Has anybody changed their mind about the "Iron Spidey" suit?

[Chris Wallace]

This is the absolute very last thread I'm opening on the suit. Ever. I promise.:spidey:

[Red X]

When I first saw it I hated it. Then I saw another picture and I actually started to like it, the design was great...I realised shortly after I was looking at the symbiot suit.

[Electro UK]

Hated it at 1st sight... then saw 3 big metal arms come out of it... and hated it even more.

[shinlyle]

Well....I thought it looked absolutely stupid and ugly when I saw the first pic of it online.

Now, I see it in action, and I think it is ugly and pointless. He "glides" as fast as Iron man can fly? Puh-leez.

This suit is the worst Spidey suit ever. The Amazing Bag-Man is better than this crapola.

[Happenstance]

Hated it when I first saw it, hoped the stupid extra arm things were just part of that pic. They werent. Still hate it now.

[Dangerous]

Hate and more hate.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Hate the suit! Hate the suit!

I thought it was a joke at first, than thought the extra arms were retarded, than though gliding was extremely stupid (more so when people kept saying certain species of Spiders glide :rolleyes:) I hate how pointless it is and I hate how once again Joey Q changes his mind based on popular opinion. PAD's hardon for the suit and the new powers doesn't help the situation either

[ScottishFogg]

seeing how it's being used, especially with its ability to change its appearance, actually gave me hope. using this suit, Spidey could be elevated to Superman-like levels, which i think he deserves (more than Captain America). him teaming up with Daredevil has always reminded me of when Superman teamed up with Batman, so i've always kinda compared the two.

i like what it can do a lot more than the way it looks. so if "morphs" back to the traditional costume but keeps this suits abilities (except gliding, that looks rediculous with his arms and legs outstretched like some flying squirrel), i'd be pretty happy, methinks.

[Chris Wallace]

1 thing Spidey is never supposed to have is "Superman-level" powers. The only thing he should ever have in common w/Supes is the color scheme. As for comparing Cap to Superman, all I can say is "Huh?"

[Dangerous]

I just want Spider-man to have the regular Spider-man powers he had before he ever ran into the Queen, is that too much to ask?

[PWN3R]

I was confused when eveyone was complaining. At first I kinda liked it. I guess I still do in a way, but it does not even matter. We all know Spidey will be back in his regular get up before long anyways....

[SouLeSS]

I never really hated the suit. I mean, I don't see a reason to have it persae, but it would make for a badass villian, if someone were to get ahold of it.

[Happenstance]

I was confused when eveyone was complaining. At first I kinda liked it. I guess I still do in a way, but it does not even matter. We all know Spidey will be back in his regular get up before long anyways....

I dont know about everyone else but for me the amount of complaining I did was due to the rest of the crap that had just happened. If we didnt have the stupid stingers and change of origin to Spider God crap I would have carried on buying Spider-Man as I do know the new costume wont last.

[PWN3R]

Yeah see before that, I had dropped Amazing Spider-man. #529 being the new costume and civil war tie in, I caved in.


I gave into Marvel's tricks...:(

[Happenstance]

Im amazed I have bought any Spidey comics apart from USM since the other, I dont really like having gaps in my collection but its the only way to get through to Marvel

[OtepApe]

Hate isn't a strong enough word to convey the feelings I have on this suit.

[Doc Destruction]

Hell no...it's so painfully bad I can't even bring myself to laugh at it.

[Themanofbat]

The suit was "blech" to me since day one, and since I know it's only temporary, it's still "blech" to me now... though it's even more "blechier" with those damn octopus tentacles or whatever the #@#$@ they are...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:(

[Flonk]

When I first saw it, I was all like "what the ****?" But it's grown on me. The issue where they introduced it was pretty good. Spidey going out and stopping car jackers, just like the old days.

And besides, I'd be very suprised if this suit lasts past Civil War, so I say just sit back and enjoy the ride.

But the leg/tenticle/waldo things are stupid.


And I like the Spider spats.

[CConn]

It looks better than it did at first simply because the quality level of the art is better, but with that said the design itself is still entirely mediocre. Not the worst Spidey suit ever, but certainly not the best.

[MaxCarnage]

Hated it then, hate it even more now that I've seen it in action.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Indeed,my feelings about it has not changed.I still hate it.Poor design.Hype,no bite.

[LarryLegend]

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I still dislike it.

[Chris Wallace]

The first time I actually saw it was in Game Informer, & I hoped like hell they were kidding.

[Red X]

It looks better than it did at first simply because the quality level of the art is better, but with that said the design itself is still entirely mediocre. Not the worst Spidey suit ever, but certainly not the best.

That title remains firmly with Spidey 2099.

[Erundur]

I've hated it then and I still hate it now, and I'm not too happy with what's going on currently in the spidey-verse, so I've personally taken a short (hopefully) hiatus from the spidey books.

[shinlyle]

I've hated it then and I still hate it now, and I'm not too happy with what's going on currently in the spidey-verse, so I've personally taken a short (hopefully) hiatus from the spidey books.

Well, as of right now, I've dropped ASM, and, thanks to the return of Uncle Ben, I'll probably be dropping FNSM within the next week or so. So, I'm down to Sensational Spider-Man (and Ultimate).


It looks like things won't be getting better until Jeph Loeb and J. Scott Campbell show up next year.

Then again, I said that about PAD and 'Ringo showing up on FNSM, too....so It may not help at all.:(

[Norman Osborn]

Well, as of right now, I've dropped ASM, and, thanks to the return of Uncle Ben, I'll probably be dropping FNSM within the next week or so. So, I'm down to Sensational Spider-Man (and Ultimate).


It looks like things won't be getting better until Jeph Loeb and J. Scott Campbell show up next year.

Then again, I said that about PAD and 'Ringo showing up on FNSM, too....so It may not help at all.:(

I'm guessing we still don't know what current (assuming it is a current title) they'll be taking over?....

as for getting hopes up, Loeb wrote Spiderman Blue....nuff said!! (Ps....in case I was being vague....writing Spidey Blue is a "GOOD" thing):up: :)

[Chris Wallace]

That title remains firmly with Spidey 2099.
I disagree; Spidey Unlimited was far worse than 2099.

[shinlyle]

I disagree; Spidey Unlimited was far worse than 2099.

Spidey 2099's costume owned. It's my third favorite (behind the classic red & blues and the Black costume, of course).

The worst costume was the one Peter made out of trash bags and such during the Mackie/Byrne run. It was truly horrendous. It's even worse than Spidey Unlimited, which is still better than Iron Spidey.

[Chris Wallace]

2099 had a cape, & apart from the web-like look of said cape, looked nothing like Spider-Man.

[shinlyle]

2099 had a cape, & apart from the web-like look of said cape, looked nothing like Spider-Man.

See...I was cool with that because it WASN'T Spider-Man. It was a new Spider-Man. That, and I liked the design. I always thought the death's head emblem on the chest was bad-ass.

[Chris Wallace]

To each his own.

[Trevor Goodchild]

When I saw it for the very first time I didn't know what to think of it.
My opinion may be more taste driven and based on the design for I haven’t been exposed to the latest SM titles yet, which from I heard are still dreadful of course. Anyways, at first I thought the design it self was fine but seeing a screenshot with Spidey and Iron Man flying around side by side made me understand that it is not very original.

[KingOfDreams]

Overall, I still don't like it. I can tolerate it when the tentacle/leg things aren't out, though. Those are the worst part. And it did look kind of cool on the cover of that first ASM "Road to Civil War" issue and I did see a preview panel from the Civil War mini on Newsarama where it looked decent. So basically, I still don't like the design but the right artist can make anything look good.

[32CAGE]

Iron Spidey still rocks

[Chris Wallace]

When I saw it for the very first time I didn't know what to think of it.
My opinion may be more taste driven and based on the design for I haven’t been exposed to the latest SM titles yet, which from I heard are still dreadful of course. Anyways, at first I thought the design it self was fine but seeing a screenshot with Spidey and Iron Man flying around side by side made me understand that it is not very original.
Iron Man made the suit. Your last sentence, however, supports my biggest argument against it; what do you call a young hero, who works very closely w/an older hero, takes orders from him & wears the same colors?

[shinlyle]

Iron Spidey still rocks

Yeah....I especially love how he flails around in the air "gliding" like a drunken butterfly....so cool. And the design...totally awesome and not cheap-looking at all! I also love how he doesn't look like a Doc Ock rip-off at ALL with those metal arms and such!

[UK_Stu]

hated it the first time, still hate it

[Chris Wallace]

So right now we've got 11 who dig it & 34 who don't.

[shinlyle]

So right now we've got 11 who dig it & 34 who don't.

Blatantly one-sided, isn't it? Over a third of the people here hate it, and the one third who like it won't speak up in favor of it, aside from a select few....so I guess the ones who like it don't like it too much, huh? :D

[Chris Wallace]

Pretty much.

[Dyeathrose]

Hate is a bit of a strong word for me, but the closest answer on there. I wasn't impressed when I first saw the initial sketches, and after seeing it in action, though the artists are good, I'm still not very impressed with the suit at all. For me, it was a novelty to begin with.

[CConn]

That title remains firmly with Spidey 2099.Nah. Cosmic Spider-Man (or whatever that was called) was the worst, IMO.
Blatantly one-sided, isn't it? Over a third of the people here hate it, and the one third who like it won't speak up in favor of it, aside from a select few....so I guess the ones who like it don't like it too much, huh? :DOr because they're afraid of being beaten down by your masterful sarcasm.

[Miss Webb]

I personally wish spidey would wear the Spiderman Unlimited costume.

Iron Spidey?
Ugly spats, unecessary over design.
Too shiny.
Chest logo TOO big.

[The Joker]

I liked it then, I like it now...then again, I think Azraels Batman suit from Nightfall was the best Batman costume ever, so I'm obviously not a traditionalist or anything...I dont see why everyone is so mad about it either, Spidey is on the cover of Civil War with his classic suit, so this one is obviously only going to be around for an arc or two, and is probably going to be used as a plot point in Civil War...just enjoy it as what it is, a temporary thing.

[spider greg]

ummmmmmm..................................(as any true fanboy would say)
THE SUIT SUCKS!

For all the reasons already mentioned.

[MaxCarnage]

I dont see why everyone is so mad about it either, Spidey is on the cover of Civil War with his classic suit, so this one is obviously only going to be around for an arc or two, and is probably going to be used as a plot point in Civil War...just enjoy it as what it is, a temporary thing.

Is Marvel handing out talking-points for people who like the suit?

Regardless of how temporary it is, it was out-of-character for Peter to accept the suit in the first place. The situation that led to him getting the suit was poorly conceived and poorly executed. The Civil War story arch has so far been a disappointment, with Peter so mis-characterized that no one who's followed Spider-Man for any amount of time would recognize him. This suit is a symptom of a larger problem, so saying that it's a plot-point and to sit back and enjoy the ride is not an option because the plot itself is flawed.

EDIT: The Azrael suit from Knightfall wasn't so bad as part of the plot, but it would have sucked if Batman had kept it beyond that arch.

[shinlyle]

Or because they're afraid of being beaten down by your masterful sarcasm.

:O
Aww...you can read me like a book!!!

[The Joker]

Is Marvel handing out talking-points for people who like the suit?

Regardless of how temporary it is, it was out-of-character for Peter to accept the suit in the first place. The situation that led to him getting the suit was poorly conceived and poorly executed. The Civil War story arch has so far been a disappointment, with Peter so mis-characterized that no one who's followed Spider-Man for any amount of time would recognize him. This suit is a symptom of a larger problem, so saying that it's a plot-point and to sit back and enjoy the ride is not an option because the plot itself is flawed.

EDIT: The Azrael suit from Knightfall wasn't so bad as part of the plot, but it would have sucked if Batman had kept it beyond that arch.

how was it out of character for him to accept the suit? it's like if you were driving around a car you've had for 10 years, nothings wrong with it, but it isnt exactly state of the art, and then one of your friends came up and said "hey, here's a free new car with all the newest things, and also some things that other cars dont have yet either, like it runs on water!"...who the hell would say no to that? that's essentially what tony offered peter.

I really think people just like b**ching...I mean really, everyone complains and complains and complains, but do they do anything about it? no, they continue to buy everything...if you don't like what's going on with spider-man, or anything for that matter, just stop reading it...it's not that hard. I didn't like the first issue of Redinald whats-his-faces run on MK spider-man, so instead of coming here and b**ching about it, I just stopped buying it, and guess what, problem solved. And if all these things really upset you that much, not only do you stop buying it, but voice these concerns you have directly to marvel, not annonymously on a message board that no one who makes any decisions cares about...christ...

[Doc Destruction]

I think YOU just like b****ing about people b****ing.

If we think the suit sucks, we're going to say it sucks. If you don't like reading people's opinions that differ from yours, why the hell read these forums in the first place?

I HAVE stopped reading all Spidey books. But someone asked the question, so I answered it. The end.

[shinlyle]

I suppose that people should only post on message boards if they are going to post positive things....happy flowers and gum-drop smiles and such, right? That's what the internet is all about, right?

Uh-huh.

It's funny how the people who don't like something are always told that they shouldn't speak, but when we say somethign like that to the people who like something, we're all evil bastards.

Oh....the irony....:rollyeyes:

[Chris Wallace]

I liked it then, I like it now...then again, I think Azraels Batman suit from Nightfall was the best Batman costume ever, so I'm obviously not a traditionalist or anything...I dont see why everyone is so mad about it either, Spidey is on the cover of Civil War with his classic suit, so this one is obviously only going to be around for an arc or two, and is probably going to be used as a plot point in Civil War...just enjoy it as what it is, a temporary thing.
I/We would, if it were enjoyable. But it's hideous! It's the worst design I've ever seen, & it can't go away soon enough.
And I'm all for a revamp if I like it. I happened to like the Ben Reilly & even the Scarlet Spider designs. I liked AzBats at the time. But this look is just terrible. The functions are stupid. It's not what I read Spider-Man for. When I want impossible gadgets, that's when I read Iron Man.

[MaxCarnage]

I really think people just like b**ching...I mean really, everyone complains and complains and complains, but do they do anything about it? no, they continue to buy everything...if you don't like what's going on with spider-man, or anything for that matter, just stop reading it...it's not that hard. I didn't like the first issue of Redinald whats-his-faces run on MK spider-man, so instead of coming here and b**ching about it, I just stopped buying it, and guess what, problem solved. And if all these things really upset you that much, not only do you stop buying it, but voice these concerns you have directly to marvel, not annonymously on a message board that no one who makes any decisions cares about...christ...

I canceled my sub to ASM and sent an email to Marvel and JMS expressing my disatisfaction with the way Spider-Man was being handled and the changes to the character, both of which I posted here on the message board as well. Since I did the things that you felt were required of me, do I get a pass to ***** now?

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not dropping the books b/c I hate to have gaps in my collection & I still love the character. I've done everything else. But when a bad idea comes my way I'm going to voice my opinion.

[Flonk]

Is Marvel handing out talking-points for people who like the suit?

Regardless of how temporary it is, it was out-of-character for Peter to accept the suit in the first place. The situation that led to him getting the suit was poorly conceived and poorly executed. The Civil War story arch has so far been a disappointment, with Peter so mis-characterized that no one who's followed Spider-Man for any amount of time would recognize him. This suit is a symptom of a larger problem, so saying that it's a plot-point and to sit back and enjoy the ride is not an option because the plot itself is flawed.

EDIT: The Azrael suit from Knightfall wasn't so bad as part of the plot, but it would have sucked if Batman had kept it beyond that arch.

How so?

[Flonk]

I/We would, if it were enjoyable. But it's hideous! It's the worst design I've ever seen, & it can't go away soon enough.
And I'm all for a revamp if I like it. I happened to like the Ben Reilly & even the Scarlet Spider designs. I liked AzBats at the time. But this look is just terrible. The functions are stupid. It's not what I read Spider-Man for. When I want impossible gadgets, that's when I read Iron Man.

Impossible gadgets like say.....webshooters? Spider tracers? ;)

[Chris Wallace]

Neither of which are in use right now. :P

[Flonk]

Neither of which are in use right now. :P

The tracers are. He used them in the Hydra story in ASM, and to trace Tracer in FNSM. OMG! PWN3D!

[Chris Wallace]

In any event, at least those were his; you'd think he wouldn't even WANT mechanical legs sprouting out of his back. You would think he wouldn't be so quick to jump into a costume made by somebody else; somebody who knows nothing about him & is just going off of what HE thinks works best, based on HIS needs. You'd think he'd frown on the camouflage & mental command functions, if for no other reason than they remind him of the symbiote.

[co2]

I saw that Iron Suit you speak of.....That's why I ignore the current continuity line. It would irritate me.

[Chris Wallace]

Judging by your avatar, nobody wants that.

[Nebins]

I feel "meh" about it. Was "meh" in the begining and "meh" now.

[MaxCarnage]

How so?

This debate has been had and re-had. I don't feel like going through it again. Suffice to say that most of the people here agree with me.

[TwilightPro101]

Let's just get back to the reds and blues.

[Morg]

OK, enough with the cuss words, can't bedate without swearing then I'll close this thread

[The Joker]

I canceled my sub to ASM and sent an email to Marvel and JMS expressing my disatisfaction with the way Spider-Man was being handled and the changes to the character, both of which I posted here on the message board as well. Since I did the things that you felt were required of me, do I get a pass to ***** now?

at least you're doing something about your distain for it, which is alot more than most people can say...they whine about everything, then just keep buying more of it, like sheep, and then wonder why I find it very very hard to take them seriously...

[daveswb]

I don't understand why the comicbook companies do no learn from thier mistakes.

They always try to do major chnage to characters and they alway tick off the die hard fans and they always end up back to the origional. Why keep doing it?

And they've have already tried to change spidey a couple times. Black costume, clone saga, spidey was framed for a cime and kept changing his identity. I'm sure there are more.

Point is this is one of the worst changes yet so I don't think it will be too long before he's at leas back in the old blue and red.

[Chris Wallace]

You forgot "Chapter One"...ugh.
It wasn't lost on me that after all the revamps & drastic redesigns of the '90s, by 2001 almost every major character was either back in his/her original duds or a close facsimile.
Yes, so it will be w/this red & gold monstrosity. Truth be told, I do understand that when comics ompanies feel that their stories/characters have become stagnant, naturally the answer should be to try something new. But then when they change it the fans rebel. What they fail to realize is they're trying to fix what isn't broken.

[Chris Wallace]

at least you're doing something about your distain for it, which is alot more than most people can say...they whine about everything, then just keep buying more of it, like sheep, and then wonder why I find it very very hard to take them seriously...
I can understand that to a point; I mean, if I hear a song I don't like I don't buy the CD. If I see Lindsay Lohan on TV I change the channel. And I generally frown on protesting something you don't like because 1-it draws attention to it & 2-you're putting time into it. Reminds me of a t-shirt I once saw that read "Spear Britney". I thought it was funny but at the same time, if you pay money to wear something for the purpose of defaming someone, you can't hate them all that much.
But I digress. This is tampering with something that many of us have loved for years, & we're making our outrage known.

[MaxCarnage]

You know, I do kind of sympathize with Marvel to a degree. We live in a time where media is changing and evolving so rapidly that it's hard to keep up. Comic books have been a pretty stagnant medium since birth. There's not much more to a comic than images with word bubbles. Online comics are nice, but again it's more of the same. In a world where it's easier for me to download an episode of Lost to my iPod than it is to stop by a comics shop to buy the latest issue of Spider-Man, I can see why Marvel would feel a need to try and keep things fresh and exciting. The problem ultimately lies in the execution, and Marvel just hasn't gotten it right. They fear that if they cater to the older, more loyal fans that they will scare away new readers.

It's a tough situation, and I do sympathize. I just think that the way they're doing it is foolish. In my opinion, if they would stick to what worked in the past, the new readers would come, maybe slower than Marvel would like, but it's better than pissing off all of us older readers.

[Flonk]

This debate has been had and re-had. I don't feel like going through it again. Suffice to say that most of the people here agree with me.

Not trying to pick a fight, just curious is all. Off to the Search button I go!

[SpideyInATree]

I didn't like the first sketch I saw of it. I think Chris Bachalo did the first released sketch and it looked like a 10 year old kid drew it. :o

But when I saw Hitch's version of it...it was pretty cool. I like the suit and the storyline it's involved with.

Knowing that it's merely temporary adds to it as well. Even if it wasn't known that it was a temp suit I'd figure it was. When it comes to classic characters it's always best to stick with the original in the end. Like Daredevil. Like Superman. Like Batman. And you get the rest.

It's something different and it's coming at a time in Spidey's life where change is his best friend. Seems there is a change to him every five minutes. But it's always cool to see him in a different suit and have different capabilities available to him. He's still web swinging. He's still the same Peter Parker under the suit. That's really all that matters.

[Kal-El 8]

This pic is really cool.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/CIVILWAR-03cov-Variant.jpg

[Orko Is King]

Option 1 for me.

[Dragon]

This pic is really cool.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/CIVILWAR-03cov-Variant.jpg

Who the hell is that? :rolleyes:

[Nebins]

Cool pic but his thighs look huge

[Visionary]

I know Marvel hasn't changed their mind. :O

[Flonk]

This pic is really cool.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/millar/CIVILWAR-03cov-Variant.jpg

I hate Turner, but I gotta admit that's nice.

[Trevor Goodchild]

Yeah, it all looks very cool.
But the spirit of Spider-Man is not about being so powerful and cool, it’s about being average.

[Miss Webb]

Who the hell is that? :rolleyes:


It's DOPPLEGANGER!!!! :)

[Miss Webb]

Cool pic but his thighs look huge


Fat man thighs are always a plus. :supes:

[Chris Wallace]

I'm reminded of what the haters of the movies like to call them; you know, "Man-Spider".

[MaxCarnage]

I'm sorry; as cool as that picture could have been, with the red-and-gold it just looks goofy to me.

[shinlyle]

Man...if that pic featured Spidey in the Red & Blues, it would be awesome. As it is, Iron-Spat-Spidey just doesn't do it for me.

[MaxCarnage]

Looking at it again, I just realized too that those legs are ridiculously huge and could never be "hidden" in the costume. It's just too implausible for me to even take seriously.

[Chris Wallace]

Hmmm-I don't know about that. When I think about the endless supply of toys Batman manages to keep in his belt, or the fact that Superman can somehow hide a cape & boots underneath his civvies, or ANY of the things Iron Man's suit can do with just a mental command, suspension of disbelief is pretty much a way of life for comic book fans.
Come to think of it, hasn't Doc Ock hidden his arms underneath a trenchcoat on many an occasion?

[MaxCarnage]

Hmmm-I don't know about that. When I think about the endless supply of toys Batman manages to keep in his belt, or the fact that Superman can somehow hide a cape & boots underneath his civvies, or ANY of the things Iron Man's suit can do with just a mental command, suspension of disbelief is pretty much a way of life for comic book fans.
Come to think of it, hasn't Doc Ock hidden his arms underneath a trenchcoat on many an occasion?

It's one thing when you have a cape or trenchcoat. I can suspend disbelief somewhat for that. But Spider-Man has a skin-tight outfit on that these legs supposedly close up into. So well, in fact, that Pete didn't even know they were there until Tony told him.

The Superman thing...I don't follow the comics that closely, but I never really thought of that.

[shinlyle]

Okay...I'm bumoing this one to the front page to counter yet ANOTHER useless Iron Spidey thread.

These numbers seem to be the most accurate....so, to all the noobs who wnat to know what the board thinks of the suit, HERE IT IS!

[Calvin]

I still think it looks ridiculous.

[not_a_victim]

One(of the many) things I have a problem wrapping my head around is the fact that it has 3 mechanical legs/things. There's no balance there. It should have been 2,4,6, or whatever.

[shinlyle]

The thing I dread the most about all of this is, just like other asanine costumes from the past, 6 years from now, there will be people talking about how Marvel should have kept this suit.

It happened with the Scarlet Spider costume, the Ben Reilly Spider-Man costume (which wasn't bad), and it'll happen with this.

Rest assured, these 17 people who voted that they like it will be a perpetual thorn in the side of all of us for a long time.

Watch, when "Civil War" is over, there will be a "Who wantz teh Iron sPidy soot Bakc" thread.....retards.

[Happenstance]

Yep I expect we will. Those 17 people will be going on about how great the mechanical arms were and how much Spidey needs them :S

[Chris Wallace]

The thing I dread the most about all of this is, just like other asanine costumes from the past, 6 years from now, there will be people talking about how Marvel should have kept this suit.

It happened with the Scarlet Spider costume, the Ben Reilly Spider-Man costume (which wasn't bad), and it'll happen with this.

Rest assured, these 17 people who voted that they like it will be a perpetual thorn in the side of all of us for a long time.

Watch, when "Civil War" is over, there will be a "Who wantz teh Iron sPidy soot Bakc" thread.....retards.
Why's it gotta be someone who can't spell, huh?:spidey:

[Chris Wallace]

And I move that from here on out we refer to this monstrosity as "the sidekick suit".

[shinlyle]

Why's it gotta be someone who can't spell, huh?:spidey:

Well....no one in favor of this asanine suit or the ridiculous changes in Spider-Man over the past few years seems incapable of correct spelling, grammer, or punctuation in any of their posts. I figured I'd try to accurately represent what we have to look forward to.:(

And I move that from here on out we refer to this monstrosity as "the sidekick suit".

I like it. It's alot more P.C. than calling it "that piece of s***", as I've been doing. I got a few angry PMs from some actual turds who didn't like being lumped in with that costume.

So, the "Sidekick Suit", it shall be,:up:

[Chris Wallace]

I'll take that as a second.
"The Sidekick Suit", b/c that's what you call a young hero who follows an older hero, takes orders from him, & wears the same colors he does, right?
And I know why you spelled it like that; but that was just wrong.

[Calvin]

One(of the many) things I have a problem wrapping my head around is the fact that it has 3 mechanical legs/things. There's no balance there. It should have been 2,4,6, or whatever.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like they thought it through much even on a logistical basis.

[Chris Wallace]

I Never Even Knew It Was 3 Until You Guys Said It; I Never Bothered To Look.

[3dman27]

And I move that from here on out we refer to this monstrosity as "the sidekick suit".
MOTION SECONDED

[Chris Wallace]

The Motion Is Passed.

[shinlyle]

Yeah....and "that piece of s***" applies to too many other things right now...

1) "The Other"
2) "Sins Past"
3) Joe Q.
4) JMS
5) Uncle Ben's return
6) House of M
7) All Star Batman & Robin #1
8 ) All Star Batman & Robin #2
9) All Star Batman & Robin #3

It's good to take one off of the list!:up:

[roach]

hey...I like ASB&R

[shinlyle]

hey...I like ASB&R

Sorry...Well, that makes only one thing I haven't agreed with you on thus far.

So long as you don't start preaching to me that the return of Jason Todd is the greatest thing to happen to Batman in years, I see no reason why we can't still get along.

And even if you do, I have no problem with that either. My beef right now is with the morons in charge of Spider-Man. DC takes care of their own (well, accept for Leslie Thompkins)....Marvel could learn from them.

[roach]

agreed. I have been reading DC for a while now...around the time of Identity Crisis and for the life of me I cannot recall the name of DC's EIC(Dido I think). I know he has a monthly page in the DC books but I dont know his name...why?????
....Because he let's the creators and writers do their jobs.

[roach]

oooooh maybe the suit gets stolen and after several modifications it becomes the new Scorpion

[Happenstance]

I would actually like to see someone get their hands on the suit, no modifications to it though. Just so we can see normal Spidey end up beating the crap out of it!

[roach]

kind of like when Godzilla beat up Zilla in the last Godzilla movie

[3dman27]

I would actually like to see someone get their hands on the suit, no modifications to it though. Just so we can see normal Spidey end up beating the crap out of it!
OH YEA OH YEA

[Happenstance]

The only problem behind the idea of someone getting their hands on it is that you just know it will either be Norman Osborn wearing it or behind giving it to someone!

[roach]

i'd make it Frederick Foswell...no one would see it coming...no one

[Happenstance]

A brainwashed Baby May perhaps :p

[shinlyle]

I would actually like to see someone get their hands on the suit, no modifications to it though. Just so we can see normal Spidey end up beating the crap out of it!

HA!! I can just hear the screams of protest as the 17 people who like the suit complain about how Spdiey shouldn't be able to beat the suit! Ah! The thought of their tears sustains me!!!

[Happenstance]

I can just see Spidey ripping off the extra arms and beating the costume with them :p

[shinlyle]

I can just see Spidey ripping off the extra arms and beating the costume with them :p

heheee....

Spider-Man: "Quit hittin' yourself! Quit hittin' yourself!"

Sidekick Suit: "Stop it! Just stop it!"

Spider-Man: "I'm not doing it, you are!"

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah....and "that piece of s***" applies to too many other things right now...

1) "The Other"
2) "Sins Past"
3) Joe Q.
4) JMS
5) Uncle Ben's return
6) House of M
7) All Star Batman & Robin #1
8 ) All Star Batman & Robin #2
9) All Star Batman & Robin #3

It's good to take one off of the list!:up:I liked House Of M. Maybe not the ending & I'm not thrilled w/the repercussions and Spidey wore yet enother horrendous eyesore of a costume-but it was a fun read.

[shinlyle]

Hey, I just noticed that 70% of the people who've voted hate the suit. I also noticed that, of the other 30%, only about 5 people have spoken up about why they like the suit. The rest have voted and ran.

It's almost as if the fight is over....almost like they've...given up...


:D

[TwilightPro101]

Probably the most forced plot device ever :)

[Chris Wallace]

Thrown in the towel. Abandoned their sad little masquerade.

[Calvin]

Yeah....and "that piece of s***" applies to too many other things right now...

1) "The Other"
2) "Sins Past"
3) Joe Q.
4) JMS
5) Uncle Ben's return
6) House of M
7) All Star Batman & Robin #1
8 ) All Star Batman & Robin #2
9) All Star Batman & Robin #3

It's good to take one off of the list!:up:
Wait, what the hell? I've been away from comics for a while, they brought Uncle Ben back? Are you f'king serious?

[3dman27]

they couls use the sidekick suit design as a T-SHIRT for mj

[roach]

Wait, what the hell? I've been away from comics for a while, they brought Uncle Ben back? Are you f'king serious?

yeah I saw that

[Chris Wallace]

Aunt May saw him while on a date w/Jarvis.

[shinlyle]

Wait, what the hell? I've been away from comics for a while, they brought Uncle Ben back? Are you f'king serious?

Yup. It's why I've dropped Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man from my pull list.

It's actually the Uncle Ben from an alternate timeline that fell down the basement stairs and died on the night Uncle Ben was supposed to be shot.

Yeah....it's probably the dumbest thing to happen since Spider-Man stabbed a guy through the arms with his bone claws and ate his face, and possibly, his soul. He killed the guy. Spider-Man. Killed the guy. By eating his face. After stabbing him with Wolverine-style bone-claws which he's supposedly had all along, yet, we've never seen them.

'Tis a dark time for the Spider-Man comics....I mean, look at the costume he's wearing right now.:(

[Chris Wallace]

That's As Bad As The Way They Brought Jason Todd Back. But Fear Not-a Year From Now They're Gonna Strip Away All The Nonsense & Try To Get Back To Basics. They Don't Want This Convoluted Crap On The Racks When There's A New Movie To Promote.

[IronSpidy]

Always have...always will.

[Chris Wallace]

I think the majority of those who defend the suit are taken by the novelty of it; I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

[SpyderDan]

The only instance in which I liked the suit is Michael Turner's variant cover for Civil War #3. It looks really great when he does it. But of course, I'd still prefer the classic look.

[3dman27]

i'm waiting for a poster to draw a gag cover of the amazing spider-man prefaced with the phrase the invicible iron man's sidekick and spidey saying "OK OK now jm's and bendis have gone TOO FAR!!"

[SpyderDan]

Here's something I really don't understand. He's got the mechanical arms, right? Well...why does he only have three of them? Why didn't they give him four mechanical arms so that all his limbs add up to 8 legs like a real spider? That in particular seems half-assed.

[Chris Wallace]

You & about a half-dozen others here. Again, I never noticed b/c the bodysuit was so ugly, why look beyond it?

[SpideyInATree]

Knowing that this costume is merely temporary...helps make it all the easier. Knowing that the costume is but a catalyst in bonding Tony Stark and Peter Parker...and with the incoming Civil War miniseries next week...will make things a little more emotional for Peter.

I enjoy the costume, not necessarily by the look, but under the circumstances. Marvel is doing something with Spider-Man instead of "Sandman is on the loose, he's a bad guy again, Spidey must stop Sandman, but Sandman has some kind of extra super sand power now, Spidey must use his intelligence and science skills to stop Sandman's new skill, Pete does...because he's great...and that's the end of the arc. In between MJ cried a bunch about being the wife of Spidey. Aunt May made wheat cakes"

Spider-Man is on the Avengers now. He's part of a team of fellow superheroes now. It only made sense for them to hook him up with a suit that gave him a little extra protection...and who better to build it then Tony F'n Stark. It's Red and Yellow...well, Tony Stark is that much of a freak to do that. It also helps create a rift already between the two. I noticed it when Pete first tried it on.

I like the suit. It's a break and gives us a breather from the same old, same old.

Besides...no one will be talking about new suits, powers, and stingers once Civil War comes out. Soon the anger, hatred, and insanity will be directed toward Spider-Man revealing his identity to the world and Peter Parker will be outted. Then JMS/Quesada will do their big winter Spidey event which, from what I gathered from the articles I've read, are apparently going to fix up Spidey continuity. Then Loeb/Campbell will come onto the ongoing Spidey title scene. And from what I've read in Wizard sounds really interesting and fun.

I'm looking forward to the impending events coming toward Peter Parker. And if Mary Jane happens to get offed in between all of this...then the Comic Book Gods are truly watching over me. :)

[deemar325]

I still hate it.

That will never change.

:mad:

[JewishHobbit]

I liked it then and like it now, but I don't think I want to see it last too long. I think it's good now, but that it needs to go after Civil War.

[Flonk]

Knowing that this costume is merely temporary...helps make it all the easier. Knowing that the costume is but a catalyst in bonding Tony Stark and Peter Parker...and with the incoming Civil War miniseries next week...will make things a little more emotional for Peter.

I enjoy the costume, not necessarily by the look, but under the circumstances. Marvel is doing something with Spider-Man instead of "Sandman is on the loose, he's a bad guy again, Spidey must stop Sandman, but Sandman has some kind of extra super sand power now, Spidey must use his intelligence and science skills to stop Sandman's new skill, Pete does...because he's great...and that's the end of the arc. In between MJ cried a bunch about being the wife of Spidey. Aunt May made wheat cakes"

Spider-Man is on the Avengers now. He's part of a team of fellow superheroes now. It only made sense for them to hook him up with a suit that gave him a little extra protection...and who better to build it then Tony F'n Stark. It's Red and Yellow...well, Tony Stark is that much of a freak to do that. It also helps create a rift already between the two. I noticed it when Pete first tried it on.

I like the suit. It's a break and gives us a breather from the same old, same old.

Besides...no one will be talking about new suits, powers, and stingers once Civil War comes out. Soon the anger, hatred, and insanity will be directed toward Spider-Man revealing his identity to the world and Peter Parker will be outted. Then JMS/Quesada will do their big winter Spidey event which, from what I gathered from the articles I've read, are apparently going to fix up Spidey continuity. Then Loeb/Campbell will come onto the ongoing Spidey title scene. And from what I've read in Wizard sounds really interesting and fun.

I'm looking forward to the impending events coming toward Peter Parker. And if Mary Jane happens to get offed in between all of this...then the Comic Book Gods are truly watching over me. :)

I like you. You are one level headed fella.

[Chris Wallace]

I have no desire to see MJ die but I will be glad when all this nonsense is behind us.

[Chris Wallace]

And see? The only thing you could say in defense of the sidekick suit is that it's new!

[3dman27]

i can say THIS about the sidekick suit
if anyone ever wondered what a cross between spidey and iron man would look like NOW they know

[shinlyle]

And see? The only thing you could say in defense of the sidekick suit is that it's new!

I can't get over that, either! It reminds me of the Simpsons episode about the Malibu Stacy dolls. The company wants to reinvision a doll for the next century, and they simply pu t a hat on her head, and everyoen goes apey trying to get one.

This suit is a fine example of that.

I like you. You are one level headed fella.

The proof of him being JMS himself is really adding up...

[Chris Wallace]

It's All About Novelty! I Once Liked The "electro-blue" Superman For The Very Same Reason.

[SpideyInATree]

And see? The only thing you could say in defense of the sidekick suit is that it's new!

Is that toward me or someone else? :confused:

I gave a lot more reasons as to why I enjoy the suit. If you're going to ask people who like it to explain why they like it...and they do...and then you're still not satisfied...then maybe you shouldn't ask for it anymore.

People have differing opinions. Don't go treating people on these boards like outcasts because they don't agree with you.

[Chris Wallace]

And Don't Lump Me In With The People Who Do That. And U Said "It Gives Us A Break From The Same Old, Same Old".
"Marvel Is Doing Something With Spider-Man Instead Of (standard Sandman Plot)"
These Are Your Words; I Translate That Into "I Like It B/c It's New".
You Didn't Say, FOR EXAMPLE, "It's A Brilliant Design That Shows The Essence Of The Spider". OR "he looks better in red & gold". Or "Those mechanical spider-legs are just what he needs". That I Would Have Disagreed With, But It Wouldn't Have Led To My Remarks Which Seem To Have Offended You.

[Happenstance]

Chris why do you have the start of every word in capitals? It gets a bit annoying to read.

[Chris Wallace]

Really?
I don't always take the Caps Lock off & that's how it comes out when I don't.

[Happenstance]

Its really weird, I wouldnt have thought that it'd make a difference when reading but it seems to. Makes me strain my eyes a bit to look at it.

[SpideyInATree]

And Don't Lump Me In With The People Who Do That. And U Said "It Gives Us A Break From The Same Old, Same Old".
"Marvel Is Doing Something With Spider-Man Instead Of (standard Sandman Plot)"
These Are Your Words; I Translate That Into "I Like It B/c It's New".
You Didn't Say, FOR EXAMPLE, "It's A Brilliant Design That Shows The Essence Of The Spider". OR "he looks better in red & gold". Or "Those mechanical spider-legs are just what he needs". That I Would Have Disagreed With, But It Wouldn't Have Led To My Remarks Which Seem To Have Offended You.

And I also said that it makes sense that he gets a new suit. He is part of the Avengers now and one of his teammates happens to be a very smart and wealthy man. Tony is only helping Peter by giving him something that can help better protect him and help his wife and Aunt be a little more at ease.

I also said it's a nice catalyst for the Stark/Cap/Spidey relationship that will be explored in Civil War.

And also because I know it's merely a temporary thing. It's ALWAYS a temporary thing when he gets a new suit.

But you prefered to only see what you wanted to see I suppose. And I wasn't offended. More annoyed by how people wanted an explanation and when they get it...they're still not happy about it and still have to treat people like outcasts.

It just sounds to me like a lot of posters here just want every poster on these Spidey comics forums to say, "I hate JMS, I hate Quesada, 616 Spider-Man is dead, I'm no longer a Spider-Man reader, etc".

I'm sorry for having a differing opinion on certain things.

[Happenstance]

As ive said before, I think I would have been a hell of a lot more open to the new suit if "The Other" hadnt happened just before it. I havent dropped ASM because of the suit, ive dropped it because of the other.

Saying that though I still hate the writing of Peter just accepting being Tonys lacky and those god awful extra arms on the suit.

[Chris Wallace]

1-I never said I hated any of those guys. But I feel they made a bad decision.
2-Civil War, the Avengers, the ties to Iron Man, the fact that you point out it's TEMPORARY-these all still point to one thing; it's new. That still seems to me the central selling point of your defense. Now don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion, but I previously said that the majority of those who defend the suit are drawn to its novelty. I dislike it becase it's ugly, ill-designed, doesn't conform to the character, (By which I mean, too "techno", too "new school) the legs make no sense to me, & the color scheme-like Spidey's behavior in recent issues-makes him look like Iron Man's sidekick. Spider-Man is too well established to be reduced to such a role. No matter what the circumstances are surrounding it (And I now feel that putting him in the Avengers was a bad idea, too) I'll be glad when it's gone.

[SpideyInATree]

1-I never said I hated any of those guys. But I feel they made a bad decision.
2-Civil War, the Avengers, the ties to Iron Man, the fact that you point out it's TEMPORARY-these all still point to one thing; it's new. That still seems to me the central selling point of your defense. Now don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion, but I previously said that the majority of those who defend the suit are drawn to its novelty. I dislike it becase it's ugly, ill-designed, doesn't conform to the character, (By which I mean, too "techno", too "new school) the legs make no sense to me, & the color scheme-like Spidey's behavior in recent issues-makes him look like Iron Man's sidekick. Spider-Man is too well established to be reduced to such a role. No matter what the circumstances are surrounding it (And I now feel that putting him in the Avengers was a bad idea, too) I'll be glad when it's gone.

I didn't say you did say you disliked those guys. I just said, "a lot of posters".

It being new is a reason I like it. But I also like that Spider-Man/Peter Parker is finally getting his dues. His fellow heroes, Captain America and Iron Man, are accepting him on the same level as they are on. I love that Spidey is an Avenger and it's well deserved after all the times he's saved lives. And I love that Tony designed the suit for him.

Don't lump all those things into one category because their "new". You seem to want to make it out like I ONLY like the suit because it's new. I like it because it was showing that Spider-Man just isn't IN the Avengers but he's part of a new family now. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's going to be in that family for too long after Civil War. But I'm enjoying it while it lasts.

And as for fashion sense. I don't get the three legs on the suit either. But the rest of the suit I don't really mind. While you may look at it like Tony Stark is making Peter like his lackey I look at it like Peter is being humble in the prescence of someone that he looks up to. And he does it in regular Peter Parker fashion by using humor and quips. Like calling him "boss" all the time. I think it's funny that he does that, it's almost like a dig on Stark everytime Pete says it.

And I'm sure you'll be glad soon because it'll probably be gone in a few months.

[Norman Osborn]

. His fellow heroes, Captain America and Iron Man, are accepting him on the same level as they are on. I love that Spidey is an Avenger and it's well deserved after all the times he's saved lives. And I love that Tony designed the suit for him.

.

Unless something has happened in the last few ASM's that I'm not aware of (And I do read previews et al,)...Iron Man does NOT accept Spidey on the same level.....he's clearly written as Tony's underling....

.....if we had consistent characterization, Pete would have shoved that suit down Stark's throat by now......(Fortunately I believe we'll get that Kodak moment in "Civil war")

...as for his role in the Avengers....."Hydra arc = Fantastic"...everything else has been horrid....Pete, within the New Avengers Title, has gone from a guy who quips to keep his mind off the danger he's in and to keep his opponents off balance to a f$%^ Robin Williams wannabe....I don't think he's ever had more than one serious sentence sandwiched in between quips..."I pooped my pants"?...gahhhhh....And I like the New Avengers!! :)...I just can't wait till Spidey's no longer a part of it:up:

jmo

[Chris Wallace]

Now this is where disagreeing with you becomes fun.
1-it's not giving him his due if he has to look the way Tony says he should. Nor is it making him part of the family. The Avengers don't have a team uniform. Everyone else has thier own look & Luke doesn't even have a costume. And if he's on their level (which they'd always accepted him, or Steve would've never asked him to join in the first place) then why is he being humbled? And why is he not being given a chance to use that brilliant mind & scientific prowess that Tony so greatly respects, rather than consistently coming off as an ameteurish chump all of a sudden?
Not to mention that Tony manipulated him in DC, making him look even more like a tool. How's that giving him his due?
2-The whole thing goes against who Spider-man is. He answers to no one. He's an everyman; someone we can all identify with. But now they've got him living in a luxury apartment, wearing a high-tech gadget suit. It's like they've forgotten what made him popular in the first place.

[Chris Wallace]

And-what Whatiftales Said.

[SpideyInATree]

Unless something has happened in the last few ASM's that I'm not aware of (And I do read previews et al,)...Iron Man does NOT accept Spidey on the same level.....he's clearly written as Tony's underling....

.....if we had consistent characterization, Pete would have shoved that suit down Stark's throat by now......(Fortunately I believe we'll get that Kodak moment in "Civil war")

...as for his role in the Avengers....."Hydra arc = Fantastic"...everything else has been horrid....Pete, within the New Avengers Title, has gone from a guy who quips to keep his mind off the danger he's in and to keep his opponents off balance to a f$%^ Robin Williams wannabe....I don't think he's ever had more than one serious sentence sandwiched in between quips..."I pooped my pants"?...gahhhhh....And I like the New Avengers!! :)...I just can't wait till Spidey's no longer a part of it:up:

jmo

As I said in my post earlier. I don't look at Peter being Stark's lackey. Yes, it looks that way because it's part of the story and part of the contributing aspect to the future conflict in Civil War. I don't know Peter to be the type of guy to just tell Tony to screw himself because he made him a new suit.

Tony was merely helping him out by giving him some extra protection and different weapons in his arsenal to help him better succeed. Pete even doubted the suit in Amazing Spider-Man when Tony gave him the suit.

Peter would NOT have shoved the suit back in his face. That sounds like something that maybe YOU'D have done if in Peters shoes. But that's not what Peter would have done. Yes, I do think Peter is going to get fed up with Tony Stark. And that's why I believe I'll enjoy Civil War.

And I think you may get your wish about Spidey being off the Avengers because I don't see any future plans with him involved in the team. I enjoy him on the Avengers. And maybe you don't like the way Bendis writes him but I enjoy seeing him interact with the other heroes on a regular basis.

[Norman Osborn]

Peter would NOT have shoved the suit back in his face. That sounds like something that maybe YOU'D have done if in Peters shoes. .

Wrong again...I'd have shoved it down JMS's throat!! :)

[SpideyInATree]

Now this is where disagreeing with you becomes fun.
1-it's not giving him his due if he has to look the way Tony says he should. Nor is it making him part of the family. The Avengers don't have a team uniform. Everyone else has thier own look & Luke doesn't even have a costume. And if he's on their level (which they'd always accepted him, or Steve would've never asked him to join in the first place) then why is he being humbled? And why is he not being given a chance to use that brilliant mind & scientific prowess that Tony so greatly respects, rather than consistently coming off as an ameteurish chump all of a sudden?
Not to mention that Tony manipulated him in DC, making him look even more like a tool. How's that giving him his due?
2-The whole thing goes against who Spider-man is. He answers to no one. He's an everyman; someone we can all identify with. But now they've got him living in a luxury apartment, wearing a high-tech gadget suit. It's like they've forgotten what made him popular in the first place.

If you recall when Peter was given the suit by Tony he wasn't happy about it. Pete wasn't doing triple backflips and sticking to the wall or getting on his knees to orally pleasure Stark. Pete was rather indifferent about it. Though he tried it because Tony is his teammate and, now, friend.

And Spidey is using his scientific mind to help the Avengers. I guess you don't read New Avengers because in one of the more recent issues Tony told Spidey to use his scientific mind to help them deal with the threat of the mutant energy that inhibited the man Michael. So, yes, Tony does acknowledge that Peter has the brains as well as the braun.

Peter is being humbled by Tony because he looks up to him. You don't get that feeling? Because I do. Tony is no slouch in the brains department and it's someone that Pete looks up to, because Peter could have been doing things that Tony was doing if he hadn't been bitten by the radioactive spider.

It doesn't go against what Spider-Man is. Just because he's an everyman doesn't mean he doesn't have to answer to anybody. I'm an everyman and I have to answer to my boss. Doesn't mean I have to like my boss but I still have to answer to him to keep my job.

But isn't the point to implant some future conflict for Civil War? Of course Peter is going to get fed up with Tony and what he's doing. It's what is supposed to make Spider-man's decisions in the storyline more emotional. You don't want any story to go along with it? You just want to see Spidey slugging it out with the same tired villains every month and Spider-Man alienate himself from all the superheroes because he's supposed to be an everyman loner?

[Chris Wallace]

Occasional interaction I like, constantly being w/other heroes diminishes him. His book is called "The Amazing Spider-Man", not "Spider-Man & a bunch of other Marvel heroes." The Avengers aren't in every freakin' issue of Cap, Wolverine or Iron Man's solo books. Why Spidey's? Does he not have a life outside of Avengers tower?

[Chris Wallace]

If you recall when Peter was given the suit by Tony he wasn't happy about it. Pete wasn't doing triple backflips and sticking to the wall or getting on his knees to orally pleasure Stark. Pete was rather indifferent about it. Though he tried it because Tony is his teammate and, now, friend.

And Spidey is using his scientific mind to help the Avengers. I guess you don't read New Avengers because in one of the more recent issues Tony told Spidey to use his scientific mind to help them deal with the threat of the mutant energy that inhibited the man Michael. So, yes, Tony does acknowledge that Peter has the brains as well as the braun.

Peter is being humbled by Tony because he looks up to him. You don't get that feeling? Because I do. Tony is no slouch in the brains department and it's someone that Pete looks up to, because Peter could have been doing things that Tony was doing if he hadn't been bitten by the radioactive spider.

It doesn't go against what Spider-Man is. Just because he's an everyman doesn't mean he doesn't have to answer to anybody. I'm an everyman and I have to answer to my boss. Doesn't mean I have to like my boss but I still have to answer to him to keep my job.

But isn't the point to implant some future conflict for Civil War? Of course Peter is going to get fed up with Tony and what he's doing. It's what is supposed to make Spider-man's decisions in the storyline more emotional. You don't want any story to go along with it? You just want to see Spidey slugging it out with the same tired villains every month and Spider-Man alienate himself from all the superheroes because he's supposed to be an everyman loner?
1-There's a big difference. Ok. You may have a boss on your job, as do I. But it's one thing for Peter Parker to take orders from someone; totally different when Spider-Man does it. I have no problem w/Spidey being involved in Civil War although I have dounts about it. And no, I'm not saying he should fight the same "tired villains" (although I'm starting to miss them) nor does he have to alienate himself. Which he never did; he doesn't alienate himself from other heroes anymore than he alienated himself from the cool kids in high school. They alienated him. Doing his own thing is just a part of who he is, & Marvel seems to have forgotten that.:spidey:

[SpideyInATree]

Occasional interaction I like, constantly being w/other heroes diminishes him. His book is called "The Amazing Spider-Man", not "Spider-Man & a bunch of other Marvel heroes." The Avengers aren't in every freakin' issue of Cap, Wolverine or Iron Man's solo books. Why Spidey's? Does he not have a life outside of Avengers tower?

Seeing that he LIVES in Avengers Tower its a bit difficult to not having him interact with the heroes in his own title.

You want a good story with Spider-Man in his own title that had the Avengers? JMS' New Avengers arc had the Avengers in it but at the same time Spider-Man shined, of course.

Just because Spidey's supporting cast has changed and he's surrounded by Captain America, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Wolverine, Sentry, and Ronin.....doesn't mean the focus is taken off of him. They are merely the people he interacts with daily now.

I interacted with the same people for 12 years everyday from elementary school to high school. Then we graduated and most of those people I haven't seen since. I've got a new supporting cast in my life because sometimes things change. Even for an everyman like Peter Parker. Sometimes life gives you a chance to be excepted by your peers and sometimes it shows you that you were best to be on your own.

Possibly what Civil War might teach him.

[Venom_uk]

See, even Thing doesn't like Spidey's new costume. :D:up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/ThingSpidey01.jpg
From 'The Thing' #6

Gotta love Dan Slott. :D

[SpyderDan]

That's awesome for so many reasons. It strikes me odd that he can "turn it on and off" too. The suit just gets worse and worse.

[Chris Wallace]

Seeing that he LIVES in Avengers Tower its a bit difficult to not having him interact with the heroes in his own title.

You want a good story with Spider-Man in his own title that had the Avengers? JMS' New Avengers arc had the Avengers in it but at the same time Spider-Man shined, of course.

Just because Spidey's supporting cast has changed and he's surrounded by Captain America, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Wolverine, Sentry, and Ronin.....doesn't mean the focus is taken off of him. They are merely the people he interacts with daily now.

I interacted with the same people for 12 years everyday from elementary school to high school. Then we graduated and most of those people I haven't seen since. I've got a new supporting cast in my life because sometimes things change. Even for an everyman like Peter Parker. Sometimes life gives you a chance to be excepted by your peers and sometimes it shows you that you were best to be on your own.

Possibly what Civil War might teach him.Yes, he lives there. And I've already said I don't like that angle, either. And I don't mind him having a new supporting cast but the focus has, in some ways, been taken off of him.
Look-here's the bottom line. The suit is ugly, & it's the product of a bad story. I can accept change if it benefits the storyline & the character; this doesn't. He's been reduced from the pinnacle of Marvel's greatness to an underling. You know, Robin wears red & yellow, too.

[Chris Wallace]

See, even Thing doesn't like Spidey's new costume. :D:up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/ThingSpidey01.jpg
From 'The Thing' #6

Gotta love Dan Slott. :D
I like it. But isn't Dan just channeling what we've all been saying through Ben?
And the fact that he can change the suit's appearance-where do I begin to say what's wrong with that? It serves no real practical purpose, & you'd think he'd use that function all the time, just to be himself & not Tony Stark's puppet.

[Venom_uk]

I like it. But isn't Dan just channeling what we've all been saying through Ben?
Yeah, pretty much. Good on him I say.
And the fact that he can change the suit's appearance-where do I begin to say what's wrong with that? It serves no real practical purpose, & you'd think he'd use that function all the time, just to be himself & not Tony Stark's puppet.
*cough*cop-out by Marvel*cough*

;)

[SpyderDan]

I like it. But isn't Dan just channeling what we've all been saying through Ben?

Of course. That's the point.

[shinlyle]

See, even Thing doesn't like Spidey's new costume. :D:up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Venom_uk/ThingSpidey01.jpg
From 'The Thing' #6

Gotta love Dan Slott. :D

Dan Slott should be writing Spidey. So far, he writes the most in character Spider-man of anyone out there. And I've only read his Spidey in a couple of stories.

[Venom_uk]

Dan Slott should be writing Spidey. So far, he writes the most in character Spider-man of anyone out there. And I've only read his Spidey in a couple of stories.
Here here! I couldn't agree more. I've been screaming for Slott to get one of the big three Spidey books since his 'Spider-Man/Human Torch' mini series from last year. Spideys lil apperance in She Hulk was pretty cool, too.

[SpideyInATree]

Dan Slott should be writing Spidey. So far, he writes the most in character Spider-man of anyone out there. And I've only read his Spidey in a couple of stories.

Agreed. Spider-Man/Human Torch was proof enough that Dan should be writing Amazing Spider-Man.

Though he's gotten me into She-Hulk and The Thing...so, I can't be too mad.

But, yeah, Dan on a Spidey ongoing would be sweet.

I never thought I'd see Loeb on an ongoing Spidey book, so it could happen down the road. :)

[Chris Wallace]

Hey-there Are Now 100 Votes! 70% Dislike The Suit.

[Venom_uk]

Agreed. Spider-Man/Human Torch was proof enough that Dan should be writing Amazing Spider-Man.

Though he's gotten me into She-Hulk and The Thing...so, I can't be too mad.

But, yeah, Dan on a Spidey ongoing would be sweet.

I never thought I'd see Loeb on an ongoing Spidey book, so it could happen down the road. :)
Ditto. Plus the GLA.

Picked up the 1st two She Hulk trades a few weeks back. Great read the pair of them & I've been reading my sis' copy of 'The Thing' from #1. :up:

[Venom.X]

Hey-there Are Now 100 Votes! 70% Dislike The Suit.

That's no surprise.

Hey since I haven't (or maybe refuse to) picked up any comic with Spidey in his new costume, can someone explain how the suit just...disappears like that? And why Spidey would be wearing two costumes at the same time?

[shinlyle]

That's no surprise.

Hey since I haven't (or maybe refuse to) picked up any comic with Spidey in his new costume, can someone explain how the suit just...disappears like that? And why Spidey would be wearing two costumes at the same time?

The suit actually reacts to Peter's thoughts....which means that it is like the venom costume...only mechanical instead of organic....and uglier....and it had stupid mechanical arms on it....you get the idea. basically, it's the tech version of the Venom suit...but uglier.

[shinlyle]

Agreed. Spider-Man/Human Torch was proof enough that Dan should be writing Amazing Spider-Man.

Though he's gotten me into She-Hulk and The Thing...so, I can't be too mad.

But, yeah, Dan on a Spidey ongoing would be sweet.

I never thought I'd see Loeb on an ongoing Spidey book, so it could happen down the road. :)

Dude....I know! If Loeb and Slott were to replace JMS and PAD.....I would do a damne back-flip!

Give me Slott and Loeb, and keep Joey Q. out of the Spidey universe's affairs, and I think all will be well with the world.:up:

[SpyderDan]

PAD has no excuse for writing such awful stories these days. His run on Spectacular in the 80s was so...well, spectacular.

[Chris Wallace]

That's no surprise.

Hey since I haven't (or maybe refuse to) picked up any comic with Spidey in his new costume, can someone explain how the suit just...disappears like that? And why Spidey would be wearing two costumes at the same time?
It has the same camouflage ablities as the symbiote, basically.

[ragdus]

As a casual Spidey fan, allow me to insert an opinion not based on years of collecting the comic...

Gold bracelets and anklets? No.

[Chris Wallace]

That's What You Find Most Unsightly?
Granted, Wonder Woman Called & Asked For Them Back, But Still...

[SpyderDan]

I do think it'd help a little if he didn't have the bracelets and the anklets.

[ragdus]

What I find most unsightly are the ridiculous gold eyes. What I find most fashion-queenish are his little gold accessories.

[Chris Wallace]

Okay; white Eyes + No Gold Bracelets Or Anklets = Almost Tolerable.

[ragdus]

http://www.rageous.us/public/reworked.jpghttp://www.rageous.us/public/reworked2.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

No-that Looks Sinister.

[ragdus]

here's one for the ben-heads, then i'm done :-)

http://www.rageous.us/public/benny.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

I Didn't See The Red & Silver At First; I Kinda Like That One.

[MC2Spiderman]

ragdus any chance you could do Red main suit, silver eyes Black Spider chest and silver gauntlets and anklets now that would be awesome if you could do that

[Chris Wallace]

I Like Everything You Said Except The Gauntlets & Anklets; Maybe They Should Be Blue.

[MC2Spiderman]

i like the suit and the new features he has, also i reckon if pete has the money like stark has and the IQ this is what would of been made,
i like the suits features that allow him to have new limbs as the new limbs can help from time to time they dont have to be used all the time for survailance they have an added combat feature to them which is good, all in all i like spidermans new suit, its like the what if suit if pete had been rich :)

also one thing ive seen most comic fans dont like change heck take the superman costume change no one liked that much yet again it happens this time with spiderman, people simply dont like change either in the character and the suit, even if the character has started to be come stale due to either his story and his powers. either way if the suit stays ill read if it doesnt ill probably read a few from time to time

[MC2Spiderman]

I Like Everything You Said Except The Gauntlets & Anklets; Maybe They Should Be Blue.
reason i picked silver lol is because it would give it a scarlet spider look

[Chris Wallace]

1-if Peter were rich, he'd ever have become a superhero in the first place. Statements like that go against the whole point of what Spider-Man is about.
2-Yes, a lot of comic fans hate change. And superman's a bad example b/c virtually every revamp in the 90's has since been undone & the character restored to his/her traditional look. But I digress. I don't hate change. I hate BAD CHANGE. Hell, I even liked the Ben Reilly suit. And the Scarlet Spider. But I prefer the original look.

[Chris Wallace]

reason i picked silver lol is because it would give it a scarlet spider look
I suppose.:spidey:

[MC2Spiderman]

Bad Change and Good change still most people dont like change even tho it is sometimes nessecary

[Chris Wallace]

This One Wasn't.

[Chris Wallace]

Like I Said Before, Change That Benefits The Character & The Story Is Cool; Change For The Sake Of Flass & Pizzazz, Just To Shake Things Up, Isn't. Turning The Greatest Comic Book Character Of All Time Into A Goofy Sidekick Can Never Be Justified.

[SpyderDan]

Wow, Ragdus, all your variations are enormous improvements over the suit. Kudos! :up:

[Chris Wallace]

Which Means The Biggest Problem Is The Color Scheme.

[SpyderDan]

Yeah, I'd have to say so, yes. I found a manip awhile back that used Spidey's classic colors, the good ol' red and blue, and it actually made the suit very likeable.

[Chris Wallace]

Can You Point Me To Said Manip?

[SpyderDan]

Can You Point Me To Said Manip?

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4084/lesscrappy9vc.jpg

Here we are.

[Venom Drool]

colors are wrong for spidey though i was impartial to the whole thing..

the added tentacles and crap are useless.. spidey is still spidey though isntead of finding something to latch his web to or hit the water, he glides ovr it for an instant... bah

old threads with perhaps a slightly differnt feature would be cool.. but comopletely new suit... it just doesnt fit well with how simple spidey likes things

[ragingdemon155]

colors are wrong for spidey though i was impartial to the whole thing..

the added tentacles and crap are useless.. spidey is still spidey though isntead of finding something to latch his web to or hit the water, he glides ovr it for an instant... bah

old threads with perhaps a slightly differnt feature would be cool.. but comopletely new suit... it just doesnt fit well with how simple spidey likes things

That's my main problem with the suit. Yea, the colors are ugly. Yea, the style is horrific. But it's those damn tentacles that really bug me. They serve completely no purpose whatsoever. They've already got Spider-man feeling like Wolverine, stingers and all. Now they've fused him with Doc Ock. :(

[Venom Drool]

the new features are useless considering he functioned without them before. the only thing he doesnt have to worry about are bullets.but that was part of the fun

[ragingdemon155]

the new features are useless considering he functioned without them before. the only thing he doesnt have to worry about are bullets.but that was part of the fun

I agree completely.

I miss Spider-man gracefully dancing through bullets like nothing.

Now he's trying to stop them with his hands.:(

[Truthteller]

This "Iron Spidey" suit and spider stinger thingies have got to go.

SPIDER-MAN must return to his former red blue spidey self.

[3dman27]

i guess you are right truthteller but we can't blame SPIDEY for trying the writers YES but not ol webhead

[Chris Wallace]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4084/lesscrappy9vc.jpg

Here we are.
Looks kinda 2099-ish.:spidey:
Like Miguel O'Hara meets Ben Reilly.

[Chris Wallace]

the new features are useless considering he functioned without them before. the only thing he doesnt have to worry about are bullets.but that was part of the fun
That doesn't make them useless so much as unnecessary. And I loved watching him dodge bullets.:spidey:

[Arach Knight]

Personally, I have no qualms with the suit. What I do have a problem with, is turning Peter Parker into the new Jim Rhodes. "Whatever you say boss." The only good that could come of this new found speech pattern, would be a good Fantasy Island joke. "Hey Boss, the plane, the plane!" (Unless i've already been beaten to that joke. I only started reading Spidey again as of issue #530). As for the suit itself. Some of it's design, seems useful. I view the arms to be more like spider legs. Sort of like how you view doc ocks extra appendages as tentacles. The color shifting for camo and the ability to change the look of the suit, is a bonus. Besides, we all know he is mainly going to need the suit, as a means of surviving the civil war. And it isn't the first time that Spidey has dawned a suit of armor. Of course, the other suits did all look superior. But who doesn't remember that green foil issue of Amazing Spider-Man, in which he sported the black and silver web armor. So I see this as a temporary necessity. Compared to Strazyski's other mistakes with Spider-Man (along with most every other current spidey writer), this here is a blessing.

[LarryLegend]

I miss him having to dodge bullets too. It was awesome watching him do that using his spider sense. Its just another sign that JMS doesn't get Spidey at all. What a ****ing useless hack.

[Chris Wallace]

I Hated The Black & Silver Armor, Too-it Was Ridiculous, Like Many Armors We Sufferd Through In The 90's. Only That Only Lasted One Isssue.

[ragingdemon155]

I miss him having to dodge bullets too. It was awesome watching him do that using his spider sense. Its just another sign that JMS doesn't get Spidey at all. What a ****ing useless hack.

Get Michelinie or Dematteis back quickly. Let them show JMS what Spider-man is all about. :)

[Chris Wallace]

DeMatteis lost his touch toward the end of his final Spectacular run.

[ragingdemon155]

DeMatteis lost his touch toward the end of his final Spectacular run.

Even then, it NEVER got this bad though and I would still take DeMatteis over JMS anyday as far as a Spider-man writer is concerned.

[Chris Wallace]

Personally, I have no qualms with the suit. What I do have a problem with, is turning Peter Parker into the new Jim Rhodes. "Whatever you say boss." The only good that could come of this new found speech pattern, would be a good Fantasy Island joke. "Hey Boss, the plane, the plane!" (Unless i've already been beaten to that joke. I only started reading Spidey again as of issue #530). As for the suit itself. Some of it's design, seems useful. I view the arms to be more like spider legs. Sort of like how you view doc ocks extra appendages as tentacles. The color shifting for camo and the ability to change the look of the suit, is a bonus. Besides, we all know he is mainly going to need the suit, as a means of surviving the civil war. And it isn't the first time that Spidey has dawned a suit of armor. Of course, the other suits did all look superior. But who doesn't remember that green foil issue of Amazing Spider-Man, in which he sported the black and silver web armor. So I see this as a temporary necessity. Compared to Strazyski's other mistakes with Spider-Man (along with most every other current spidey writer), this here is a blessing.
1-yes, he is the new Jim Rhodes. That's what I've been arguing the most; they've turned him into a sidekick.
2-what practical prupose to the legs serve?
3-The original armor actually debuted in Web of Spider-Man, not Amazing.:spidey:

[3dman27]

spiderdans manip is a littele better[the spidey 2009 suit]

[SpyderDan]

spiderdans manip is a littele better[the spidey 2009 suit]

Haha I actually didn't do it myself. Someone else did on another message board. I personally like that manip a lot though.

[3dman27]

ok sorry about that

[SpyderDan]

No problemo.

[Arach Knight]

Well Chris, the legs have proven to be useful in combat. While he was at the "mercy" of Titanium Man, he was able to utilize the arms for a surprise attack. Obviously these fragile arms aren't the latest in greatest, like say, Doc Ock's tentacles...but they are useful enough for quick, close combat situations. Ultimately, I still prefer the old red and blues, to any suit of armor, but for the time being, I don't really mind the armor. I do dislike the idea of Spidey as a lacky, and for the armor to have come from Stark. All of the surveillance tech is a disappointment though. That is just a little too Tony Stark for my tastes. It sort of negates the usefulness of Spider Sense, when he can peer corners, and have a visor scan analysis of a situation. Peter is a science geek, but not really a technophile. Either way, we all know it will be a temporary thing.

[Chris Wallace]

So He Never Found A Way To Get Out Of, Say, Doc Ock's Or The Rhino's Grip Before?

[RAMORE]

like it hate the colors some functions make him a bad ass but not spidey. Oh and it's a total rip off of a bagley clone design incase yall didn't know.

[Chris Wallace]

The Torso Portion; That's All. And Even That Wasn't "Iron Man, Jr.".

[SpyderDan]

like it hate the colors some functions make him a bad ass but not spidey. Oh and it's a total rip off of a bagley clone design incase yall didn't know.

Can you post a picture?

[Chris Wallace]

Unlikely. Those Designs Haven't Been Seen In Years. But I Know What He's Talking About; Bagley & Lyle Were Commissioned To Do Some Designs For What Would Ultimately Become The Scarlet Spider Costume, Which Was Pretty Much An Amalgamation Of Both Their Ideas. Some Of Bagley's Designs Featured A Huge Spider Emblem On The Chest, Like What He Later Adapted Into The Ben Reilly Spider-man Suit.
But Again, That's Pretty Much Where The Similarity Ends.

[Chris Wallace]

Well Chris, the legs have proven to be useful in combat. While he was at the "mercy" of Titanium Man, he was able to utilize the arms for a surprise attack. Obviously these fragile arms aren't the latest in greatest, like say, Doc Ock's tentacles...but they are useful enough for quick, close combat situations. Ultimately, I still prefer the old red and blues, to any suit of armor, but for the time being, I don't really mind the armor. I do dislike the idea of Spidey as a lacky, and for the armor to have come from Stark. All of the surveillance tech is a disappointment though. That is just a little too Tony Stark for my tastes. It sort of negates the usefulness of Spider Sense, when he can peer corners, and have a visor scan analysis of a situation. Peter is a science geek, but not really a technophile. Either way, we all know it will be a temporary thing.
Did I misread something, or did the guy who CREATED the costume, legs and all, also create the situation where :spidey: was called upon to use them?
He'd never have a need for it in his regular life.

[Kahoot]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4084/lesscrappy9vc.jpg

Here we are.
Shouldn't those colours be the other way round? Blue on Red and not Red on Blue? :venom:

[Chris Wallace]

Yup. Like I Said, It Looks Like They Were Going For A "Miguel O'Hara Meets Ben Reilly" Look.

[Arach Knight]

It is obvious Chris, that Strazysky is crafting ways for the suit to be relavent. Despite a some what ****ty run, I can't fault the man on this one. That's just doing his job as a writer. There is no point to having new functions if Spidey is never going to use them. It would be like reintroducing the Spidey car (which some may not remember). With that in mind though, if the Flash could suddenly fly, does that mean he would never do it, because he has adjusted his life and fight strategy, to running? Of course not. Peter is clever and powerful, but not that powerful. If these legs give him a surprise advantage, then so be it. I don't like the suit, but I also do not mind the suit. I don't want to become one of those comic fans that can never be placated until a book and character falls precisely into whatever paramters I desire. Yeah the suit is ugly and it is some what out of character, but it is temporary, and advantagous. For that, I can just brush it off. So really, it isn't that big of a deal.

[Chris Wallace]

You Know What? You Are Absolutely Right.

[RAMORE]

Can you post a picture?
i'll see if i can find it. It was in a sketch book they put out showing the designs they went through for the scarlet spider and it looked alot like iron spidey only no dumb heel things.

[SpyderDan]

i'll see if i can find it. It was in a sketch book they put out showing the designs they went through for the scarlet spider and it looked alot like iron spidey only no dumb heel things.

Cool, thanks. If you can't find it, then no biggie.

The best moment with this new suit will come in Civil War when Peter just gets fed up with Stark and throws the new suit in his face and goes back to the classic threads. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

Is That How You Predict It'll Go Down Or Do You Know For Sure?

[SpyderDan]

No, that's just my prediction. But I'm hoping that's how it goes. Seems pretty likely.

[Chris Wallace]

I Just Thought Of Something; Didn't Tony Have Some Kind Of Fail-safe To Disable The War Machine Suit? He May Have Something Similar For The Sidekick Suit, Which Would Escalate Their Conflict.

[3dman27]

i think he does

[Chris Wallace]

For Which Sidekick?

[3dman27]

both

[Chris Wallace]

Ah. So If He Shut Down The Suit To Try To Get Peter To Fall In Line, The Ca-ca Would Really Hit The Fan.

[3dman27]

exactly so

[SpideyInATree]

DeMatteis lost his touch toward the end of his final Spectacular run.

Well, you'd lose your touch too if you were pretty much told what to write. I'm sure if Mr. DeMatteis was able to craft his own Spidey story it would have been a different story.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Too bad his title was marred by such crappy art. I didn't read it 'cause of it.

[Chris Wallace]

Well, you'd lose your touch too if you were pretty much told what to write. I'm sure if Mr. DeMatteis was able to craft his own Spidey story it would have been a different story.
DO NOT get me wrong; I would love to have the "Child Within" & "Disordered Minds" writer back on the Spidey books. I just didn't see that when he returned to Spectacular.:spidey:

[RAMORE]

this picture of it almost made me change my mind that it's better than the classic:eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/SMCW.jpg/429px-SMCW.jpg





Ok maybe not that good;)

[Chris Wallace]

If I saw this pic in a different color scheme I might not hate it so much.

[Chris Wallace]

But why would Spidey web up Cap's shield? I thought they were on the same side in this.

[RAMORE]

i dunno i think spidey will feel obligated to go with tony at first hence the whole suit being given as a plot device to begin with. what other colors? Blue where the gold is? anybody in photoshop wanna try that.

[Chris Wallace]

Blue where the gold is would be a good start.

[RAMORE]

i'd actually like a black and silver motif but thats just me.

[Chris Wallace]

Only Problem Is Tony Had A Sidekick Wearing Those Colors, Too.

[SpyderDan]

this picture of it almost made me change my mind that it's better than the classic:eek:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/SMCW.jpg/429px-SMCW.jpg





Ok maybe not that good;)

Actually that's the pic that almost changed my mind as well. Michael Turner seems to be the only artist to do something good with the new suit.

[RAMORE]

Only Problem Is Tony Had A Sidekick Wearing Those Colors, Too.


silver and black who?:confused: don't say war machine he aint no sidecick and he was gray and silver.

[ragdus]

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