The James Gordon / Gary Oldman Thread

[DavidTyler]

I'm hoping that Nolan spends a lot more time exploring the relationship between Batman and Gordon.

Aside from that, Gordon was promoted by the end of the first film. Do you think that Nolan will promote Gordon to Commissioner by the end of this film?

And, in additon to that, will Nolan provide Gordon with his own supporting cast in the form of Bullock, Montoya, Sara Essen, and his family?

[warren_sparta27]

i'm not too sure, but shouldn't Gordon become Captain before Comissioner, or is that what he got promoted to in Begins?

yes i agree that Batman and Gordons relationship should be expolred further, something that the first Batman films never had.

and yes Nolan should include Bullock, Montoya and Sara Essen.
it would be much better to see Bullock and Montoya with Gordon at a murder scene than just some random guy in a police outfit.

[The Chairman]

I'd love to see more of Gordon in the second film. Gary Oldman was awesome and I'd like to see the character given more depth.

[COMPO]

I agree. I think they should do this in the next film. Have batman call gordon lieutenant and Gordon is alway saying to him call me Jim. And by the end of the film he calls him Jim symbolizes there relatioship is growing from just alies.

Concluding from this i think that Black Mask should try and kill Bruce Wayne. Batman had already captured him, but Joker set him free. And goes looking for revenge yadda yadda... So anyway. Black Mask surprises Wayne knocking him out, he's just about to shoot him when suddenly Gordon burst in and shoots Black Mask wounding him. Bruce thanks him when he comes to (like you do) Then Bruce remembers how Gordon comforted Bruce the night his parents where murdered (i know what your all thinking, at this point). And as i sort of symotry (i can't be assed changing that) Bruce says "i never said thank you" and Gordon replys "and you'll never have to. And plus, Gordon and Batman at the end will both have a feeling of loss. What with Sarah Essen being kille and (if) Rachael is killed

[The Guard]

See, I'd like to see this, but I don't know where "A lot more time" will come from, now that The Joker and Harvey Dent and others are in the picture. I find it hard to believe there'll be a whole lot of depth or exploration of their relationship in BATMAN 2 if half the characters rumored to appear show up. I'd like to see Essen and Bullock (not Montoya yet, save her for a third film).

[Two-Face]

Been Commissioner is early for Gordon he should be promoted to Captain in end of BB2.

[DavidTyler]

I thought they could promote him to Captain between the first and second movie and then, maybe, promote him to Commish.

Just a thought. I'd be happy if he just makes Capt. in the next film.

[warren_sparta27]

I agree. I think they should do this in the next film. Have batman call gordon lieutenant and Gordon is alway saying to him call me Jim. And by the end of the film he calls him Jim symbolizes there relatioship is growing from just alies

i like this idea, nothing major, but still efective.
and i'd rather see him become captain in the 2nd movie after Batman, Dent qand himself help bring down Joker.

[Ronny Shade]

Becoming Commish is a big to-do. That should happen in #3 at the soonest.

[COMPO]

I think that loeb should be under the mobs employ or be killed by the joker so that Gordon can become commissioner. Like tehy did ionm batman: year one.

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm hoping that Nolan spends a lot more time exploring the relationship between Batman and Gordon.

Aside from that, Gordon was promoted by the end of the first film. Do you think that Nolan will promote Gordon to Commissioner by the end of this film?

And, in additon to that, will Nolan provide Gordon with his own supporting cast in the form of Bullock, Montoya, Sara Essen, and his family?

Oh I think that will definetly happen. Because this franchises focuses on Batman on the authentic noir crime fighting aspect, his relationship with Gordon (and as a result Gordon's development as a law enforcer) will grow.

As far as adding the others, while I'm sure they work well in Nolan's world (which seems very Frank Miller/Loeb inspired) I dont know if there is any room for them without letting the plot develop. That is to say do does Batman need so many allies as well or side characters. As it is, we are projected to see Fox, Gordon and Dent. Add to that we have Alfred and Commisner Loeb (maybe?), and you gotta make sure the focus isnt taken off Batman like the multi-villians did in the last franchise.

[Batman2005]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j140/feezar/gordon.jpg

[Stringer]

Becoming Commish is a big to-do. That should happen in #3 at the soonest.
Right. With the films realistic approach Gordon probably wont be getting much action once he become commissioner. No more investigations no more shooting none of that.

[Keyser Sushi]

Right. With the films realistic approach Gordon probably wont be getting much action once he become commissioner. No more investigations no more shooting none of that.

Right. And someone mentioned getting "promoted to commissioner," well, I don't think you get promoted to that job. It's basically a government job and depending on how the city works, it's probably either appointed by the mayor or elected by the people.

Jim Gordon will need to do some seriously heroic stuff and become a hero in the public eye, and once Loeb is done - either due to being exposed as a corrupt official, or being killed, or retiring happily at the end of a long career - Gordon would then be the logical choice to succeed him.

If indeed he does have a tryst with Sarah Essen in BB2 it could be the kind of thing that his detractors would use against him when the appointment comes. Say, a mob boss who fears Jim's badassitude and does not want him in office...

[StorminNorman]

The movies should follow the format of Year One, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory.

Year One introduces the Batman character, and the relationship between Batman and Gordon.

The Long Halloween introduces the start of "Freaks" taking over Gotham Crime. Introduces Dent. Ruins Dent. Causes a strain in Batman and Gordons relationship.

Dark Victory continues the Dent storyline, has Batman and Gordon eventuallly get over any differences Harvey's transformation made, and...introduces the character of Dick Grayson.

To me it works very well, and should get support from the comic fan world.

[The Fallen]

I'd like to see Gordon, Bats and Dent all working together in trying to figure out who the Joker is, and aslo trying to clean up the giant mess the underworld is in now the Falcone is gone. I personally like the idea of Jimmy being a Lieutenant for the entire time in Begins 2, then have him become commish in the third when two-face escapes from hospital after the aciding and kills Loeb for some reason, maybe Loeb had it in for Dent and helped out with the scarring? Who knows? That's my opinion.

[wikum]

i think that there has to be a strong alliance between dent, gordon and batman in this film. all three playing a part to bring down the joker. this would work well on film and joker scarring dent would be a nice touch. i know all the fan-boys might not like that but i think it would be cool. i'm just having trouble waiting to see it on film.:up:

[COMPO]

doesn't Gordon have to be captain first.

[Ronny Shade]

doesn't Gordon have to be captain first.

Unless there's a big time lapse between the movies.

[Boom]

This thread is dedicated to the hawtness that is Gary Oldman, and what you hope to see in store for Gordon in TDK.

[Dirt Like Me]

Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I really want to see Gordon established as a tough person in TDK. I think Oldman can easily convey that, but BB didn't really give him a chance to do so, and that's probably my biggest complaint about the movie.

Year One has two great Gordon scenes that would work to establish this:
1. The hostage crisis where he drops his gun and enters the building.
2. His altercation with Flass.

Something like either of those scenes would be great.

Then again, at the end of BB we already know that Gordon has been promoted, so maybe the time to show his toughness has come and gone.

[Boom]

I've always hated in the Burton/Schumacher films how downplayed the Gordon character was. Batman Begins improved upon it, but he was still underused I felt.

I've always found Gordon to be a fascinating character in the Batman mythos. Despite having his wife murdered and his daughter crippled by The Joker, it's Gordon who stops Batman from killing him. I really hope they delve deeper into his character in this movie.

[itsthebatman]

more screen time. A good relationship with Harvey, they should be friends, not Bruce and Harvey. Good rooftop scenes with Bats and Harv. I would love for Gordon to take down some thugs himself, as in Year One, where he made short work of Flass.
That would rule.

[Dirt Like Me]

I'd be really disappointed if we don't see Bats, Harvey and Gordon together on the roof in TDK.

One other thing I'd like to see would be Gordon and Batman doing some detective work together, using each other as a sounding board for ideas. It could be rooftop, it could in Gordon's office like in the Long Halloween or it could be at a crime scene (maybe a Joker victim?) like in The Mad Monk. This would show that the two of them work together well, and it'd show Bats' detective skills, too.

But I agree; Gordon is a great character that I'd love to see developed more fully on the big screen. And if they ever bring Essen into the franchise, I hope it's Laura Dern (does she even act anymore?).

[Pythenis]

I think Begins did an ok job with Gordon and kept his developement within the right time line. Gordon was pretty hopeless in begins before he met batman..

Now that Gordon has seen that one man (Batman) can make a diffrence he should be very inspired and allot more bold in the sequel. Especially since he knows Batman has his back, he can finally be the police officer he has always wanted to be. This could also be a nice way to create a rift with Gordon and his family, now that he is putting so much time into his job and putting himself in the line of fire more his home life will suffer.

Maybe he can have some touching moments with his young daughter Barbra on the porch when his wife kicks him out and between her fathers noble quest and seeing batman she becomes inspired to chase after her dream of making a diffrence?

[kenellard]

just give him more screen time, he was a total non-entity in BB, a pure waste of Oldman's talent

[KingOfDreams]

Oldman is a fantastic actor and I think he deserves some more screen time.

[Jackasscoley15]

Definately. I'm a huge Oldman fan, and to see him underused is an unspeakable crime against nature. :cmad:

[Paste Pot Pete]

It's a difficult situation, really. Gordon is a great character and Oldman is sheer perfection, but how much can he really do in a two hour Batman movie?

The problem Nolan faces is that he's gotten together this brilliant cast and they all need time to shine. But Batman movies are not essentially ensemble pieces. It's not X-Men. At it's core, it should be about Batman.

It's a hard balance to strike. Many believe Burton flunked out by not featuring his Batman enough, while giving all the screen time to the villains. Now some people think Nolan didn't give the supporting cast enough, characters like Crane and Gordon.

I think the amount of Gordon in Begins was plenty, personally. It wasn't Year One, the story wasn't being told from his perspective. Essentially, he did as much in the movie as he does in any of the comics or the animated series. He served his primary function necessary for a 2-hour Batman movie; he was Batman's partner.

[kenellard]

unfortunately he was his partner in the buddy-cop movie sort of way, which was a cheap dilution of their relationship

[Paste Pot Pete]

unfortunately he was his partner in the buddy-cop movie sort of way, which was a cheap dilution of their relationship

I'm curious, what would you have him do?

[Joker]

I still want to see this exchange...

Gordon beats the s**t out of the Joker, and then gets on top of him to punch him in the face. He turns to Baman.

Gordon: Dumb mother f**ker most of thought it was white boy day. It ain't white boy day is it?

Gordon looks to Batman, who is standing, watchin.

Batman: Nah man, it ain't white boy day.

Gordon: Yeah, didn't think so.

[Tojo]

I hope he actually get's something to do/say this time. And i don't mean that awful driving the Tumbler idea. I want his relationship with Batman to blossom and work as a team, and also with Dent, to a degree.

I also want to see him be abit tougher. He was kindof a geek in BB, i couldn't picture him in a heroic light. And heroic is totally what Gordon is.

[Paste Pot Pete]

I hope he actually get's something to say this time.

What more do you want him to say, really? Give speeches about justice? These movies have enough of that as it is.

He had a touching scene with young Bruce (not in the comics, I know, but I thought it was a welcome change..and proof Nolan is interested in this relationship).

A perfect meeting scene with pre-Batman Bruce ("Now we're two..", just classic, and indicative of Gordon's heroic nature, chasing who he thought to be an armed maniac up to the rooftop).

Great scenes with Flass in the car and Loeb in the police station illustrating his disillusion with corruption and interest in Batman's methods/desire to "work outside the box."

All of the scenes of him on his own, however brief - interrogating Crane, finding Falcone, learning about the water contamination.

The scene behind his house; "I think you're trying to help..."

The fact that he essentially brought down Ra's (whether or not you agree with his driving the Batmobile, the important of those actions are undeniable in the context of the movie).

And of course, the final scene, which is just about as iconic and cool as you can get in a Batman movie. Something people had been dying for yet are still now unsatisfied.

Their relationship was more than developed for an origin movie that had to fit in a half dozen other plot elements at the same time.

After the almost non-existent relationship in the Burton/Schumacher movies (Before anybody asks, Bats & Gordon directly interacted/spoke roughly less than 10 times during the course of all 4 movies - and that included such memorable moments as "Bats giving Gordon the thumbs up from the Batwing", "Gordon giving Bats the lowdown about Freeze on his Batmobile mini-computer", and "Gordon walking in on Bats' and Chase's rooftop lovefest."), I was tickled pink to get the relationship we got in Begins. Nothing is fleshed-out enough for fans; we always want more. Because we're spoiled on ongoing comics and cartoons that allow for dozens and dozens of moments for every character to shine. Movies don't have that luxury, all we can hope is that the sequel delivers more of what we want.

[kenellard]

I'm curious, what would you have him do?

I would have him be seen bending the rules to help bats, "misplacing" certain files that could be useful to a certain masked vigilante, stuff like that, not driving the tumbler and throwing out lame one-liners

[Paste Pot Pete]

I would have him be seen bending the rules to help bats, "misplacing" certain files that could be useful to a certain masked vigilante, stuff like that, not driving the tumbler and throwing out lame one-liners

He is bending the rules to help Bats. Helping him at all is, by definition, bending the rules. You can guarantee Loeb is not happy about Gordon's little Bat signal. Gordon showed his tendency to accept vigilante help when necessary in the police station scene, and was shot down immediately by Loeb. Yet he still worked with him.

And it was one lame one-liner. One. And to be fair, everyone's entitled to one! Batman and Scarecrow got theirs. :woot:

[Mac_Hine]

I agree! More screen time for Oldman. I would love a meeting between Bats and Gordon in his office and then Batman jumping out the window when Gordon's not looking.

[metkalfe]

I dont want him or Dent forsaken by the writing.

[Cinemaman]

Oldman owns! :up:

[Monkey Chops]

I still want to see this exchange...

Gordon beats the s**t out of the Joker, and then gets on top of him to punch him in the face. He turns to Baman.

Gordon: Dumb mother f**ker most of thought it was white boy day. It ain't white boy day is it?

Gordon looks to Batman, who is standing, watchin.

Batman: Nah man, it ain't white boy day.

Gordon: Yeah, didn't think so.

LOL. Nice one.

[Keyser Sushi]

Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I really want to see Gordon established as a tough person in TDK. I think Oldman can easily convey that, but BB didn't really give him a chance to do so, and that's probably my biggest complaint about the movie.

Year One has two great Gordon scenes that would work to establish this:
1. The hostage crisis where he drops his gun and enters the building.
2. His altercation with Flass.

Something like either of those scenes would be great.

Then again, at the end of BB we already know that Gordon has been promoted, so maybe the time to show his toughness has come and gone.

Hey, welcome to the Hype. :up:

I just want to point out that Gordon did some very gutsy things in BB, which seems to me to demonstrate his badassitude, and in fact all of his most essential Gordon-like traits.

1.) He comforted the freshly orphaned Bruce when nobody else did. So he is compassionate.

2.) As disgusted as he was by Flass's behavior, he also refused to rat on him. Gordon is honorable.

3.) When Proto-Batman visits him in his office, he chases him out onto the roof and tries to get him. Gordon is brave.

4.) Discusses Flass's illegal activities with Batman outside the apartment. Gordon is willing to work with Batman

5.) Goes into Arkham without backup when Flass and the other policemen are afraid to do so. Gordon remains brave.

6.) Helps rescue Rachel. Gordon is heroic, and still willing to work with Batman.

7.) Admires the Tumbler. Gordon is manly.

8.) Shares information with Batman. Gordon still willing to bend rules to work with him.

9.) Jacks toxin-infected Flass in the alley to protect innocent. Gordon is tough, and still heroic.

10.) Blows up monorail to stop Ra's. Gordon saves the day. Heroic, brave, tough. :up:

11.) Bat-signal and rooftop meeting. This cements Gordon's relationship with Batman, as if the Tumbler thing didn't. Gordon has been promoted, he's benefited from Batman's presence, the two of them have risen to official heroic status together. At this point Gordon actually comes to Batman with an open case, looking for some support. This is the classic Batman-Gordon relationship.

For a movie, which has a limited time frame to work in, I thought they did a damned good job. In terms of character, Gary Oldman's Jim Gordon is every bit the modern Gordon, the one we've had since Year One and beyond.

[Mr. Socko]

Exactly. And Oldman was just perfect in the role.

[Dirt Like Me]

Keyser,

You make some very good points, (I had actually forgotten that Gordon takes Flass down in the Narrows) and I agree with most of what you said. The Jim Gordon who hands Batman the calling card is a great depiction of the comic character, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in TDK.

I guess what I would have liked to have seen in BB was something more from Gordon before "proto-Batman" visited him. While I loved the scene where he consoles young Bruce, I don't know that it would have been enough to establish (to an adult Bruce/Batman years later) that Gordon was the type of guy Batman could rely on, especially given the amount corruption in Gotham's justice system.

The last scene was awesome, though. You're right about it showing Gordon's trust in Batman, and I even liked his tone of voice during the "escalation" discussion. He seemed more confident and in control (as compared to the tumbler scene where was literally and figuratively "along for the ride").

And I say all this fully realizing how picky it comes off. (My name is Dirt, and I'm a fanboy). Overall, I think Nolan did a great job doling out screen time to Batman first and the supporting characters second. Other directors haven't done so well in that department.

[Arkard]

I don't know that it would have been enough to establish (to an adult Bruce/Batman years later) that Gordon was the type of guy Batman could rely on, especially given the amount corruption in Gotham's justice system.
Right before Bruce noticeses the bat in tha manour you will see him sitting on the floor with various files around him. One can only guess how exactly did he get those files. Could have been detective work, could have been bribes. Among them there is a picture of Gordon, and (as I assume) some info abotu him, maybe even some "street word". So he either a) was trying to found out, through various channels, who is still good, and that led him to Gordon and that he is the last good cop or b) he was looking for the cop with the pretiest eyes cause such cuties cannot be bad
My guess is on a) but I wont judge you if you go with b).

[itsthebatman]

7.) Admires the Tumbler. Gordon is manly.


The mark of any good cop,of course:woot:

[Keyser Sushi]

The mark of any good cop,of course:woot:

LOL, of course! ;)

[Keyser Sushi]

Right before Bruce noticeses the bat in tha manour you will see him sitting on the floor with various files around him. One can only guess how exactly did he get those files. Could have been detective work, could have been bribes. Among them there is a picture of Gordon, and (as I assume) some info abotu him, maybe even some "street word". So he either a) was trying to found out, through various channels, who is still good, and that led him to Gordon and that he is the last good cop or b) he was looking for the cop with the pretiest eyes cause such cuties cannot be bad
My guess is on a) but I wont judge you if you go with b).

ROFL!

Nice one. :up:

[Dirt Like Me]

So he either a) was trying to found out, through various channels, who is still good, and that led him to Gordon and that he is the last good cop or b) he was looking for the cop with the pretiest eyes cause such cuties cannot be bad
My guess is on a) but I wont judge you if you go with b).

Very, very funny. A good point and an example in tolerance that we can all learn from. That cracked me up.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Here's a little Gordon/Oldman goodness for the masses.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/BatmanBegins/5_273x400.jpg

http://www.dcfanpage.de/who_is_who/images/commissioner_gordon1.jpg

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2005/06/13/oldman3.jpg

Look at that 'stache. It's made of iron, and braun.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_begins/gary_oldman/batcommissioner.jpg

http://www.batmantas.com/img/gordon.jpg

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/32/gordon_batman.jpg

[diagonbruce]

I wonder if we see some more background of his family.

[Morgoth]

I love Gary and his Gordon is so great, it's really nice to finally see an actor who looks like Jim.

Noone who came before looked like him, not on the 60's show, not in the movies, until now.

Too bad they didn't make Alfred look just like he does in the comics like they did with Gordon.

[Keyser Sushi]

I love Gary and his Gordon is so great, it's really nice to finally see an actor who looks like Jim.

Noone who came before looked like him, not on the 60's show, not in the movies, until now.

Morg, that's the second time in a week that you've said something I agree with.

I'm frightened.

So very, very frightened. ;)

[superglowy]

The Batman-Gordon relationship is one of my fav things about this new series cause Batman wise ive only seen the first four movies (tis it) and never realised he was such an important character, now he's one of my favs :yay:

[Paste Pot Pete]

The Batman-Gordon relationship is one of my fav things about this new series cause Batman wise ive only seen the first four movies (tis it) and never realised he was such an important character, now he's one of my favs :yay:

You should read Frank Miller's "Batman: Year One". You'd dig it. :yay:

[Threshold]

I love Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon. It's such a simple character to write and yet it took them this long to finally get a Gordon on to the screen that even remotely resembled the Jim Gordon from the comics.

That's probably the most repeated bunch of thoughts ever for this take on the character, but it's late, I'm in that so tired I'm wired mood, and I saw that this thread had only 2 pages, so thought I'd bring it some love.

[Keyser Soze]

But I agree; Gordon is a great character that I'd love to see developed more fully on the big screen. And if they ever bring Essen into the franchise, I hope it's Laura Dern (does she even act anymore?).

This year, Laura Dern got rave-reviews for what is reported to be a towering performance in David Lynch's three-hour epic "INLAND EMPIRE".

And yes, she would be an inspired choice for Sarah Essen. I'd say her or Linda Fiorentino.

[Paste Pot Pete]

That's probably the most repeated bunch of thoughts ever for this take on the character, but it's late, I'm in that so tired I'm wired mood, and I saw that this thread had only 2 pages, so thought I'd bring it some love.

It's much appreciated! COME ON PEOPLE, SHOW THE LOVE!

[Dirt Like Me]

This year, Laura Dern got rave-reviews for what is reported to be a towering performance in David Lynch's three-hour epic "INLAND EMPIRE".

And yes, she would be an inspired choice for Sarah Essen. I'd say her or Linda Fiorentino.

Thanks for the info, and I'm glad she's still working. I could see Fiorentino as Essen as well, but Dern is still my top choice.

[Anjow1060]

Yeah, I've loved Gary Oldman since Air Force one. I can't wait to see more of him in TDK, being the tough badass that he is - See the "sides" thread, and seeing him be compassionate with his son - see the "sides" thread.

[itsthebatman]

Julianne Moore would be my choice for Essen. Loved her ever since Boogie Nights. Though I would think Laura Dern would be a great choice also.

[Ryan227]

What more do you want him to say, really? Give speeches about justice? These movies have enough of that as it is.

He had a touching scene with young Bruce (not in the comics, I know, but I thought it was a welcome change..and proof Nolan is interested in this relationship).

A perfect meeting scene with pre-Batman Bruce ("Now we're two..", just classic, and indicative of Gordon's heroic nature, chasing who he thought to be an armed maniac up to the rooftop).

Great scenes with Flass in the car and Loeb in the police station illustrating his disillusion with corruption and interest in Batman's methods/desire to "work outside the box."

All of the scenes of him on his own, however brief - interrogating Crane, finding Falcone, learning about the water contamination.

The scene behind his house; "I think you're trying to help..."

The fact that he essentially brought down Ra's (whether or not you agree with his driving the Batmobile, the important of those actions are undeniable in the context of the movie).

And of course, the final scene, which is just about as iconic and cool as you can get in a Batman movie. Something people had been dying for yet are still now unsatisfied.

Their relationship was more than developed for an origin movie that had to fit in a half dozen other plot elements at the same time.

After the almost non-existent relationship in the Burton/Schumacher movies (Before anybody asks, Bats & Gordon directly interacted/spoke roughly less than 10 times during the course of all 4 movies - and that included such memorable moments as "Bats giving Gordon the thumbs up from the Batwing", "Gordon giving Bats the lowdown about Freeze on his Batmobile mini-computer", and "Gordon walking in on Bats' and Chase's rooftop lovefest."), I was tickled pink to get the relationship we got in Begins. Nothing is fleshed-out enough for fans; we always want more. Because we're spoiled on ongoing comics and cartoons that allow for dozens and dozens of moments for every character to shine. Movies don't have that luxury, all we can hope is that the sequel delivers more of what we want.


Well said! I've loved Gary since I first saw The Professional/Leon and Dracula and I thought he was THE Gordon!

[declan]

Here's what I want at the end of the movie:

The doorbell rings at Wayne Manor at around 10am. Alfred answers the door and barely flinches when he sees the newly appointed Commisioner Gordon. Gordon asks if he can speat to Mr. Wayne and Alfred informs him he's unavailable. Off camera Bruce says "I'm available Alfred, merely somewhat incapacitated."

Gorden enters and sees Bruce in a bathrobe looking like crap and his left arm in a sling. Bruce leads him to the drawing room saying You're a policeman, aren't you? I've seen you on television somewhere."

Gordon replies: "I'm the top cop now and I've seen you on television too." They sit and both men are silent for a few seconds.

Bruce finally says: "Have I done something wrong?". Gordon chuckles and replies.

"I don't know what billionaires do but chances are... I apologize for my intrusion. I don't want this to be an "official" visit I... need to tell you some things and I'm afraid I have to ask that our conversation remains confidential."

Bruce: "Good, that means I can't incriminate myself, right?" Bruce smiles and Gordon frowns.

"It's about the Batman, I'm sure you know who he is."

Bruce hesitates: "Yes..."

"He uses a lot of 'gadgets'... real high-tech stuff and the FBI and CIA are crawling around everywhere trying to discern how much money this guy has and what corporation is developing his ever-changing arsenal. Wayne-Tech has had government contracts in the past that no doubt have attracted their attention."

"Your'e saying someone thinks someone at Wayne-Tech is involved with someone who's providing the Batman these 'gadgets'" Wayne asks sounding amused. Gordon shuffles in his chair.

"Yes. But that's not why I'm here. Most of whatever technology Batman uses seems to destroy itself after being used. Over the last few months GPD has recovered a couple of items that have been analyized."

"Good!" Bruce exclaims. "If the FBI or CIA has anything that links Wayne-Tech to the Batman then we can find out who he is, and I can throw one hell of a party." Gordon is irritated and sneers at Bruce.

"The FBI & CIA ever never seen these items GPD collected."

Bruce looks stunned and asks: "Who anayized them?" Gordon hesitates.

"An old friend who does consultant work for the federal government. He's a techno-genius-geek and a very strange man, but I trust him."

Bruce feigns impatience and says: "Ok, and he found what?" Gordon stands as he almost shouts:

"That this "stuff" is more advanced than our army has, that any foreign army has and whoever possesses this technology is going to have the full force of the United States government trying that person for treason. And he said his best guess was that it was developed by S.T.A.R. labs and they may as well be a government agency."

Bruce shrugs. "Did your friend mention Wayne-Tech?" Gordon sighs.

"Yes. He said Wayne-Tech doesn't really have the stomach for the true theoretical science necessary to develop thiese gizmos, that 'they're penny- grabbing-practical'."

"Well..." Bruce says somewhat insulted, "I like money more than I'm willing to admit."

Gordon stares Bruce down. "I've warned you. And Mr. Wayne I thought this conversation would be more appropriate here. Should we meet again in the future you would be wise to remember I'm not an idiot."

Gordon walks out as Alfred barely is able to open the front door ahead of him. Bruce and Alfred exchange looks as Bruce takes something out of his pocket and walks toward the drawing room and says "Lucious".

LF: "What's up Bruce?"

BW: "How does Gordon know our guy?"

LF: "Oh boy," (Lucious groans) "you want the long version this time?"

BW: "Just this once" (sarcastic)

LF: "High School friends. Gordon may be one of maybe four or five people our friend talks to in any given year".

"Great. Gordon-"

"Do I get to tell you the long version "just once" or not?"

BW: (hesitates then sighs) "Sorry."

LF: "Gordon was given the fried guidance-controlled "BATARANG" 3 months ago, and I obviously knew it wasn't completely destroyed and I was able to track it. Gordon kept it and the next two that were recovered at his home. When they were moved again I knew about it and asked our friend to call Gordon."

BW: "Why? You said you weren't worried about the government retrieving anything."

LF: "I'm not. But I think it was illuminating to see what Gordon did. And both Alfred and I are little concerned that the people who help you and protect you or, God forbid, care about you are just screwed."

BW: "Alfred get in here! Lucious, Gordon knows. How is that good for him?"

Alfred (entering): "Perhaps he doesn't like being perceived as an idiot by a friend?"

LF: "I wish I'd said that. Bruce, you are a hero. Look, I don't know what Gordon knows and you don't either. But you need to allow yourself hope that your friends won't become your enemies. You have far too many enemies that are very dangerous and have nothing but hatred for you."

BW: (harumph) "Is that it?"

LF: "No, our friend built a computer network for Gordon's niece, and the only thing more impressive than the system is what she's doing with it. She's 13."

BW: "I'm going back to bed now Lucious."

LF: "Alfred, our hero has a brain afterall."

Alfred: "We live in hope Lucious. Bye."

Bruce leaves the room as he mutters: "Heroes are the best targets."

[Ryan227]

I always liked the fact that it seems Gordon knows that Bruce and Batman are the same person but never has said anything or even hinted at it. As Bruce once said in the comics "Gordon's too good of a detective to have NOT figured it out by now".

[odiin]

I always liked the fact that it seems Gordon knows that Bruce and Batman are the same person but never has said anything or even hinted at it. As Bruce once said in the comics "Gordon's too good of a detective to have NOT figured it out by now".

Yeah. That's sort of how Lucius Fox was in Batman Begins, too. Although that's more a case of having to be completely brain dead to NOT figure it out.

[Ryan227]

Yeah. That's sort of how Lucius Fox was in Batman Begins, too. Although that's more a case of having to be completely brain dead to NOT figure it out.

That's the only problem I have with Tim Drake's becoming Robin. If Gordon and (in the movies) Fox hint around knowing who he is then why is it so phenomenal that Tim figured out Bruce and Dick's secret? I LOVE the fact that Tim wanted Robin and worked for it and I LOVE that in HUSH even Bruce admits that someday Tim will be the world's greatest detective but I just don't get the significance of him figuring out the Bruce/Batman scenario.

[Dirt Like Me]

That's the only problem I have with Tim Drake's becoming Robin. If Gordon and (in the movies) Fox hint around knowing who he is then why is it so phenomenal that Tim figured out Bruce and Dick's secret? I LOVE the fact that Tim wanted Robin and worked for it and I LOVE that in HUSH even Bruce admits that someday Tim will be the world's greatest detective but I just don't get the significance of him figuring out the Bruce/Batman scenario.


I think it probably has to do with the fact that Tim was young when he figured it out and did so without any formal real training (like a police detective would have). I can see how a teenager having that kind of deductive ability would impress Bruce. Tim Drake rules.

But I really like the two Hush quotes that have been mentioned in the past few posts, and I love the ending of Year One (my all-time favorite comic storyline) where Gordon says he's practically blind without his glasses. Personally, I always read that to mean he's telling Bruce that he'll keep the secret safe, but other people see it as Gordon actually not being able to see his face. I can understand either reading of it, though.

[Keyser Soze]

I always liked the fact that it seems Gordon knows that Bruce and Batman are the same person but never has said anything or even hinted at it. As Bruce once said in the comics "Gordon's too good of a detective to have NOT figured it out by now".

I always figured that Gordon saw Batman was Bruce Wayne way back in Year One. I thought that "I can't see anything without my glasses" line was just baloney to cover up the fact that Gordon had just seen Batman without his mask on. If he "doesn't know", then he's under no obligation to arrest him.

[itsthebatman]

I always figured that Gordon saw Batman was Bruce Wayne way back in Year One. I thought that "I can't see anything without my glasses" line was just baloney to cover up the fact that Gordon had just seen Batman without his mask on. If he "doesn't know", then he's under no obligation to arrest him.

Agree 100%. I didn't even think it was up for debate.

[Ryan227]

I always figured that Gordon saw Batman was Bruce Wayne way back in Year One. I thought that "I can't see anything without my glasses" line was just baloney to cover up the fact that Gordon had just seen Batman without his mask on. If he "doesn't know", then he's under no obligation to arrest him.

Yeah that would make sense....I would love to hear a line similar to this or even have it hinted at more and more that Gordon knows or do you guys think Nolan will go with Gordon thinking Dent is Batman?

[declan]

Yeah that would make sense....I would love to hear a line similar to this or even have it hinted at more and more that Gordon knows or do you guys think Nolan will go with Gordon thinking Dent is Batman?

I'd be up for Batman setting up Gordon to think it was Dent, but it doesn't seem "organic" in that this movie seems to be about fighting a war on all fronts. Unfortunately there's not enough time in any trilogy for that.

I do wish that Superhero movies would add special scenes in the DVD release that could be filmed cheaply that would give true fanboys greater scope and yet not provide information that the masses even need to know.

Either that or I wish all Batman films could be 4 hours long. :woot:

[Ryan227]

I'd be up for Batman setting up Gordon to think it was Dent, but it doesn't seem "organic" in that this movie seems to be about fighting a war on all fronts. Unfortunately there's not enough time in any trilogy for that.

I do wish that Superhero movies would add special scenes in the DVD release that could be filmed cheaply that would give true fanboys greater scope and yet not provide information that the masses even need to know.

Either that or I wish all Batman films could be 4 hours long. :woot:

Yeah the more I think about it the more I think if they wanted Gordon to believe it is Dent then they needed to introduce Dent in BB although it could still be a possibility. Oh and all batfans wish Batfilms were 4 hours long :woot:.

[COMPO]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j140/feezar/gordon.jpg

Hey this has just gave me an idea. We didn't see Gordon smoke in the other film what if in this film because everything goes wrong Gordon starts smoking out of stress and after that because of all the freaks we always see hi mwith a pipe or cigarratte.

[FaT_tONle]

We have a Oldman thread no?

[Ryan227]

^ I was thinking the same thing......

[Two-Face]

Merge it, no big deal.

[Darth Nata]

Yeah no ****?!?! isn't there already a thread for this?

Merge...

[Darth Nata]

The movies should follow the format of Year One, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory.

Year One introduces the Batman character, and the relationship between Batman and Gordon.

The Long Halloween introduces the start of "Freaks" taking over Gotham Crime. Introduces Dent. Ruins Dent. Causes a strain in Batman and Gordons relationship.

Dark Victory continues the Dent storyline, has Batman and Gordon eventuallly get over any differences Harvey's transformation made, and...introduces the character of Dick Grayson.

To me it works very well, and should get support from the comic fan world.

I liked that... until you mentioned Dick Grayson...

[Nepenthes]

The movies should follow the format of Year One, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory.

Year One introduces the Batman character, and the relationship between Batman and Gordon.

The Long Halloween introduces the start of "Freaks" taking over Gotham Crime. Introduces Dent. Ruins Dent. Causes a strain in Batman and Gordons relationship.

Dark Victory continues the Dent storyline, has Batman and Gordon eventuallly get over any differences Harvey's transformation made, and...introduces the character of Dick Grayson.

To me it works very well, and should get support from the comic fan world.

Makes perfect sense. I'd also suggest Catwoman for movie3 as long as Grayson's part is very brief.

[Ryan227]

I liked that... until you mentioned Dick Grayson...

I don't see any problem adding Dick into the series, this doesn't necessarily mean that he will become Robin in Nolan's world but they can add him as Bruce's adopted son or ward or however they want to do it.

[Dark Knight]

I agree. I think they should do this in the next film. Have batman call gordon lieutenant and Gordon is alway saying to him call me Jim. And by the end of the film he calls him Jim symbolizes there relatioship is growing from just alies.




I agree.

[grimlock]

More of Gordon/Oldman the better. Even cooler if Rachel by Maggie is just a cameo.

[mad-sci]

A new interview in The Telegraph:- (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/06/23/smoldman23.xml)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/madsci/smoldman23.jpg



In a drowsy London hotel room, from behind a bushy policeman's moustache, a quiet, reserved Gary Oldman is considering his reputation as - his words - 'Crazy-Scary-Gary'.

Gary Oldman
Gary Oldman: 'I don’t have a publicist. I don’t go to premieres. I don’t go to parties. I just have dinner at home every night with my kids'

That is: Gary Oldman, brilliant portrayer of skinheads, punks, vampires, assassins, psycho-cops, psycho-pimps, psycho-psychos.

The actor fundamental to the success and magic of Mike Leigh's Meantime, Stephen Frears's Prick Up Your Ears, Alex Cox's Sid and Nancy, Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula, Oliver Stone's JFK, Luc Besson's Leon, Tony Scott's True Romance and Alan Clarke's The Firm.

The writer-director whose gritty south-east London upbringing formed the backdrop to 1997's Nil by Mouth: a semi-autobiographical tale of alcoholism, drugs, criminality, wife-beating and the misery man hands on to man.

The 'bad boy' who, almost as soon as his career started, escaped Britain for high times in New York and Los Angeles.
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The thrice-married, thrice-divorced drinker who went into rehab in 1995 and hasn't, he says, touched a drop of alcohol since.

'I don't know how it happened,' Oldman says of his pigeonholing as a natural born gangster. He speaks slowly. Very slowly. In clipped sentences. 'I really don't. I was this... psycho guy. I just got into these parts. Then it... it... contaminates people. And they think that you're Crazy-Scary-Gary. The closest character to me,' he adds with ponderous gravity, 'is Jim Gordon.'

Jim Gordon is the police lieutenant in the Batman stories. Oldman played the veteran cop in Chris Nolan's hugely successful franchise reboot Batman Begins (2005). He is reprising the role in The Dark Knight, in which Lt Gordon teams up with Batman (Christian Bale) to take on the Joker (Heath Ledger). It is currently being filmed in the UK, which is what has briefly brought Oldman from his home in LA back to England.

The portrayal of kindly Lt Gordon also explains the droopy, salt'n'pepper moustache he is sporting today, if not the orange trainers the 49-year-old is wearing at the bottom of his sloppy-joe ensemble (dark suit jacket, grey cartoon T-shirt, jeans).

I tell Oldman that the first word that comes to mind when you think of Jim Gordon is 'avuncular'. 'Yeah,' he replies with a light shrug. 'Got a good sense of right and wrong. Family man. Just a regular geezer.'

Is this something that has come to Oldman as he approaches his 50th birthday, a good quarter of a century since he started out as an angry young man of British film?

Another shrug. Another reply so low and quiet my tape-recorder will barely pick it up.

'I've always been that way,' says Gary Oldman.

[guitarsingerguy]

This is certainly not something I ever expected to hear about Gary Oldman. I can't believe he's so quiet and reserved. It just goes to show you how great of an actor the man truly is.

[The Count]

The thing i really liked about begins was the way Gordon was part of the story, not just a fat bloke in a trilby like B89. Oldman was perfect, he was gordon from Year 1

[Two-Face]

Very nice interview.

[ultimatefan]

Awesome stuff. And some people doubted Oldman could play Gordon...

[scifiwolf]

I guess that's why Gary was so good at Gordon, 'cause he was more like him than any of his other roles. Good read.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You know i really just hope they have beefed up his part..he plays the part so well.

:cool:

[batman11]

Awesome stuff. And some people doubted Oldman could play Gordon...

Really? I wasn't around much during the Begins hype, so I wouldn't know. I think he's a fantastic actor and he truly brought Gordon to the screen in an exceptional way. :up::up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Gary Oldman rocks. :up:

[The Count]

I'd like to see a scene based on the Jokers arrest at the end of NML where Gordon shoots him in the knee. Its just so emotional yet oddly amusing

[FCEEVIPER]

Nice find!

[donk70]

He's just brilliant as Gordon. Hands down the best choice for the role.

I don't think I ever seen him in a role that I didn't like. His Lee Harvey Oswald in JFK was excellent.

[Batman jr.]

Gary Oldman is simply one of the best actors :yay:

His Jim Gordon looks & acts like he's coming straight out of the comics. And besides, if he hadn't been Gordon, he could've played Maroni or Joker too, because he's different in every role.

[donk70]

Gary Oldman is simply one of the best actors :yay:

His Jim Gordon looks & acts like he's coming straight out of the comics. And besides, he could've played Maroni or Joker... too, because he's different in every role.

Oldman is a chamelon. He could play any role

[El Payaso]

Gary "there's nothing wise in what you do" Oldman is Gordon, I agree.

[Anguissette1979]

Gary Oldman rocks. :up:

Zorg! :wow:

I agree though... Oldman was fantastic in that role!

[Batman jr.]

Oldman is a chamelon. He could play any role

Absolutely :up: This is the same guy that screamed "EVERYONE" in Léon!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Oldman is a chamelon. He could play any role

how about?

Hayden panettiere?:o

[sasquatchs]

This is the one role I want seriously beefing up in TDK, he's part of the trio, he needs his own separate Joker investigation. He had a few nice moments in Begins but alot of it was there to say what the audience is thinking. The what the ****, who is this guy moments. He's the main guy that's been shaken out of apathy by Batman so he should be more proactive instead of reactive now. And this is Gary, I hate seeing him in small roles, no matter how good he makes them.

He's the main guy I'd like to chat to on set if I had the chance

[batman11]

how about?

Hayden panettiere?:o

That would be his easiest.:o:oldrazz:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

That would be his easiest.:o:oldrazz:

personally i wouldn't mind playing with her.. :o

[donk70]

how about?

Hayden panettiere?:o
I wouldn't put it past him ;)

(I had to Google that name. Man, I'm getting old)

[Figs]

Absolutely :up: This is the same guy that screamed "EVERYONE" in Léon!

Love that scene. :woot:

[batman11]

personally i wouldn't mind playing with her.. :o

Well when you're done with her...send her over to me. :cwink:

[Two-Face]

Gary Oldman rocks. :up:

YEAH!

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2005/06/13/oldman3.jpg

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well when you're done with her...send her over to me. :cwink:

nah, she's a keeper.

;)

[The Count]

All he needs is the pipe

[batman11]

nah, she's a keeper.

;)

Damn. I was really looking forward to it. Ahh well...

**To myself** (Perhaps I should get Oldman to play her while I sneak the real Hayden out the back) :oldrazz:

[sasquatchs]

We need some little scenes with Gary and family, he's the only average guy in the story

[Darkly Dexter]

He is a great actor and a great Jim Gordon, the most closest to the comic character.

[batman11]

We need some little scenes with Gary and family, he's the only average guy in the story

Don't forget the guy who paints his face white, dies his hair green and puts on red lipstick to cover up gruesome scars. :joker:

[Dirt Like Me]

Nice find madsci.

It's funny how things work out, too. Based on rumors, in Begins Chris Cooper or Kurt Russell were the first choices for Jim Gordon. Which I guess would've worked out, but big ups to whoever thought of Oldman. He's absolutely perfect. I can't imagine anybody doing a better job of playing the Year One Gordon.

[BubbaGump]

Gary Oldman is like TAS. It's the adaptation that everyone likes.

And those who don't mysteriously dissappear...

[Batty Belfry]

Gary Oldman is amazing in every role he plays. He just melts into it.

[Symbiotic]

Gary Oldman is great. Best roles IMO: Zorg and Gordon. (although, I still think that The Fifth Element should've had a final fight between Korben and Zorg)

[FCEEVIPER]

Just AWESOME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjJKbgqf2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyqqFpGBxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW7927rdQaE

[The Count]

Best role: French soldier in Godzilla! :woot:

[Symbiotic]

Just AWESOME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjJKbgqf2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyqqFpGBxk There's nothing there, man. white screens.

[FCEEVIPER]

There's nothing there, man. white screens.
For some reason they didn't come up, I put up links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjJKbgqf2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyqqFpGBxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW7927rdQaE

[Matchbox]

Great interview. Thanks for sharing it, mad-sci.

-Matchbox

[Doc Holliday]

Man, that was definitely a good interview, but especially good writing on the reporter's part. Did anyone else notice that?

[sasquatchs]

For some reason they didn't come up, I put up links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjJKbgqf2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyqqFpGBxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW7927rdQaE

One of his less subtle performances :woot:

[itsthebatman]

He's just brilliant as Gordon. Hands down the best choice for the role.
I don't think I ever seen him in a role that I didn't like. His Lee Harvey Oswald in JFK was excellent.
Was Chris Cooper or Dennis Quaid approached before Oldman/ Glad they turned it down if so. Agreed about JFK - watched that two weeks ago and he was mesmerising.
I wouldn't put it past him ;)

(I had to Google that name. Man, I'm getting old)
You don't watch Heroes? Best thing on telly these days.
Don't forget the guy who paints his face white, dies his hair green and puts on red lipstick to cover up gruesome scars. :joker:
He sounds 'teh realisticz'.

[StorminNorman]

He nails two of my favorite fictional characters - Jim Gordan and Sirius Black. Not bad for one of my favorite actors :up:

[smatt584]

Just AWESOME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjJKbgqf2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyqqFpGBxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW7927rdQaE


One of my favorite performances by any actor. Ever. (Denzel in Training Day is another good one)

[Bond]

Oldman was the casting choice of a God.

And the person who had the idea of him playing Gordon was Chris Nolan.

What are the odds?

[dark_b]

Oldman was the casting choice of a God.

And the person who had the idea of him playing Gordon was Chris Nolan.

What are the odds?nolan is god .....fact :o

[Steelsheen]

just shows the versatility of a truly great actor.

is he like Gordon? maybe in some respects, but there is just so many different facets of his personality that doesnt quite fit the Gordon mold, but fits well all the other roles he played before-- psychos included.

i think Oldman is more like The Joker, except that he has acting as an outlet for the negative emotions.

[cosmicherosa]

He is the type of actor where I like almost everything he is in, cameo or big role. Another actor like him that I respect is Kevin Spacey, and look at him. Kevin Spacey loves acting, but recently said he isn't interested in making movies any and that he is pretty much done with them. That's great that both of these actors aren't full of themselves, and it shows in their performances.

[undyingsoul]

he sounds...depressed.

[sasquatchs]

he sounds...depressed.

naah, just older and contented

[undyingsoul]

i dont know much abour his past but was he like some kind of wacko in the past or something?

[Saint]

Oldman is an Atomic Acting Superbeing.

[The Only Woj]

Cooper said he turned it down because it wasn't developed enough. something like that.

[donk70]

Was Chris Cooper or Dennis Quaid approached before Oldman/ Glad they turned it down if so. Agreed about JFK - watched that two weeks ago and he was mesmerising.

You don't watch Heroes? Best thing on telly these days.

He sounds 'teh realisticz'.

I'm not a big television viewer. If I sat down and watched an episode, I'd probably like it.

[sasquatchs]

"I just won an Oscar" Cooper. Meh. Why the hell hasn't Oldman won one?

[Cinemaman]

The thing i really liked about begins was the way Gordon was part of the story, not just a fat bloke in a trilby like B89. Oldman was perfect, he was gordon from Year 1

Agreed, and Oldman was the one, who got the exact Gordon's moves, thoughts and especially look. He is the perfect JG :up:

[smatt584]

"I just won an Oscar" Cooper. Meh. Why the hell hasn't Oldman won one?
He hasn't? I'm sorry, but i think he deserves an oscar more than Ledger...

[El Payaso]

"I just won an Oscar" Cooper. Meh. Why the hell hasn't Oldman won one?

Because talent is nothing of the Oscar business.

[StorminNorman]

just shows the versatility of a truly great actor.

is he like Gordon? maybe in some respects, but there is just so many different facets of his personality that doesnt quite fit the Gordon mold, but fits well all the other roles he played before-- psychos included.

i think Oldman is more like The Joker, except that he has acting as an outlet for the negative emotions.

Gordon hasn't always been a saint. I think that is what Oldman was kinda getting at - sure he has his demons in the past, (as does Gordon) but he has matured into a responsible, decent human being.

[Bond]

Love the new avvy, Norm.

[StorminNorman]

Love the new avvy, Norm.

This is one of the few avy's I have used more than once.

I love it so, though perhaps not as much as this one:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/Ror-Alf.gif

[Bond]

This is one of the few avy's I have used more than once.

I love it so, though perhaps not as much as this one:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/Ror-Alf.gif
LOL!

Alf pwns. Got the first season on DVD.

[chamber-music]

i dont know much abour his past but was he like some kind of wacko in the past or something?

read the first page article.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Because talent is nothing of the Oscar business.

Amen, unfortunately.

Cool interview. I was afraid someone so serious as Oldman would play a character in a comic book movie, think of it as ridiculous later on, and drop out.

He's a terrific actor, underrated, but he plays too many psychos. I for one was glad to see him play a normal guy. He's like the John Wayne of psycho roles.

[Seen]

That nearly brought tears to my eyes. Gary Oldman IS Jim Gordon!

[MaskedManJRK]

Out of all of the actors, Oldman was one of the few that got the character completely and utterly RIGHT. Shame that he barely did anything in the movie (seriously, with the exception of him in the Tumbler his character could have bene cut out completely).

Hopefully he gets a bigger role this time around. :up:

[Doc Samson]

I still to this day find it hard to believe this is the same man who played Lee Harvey Oswald so convincingly, he looked just like him. And now he looks just like Gordon, it's all pretty strange, but an excellent actor nonetheless...

[DrMylesOBoogie]

cool interview

[Gianakin_]

Great man, great actor, he's been through a lot and recovered. Hard for me not to admire him! He is a terrific Gordon and a very leasant surprise in Begins (I knew nothing of the movie back then).

[Batman jr.]

Amen, unfortunately.

Cool interview. I was afraid someone so serious as Oldman would play a character in a comic book movie, think of it as ridiculous later on, and drop out.

He's a terrific actor, underrated, but he plays too many psychos. I for one was glad to see him play a normal guy. He's like the John Wayne of psycho roles.

True. But James Woods is also underrated I think. But we know these are amazing actors.

[Majick Ninja]

Doesn't surprise me a bit. It's not that uncommon for actors. Acting can be an outlet for otherwise reserved people.

[Sarge 2.0]

Finally, something everyone can agree on. Gary Oldman kicks ass. :up:

[The Guard]

So basically what he's saying is...he's mailing it in. There's not much acting involved in this role.

:).

[Shoemeister]

Oldman was the casting choice of a God.

And the person who had the idea of him playing Gordon was Chris Nolan.

What are the odds?

Bondeth speaketh the troofeth.

[Batty Belfry]

So basically what he's saying is...he's mailing it in. There's not much acting involved in this role.

:).


Is that how you interpret it?

[Sarge 2.0]

So basically what he's saying is...he's mailing it in. There's not much acting involved in this role.

:).How is that even remotely similar to what he said in ANY way?

[The Guard]

Mother of...it was a joke. But there is some truth to it. If he IS Jim Gordon...there's less acting/effort involved. It's much easier to play characters similar to yourself than it is to play a character that is nothing like you. I'm not saying he's any less an excellent James Gordon, just that it requires less effort than say, Dracula would for him.

[itsthebatman]

So basically what he's saying is...he's mailing it in. There's not much acting involved in this role.

:).
Well THANK GOD he said Gordon was the character closest to what he's really like. If he'd said he was nearer in personality to Dracula or Lee Harvey Oswald, I think we'd all be backing away slowly. And that interview woulda been a lot shorter.

[Shoemeister]

Well THANK GOD he said Gordon was the character closest to what he's really like. If he'd said he was nearer in personality to Dracula or Lee Harvey Oswald, I think we'd all be backing away slowly. And that interview woulda been a lot shorter.

LOL

... or... TEOL for the kids.

[hatesworking]

what does TEOL mean?

I wish we could see Joker shooting barbara gordon like in the comics... but that s personal with Gordon and we know for big screen we need batman versus joker
not gordon vs joker

[Steelsheen]

ok can someone tell me what the heck TEOL means? :huh:

[itsthebatman]

ok can someone tell me what the heck TEOL means? :huh:
tee-hee + LOL. It's a new thing jimmy rhoads is trying out.

[Batty Belfry]

http://www.enquirer.com/columns/mcgurk/img/fifth_rev_200x240.jpg

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Dracula---Gary-Oldman--C10033843.jpeg
You mean Gary Oldman doesn't look like this when he's at home? :wow:

Could you imagine him at PTA meetings?

[itsthebatman]

http://www.enquirer.com/columns/mcgurk/img/fifth_rev_200x240.jpg

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Dracula---Gary-Oldman--C10033843.jpeg
You mean Gary Oldman doesn't look like this when he's at home? :wow:

Could you imagine him at PTA meetings?
'Mr. Oldman, if we can just get back to your daughter's maths results...'
'You have a beautiful neck.' ****** head* 'Listen to those wolves outside, the children of the night. What beautiful music they make!.'
'O-kay. Let's start again...'

[hatesworking]

thanks for showing me a photo of the Count right before my bedtime - i will be having nightmares all night now

[Batty Belfry]

Lol

[Steelsheen]

thanks for showing me a photo of the Count right before my bedtime - i will be having nightmares all night now

dont forget to tuck in a cross, some holy water and an extra clove of garlic before going to bed ;)

[hatesworking]

f*** me. now im sh***** it. Did you really have to mention holy water and stuff , dude. Now im thinkig The Lost Boys, dracula 2001 and all sorts of S***

[itsthebatman]

Sleep well.
http://digitalvampire.net/movie/1979_salems_lot.jpg

[Batty Belfry]

Sleep well.
http://digitalvampire.net/movie/1979_salems_lot.jpg

:woot: :oldrazz: :woot: :wow:

hatesworking lives in Salem's Lot...:ninja:

[hatesworking]

oh s***, oh s***, oh S*** , Pet Cemetary is on my balls now as well , and the Shining

I really didnt need to see that pic guys

[itsthebatman]

:woot: :oldrazz: :woot: :wow:

hatesworking lives in Salem's Lot...:ninja:
It was cruel.
Here's a counterbalance.
http://images.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_SM/0017-0504-0702-0107_SM.jpg

[Batty Belfry]

Hehe, fluffy kitties and doggies. Pleasant dreams HW.

[Man on Fire]

Gary oldman best choice for jim gordon no one could of done better

[metkalfe]

He's one actor/character in TDK I dont wonna be wasted. But I enjoy him better in Harry Potter,Dracula,Harvey Oswald on JFK and Air Force One may be cheesy but Oldman rocks in that one. My brother always does his imitation of Oldman as Ivan Koshanov.

[Mr. LOL]

Gary Oldman is a LEGEND.

[Mr. LOL]

What is this from?

http://digitalvampire.net/movie/1979_salems_lot.jpg

Utterly creepy ...

[Retroman]

A new interview in The Telegraph:- (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/06/23/smoldman23.xml)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/madsci/smoldman23.jpg
Nice, that he feels so connected to the Gordon character.:up: On a side note i must say that it's strange that he's never been nominated for an Oscar.

[Cowleen]

Nice, that he feels so connected to the Gordon character.:up: On a side note i must say that it's strange that he's never been nominated for an Oscar.

We were talking about that the other day. All the classic and possibly cult movies he's been in and NOTHING.

He is the Susan Lucci of film. It used to be Scorsese, now its Oldman.

[Nepenthes]

What is this from?

http://digitalvampire.net/movie/1979_salems_lot.jpg

Utterly creepy ...

http://thecolumnists.com/miller/miller78art2.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/horror/1/0/g/E/kidsalemslot_sm.jpg
http://www.avrev.com/gifs/dvdreviews/salems.gif

1979 television series based on Steven King novel.

[mDrFkRjRm]

i liked his performance in True Romance
http://a747.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00338/64/78/338428746_l.jpg
"Y'know what we got here? Mother****in' Charlie Bronson. Mr. Majestyk." - Drexl Spivey

[GREEN =w= DAY]

And some people doubted Oldman could play Gordon...

really??

if i remember corectly, everyone was praising him

[StorminNorman]

Oldman would of made a perfect Zaphod Beeblebrox in his day. Perfect :(

[Borland]

At least he doesnt think he is Spartacus...

[Figs]

Oldman would of made a perfect Zaphod Beeblebrox in his day. Perfect :(

Yeah, I could totally see him in that role. I wonder how much screen time he is going to have in The Dark Knight.

[MaskedManJRK]

i liked his performance in True Romance
http://a747.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00338/64/78/338428746_l.jpg
"Y'know what we got here? Mother****in' Charlie Bronson. Mr. Majestyk." - Drexl Spivey

"He must've thought it was White Boy Day. Is it White Boy Day?"
"Nah, man, it aien't White Boy Day."

:woot:

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, I could totally see him in that role. I wonder how much screen time he is going to have in The Dark Knight.

not enough.

[dark_b]

Nice, that he feels so connected to the Gordon character.:up: On a side note i must say that it's strange that he's never been nominated for an Oscar.maybe this is a good thing :cwink:

[Darknightnomis]

Gary Oldman as Jim gordan is some of the best spot-on casting in comicbook movie history. He looked like he walked right out of Frank Miller's "Year one".

Plus the gave the greatest quote about Batman when he was asked why Batman is so popular with people for so many decades in pop culture.

He said: "Because he not from another planet. He wasn't biten by a radioactive spider and he's not a mutant".

I Love that qoute. :yay:

[Symbiotic]

http://thecolumnists.com/miller/miller78art2.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/horror/1/0/g/E/kidsalemslot_sm.jpg
http://www.avrev.com/gifs/dvdreviews/salems.gif

1979 television series based on Steven King novel. Hey look. It's Jared 'Blade II' Nomak

[Figs]

maybe this is a good thing :cwink:


Yeah, I wouldn't want him to win an award with the possibility of him getting lazy with his acting after that. It seems to happen with a number of actors. That or they for some reason start picking horrible roles. I like Oldman where he is, an underated chameleon.

[Nepenthes]

Hey look. It's Jared 'Blade II' Nomak

both of them are rip offs of this guy...

http://www.joeyalonso.com/nosferatu.jpg













who is a cheap imitation of this gentleman here......

http://www.follow-me-now.de/assets/images/Dracula-1.jpg

[Symbiotic]

both of them are rip offs of this guy...

http://www.joeyalonso.com/nosferatu.jpg













who is a cheap imitation of this gentleman here......

http://www.follow-me-now.de/assets/images/Dracula-1.jpg:woot:

[the_monk]

Yes! Gary Oldman is amazing. He's over the top when the movie calls for it and understated when it's necessary.

Hard to believe he's responsible for this quote (IMDB):

"Any actor who tells you that they have become the people they play, unless they're clearly diagnosed as a schizophrenic, is bull*****ting you."

You'd think he totally subscribed to that idea based on his roles. Must just be God-given ability I guess.

[Caliber]

Hes a great actor and is perfect for the role of Gordon. Hes done a great job in all of his films.

[Retroman]

We were talking about that the other day. All the classic and possibly cult movies he's been in and NOTHING.

He is the Susan Lucci of film. It used to be Scorsese, now its Oldman.
Or Peter O'Toole....but at least those guys were nominated. Oldman has never even gotten a nomination.:o
maybe this is a good thing :cwink:
Everyone wants respect especially from their peers.:cwink:

[Cowleen]

Seriously, how many of those things does Tom Hanks have and he never even fake-overdosed.

[Retroman]

Seriously, how many of those things does Tom Hanks have and he never even fake-overdosed.
lol Two and deservedly so IMO.

[itsthebatman]

lol Two and deservedly so IMO.
Forrest Gump is AWFUL. I cannot believe it won the Oscar ahead of Pulp Fiction and The Shawshank Redemption. Unbelievable.
On-topic, Oldman's great, and he should have had an Oscar by now, should have won for his Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Mr. LOL]

Forrest Gump is "awful" ... umm yeah, you lose aton of points. That movie is one of the best of all-time.

[TNC9852002]

Oldman just hasn't been given a big enough role I'd say..

-TNC

[itsthebatman]

Forrest Gump is "awful" ... umm yeah, you lose aton of points. That movie is one of the best of all-time.
It is COMPLETELY overrated. Sentimental, simple drivel. I passionately hate it.
I keep my points.

[sasquatchs]

I'd make a good husband Jenaay. *Wipes tear from eye*

:cwink:

[itsthebatman]

I'd make a good husband Jenaay. *Wipes tear from eye*

:cwink:
:cmad:
I'm not gonna discuss it anymore. I jusy have an irrational hatred of that film.
I need counselling to prevent me going off-topic.
Any sign of Oldman in the scenes today?

[sasquatchs]

Don't hurt me.

Nope, but seeing as they're filming the bat signal roof with a helicopter from 9 to 11pm it's a good bet he'll be there. Think this is what was supposed to happen at the weekend, but the weather was crap

[itsthebatman]

Don't hurt me.

Nope, but seeing as they're filming the bat signal roof with a helicopter from 9 to 11pm it's a good bet he'll be there. Think this is what was supposed to happen at the weekend, but the weather was crap
I would never hurt you, my friend. Unless you give me reason to.:oldrazz:

Of course, the scene's later on. Would love to see pics of the rooftop trio together.

[Steelsheen]

Nice, that he feels so connected to the Gordon character.:up: On a side note i must say that it's strange that he's never been nominated for an Oscar.
really gives a whole lot of confidence in the Academy doesnt it? :whatever:

[Cory]

Rewatched Batman Begins, and got the 'oh yea' feeling...i completely forgot all about Gordon being the one comforting Bruce after his parents were killed... Will Gordon find out about Bruce being Batman? how could this affect his relationship with him? theres a jumble of thoughts in my head if he in fact does find out, or even better..figures it out...

by the way..Gary Oldman...fantastic.

[Cory]

found by a mod, obviously with an extremely specific, complex search. kinda odd typing in 'Gordon' doesnt help.

i dont want Gordon doing a ton of investigating. maybe a little...but i feel at some point in TDK Gordon should suspect something is going on... maybe in the end he puts everything together... i also feel gordon comforting bruce after his parents death should be more touched on in TDK.

[darkknightfan63]

I'm hoping that Nolan spends a lot more time exploring the relationship between Batman and Gordon.

Aside from that, Gordon was promoted by the end of the first film. Do you think that Nolan will promote Gordon to Commissioner by the end of this film?

And, in additon to that, will Nolan provide Gordon with his own supporting cast in the form of Bullock, Montoya, Sara Essen, and his family?

Saw him and Nolan in a car filming, that was awesome, since then I have been watching numerous Oldman and Nolan films.

[gwynplaine]

I've always loved Gary Oldman. I hope he has more to do in TDK, otherwise it's like having a ferrari and leaving it in the garage.

[Nepenthes]

found by a mod, obviously with an extremely specific, complex search. kinda odd typing in 'Gordon' doesnt help.

Advanced Search > Thread Titles Only. it comes up first :cwink:


Gordon's gonna be badder in this one. Running around in SWAT gear, stepping up to Maroni, I reckon he'll also have some firm words for Batman too.

[CaptainClown]

I want there to be a scene where oldman steals the tumbler and goes joy riding

[Gianakin_]

I want there to be a scene where oldman steals the tumbler and goes joy riding

"Ju want to take a ride in my love matcheen, bay-beh?"

[Milu]

"Ju want to take a ride in my love matcheen, bay-beh?"
LoL.

I hope Gordon this time around is a bit more of a hard-ass.

[Gianakin_]

Considering I found him badass enough in BB, these set reports and plot rumors I've heard find me very optimistic about him in TDK.

[Cain]

I'm glad Gary "..but I've been wrong before." Oldman is gonna get a chance to finally embody Gordon to the fullest and not just play comic relief. This is like the most perfect casting in the history of comic book movies. From State of Grace to Romeo is Bleeding dude was one of the greatest to me.

[TLH]

I loved the classic Nolan flashback to young Bruce with his father and that heart-hearing device.

I would definitely love to see a flashback in TDK of a similar nature. Involving Gordan and the night Bruce's parents were killed would work perfectly. Oldman was great as Gordan and I definitely want just as much as him in TDK.

[CaptainClown]

I want Oldman to cock a shotgun and say "lets kick some ass" if that was in the movie, TDK would be my offical favorite movie.

[ArmsHeldOut]

From what I've gathered so far based on details surrounding the film along with Ledger's reported influences behind his Joker portrayal, methinks Gordon could be in for one hell of a 'dark' ride.
Here's why:

1) Ledger himself cited The Killing Joke among the works he drew inspiration from in crafting his vision of The Joker. Fans of the TKJ can clearly remember how Gordon is nearly pushed over the edge here through the machinations of Joker.

2) Gordon is no stranger to the loss of a loved one at the hands of a crazed murderer (i.e., Joker). Let's not forget Sarah Essen-Gordon.

3) In the 7 minute prologue to TDK, reports indicate that a wide-eyed Gordon is seen swinging an axe and ultimately crashing it down on the bat-signal. What could this mean? Resentment toward Batman for helping spawn The Joker and others of his ilk? Mind control of sorts? Who knows? There's a definite story there. Somewhere.

I'm sure I might have left out a reason or two to support my reasoning, but what has been stated above should be more than enough to get you thinking about the probability of Gordon and/or his loved ones being victimized for the sole purpose of driving the former mad.

Of course, it's unlikely that Sarah Essen will be introduced in the film as Gordon's mistress which leads me to believe that Gordon's current wife (portrayed in TDK by Melinda McGraw) just might be a potential target.

Any thoughts? :brucebat:

[coleyhinson]

From what I've gathered so far based on details surrounding the film along with Ledger's reported influences behind his Joker portrayal, methinks Gordon could be in for one hell of a 'dark' ride.
Here's why:

1) Ledger himself cited The Killing Joke among the works he drew inspiration from in crafting his vision of The Joker. Fans of the TKJ can clearly remember how Gordon is nearly pushed over the edge here through the machinations of Joker.

2) Gordon is no stranger to the loss of a loved one at the hands of a crazed murderer (i.e., Joker). Let's not forget Sarah Essen-Gordon.

3) In the 7 minute prologue to TDK, reports indicate that a wide-eyed Gordon is seen swinging an axe and ultimately crashing it down on the bat-signal. What could this mean? Resentment toward Batman for helping spawn The Joker and others of his ilk? Mind control of sorts? Who knows? There's a definite story there. Somewhere.

I'm sure I might have left out a reason or two to support my reasoning, but what has been stated above should be more than enough to get you thinking about the probability of Gordon and/or his loved ones being victimized for the sole purpose of driving the former mad.

Of course, it's unlikely that Sarah Essen will be introduced in the film as Gordon's mistress which leads me to believe that Gordon's current wife (portrayed in TDK by Melinda McGraw) just might be a potential target.

Any thoughts? :brucebat:it is a possibility...though its more likely that his family will be targeted

[jimmy]

Jim Gordon dies.

[ArmsHeldOut]

it is a possibility...though its more likely that his family will be targeted

That's what I'm trying to suggest. Perhaps Gordon will be targeted through his family and that could send him over the edge.

[jimmy]

In your jesus christ pose. . .

[Luchastyle]

when gordon smashed the bat signal, there were several angry people behind him. almost as if they were forcing him to do it. it was raining and everyone was yelling. it was like an angry mob.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Why the hell does Gordon destroy the bat signal? That seems very very STUPID to me. Its like Nolan is destroying elements from the comics....the tumbler, Wayne Manor, and now the bat signal?

Maybe he destroys it because Joker wants to use it to call Batman to set up a trap?

At the end, does Gordon stand on the top of GPD with a flair gun, and when Batman arrives, says "I couldn't find any bat signals...I destroyed it...lol" or some crap?

[BatSpider]

maybe its a trick on joker to think hes against batman

[Crook]

when gordon smashed the bat signal, there were several angry people behind him. almost as if they were forcing him to do it. it was raining and everyone was yelling. it was like an angry mob.
Hmm, are you sure about the yelling part? I sorta remember a crowd just grimly standing there in the rain waiting for Gordon.

As for Gordon being targeted, it's happening. In fact, it's been highly hinted at (the whole Jow situation). I would love it if Joker killed off his wife though. :up:

[William_C]

I'm curious as to how they come to that scene. I think its because maybe Batman has crossed a line somewhere, or the public is turned against him some how and Gordon succumbs to the mob, but to corrupt cops. I can picture the cops threatening Gordon's family in order to put pressure on him and destroy the bat signal in a attempt to trick everyone to thinking the no longer need Bats.

[BatSpider]

maybe joker kills his wife and gordan is so pissed that he COULDNT save her?

[Lead_Tester]

his son is raped violently by the joker while gordon is watching....
after that the joker says:

one bad day...

[BatSpider]

wait, that BATMAN:brucebat: couldnt save her

[Lead_Tester]

maybe joker kills his wife and gordan is so pissed that he COULDNT save her?

i really hope that something like it is included in the movie.

[BatSpider]

rephrease all of it


Gordan is pissed that Batman couldnt save his wife when joker kills her so he smashes the signal thinking theres no need for him anymore

[MMoralN10Tion]

From what I've gathered so far based on details surrounding the film along with Ledger's reported influences behind his Joker portrayal, methinks Gordon could be in for one hell of a 'dark' ride.
Here's why:

1) Ledger himself cited The Killing Joke among the works he drew inspiration from in crafting his vision of The Joker. Fans of the TKJ can clearly remember how Gordon is nearly pushed over the edge here through the machinations of Joker.

2) Gordon is no stranger to the loss of a loved one at the hands of a crazed murderer (i.e., Joker). Let's not forget Sarah Essen-Gordon.

3) In the 7 minute prologue to TDK, reports indicate that a wide-eyed Gordon is seen swinging an axe and ultimately crashing it down on the bat-signal. What could this mean? Resentment toward Batman for helping spawn The Joker and others of his ilk? Mind control of sorts? Who knows? There's a definite story there. Somewhere.

I'm sure I might have left out a reason or two to support my reasoning, but what has been stated above should be more than enough to get you thinking about the probability of Gordon and/or his loved ones being victimized for the sole purpose of driving the former mad.

Of course, it's unlikely that Sarah Essen will be introduced in the film as Gordon's mistress which leads me to believe that Gordon's current wife (portrayed in TDK by Melinda McGraw) just might be a potential target.

Any thoughts? :brucebat:

I see where you're comming from, however, Ledger said he drew inspiration from that Joker, not story.

That's true, and that could actually happen. Joker targeting Gordan's family...

Why would he destroy it? I'm guessing someone set a trap or something. It wasn't resentment over Batman. Remember, in Begins the Joker was introduced at the end, so he basically, for the most part, already existed.

[TheBatman072]

Gordon is really Batman's father.



Who was once his mother.

[Symbiotic]

his son is raped violently by the joker while gordon is watching....
after that the joker says:

one bad day...Yeah. Uh, not in this movie I don't think man.

[Hole Shot]

it is a possibility...though its more likely that his family will be targeted

A failure by Batman in that area could be the reason for the Batsignal smash.

[JackBauer24]

My prediction is that a lot of the Joker/Gordon plot from The Killing Joke will be in there... but with Dent instead of Gordon. And with Joker succeeding this time.

[MMoralN10Tion]

A failure by Batman in that area could be the reason for the Batsignal smash.
Why would he take it out on Batman though? I mean, when people are killed, do they take it out on the cops?

[bkey]

At some point in the movie, Gordon alerts Commissioner Loeb that he is going to fake his own death, because either he feels that either he or his family will be threatened. Detective Stephens alerts Gordon's wife, Barbara about his death. She becomes very upset and blames Batman for it. Later, Gordon "returns from the dead" sometime after Loeb is killed by the Joker.

[Hole Shot]

Why would he take it out on Batman though? I mean, when people are killed, do they take it out on the cops?

Even if the greatest cop in Gotham could be overtaken by grief and let his emotions get the better of him.

[BatJeff7786]

Why the hell does Gordon destroy the bat signal? That seems very very STUPID to me. Its like Nolan is destroying elements from the comics....the tumbler, Wayne Manor, and now the bat signal?


Well it's just a searchlight with a bat on it. It's not like they can't build another one (which they probably will by the time the film is over).

[BatSpider]

WTF?:huh:

[BatSpider]

at bkey comment

[bkey]

at bkey comment

At some point in the movie, Gordon alerts Commissioner Loeb that he is going to fake his own death, because either he feels that either he or his family will be threatened. Detective Stephens alerts Gordon's wife, Barbara about his death. She becomes very upset and blames Batman for it. Later, Gordon "returns from the dead" sometime after Loeb is killed by the Joker.

These scenes are from a call sheet from the Chicago filming. I believe it was Anjow who originally posted it, but it might have been someone else.

[BatSpider]

bkey, i think that would happen in a little kids version of the film

[bkey]

bkey, i think that would happen in a little kids version of the film

Trust me bud I know what I'm talking about.