list characters. Blue Beetle did die but he went down as a hero. Characters die in a story, that will never change as long as the stories are good whats to complain about? I guess thats just me.

[The Question]

Because they keep killing off good characters who haven't had a chance instead of giving them better stories.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Because they keep killing off good characters who haven't had a chance instead of giving them better stories.

so? that does'nt mean DC can't kill them off. I liked booster gold, I was real shocked he died the way he did. but it's really not a big deal, now if adam strange kicks the bucket I'm going to get pissed, his mini last year was freakin awesome.

[marcofthebeast]

Because they keep killing off good characters who haven't had a chance instead of giving them better stories.

I agree with you that most of them had a lot of intresting stories left in them. I just find it annoying that some people feel that DC, Marvel or any other company has to be all things to everyone. Some people for some reason expect to like everything and when it falls short of it they ***** and moan. Was there a time when everything that DC was putting out was awesome? I doubt it, why expect it to be any different. That said I think DC is better now then it has been for a few years. Take what you can get 'cause it could be a lot worse.

I'll leave it open for anyone to bash me... My Lunch Awaits.

[Darthphere]

so? that does'nt mean DC can't kill them off. I liked booster gold, I was real shocked he died the way he did. but it's really not a big deal, now if adam strange kicks the bucket I'm going to get pissed, his mini last year was freakin awesome.


You just made his point.:confused:

[The Question]

so? that does'nt mean DC can't kill them off. I liked booster gold, I was real shocked he died the way he did. but it's really not a big deal, now if adam strange kicks the bucket I'm going to get pissed, his mini last year was freakin awesome.

Oh, they can kill them off. But they shouldn't, and I'm allowed to be mad about it.

[Darthphere]

I agree with you that most of them had a lot of intresting stories left in them. I just find it annoying that some people feel that DC, Marvel or any other company has to be all things to everyone. Some people for some reason expect to like everything and when it falls short of it they ***** and moan. Was there a time when everything that DC was putting out was awesome? I doubt it, why expect it to be any different. That said I think DC is better now then it has been for a few years. Take what you can get 'cause it could be a lot worse.

I'll leave it open for anyone to bash me... My Lunch Awaits.


Fact is every character has a fan, and a character gets ****ed, someone is going to *****. Its the way of life.

[The Question]

I agree with you that most of them had a lot of intresting stories left in them. I just find it annoying that some people feel that DC, Marvel or any other company has to be all things to everyone.

No one here said anything to that effect. :confused:

Some people for some reason expect to like everything and when it falls short of it they ***** and moan.

Don't they have thr right to complain about things they don't like?

Was there a time when everything that DC was putting out was awesome? I doubt it, why expect it to be any different.

No one here does. But that doesn't give DC the excuse top screw over good characters like this.

That said I think DC is better now then it has been for a few years. Take what you can get 'cause it could be a lot worse.

That's a really bad way to look at it. If we don't like something, we're entitled to. Sure, some fans get hung up over little things. But the death of a character isn't a little thing.

[marcofthebeast]

Fact is every character has a fan, and a character gets ****ed, someone is going to *****. Its the way of life.

Yeah, I know... But I think, a character being written bad ( Example: Nightwing) is a lot worse than a character just dying. A character can comeback to life, A ****ty story can never be forgotten.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I know... But I think, a character being written bad ( Example: Nightwing) is a lot worse than a character just dying. A character can comeback to life, A ****ty story can never be forgotten.


How does this tie-in to Booster at all?

[marcofthebeast]

That's a really bad way to look at it. If we don't like something, we're entitled to. Sure, some fans get hung up over little things. But the death of a character isn't a little thing.

I love comics, I just don't take things like death in comics so seriously.

How does this tie-in to Booster at all?

It ties in as much as the last few post has. It has more to do with characters in general.

[toya thegr8]

Comics have become scary as of late. Look at it this way like all the other Jean Greys in comicdom, he can return via a "brand spanking new and back from the future" plot.

[Darthphere]

But were talking specifically about Booster, how does it tie-in. There were clearly opportunites for more stories, and he had a fanbase.

[marcofthebeast]

People have stoped talking about Booster Gold specifcally when they started mentioning all the other deaths that have happened. I sure as hell didn't start this character death mess. Wish I hadn't jumped in at all.

[toya thegr8]

But were talking specifically about Booster, how does it tie-in. There were clearly opportunites for more stories, and he had a fanbase.

Well that sucks, and I wasn't buying Dan D.'s reson for killing the character. But, I'm just optimistic enough to think that someone will want him back and will bring him back. Not right now, but down the line.

How big is his fanbase anyways? ;)

[Darthphere]

Decently big. Id say a lot bigger than lets say a Montoya fanbase.

[Mee]

I'd rather have a live Booster than a new Batwoman, or Jason Todd.

[Darthphere]

I'd rather have a live Booster than a new Batwoman, or Jason Todd.


I hear that.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I'd rather have a live Booster than a new Batwoman, or Jason Todd.

yeah wtf is up with that, you kill off a character with a good fanbase, yet introduce some freakin lame ass character whom no one gives a damn about, because shes representing some PC bull****.

[Darthphere]

yeah wtf is up with that, you kill off a character with a good fanbase, yet introduce some freakin lame ass character whom no one gives a damn about, because shes representing some PC bull****.


Yay! GAH and I agree on something!

[Mee]

yeah wtf is up with that, you kill off a character with a good fanbase, yet introduce some freakin lame ass character whom no one gives a damn about, because shes representing some PC bull****.
Don't forget the part where they bring back a character the fans voted to have killed. Make him a bad guy, then turn him into an octopus.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I know... But I think, a character being written bad ( Example: Nightwing) is a lot worse than a character just dying. A character can comeback to life, A ****ty story can never be forgotten.
Of course bad stories can be forgotten. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman have all survived more than their fair share of crappy stories, and people are generally pretty good about picking out the ones that are true to the character from the ones that aren't. To use your own example, Nightwing is still a beloved character and most people are already just ignoring the current story and waiting for Wolfman to come on in the hopes that Wolfman, who's had a major hand in his development before, will understand the character better than Jones and deliver a better story. Someone on one of those billion TV specials that were on just before Superman Returns came out said that Superman has been so successful because he's had the strength to survive his own history. That applies to almost all of the major characters, really. People will ***** about the bad when it's happening, but they'll remember the good runs long after they're finished.

[sinewave]

Of course bad stories can be forgotten. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman have all survived more than their fair share of crappy stories, and people are generally pretty good about picking out the ones that are true to the character from the ones that aren't. To use your own example, Nightwing is still a beloved character and most people are already just ignoring the current story and waiting for Wolfman to come on in the hopes that Wolfman, who's had a major hand in his development before, will understand the character better than Jones and deliver a better story. Someone on one of those billion TV specials that were on just before Superman Returns came out said that Superman has been so successful because he's had the strength to survive his own history. That applies to almost all of the major characters, really. People will ***** about the bad when it's happening, but they'll remember the good runs long after they're finished.

Then how do you explain the amount of fanboy griping about Hal Jordan's turn as Parallax and Jade's infidelities? Those were poor storylines that damaged those characters' reputations, and we all know that most fans haven't let them live those missteps down.

[TheCorpulent1]

I said "almost all of the major characters." Jade's not a major character and many Hal fans have gotten over his turn as Parallax. I thought it wasn't a bad story myself until Johns undid it, allowing Hal to get off scot-free. Others feel the opposite way and love Hal now because the story was retconned. Either way, Hal has his Silver Age reputation and status quo back in the current comics.

[Varient]

Then how do you explain the amount of fanboy griping about Hal Jordan's turn as Parallax and Jade's infidelities? Those were poor storylines that damaged those characters' reputations, and we all know that most fans haven't let them live those missteps down.
The gripes involving Jade have been properly addressed.

Hal Jordan?

nah,.. I still don't like how they brought him back,.... without punishing him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, death is always the proper way to address cheating whores. :up:

[Fledermaus]

Well, that's something we can all agree on.

[Doc Destruction]

While the main event of this week's 52 #15 has been, and is being discussed to death (heh...there's a pun for you), and DC Executive Editor Dan Didio threw himself in front of the bullet yesterday, 52 editor Stephen Wacker was left kinda twliddling his thumbs when it came to this week's regular Q&A. So - rather than using Steve's 8th grade essay on why Charles Dickens "rawked" as filler, we pulled out 52 reader questions, and Steve pulled out a Rucka.

Read on.

All right, you gang-of-high-speed-wireless jackals, we have a special guest this week straight out of my drawer here in the office where I keep the “writers”.

You may know him as the man who puts the Gotham in Gotham Central; the Mate in Checkmate and the Queen in Queen and Country, say hello to the surliest writer in the West, Greg Rucka.

He’s here to help me answer your 52 questions culled from the opinion dungeon that is Newsarama.

Greg: Mornin’, Sarge.

Wacker: Mornin’, Greg.

Greg: I have a joke before we go.

Wacker: Go.

Greg: What’s the difference between Civil War and the guy from N’Sync?

Wacker: Ohh-KAY! We’ll stop there. Onto the questions! 52 of ‘em folks. Prepare to parse words and assume the worst!

1) Who is Renee Montoya?

Steve Wacker: Exactly who you think she is. Former cop. Current alcoholic. Carrying a lot of guilt around after the death of her partner.

Greg Rucka: Or, according to Sarge Wacker, she’s “Maddie” to Vic’s “Dave.” For you young’uns, that’s a Moonlighting reference. Go check the IMDB.

SW: Stop now and go pick up Gotham Central: Half a Life for a good starting point for Renee. Greg and Brubaker’s work on that book (including several amazing artists like Michael Lark, Cliff Chiang and Kano) is life-reaffirming stuff.

2) What are the Machine Wars? Will L-Ron be involved?

SW: I was as surprised to read that as you were. I have no idea, but I loved it in the script.

And L-Ron is hanging with Tom Cruise.

3) Max Lord - Has he been totally ret-conned into being evil? Or, could there have been someone else in his head? The Construct? Dreamslayer? Kilg%re? Lord Havok?

SW:No one was in his head. It was all Max going too far to get what he wanted. Just like in his origin story. Evil is in the eye of the beholder. He didn’t see it that way.

GR: Wait…what does this have to do with 52? Sarge, did I miss a meeting? Did Grant find a way to bring back Max and put him in 52? First L-Ron, now Max…hmm…I sense a conspiracy…

SW: You missed a few meetings. We’re actually done. And we made Renee into Supernova.

4) Re: Booster. Why are you messing with the JLI fans so much? (GR: Because you make it so easy….) I guess I should've realized that once Ted got his brains blown out it was all over. (GR: Oh, come now…there are plenty of ‘em left for us to kill. Really, give us a little more credit.) Anyway, when this is all done, can we finally get a Blue & Gold mini by Giffen & DeMatteis?

SW: It’d have to take place in the past if we did it. I love the JLI too, but nothing lasts forever. I’m glad we could tell one final Booster story, one last shot of glory saving Metropolis. Skeets is still around though…for now.

5) In what issue will we find out what "52" means?

SW: When were done, you’ll hopefully realize the answer was in every issue in one way or another.

6) Why is it called the Cult of Conner instead of The Cult of Superboy (um, other than alliteration, of course)? Is Superboy's secret ID out now, or just half out? And if it's all the way out, how come nobody's figured out Superman's secret ID?

SW: Go back and check. No one publicly calls it the Cult of Conner. It’s simply known to most people as a Superboy Cult.

7) How come Renee Montoya is the only character in the whole series who gets to narrate her scenes? It seems...weird. I LIKE the narration okay, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, big picture wise.

SW: That’s on purpose because it’s in character for her (as she’s been presented in the DCU). It was in our initial plan actually to give her scenes a different tone, to purposefully keep her as the main first person voice. However, we do get a couple other brief narrations in the series (one of them already happened a few weeks ago)

GR: There’s a further reason for this – Montoya’s story starts very much in the “hard-boiled PI” mold, and that lends itself to a first-person narration, and that’s something all of us wanted to pay homage to with her story. Go read some Raymond Chandler, you’ll see what we’re talking about.

8) Will that temporary, mini-League we saw (Green Lantern and Arrow, Metamorpho and Zauriel) stay on Ralph's trail, or was that a one-off mission?

SW: One-off. New JLA is in week 24.

GR: Or when Brad Meltzer finally lets us see his book….

SW: One short week left.

9) Any Rex the Wonder Dog?

SW: Hmm…Supernova needs a partner…Yo, Waid!

10) Any chance we'll be seeing any of the following in 52 or the DCU?
Batman Beyond?

SW: No.

Hawk & Dove (or any directly related characters)?

SW: No.

Wally West (He's SuperNova isn't he?)

SW: Yes….Gah! Damn you, Internet!

Arsenal?

SW: No. But in someplace else very soon.

Norman Mckay?

SW: Alex Ross is doing covers and co-plotting some issues of Justice Society of America. Make of that what you will.

11) The solicit for Week 21 has "Special full-length story!" where the others list what origin will be done this issue. What origin can we look forward to?

SW: No origin this week to make room for the extra-sized story…and yet another funeral.

GR: Sarge? Why do we never have extra-pages for the “Renee drinks” issues?

12) It’s been said that week 30 is an issue written all by Grant Morrison about the Wayne Family trip around the world. Will this be the only story that issue?

SW: Not sure where that was said, but it was an error or someone was misunderstood. No issue is entirely by any one writer. We’ll see several stories that week. There’s lots to cover the week after Thanksgiving!

13) Where is L-Ron right now, in 52? I don't mean "will we see him", but, WHERE is he?

SW: What’s with the L-Ron questions?!?! Is Giffen posting here? L-Ron is Skeets. There, I said it.

GR: L-Ron will be joining Montoya in a new Metropolis: VICE series.

SW: Approved.

14) How many titles/mini series will spin out of 52?

SW: Still working that out depending on who survives and the reception to characters you haven’t seen yet. There’ll be a lot of story spinning out of this though. That’s what we’re most excited about.

GR: How about a series where me, Grant, Mark and Geoff solve murders?

SW: If Giffen is Victim #1…Approved.

15) Does Charlie/Vic have to die in order for Montoya to become the Question?

SW: Uhh…no. Try again.

GR: I can’t tell if that’s a metaphysical question, or a story one.

16) Was Sue's soul ACTUALLY in the wicker doll?

SW: Hey, did you hear about Civil War? Crazy, huh?

17) Who was the scientist with the freeze ray in #14?

GR: Grant Morrison.

18) Is Air Wave ever coming back?

SW: Nope. But I loved those old Rozakis and Saviuk Air Wave backups in Action Comics.

19) When 52 is over, will DC collect all of the 2 page origins into a single volume?

SW: That’s what I want, but nothing is set yet. We’re hoping to continue these somewhere. Anyone up for a new Who’s Who?

GR: Uggh. I hate quantification. “Occupation: Would Be World Conqueror”. Come on!

20) Why can't we have a multiverse? Why Steve, why?

SW: Too obvious.

GR: Because you’ve all been very naughty.

21) Maine really is great, isn't it?

SW: Absolutely. I favor Bar Harbor in June.

22) Which DC hero will have their base of operations in Maine?

SW: L-Ron.

23) In Iowa?

SW: Good idea. We may see Iowa in Justice Society.

24) When will we see if/when/how the wounded heroes from the space team are cured?

SW: It’ll be in the background of future issues. We already had a small visual ref a few weeks back in a newspaper article.

25) Will we ever find out why the Question hired Montoya to do legwork he could have just as easily done himself?

SW: Good Question. Perhaps he was interested in one of the earliest connections made in the case.

26) Will we see the Monitor(s) in 52?

SW: No plans right now.

GR: Just because you can’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not watching.

27) At what point does Black Adam begin wearing the hood seen at the end of Infinite Crisis?

GR: Shortly after he loses his…oh, wait…

SW: Yeah, stop there.

28) Given all that's happened to her and as a result of her death, do you think Sue would even want to come back to life?

SW: To be with Ralph she’d pose as Superno--. Damn! I did it again!

GR: Or maybe Cassie?

29) If you appeared on the Sci-Fi channel's "Who Wants to be a Super-Hero?" what would your super-hero code name be, and what powers would you have?

SW: “Move-To-37-Weeks-In-The-Future Boy”. Then I’d retire.

30) If Ambush Bug is coming, can Funky Flashman be far behind?

SW: Very far. Did you know we considered Flashman to be a major player in the lead up to Infinite Crisis at one point?

31) How/where did Devem learn so much about Krypton?

SW: WiKrypedia. Seriously, You’ll find out more in a couple months.

32) What is Devem's surname?

SW: Damn. I always have to look up what surname means. Hold on.

Okay. Back.

It’s Didio. Devem Didio.

33) Is it a coincidence that Supernova's heroic icon matches the logo used by the Galaxy Broadcasting System?

SW: Nope. Good catch.

34) Did Dr. Tyme steal 52 consecutive seconds, or 52 separate seconds?

GR: Can’t say, but you will find out. Don’t forget that beat.

35) Will Ralph Dibney return to Opal City after 52?

SW: No “e” in Dibny. (Ha! Caught one mistake! In your face, internet!)

And, No.

36) Name the pallbearers at the funeral in #18.

SW: Here’s two: Beefeater and Honest Abe. Rest are for you to figure out.

37) How many of the Four Horsemen who will end her rain have already appeared in 52?

GR: None. Yet.

38) Will we see Ralph actually using lateral thinking in any upcoming issues of 52?

SW: You tell me after you read it. Ralph’s in for a rough road. #18 will have some new background for him.

39) Will any other known, significant DCU supporting character take Luthor up on his Everyman formula and acquire super-powers?

GR: Sort of. Ask yourself out of everyone, who’d want those powers most.

40) In 52, Perry White fires Clark Kent for fumbling his job so badly. However, in the One Year Later Superman story, Parry praises Clark for what a great job he's done over the preceding year. Wassup with that?

SW: A year’s a long time. Plus, Clark’s a star by the end of that same issue.

41) We've seen Clark Kent in the one year gap, we will see Bruce Wayne and co, but will we see Wonder Woman at all?

SW: Answered this one a few weeks back. We’re trying to give Allen, Terry and Rachel as much room as possible to tell their story. The editor, Matt Idelson, just came up with a great idea to fit some WW stuff in, though, so it may happen.

42) Will Nightwing’s appearance in the first issue be explained?

SW: Nothing to explain. They’re billionaires with jets and helicopters.

43) Will Batwoman encounter Harvey Dent?

GR: Let’s flip on it…good heads says she does, bad heads says….

44) On the 52 website, on the newsmakers section there are the major 6 players of 52 and then 3 unfilled boxes.. who are they for?

SW: Check again. www.52thecomic.com

45) We have at least 1 death in 52. Will there be any resurrections…successful ones?

SW: Now come on. You know going in I’m not giving that away. Ask me about L-Ron.

GR: Giffen’s career.

SW: I swear, Keith’s going to quit one of these weeks.

46) It's several weeks later now in 52... is Hawkgirl STILL huge?

SW: Getting smaller everyday. Anyone up for “Giant-Size Hawkgirl #1”?

GR: She’s always been huge. It’s the stories that got small.

47) Has Fire given up on Ralph? At first she seemed to call him a lot but now she doesn't, even when he's hoping she will.

SW: A victim of page count. We have to assume that there was attempt at contact that we didn’t see. Fire’s offstage for now in 52, but active in Checkmate One Year Later.

GR: She’s too busy being blackmailed by Amanda Waller to make social calls.

48) Will we actually be seeing Rip Hunter appear in the pages of 52, or just his messy lab and other "hints?"

SW: Rip Hunter? You mean Isis? Oops!

Rip’s lab is coming back. I have no idea where Rip is.

GR: Or when Rip is.

Or if Rip is.

49) Should I care about Sundollar/Sundoller coffee?

SW: Only that they’re on every frigging corner now. It’s getting crazy! Look for them in Supergirl and the Legion too!

GR: They’re a front for Intergang, and - if you care about coffee, you should care about Sundollar.

50) Isn't it a little weird that Renee and "Charlie" are running around doing things that are legally questionable but only one bothers to disguise himself at all? I mean I understand if Rene doesn't want to be a superhero and do the whole cape and cowl thing, but how about a ski mask? A stocking? A hockey mask? Some disguising make-up? Glasses with attached nose, mustache and eyebrows? Something? Seems like it'd be the smart thing to do.

SW: Thought about that, but we came to a couple conclusions. First, it’s against her character. Renee is too cocky to do something so silly. You ever walk around in public with a mask on? Unless you’re JG Jones, you get incredibly self-conscious and feel ridiculous.

GR: Plus, what makes you think she doesn’t want to get caught? That she isn’t courting that danger, so to speak. She’s not nearly as self-destructive as she was in the first 4 weeks, but that don’t mean the girl’s gone all healthy on us….

51) When do we get hero names for the other members of Luthor's JLA?

SW: There are preliminary names…and then the names Luthor buys for them.

GR: That reminds me. We have to bring the Luthor trial to the forefront at some point.

52) Where are the Wondertwins, Zan and Jayna?

SW: Sorry, grandpa. I’m young!
Phew. See you in a week with more jokes at Waid’s expense, a real life e-mal from Grant Morrison and hopefully a picture of Joe Bennett! plus behind the scene secrets from the real wedding of the year.

In the meantime enjoy this hint of what’s coming up….

[Doc Destruction]

Sorry that was from Newsarama.

[Darthphere]

I wish they actually answered the questions. If I wanted jokes id go to Dane Cook's website.

[Doc Destruction]

They can't answer some of those. They would be HUGE spoilers. My question is wtf with all the L-ron love? lol

[Darthphere]

But the ones that could they didnt answer either. Its the Wacker/Rucka Fun Hour.

[Doc Destruction]

I'll take fun over condescending prick attitude any day of the week.

And there was some interesting stuff in there. And the Civil War joke was funny as hell.

[Darthphere]

Actually it was pretty lame and easy. Ill lol later, in the meantime....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFLGRidfFo4