The Cave

[The Fallen]

How should the Bat-Cave look now that "improvments are being made to the foundation on the south-east wing"? I'd personally like to see forensic equipment, computers (not a giant Super Computer), plasma screens and a training area. Thoughts?

[Ronny Shade]

I could dig a supercomputer.


Wasn't there a thread on this?


No worries, it was a while back.

[The Fallen]

I could dig a supercomputer.


Wasn't there a thread on this?


No worries, it was a while back.

Maybe I didn't see it cos I had noodles in my eye...

[StorminNorman]

Wow, ronny has a sexy new moving avatar!


Also...I want a dinosaur in the Bat Cave! I dont really know WHY its there, just the fact it is is cool IMO.

[Ronny Shade]

Wow, ronny has a sexy new moving avatar!


Also...I want a dinosaur in the Bat Cave! I dont really know WHY its there, just the fact it is is cool IMO.
Do you like it? I drew/animated it myself :up:

[The Fallen]

Do you like it? I drew/animated it myself :up:

I likes it? What what is it? Looks like a swank cat triumphantly holding up a can of cat food....

[StorminNorman]

Do you like it? I drew/animated it myself :up:

Its dog diggidy.....*hums Catdog theme song*....WTF is wrong with me?

[Ronny Shade]

It's Kakalime (who's more of a Fox than a cat) from my comic Mission: X basking in the power of the Xem stone.

[The Fallen]

It's Kakalime (who's more of a Fox than a cat) from my comic Mission: X basking in the power of the Xem stone.

Well la-de-da Mr. fancypants. Nah just fooling, wish I could animate and draw like that...

[Ronny Shade]

I might change it so its waist-up so the quality is a little better...

but I'll do that later.

[warren_sparta27]

anyway back on topic, i don't want to see the cave change really.
add a foresnics area, several computer screens (nothing huge, just normal sized screens) area for training with weights etc. and that's about all i would add.

[Ronny Shade]

I'd forget about the bottomless chasms. A bit cartoonish.

I would not mind a supercomputer as I said, but the hugomgoid screen is probably also a no-no. I'd go for an organic several-monitor set-up like the computers in The Matrix

Also the rogues gallery statues/giant penny/dinosaur, etc sould build up over time after he faces each villain.

[The Fallen]

I'd forget about the bottomless chasms. A bit cartoonish.

I would not mind a supercomputer as I said, but the hugomgoid screen is probably also a no-no. I'd go for an organic several-monitor set-up like the computers in The Matrix

Also the rogues gallery statues/giant penny/dinosaur, etc sould build up over time after he faces each villain.

Maybe he could have something from Begins in the cave?

[Ronny Shade]

Maybe he could have something from Begins in the cave?What, like the remains of the focused microwave emitter?

I wouldn't know what, but a good thought.

[warren_sparta27]

perhaps the scarecrows mask?

i like the idea of the same type of setup as the matrix ;)

[DA Harvey Dent]

I definitely want to see a gym in the batcave. Nothing crazy, free weights, a few machines, balance beams, martial arts equipment, etc.

[Rynan]

He probabley has a gym with such stuff in upstairs in Wayne Manor.

I don't think many changes are needed to the Batcave. The Compute Setup would be fine, if it isn't some super fangled peice of gaudy junk and doesn't break up the whole "I made it myself" vibe.

[Keyser Sushi]

I like the way the cave, in Begins, was just a cave with some lights bolted to the ceiling and a car parked in the middle. He's got a workbench, which is cool.

He probably does have a gymn upstairs. I don't know what more he needs in the cave, really. I too like the trophy room but yeah, that should take time to build up.

I don't know about the computer. The more I think about it, the more extraneous it seems, on so many levels. He's a detective, not a haX0r, I don't see why he'd need a deck.

Maybe that's just me...

[Ronny Shade]

perhaps the scarecrows mask?

i like the idea of the same type of setup as the matrix ;)

Scarecrow got away at the end is all.

[Two-Face]

But I love to see Scarecrow caming back or Batman catching him put in Arkham Asylum.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I could dig the cave being bigger. Other than that......not too much flashy stuff. Makes my head turn.

[Ronny Shade]

I could dig the cave being bigger. Other than that......not too much flashy stuff. Makes my head turn.
Well it won't make Bale's head turn if they don't change the cowl!

*rimshot*

[Retroman]

Some images of the Batcave......

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4656/cave1yc6.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2875/cave2sg1.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/850/bat32io2.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9343/newbatcavevt8.gifhttp://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3468/batcave00rv0.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5285/batcave01qc9.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8884/batcaveinteriorbc5.jpg


Source: http://www.designvortex.com/greenman/batcave.htm

[Retroman]

More....

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2254/batcavetc3.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1729/carsfa2.jpg

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/49.html

[Keyser Sushi]

Boy, the "new Batcave" from the comics sure does suck ass.

I'm a cave person. I like caves. The new Batcave doesn't feel enough like a cave. :down

I hope in the movies they keep it feeling... cavey.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well it won't make Bale's head turn if they don't change the cowl!

*rimshot*

That'd be funny if he actually couldn't.

But, since he can.....kinda makes the rimshot into a blocked shot.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Btw....yeah...the NEW cave just seems too.....I dunno, Star Trek, I guess.

I mean, that's what I loved about the Batcave from BB. It actually looks like a cave. Not CIA headquaters or something.

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah, exactly. It's a CAVE. It should be dark, have big-ass rock formations, shiny mineral deposits, bats, and the sound of the occasional dropping water.

And very wierd shadows.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You know what I loved most about the Batcave in Begins, though?

How you could just feel the damp, cold, rockiness in there. You could see the sediments, and the minerals....very organic stuff.

Alot of the Batcave interpretations, even the good ones....like BTAS and Burton's cave too.....they all just have a very very man made feel, to the point where it doesn't look much like a cave. If it weren't for the bats in those interpretations, you'd have a hard time knowing it was an actual cave.

I'm not knocking them though....just saying how I felt BB was unique in that aspect.

I do want an upgrade in TDK, and we'll probably get one too for sure. I just hope they don't get too space age on us.

[trustyside-kick]

I don't want to see a major amount of improvements made to the Batcave. We need to be realistic (and I do not say this because Nolan's take on these films are with some realism to it). It should take a while before he has a crapload of things developed in the cave.

I wouldn't mind something similar to how Lee drew the Batcave in All Star Batman and Robin (since that starts off with Batman still being a bit new). Perhaps add or remove a few things and it would be acceptable.

[kpjoon]

All we need in Nolan's cave is a computer desk, a computer, and a bed hahaha

[Ronny Shade]

That'd be funny if he actually couldn't.

But, since he can.....kinda makes the rimshot into a blocked shot.
It was a post-modern commentary on the fact that everyone says he still can't turn his head.

[Keyser Sushi]

You know what I loved most about the Batcave in Begins, though?

How you could just feel the damp, cold, rockiness in there. You could see the sediments, and the minerals....very organic stuff.

Alot of the Batcave interpretations, even the good ones....like BTAS and Burton's cave too.....they all just have a very very man made feel, to the point where it doesn't look much like a cave. If it weren't for the bats in those interpretations, you'd have a hard time knowing it was an actual cave.

I'm not knocking them though....just saying how I felt BB was unique in that aspect.

I do want an upgrade in TDK, and we'll probably get one too for sure. I just hope they don't get too space age on us.

I pretty much agree. The Begins cave felt like a cave, dank and dark and drippy. You could almost smell the air. The cave needs to retain its character as Bruce adds things to it, it needs to still feel like that cave, just with whatever additions he may make to the decor.

[Nepenthes]

TDK (ngorsh01@postoffice.csu.edu.au) could have a scene where an injured Batman gets medical help from Alfred, showing some hospital equipment that's improved from Rachael's little bed set-up in BB. Add a scene with Bruce in his crime lab...and that's all the cave needs I think.

Agree with everyone who loves the dark damp atmosphere in BB and yeah hope they don't overdo it to look all 'man made' like the other movies. All those comic pics on last page are bull**** - I've never really liked the way the cave is protrayed by most artists.

Also, remember in BR when Bruce plays the recording over Penguins speech - it shows Bruce inserting a CD into a machine and WTF there's a friggin Bat logo on the CD player! I was only eight and I still knew that was retarded.

First post! - longtime Batman fan, it's good to find a forum where (reasonably!) smart people aren't afraid to geek out over Bats!

[Ronny Shade]

Don't be fooled. None of us are smart.

[bunk]

TDK (ngorsh01@postoffice.csu.edu.au) could have a scene where an injured Batman gets medical help from Alfred, showing some hospital equipment that's improved from Rachael's little bed set-up in BB. Add a scene with Bruce in his crime lab...and that's all the cave needs I think.

Agree with everyone who loves the dark damp atmosphere in BB and yeah hope they don't overdo it to look all 'man made' like the other movies. All those comic pics on last page are bull**** - I've never really liked the way the cave is protrayed by most artists.

Also, remember in BR when Bruce plays the recording over Penguins speech - it shows Bruce inserting a CD into a machine and WTF there's a friggin Bat logo on the CD player! I was only eight and I still knew that was retarded.

First post! - longtime Batman fan, it's good to find a forum where (reasonably!) smart people aren't afraid to geek out over Bats!


The logo on the cd player was really lame but, the worst part was when he moved the cd back and forth like it was a freaking vinyl record! Every time I watch returns I enjoy it a little less.

[Spider-Fan83]

here's a question, what kinda secret entries do you wanna see to the batcave, we saw the hidden room behind the bookshelf (with the musical lock) leading to elevator, what other or new passage ways would you like to see (I think it might be to far down for the bat pole lol)

[Ronny Shade]

Grandfather Clock.

[avatarblade2000]

I liked the whole Underground Railroad thing in BEGINS, so I think that the elevator should stay...but it would be neat if the grandfather clock were to be the entrance TO the elevator.

So far as the cave goes, Nolan will most likely keep it simple and subtle, like he usually does. Thank God. I won't venture out and say necessarilly what we'll see, but I would LIKE to see basically what everyone else has said. Computers, weight room, CSI stuff (BRING ON THE CSI STUFF!), maybe a security system, or place for the Tumbler. It's too soon for the penny and the T-Rex thing, and it meanders into Schumacher territory, at least to me. Besides, aside from how natural and organic the cave looked in BEGINS, I loved that it was kinda small and manageable compared to the dark abyss of the prior films. It looked like it wouldn't be too hard to get from one side to the other, but also big enough for everything Bats needed to have its own place inside. Keep the cave small, IOW, down-to-earth, if that makes any sense.

[Keyser Sushi]

Grandfather Clock.

SECONDED. :up: :up:

[Soundwave88]

Some images of the Batcave......
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8884/batcaveinteriorbc5.jpg


Source: http://www.designvortex.com/greenman/batcave.htm

This should be the new BatCave :word:

[Ronny Shade]

I would love to see that. 'Course Nolan will give him a Macbook Pro or somethin' :rolleyes:

[Nepenthes]

ha ha ^

I can see Batman trudging in and flopping down on the couch and Alfred puts some Mozart on the iTunes to relax him.

[Tempest19]

A desk. A computer. A couple of television monitors. A microscope, scanner, csi equipment. And THAT'S ALL! Keep it realistic. Don't have trophies or other 'out there' devices. Just keep to the basics.

[Crooklyn]

There's nothing really "unrealistic" about the comic book batcave. You can call it over-the-top, that'd be a more proper term, but unrealistic it is not.

[Keyser Sushi]

There's nothing really "unrealistic" about the comic book batcave. You can call it over-the-top, that'd be a more proper term, but unrealistic it is not.

That's true.

The thing I think is that we may not get the big bank of monitors, though - because I'm not sure what Batman needs with more than one monitor.

Although new squadrooms at police stations do have a bank of monitors sometimes, sort of replaces the bulletin boards with the photos and the flow charts and whatnot. Maybe Batman WOULD have a use for multiple monitors, after all.

Hrmmm. Interesting...

[Nepenthes]

There's nothing really "unrealistic" about the comic book batcave. You can call it over-the-top, that'd be a more proper term, but unrealistic it is not.

Yeah right. It's an electrical powerhouse it'd be a glowing bright spot on the power grid. It's huge and it's buzzing with electrical 'noise' you'd be able to pick up with various devices if you were looking for something strange in Gotham. The caverns would show up in sonar imaging. And who the hell built the thing? Superman? okay that's realistic. Otherwise you need massive construction teams with experts in multiple feilds. Bruce Wayne is pretty clever but he's not an subteranean engineering genius, and if he is well then that's unrealistic too.


I can't really see Bruce crouched in front of one measely moniter. He'll take it over the top, several flat screens, police scanners, fancy stuff from Wayne tech. I hope the computer array looks hell rough though, different parts cobbled together with all wires hanging out. Not just one sleek unit.

[Spider-Fan83]

http://www.joeacevedo.com/images/customzone/customcon/downey2004/cave1.jpg

minus, Robin of course lol

[Ronny Shade]

That's true.

The thing I think is that we may not get the big bank of monitors, though - because I'm not sure what Batman needs with more than one monitor.

Although new squadrooms at police stations do have a bank of monitors sometimes, sort of replaces the bulletin boards with the photos and the flow charts and whatnot. Maybe Batman WOULD have a use for multiple monitors, after all.

Hrmmm. Interesting...
A comfortable monitor set-up to do anything more than word processing or starcraft is 2 good sized monitors (17"?). You'll find that in most offices whose work is computer based. I'd say give Batman 3. He can afford it. Make them 20". Then add in the monitor to display the images from the microscope. Then a screen to show results from the spectroscopy scanner. Then include security cam footage from inside the cave, Wayne manor and the grounds. One television tuned to every news channel. One monitor with security cam footage from the GCPD HQ. That's an entire wall of monitors. It's perfectly realistic for Bats to need a monitor bank.

[COMPO]

Yeah right. It's an electrical powerhouse it'd be a glowing bright spot on the power grid. It's huge and it's buzzing with electrical 'noise' you'd be able to pick up with various devices if you were looking for something strange in Gotham. The caverns would show up in sonar imaging. And who the hell built the thing? Superman? okay that's realistic. Otherwise you need massive construction teams with experts in multiple feilds. Bruce Wayne is pretty clever but he's not an subteranean engineering genius, and if he is well then that's unrealistic too.


I can't really see Bruce crouched in front of one measely moniter. He'll take it over the top, several flat screens, police scanners, fancy stuff from Wayne tech. I hope the computer array looks hell rough though, different parts cobbled together with all wires hanging out. Not just one sleek unit.

actually, the cave is powered by the river.

[El Payaso]

How about a ****ing good laptop

[Eros]

billions of dollars you would atleast think Batman can create a decent Batcave for all his nocturnal activites. The cave in begins looked like that becasue Bruce was just starting out, and didn't have time to add all whatis wanted. I assume given a years time, buy "The Dark Knight". Batman is a fantasy character, and Begins was obviously a fantasy film, i assume the sequel will be a Darker fantasy film.

[COMPO]

i think that in every film they shoudl add soemthing new. That way in TDK tehy only have small things. Then in B3 he has supercomputers and by B4 its the batcave.

[ang_hulk]

A new place for the suit,He had it in a wooden china closet for godsakes.It be nice to see a small room with a place for other bat stuff.I do want to see a nice computer set up and mabey a ramp for the tumbler so he doesnt have to waste the jump feature.As far as entrances from the house id like to see one in the kitchen or the bathroom,some place common,although it makes the chance of finding it easier it could be hidden.I like the piano setup and i hope it stays but having the elevator upgraded would be nice.

[Keyser Sushi]

A new place for the suit,He had it in a wooden china closet for godsakes.It be nice to see a small room with a place for other bat stuff.I do want to see a nice computer set up and mabey a ramp for the tumbler so he doesnt have to waste the jump feature.As far as entrances from the house id like to see one in the kitchen or the bathroom,some place common,although it makes the chance of finding it easier it could be hidden.I like the piano setup and i hope it stays but having the elevator upgraded would be nice.

But he'd still have to use the jump feature to get back inside... :confused:

The brilliant thing about having to use the jump feature on the Tumbler to get it in and out of the cave is that no other vehicle can get in or out of there. Reduces the chances of anybody finding it by accident, yes?

[Crooklyn]

http://www.livescience.com/images/060213_new_cave_02.jpg

P.S. That little white spec on the floor next to the waterfall? That's a helicopter. :up:

[El Payaso]

Is it me or there are 2 helicopters?

[Keyser Sushi]

Is it me or there are 2 helicopters?

There are.

What the hell is that picture from?

And what's the point of the helicopters?

[Dark Guardian]

All I have to say is. BTAS.
Thats what I want to see. I want the cave to still be rough, but to have little bits of modernized stuff in the corners. I want the giant computer, but for it to be surrounded by rock. I want stone stairs leading down. I want a vault, but it shouldn't be all nice and steely shiney, it should just be a servicable vault, kind of set against the rock. I want it to be lit from lights, but not by great huge halogen lights, dim is cool.
I'm talking TAS before the "Gotham Knights" era.
Oh yeah, and a turntable and a ramp leading out of the cave for the Tumbler, cuz thats just pointless to have him jumping in and out of the waterfall.
I mean, think of the RUST!

[Keyser Sushi]

Oh yeah, and a turntable and a ramp leading out of the cave for the Tumbler, cuz thats just pointless to have him jumping in and out of the waterfall.
I mean, think of the RUST!

I'm pretty sure the Tumbler isn't going to rust. Doesn't your car get rained on pretty often? Doesn't it get washed from time to time?

Besides, the Tumbler is a MILITARY vehicle. I think it's made to handle some rough treatment.

Also, the Turntable is from Burton's movies, so you know Nolan won't do it. He needs to do his own thing.

Also -- and I seem to recall saying this earlier tonight in this very same thread, but...

The waterfall jump adds SECRECY... people are less likely to stumble on the cave. And you can't just drive into it with any car.

[Dark Guardian]

The waterfall jump adds SECRECY... people are less likely to stumble on the cave. And you can't just drive into it with any car.

Well, you can drive any car in there, it just won't survive to see the cave.

Yeah I see your points. I concede. I still think it would get a little annoying if Batman needed to leave REALLY fast, and he had to spend those critical moments getting enough room to make the jump out of the cave.
Batman should be ready to leave instantly.

[BatB]

I say in the movies he should add grated walkways so he can more easily move around. Add some kind of computer setup; I'm a fan of the multi-screen look myself, but I wouldn't mind a big plasma screen in there somewhere. Of course some kind of lab. I'd like to see a vault in there as well, some place in the cave where he can keep and secure the more dangerous materials he encounters, this could also function as a museum :) . I'd also like the waterfall entrance to be sealed off with some really big, really thick metal doors. :)

[El Payaso]

And what's the point of the helicopters?

Human transportation.

[Keyser Sushi]

Human transportation.

I love you.

[cryptic name]

it would be more practical to have a drawbridge type entrance through the waterfall. similar to TAS. i think it makes more sense, i mean, what if the batmobile gets damaged and can't make the jump?

[Crooklyn]

Don't you think you're reaching quite a bit with that example? There's a myriad amount of ways things can go wrong with Batman's utilities, but at that point you're just being nit-picky.

[batman44]

In terms of the computer area, I like what Lee Bermejo did.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/cave.jpg

[COMPO]

that look so BB.

[joe petree]

remember in the end alred suggfested that they improve the south east corner also known as the batcave which will be larger

[Keyser Sushi]

In terms of the computer area, I like what Lee Bermejo did.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/cave.jpg

Yes. :up: :up:

That IS the Batcave.

[StorminNorman]

I want a Giant Penny :(

[Keyser Sushi]

I want a Giant Penny :(

I would not mind Batman having a trophy room.

But as in the comics, all of those trophies must first be earned. For instance, if he had his League of Shadows ninja gear in a glass case -- that's his first trophy. :up:

TDK should grant him another trophy he could add, and then so on and so forth.

[The Sage]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5431/scan00130014wp7.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00130014wp7.jpg)

[Keyser Sushi]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5431/scan00130014wp7.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00130014wp7.jpg)

I have mixed feelings about that version of the cave.

[Crooklyn]

Pfft...eff that. **** would be bad-ass for the third film. :o

[kenellard]

as someone with the resources to do something about it, it'd mae ssense for Bruce to block off the waterfall entrance with doors or something similar and thus have some kind of ramp setup to get out. I mean, it hardly makes sense to have your entire secret identity hinging on the assumption that nobody will ever accidentally wander in there. It could be like that movie the descent, bruce walks into the batcave one day to find 6 chicks running around screaming and swinging ice-picks

[Crooklyn]

How exactly would you "stumble" upon a waterfall...no less have the idea to "go inside and explore"?

[Keyser Sushi]

Pfft...eff that. **** would be bad-ass for the third film. :o

It's waaaaaaaaay too Schumacher.

I like the cave to feel like...

...

...a cave.

[StorminNorman]

I dont see Batman being the type of guy that needs his logo hanging up everywhere in his cave.

[Keyser Sushi]

I dont see Batman being the type of guy that needs his logo hanging up everywhere in his cave.

Precisely. :up:

[Crooklyn]

It's waaaaaaaaay too Schumacher.

I like the cave to feel like...

...

...a cave.
It's metal built on top of the cave. That type of thing would make sense as the cave eventually "evolves".

And it's not nearly Shumacher-like with flashing strobe lights and extravagent items.

I dont see Batman being the type of guy that needs his logo hanging up everywhere in his cave.
I see absolutely no logos in that picture...

[Keyser Sushi]

It's metal built on top of the cave. That type of thing would make sense as the cave eventually "evolves".

He'd need a floor that was either poured concrete or some sort of metal. He'd need a computer station and a work area for the Tumbler. He may require some sort of forensics lab. That's it.

And it's not nearly Shumacher-like with flashing strobe lights and extravagent items.

What about the Bat-motif around the computer station, the bizarre futuristic quality of the console, the extra and pointless lighted consoles everywhere, and the gigantic Bat-logo on the floor?

I see absolutely no logos in that picture...

Check the floor, amigo.

[Crooklyn]

He'd need a floor that was either poured concrete or some sort of metal. He'd need a computer station and a work area for the Tumbler. He may require some sort of forensics lab. That's it.
Again, I'm referring more to the "later years" of the cave. And that's what the image represents. I highly doubt a disgustingly rich man like Bruce would limit himself so dearly in such a huge area. He'll get whatever he needs.

What about the Bat-motif around the computer station,
That can go.

the bizarre futuristic quality of the console,
Tha can be toned down a bit.

the extra and pointless lighted consoles everywhere
Well it's not exactly a disco room with light sources everywhere. They're either to provide some brightness for a virtually dark area, or plain and simple...the electronics are left on. Don't you ever leave your computer on? :p


Check the floor, amigo.
Hmm, I apologize. I took a quick glance. That can go as well. :o

[kenellard]

How exactly would you "stumble" upon a waterfall...no less have the idea to "go inside and explore"?

well from what we can see in begins the waterfall seems to be of a pretty significant size, it doesn't make much sense for such a large geographical feature near a major city to be completely unknown, and I'm pretty sure waterfalls usually flow into rivers, which go into oceans, so I think it's pretty far-fetched to say nobody knows about the waterfall or that no-one will ever investigate it.

[Keyser Sushi]

Again, I'm referring more to the "later years" of the cave. And that's what the image represents. I highly doubt a disgustingly rich man like Bruce would limit himself so dearly in such a huge area. He'll get whatever he needs.


That can go.


Tha can be toned down a bit.


Well it's not exactly a disco room with light sources everywhere. They're either to provide some brightness for a virtually dark area, or plain and simple...the electronics are left on. Don't you ever leave your computer on? :p



Hmm, I apologize. I took a quick glance. That can go as well. :o

And that addresses my main misgivings about the design The Sage posted.

:up:

I don't mind Batman having some tech down there... but I do want it to not have logos, I want it to have the equipment he needs in it, but I want it to retain the feel of a natural environment... the cave as it was in the comics prior to "No Man's Land" was great. The point of it is that it's not just a high-tech base... it's also a CAVE... he's BATman, he lives in a CAVE.

It ought to always be recognizeable as a cave. And caves are beautiful in their own right. Whatever equipment is built into it ought to compliment the environment in some way. The cave from Batman 89 and the cave from TAS were acceptable for that reason.

Likewise the cave in Begins looks like the cave from the comics, without all the stuff installed in it yet. I'm sure he'll have more equipment in it in TDK, and a new floor, etc. It just needs to still feel like that cave, and we're good.

[Crooklyn]

well from what we can see in begins the waterfall seems to be of a pretty significant size, it doesn't make much sense for such a large geographical feature near a major city to be completely unknown, and I'm pretty sure waterfalls usually flow into rivers, which go into oceans, so I think it's pretty far-fetched to say nobody knows about the waterfall or that no-one will ever investigate it.
Well my point is why would anyone question a waterfall. I don't know about you, but most people look at it, point and say, "oh that looks cool", then move on with their lives. That's all there is to it.

[Keyser Sushi]

well from what we can see in begins the waterfall seems to be of a pretty significant size, it doesn't make much sense for such a large geographical feature near a major city to be completely unknown, and I'm pretty sure waterfalls usually flow into rivers, which go into oceans, so I think it's pretty far-fetched to say nobody knows about the waterfall or that no-one will ever investigate it.

Suppose the waterfall is on private property.

The waterfall has to be on the maps but the cave behind it is not. It's on private property and you have to know where the cave's waterfall entrance is. You can't get to it with a vehicle because it's across a deep, wide chasm, and it's not so large. The only way in is to either rappel down to it from the falls (and why would you go rappelling over a waterfall? You wouldn't, unless you were looking for a cave behind it) or to jump a vehicle into it, and why the hell would you do that unless you knew it was there?

The odds of anybody finding it are INCREDIBLY small.

[kenellard]

Well my point is why would anyone question a waterfall. I don't know about you, but most people look at it, point and say, "oh that looks cool", then move on with their lives. That's all there is to it.

hikers, cave-divers, people like that. If I saw a huge waterfall with a cave behind it, I'd definately want to see what it was like in there. It's simple human curiosity

[Keyser Sushi]

hikers, cave-divers, people like that. If I saw a huge waterfall with a cave behind it, I'd definately want to see what it was like in there. It's simple human curiosity

1.) You'd need Bruce Wayne's permission to be there

2.) HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THERE WAS A CAVE THERE?!?!?!

It's HIDDEN BY THE WATERFALL, dingus.

[kenellard]

1.) You'd need Bruce Wayne's permission to be there

2.) HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THERE WAS A CAVE THERE?!?!?!

It's HIDDEN BY THE WATERFALL, dingus.

It's not a solid wall of water, so the large black chasm behind the water might give someone an inkling. the geography of it all suggests that the cave is, at least partially directly under bruces house, so I'd like to now where this river/waterfall deal comes into it, maybe wayne manor is like the simpsons' house? I'll concede that if the cave is on Bruce's property then that's another story altogether, but if it's not actually in the grounds, say bruce owns a forest and all that jazz, he can hardly keep watch on it 24/7. My point is he'd be better off building a big B****rd gate and if anyone does find it and asks questions, it's none of their business. job done.

[Keyser Sushi]

It's not a solid wall of water, so the large black chasm behind the water might give someone an inkling.

I don't remember it being visible...


the geography of it all suggests that the cave is, at least partially directly under bruces house, so I'd like to now where this river/waterfall deal comes into it, maybe wayne manor is like the simpsons' house?

LOL. It's hard to say. We did see the Tumbler driving through a long tunnel, so I'm willing to bet that while the Cave itself is under Wayne Manor, there's a large cavern that extends out across the property and opens into the cliff face above the river.

There's also a lot of water in the cave, and one of the chambers is separated off by a waterfall as well. That's not uncommon in caves, of course. And there's the matter of the well, which was certainly functional at one time. So my guess is that there's a lot of water near Wayne Manor (which is historically true in the comics). While the river may not be on Wayne's property, his property line may end at the cliff where the waterfall drops from, and as such there'd be no way to explore it unless one was on his land. And no way to get there except to come in the gate.

I'll concede that if the cave is on Bruce's property then that's another story altogether, but if it's not actually in the grounds, say bruce owns a forest and all that jazz, he can hardly keep watch on it 24/7. My point is he'd be better off building a big B****rd gate and if anyone does find it and asks questions, it's none of their business. job done.

LOL yes but the big bastard gate is a sure sign that he's got something to hide...

[Retroman]

In terms of the computer area, I like what Lee Bermejo did.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/cave.jpg
I could see Nolan doing something like this.Just wonder how they're going to solve the problem of all the bats, water. They'll need to put some amount of steel in there to protect it. And how will Bruce be able to do everything will only the help of Alfred?
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5431/scan00130014wp7.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00130014wp7.jpg)
Looks good but its a bit too much like the B89/BF cave.I think the current team want to stray away from that.

[Retroman]

Some pics of the Batcave from BB....

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8982/0050526092908546fz0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9354/0526092914139dx4.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9498/bbnew18jd6.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/845/wbatman26su3.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5752/batman07bbho5.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1926/bds6647xc4.jpg

[Babs Gordon]

Ok. For a dose of hyper-realism let me say this. As a geologist, karst regions (i.e. regions with limestone caverns) are usually highly explored. Odds are good that in our world, scientists would know about the waterfall from airphotos and geologic mapping and would know about the cave.

But given that most people are unaware of the intensity and thoroughness of geologic surveillance of the country's land, it is fine to just suspend disbelief. If the entrance is in fact deep on Bruce's land he can build a wall around his property. The end.

That might make for an interesting storyline though... a couple of stalwart spelunkers find their way to the batcave accidentally from a cave entrance outside his property. Bwahaha. Oops!

Anyway, I suspect Lucius Fox's role will continue into the second movie and it makes complete sense that he will be outfitting Bats with more tech... like a super computer. I do really like Lee Bermejo's drawing of how the bat cave should be. Looks very appropriate for TDK. I suspect as Batman gets further drawn into his detective world he will need to continuously improve the efficiency of the batcave, i.e. flat floors. Given that limestone is deposited in flat beds, it would probably make the most sense to strip away the irregularly eroded beds to expose the flat surface of other ones. Otherwise how would he pour concrete floors with no other help from the outside world?

[Riven]

Otherwise how would he pour concrete floors with no other help from the outside world?
Blind Mexican laborers!

[Ronny Shade]

In terms of the computer area, I like what Lee Bermejo did.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/cave.jpg
Exactly what I want.

[cryptic name]

Don't you think you're reaching quite a bit with that example? There's a myriad amount of ways things can go wrong with Batman's utilities, but at that point you're just being nit-picky.

not really. i think it's a valid possibility. the fact that he relies on the car being completely functional just to get back into the cave.

[Tempest19]

In terms of the computer area, I like what Lee Bermejo did.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/cave.jpg

Definitely. That looks awesome and is grounded in realism.

Then maybe just a desk off to the side with a microscope and csi equipment of the like.

And that's it- no dinosaurs or giant pennies (lol), just grounded in realism.

[Rynan]

Some pics of the Batcave from BB....
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9354/0526092914139dx4.jpg

They should continue to use this work station within the foundation as his primary cave hangout. All they need to do is put in some tech equiptment and it would be perfect.

[Miranda Fox]

Some pics of the Batcave from BB....
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9498/bbnew18jd6.jpg

Is that filming/set equipment in the background? Because I can't help but notice it looks like a rudimentry computer...

[ang_hulk]

it would be more practical to have a drawbridge type entrance through the waterfall. similar to TAS. i think it makes more sense, i mean, what if the batmobile gets damaged and can't make the jump?


exactly and its a proto and american made so its going to give out one of these times,whats so bad about having a ramp to get in and out? if you own an suv(a real one) then is made to go over large rocks but do you allow large rocks in your drive way or garage? no.