Batman Begins VS The Batman

[thealiasman2000]

Hi!

This is a thread to compare the reboot of the Batman movies with the reboot of the Batman cartoon series.

So, which one do you like the most:

-"Batman Begins" Batman or "The Batman" Batman?

-"Batman Begins" Alfred Pennyworth or "The Batman" Alfred Pennyworth?

-"Batman Begins" James Gordon or "The Batman" James Gordon?

[deathshead2]

Batman begins everything sense I hate the batman and all it stands for.

[Two-Face]

That I agree with Deathshead2.

[Mister J]

Clean sweep for Begins. It's not even close.

[warren_sparta27]

Gordon is in 'The Batman'...really?

[Two-Face]

Yeah he eppeared.

[El Payaso]

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[The Kid]

yum yum

[ToddIsDead]

http://www.jfpm.co.za/pics/apples.jpghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/oranges.jpg
That's really all that can be said. You just can't compare them.

[Katsuro]

No, it's not even like comparing apples and oranges. It's like comparing... apples and that crap i scraped off the bottom of my shoe this morning. The Batman is by far the worst interpretation of the comics I have seen to date. I mean... at least B&R was so bad it was funny.

[ToddIsDead]

Fair enough...

[Ronny Shade]

I didn't know The Batman had a Gordon. I liked a few things about that show but not nearly enough to keep me watching it.

[Two-Face]

I hated Joker version of The Batman, he looked a freak without shoes.

[Morgoth]

Batman begins everything sense I hate the batman and all it stands for.I agree.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The Batman is a watered down version of the Batman mythos......but still not that bad. They've screwed up the Joker completley.....

[Super_Ludacris]

Batman Begins wins. The Batman is a kids version of the batman for reinvention. lol@ people taking it seriously and thinking it's a bastardization. It's not built to compliment grown and long term comic book readers like Timm/Dini's era. So as a kids show its ok

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.......Begins simply owns the toon. BTAS is the overall better of the BATMAN cartoon. everything, from script to use of characters is outweighed by the BTAS.

The only thing that the BATMAN has over BTAS is visuals, the BTAS is rather dated.....but, if you wonder what BTAS might look like if done today, look at JLU.

[fangrl06]

I liked the original Batman movies better than begins. It just didn't seem like the same Batman from the older comics. Batman is not supposed to be totally serious. And until the recent comics and movies he never was.

[Two-Face]

I liked the original Batman movies better than begins. It just didn't seem like the same Batman from the older comics. Batman is not supposed to be totally serious. And until the recent comics and movies he never was.


Yes Batman should be homosexual with nipples directed by Joel Schumcher.:rolleyes:

[ToddIsDead]

That is the most rediculuous thing I have ever read. You need to read a lot more Batman comics.

[fangrl06]

Damn, you Batman fans are harsh. I just noticed that Batman Begins has a lot less humor than the other stuff (including the Adam West stuff) and I think that it would have been more fun to make the film alittle lighter.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.......Batman is taken rather serious in the comics. And it was inteded to be so by Bob Kane and Bill Finger....

[fangrl06]

That is the most rediculuous thing I have ever read. You need to read a lot more Batman comics.
I do read the comics, and yes alot of the more recent stuff is dark, but that is not how Batman started out.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Actually......it was.......

[Two-Face]

Damn, you Batman fans are harsh. I just noticed that Batman Begins has a lot less humor than the other stuff (including the Adam West stuff) and I think that it would have been more fun to make the film alittle lighter.

Was that harsh? sorry it had to be said, look at what happened with Batman Forever and B&R when went with "lighter" did it work? no.

[ToddIsDead]

Read the first five or ten years of Batman comics. They were pretty damn serious. Anything after 1968 was all about getting Batman back to his serious roots. The Batman comics that were goofy only lasted about two decades. The only "light" Batman movies were the Adam West stuff, and the Schumacher movies. Many fans, including myself, do not believe this to be the true Batman.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Batman Begins had some corny lines....that made it lighter. Not light enough to kill the film or hurt it...but light enough for the film to be fun for....well, outsiders.

[ToddIsDead]

Just read Detective Comics #27 and tell me that's not dark and serious.

[fangrl06]

I'm sorry....Batman winning a costume contest and accidentally attacking an old woman is serious....?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

In most countries, yes.

[fangrl06]

Just read Detective Comics #27 and tell me that's not dark and serious.
You could read ASM issue 121 and nothing else and think that SM is totally serious...

[ToddIsDead]

What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, read that one single issue, and tell me that Batman was never intended to be dark and serious.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

SM CAN be taken serious......it's not tounge and cheek all the time.

[fangrl06]

What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, read that one single issue, and tell me that Batman was never intended to be dark and serious.
lol.....no. He wears underwear out side of his costume for christ's sake!

[ToddIsDead]

I suggest you read Batman: Archives Volume 1 and any Spider-Man stuff written by Stan Lee, and see how little you know about these characters.

[fangrl06]

SM CAN be taken serious......it's not tounge and cheek all the time.
yeah, but in the beginning it was all light hearted. Almost every major hero started out that way.

[Super_Ludacris]

I dont think you need to read a single Batman comic to know Begins was more serious/dark and "grown up" than Schumacher/Burton counterpart but whether or not you enjoyed or not depends on what you expect from an adaptation. Sometimes an adaption can work without being faitheful, having fantasy fiction and be charismatic (89-97).But if you want to show the essence of the popularity of the mythology and storyline while showing how realistically a Batman story may work justifying universal appeal Begins wins. It all depends on perspective

[fangrl06]

I suggest you read Batman: Archives Volume 1 and any Spider-Man stuff written by Stan Lee, and see how little you know about these characters.
LMAO.....Sorry, but I have. And it wasn't completely humorless like BB.

[ToddIsDead]

BB wasn't even humorless though :confused:

[Super_Ludacris]

I suggest you read Batman: Archives Volume 1 and any Spider-Man stuff written by Stan Lee, and see how little you know about these characters.

You dont have to read to single comic to understand and respect what begins is about. That's not endearing that's just talking down

[Two-Face]

I bet you want something like Adam West version of Batman on big screen, oh wait it did it was called Batman and Robin (1997) rent it.

[Super_Ludacris]

LMAO.....Sorry, but I have. And it wasn't completely humorless like BB.

It wasnt trying to be. Again with a character like Batman they are different perspective and adaptations over time (including ones you mentioned). Begins was one that was more core to a popular perspective

[fangrl06]

I bet you want something like Adam West version of Batman on big screen, oh wait it did it was called Batman and Robin (1997) rent it.
damn kid, sit down take a deep breath and grab a beer...it's all good.

[Two-Face]

I'm kid??

[fangrl06]

I'm sorry you're not? You talk like one....:p

[Super_Ludacris]

This what happens when both sides of the comic fan spectrum clash

[Two-Face]

I'm sorry you're not? You talk like one....:p


If you are buyin' the beer sure I will be a kid...:eek:

[fangrl06]

This what happens when both sides of the comic fan spectrum clash
Actually...I don't really care. I just like to piss fanboys off. Beats homework.

[Super_Ludacris]

Actually...I don't really care. I just like to piss fanboys off. Beats homework.


pointless but if it helps you be the school dropout you were destined to be, go on then

[zer00]

I do read the comics, and yes alot of the more recent stuff is dark, but that is not how Batman started out.

Batman started out killing people

then went campy to be more "kid friendly"

during this time he fought space aliens and wore a zebra batman suit

then since those sold badly after a while they went dark again

and more into the detective realm

then it became more violent

and more dark


but of course he doesn't kill


so you need to study before posting

[fangrl06]

pointless but if it helps you be the school dropout you were destined to be, go on then
pffft. I make great grades.:)

[fangrl06]

Honestly tell me none of you have ever done that?
*cough*
Zer00
*cough*

[Super_Ludacris]

All the time but not intentionally. Just pointless then.

[fangrl06]

oh, I didn't do it intentionally either, it was just funny as hell to see him worked up.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Many people need to start reading comics......hmmmm......I could always guide you through the world of Batman comics, fangrl.

[ToddIsDead]

I don't think she really cares. She was just trying to get a rise out of us.

[CConn]

I think that's exactly what CCB wants her to do. :o

[ToddIsDead]

Oh, I see...

[CConn]

Ah, the human sex gland. What will they think of next.

[ToddIsDead]

I love the human sex gand!!!


:confused:

[Mister J]

The original Batman was meant to be a dark and menacing character. He killed criminals, casually gunning them down or breaking their necks without remorse. Initially he even had problems with the police who viewed him as a nuisance.

Humor was not a major element. The appearance of such can be attributed from today's perspective. What was intended to be menacing in the late 30's/early 40's can easily be construed as campy/humorous today. The decision to include lighter fare later on was made to make the character more relateable to the it's audience of children (good relations with the police, Robin, more comic relief).

Bob Kane and Bill Finger stylized Batman on the old pulp magazines that were grim and lacking in humor. When the became clear that the character was a success, it underwent certain changes to maximize popularity. It's documented that Kane regretted the disappearance of the solitary and sinister Batman of the early days.

No way did Batman start out light-hearted, nor should he be portrayed that way.

edit: I wrote this awhile ago and now see that it wasn't necessary. Damn delayed loading.

[CConn]

But it was excellently put.

[CConn]

I love the human sex gand!!!


:confused:God dammit, I forgot the L. :down

[Mister J]

God dammit, I forgot the L. :down
Penny Marshall would be upset with you.

[LexCorp]

Batman Begins I belive to be better for me. I am not a child so "The Batman" can not appeal to even my most childish expectations.

[nite-owl]

Actually...I don't really care. I just like to piss fanboys off. Beats homework.

So basically your a troll.

[LexCorp]

So basically your a troll.

Haha nice sig. :up:

[nite-owl]

Haha nice sig. :up:

Thank you.:)

[LexCorp]

I said it before and I say it now:
The Batman = Jackie Chan Adventures :down
Batman Begins = A night with Jessica Alba :up:

[nite-owl]

I know someone who thought Jackie Chan did his own in the cartoon.

[LexCorp]

I know someone who thought Jackie Chan did his own in the cartoon.

You mean his own voice?

[Super_Ludacris]

His own drawings?

[LexCorp]

His own drawings?

Super Lud my avatar wants to zap your avatar on the butt!!!!

[nite-owl]

You mean his own voice?

Yes.

[Shawn Wayne]

Begins all the way. They should scrap the batman and start over, it was a big disappointment to me, worse than michael jackson even, lol

[The Kid]

This would be harder to answer if it was Begins vs BatmanTAS.


I'd have to go with TAS if that wer the case.

[The Kid]

Many people need to start reading comics......hmmmm......I could always guide you through the world of Batman comics, fangrl.

send me pics or record it please :(:up:

[CConn]

This would be harder to answer if it was Begins vs BatmanTAS.


I'd have to go with TAS if that wer the case.I think most would say TAS as well.

Oh **** it, I'll make a poll.

[LexCorp]

This would be harder to answer if it was Begins vs BatmanTAS.


I'd have to go with TAS if that wer the case.

BATMAN TAS !!!

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah TAS is the best.

But The Batman completely sucks, Begins is better by a long shot.

[Katsuro]

I know someone who thought Jackie Chan did his own in the cartoon.

That actually confused me for a long time. I knew that Jackie Chan was involved on the show, so i figured logically he'd do his own voice... but it didn't sound anything like him.

[LexCorp]

That actually confused me for a long time. I knew that Jackie Chan was involved on the show, so i figured logically he'd do his own voice... but it didn't sound anything like him.

Doesn't act like Jackie either! :o

[deathshead2]

Doesn't act like Jackie either! :oPlese don't talk about that show I really miss it. Dang I hope WB makes dvds of it.:(

[LexCorp]

Plese don't talk about that show I really miss it. Dang I hope WB makes dvds of it.:(

Jackie Chan Adventures? Hey you like what you like. I just feel it was near the end of his career and a last hit attempt to break into another media. All that shows has about Jackie is his name.

[deathshead2]

Jackie Chan Adventures? Hey you like what you like. I just feel it was near the end of his career and a last hit attempt to break into another media. All that shows has about Jackie is his name.The last season was bad but the first few were good.

[LexCorp]

The last season was bad but the first few were good.

I never watched every one but I watched enough to form an opinion of it.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Batman begins everything sense I hate the batman and all it stands for.:up: This is my two cents.

[LexCorp]

:up: This is my two cents.

Should be everyones 2 cents....

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Should be everyones 2 cents....Exactly, and The Batman doesn't even begin to compare to Batman: The animated series.

[LexCorp]

Exactly, and The Batman doesn't even begin to compare to Batman: The animated series.

I like you.......

[Bathead]

Not really fair to compare The Batman to Begins or TAS. The Batman is directed at kids, and as such is a lot better than many shows for the same audience. And it fares well against older cartoon versions of Batman. Scooby-Doo meets Batman abd Robin, Superfriends, etc., all make TB look like Shakespeare by comaprison. Even tho i'm a 52 yr. old Bat-fart, I like it just fine.

[ToddIsDead]

I think some people are short changing The Batman. It wasn't great but it wasn't horrible. It just doesn't appeal to us as much as to its target audience: i.e. kids. I enjoyed some of it, especially Batman vs. Dracula. That was surprisingly good.

[The Kid]

Not really fair to compare The Batman to Begins or TAS. The Batman is directed at kids, and as such is a lot better than many shows for the same audience. And it fares well against older cartoon versions of Batman. Scooby-Doo meets Batman abd Robin, Superfriends, etc., all make TB look like Shakespeare by comaprison. Even tho i'm a 52 yr. old Bat-fart, I like it just fine.

I don't know much about kids today, maybe a lot of the members are kids so they can tell me this. Do kids like that crappy show?

[Mr. Socko]

I use to love the old Scooby Doo episodes where he meets Batman and Robin.

As for The Batman, it sucks so much butt. I hate the stupid drawings that look like something from Jackie Chan Adventures. I'll never watch TB again in my life.

[buggs0268]

I did like a lot of things that was in "The Batman VS Dracula" But that is one of the few things I have liked of The Batman. I like TAS, the redo with Superman, and Justice League better.

[TwilightPro101]

Batman Begins without question.

[LexCorp]

I think some people are short changing The Batman. It wasn't great but it wasn't horrible. It just doesn't appeal to us as much as to its target audience: i.e. kids. I enjoyed some of it, especially Batman vs. Dracula. That was surprisingly good.

It was horrible...

[Super_Ludacris]

Its just random to compare a grown up blockbuster to a kids cartoon...

[Mr. Socko]

If this was a poll, I wonder how many would have voted for The Batman...

[Lead Cenobite]

I bet you want something like Adam West version of Batman on big screen, oh wait it did it was called Batman and Robin (1997) rent it.

Hah, even before that, or have you never heard of Batman: The Movie starring ADAM WEST?

Why is it that everyone assumes that when someone says they want a Batman that's not so serious that they want an outright goofyass parody?

[Mr. Socko]

Because it's always either outright goofy ass parody Batman or serious kickass Batman

You only got 2 choices.

[COMPO]

I hated Joker version of The Batman, he looked a freak without shoes.

I know. I BET HE HAD A VERUCCA

[bdsproductions]

Hi!

This is a thread to compare the reboot of the Batman movies with the reboot of the Batman cartoon series.

So, which one do you like the most:

-"Batman Begins" Batman or "The Batman" Batman?

-"Batman Begins" Alfred Pennyworth or "The Batman" Alfred Pennyworth?

-"Batman Begins" James Gordon or "The Batman" James Gordon?

-Begins

-Caine by a wee bit

-Begins but theres is relativley good

i proably am the one none hater of the show...not as good as TAs but still fun.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Batman Begins pwns EVERYTHING EVER MADE BY ANYONE EVER. EVER.

[El Payaso]

http://www.florencewelcome.com/musei/foto-musei/david-michelangelo-p.jpg

No.
P'wnd.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

...................

[Atomic Crusader]

"The Batman" cartoon is way over the top. Rasta Joker, for kids, really? And Superman has a kid? Come again?...oops, wrong thread. Rasta Joker, ninja Batman, no. 'Begins wins again. How'd ya do it Nolan?

[Bathead]

Why do people insist on calling the Joker in this show either Rasta Joker or Jamaican Joker? Those aren't dreadlocks he's sporting, folks, it's just really long and unkempt hair. No doubt meant to make him look even more of a maniac along with the red eyes and bare feet. I really don't think this or any of the other character redesigns are all that out of line. They're not much worse than the liberties taken in any of the movies.

[Two-Face]

Why do people insist on calling the Joker in this show either Rasta Joker or Jamaican Joker? Those aren't dreadlocks he's sporting, folks, it's just really long and unkempt hair. No doubt meant to make him look even more of a maniac along with the red eyes and bare feet. I really don't think this or any of the other character redesigns are all that out of line. They're not much worse than the liberties taken in any of the movies.


Because it sucks?:down :confused:

[bdsproductions]

well,The Batman is a pretty good show now,re-designs can be fun,it's not Jokers hair i don't like.but seriousley,can't the dude at least wear shoes?.

if i had designed him he would have had dark longish green hair a black trenchcoat.

[Bathead]

Because it sucks?:down :confused:

No, it doesn't "suck".

[Two-Face]

No, it doesn't "suck".

Yes it does, Joker in The Batman sucks no not just Joker everything sucks in that show.

[Bathead]

That's your opinion. I like it just fine and don't think the shows as bad as some seem to think. Funny thing is, the basic reason given 90% of the time that The Batman "sucks" is because it's not BTAS, by a bunch of fans who would rather live in the past and not judge the show on it's own merits. IS it as good as BTAS? By no means. Is it the worst animated Batman ever? No, And I challenge anyone to watch the old Filmation and Hanna-Barbera versions and tell me that with a straight face

[greenlantern530]

Batman begins everything sense I hate the batman and all it stands for.

word is bond.

[Sam_298]

Batman Begins to me is the best movie ever :D I just love it...but The Batman is an awesome TV show, I feel that they've used elements from Begins to fuel it up. The way they've remade the charcters origins(villians mainly) is awesome, the animation style is cool, they even have Batgirl ;) and soon Robin. The only problem is that they've over-exagerrated the Joker's design. Still Batman Begins rules all!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The Batman cartoon is just the symbol of what cartoons have become this day and age. Dumbbed down, inconistent, very flashy with no actual substance....with no real space for adults to enjoy it. That's what it really is. Most cartoons have become that. Add to the fact that the Magna/anime style has had a major influence in animation in the past 5 years.....and you get a rather odd Japanese-copy cat-American type thing. And the visuals are great, no doubt. It's the best thing about the show. The rest though....meh.