The Official '52' Thread

[Darthphere]

What gives you the idea that that's all they could do? To me, it doesn't seem as if they've even tried to do anything more.The insane and aware who are put into asylums are in there to help them with their mental problems. That's the entire reason why they're there instead of prison: to get help.


No, not really. Ive visited asyums as part of my Criminal Justice degree and I have been told by people giving the tours of these facilities that certain blocked off areas of the asylum are housing for those who present a danger to thmeselves and others with no hope of recuperation. Theyre hevaily sedated most of the day and take a wide range of medication. So no, the conception that asylums and prisons exist to help or rehabilitate people is inaccurate.

[Spike_x1]

No, not really. Ive visited asyums as part of my Criminal Justice degree and I have been told by people giving the tours of these facilities that certain blocked off areas of the asylum are housing for those who present a danger to thmeselves and others with no hope of recuperation. Theyre hevaily sedated most of the day and take a wide range of medication. So no, the conception that asylums and prisons exist to help or rehabilitate people is inaccurate.Ah, but the difference between the drugged up patients and SBP is that Superboy would not be considered a danger to himself, and therefore there's no reason for him not to be fully functional and capable of receiving therapy.

[Darthphere]

Ah, but the difference between the drugged up patients and SBP is that Superboy would not be considered a danger to himself, and therefore there's no reason for him not to be fully functional and capable of receiving therapy.


Because cutting an \S/ into your own chest is completely safe behavior.

[Spike_x1]

Did it harm him in any life threatening manner with the \S/? No.

Does he have any history of harming himself in a life threatening manner? No.

[Darthphere]

Did it harm him in any life threatening manner with the \S/? No.

Does he have any history of harming himself in a life threatening manner? No.


For #2, now he does.:o :o :o :o

[Spike_x1]

I haven't been following recent events too closely, so can you please elaborate?

[Darthphere]

lol, nevermind, im just kidding. Either way, its clear to me that SPB isnt going to recuperate with Dr. Phil Guardian therapy sessions.

[Spike_x1]

Well, it's clear to me that they haven't even attempted to try helping SBP with his issues and just gave up on him without a second thought.

[Darthphere]

Im pretty sure someone will write a nice little scene with some F-list GL psychoanalyzing him and him choking that GL while the other GL's punce on him.

[Varient]

Nobody dies forever..
heh.

U KNOW in our world we'd have killed him if possible,.... the guy is just too powerful AND twisted.

currently no one short of darkseid can go one on one against him,...

if he busted loose and gained a solar charge you'd have to have ww supes marv and the man hunter to have a "chance" to beat him.

I'm surprised guy hasn't killed him while on monitor duty.

[Spike_x1]

Im pretty sure someone will write a nice little scene with some F-list GL psychoanalyzing him and him choking that GL while the other GL's punce on him.Yeah, if they do have a therapy scene and mention that they've actually been trying to help him, but gave up on him because he was unresponsive or something like that, then I'd have no problem.

[Whirlysplat]

heh.

U KNOW in our world we'd have killed him if possible,.... the guy is just too powerful AND twisted.

currently no one short of darkseid can go one on one against him,...

if he busted loose and gained a solar charge you'd have to have ww supes marv and the man hunter to have a "chance" to beat him.

I'm surprised guy hasn't killed him while on monitor duty.

He's still no Johnny Bates, Kid Miracleman is the most evil grown up child superhero of all!!

http://www.worldsgreatestcritic.com/mm15.jpg

- Whirly

[SpideyInATree]

Correct but it doesn't mean that its not him as well

And, therefore, making this convo meaningless. :oldrazz:

[The Question]

Darkseid hasn't been dangerous in many years. Super-boy prime killed dozens of superheros, Green lanterns, and took on two full powered super-men. Darkseid is nothing compared to superboy-prime. I just find it odd, Prime is still kept alive and well.

He's stil not the most powerful being in the universe. The Spectre, Lucifer, Hourman with the Worlogog, and a well written Darkseid could all kill him without even trying.

[Kitsune]

And some aren't, those the facts right there. And you can always argue SBP is criminally insane, thereofre would be exempt from any death penalty going by our laws.
In real life criminally insane isn't a verry good defense. Insanity only protects a person if their insanity provents them from telling right from wrong. In our world Joker would have gone into the express lane for death row ages ago.

[Darthphere]

Thats a very simplistic, and inaccurate view on the defense.

[The Question]

In real life criminally insane isn't a verry good defense. Insanity only protects a person if their insanity provents them from telling right from wrong. In our world Joker would have gone into the express lane for death row ages ago.


That's not really true. Most times, an insanity defense will save you from the death penalty. Even if you're found guilty and not innocent by reason of insanity, they're still going to ship you off to a mental institution to get treatment. It's just, you also have a jail sentence.

[Kitsune]

Thats a very simplistic, and inaccurate view on the defense.

The public tends to believe that the insanity defence is used more often than it actually is, possibly because insanity-defence cases tend to be of a high-profile nature. The insanity plea is used in the U.S Criminal Justice System in less than 1% of all criminal cases, and only one fourth of those defendants are found "not guilty by reason of insanity".
It may be simplistic, but it's not inacuarte.

The M'Naghten Rules (1843) 10 C & F 200, state, inter alia, that a person may be "insane" if "...at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was labouring under such a defect of reason, arising from a disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing, or, if he did know it, that he did not know what he was doing was wrong." These rules are, as of 2005, in force in the majority of common law jurisdictions.:oldrazz:

More information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense

[Darthphere]

You just proved my point. SPB has no faculty to judge right and wrong because in his mind what he was doing was right. Case closed.

[The Question]

It may be simplistic, but it's not inacuarte.

As I said, even if they're found guilty, they'll still be sent to a mental hospital if they're genuinly insane.

[BrianWilly]

You just proved my point. SPB has no faculty to judge right and wrong because in his mind what he was doing was right. Case closed.A good lawyer might say that if he thought what he was doing was right, then he wouldn't have tried to hide it and be secretive about his actions. Though you might say that that was more Alex's influence than his own.

A good lawyer might then also point to the Titans killin' scene in IC#4 to show that he clearly did know what he was doing was wrong, at least the hands-on murder aspect of it.

If a person absolutely believes that they are right, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're insane. The idea of insanity usually pertains to if a person has absolutely no coherent idea of whether they were doing "right" or "wrong." A lot of criminals thought that what they were doing was "right." Doesn't make them insane.

Of course, everything I know about being a good lawyer comes from the tough but sassy ways of Law and Order: SVU.

[trustyside-kick]

Well this issue was a big let down...yea the Animal Man/Starfire/Adam Strange arc progressed but like nothing happened with Supernova. We saw exactly what the sneak preview was...all we saw was him in the Batcave looking at stuff..that was all. :(

[Anubis]

....So.

[trustyside-kick]

I was just hoping to see more about Supernova being there...we all knew he would be there from the sneak peak. :(

[Anubis]

Before this ends you'll be sick of Supernova. It's cool. They'll get to it. :cool:

[Darthphere]

A good lawyer might say that if he thought what he was doing was right, then he wouldn't have tried to hide it and be secretive about his actions. Though you might say that that was more Alex's influence than his own.

A good lawyer might then also point to the Titans killin' scene in IC#4 to show that he clearly did know what he was doing was wrong, at least the hands-on murder aspect of it.

If a person absolutely believes that they are right, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're insane. The idea of insanity usually pertains to if a person has absolutely no coherent idea of whether they were doing "right" or "wrong." A lot of criminals thought that what they were doing was "right." Doesn't make them insane.

Of course, everything I know about being a good lawyer comes from the tough but sassy ways of Law and Order: SVU.


The Titans scene in #4 is irrelevant because after the fact he continued to commit the same acts that he believed were wrong, further proving his psychosis had grown to the point to where what was once wrong in his mind, was right.


Try me again.:cmad:

[SouLeSS]

What the hell is up with this talking dolphin?

[Knives122]

You haven't heard? It's the space version od Flipper. Flying around in space helping evil people touch an emerald eye that eventually lands in the hands of some crazy person 1000 years from now.

[yenaled]

Lobo has always been extremly loving and protective of Space Dolphins always through his series. You have to go back and read some Lobo.

[SpideyInATree]

Read the latest week this morning. What the HELL was that gauntlet thing that Supernova uncovered in the Batcave? And what in the name of Gotham City was that mofo DOING in the Batcave? That was probably the most interesting thing this week for me.

And, of course, always awesome to see Lobo.

[Mister J]

The gauntlet was part of Luthor's power suit at one point. It has Kryptonite in the knuckles. But yeah, what the hell was he doing in the Batcave?

edit: I'm going to assume that the Kryptonite isn't under some kind of radiation-proof glass or something and rid myself of the Supernova = Kon-El lunacy. It's not definitive, but I like it. :up:

[Whirlysplat]

Lobo has always been extremly loving and protective of Space Dolphins always through his series. You have to go back and read some Lobo.

Oh yes, they have been used against him before, remember when Iceman killed lots of them as just one of many examples.

- Whirly

[Kitsune]

Oh yes, they have been used against him before, remember when Iceman killed lots of them as just one of many examples.

- Whirly

Iceman? I think you're a bit confused there, Iceman is a Marvel character and he didn't fight Lobo in the crossover, Wolverine did.

[Sebastos]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=85128

It seems Supernova's identity will be revealed in a #1 series. But what new series would that be?

[Tropico]

Iceman? I think you're a bit confused there, Iceman is a Marvel character and he didn't fight Lobo in the crossover, Wolverine did.

Iceman, an alien an interplanetary kingpin got to get rid of Lobo in the L.E.G.I.O.N. comics. I think the confusee might not be who you think.;)

[Whirlysplat]

Iceman, an alien an interplanetary kingpin got to get rid of Lobo in the L.E.G.I.O.N. comics. I think the confusee might not be who you think.;)

That's the one. :) You know your comics mate.

First apperance L.E.G.I.O.N. 91 number 32 if memory serves me right.

That makes you in your thirties, probably, like me. :)

- Whirly

[TheCorpulent1]

Or just a fan of old comics.

[Whirlysplat]

Or just a fan of old comics.


That's why I have a probably in the sentence, altholugh 91 isn't old comics.

- Whirly

[TheCorpulent1]

Sure, gramps. ;)

[Tropico]

Sure, gramps. ;)

So that makes youuuuu, what?, a balding mid life crisis overweight viagra swallowing middle aged dude?:D:up:

Yeah, Whirly, I'm a geezer too.:)

[Whirlysplat]

So that makes youuuuu, what?, a balding mid life crisis overweight viagra swallowing middle aged dude?:D:up:

Yeah, Whirly, I'm a geezer too.:)

lol, nah, my son keeps me busy a lot of the time and I am lucky with male pattern baldness, which is good as I am quite vain. Although I am a geezer :)

Nice :up:

- Whirly

[Whirlysplat]

Sure, gramps. ;)

:)

lol

I hope I'm not gramps for another 20 years at the earliest.

- Whirly

[Kitsune]

Who the **** is egg fu? Seriously we don't need him in 52. Not one bit.
I think he's a bad egg. (He's a bad Wonder Woman Villian)

[Tropico]

lol, nah, my son keeps me busy a lot of the time and I am lucky with male pattern baldness, which is good as I am quite vain. Although I am a geezer :)

Nice :up:

- Whirly

Oh, not YOU! Us early thirtysomething guys are EXTREMELY cool. I was talking about Corpy, 'cause if we're 'gramps' then that would make him what I said in the previous post. The cool think about being a geezer is that you know it and accept it and not live in denial like the upcoming whippersnappers.:p:D

[Whirlysplat]

Oh, not YOU! Us early thirtysomething guys are EXTREMELY cool. I was talking about Corpy, 'cause if we're 'gramps' then that would make him what I said in the previous post. The cool think about being a geezer is that you know it and accept it and not live in denial like the upcoming whippersnappers.:p:D

lol :)

All true.

- Whirly

[PWN3R]

I wish they would reveal which writer writes what in 52. This last issue had to be Morrison, it was beyond weird. :up:

[Purple Man]

I wish they would reveal which writer writes what in 52. This last issue had to be Morrison, it was beyond weird. :up:

Well you can almost tell which character is which writers favorite.

Greg Rucka with Montoya

Geoff Johns and Geoff Johns.

Animal Man, Adam Strange, and Starfire and Grant Morrison.

It's all a collaborative effort, but some writers have a deeper interest into certain characters than others.

[SpideyInATree]

I wish they would reveal which writer writes what in 52. This last issue had to be Morrison, it was beyond weird. :up:

Morrison probably wrote the bulk of the latest week because Giffen said in an interview that Morrison writes Lobo better than he did, and HE CREATED Lobo, heh. So, yeah, it was Morrison.

[Kitsune]

Speaking of obscure characters. I figured out who the wierdo in the tacky costume at Boosters funeral was. The guy who was talking to Beefeater. He's an obscure Ditko creation named Oddman. Here's the link.

http://ape-law.com/GAF/Article/article01.html

[drastic_quench]

Speaking of obscure characters. I figured out who the wierdo in the tacky costume at Boosters funeral was. The guy who was talking to Beefeater. He's an obscure Ditko creation named Oddman. Here's the link.

http://ape-law.com/GAF/Article/article01.html
I posted that weeks ago. He appeared in Infinite Crisis too.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I thought those guantlets Supernova was looking at was Azraels???

[Mister J]

If by Azrael, you mean Lex Luthor, then sure.

The color scheme gave it way. Then I came across some reviews that mentioned the gauntlet. Then I placed an online order for one of my own. 2-4 weeks and I'll be able to accessorize like a supervillain. :up:

[trustyside-kick]

If by Azrael, you mean Lex Luthor, then sure.

The color scheme gave it way. Then I came across some reviews that mentioned the gauntlet. Then I placed an online order for one of my own. 2-4 weeks and I'll be able to accessorize like a supervillain. :up:

Refrain from buying the so-called "Joker BANG!" gun. Mine came in and when I tested it actually had bullets. May Sammie rest in peace. :(

[Kitsune]

I don't' think Azreal ever wore pink and green

[OA blaster]

Refrain from buying the so-called "Joker BANG!" gun. Mine came in and when I tested it actually had bullets. May Sammie rest in peace. :(

i went for Captain Cold freeze gun, its great for dealing with noise people in the cinema but you need a ton of AA batteries

[Darthphere]

Stephen Wacker leaves DC for Marvel. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=85645)

[yenaled]

We all know that this is Marvel's attempt to derail and sabotage 52.

I do find it odd that he would leave in the middle of 52, yes obviously when an editor leaves it will always be in the middle of something. But 52 isn't just anything - it's a little bit special. He's seemed so involved in it that I just honestly find it weird that he couldn't have just waited to the end or that he didn't want to see it through (then again it isn't like I have any insight so I know nothing).

Anyway I wish him luck at Marvel, amybe he can get some of their books on time again.

[SouLeSS]

God I could only hope so/

[mathhater]

This sucks...and I fear for "52." Does anyone think that Marvel did this maliciously? If so, it's a real d1ck move...one that I would imagine would be detrimental to industry as a whole...because if it wasn't already apparant, then it just solidifies that we can't really trust any creator or company to provide us with these big, important events and see them through in their entirety...both in terms of timeliness and quality.

[Darthphere]

Of course, you can start blaming Marvel for this, which would be wrong, because at the end of the day Wacker couldve said no. But I dont balme him either, youre getting offered a new job, pays better and youre doing less work? No brainer.

[mathhater]

I know...but the integrity of the art form should count for something...

[Darthphere]

Maybe, but Wacker wasnt under contract with DC, he wasnt obligated to do anything. At the end of the day, DC should be glad Wacker took on 52 because no other editor wanted to be a part of it. He stepped up and got it done, nowhere does it say he has to stay for the integrity of the art form. Hes an editor for god's sake, not one of the writers or artists.

[SpideyInATree]

Another very interesting part of 52 this week. Ralph Dibney is going into complete bad ass role now, I'm digging it. And he has a floating helmet, you HAVE to like a guy who has a floating avatar of Dr. Fate. :oldrazz:

And Luthor continues his reign of complete jerk off, murderin' mutha fookaness that he's come to be known for. Though I feel he completely sacrificed way too hot of a chick, damnit.

And the Red Tornado looks to have a new lease on life thanks to a crafty Australian. :woot:

[The Question]

And Luthor continues his reign of complete jerk off, murderin' mutha fookaness that he's come to be known for. Though I feel he completely sacrificed way too hot of a chick, damnit.

I wasn't to big on Trajectory's death. It just seemed really really pointless. I mean, I'm all for Lex being ruthless in his actions, but when he does something that cold, he usually has a reason that's at least understandible, even if it's not entirely rational.

[Mister J]

I took that as Luthor viewing Infinity, Inc (:rolleyes:) as nothing more than interchangeable parts. He needs to amp up the drama in his little show, so he offed a chick who mouthed off to him earlier and was a bit too much of a individual. He didn't even flinch about it and immediately called for a replacement. Same callous and manipulative Luthor. He probably had it all planned as soon as Natasha made that plea to let Trajectory back on the team.

[Darthphere]

I took that as Luthor viewing Infinity, Inc (:rolleyes:) as nothing more than interchangeable parts. He needs to amp up the drama in his little show, so he offed a chick who mouthed off to him earlier and was a bit too much of a individual. He didn't even flinch about it and immediately called for a replacement. Same callous and manipulative Luthor. He probably had it all planned as soon as Natasha made that plea to let Trajectory back on the team.


Funny you use the rolleyes smiley when saying infinity inc. From the B/T thread:

52 Week 21-In this issue, we focus on the Luthor's Everyman team or shall I call them Infinity Inc. Honestly Dan Didio, when people asked if they were going to show up and you said yeah, in 52, im pretty sure people meant the real Infinity Inc, not Luthor buying the name and giving it to his team. Anywho, they fight a new Blockbuster, the "Teen Titans" show up I forgot why, one of the Everyman chicks die. Steel tries to get close to Natasha at the funeral, she yells at him, you know being the ungrateful ***** that she is and all and Beast Boy offers Steel help knowing something here is wrong. Decent issue, but not near the caliber of the last few issues. Oh, and Ralph does something. 7/10

[The Question]

I took that as Luthor viewing Infinity, Inc (:rolleyes:) as nothing more than interchangeable parts. He needs to amp up the drama in his little show, so he offed a chick who mouthed off to him earlier and was a bit too much of a individual. He didn't even flinch about it and immediately called for a replacement. Same callous and manipulative Luthor. He probably had it all planned as soon as Natasha made that plea to let Trajectory back on the team.

It just seemed so pointless. I mean, why did he need her dead? To generate sympathy for the team? If anything, I'd think it would make people think that the Everyman program wasn't up to snuff and less people would sign up.

[Mister J]

Maybe to make the show seem legit; give it some gravity. Having a death underscores how 'real' it is and makes the team's accomplishments seem that more dramatic. Trajectory seemed to move to her own beat. I don't know what Luthor has planned, but I'm sure it involves the members being malleable and following his orders.
Of course, it could be should just pissed him off and he's being a prick. It's hard to say. We don't know what his endgame is.
Funny you use the rolleyes smiley when saying infinity inc. From the B/T thread:
The caption "You Asked For It! Infinity, Inc." on the cover doesn't help either. :down

[The Question]

Maybe to make the show seem legit; give it some gravity. Having a death underscores how 'real' it is and makes the team's accomplishments seem that more dramatic. Of course, it could be should just pissed him off and he's being a prick. It's hard to say. We don't know what his endgame is.

And yet, having a member of the team die would simply make people think that the team is inept and Everyman is a failure. He wouldn't want that at all. Really, I love Luthor being cold and ruthless, but not when it's just for the sake of being cold and ruthless. He's not The Joker.

[Mister J]

It could seem that way, but he can always go and manipulate circumstances to make the team look strong in later battles. I just think he wanted her gone and went for the high drama and heavy dose of reality. People die in battle and it doesn't necessarily mean they were incompetent, just that they were up against more than they could handle in that particular case. It puts more emphasis on the team since Trajectory got killed attacking on her own instead of acting with her teammates. Like you alluded to, this is Luthor and it would seem that he would have a plan for offing her. I'm guessing it all fits in somehow.

[The Question]

I guess. But as of right now it just seems like arbitrairy killing. Which really isn't Lex's thing. Wether they're slefish or altruistic, he always has reasons for doing something nasty like that.

[Mister J]

True and they probably won't clue us in on all this for another 3 or 4 weeks.

edit: It won't be anywhere near that soon.

[Kitsune]

52 has been pretty good so far. Not every issue is worth buing, but enough of them are that I have about half of them. I hope it turns out well without wacker.

[Dwarf lord]

52 has been pretty good so far. Not every issue is worth buing, but enough of them are that I have about half of them. I hope it turns out well without wacker.

How can you not get them all? It's a continuing story... :huh:

[SpideyInATree]

52 has been pretty good so far. Not every issue is worth buing, but enough of them are that I have about half of them. I hope it turns out well without wacker.

You said "Wacker", huh huh

[Kitsune]

How can you not get them all? It's a continuing story... :huh:
Not every story ties in with every other story and not every issue has been worth buying.

[Crowforge]

So far as you know...
I didn't think the killing was needed or even the right thing to do, once john tells starlight (through the titans?) lex can turn off your powers with a switch she's going to put two and two together and bash lex's head in with her power suit. Going back an issue or two I am very relived that they didn't truly ruin lobo with this church scam.

[Fledermaus]

Good issue this week. Just one question.

Is that a f**king Sentinel?
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/sentinal.jpg

Cause this is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Sentinels.PNG


Compare.

That's strange.

[Varient]

Well with this issue we see that both Steel and his neice will someday be returned to normal.

Eh,... it was a weak issue in that part,... I actually liked the "Ralph Digby - HardAzz" segment much better.

[sethcohen]

spoilers?

[yenaled]

WILL MAGNUS!

That is all.

[Mister J]

I was rather indifferent this week.

Luthor mildly flipping out over the combination of over his inability to decipher the identity of Supernova (ultimately believeing it's Superman) and wanting to be a subject for Project Everyman himself.
some badass with a shady past named Jon Standing Bear, who we haven't seen the last of and who I've had enough of already
an indication that Steel plans to bring Luthor's comeuppance sooner than later
and some rather cool ongoing, if not slighty dizzying, issues with with Dr. Magnus and the Metal Men (whom I don't know enough about). Like Fledermaus said, WTF was that at the end?

Oh well, the preview for next week looks good. Maybe we'll get some Black Adam beatdowns. :up:

[WompuM]

I would not at a moment's hestiation buy a black adam ongoing.

[yenaled]

I definatly would wouldn't not maybe buy a Black Adam mini not.

[Agentdemon]

sentinels!!

[Crowforge]

We hates Black Adam. *runs off to get the new issue*

[SouLeSS]

Ahhah, one of the guys that visits my comic store (as I'm an employee there now. Joy of joys.) told me that he picks up 52 every few weeks depending on what the reviewers of various sites say. He claims that "it's not good enough / worty of getting bought every week, and the story more than less sucks".

Sad sad people.

[Tropico]

Ahhah, one of the guys that visits my comic store (as I'm an employee there now. Joy of joys.) told me that he picks up 52 every few weeks depending on what the reviewers of various sites say. He claims that "it's not good enough / worty of getting bought every week, and the story more than less sucks".

Sad sad people.

So he feels that the story mainly sucks, but if other people say it's good he'll buy it?:rolleyes: Is this what the guy looks like?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/DDude/Owned/lemmings.jpg

Without the pick, of course.:o

[Darthphere]

Poppycock, its $10 a month, its not like youre putting out a second mortage on your house to get it. Pseudo-elitist *******s.

[Tropico]

Poppycock, its $10 a month, its not like youre putting out a second mortage on your house to get it. Pseudo-elitist *******s.

:confused::huh:

[Darthphere]

/Rant

[Tropico]

Against reviewers? 'Cause I'm consistently getting 52 and apparently enjoy a wider range of stories than many of the people here. I mean.....
<----should say it all.:D

[Vic Von Doom]

I enjoy 52 every week but I miss Black Adam and that Skeets cliffhanger is killing me. Plus I want more Dibny. Pretty much a rough few weeks. Oh, well. I got a taste of the Dibny, anyway.

[yenaled]

I want Will Magnus to kick more butt.

That man is such a pimp.

[Tropico]

Has it been explained anywhere how he became human again?

[Vic Von Doom]

Has it been explained anywhere how he became human again?

He made a reference to having a nervous breakdown thinking that he was a machine and all the Metal Men were real people. I don't know if that is what you are referring to, but it's possible that quote means he was always human and just thought he was a machine. Not sure.

[Anubis]

I think he was back to being a human again due to Infinate Crisis.

[Tropico]

According to Wiki: "In the fast and furious climax, Gold was permanently killed and Doc Magnus mortally wounded. Doc permanently transferred his personality into a blank robot known as Veridium, made of a green alien metal. Doc became the new robotic leader of the Metal Men." I think it was in OWAW where he was helping devise strategies and he was in his Veridium version. Yeah, IC "re-writing" is what I thought happened, but wanted to make sure if something happened in some other comic.

[yenaled]

In Infinite Crisis it was shown as one of the things that has gone out of continuity, the whole stuff with the Metal Men being dead soldiers souls in robot bodies is also not canon and Gold being dead and Will being Veridium. It was along with android Max Lord, Hal Jordan going to prison on the page where continuity was changed.

[Assassin]

max lord was an android?

[Crowforge]

Let's hope they keep this continuity as I barely understand the DC universe.

[Fledermaus]

I read this on Newsarama:

It's no secret that Luthor's arch-enemy is the Man of Steel (boy, that was fun to say), and Lex would go to any extreme to best him, even if it means altering his own DNA. And just because we haven't seen his face, doesn't mean that Supes hasn't been around these past 23 weeks. On top of all that is the fact that Lex is concerned with power. He can't have enough of it, no matter what form it comes in.

Haven't seen his face? Hmmmmm.

[Mister J]

But we've seen Clark who, unless continuity has gone to hell, should still be powerless. :huh:
God, I don't wanna think right now.

[yenaled]

You're reading it wrong. He is saying Lex is thinking just because he hasn't seen Supermans face around the place he still knows he is around. Remember Lex doesn't know Clark is Superman.

Where as we as readers know exactly what is happening with Clark.

[Mister J]

Good. That, I can go with. Told you I didn't feel like thinking. :up:

[Darthphere]

Marvel needs to sue....

[sethcohen]

why?

[The Leaguer]

I like how the Supernova scene mirrored the scene in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel where Supes floats outside the window and Luthor yells at him, and then Supes flies away.

It could have been a mirror of something else, too, but I doubt it was as good as LL: Man of Steel.

[Fledermaus]

Marvel needs to sue....


why?


Here's why:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/sentinal.jpg

[SouLeSS]

Sorry, I didn't know Marvel had the rights to "giant robots".

Maybe they should sue whoever started Transformers as well

[trustyside-kick]

Well the face is just so identical to the Sentinels though.

[LinternaVerde]

http://www.wordparts.com/images/the-iron-giant/iron-giant-head.gif
every robot is equal to another one

[The Question]

Well the face is just so identical to the Sentinels though.

Not really. Looks more like a giant Robotman to me.

[trustyside-kick]

Well when first reading the issue and seeing that image I thought "Whoa...Sentinel head."

[Darthphere]

http://www.wordparts.com/images/the-iron-giant/iron-giant-head.gif
every robot is equal to another one


You are what you choose to be.

[The Leaguer]

Super-Chief. I blame it on Johns.

[SpideyInATree]

Decent week. They finally got back to the Doc Magnus plot thread, took their asses long enough.

Luthor thinking Supernova is Superman was always entertaining. And the whole "Indian Superman" thing kind of came right out of left field unless I missed something in the other weeks, or in DC continuity. :o

[Anubis]

Heh, Super Chief. At first, I thought this was kinda a prequal to the new Black Condor, then I thought, New manitou Raven. Which wouldn't have been a bad idea. But Super Chief? Ha, oh man. Well okay. Bring on the Super Chief. I think I saw him on an episode of Bugs Bunny once.

[SpideyInATree]

I was thinking to myself, "Are they TRYING to be extremely corny on purpose?"

[The Question]

Super Chief is an old DC western character. His stories took place in the 1400s in North America. There was a story where the origional Super Chief, 400 years old and obviously well past his prime, teamed up with Jonah Hex and Bat Lash for one last hurrah. There was also an issue of Superman during his electric blue phase where Supes fought someone using Super Chief's amulate on behalf of organized crime.

[Anubis]

Well, you can't say the guys not a badass. He beat the crap out of a rapist and killed his own drunk abusive Grandfather. But his name is Super Chief. And you can't get anymore corny than that.

[yenaled]

I quite like Super Cheif.

I never realised before that Manitou was meant to be the person who made the amulet that Super Chief wears. That's cool.

[The Question]

Well, you can't say the guys not a badass. He beat the crap out of a rapist and killed his own drunk abusive Grandfather. But his name is Super Chief. And you can't get anymore corny than that.

Well, that's only his name in english.

I never realised before that Manitou was meant to be the person who made the amulet that Super Chief wears. That's cool.

Manitou is a Native American creator god. Manitou Raven has Manitou on his name because he is a preist of Manitou the great spirit.

[Sebastos]

New covers and a new article.
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week22/week22.html

[Sebastos]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week22/52-Cv24-ns.jpg

:wow:

[Mister J]

Firestorm, Super Chief and who, who and who? :huh:

[Sebastos]

I know one of them is Firehawk. Whose the green guy?

[Fledermaus]

I know one of them is Firehawk. Whose the green guy?

The green guy is The Goddamn Ambush Bug. and Bulleteer is the silver chick.

[Sebastos]

I knew about Bulleteer, but I honestly didn't know the Ambush Bug.

[Mister J]

OK, Bulleteer. I remember an old-school Bulletgirl, but I figured that wasn't her.

[yenaled]

Manitou is a Native American creator god. Manitou Raven has Manitou on his name because he is a preist of Manitou the great spirit.


ah ok.

Learn something everyday

[The Question]

I knew about Bulleteer, but I honestly didn't know the Ambush Bug.

Praise and recoice his holy name. :o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambush_bug)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Irwin2.gif

[SpideyInATree]

OK, Bulleteer. I remember an old-school Bulletgirl, but I figured that wasn't her.

Bulleteer just had her own miniseries in Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory, which more people need to have read. :csad:

[Sebastos]

Praise and recoice his holy name. :o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambush_bug)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Irwin2.gif

Lol, thanks man. I'll definetly do my research on him. The whole time i've known DC, never have I come across this character.

[Anubis]

That's a cool cover.

[Kitsune]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week22/52-Cv24-ns.jpg

:wow:

Clockwise... Bullet Girl (Does DC or AC have the rights to her?) Firehawk, Ambush Bug, Super Chief, and Constantly on the Verge of being Cancled Man.

[yenaled]

I <3 Ambush Bug

[Sebastos]

What titles has he been in?

[Purple Man]

Bulleteer and she belongs to DC from Morrisons Seven Soldiers.

She pretty much as the same abilities as the new Steel. Though she is pretty much his opposite in the way that she doesn't view herself as a hero at all.

Twenty four has one of the best covers, Ambush Bugs shirt is awesome, and I believe it to most definitly be a clue.

[yenaled]

He was in Action Comics for a while, he started out as a supervillain.

Then he had a series of miniseries which got weirder and weirder as they went on. For instance his main villain is Argh!yle who is a sentient alien sock who wears a Dr. Doom mask because he was mauled by a cat when he landed on Earth (He came from the same Closet as the suit Ambush Bug wears - which allows him to teleport anywhere on Earth). He also battled a sentient DC Logo called Jonni DC - Continuity Cop. Who was erasing characters and events from continuity to make the world more streamlined and perfect.

Safe to say he's a pretty silly character.

[Sebastos]

Thanks for the info yenaled. I haven't read that many AC issues so I woundn't know. What issue was his appearance?

[yenaled]

This is as complete list as I can find (http://www.dcuguide.com/chronology.php?name=ambushbug). It's not full list but has most of his apperances.

[Sebastos]

Dude, thank you. I think my shop has a few of these that date back to then. I'll definetly go look for them. I'm a Marvel zombie, but DC is great as well.

[Crowforge]

Bulleteer really should drop that helmet and Super Chief should drop the hat and name. Ca'nt there be a native american super hero that doesn't scream 'I'm a native american super hero'?

[The Question]

Bulleteer really should drop that helmet and Super Chief should drop the hat and name. Ca'nt there be a native american super hero that doesn't scream 'I'm a native american super hero'?


Super Chief is just the english translation of his name. He could just go by his origional name, Saganowahna.

[yenaled]

I can't believe he has a Native American name that just screams 'I'm a Native American Superhero'.

[Whirlysplat]

I <3 Ambush Bug

I remember his first appearance when he pissed off Superman, I also have a soft spot for the bug.

- Whirly

[BrianWilly]

Bulleteer really should drop that helmet and Super Chief should drop the hat and name. Ca'nt there be a native american super hero that doesn't scream 'I'm a native american super hero'?
Black Condor 3.0;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Blackcondordcu1.jpg

[The Question]

I can't believe he has a Native American name that just screams 'I'm a Native American Superhero'.

Sounds cooler than "Super Chief." :o

Black Condor 3.0;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Blackcondordcu1.jpg

Black Condor 2.0 was Native American, and he wasn't a total steriotype. He was a genetic experiment, wasn't especially religious, and was actually kind of indifferent towards helping people. Not that he didn't help people, but he didn't go on patrol or anything.

[The Leaguer]

Why can't we just have Manitou Raven back.

[Anubis]

Yeah. Now there was a Native American Superhero.

[The Leaguer]

His death f***ing rocked, but I'd have it undone in an instant if it meant no more Super-Chief.

[Fledermaus]

How did Manitou Raven die?

[The Leaguer]

Shielding Major Disastor from an explosion.

[The Question]

Shielding Major Disastor from an explosion.


Which, in retrospect, is highly ironic.

[Fledermaus]

Wow. What a s**tty way to go out. Protecting a psycho.

[The Question]

Major Disaster isn't psychotic. He's just kind of an *******.

[TheCorpulent1]

An ******* with a heart of gold.

[Assassin]

for about 3 seconds before they said manitu, i thought they were making Apachie Cheif part of the DCU


Apachie cheif grow!

[TheCorpulent1]

Manitou rocks Apache Chief in every way.

[Fledermaus]

Didn't Apache Chief say "Enuck Chuck" when he wanted to get big? If were only that easy for us all.

[yenaled]

Manitou Raven also said "Inukchuk!" when he did things like casting spells, he also did it when growing big. So basically he is the Apachie Chief of the DCU.

[Anubis]

Only waaayyy cooler.

[sinewave]

yay for ambush bug being in the 52 jla! what's with that stupid buffalo mask that super chief wears? it makes him look like a cross between that big hairy monster on bugs bunny and the grand pubah from the flinstones.

[Crowforge]

Yeah and it doesn't do anything

[yenaled]

Oolong Island :D

I told ya'll Egg Fu was going to be in this.

[Fledermaus]

This is like the first Wednesday since it started that I haven't been able to get "52" on time. And not one of you a**holes have any spoilers. I'd even settle for a Binker review.

[batnkevlar]

What's so good about Ambush Bug?

[Anubis]

Like, Everything.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's got the word "ambush" in his name. That's, like, ten points right there.

[yenaled]

I already wrote a brief history of the bug somewhere in this thread.

[Knives122]

And so begins Osiris.

[Mister J]

OK, so the kidnapping of Magnus is to ...get him to some tropical island, home to the Mad Scientist Science Fair? Beach chairs, fruity drinks and bikini babes. :huh:Who in the bloody blue blazes is behind this and what in Highfather's name do they want?

We finally get back to Question and Montoya who get a birds-eye view of Isis' brother, Amon, getting his ass kicked for continously running away from captivity. The baddies find them snooping, then the calvary arrives in the form of Black Adam and Isis (who stops BA from truly and royally laying the smacketh down and thus, ticking me off :mad:). They've beaten the living hell out of Amon and Isis can't heal him up completely, so Adam gets all touchy-feely, gets Amon to say his name and what do you know, the kid goes all Black Adam Jr. and we get Osiris. Pretty good deal thoroughly enhanced by Q delievering the line of the week...

Q: Black Adam! Shazam! Isis!
Renee: What the hell are you doing?
Q: Seeing if it's contagious.

Oh, that wacky Charlie. :up:

Then the All New Marvel Family goes to ...China. :huh:

Good stuff this week. I'm enjoying this arc the most. I could go for a few more revelations, but that's what next week is for. To think, DC still has another $72.50 to wring out of me on this deal and I'm actually happy about it. I'm so happy, I could go to China too. :up:

[Fledermaus]

Finally I got some spoilers. I was going through D.T.'s man. getttin all shaky and s**t.

[Mister J]

A shot of bourbon (or two or ten) would have cleared all that up. :up:

[Purple Man]

Oolong Island :D

I told ya'll Egg Fu was going to be in this.

Yep, the name of the island pretty much seals that China is up to no good, and probably involves the infamous Egg Fu.

I wonder if we'll see the Black Adam and Mad Scientist stories crossing over soon.

Also, did anyone notice the picture of the dead heroes memorial in the 'Next in 52' panel on the last page? I wonder what's up with that.

And this new Justice League. Can't wait to see Bulleteer and Ambush Bug in action.

[Assassin]

Its impossible that osiris is the TT traitor, he's just a innocent kid.

[Fledermaus]

And Miss Martian is just a cute little green chick.

[Darthphere]

And Robin is just a victim of pedophilia.

[Fledermaus]

Is Robin really a victim? I mean that kid was asking for it, with those fairy boots and little green speedo.

[Darthphere]

Is Robin really a victim? I mean that kid was asking for it, with those fairy boots and little green speedo.


Depends on who you ask.

http://www.washblade.com/2004/7-9/news/localnews/foley-mark.jpg

[WompuM]

Allright now, I started off jokingly with my whole "Supernova is Dr. Manhatten" but you know what, now we have...
1) a rough, faceless, detective
2) a godlike being who can teleport and "send things away"
3) an island full of mad scientists

Come on, sound familiar to anybody else???

[Doc Destruction]

So, no Question fans got excited that Adam CALLED HIM "Question" finally, eh?

[Doc Destruction]

What's so good about Ambush Bug?

You should be flogged for such insolence.

[GoldenAgeHero]

how is supernova godlike?

[WompuM]

The same way Superman or Dr. Manhatten are godlike. Probably something with the color blue.

[LinternaVerde]

Q: Black Adam! Shazam! Isis!
Renee: What the hell are you doing?
Q: Seeing if it's contagious.

the finest line of months...

it's like that old tv show, moonlightning!

give them a regular!

[trustyside-kick]

OK, so the kidnapping of Magnus is to ...get him to some tropical island, home to the Mad Scientist Science Fair? Beach chairs, fruity drinks and bikini babes. :huh:Who in the bloody blue blazes is behind this and what in Highfather's name do they want?

We finally get back to Question and Montoya who get a birds-eye view of Isis' brother, Amon, getting his ass kicked for continously running away from captivity. The baddies find them snooping, then the calvary arrives in the form of Black Adam and Isis (who stops BA from truly and royally laying the smacketh down and thus, ticking me off :mad:). They've beaten the living hell out of Amon and Isis can't heal him up completely, so Adam gets all touchy-feely, gets Amon to say his name and what do you know, the kid goes all Black Adam Jr. and we get Osiris. Pretty good deal thoroughly enhanced by Q delievering the line of the week...

Q: Black Adam! Shazam! Isis!
Renee: What the hell are you doing?
Q: Seeing if it's contagious.

Oh, that wacky Charlie. :up:

Then the All New Marvel Family goes to ...China. :huh:

Good stuff this week. I'm enjoying this arc the most. I could go for a few more revelations, but that's what next week is for. To think, DC still has another $72.50 to wring out of me on this deal and I'm actually happy about it. I'm so happy, I could go to China too. :up:

Yea I am enjoying this arc the most as well. And yes, the whole "Black Adam! Shazam! Isis!" thing was hilarious.

Great issue this week. :up:

[NHawk19]

umm I've been following 52 but not much outside of it. Who is Supernova?

[Doc Destruction]

We don't know yet.

[The Leaguer]

The fact that Aztek is in the "preview" of next issue kicks ass.

[NHawk19]

We don't know yet.

Is there anyone besides CK that we can rule out?

[WompuM]

As long as the CK stands for Clark Kent and Connor Kent.

[Purple Man]

The fact that Aztek is in the "preview" of next issue kicks ass.

Too bad he's only part of the super hero graveyard.

[The Leaguer]

It doesn't matter. What matters is that they remembered him.

[Purple Man]

But does anyone remember Snapper Carr? Nooo

[The Leaguer]

He doesn't deserve it.

[NHawk19]

As long as the CK stands for Clark Kent and Connor Kent.

Acctually I was only thinking Clark. Conner . . . . well no one ever really dies in the DCU :hyper:

[The Leaguer]

Hal died. And that f***er should have stayed dead.

[Knives122]

Well he was staying that way until they got him.

Not his fault.

[Doc Destruction]

Hal died. And that f***er should have stayed dead.

Not.

[Purple Man]

Let the hate flow through you.

I never liked Hal until he came back.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/dc/0306/GreenLanternCv10.jpg

Kiss his ring.

[Darthphere]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week23/52_Cv25.jpg

[Green Lantern]

The origin of Nightwing... with GEORGE PEREZ F**K YES!

[The Punisher]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Week23/52_Cv25.jpg

Trick or Treat.

[Anubis]

Lol sweet

[cerealkiller182]

Took me awhile to see what Lil Booster was holding.

[The Leaguer]

Not.
I believe you meant to type, "yes."

[Purple Man]

Wow. I love that cover. The Halloween issue is going to be awesome.

The death of Kite Man? Say it aint so!

Origin of Nightwing with George Perez will be a nice treat. How about George Perez on the Nightwing monthly, he might fit in nice with that guy who's writing him now. What was his name Wolf Man?

[Green Lantern]

I would literally cream my pants if they put Perez on the NW monthly with Marv. Those are my favorite creators, and it'd be unbelievably awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

Let the hate flow through you.

I never liked Hal until he came back.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/dc/0306/GreenLanternCv10.jpg

Kiss his ring.
Funny, I never had much of a problem with Hal until they brought him back. Now I hate him in ways I never even thought possible.

[SpideyInATree]

Decent issue this week. I'm surprised there isn't more talk about Oolong Island, or whatever that was. All those scientists hanging out there with drugs, heh. DC is really going nuts with people doing drugs in their comics. :oldrazz:

Good to see The Question back in the book, and his line was the line of the book. :woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

DC is really going nuts with people doing drugs in their comics. :oldrazz:
Perhaps you didn't know, but there's this guy named Grant Morrison who has a big hand in 52's production. Art imitates life, remember? ;)

[SpideyInATree]

Well, Grant doesn't write Checkmate and we saw Mirror Master doing a couple lines of coke in that book. I've got nothing against it, in fact I like seeing super villains getting bombed...because that's what I figured most of them would be doing anyway.

[yenaled]

Mirror Master has been doing drugs for ages. His spotlight issue in Flash delt with it heavily.

[TheCorpulent1]

Mirror Master's been a coke addict for a while now, actually.

Curses, foiled by yen's twinklefingers. :o

[SpideyInATree]

I was informed in the Checkmate thread of Mirror Masters battles with cocaine before. It just seemed a little interesting to me that there's been a lot of mention of drug use in only a months time in a couple mainstream DC titles. I think I'm more interested that they've actually been SHOWING it.

[yenaled]

Oh totally, that issue with Speedy on Heroin is a doozy.

[yenaled]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan07/52_35_solicit.jpg

Week 35.

[The Question]

Are those people? Freaky.

[Anubis]

Possibly his new Infinity INC.

[trustyside-kick]

Looks like people on fire falling from the roof. :eek:

[TheCorpulent1]

That looks cool, but all of this Lex stuff keeps filling me with dread because I know that, however awesome he is in 52, by the time OYL hits he'll be a retard thanks to "Up, Up, and Away." :(

[Darthphere]

**** you, Giant Kryptonian Crystal Robots that launch crystal tanks is teh l33t.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, yeah, totally. :(

[The Question]

I'm still wondering the point of what Lex is doing in 52. It seems that he's just killing people for ****s and giggles.

[The Leaguer]

That Lex cover is badass.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still wondering the point of what Lex is doing in 52. It seems that he's just killing people for ****s and giggles.
Damn straight. That's how Lex rolls.

[The Leaguer]

Does Lex really need another point?

[TheCorpulent1]

I daresay no.

[The Leaguer]

Then let it be decreed: Lex needs no other reason to kill people than for s***s and giggles.

[The Question]

It just always seemed, in the past, that he justified killing peple in some way or another.

[The Leaguer]

F*** justification. He's Lex Luthor.

[The Question]

F*** justification. He's Lex Luthor.

You do make sense in a horribly nonsensical kind of way.

[TheCorpulent1]

You do make sense in a horribly nonsensical kind of way.
It's part of his charm. The other part is unrelenting obnoxiousness.

[The Question]

It's part of his charm. The other part is unrelenting obnoxiousness.

Lex Luthor or Leaguer?

[TheCorpulent1]

Both.

[The Leaguer]

I am the Lex Luthor of the Hype.

[The Question]

Actually, I can kind of see that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I am the Lex Luthor of the Hype.
You're not that cool. You're more like the Norman Osborn of the Hype.

[The Leaguer]

As much as I'd like have f***ed Gwen Stacy, I'm sticking with Lex. F*** you.

[WompuM]

You're more like... the Oscar the Grouch of the Hype.

[The Leaguer]

I play many roles.

[WompuM]

And have a soft spot for your pet elephant.

[Kitsune]

I would literally cream my pants if they put Perez on the NW monthly with Marv. Those are my favorite creators, and it'd be unbelievably awesome.
You know there is such a thing as "TOO MUCH INFORMATION"

[drastic_quench]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern
I would literally cream my pants if they put Perez on the NW monthly with Marv. Those are my favorite creators, and it'd be unbelievably awesome.
You know there is such a thing as "TOO MUCH INFORMATION"
Figuratively creaming your pants is obscene. He wrote that he would "literally" cream his pants, though. So I'd expect he was using "cream" as a transitive verb. That is he would: "prepare or cook [his pants] in or with a cream sauce".

[WompuM]

MMmmmm.... creamed pants..... awwwhhhlll.......

I thought maybe he was shoving clapton and ginger baker and jack bruce down his pants.

[Green Lantern]

MMmmmm.... creamed pants..... awwwhhhlll.......

I thought maybe he was shoving clapton and ginger baker and jack bruce down his pants.For that, I am not worthy :o

[SpideyInATree]

You know there is such a thing as "TOO MUCH INFORMATION"

I could give you too much information if you'd like to see what that is really like... :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

What are you, some kind of exhibitionist? Get out of here, freak. :o