The Official '52' Thread

[Darthphere]

dude its a comic. its not like its condoning anything, if you feel it does then take it up with the writers and didio. while you're at it take it up with the gaming industry too. matter of fact, write to your state representative.


So its acceptable behavior to mistreat and abuse women because "its just a comic" right? its all good.


At this point, im just messing with GAH, because hes quite the eays target, and when he quotes me this will be visible, shhhh!

[GoldenAgeHero]

So its acceptable behavior to mistreat and abuse women because "its just a comic" right? its all good.

At this point, im just messing with GAH, because hes quite the eays target, and when he quotes me this will be visible, shhhh!

nice try.

[Darthphere]

I love you GAH, I really do.

[Darthphere]

And I also need more spoilers, stop wasting time.

[GoldenAgeHero]

black adam is really jason todd reincarnated.....:confused:

[Darthphere]

Did he have his octopus form going?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i read that isis has said he has numerous penis like tenticles...does that count?

[Darthphere]

Possibly, ill have to read the issue.

[Doc Destruction]

i read that isis has said he has numerous penis like tenticles...does that count?

Adam is a hentai freak? Wow, didn't see that coming.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Adam is a hentai freak? Wow, didn't see that coming.

he loves that ****, he and mother of champions(great ten member) get it on behind isis back.:eek:

[Keyser Soze]

I picked up Week 3, 13 and 16 of 52, in order to read a little more of Black Adam. I must say he's a really awesome character.

[Superman \S/]

Judging by the cover for #19, is it possible that it's a new guy in the Booster Gold suit?

[TheCorpulent1]

Judging by the events of #18, I'd say there's a very good chance.

As for this week's issue, pretty sweet. Magic stuff always kicks ass in the DC universe for me. The one thing I'm not liking too much is the prospect of Ralph Dibny as the new Dr. Fate. That smacks of lameness to me. Still, I'll see where it goes.

One thing: did anyone else notice Aquasquid in the bottom-left of the "magic montage" page? I'm not sure if it was really Orin, since his left hand looks normal instead of watery, but if it is, that would mean that Orin somehow just morphed into his present state with no mention whatsoever during 52. I really hope Busiek plans on explaining that because I'm definitely not ok with the real Aquaman turning into a wannabe Jason Todd off-panel for no reason.

[Phoney Bone]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week19/52-Cv19-ds.jpg
This makes me happy for the future of this character.:D

[TheCorpulent1]

Is that Skeets he's holding like a football?

[deathshead2]

Yeah to help him fly in time.

[TheCorpulent1]

I see. I wish the costume had the collar. Booster Gold seems diminished without his collar, much like the unfortunately now-collarless Black Lightning.

[The Question]

I've never been a fan of collars. The only comic book character who looks good with a collar is Alan Scott.

[TheCorpulent1]

Alan's collar is one of the few I'm not fond of. He's got the Mexican gangster look going on, all buttoned up straight to the top. :(

I love collars. One of my favorite things about Alan Davis' art is that he includes at least one or two collars in every batch of costumes he designs.

[deathshead2]

Never mind that post im tired and I have no idea what im talking about.Edit dammit

[TheCorpulent1]

Dr. Strange has one of the most pimped-out collars in comics history. Only Black Lightning's giant white collar approaches the Cloak of Levitation's collar in pure, unbridled badassery, and even that falls short.

[The Question]

Alan's collar is one of the few I'm not fond of. He's got the Mexican gangster look going on, all buttoned up straight to the top. :(



I ain't following. :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Alan_scott-ross.jpg

His collar's buttoned like he's supposed to be wearing a tie, only--oops!--no tie. I don't like that. Unless you're talking about his cape's collar, which is fine.

[The Question]

I was talking about the cape's collar. I forgot he had a shirt collar. His cape collar totally dwarfes his shirt collar with it's sheer pimpiosity to the point where the shirt collar basically doesn't exist in any practical way.

[TheCorpulent1]

Except for the practically-Mexican-gangster way.

[The Question]

Except for the practically-Mexican-gangster way.

Yes. But his cape collar is so pimping that it's pimpiosity makes you forget that Mexican Gangsters even exist. Except for Dafoe in Once Upon a Time in Mexico. Simply because of his fake tan, his 'stache, and the fact that he's Willem-****ing-Dafoe.

[yenaled]

I miss Black Lightnings collar.

Except it is a good job he doesn't have it because celldog would just make a thread saying how DC are racist by making a black man wear a pimping collar.

[Fledermaus]

That's pretty funny.

[MaskedManJRK]

This new issue brought up something that I've been thinking of for a while now.

In it, Black Adam, Isis, and The Question find Montoya, drunk off her ass, essentially riding one of the Khandaqian women like a mechanical bull. When Q goes to her and tells her to pull her s**t together, she slurringly says something among the lines of, "What, you got a crush on me or something?"

Practically since they both started to work together on taking down Intergang, I've thought there was a bit of budding/sexual tension, at least on Q's side.

Anyone else think of this?

[trustyside-kick]

I'm looking forward to this whole Dr.Fate thing. I read Day of Vengeance (amazing story btw) and I was curious what became of Fate after he was trapped into his own helmet. I have suspicion that Ralph could become Dr.Fate...not sure I like that I mean he used to be the Detective Elongated Man...for him to have a whole new superhero identity would be kind of dumb.

[Fledermaus]

Wasn't it stated in the Day of Vengeance Special that a new body for Fate was being formed or already formed or something?

[The Question]

This new issue brought up something that I've been thinking of for a while now.

In it, Black Adam, Isis, and The Question find Montoya, drunk off her ass, essentially riding one of the Khandaqian women like a mechanical bull. When Q goes to her and tells her to pull her s**t together, she slurringly says something among the lines of, "What, you got a crush on me or something?"

Practically since they both started to work together on taking down Intergang, I've thought there was a bit of budding/sexual tension, at least on Q's side.

Anyone else think of this?

Oh yeah. Of course, Vic is one of those guys who was kind of a dork as a teenager and still doesn't get laid very often these days, so it could simply be a matter of him being around a hot woman he can't score with and wishing he could.

Wasn't it stated in the Day of Vengeance Special that a new body for Fate was being formed or already formed or something?

It said that a perfect host body for The Spectre was being created, but because the Spectre went out of control, he had to be fused with Allen before the perfect host could be finished.

[Green Lantern]

I'm looking forward to this whole Dr.Fate thing. I read Day of Vengeance (amazing story btw) and I was curious what became of Fate after he was trapped into his own helmet. I have suspicion that Ralph could become Dr.Fate...not sure I like that I mean he used to be the Detective Elongated Man...for him to have a whole new superhero identity would be kind of dumb.Well to be fair, the last Dr. Fate had a superhero identity before becoming Fate too... He was the Silver Scarab

[twylight]

This new issue brought up something that I've been thinking of for a while now.

In it, Black Adam, Isis, and The Question find Montoya, drunk off her ass, essentially riding one of the Khandaqian women like a mechanical bull. When Q goes to her and tells her to pull her s**t together, she slurringly says something among the lines of, "What, you got a crush on me or something?"

Practically since they both started to work together on taking down Intergang, I've thought there was a bit of budding/sexual tension, at least on Q's side.

Anyone else think of this?

Yes. I thought of that to. He seems to be a bit 'off' when he's around her, but it could just be that she's attractive and plays for the other team.


Don't know if this was already mentioned but, is there going to be a new Booster Gold? :huh:

Replacing Ted and Micheal?

'Cause it sure looked that way to me, unless there is something else going on *which I kinda hope so*

[Fledermaus]

It said that a perfect host body for The Spectre was being created, but because the Spectre went out of control, he had to be fused with Allen before the perfect host could be finished.

Oh yeah, my bad. I must've have been on poppy seeds when I read that.

[trustyside-kick]

Well to be fair, the last Dr. Fate had a superhero identity before becoming Fate too... He was the Silver Scarab

Oh yea...good point...however jumping from a Detective to a soon-to-be Magic Mystical guy is kinda odd.

[Green Lantern]

And going from a flying, solar ray blasting hero to a Magic Mystical guy isn't? ;)

[trustyside-kick]

And going from a flying, solar ray blasting hero to a Magic Mystical guy isn't? ;)

At least he was already used to blasting solar rays and stuff (like the flying). :O

It's ok...I'll find a way to get you back in the OOC thread for the RPG. :D

[Green Lantern]

Well Ralph's used to... uh... stretching :huh:

[marcofthebeast]

I'm excited about Detective Fate, It would be cool if he was just normal Ralph solving mysteries like normal but when he comes to the climax he goes Detective Fate on their candy a$$.

[celldog]

Aren't they taking the Montoya lesbian crap too far??? Geez!! I can't even leave my comics laying around the house for fear of my small kids seeing this crap!!


I mean geez!!! Okay she's a big ol' freak!! Quit pushing it in our faces. What is up with comics these days!! I feel like I'm leaving a Playboy Magazine out or something. There's a hundred different ways that scene could have been drawn!! It was just T & A ! :cmad: :cmad:

[The Question]

52 has never been marketed as a book for little kids. In one of the early issues, Black Adam graphically tore a person in half. It's not like this stuff doesn't have precident in the book.

[BrianWilly]

Why is it that Black Adam could rip people limb from limb or big giant men could get disemboweled by Lobo and no one would raise an eyebrow at all, but two people have sex and all of a sudden it's "ZOMG!!!! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!!!??? WE MUST PROTECT TEH CHILDREN!!!!!"

[The Question]

Once again, it's our society's strange veiw that sex is worse than violence, even though sex is completely natural and something everyone should do as long as they don't go overboard, whereas violence can actually hurt someone.

[MaskedManJRK]

Aren't they taking the Montoya lesbian crap too far??? Geez!! I can't even leave my comics laying around the house for fear of my small kids seeing this crap!!


I mean geez!!! Okay she's a big ol' freak!! Quit pushing it in our faces. What is up with comics these days!! I feel like I'm leaving a Playboy Magazine out or something. There's a hundred different ways that scene could have been drawn!! It was just T & A ! :cmad: :cmad:

I don't think it's been really explicitly shown. I mean, the only parts I would find "explicit" is when they show a during/after of her having sex--and that's only happened TWICE. In EIGHTEEN issues. Hardly freaky, or pushing it in our faces.

But, I have to look at the bright side--at least this time you're not pulling the race card. :o

[Mister J]

But, I have to look at the bright side--at least this time you're not pulling the race card. :o

Cassie was practically busting through her shirt a few issues ago while talking to Ralph. Starfire's top came off last week and this week Montoya was showing the goods. I demand that Steel's niece, Natasha be given a half-naked splash page in a coming issue. Otherwise I'm calling Reverend Al and Jesse and DC will have hell to pay. :mad:

[twylight]

Why is it that Black Adam could rip people limb from limb or big giant men could get disemboweled by Lobo and no one would raise an eyebrow at all, but two people have sex and all of a sudden it's "ZOMG!!!! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!!!??? WE MUST PROTECT TEH CHILDREN!!!!!"

It's not all about that. :o

The Black Adam spread in IC was very disturbing, for me but I didn't make a fuss because the fan boys would have torn me limb from limb. :csad: And complained about why I was reading comics in the first place, if not for violence. I had to endure Darthies avatar of it for weeks afterwards. :csad: it was horrible.

Sex however is not one of the things people align with comic book, racy costumes aside, an extreme amount of violence is.

[MaskedManJRK]

Cassie was practically busting through her shirt a few issues ago while talking to Ralph. Starfire's top came off last week and this week Montoya was showing the goods. I demand that Steel's niece, Natasha be given a half-naked splash page in a coming issue. Otherwise I'm calling Reverend Al and Jesse and DC will have hell to pay. :mad:

I wouldn't mind. I love me some brown sugar. :o

PREECH IT, AL, PREACH IT! :D

[The Question]

It's not all about that.



The Black Adam spread in IC was very disturbing, for me but I didn't make a fuss because the fan boys would have torn me limb from limb. And complained about why I was reading comics in the first place, if not for violence. I had to endure Darthies avatar of it for weeks afterwards. it was horrible.



Sex however is not one of the things people align with comic book, racy costumes aside, an extreme amount of violence is.

Still, making a fuss over violence I can understand. Making a fuss over sex is just silly. It's not just in comics, it's everywhere. Have a sexually explicit scene on a TV show, it's like you just killed three million people. Show a rather brutal fight scene, no one gives a ****. basically, here's how I see it: With the sex stuff in 52, the most reaction you'd probably get from a kid is "Ha ha, the lady's naked!!!" With the particularly ciolent stuff we've seen in 52, the kid would probably cry. So, which is the bigger deal?

[BrianWilly]

Cassie was practically busting through her shirt a few issues ago while talking to Ralph. Starfire's top came off last week and this week Montoya was showing the goods. I demand that Steel's niece, Natasha be given a half-naked splash page in a coming issue. Otherwise I'm calling Reverend Al and Jesse and DC will have hell to pay. :mad:
Sparks flew onto her boobs and burned 'em but good while she was making her armor:p.

[WompuM]

To quote the man freddy krueger.... 'ooooh Dark meat."

[Whirlysplat]

I can't stand Isis. Black Adam is becoming a wussy thanks to her!

- Whirly

[Anubis]

Hater. You just want Black Adam all to yourself. His Spock like ears excite you don't they. :)

[Fledermaus]

Who wouldn't get excited by those ...long ...pointy... OMG excuse me a sec....

[Anubis]

Pointy ears has become the fastest growing Fetish in the world. Thousands of Websites cropping up over night devoted to Namor's ear cleavage.

[Assassin]

so i'm guessing the mullet kid is gonna be the new Booster, or skeets is gonna clone booster with the kids dna?

[trustyside-kick]

Booster Gold's name is Michael Carter...the boy we just saw was Daniel Carter. Relatives perhaps? -gasp-

But that being said I don't think he will become the new Booster Gold. I highly doubt DC would do something that obvious...I bet Skeets has something else planned for him.

[Assassin]

Booster Gold's name is Michael Carter...the boy we just saw was Daniel Carter. Relatives perhaps? -gasp-But that being said I don't think he will become the new Booster Gold. I highly doubt DC would do something that obvious...I bet Skeets has something else planned for him.


no they're not, carter is the new smith, every one has that name now-a-days

:yellow:

[trustyside-kick]

no they're not, carter is the new smith, every one has that name now-a-days

:yellow:

I was being sarcastic when I said the first part. Hence the '-gasp-' thing I added.

[Kitsune]

Booster Gold's name is Michael Carter...the boy we just saw was Daniel Carter. Relatives perhaps? -gasp-

But that being said I don't think he will become the new Booster Gold. I highly doubt DC would do something that obvious...I bet Skeets has something else planned for him.
Yeah, DC would never do something so obvious and predicable... it would be like replacing the Flash with the Kid Flash a second time.

[Xofenroht]

Ummm they ARE related. It says it right there in the panel.

[Assassin]

wow, some one doesnt know what sarcasam is, hmm thats odd

[OA blaster]

no they're not, carter is the new smith, every one has that name now-a-days

:yellow:

that true

Samantha Carter (STARGATE SG1)
SHERIFF CARTER (a town called eureka)
DR CARTER (ER)

[SpideyInATree]

Just read Week 18 this morning. We're definitely getting some interesting developments now. Man, Montoya is a freak! Though I gotta say I kind of laughed out loud when Black Adam broke down the door.

My favorite part was with Ralph and the Dr. Fate helmet. Don't know anything about Dr. Fate but it was definitely a cool plot point. Maybe Ralph will be the new Dr. Fate.

And the Question origin was pretty cool. The Hype needs a Question smiley.

[The Punisher]

It looks like Daniel will be the new Booster.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/week18/52_19_05.jpg

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83385

[Kitsune]

DC.... killing off one character and replacing them with another.... will wonders never cease

[Whirlysplat]

Hater. You just want Black Adam all to yourself. His Spock like ears excite you don't they. :)

A bit, the Leonard Nimoy look is in with Star Treks 40th.

- Whirly

[Darthphere]

Aren't they taking the Montoya lesbian crap too far??? Geez!! I can't even leave my comics laying around the house for fear of my small kids seeing this crap!!


I mean geez!!! Okay she's a big ol' freak!! Quit pushing it in our faces. What is up with comics these days!! I feel like I'm leaving a Playboy Magazine out or something. There's a hundred different ways that scene could have been drawn!! It was just T & A ! :cmad: :cmad:


See, this is why we need people like celldog around, entertainment.

[SonOfCthulhu]

I just had an odd thought: What's to keep DC from sending Daniel Carter into the past with the Booster Gold suit at some point in a future issue of 52, making BG's death one big fake-out. Booster (Michael) might never have appeared in 52 at all. The Booster we've been seeing this whole time has been Daniel Carter and that's who bites it in issue 15.

And that could be the thing that breaks time as well.

[Fledermaus]

That's a good theory, but the things that Booster said in the previous issues doesn't jibe with it. But it would explain why Booster was acting like more of a douchbag than usual.You might be on to something. It would be viscious if Daniel was sent back in time just to die in the real Boosters place.

[SonOfCthulhu]

Noted. And you think Fire and Dibney would clue in that it wasn't the "real" Booster. Not to mention Supes.

[OA blaster]

Noted. And you think Fire and Dibney would clue in that it wasn't the "real" Booster. Not to mention Supes.

blame it on the crisis

[SonOfCthulhu]

blame it on the crisis

Or Skeets training him in "all things Booster"? Maybe he looks exactly like his great-great-*sic*-grandchild? It would be nice for this to have been a big scam death. Booster deserved better.

[Super_Child]

Can't Skeets just go back in time and grab another Booster from the past and bring him to the future.

[PWN3R]

Can't Skeets just go back in time and grab another Booster from the past and bring him to the future.

Or stop his death?:huh:

[Super_Child]

Or stop his death?:huh:

Which one would be more interesting though?

[PWN3R]

Booster NOT dying.

[Purple Man]

For someone with a Grant Morrison avatar I would think you would be a little more willing to believe in something that he had a hand in.

Booster died for a purpose yet to be determined. Skeets could do a great many things with his time travel abilities, but as a machine, what are the limits of his programming? What degree of sentience does Skeets posess? I believe this will be brought out into the open during the course of 52.

There is a lot more to Booster Gold and Skeets than anyone imagined.

[Super_Child]

I want to know what the significance of '52' is that various characters keep mentioning.

[The Leaguer]

The number of issues.

[Knives122]

You think some one will break the forth wall by the end of this, maybe that'll be the big suprise.

DC will have it's own deadpool :P

[trustyside-kick]

I want to know what the significance of '52' is that various characters keep mentioning.

Well there are 52 weeks in a year right? That is what I thought but yea it is wierd how a few characters have shouted "52!!!" and then like pass out.

[Purple Man]

You think some one will break the forth wall by the end of this, maybe that'll be the big suprise.

DC will have it's own deadpool :P

The Question in issue one, and Animal Man in issue seventeen.

[PWN3R]

For someone with a Grant Morrison avatar I would think you would be a little more willing to believe in something that he had a hand in.

Booster died for a purpose yet to be determined. Skeets could do a great many things with his time travel abilities, but as a machine, what are the limits of his programming? What degree of sentience does Skeets posess? I believe this will be brought out into the open during the course of 52.

There is a lot more to Booster Gold and Skeets than anyone imagined.

I might have come across as being mad, but I am not. I am enjoying the heck out of 52, and see that Booster's death is leading somewhere. But even still with the awesome Morrison, its Booster's death.:(

For now anyway.;)

[Super_Child]

The number of issues.

No I never realised :o.

I think that they are possibley going to have a main arc bringing all the charecters together towards the end of 52 involving something '52' Like....52 heroes or something. Why would red tornado say "52" he knows something is going to happen.

[Tropico]

Well there are 52 weeks in a year right? That is what I thought but yea it is wierd how a few characters have shouted "52!!!" and then like pass out.

If a regular character is used to appearing, like, 12 times a year in comics and then you have them appearing 4 times that......yeah, I'd pass out out thinking of the future exhaustion it would create.:(

:p
:D

[Superman \S/]

:eek:

Su-Sup-Supernova's identity is going to be revealed in #19. :eek:

MASSIVE SPOILER!!!!!!

In the issue, Supernova is set to meet Cassie aka Wonder Girl on a rooftop in Metropoils. They talk and as he leaves, shes something like "I can't believe you don't recognize me, KON-El."

Now i don't know if i said it right, but something along the lines of this will happen. :eek:

[GoldenAgeHero]

somthing along the lines of this will happen? its either you dont know or do. where did you get the spoiler from? i call BS.


and im pretty sure wonder girl would've told tim about that OYL, plus if your spoiler was true i doubt cassie would've beenacting all *****y OYL. and i dont think cassie ever referred to conner as kon-el, am i wrong on that?

[Hush]

What if it is Match. Not who you mentioned and thats why she is shocked.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i doubt its match, its been shown in the previous comics that supernova seem chummy with clark. plus neither kon el or match have the same powers as supernova.

[The Question]

What if it is Match. Not who you mentioned and thats why she is shocked.


But Match knows Cassie very well. When he was posing as Superboy he seduced her as a means of manipulating her, and later she spilled her guts to him thinking he was Conner.

[Hush]

Well he could just be playing the same trick again, right? I mean we've seen villians try the same trick twice before. It just doesnt make sense that Connor comes back so soon.

[The Watchman]

If I had a twin, I'd totally pull that move...unless he was the evil one, but I'm sure I could outevil him.

[The Question]

Well he could just be playing the same trick again, right? I mean we've seen villians try the same trick twice before. It just doesnt make sense that Connor comes back so soon.


Still, he wouldn't act as if he didn't know Cassie, since he knows her well enough to fake being Connor.

[Hush]

O well in that case I still dont think its Connor. I want him back an all, him being Supernova would be a rather nice twist aswell. It just doesnt seem right it would seem like his death was pointless. I hate pointless death it makes the character that dies seem like collateral damage.

[GoldenAgeHero]

him being supernova would probably be the ****tiest move ever. thats like making spiderman captain america.:thumbsdown:

[Darthphere]

him being supernova would probably be the ****tiest move ever. thats like making spiderman captain america.:thumbsdown:


Haha, GAH is catching feelings because Conner might be coming back.

[Eros]

Haha, GAH is catching feelings because Conner might be coming back.

you keep beleiving that:whatever:

[The Question]

him being supernova would probably be the ****tiest move ever. thats like making spiderman captain america.:thumbsdown:


No it wouldn't, because Cap is an already established character, while Supernova isn't.

[Darthphere]

you keep beleiving that:whatever:


What part of MIGHT did you not understand?:whatever:

[Hush]

How can you not understand a part of a word? Darth me confused???

[Anubis]

Maybe he's Dyslexic?

[Darthphere]

Maybe he's Dyslexic?


I dont think that applies to this case.

[Anubis]

Maybe he's got violent Diarrhea?

[Darthphere]

Speaking of which.....

[Mister J]

... yes?


Oh, never mind :down

[Superman \S/]

somthing along the lines of this will happen? its either you dont know or do. where did you get the spoiler from? i call BS.


and im pretty sure wonder girl would've told tim about that OYL, plus if your spoiler was true i doubt cassie would've beenacting all *****y OYL. and i dont think cassie ever referred to conner as kon-el, am i wrong on that?

I won't say where i got it. But all i do know is that it's true. 100% i wouldn't lie about it. Just wait and all that you've questioned will be answered. Weather Wizard is involved as well.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Haha, GAH is catching feelings because Conner might be coming back.

no, making an estbalished character someone else is completely ****. mty feelings on conner coming back or whatever you want to belive has nothing todo it. even corp would it agree this is an idiotic move. seriously would you be happy if ralph became the new dr.fate?

[Green Lantern]

no, making an estbalished character someone else is completely ****. mty feelings on conner coming back or whatever you want to belive has nothing todo it. even corp would it agree this is an idiotic move. seriously would you be happy if ralph became the new dr.fate?Were you happy when Hector Hall became the new Fate?

[The Question]

no, making an estbalished character someone else is completely ****. mty feelings on conner coming back or whatever you want to belive has nothing todo it. even corp would it agree this is an idiotic move. seriously would you be happy if ralph became the new dr.fate?


But it's just Connor getting a name and costume change and a power upgrade, really. He as a character wouldn;t be changed much at all. At least, I don't think so.

[GoldenAgeHero]

No it wouldn't, because Cap is an already established character, while Supernova isn't.


it does'nt matter if supernova is'nt, conner is an extablished character and he carried the superboy name. to have him pop up as someone else with a new ****ck, is just really lame.

would you be happy with the question becoming supernova?

[GoldenAgeHero]

But it's just Connor getting a name and costume change and a power upgrade, really. He as a character wouldn;t be changed much at all. At least, I don't think so.




i don't think its conner, with the way superman posted cassie's response. the power upgrade part is really absurd. telekenesis was'nt enough? i guess we'll just have to wait till tomorrow.

[The Question]

it does'nt matter if supernova is'nt, conner is an extablished character and he carried the superboy name. to have him pop up as someone else with a new ****ck, is just really lame.

I'm just saying, it isn't a good analogy.

would you be happy with the question becoming supernova?

Well, he'd still be the same character. Although, from what we've seen of Supernova, his style seems to fit Connor more than Vic.

[Superman \S/]

Anyone pick up issue 19? Was i right about the scene with Supernova and Wondergirl? Also on who Supernova is?

[trustyside-kick]

Anyone pick up issue 19? Was i right about the scene with Supernova and Wondergirl? Also on who Supernova is?

I might pick mine up later on but I hope you weren't right. I was hoping Supernova would be a superhero to stay...love the suit and the powers could maybe need a little adjusting but I like him.

[Superman \S/]

Check a page or two back, i already revealed who Supernova is.

Believe me, i'm right. :o

[Purple Man]

I'm not going to say anything, but if you haven't read it yet, Get the latest issue of Green Lantern, drops some big hints about 52.

[PWN3R]

I'm not going to say anything, but if you haven't read it yet, Get the latest issue of Green Lantern, drops some big hints about 52.

Spoil me, I dont read GL.:(

And GAH, your sig...why isn't it making sense??

[PWN3R]

Anyone pick up issue 19? Was i right about the scene with Supernova and Wondergirl? Also on who Supernova is?

No Cassie is just :whatever: <----crazy.

[Superman \S/]

Supernova is Kon-el, aka Superboy.

'Tis true.

[Superman \S/]

No Cassie is just :whatever: <----crazy.

Sure she's a little :hyper:, in 52, but what i said is true. I can't believe it!

[PWN3R]

That would suck, I mean after all he just died in IC right? Coming back so soon would mean nothing

But in Action two weeks ago, they said there was THREE Kryptonians on earth.

[Superman \S/]

Exactly one of the reasons why it could be him. But yeah it suck, and they would need to come up with a big explanation on how he came back.

[Ultimate_Superman]

You better be right about this :cmad:

[BrianWilly]

It's funny when GAH trips all over himself to make excuses for his rantings. "Supernova is an established character"? Hello?? We've seen him talk in maybe a total of three issues right now, and none of those issues focused exclusively on him. If he's such an established character, tell me anything you know about him right now other than the fact that he flies and shoot things. Anything at all.

With that said, I doubt it's Conner. Why would Cassie specifically refer to him as Kon-El? After he got the name of Conner, she's never called him Kon-El. And even before then, it was always "Kon."

[Ultimate_Superman]

It just might be true look at what #22 is suppose to be about.

[Purple Man]

Spoil me, I dont read GL.:(

And GAH, your sig...why isn't it making sense??

Spoilers from Green Lantern #13

The Guardians "Shall we question Superboy-Prime?" "No. Not yet." "He is unaware at this juncture."
"Hank Henshaw was fused within the source wall. He explored space sector 3601. He must be found and interrogated." "You believe Henshaw and his Manhunters discovered the path within space sector 3601?"
"We built the Manhunters blind to the path. But if anyone is capable of finding it, it will most likely be a curious Earthman."
"So we have all come to the same conclusion. The need for the Green Lantern Corps has become quite clear."
Then each and every Guardian repeats one another, saying "52"
And then a Guardian asks which one of them will go find what remains of Hank Henshaw.

Awesome issue.

[GoldenAgeHero]

^^^ nice to see you think so purple man.

[hippie_hunter]

That would suck, I mean after all he just died in IC right? Coming back so soon would mean nothing

But in Action two weeks ago, they said there was THREE Kryptonians on earth.

1. Superman/Kal-El
2. Supergirl/Kara Zor-El
3. Power Girl/Kara Zor-L, technically she is Kryptonian, but of the Earth-2 universe

Superboy technically wasn't full Kryptonian, he was a hybrid human/Kryptonian. I don't think that counts.

[SouLeSS]

Is 52 only going to be 30 issues long? The DC page and 52thecomic.com or whatever it is only show ? covers till 30. Even if the didn't have covers for any of the rest, don't you think they'de put up through all 52 weeks?

Just a thought.

[hippie_hunter]

Is 52 only going to be 30 issues long? The DC page and 52thecomic.com or whatever it is only show ? covers till 30. Even if the didn't have covers for any of the rest, don't you think they'de put up through all 52 weeks?

Just a thought.

No, it's just that 30 issues so far have been solicited. There will be 52 issues. Although there are rumors that say that it could go on even longer.

[Hush]

I just read an article in the new Wizard were all the writers of 52 finally finished all the stories togethor and it is indeed 52 issues.

[Hush]

Double post my bad!

[Purple Man]

^^^ nice to see you think so purple man.

I know so. Green Lantern has been using his willpower to kick all sorts of @$$.

[cerealkiller182]

No, it's just that 30 issues so far have been solicited. There will be 52 issues. Although there are rumors that say that it could go on even longer.

I think it would be cool if 52 was an ongoing series. But instead of skipping years like this one, they make a year long story involving minor and supporting characters who cross paths leading to an ultimate solution. Although it is a big responsiblity to ask someone to do.

[Assassin]

next year they're doing 365, an issue every day!

[SouLeSS]

Ha, imagine that. 7 Issues a week, at [probably] 2$ a pop. Oh, how that would quickly break my wallet.

But anyone a little creeped out about how 52 is comming to be now? The Greenlantern Smurfs are flipping out about it now, and it's set AFTER 52 is supposed to be done. What if 52 just kinda ends, and doesn't really resolve that much?

[GoldenAgeHero]

nice issue, and the story deepens.

turns out that daniel is a is an ancestor of michael jon carter,not another clone of him or some other booster from another timeline, just an early relative so skeets make him a deal to give him powers and in return, daniel will help skeets investigate the time chamber of rip hunter. turns out skeets is a lying mofo. somehow skeets knew that booster arrival on earth f'ed up the time stream so he sent daniel into a vortex to the past to relive his gootball glory moment, i dont know what affect this would have, but can it be that since daniel carter was never around, michael being born never happens? as for the supernova being kon-el, still no hard core evidence to even suggest that. wonder girl does call him kon el, but its after she thought supernova was conner. nova did'nt reveal his identity to her and pretty much says that they've never officially met before. So either cassie is delerious and mistaking nova for conner(which seems to be pretty much the case) or theres obviously more to the story. nova really did'nt sound like he knew cassie, especially the way he grabbed her arm and pushed her away... so the jury is still out on this one.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Then my thing is where is Nova in this OYL arc???? Does he die during 52 or shouldn't he have popped up by now instead of just the Daily Planet newspaper? I don't know maybe it is Conner and they are just saying Supernova for a bigger arc and maybe for his own solo book like Batwoman.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i doubt its conner. and you're right, we should've heard about everyone by now, but theres no mention about any of them OYL. buts thats probably cause non of the characters can be used OYL since they are in 52. the DCU OYL seems to not even mention anything about 52,like nothing big happened in the past year.
i just don't see why cassie would think supernova is kon-el. i doubt he's resurrected since his appearance was in week 8 and cassie was still hanging with the cult of conner up until the big fiasco in week 13 and he was pretty much dead at the end of IC. i also doubt he could've been cloned since everyone is struggling OYL to find cloning equipment...who knows.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yea but we won't know the truth till the end of this arc. Also in the lastest Teen Titans arc Cassie admited to Tim it was a mistake about their kiss and I am wondering if she said that because Conner was alive. As I said we wont know what is going on till the end of the book but if it is Conner then he has made himself a hero in his own right now.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I say give it till week 22 then we'll know if Conner is alive or not because its like Up,Up, and Away we didn't know how Superman lost his powers till the last issue of IC and that book was into the thrid issue by then and didn't talk about it till like the 4 or fifth issue so I say give it till issue 22 before we know know anything and before we start to see it pop up in story arcs.

[lceman]

1. Superman/Kal-El
2. Supergirl/Kara Zor-El
3. Power Girl/Kara Zor-L, technically she is Kryptonian, but of the Earth-2 universe

Superboy technically wasn't full Kryptonian, he was a hybrid human/Kryptonian. I don't think that counts.


In an interview at the Baltimore Con Johns was asked if Power Girl was the third Kryptonian and he said NO.

[CConn]

next year they're doing 365, an issue every day!I'll be holding out for the 67 TPBs.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The third is suppose to be the new kid coming in the Donner arc.

[trustyside-kick]

I still do not think it is Connor. If it was him how would Wondergirl know about him being Supernova? Also, what about that whole Cult she was part of? Ralph and them ruined the ceremony and because the kryptonite was destroyed not like they could resurrect Superboy later on. Plus she called him Kon-El instead of Connor.

I don't want Superboy coming back...his death in IC was a big deal.

[SouLeSS]

Maybe its like...another clone of him? That would probably explain why Cassie got all freaked out about it.

I mean, if he has the same voice and other **** [which you can't tell in comics. Beacuse they're comics], then it's a likely explination that Luthor had a backup copy of "Kon-El" and just used that,.

[SouLeSS]

Maybe its like...another clone of him? That would probably explain why Cassie got all freaked out about it.

I mean, if he has the same voice and other **** [which you can't tell in comics. Beacuse they're comics], then it's a likely explination that Luthor had a backup copy of "Kon-El" and just used that,.

[SonOfCthulhu]

nice issue, and the story deepens.

turns out that daniel is a is an ancestor of michael jon carter,not another clone of him or some other booster from another timeline, just an early relative so skeets make him a deal to give him powers and in return, daniel will help skeets investigate the time chamber of rip hunter. turns out skeets is a lying mofo. somehow skeets knew that booster arrival on earth f'ed up the time stream so he sent daniel into a vortex to the past to relive his gootball glory moment, i dont know what affect this would have, but can it be that since daniel carter was never around, michael being born never happens? as for the supernova being kon-el, still no hard core evidence to even suggest that. wonder girl does call him kon el, but its after she thought supernova was conner. nova did'nt reveal his identity to her and pretty much says that they've never officially met before. So either cassie is delerious and mistaking nova for conner(which seems to be pretty much the case) or theres obviously more to the story. nova really did'nt sound like he knew cassie, especially the way he grabbed her arm and pushed her away... so the jury is still out on this one.

I don't think you read the issue very carefully. Skeets set the time stream number to 1,000,000 AD. That would be far, far into the future.

[Zaptoitnow]

Daniel's football number was also, of course, 52.

[Varient]

nice issue, and the story deepens.

turns out that daniel is a is an ancestor of michael jon carter,not another clone of him or some other booster from another timeline, just an early relative so skeets make him a deal to give him powers and in return, daniel will help skeets investigate the time chamber of rip hunter. turns out skeets is a lying mofo. somehow skeets knew that booster arrival on earth f'ed up the time stream so he sent daniel into a vortex to the past to relive his gootball glory moment, i dont know what affect this would have, but can it be that since daniel carter was never around, michael being born never happens? as for the supernova being kon-el, still no hard core evidence to even suggest that. wonder girl does call him kon el, but its after she thought supernova was conner. nova did'nt reveal his identity to her and pretty much says that they've never officially met before. So either cassie is delerious and mistaking nova for conner(which seems to be pretty much the case) or theres obviously more to the story. nova really did'nt sound like he knew cassie, especially the way he grabbed her arm and pushed her away... so the jury is still out on this one.
Just remember:

There is an advanced stronger "clone" of Superboy out running around.

[PWN3R]

Conner can't be Supernova. Think about it. In Wonder Woman #2, Dr. Psycho tricks Cassie into seeing Superboy, she still thought he was dead at the time. And Wonder Woman is OYL...

[Darthphere]

Conner doesnt necessarily equal Kon-El. Think about that.

[trustyside-kick]

Edit.

[trustyside-kick]

With the scene where Skeets locks the door on Daniel and sets it to open in 1,000,000 AD...I have an idea why he could be doing this:

- He promised Daniel a way to re-live his glory in football.
- He sees the writings on the wall how the whole time-frame or w/e is messed up because of Michael.

Here is what I think will happen:

- Skeets did this because if Daniel is stuck in that vortex til the 25th century then he will never get married, thus down the line Michael would have never existed; fixing whatever Michael messed up by coming back to this time period.
- This means that when Daniel is out and about he would basically live Michael's life in teh 25th century in football and as Booster Gold.

[sinewave]

Maybe Supernova is Match. That would explain why Cassie thinks he's Conner, since they're cloned from the same DNA and probably sound and look the same.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Just remember:

There is an advanced stronger "clone" of Superboy out running around.

yeah but he existed waaay before the whole cloning equipment gone plot.

btw where the **** is steel!!!!!???

[Super_Child]

With the scene where Skeets locks the door on Daniel and sets it to open in 1,000,000 AD...I have an idea why he could be doing this:

- He promised Daniel a way to re-live his glory in football.
- He sees the writings on the wall how the whole time-frame or w/e is messed up because of Michael.

Here is what I think will happen:

- Skeets did this because if Daniel is stuck in that vortex til the 25th century then he will never get married, thus down the line Michael would have never existed; fixing whatever Michael messed up by coming back to this time period.
- This means that when Daniel is out and about he would basically live Michael's life in teh 25th century in football and as Booster Gold.

Thats a very nice theory, I'd be quite comfortable with this happening.

[Dope Nose]

sigh... easy come, easy go. for those who missed it, here's Daniel Carter's short lived adventure in the DCU.

Daniel Carter - 1 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/160/5218p14ma5.jpg)
Daniel Carter - 2 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7223/dc52week19016le2.jpg)
Daniel Carter - 3 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7264/dc52week19017gb3.jpg)
Daniel Carter - 4 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4885/dc52week19018al1.jpg)
Daniel Carter - 5 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5146/dc52week19019pf7.jpg)
Daniel Carter - 6 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/13/dc52week19020qh2.jpg)
Daniel Carter - 7 (http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3102/dc52week19021ev5.jpg)

also, check out whose costume Supernova is staring at in the 'Next Week in 52' panel. adds a little more credibility to the 'Supernova is Conner' theory.

[yenaled]

Danny will be back.

[trustyside-kick]

also, check out whose costume Supernova is staring at in the 'Next Week in 52' panel. adds a little more credibility to the 'Supernova is Conner' theory.

How is them showing a picture of Supernova looking at Jason Todd's lil memorial thing add more to the belief he could be Conner? I know he and Tim were good friends and I don't know much about Conner but did he know Jason Todd well?

[Dope Nose]

not that I'm aware of, but if it is Conner it seems that he has no memory of his past given his reaction to Cassie. my guess is that seeing the Robin costume (regardless of it being Jason's) may cause his memories of his friendship with Tim to surface.

[Dope Nose]

didn't feel like bumping the Infinite Crisis thread so I'll just ask my question here - anyone notice that on the two page spread on pages 2 & 3 of Infinite Crisis #7 the Hawkman from Kingdom Come is battling in the background?

edit: scratch that. turns out it's just Norda/Northwind.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2853/175pxnewnorthwindrc9.jpg

[batnkevlar]

Daniel Carter? This Daniel Carter?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40609000/jpg/_40609794_carter_getty.jpg

Could it be?

[Super Mario]

With the scene where Skeets locks the door on Daniel and sets it to open in 1,000,000 AD...I have an idea why he could be doing this:

- He promised Daniel a way to re-live his glory in football.
- He sees the writings on the wall how the whole time-frame or w/e is messed up because of Michael.

Here is what I think will happen:

- Skeets did this because if Daniel is stuck in that vortex til the 25th century then he will never get married, thus down the line Michael would have never existed; fixing whatever Michael messed up by coming back to this time period.
- This means that when Daniel is out and about he would basically live Michael's life in teh 25th century in football and as Booster Gold.The whole point is that the picture is pointing to Michael, its pointing to Skeets.

[Assassin]

the 25th century would be the year 2506, not 1,000,000 ad right?

[Mister J]

2406, but point taken. Stupid time travel.

[Green Lantern]

2406 ;) We're in the 21st in 2006

[Assassin]

yea i relised that after i posted but if aq guy can say 1,000,000 ad is the 25th century and 3 ppl quoted him praising his theory, i thought i could get away with that.

Umblock me ******* :mad:

[Green Lantern]

No. You deserved that block.

[Assassin]

why? i asked you if you ever read black lightning, u racist bastard

[Green Lantern]

No, its because you blatantly called me a racist because I haven't.

[WormyT]

I saw this over on some other DC thread.
I guess once this issue comes out, Conner will start making appearences in OYL.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9470/52rc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[drastic_quench]

So Supernova's basically Kon-el's version of 'lectric Supes? Resurrection, costume downgrade, and a new powerset.

[BrianWilly]

Hmm.

I don't know...I still doubt this.

Photoshop isn't out of the question.

[yenaled]

Supernova isn't Kon-el though.

Wonder Girl is slightly desperate and mental at this point.

As I said in the other topic too, that cover is a complete fake. The cover has already been released on DC Comics website (http://www.dc-comics.com/comics/?cm=6246).

[Knives122]

It's fake, this is the cover to 28:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/6246_400x600.jpg

[trustyside-kick]

The picture he posted says Week Thirty Eight, not Twenty Eight. Not saying I believe him...just saying...unless he editted it...I wasn't paying attention before.

[yenaled]

He edited the picture after we pointed that out. Notice the "last edited by" on the post.

The picture itself is a photoshop of David Finch's Sentry from New Avengers as pointed out in the other thread.

http://www.numbmonkey.com/SeanStoryImages/newavengers.jpg

[CConn]

He edited the picture after we pointed that out. Notice the "last edited by" on the post.Ahaha. :D

[Fledermaus]

That's lame. Shoot yourself in the head lame. Jump on a bicycle with the seat off lame. Battlefield: Earth lame.

Check this interview out from Newsarama:
All right, Newsa-ramo fascists, another week, another comic. One of the benefits of editing a book with so many writers is that I can easily coerce them into answering these questions that show up in my mailbox as relentlessly as issues of 52 are due at the printer.

Unfortunately Waid has been sick as a dog since the Baltimore con, so he’s hopped up on cold medicine. That combined with his general…how should I say it…misanthropy should give us a pleasant round of Q-and-A. Here we go!

Newsarama: In Metropolis, why does Wonder Girl even suspect Supernova is Kon-el? Was there suspicion there before meeting him, did she recognize his voice? What?

Mark Waid: She got it from Rich Johnston. And we all know how reliable he is. No, she was just playing a desperate, desperate hunch, and yes, she's not stupid enough to be fooled for long if she's wrong...but is she wrong?

Steve Wacker: Hey, what if Luthor finds out too?

NRAMA: We’ll have more stories where he’s creepily calling Supernova, “My boy.” Okay - Rip Hunter's lab – before we go insane playing a version of "what's different?" from Highlights for Children in comparing the images from #6 and #19 – can ya just tell us, is anything changed in the lab from 13 weeks back?

Waid: Looking at my copy, I see that Dan Didio's head is now there. No, wait. That's the DC Nation page. Sorry, my bad.

Wacker: Nothing is changed. There aren’t any clues in that regard. In fact thanks to penciller Patrick Olliffe, inker Drew Geraci, colorist Alex Sinclair and Aaron Tappen in DC’s production department, we were able to recreate the backgrounds incredibly closely which is a real feat considering different artists and the time constraints of a weekly.

At one point Alex even had a video conference with me. The camera showed me the image on his screen while I gave him notes and he manipulated the image. I love living the future! The Schwartz-a-Tron EditMaster 3006 is just around the corner!

NRAMA: Okay Mr. Einstein – at the end of the issue, Skeets has apparently taken care of one of Booster's ancestors, with the hint that Dan is trapped in some kind of time loop. If he's out of the picture, Booster can never come to be, and thus, never come to the past, accompanied by…Skeets. Yet – Skeets is still here. Is the answer to the question we're leading to, "But of course - Time is broken," and thus paradox rules don’t apply?

Waid: Yeah, because it's not like we'd ever see Daniel Carter again ever, ever, ever, after having spent an entire issue introducing him.

NRAMA: Good point, but there have been issue long-intros before of characters who bought it…

Wacker: Okay, here’s the payoff for some thing I’ve mentioned in this column and on several panels over the summer. Mark, you want to tell the story?

Waid: Thanks, Steve. Did I ever tell you that you have beautiful eyes

Wacker: Yes. Yes you did. Now try and see through your Robitussin haze and answer the question.

Waid: Okay, if you think back to one of our previous interviews about 52, sharp readers will recall that we once revealed how Grant said something random in a conference call, around issue five or so, that blew everyone's mind and changed everything. Now it can be revealed: Grant said, simply, "What if Skeets is evil?" That was the second biggest "Boy, we sure didn't plan that at the initial meeting!" bombshell any of the writers ever unleashed upon the others. (The first biggest was something Geoff said about what the 52 Missing Seconds were protecting. I'd tell you more, but I feel another wet cough coming on.)

NRAMA: In regards to where Rip Hunter is, in his last appearance in a JSA storyline, Rip Hunter hinted strongly that "Rip Hunter" might not be his real name, and he has always kept his true identity hidden so that his enemies, who have access to time-travel technology could kill him before he became "Rip Hunter." Dan just got shot off the far future… "ripped" away, so to speak, and left to "hunt" for a way home…on the hot and cold scale of where we are with that one…are we more warm than cold?

Waid: Wait. Let me get a pen. Now, say that again.

Wacker: Great. Last time Mark got an idea from a Newsarama message board he spent a month working on a “MICHAEL DORAN WRESTLES LADY BEARS” Pitch.

NRAMA: Alright, alright – while we’ll casually not point out someone from the Newsarama boards pegged “evil Skeets” a little while back…

Wacker: Lady bears!

NRAMA: “Alright, alright…Dan Carter of the Far, Far Future” theory #2: is he just going to strap on a loincloth in the year 1 million and call himself Kamandi?

Waid: That position's already been filled. By Geoff. Next.

Wacker: There actually are Kamandi plans and that ain’t it.

NRAMA: More simply, have we seen the last of Dan?

Waid: No, he's right there on page 32. Wait, crap, you meant Daniel Carter, not Dan Didio. Bartender, more cold medicine, please.

Wacker: You have to keep reading to find out. Couple things more on Dan before we say goodbye:

-His name is a hat tip to Booster’s creator. Kind of as a “we’re sorry for what we had to do”.

-His uniform number is 52, so apparently NFL jersey rules are different in the DCUniverse. Get a grip, fanboys!

NRAMA: Well, finally then…Skeets – or, as I guess we have to call him from now on, Bad Skeets…is there a valid plot point to him being evil and nasty…or is this just a part of him holding a membership in the JLI?

Wacker: “Valid” is in the eye of the beholder. We obviously think so. You either trust your storytellers or you don’t.

NRAMA: Fair enough…teases, text, image, or otherwise?

Wacker: Two pages for this one – pages #1 and #2 from Week 20: Supernova in the Batcave? Holy Plot Complication, Batman!
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week19/5220_02.jpg

[GoldenAgeHero]

That's lame. Shoot yourself in the head lame. Jump on a bicycle with the seat off lame. Battlefield: Earth lame.

Check this interview out from Newsarama:
All right, Newsa-ramo fascists, another week, another comic. One of the benefits of editing a book with so many writers is that I can easily coerce them into answering these questions that show up in my mailbox as relentlessly as issues of 52 are due at the printer.

Unfortunately Waid has been sick as a dog since the Baltimore con, so he’s hopped up on cold medicine. That combined with his general…how should I say it…misanthropy should give us a pleasant round of Q-and-A. Here we go!

Newsarama: In Metropolis, why does Wonder Girl even suspect Supernova is Kon-el? Was there suspicion there before meeting him, did she recognize his voice? What?

Mark Waid: She got it from Rich Johnston. And we all know how reliable he is. No, she was just playing a desperate, desperate hunch, and yes, she's not stupid enough to be fooled for long if she's wrong...but is she wrong?

Steve Wacker: Hey, what if Luthor finds out too?

NRAMA: We’ll have more stories where he’s creepily calling Supernova, “My boy.” Okay - Rip Hunter's lab – before we go insane playing a version of "what's different?" from Highlights for Children in comparing the images from #6 and #19 – can ya just tell us, is anything changed in the lab from 13 weeks back?

Waid: Looking at my copy, I see that Dan Didio's head is now there. No, wait. That's the DC Nation page. Sorry, my bad.

Wacker: Nothing is changed. There aren’t any clues in that regard. In fact thanks to penciller Patrick Olliffe, inker Drew Geraci, colorist Alex Sinclair and Aaron Tappen in DC’s production department, we were able to recreate the backgrounds incredibly closely which is a real feat considering different artists and the time constraints of a weekly.

At one point Alex even had a video conference with me. The camera showed me the image on his screen while I gave him notes and he manipulated the image. I love living the future! The Schwartz-a-Tron EditMaster 3006 is just around the corner!

NRAMA: Okay Mr. Einstein – at the end of the issue, Skeets has apparently taken care of one of Booster's ancestors, with the hint that Dan is trapped in some kind of time loop. If he's out of the picture, Booster can never come to be, and thus, never come to the past, accompanied by…Skeets. Yet – Skeets is still here. Is the answer to the question we're leading to, "But of course - Time is broken," and thus paradox rules don’t apply?

Waid: Yeah, because it's not like we'd ever see Daniel Carter again ever, ever, ever, after having spent an entire issue introducing him.

NRAMA: Good point, but there have been issue long-intros before of characters who bought it…

Wacker: Okay, here’s the payoff for some thing I’ve mentioned in this column and on several panels over the summer. Mark, you want to tell the story?

Waid: Thanks, Steve. Did I ever tell you that you have beautiful eyes

Wacker: Yes. Yes you did. Now try and see through your Robitussin haze and answer the question.

Waid: Okay, if you think back to one of our previous interviews about 52, sharp readers will recall that we once revealed how Grant said something random in a conference call, around issue five or so, that blew everyone's mind and changed everything. Now it can be revealed: Grant said, simply, "What if Skeets is evil?" That was the second biggest "Boy, we sure didn't plan that at the initial meeting!" bombshell any of the writers ever unleashed upon the others. (The first biggest was something Geoff said about what the 52 Missing Seconds were protecting. I'd tell you more, but I feel another wet cough coming on.)

NRAMA: In regards to where Rip Hunter is, in his last appearance in a JSA storyline, Rip Hunter hinted strongly that "Rip Hunter" might not be his real name, and he has always kept his true identity hidden so that his enemies, who have access to time-travel technology could kill him before he became "Rip Hunter." Dan just got shot off the far future… "ripped" away, so to speak, and left to "hunt" for a way home…on the hot and cold scale of where we are with that one…are we more warm than cold?

Waid: Wait. Let me get a pen. Now, say that again.

Wacker: Great. Last time Mark got an idea from a Newsarama message board he spent a month working on a “MICHAEL DORAN WRESTLES LADY BEARS” Pitch.

NRAMA: Alright, alright – while we’ll casually not point out someone from the Newsarama boards pegged “evil Skeets” a little while back…

Wacker: Lady bears!

NRAMA: “Alright, alright…Dan Carter of the Far, Far Future” theory #2: is he just going to strap on a loincloth in the year 1 million and call himself Kamandi?

Waid: That position's already been filled. By Geoff. Next.

Wacker: There actually are Kamandi plans and that ain’t it.

NRAMA: More simply, have we seen the last of Dan?

Waid: No, he's right there on page 32. Wait, crap, you meant Daniel Carter, not Dan Didio. Bartender, more cold medicine, please.

Wacker: You have to keep reading to find out. Couple things more on Dan before we say goodbye:

-His name is a hat tip to Booster’s creator. Kind of as a “we’re sorry for what we had to do”.

-His uniform number is 52, so apparently NFL jersey rules are different in the DCUniverse. Get a grip, fanboys!

NRAMA: Well, finally then…Skeets – or, as I guess we have to call him from now on, Bad Skeets…is there a valid plot point to him being evil and nasty…or is this just a part of him holding a membership in the JLI?

Wacker: “Valid” is in the eye of the beholder. We obviously think so. You either trust your storytellers or you don’t.

NRAMA: Fair enough…teases, text, image, or otherwise?

Wacker: Two pages for this one – pages #1 and #2 from Week 20: Supernova in the Batcave? Holy Plot Complication, Batman!
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week19/5220_02.jpg


why would he be in the batcave?

[trustyside-kick]

Now that we see more 'sneak peaks' of Supernova being in the Batcave you see that he is looking at numerous things in the Batcave; not just focusing on the Jason Todd suit/memorial.

[Knives122]

The last thing you see him looking at in that page is Lex's battle suit glove(kryptonite included), so what could that mean?

[WormyT]

He edited the picture after we pointed that out. Notice the "last edited by" on the post.

The picture itself is a photoshop of David Finch's Sentry from New Avengers as pointed out in the other thread.

http://www.numbmonkey.com/SeanStoryImages/newavengers.jpg
S#!t.
I can't believe I thought it was real!
He must be Luthor then if not Conner.
Someone over at DC boards must have made that manip.

[PWN3R]

Anyone read GA#66?

Queen was on an island training for a year. He had several injuries as well. Yet we saw him in 52, plus he had no problems?


:confused:

[Knives122]

It's called natural body healing, you get stabbed, eventually it's gonna heal.

[PWN3R]

It's called natural body healing, you get stabbed, eventually it's gonna heal.

:rolleyes:

Did you read Green Arrow? He couldn't have healed that fast. Plus he was training on the island. He said he was not going back till he was "better".

[CConn]

When did GA appear in 52. Week 15 or so? Maybe it could fit. I mean, 15 weeks is nearly 4 months. He'd have to be back in Star City pretty early to win the election anyway.

[PWN3R]

He appeared in week #13.

[BrianWilly]

Connor appeared in the very first issue of 52.

And Ollie was back in his old costume and back in Star City not long after that.

Yeah, I agree that there's some continuity discrepancies. Not that big, and not that serious, but enough to make you stand up and say "Hmm."

[Knives122]

Did 52 start the very next week after IC? It's very possible for two puncture wounds to heal, training, and 3 months to find a guy and winning an election to take place in a year.

That or plot device.

[BrianWilly]

Yes, supposedly 52 started the very day after the events of IC.

Then again, if Ollie was in Star City dying from two arrows in his chest, there's not really any way to explain why he was also tracking down Brother Eye and stopping the supervillain prison breaks in the IC events, either.

Most people have suggested that the events of the Green Arrow arc right before OYL actually took place after the events of IC, which would make the most sense. But then, how long after IC are we talking about? We know that Star City was destroyed during the Crisis because that's what they keep telling us. And we know that Ollie appeared two months after IC, completely healthy and in his old costume, to keep taps on Star City. At first the assumption was that he was making trips between his island training spot and back to Star City, but now in his own book we're being told that he didn't go back to Star City at all until after his training was done.

[Knives122]

I smell a retcon coming on.....

But yeah, I'm gonna go by the OYL and decide that he didn't go back. Also the GA in week 13 was really just GL projecting him with his ring....

[CConn]

Comic book continuity is so fun. :)

[Assassin]

No, its because you blatantly called me a racist because I haven't.

no i said, "why, are you racist? lol"

the lol means it was a joke you bastard

[Shang-Chi]

i'm a huge Marvel zombie, but I've been reading this series for a bit now. I'm looking for scans of "The origin of The Question", I thought it was really sweet. so i'd appreciate it.

[Nightwing]

i'm a huge Marvel zombie, but I've been reading this series for a bit now. I'm looking for scans of "The origin of The Question", I thought it was really sweet. so i'd appreciate it.
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8507/mbuy5.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/)

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5390/mb2dx1.png (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Green Lantern]

no i said, "why, are you racist? lol"

the lol means it was a joke you bastardNo, you didn't include the "lol" or if you did it was after I had already blocked you. Thats a very stupid comment to make, regardless.

[SpideyInATree]

Just read Week 19 this morning. I really liked this weeks issue. Had lots of Lobo in it. And guess everyone who thought that that guy was taking Booster Gold's place sure ate the lemon on that one, huh? Definitely wasn't expecting Skeets to do that. And Wonder Girl needs to see a shrink, and FAST before she starts thinking everyone is Superboy. :oldrazz:

[Darthphere]

Green Arrow is drinking Wolverine's Kool-Aid.

[Assassin]

No, you didn't include the "lol" or if you did it was after I had already blocked you. Thats a very stupid comment to make, regardless.

dude, you're retarded. after all these years, you should know when i'm joking...plus my "other" jokes didnt offend you like this, and they should have.

:meow: :huh: :oldrazz:

[LinternaVerde]

i dunno if you have read last green lantern issue, 13...

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3576/greenlanternv4013page23cc5.jpg

[Anubis]

I know. Curiouser and Curiouser.

[Knives122]

I sense another big event coming....

[GoldenAgeHero]

rebirth 2.

[LinternaVerde]

I sense another big event coming....

already a big event... 52? the return/revenge of the monitors?

[Spike_x1]

Maybe they'll finally explain how Hank's character can exist without Superman's birthing matrix being in continuity.

[Green Lantern]

dude, you're retarded. after all these years, you should know when i'm joking...plus my "other" jokes didnt offend you like this, and they should have.

:meow: :huh: :oldrazz:They did, remember, I've blocked you before.

[Cobblepot]

Where can I find a summary of what has happened so far in 52?

And is it worth the money up untill now, I just can't get myself to spend 12 bucks a month extra on this book. I'm either waiting for the one dollar bin or to get in trades.

And in which issue was the New Batgirl introduced?

[Mister J]

Wizard has a pretty good weekly recap.
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/archive/52roundup.cfm

I'm really enjoying the title and think it's worth it. Some of the arcs aren't really anything special to me, but altogether it's one of my favorite books. I don't know about a dollar bin, but there won't be a trade released until the series is over (around sometime late next summer at best).

Batwoman was introduced #7 (alter ego) and #9 (superhero identity).

[CConn]

EDIT: J got it. :o

[Mister J]

^ Haha! :cmad:

[Cobblepot]

Thanks the both of you.
Guess I'll have some catching up to do.

[Eros]

why the hell hasn't the corps killed super-boy prime yet? They already know what could happen if he ever escaped, yet they foolshly keep the most dangerous being in the universe alive.

[The Question]

He's hardly the most dangerous. Darkseid would whup his ass. That is, if Darkseid were well written. :(

[Eros]

He's hardly the most dangerous. Darkseid would whup his ass. That is, if Darkseid were well written. :(

Darkseid hasn't been dangerous in many years. Super-boy prime killed dozens of superheros, Green lanterns, and took on two full powered super-men. Darkseid is nothing compared to superboy-prime. I just find it odd, Prime is still kept alive and well.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea I don't see why they let Superboy-Prime live.

[Tropico]

Riiiight, they were going to finish an event that was supposed to usher in a "kinder, gentler" DCU with the death of one of the main villains.

[Eros]

Riiiight, they were going to finish an event that was supposed to usher in a "kinder, gentler" DCU with the death of one of the main villains.

even though Golden age superman died, Conner kent died, but ofcourse killing a insane god-like super-boy prime would be to mean.:whatever:

[Tropico]

even though Golden age superman died, Conner kent died, but ofcourse killing a insane god-like super-boy prime would be to mean.:whatever:

You still fail to see the point. It's common for heroes to make sacrifices for the greater good, it's NOT heroic for the good guys to kill the villain. If they had made the heroes kill SBP they would have perpetuated the whole "the heroes have gotten too dark" motif. It has nothing to do with what I think is "mean" or "nice", it's about what direction DC had annonced they were going to go.

[Spike_x1]

I see what you mean, Trop, but I still have to admit that it is kind of a dumb idea on the Guardians' part to keep SBP alive. I mean, they're only asking for trouble.

[SpideyInATree]

I see what you mean, Trop, but I still have to admit that it is kind of a dumb idea on the Guardians' part to keep SBP alive. I mean, they're only asking for trouble.

There are a lot of murders and sex offenders who are sick beyond belief that we keep alive and in jail as well. The difference between the good guys and the bad guys are that the bad ones kill with no remorse and the good guys don't kill because it's wrong. Plain and simple moral of the story.

If you want to see Superboy Prime eat it, well, Lobo will do it for a nominal fee. :oldrazz: But according to 52 he's not like that anymore since becoming religious. :woot:

[Eros]

There are a lot of murders and sex offenders who are sick beyond belief that we keep alive and in jail as well. The difference between the good guys and the bad guys are that the bad ones kill with no remorse and the good guys don't kill because it's wrong. Plain and simple moral of the story.

If you want to see Superboy Prime eat it, well, Lobo will do it for a nominal fee. :oldrazz: But according to 52 he's not like that anymore since becoming religious. :woot:

Thats an odd way of thinking, Killing somebody because they need to be killed [or in the heat of battle] does not make a person bad. Just like we have the death sentence and cops,soldiers,goverment agents etc kill bad guys all the time. Becasue they have no choice, or they or forced to in the heat of battle or war. Lets also not forget the death sentence. Heroes in movies,TV,books and other mediums kill their evil oppnonets all the time. Obi-wan kenobi killed darth maul, but he has the same morals as superman. The good guys in Lord of the ring trilogy of books and movies, kill baddies all the time.in the bible God sent a flood to kill off most of the bad human race, and yet he is seen as the ultimate good guy. I just find it laughable the green lantern corps, who don't follow the same moral code of DC earth heroes, would keep super-boy prime alive. Areas of grey seperate bad fiction from good fiction, alien guardians keeping evil god-like being alive, is bad fiction.

[Spike_x1]

Areas of grey seperate bad fiction from good fiction, alien guardians keeping evil god-like being alive, is bad fiction.That's the way I see it too.

I do understand the approach that DC is trying to take, but there's just no logic behind it in this particular circumstance. I mean, if they were actually trying to rehabilitate Superboy Prime, then I wouldn't see a problem, but they really don't seem to be trying that. All the Guardians seem to be doing with him is keeping him alive in his little box just for the sake of keeping him alive.

[SpideyInATree]

Thats an odd way of thinking, Killing somebody because they need to be killed [or in the heat of battle] does not make a person bad. Just like we have the death sentence and cops,soldiers,goverment agents etc kill bad guys all the time. Becasue they have no choice, or they or forced to in the heat of battle or war. Lets also not forget the death sentence. Heroes in movies,TV,books and other mediums kill their evil oppnonets all the time. Obi-wan kenobi killed darth maul, but he has the same morals as superman. The good guys in Lord of the ring trilogy of books and movies, kill baddies all the time.in the bible God sent a flood to kill off most of the bad human race, and yet he is seen as the ultimate good guy. I just find it laughable the green lantern corps, who don't follow the same moral code of DC earth heroes, would keep super-boy prime alive. Areas of grey seperate bad fiction from good fiction, alien guardians keeping evil god-like being alive, is bad fiction.

Yeah, people kill to defend themselves. But they have still taken a human life, no matter how evil or bad the person is. How come they don't outlaw deadly weapons and just have the cops use tasers and just incapcitate the bad guys? How come our soldiers in Iraq have to kill the bad guys and not use stun guns or stun rounds to make them unconcious? You can take down the bad guys without killing them, that's the point.

In reality there are heavy shades of gray. When you're talking about a piece of fiction where a guy is from a planet called Krypton and under our sun he has unlimited powers, and a green glowing rock from his planet makes him weak and there are tons of other people with powers that could take human lives at the snap of a finger, it's kind of a different story. And there are characters who take lives and characters who don't take lives.

The moral of Infinite Crisis was that Golden Age Superman couldn't stand the darkness that the DCU had become. So, if they just outright snapped Superboy Prime's neck what would really have been the point of the entire Infinite Crisis? There would have been no point. And DC wouldn't have a kick ass bad guy to rely on in future stories either.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Just read Week 19 this morning. I really liked this weeks issue. Had lots of Lobo in it. And guess everyone who thought that that guy was taking Booster Gold's place sure ate the lemon on that one, huh? Definitely wasn't expecting Skeets to do that. And Wonder Girl needs to see a shrink, and FAST before she starts thinking everyone is Superboy. :oldrazz:Who says Wonder Girl was wrong? Waid said even Luthor will be calling him My Boy later on.

[SpideyInATree]

Who says Wonder Girl was wrong? Waid said even Luthor will be calling him My Boy later on.

It doesn't mean that it's him.

[Mister J]

Exactly. He could be part of Luthor's goon squad.

[Tropico]

Thats an odd way of thinking, Killing somebody because they need to be killed [or in the heat of battle] does not make a person bad. Just like we have the death sentence and cops,soldiers,goverment agents etc kill bad guys all the time. Becasue they have no choice, or they or forced to in the heat of battle or war. Lets also not forget the death sentence.

They need to be killed? That's an odd way of thinking and an extremely cavalier attitude about the value of life.

Heroes in movies,TV,books and other mediums kill their evil oppnonets all the time. Obi-wan kenobi killed darth maul, but he has the same morals as superman.

The same morals as Superman? People that go around engaging in duels and maiming people as a way to "keep the peace"? Really? Wow, the Superman you read is VERY different than the one I've read!:wow:

The good guys in Lord of the ring trilogy of books and movies, kill baddies all the time.in the bible God sent a flood to kill off most of the bad human race, and yet he is seen as the ultimate good guy.

The Lord of the Rings is a different genre. The way superheroes have behaved for years and what's considered acceptable for them is different. The Old Testament God was a very different God than later in the New Testament, I think you fail in that analogy.

I just find it laughable the green lantern corps, who don't follow the same moral code of DC earth heroes, would keep super-boy prime alive. Areas of grey seperate bad fiction from good fiction, alien guardians keeping evil god-like being alive, is bad fiction.

Meh, to you it might be bad fiction, I understand why it was done and why it was a better story for them NOT to kill him. And, like SpideyInATree said, it leaves a potentially powerful villain alive for a future conflict.

[Varient]

eh,.... kill him.

Death isn't forever in comics,....

[Kitsune]

eh,.... kill him.

Death isn't forever in comics,....

Nobody dies forever..

[Spike_x1]

That's the way I see it too.

I do understand the approach that DC is trying to take, but there's just no logic behind it in this particular circumstance. I mean, if they were actually trying to rehabilitate Superboy Prime, then I wouldn't see a problem, but they really don't seem to be trying that. All the Guardians seem to be doing with him is keeping him alive in his little box just for the sake of keeping him alive.Anyone?

[Darthphere]

Serial killers get thrown into jail without being "rehabilitated".

[Spike_x1]

They also have the death sentence for serial killers too, in some areas. Considering how many people SBP has killed and the fact that they're not even trying to rehabilitate him, the Guardians should have the stomach to carry out such a sentence.

[Darthphere]

Its not necessary at this juncture, therefore they will not carry out such an act. Same reason they just dont go and destroy the Manhunter homeworld.

The fact that the Guardians allowed to use lethal force on him at that point in IC#7 doesnt mean they have to use it after he was taken down.

[Eros]

Serial killers get thrown into jail without being "rehabilitated".

well if the serial killers could rearange planets, and punch holes into realities, im sure they might try and rehabilitate the guy or gal.

[Darthphere]

well if the serial killers could rearange planets, and punch holes into realities, im sure they might try and rehabilitate the guy or gal.


SBP didnt rearrange planets, that was Alex Luthor.

[Spike_x1]

SBP didnt rearrange planets, that was Alex Luthor.Yes, SBP did push some planets around in order to change the location of the center of the universe.

[Darthphere]

Oh well, regardless, my point still stands.

[Eros]

SBP didnt rearrange planets, that was Alex Luthor.

none the less, he can move planets, and he did alter relity with his fists. The only reason i can see why DC has kept prime alive, is maybe they are saving him for another Emerald Twilight story arc. Because when super-boy prime esacpes, he will have the power to kill every single guardian and GL. Its almost like the guardian are naive, dun they realize super-boy Prime will go after them first if he escapes.:huh:

[Spike_x1]

Oh well, regardless, my point still stands.A point which I very much do not agree with. In real life, certain prisoners (even after being brought down with non-lethal force) are sentenced to death, if their crimes were severe enough. In my honest opinion, Superboy Prime should be no different, considering the fact that his crimes have effects on a universal scale, and they probably will again after he escapes.

[Darthphere]

A point which I very much do not agree with. In real life, certain prisoners (even after being brought down with non-lethal force) are sentenced to death, if their crimes were severe enough. In my honest opinion, Superboy Prime should be no different.


And some aren't, those the facts right there. And you can always argue SBP is criminally insane, thereofre would be exempt from any death penalty going by our laws.

[Eros]

And some aren't, those the facts right there. And you can always argue SBP is criminally insane, thereofre would be exempt from any death penalty going by our laws.

Yea, and he would be put into an asylum ,where docters would try and rehabiliatate him, not just have him sitting around, plotting away to escape and destroy his captors. Im just saying, it is logically not wise to allow him to live, or to not try and help him regain his sanity. The fact is, him being alive is like the police putting a ticking nucleur bomb in prison[eventually its going to explode and kill everyone].

[Spike_x1]

And some aren't, those the facts right there. And you can always argue SBP is criminally insane, thereofre would be exempt from any death penalty going by our laws.And if he were deemed criminally insane, then therapy would be required. And as I said before, the Guardians do not seem to be trying to rehabilitate him at all.

If, however, they are trying to treat him, and it's only been happening off panel, than I take back everything I've said here (as I said in my original post, I'd be fine if they were actually trying to help SBP).

And if he was determined to be sane, than, as I wrote in my edit in my earlier post, the sheer universal scale of SBP's crimes should be enough to make the Guardians consider executing him. To use a real life example, if Bin Laden were caught, alive and well, do you honestly think for a moment that he wouldn't be executed, considering the scale of his crimes?

[Darthphere]

Yea, and he would be put into an asylum ,where docters would try and rehabiliatate him, not just have him sitting around, plotting away to escape and destroy his captors. Im just saying, it is logically not wise to allow him to live, or to not try and help him regain his sanity. The fact is, him being alive is like the police putting a ticking nucleur bomb in prison[eventually its going to explode and kill everyone].


Common fallacy. Not always the case. Some are thrown into asylums, heavily medicated and just vegetate all day. Thats the most the Guardians could do with SPB.

[Darthphere]

And if he were deemed criminally insane, then therapy would be required. And as I said before, the Guardians do not seem to be trying to rehabilitate him at all.

If, however, they are trying to treat him, and it's only been happening off panel, than I take back everything I've said here (as I said in my original post, I'd be fine if they were actually trying to help SBP).

And if he was determined to be sane, than, as I wrote in my edit in my earlier post, the sheer universal scale of SBP's crimes should be enough to make the Guardians consider executing him. To use a real life example, if Bin Laden were caught, alive and well, do you honestly think for a moment that he wouldn't be executed, considering the scale of his crimes?


As i said in my other post, rehabilitation under our laws isnt always required for any prisoner, sane or insane.

[Ultimate_Superman]

It doesn't mean that it's him.Correct but it doesn't mean that its not him as well

[Spike_x1]

Thats the most the Guardians could do with SPB.What gives you the idea that that's all they could do? To me, it doesn't seem as if they've even tried to do anything more.As i said in my other post, rehabilitation under our laws isnt always required for any prisoner, sane or insane.The insane and aware who are put into asylums are in there to help them with their mental problems. That's the entire reason why they're there instead of prison: to get help.

[Mister J]

Screw rehabilitation. Can the Guardians give the boy some drawers or something. Zeus knows how long he's been sittting there buck ass naked. If he wasn't already Looney Toons crazy, that would drive him there. :cmad: :super: