Sinister

[PhoenixRisen]

Okay, it's not official that Mr. Sinister is in X3, but there have been a number of rumors about his appearance--SO just in case he makes a cameo somewhere in the movie I thought I'd start a thread...

How do you think he will be portrayed (if at all)? Will we see him in human Dr. Essex form and/or as Mr. Sinister? Who would be a good choice to play him? (I vote for Ralph Fiennes, esp. since he worked with Brett Ratner in "Red Dragon" and is British.) What will his relationship with Apocalypse be? What does it all mean for X4, as well as for Cyclops, Phoenix, Cable, etc.

[PikaZeroX]

If Sinister indeed makes an appearance in X3, I'm not too sad if Cyclops dies, that's pretty much a shoe in for future resurrection. Not to mention 150% Gambit gaurantee if theirs a 4th.

[chaseter]

Ralph Fiennes would be awesome. He was evil as hell in Harry Potter 4.

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christopher walken for sinister :D

the guys creepy O_O

[PhoenixRisen]

christopher walken for sinister :D

the guys creepy O_O
That's a good idea too. He is creepy. :D

[berzerko89]

I want... to be sinister. lol.

[WorthyStevens]

There was a scoop awhile back on Canmag.com that sounded lowkey enough to be true, about a British doctor working in Worthington Labs with the name of Nathaniel Essex.

[taintedFB]

I think it would be awesome and could be true. I don't think he'll be Sinister in this one and I don't think they'll bring in Apocalypse.

I bet his genetic experiments make him Sinister in X4.

[L0ngsh0t]

yeah walken wont be sinsiter you can't get a sicilian to play a brit...finness is a solid choice, although it would suprise me much if he agrees upon doing a cameo because there is a "chance there will be an x4" my guess is, it is an unkown british actor looking for a break, much like clive owen was awhile ago and now he's big, u needs to be suave, very intellegent, and of corse, a completley insane experimentalist, yes, yes i do want him to inkle at creating cable from scott and rachel summers, and maybe even have future cable in a x4 and his story could be the logan story of the first two movies

[taintedFB]

Is Cable Rachel's son, not Jean's?

[L0ngsh0t]

[quote=L0ngsh0t]yes i do want him to inkle at creating cable from scott and rachel summers, and maybe even have future cable in a x4 and[/quote)

look at the big brain on brad...if you would read closer you wouldn't have to waste a post

[PhoenixRisen]

Is Cable Rachel's son, not Jean's?
Madelyne Prior's and Scott's...which would bring up the whole Inferno saga too...but doubt they would go in that direction...

[PhoenixRisen]

yes i do want him to inkle at creating cable from scott and rachel summers, and maybe even have future cable in a x4 and
I thought Cable was Madelyne and Scott's son, but who knows I am missing a large chunk of X-history in my brain cuz it got so confusing... :D

[taintedFB]

WHAT IF....

The Phoenix in this film is revealed in the end to be a clone "Madelyn Prior".

And at the end we see Scott and the real Jean in Sinister's lab!!!!

[L0ngsh0t]

**** youre right, now i look like an ass

madelyne prior was his mother

[L0ngsh0t]

my apologize taintedFB, thats what i get for trying to out X everyone

[Specter313]

Jason Isaacs for Sinister!

[JokerNick]

pauly walnuts is going to play sinister..............

[Retroman]

How can one call something official when it hasn't been confirmed?

We had the same drama with Scarlett Witch and Emma Frost.

[JokerNick]

How can one call something official when it hasn't been confirmed?

We had the same drama with Scarlett Witch and Emma Frost.

anthony claimed that there was an english guy in his fake x3 book review.........

[Maze]

WHAT IF....

The Phoenix in this film is revealed in the end to be a clone "Madelyn Prior".

And at the end we see Scott and the real Jean in Sinister's lab!!!!
I would love that :)

[Maze]

How can one call something official when it hasn't been confirmed?

We had the same drama with Scarlett Witch and Emma Frost.
I agree , it should be closed , at least temporarly.

No need to give people false hope.

[Retroman]

anthony claimed that there was an english guy in his fake x3 book review.........
But thats the thing. The book is different from the final film and we're still not certain if the review is real or not.

[Maze]

anthony claimed that there was an english guy in his fake x3 book review.........
You should stop that, untill tomorow at least.

[MoiBijou]

I'd like to see Sinister. After Mags, he's my favorite villain.

Of course, if Sinister is in X3, that opens the way for Mutant Massacre, Inferno, Archangel, Gambit... it'd be great.

[Maze]

But thats the thing. The book is different from the final film and we're still not certain if the review is real or not.
that too.....

hmmm a bit of a problem we have there ..lol

We should have a thread of rumored /non confirmed X3 Characters

[Maze]

I'd like to see Sinister. After Mags, he's my favorite villain.

Of course, if Sinister is in X3, that opens the way for Mutant Massacre, Inferno, Archangel, Gambit... it'd be great.
Superiority among mutant , genetic cleansing is the next way to go imo..

It could make a great story :) :up:

[sparky_parker]

jason mewes for sinister!

SNOOCH TO THE MUTHA****ING DOOCH!!

lol

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jason mewes for sinister!

SNOOCH TO THE MUTHA****ING DOOCH!!

lol

OMG!! LMFAO

snoochie boochies summers!

[tonytr1687]

Ralph Fiennes or Jason Isaacs would be perfect for Sinister. Funny though, both of them are villians in Harry Potter.

[sparky_parker]

OMG!! LMFAO

snoochie boochies summers!

hehe :up:

[Retroman]

that too.....

hmmm a bit of a problem we have there ..lol

We should have a thread of rumored /non confirmed X3 Characters
Thats a great idea.

[Halcohol]

I'd like to see Jason Isaacs do it, just because he's got the crazy eyes. Saw some clips of him from "Friends With Money" and his American accent has gotten a lot better, too.

[taintedFB]

Jason Isaacs would be Great.

I think it would be cool if he was jsut a doctor at the lab for most of the movie and only at the end do we hear his name...

[Angamb]

I hope if this it's true, he will be a known actor, no anybody

[The Infernal]

If Sinister was included as Dr. Essex before he became Mr. Sinister they would have to change his origin quite a bit. Though they have done that with more than a few characters already.

If this does happen then how would you see him becoming Mr. Sinister? I could see it working if he was a lab scientist as said in the rumours because it could be explained that he was fascinated by the mutant condition working there and with Angel and his obsession would tie in nicely with Archangel.

As for possible actors, I don't really want to see a known face. Though I like some of the suggestions, I just don't see them working, especially Walken. Don't get me wrong, I'm a great fan of his work and I think it would be good on screen but it would seem too out of touch with what has gone before in these films. The casting should be less about Hollywood greats and just about who can deliver the right peromance.

[Specter313]

If Sinister was included as Dr. Essex before he became Mr. Sinister they would have to change his origin quite a bit. Though they have done that with more than a few characters already.

If this does happen then how would you see him becoming Mr. Sinister? I could see it working if he was a lab scientist as said in the rumours because it could be explained that he was fascinated by the mutant condition working there and with Angel and his obsession would tie in nicely with Archangel.

As for possible actors, I don't really want to see a known face. Though I like some of the suggestions, I just don't see them working, especially Walken. Don't get me wrong, I'm a great fan of his work and I think it would be good on screen but it would seem too out of touch with what has gone before in these films. The casting should be less about Hollywood greats and just about who can deliver the right peromance.

Don't forget that part of Sinister's powers is that he's a bit of a shapeshifter, so he can still have Essex as his disguise.

[GoldGoblin]

I hope we see him in his Sinister form.

[PhoenixRisen]

How can one call something official when it hasn't been confirmed?

We had the same drama with Scarlett Witch and Emma Frost.
I just used the word "Official" cuz that's the style used on the character threads (i.e. GAMBIT). Not trying to get anyone's hopes up or imply that it's confirmed Sinister's in the movie...although willing to take bets!! :D

[Specter313]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xmentheend/xmentheend1-4.jpg

[sparky_parker]

cool pic!!

[sparky_parker]

whats the diamond on his forhead? how does he get that?

[cookiva]

I want him to wear what he does in his ultimate version, but be pretty pale...

[ProfeZZor X]

Okay, it's not official that Mr. Sinister is in X3, but there have been a number of rumors about his appearance--SO just in case he makes a cameo somewhere in the movie I thought I'd start a thread...

How do you think he will be portrayed (if at all)? Will we see him in human Dr. Essex form and/or as Mr. Sinister?

As long as we don't see him in that goofy shreded cape costume. I think the best real world interpretation of him is when they introduced him in the Ultimate X-Men universe. It was ingenious how they did it, and how they explained his powers.

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wait, isnt this ultimate sinister?

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9426/ownedxavier3id.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[PhoenixRisen]

^^
They talk in Internet lingo? "LOL!" ??
What's next...."TTYL Prof!" "O RLY?" ":-)" ???

[MoiBijou]

Nah, he says "stairs" in that pic. Someone made a manip and changed the word.

[PhoenixRisen]

Nah, he says "stairs" in that pic. Someone made a manip and changed the word.
Thank you...whew...

[L0ngsh0t]

well that technically dosent open archangel, but yes gambit and the mauraders, and like the before mentioned cable, and the savage land take over would be sweet

[MoiBijou]

I recall someone from FOX (Winter? Donner? Arad?) saying that they were interested on Archangel... so, there's a possiblity we could see a blue-skinned Warren.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'd like to know more about this dude... Sinister is EVIL.. Evil than the Emperor??

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Sinister isn't that evil,

Secretly he sponsors Rwandan children and has the world's most comprehensive Malibu Stacy collection.

[DarknessOfDeath]

your joking right??


come on. seriously. Tell me.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

No wait that's Smithers.

Yeah, Sinister, that deviant megalomaniac! Yeah he is way evil!

[Eros]

sinister has always been a joke IMO. anyone who actually calls themsleves "Mr.Sinister" has already lost cool points. He wants Jean and scotts DNA, blah blah blah.

[DarknessOfDeath]

well I know that part... but not too well. So he's not like as evil as Magneto is he?

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Yeah, like Apocalypse, Cable and dare I say it... Gambit!

He was a product of the early nineties, where style was valued more than substance.


That is not to say that these characters haven't developed more personality and depths as the years (and writers) role on, it's just that they're base nature is slightly flawed.

[DarknessOfDeath]

...riiight... :marv:

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm...

Sinister is much less human than Magneto, in the way that he is uncompromising and has no real social philosophy (or family, or romantic interest, or any other interest apart from 'Mutants')

So, personally I would say he is MORE evil than Magneto.
Actually, I would say that Sinister is a monster.

[DarknessOfDeath]

got any pics of what this monster looks like?

[.TheNerdess.]

but wasnt sinister just a pawn of apocolypse? like what evil was he ever really done on his own, other than being a little obsessed with mutants?

[GreatWhiteWhale]

sure ill go find some for you

[newwaveboy87]

http://marvel1.scanz.tripod.com/image-marvel/marvel/Marvel1995Fleer_MrSinister.jpg

[Eros]

Sinister was Apocs ***** basically, but like his master his goal is far out thier and unlike his master sinisters goals never really makes any sense once you think about it.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

No, Sinister is pretty independant, although he has 'worked for' Apocalypse in the past, however, his motivations were... well, sinister.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Sinister was in a few X-men Cartoon shows. right?? Cause he does seem really familiar. Its been a while since i've seen the x-men cartoon shows. -sighs- I don't watch much t.v - sadly. maybe these pics of sinister will bring some memories back.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Yeah he was in a few cartoons. In fact, I think he was the first villain the X-Men faced, excluding the Sentinels.

He captured Morph in the very first episode and turned him evil. Then when Magneto and Prof X went to visit the Savage Land, he captured them too and neutralized everyones powers.

Actually, now that I think about it, he was a pretty major bad guy throughout the first couple of seasons.

[.TheNerdess.]

he was definatly in the cartoons, but as a servant of apocolypse and enslaver of morph, which was always really sad.
there is a pic of him on like page two of this thread.

[MoiBijou]

Pic:

http://mutantvault.xmenlegends2.com/assets/Sinister1280.jpg

History:

Real Name: Dr. Nathaniel Essex
Aliases: Dr. Windsor, Mr. Sinister, Dr. Nathan Milbury, Mike Milbury, Lefty
Relatives: Rebecca (wife, deceased), Adam (son, deceased)
Alternate-X Versions: (Age of Apocalypse), (Mutant X), (Ultimate), (The End)
Codename Etymology: Pronounced sĭn'ĭ-stər [From Latin sinister "on the left, unlucky"]; Ominous, evil.
Powers & History: Sinister was a human doctor living in Victorian England who was augmented by Apocalypse. He does not age, and he appears to have total control over his body's molecules, allowing him to pass energy blasts through himself and change his appearance. It was recently revealed that this ability was derived from the cells of the mutant Courier in the late 19th Century, and not from any of Apocalypse's manipulations. Sinister may also have some telepathic abilities, like making people pass out.
A geneticist of unparalleled genius, Sinister foresaw the coming mutations that would befall mankind when he was still human. However, his unorthodox experiments caused him to be rejected by the Royal Society, and by his own wife in 1857, leading him to Apocalypse, who gave him a silvery skin and stripped him of his humanity. Interestingly, Cyclops and Phoenix were sent back in time by Sanctity of the Askani

Sinister has conducted numerous experiments in his time, plotting the course of certain genepools for over a century. He ran an obstetrics clinic in New York in the late 19th century and performed genetic research on society's deviants on the side. During WWII, he joined the Nazi scientists and managed to get a blood sample of the Sub-Mariner from which he created a clone, N2. N2 had the ability to absorb and project water, and defeated Namor and the original Human Torch quite easily, but fell to the unexpected skill of Captain America. Working first in the Nazi death camps as a "doctor," he counted Gabrielle Haller among his patients. In his guise as Dr. Essex, he influenced the research of Herbert Wyndham, the man who became the High Evolutionary. He also secured a position at Oxford as a biology professor, and taught Professor X and Moira MacTaggert, even becoming Moira's faculty advisor.

Over time he found that the combination of Scott Summers' and Jean Grey's genes would generate a mutant of incredible power. The young Scott was brought to Sinister's orphanage in Nebraska, and Sinister collected a blood sample from Jean Grey to confirm his findings. When Phoenix died, Sinister used that sample to create the clone who was known as Madelyne Pryor. Madelyne was set up to meet Scott, and naturally, the two fell in love and married. Madelyne gave birth to Nathan Christopher, a child with telekinetic powers, but before Sinister could get a hold of him, Madelyne allied herself with N'astrih and became the Goblin Queen. After that, Nathan was cared for by his father and the "resurrected" Jean Grey. Before Sinster could make another attempt to get Nathan, Apocalypse, sensing that this child could be a weapon for Sinister to use against him, infected Nathan with a techno-organic virus, which forced Cyclops to send him into the future, where he grew up to be the man we know as Cable.

In his pursuit of genetic perfection Sinister had Gambit assemble a group of assassins known as the Marauders. The Marauders entered the Morlock tunnels under Manhattan and commenced a slaughter, because Sinister considered the Morlocks genetically useless. However, Sinister sometimes aids the X-Men, for reasons all his own. He helped Gambit save Sabretooth's life after his adamantium was removed, he took in Threnody and helped her control her power before she escaped, and in the 19th Century, he helped Gambit stop the current Thieves' Guild from revealing Apocalypse's secrets to Candra, as well as returning Courier to a more human state. In each case, though, Sinister exacts a price, and it is usually very costly, not to the pocket, but to the soul.

When Herbert Wyndham (the High Evolutionary) activated a satellite that reverted all mutant DNA to human DNA, stripping all Earth's mutants of their mutations, Dr. Essex, who had come to support his student's work, then revealed himself as Sinister. He locked down Wyndham's armor and modified the satellite's beam to mutate every human being on Earth, providing Sinister with an entire planet of lab subjects. Fortunately he was stopped by the X-Men. Soon after, nearly 20 of Sinister's facilities were attacked by Domina, and she appeared to have killed him at each one. Exactly what happened to Sinister is unclear.

What is known is that Sinister survived, and after Colossus sacrificed himself to cure the Legacy Virus, he offered Nightcrawler the opportunity to resurrect Piotr as a clone. He was flatly refused.

Later, Sinister insinuated himself into the reborn Weapon X Program as "Dr. Windsor." He appeared to be saving mutants from the Neverland concentration camp, but in reality was bringing them to his secret lab and experimenting on them. As Windsor, Sinister was privy to the secrets of the Program's members, such as the fact that Mesmero had lost his powers and Sabretooth was again free of mind control, but he seems not to have acted on this knowledge, except to ensure that his identity was not uncovered.

[Aptman]

but wasnt sinister just a pawn of apocolypse? like what evil was he ever really done on his own, other than being a little obsessed with mutants?

Well, there is the whole cloning Jean and creating what would become the Goblin Queen. Then there's just years of messing with the Summers brothers...like owning the orphanage that Scott grew up in and totally messing with his head. He's one of those "behind the scenes" guys most of the time... and he has proven very difficult to kill.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

http://www.leftoverokra.com/cerebro/pics/mrsinister.gif http://www.fanlistings.org/mr_sinister/images/ophero.jpg http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthsinisterlearnsecrets3.jpg http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/images/thumb/2/2f/Mr_Sinister_02.jpg/180px-Mr_Sinister_02.jpg

[Eros]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/11/Xmen-theend4.png/250px-Xmen-theend4.png


MR.SINISTER!

[Neto Magnus]

Okay, it's not official that Mr. Sinister is in X3, but there have been a number of rumors about his appearance--SO just in case he makes a cameo somewhere in the movie I thought I'd start a thread...

How do you think he will be portrayed (if at all)? Will we see him in human Dr. Essex form and/or as Mr. Sinister? Who would be a good choice to play him? (I vote for Ralph Fiennes, esp. since he worked with Brett Ratner in "Red Dragon" and is British.) What will his relationship with Apocalypse be? What does it all mean for X4, as well as for Cyclops, Phoenix, Cable, etc.
Good call on Ralph Fiennes, but I always saw him as a younger Xavier.

I would say Jeremy Irons. I know it might be a little type casting but he's a vetern villain.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3189/coe5ha.jpg

[Exploding Boy]

sinister has always been a joke IMO. anyone who actually calls themsleves "Mr.Sinister" has already lost cool points. He wants Jean and scotts DNA, blah blah blah.

He did create one of the most powerfull mutants ever...Xman.

[DarknessOfDeath]

creepy...

okay so nathan is Cable right?

[Exploding Boy]

Okay Nathan Christopher Summers is Cable. The son of Scott and Madelyne(the clone of Jean, so it kind of is Jean geneticly just not emotionally).

Nate Grey, is Xman. The genetic baby that Sinister made out of Jean and Scotts genes. He is named Nate( to confuse with his bro Nathan lol) after Nathaniel, Sinisters first name.

Alright did you get that?

[PhoenixRisen]

This will always be my one of my favorites...
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/PhoenixRisen7/sinister.jpg
I love the "You have a name, chum?" line... :D
The "Mister" part may be a little cheesy (I like it anyways) but I think he got his name from his wife, who saw some of his genetic experiments and called him "Sinister!" (or something like that).

[GreatWhiteWhale]

A little bit on the likely Origin of the name:

'Mr Sinister Smiles' was a poem written by an anonymous that described how pale, freakish and grotesqye Syphillis can be for both the victim and the onlookers.

Mr. Sinister smiles--
At you--Lady, and drools--

And drips a bit from where
You'd guess, but would most fear.

He has made many plans:
Little trips for his hands.

And they all involve you.
Oh there's nothing to do--

But wait for him. He's there
You know, and he's like air:

He's everywhere you'd go.
He's got something to show

Just you. You won't like it.

[DarknessOfDeath]

This will always be my one of my favorites...
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/PhoenixRisen7/sinister.jpg
I love the "You have a name, chum?" line... :D
The "Mister" part may be a little cheesy (I like it anyways) but I think he got his name from his wife, who saw some of his genetic experiments and called him "Sinister!" (or something like that).

WTF is that Between Madelyne Legs??

[PhoenixRisen]

WTF is that Between Madelyne Legs??
Elaine Grey...don't ask...

[Exploding Boy]

Shes is known as the Goblyn Queen so she has some of her own.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

An N'Garai demon I think.

That was the Inferno Saga right?

My God, The X-Men have seen some freaky ****.

[PhoenixRisen]

^^
That POEM is freaky!!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Elaine Grey...don't ask...

... uh ew...wtf... :down

[Alcatraz]

they better throw sinister in the end for a cliff hanger. how awsome would it be if at the end of the movie it shows the graves of jean and scott during a rainy night with lightnigh and stuff. then suddenly a shovel digs in to the grave. the camera zooms out and it shows mr sinister laughing maniacly.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

No way!

Too schlock horror!

I don't want Zombie Slim and Redd!

[PhoenixRisen]

No way!

Too schlock horror!

I don't want Zombie Slim and Redd!
I would rather have a simple shot of him in a lab somewhere as Dr. Essex, with maybe a closeup of his eyes turning red...

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I think the 'Sinister Revelation' has to be subtle, like the phoenix imprint at the end of X2 - Something that the fans will understand but won't leave the general movie goers saying 'So.. what was the deal with that random pale guy at the end?"

[PhoenixRisen]

I think the 'Sinister Revelation' has to be subtle, like the phoenix imprint at the end of X2 - Something that the fans will understand but won't leave the general movie goers saying 'So.. what was the deal with that random pale guy at the end?"
Exaaaaaactly! :D

[flavio_lebeau]

i think it has to be even more subtle than Jean in the end of X2. Lots of non fans noticed the yellow "aura" when even some fans didnt :p
my parents, who had never seen Phoenix, knew that she was underwater when they watched, and said, "Ah, so she didnt die...does that mean there will be another movie?"

[RagingTempest]

So Sinister is the surprise character at the end of X3, that sets up X4?:confused:

[PhoenixRisen]

So Sinister is the surprise character at the end of X3, that sets up X4?:confused:
No, just a guess (My $$ is on Sinister). I was thinking of putting up a poll asking who people thought the "surprise character" is...Sinister, Gambit, Apocalypse, Shadow King...any other guesses??

[Halcohol]

No, just a guess (My $$ is on Sinister). I was thinking of putting up a poll asking who people thought the "surprise character" is...Sinister, Gambit, Apocalypse, Shadow King...any other guesses??
Cyclops?

[PhoenixRisen]

Cyclops?
I thought about him, too, but didn't he say a "new character"? I can't find the quote...

[flavio_lebeau]

No, just a guess (My $$ is on Sinister). I was thinking of putting up a poll asking who people thought the "surprise character" is...Sinister, Gambit, Apocalypse, Shadow King...any other guesses??
i dont think it will be gambit...he's my favourite characteer, but, he's not a character that can set up a whole movie...so i go with Sinister...

[Specter313]

No, just a guess (My $$ is on Sinister). I was thinking of putting up a poll asking who people thought the "surprise character" is...Sinister, Gambit, Apocalypse, Shadow King...any other guesses??

Hellfire Club

[SilentType]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/PhoenixRisen7/sinister.jpg
They don't leave much to the imagination, do they?

[astonishingcyke]

Go Cyclops! But really though, sinister would be cool, and imo its the most probable.

[RagingTempest]

No, just a guess (My $$ is on Sinister). I was thinking of putting up a poll asking who people thought the "surprise character" is...Sinister, Gambit, Apocalypse, Shadow King...any other guesses??

I think Sinister is a good choice, plus introducing a new villain leaves a lot more to look forward too, than a new hero. But I think Gambit might be also, since the writers did plan to get him to be in the movie. But I agree, there are nearly a hundred different X-men characters, it could be anyone!!!:confused:

[PhoenixRisen]

Hellfire Club
And/or Emma Frost?

Here's some quotes from Simon K:
Q: I remember a while back it was either you or Zak or someone else that said Warren Sr. was NOT the new villian like the AICN script review had reported. I hope this isnt a spoiler, but if he isnt then who is? Or are we assume that the Brotherhood and Phoenix are the only villians?
A: I can’t really get into detail about the film’s villains. But I will say that the AICN review was not accurate.

Q: What is your opinoin of the cinematic transition of the Hellfire Club, Nathaniel Essex and Apocalypse?
A: I would love to see them in an X-Men movie. We toyed with Apocalypse at one point. I’m a big Hellfire Club fan, and I wish there would have been an organic way to integrate them into our story.

Q: Personally, I think the Hellfire Club would fit the into the movie universe very well and could also be damn frightening and interesting villains. We've heard that Bryan Singer juggled with the idea of including Emma Frost and Sebastian Shaw into the third film when he was on board but what is your opinion, can you see them working in the film universe and would you think about including them as future villains if you got the chance? I know that Sinister and Apocalypse are very popular villains, and I can see Sinister making the transition from comic book to film and still being realistic, interesting and threatening, not so with Apocalypse, I've always seen him as a cheesy bad guy that's kind of one dimensional, what would you think about their inclusion in the franchise?
A: I think they would all be great on film. They’re all rich characters. And we considered a lot of them as we developed the story. But ultimately, the story dictates which characters will fit the film – we couldn’t force different villains into the movie simply for the sake of a cameo. Especially with these big characters, we all want to make sure they got their due. I hope to see them all (especially Emma) in an X-Men movie someday.

Q: If at some point in the future they decided to make an X Men 4 and you were working on the script, what storyline would you like to go with? Would it be one of your favourite storylines from the comics? What characters would you personally like to see translated to the big screen?
A: One of my favorite storylines is Days Of Future Past. But I’m not sure how film-friendly it would be. As for characters, I would love to write Emma and Gambit. They would be great fun to cast.

[RagingTempest]

Go Cyclops! But really though, sinister would be cool, and imo its the most probable.

I wonder how he would look on screen, I hope they make him scary looking!!!

[astonishingcyke]

yeah, and not corny lol. I hate when great villians get ruined on screen

[Leon_0]

Ya, Sinister would be cool to see in X-Men, he always looked badass and had a awesome personality to him.:up:

[PhoenixRisen]

Ya, Sinister would be cool to see in X-Men, he always looked badass and had a awesome personality to him.:up:
I put up a poll to see who people think it is, sorry if I left out anybody but I didn't wanna have a million options... :D

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I'd love it to be Shaw.

The X-Men need a 'Lex Luthor' type villain next, IMHO.

But I think it could be Sinister, or perhaps Havok.

Either way, if this is true, it would likely mean that the character has already been cast.

Retro?

[Boiiinng]

One of my favorite characters, I always wanted Nathaniel Essex to be played by Henry Rollins. He's almost a perfect fit with the face and body. The story is really rich in detail, too. Some accounts of the comic book place Essex as the scientist who discovered the X-gene in the first place and experimented on so many different people on the planet that he is sometimes regarded as the cause for why mutancy is so widespread in the world and not just to a select few. He would be a great addition to the films, but I doubt he has anything to do with X3.

[chaseter]

If they go with Sinster/Essex...it would tie in with my Mutant Massacre theory for X4.

[lordofthenerds]

I voted for Sinister on the poll. He's the one with the mos rumors bcking him up.

[EmmaFrostRules]

^^all the right characters are in place.......make way fro gambit people :D

[chaseter]

Yeap...Make way.

[lordofthenerds]

If they go with Sinster/Essex...it would tie in with my Mutant Massacre theory for X4.
Never read your theory, but I think thats definently the way to go. :up:

[chaseter]

Never read your theory, but I think thats definently the way to go. :up:
It's a thread on here. I will go revive it.

[EmmaFrostRules]

it soudns reasonably good. the mutant massacre could be good...........i dont know if the story is epic enough to make a film outa it........the next character i would love to see in the xmen films would scarlet witch

[chaseter]

it soudns reasonably good. the mutant massacre could be good...........i dont know if the story is epic enough to make a film outa it........the next character i would love to see in the xmen films would scarlet witch
It would not be a trilogy of course...but the massacre story would set us up for many new characters for more films...Gambit, Archangel, Sinister, etc...

[lordofthenerds]

It's a thread on here. I will go revive it.
Yeah, all those ideas make sense for the future. Also Arclight is a Marauder and a lot of other mutants seem to be morlocks in the movie.

[chaseter]

Yeah, all those ideas make sense for the future. Also Arclight is a Marauder and a lot of other mutants seem to be morlocks in the movie.
Yeap..it is all in that thread.

[EmmaFrostRules]

hmmmmmmm maybe if calisto and arclight argue a lot i this film,calisto could be leader of the morlocks and arclight might want to get revenge.....

[Abaddon]

wow people hear a bit of news and jump up on it like a pack of rabid dogs.

[chaseter]

wow people hear a bit of news and jump up on it like a pack of rabid dogs.
Yeap so I suggest you keep your distance.:)

[EmmaFrostRules]

exactly we need new stuff to tlak about instead of brooding over dead characters liek gambit

[DarknessOfDeath]

Es-sex... :confused: :o

[EmmaFrostRules]

yeah lol. btw darkness i took your advice about posting. i posted 100 over 2 days lol

[GreatWhiteWhale]

If they go with Sinster/Essex...it would tie in with my Mutant Massacre theory for X4.

I never read you're theory, but it's interesting to note that both characters from the Morlocks and the Marauders are introduced in this film.

Except, in this film, they're working side by side..

[EmmaFrostRules]

somethign happens? they dissagree over what happens when pyro kills quill for betraying magneto?

[chaseter]

Yeap...a lot is discussed over in that thread about my theory.

[berzerko89]

what happens to sinister in the comics? does he die?

[chaseter]

I don't think he has died yet. I don't know though...I don't or haven't read the newer ones.

[Abaddon]

Sinister is pretty much immortal

[PhoenixRisen]

Yeap...a lot is discussed over in that thread about my theory.
I like that theory, seems like a good next step for the movies... :D Archangel in the movies he could be REALLY cool, better than in the comics. Sinister would be a great seed to plant cuz there would be so many directions to go. (And Cyke fans would be happy too.) As for a brief cameo, maybe the casting wouldn't even be announced?

[Abaddon]

link me the theory:o

[DarknessOfDeath]

he's immortal??:eek:

[chaseter]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224464
It is already a thread on here and on the first page.

[chaseter]

he's immortal??:eek:
Yea...he was alive in the horse and buggy times.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I like that theory, seems like a good next step for the movies... :D Archangel in the movies he could be REALLY cool, better than in the comics. Sinister would be a great seed to plant cuz there would be so many directions to go. (And Cyke fans would be happy too.) As for a brief cameo, maybe the casting wouldn't even be announced?

"There are a great many surprises left for even the most die-hard internet fans"

(Paraphrasing Kinberg/Penn)

:P

[DarknessOfDeath]

anyone here getting a headache???


http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/X2/advil.gif

[TNC9852002]

LMAO! :p

-TNC

[DarknessOfDeath]

i think thats the most creative thing i've done so far :p

[GoldGoblin]

Everybody is gonna vote for Sinister,since that guy has the book.

[FieryBalrog]

Sinister was Apocs ***** basically, but like his master his goal is far out thier and unlike his master sinisters goals never really makes any sense once you think about it.

616 Sinister has always been pretty tedious to me, and yea his plans are always hideously convoluted and dont make much sense.

I hope they change him for the movie.

Apocalypse would be a lot better.

[TNC9852002]

I always thought that Essex would be the easiest new character/villain to integrate after this film...Heh..I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to really be the one..

-TNC

[BMM]

I always thought that Essex would be the easiest new character/villain to integrate after this film...Heh..I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to really be the one..

-TNC

I could see his introduction as being more legitimate than Emma Frost or the Hellfire Club (if they were to be involved it should be with the current film and the Dark Phoenix arc). I still think Sinister and his storyline are entirely too involved. His storyline is so in depth that I think it gets confusing even for X-fans, let alone a general movie going audience. There's so much to explain, that is if they stay remotely true to his comic book counterpart.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Same with Juggernaut.

But his history got streamlined.

[britrogue]

Is this a definate? I mean that there will be a secret character at the end of the film?

[JustABill]

616 Sinister has always been pretty tedious to me, and yea his plans are always hideously convoluted and dont make much sense.

I hope they change him for the movie.

Apocalypse would be a lot better.


This qoute possibly is the most funny thing I've ever read. Haha. Apocalypse is much worse than Sinister in those examples you posted.

[LEX]

Yes, I'd love to see Sinister in the ending. Of course, they would have to change his origin around a bit to fit the realism theme.

I think Ralph Finnes would be a great choice, but alas, I can't see him accepting a cameo role. He's one of those actors who doesn't do cameos. But if there are plans for him being the main villain throughout the future movies, I hope he gets chosen.

If Sinister is the surprise villain, we can pretty much count in Gambit and the Morlock Massacre. And since X3 is the last movie of the "trilogy", there will be a whole new trilogy. Perhaps the Apocalypse trilogy? You know, the fourth and fifth movie will build up to the Apocalypse storyline with a cliffhanger in the end of X4 and a whole Apocalypse movie in X6.

It's be great if we have the Hellfire Club in X4. After all, Kinberg did say that he would add Emma Frost. In the movies, there are always two plots, right? X2, we had the Brotherhood and X-Men teaming up and the Weapon X. X3, we have the "cure" and Dark Phoenix. They could fit the Hellfire Club somehow with Sinister in X4. :up:

[EmmaFrostRules]

i agree Emma Frost should be in......i would love to see her have a fight with colosus lol

[LEX]

Why would Emma fight Colossus?

[EmmaFrostRules]

diamond on metal
i dunno i would love that fight
who else in the maruauder's or hellfire club could have a power fight with colosus.

[OnAMission]

I will say that 3 of those choices above in that poll were in and out of the script for this film.

[EmmaFrostRules]

how do you know???

[OnAMission]

I worked on the production of X3.

[EmmaFrostRules]

ok im not going to be guilable for once. im going to say "prove it"

[LEX]

I worked on the production of X3.
Right.

[OnAMission]

You know wish I could, but I have no prove but more word, my word is all I have, and I know on these forums with the history of these forums, that's really not alot, what with all the frauds you guys have been through.

[LEX]

Sent you some questions. :)

[EmmaFrostRules]

You know wish I could, but I have no prove but more word, my word is all I have, and I know on these forums with the history of these forums, that's really not alot, what with all the frauds you guys have been through.

ok amswer me thsi question. whose powers does rogue absorb in the film then.

[berzerko89]

I worked on the production of X3.

Really? How was it likE? :confused:

[LEX]

Well, he didn't answer my questions. :rolleyes:

[EmmaFrostRules]

he bsing. im used to it now lol

[PhoenixRisen]

he bsing. im used to it now lol
I dunno, I take the attitude of believing people until they are disproven or disprove themselves (which is usually after 5 words they type) and he (she) hasn't said anything to make me doubt him (her)...
I think Ralph Finnes would be a great choice, but alas, I can't see him accepting a cameo role. He's one of those actors who doesn't do cameos.
The reason I think he stands a chance is that he worked with Ratner before. Maybe he called him and said, "Look, I have this part I'm thinking would be fun for you and it has future potential...If you do it I'll buy ya a beer!" (Of course his agent would get a large sip.) :D

[LEX]

Yes, he worked with Ratner on Red Dragon. So, that's a plus. ;)

[Neto Magnus]

I worked on the production of X3.
I wouldn't consider watching the film crew from a far distance along with other spectators, 'working on the production'.

[ljr]

Huh?

[PhoenixRisen]

I wouldn't consider watching the film crew from a far distance along with other spectators, 'working on the production'.
It's closer than I ever got!! :( I don't know the person but seems like a nice enough poster. I take everything with a grain of salt, so I say if he (she) has any other shareable info, let us know!! :D Maybe he (she) will answer Lex Luthor's questions if they aren't too spoilery.

[LEX]

Oh, the questions are extremely spoilery.

[PhoenixRisen]

Oh, the questions are extremely spoilery.
LOL! :D

[JokerNick]

Steve Carell for Sinister

[LEX]

Are you being sarcastic?

[Neto Magnus]

I think every main X-men villain should be played by a Shakespearian actor from England. Ian McKellan, Brian Cox etc.

[LEX]

^Mmm, interesting thought. Yeah, I agree. Not every, though, most.

[JokerNick]

Are you being sarcastic?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4694/sinsiter4wx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)being very, very sinister..........

[Johnny Israel]

I'm still likin Walken for Sinister

"So......you see........I need.........no.....want......the Summers.......DNA" Dramatic Pauses all around!. Ah all kidding aside, I love Walken. I dunno whom I'd like to see as Sinister, but I've stated elsewhere if they do Apoc, I kinda want Anthony Hopkins to play him.

But yeah defintly some kind of subtle cliffhanger for x3. Subtle little hints have been kind of the trademark ending for the X films. X1 had Mags asking Xavier what he'd do when the humans come for him and his students ie Stryker in X2, X2 obviously with the pheonix ending leading to Jean's re appearence as Pheonix in X3. I'd bank on we'll get something and if the rumblings are true perhaps it will be something......Sinister. Yeah that was corny but I ran with it.:)

[Neto Magnus]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4694/sinsiter4wx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)being very, very sinister..........
lol, now i'm gonna picture that every time I watch the Office.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I think every main X-men villain should be played by a Shakespearian actor from England. Ian McKellan, Brian Cox etc.


Hmm..

Paul Rhys for Sinister!

Paul Bettany for Donald Pierce!

Richard Roxburgh for Sebastian Shaw!

Sophie Marceau as Emma Frost!

Zuleikha Robinson as Selene!

Laurence Fishbourne as Apocalypse!

Jeremy Irons as Black Tom Cassaday!

Jonathon Rhys Meyers as Sauron!

Raz Degan as Shadow King!

Heather Goldenhersh as Marrow!

Kenneth Branagh as the voice of Mastermold!

Jessica Lange as Destiny!

Helen Baxendale as Spiral!

That's all I got. Seriously, by the end there I was reaching.

[BMM]

Same with Juggernaut.

But his history got streamlined.

True, but Juggernaut is just a support villain. His history and motivations need not be explained to a great extent. Whereas Sinister, if he were to be the next villain (completely replacing Magneto and the Brotherhood) and if there were to be a plot twist involving the Summers family as some have suggested, all of his motivations and exposition would have to be explained. His history could be streamlined a bit, but a main villain's motivations need reasoning. He needs a history, moreso than what will be necessary for someone like Juggernaut in X3 . . . but I see what you're saying. His character and his extensive history would undoubtedly have to be altered for the movie in some shape or form.

[PhoenixRisen]

What about....

The ROCK as Sinister?!?! hehe :D
At least he's not British or Shakespearean??
And he does have the eyebrow for it.

[PhoenixRisen]

But yeah defintly some kind of subtle cliffhanger for x3. Subtle little hints have been kind of the trademark ending for the X films.
Yeah that is one of my favorite things about X1 and X2, the reference in X1 to Alkali Lake, the references to Liberty Island and Phoenix in X2. I love the little "throwaway" references/scenes (minor subplots/backstories) in the comics that come back into play a couple issues later, esp. if they lead to something big and unexpected.

[sparky_parker]

What about....

The ROCK as Sinister?!?! hehe :D
At least he's not British or Shakespearean??
And he does have the eyebrow for it.

"IF YA SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT THE SINISTER IS COOKING!!!" lol , after he says that he layeths the smakethdown on the x-mens candy asses! hehe

[chaseter]

Who could play Sinister??? I still vote for Ralph Fiennes.

[Neto Magnus]

Jeremy Irons

[LEX]

Either Ralph Finnes or Jeremy Irons as Sinister will do it for me.

[Neto Magnus]

Ralph Fiennes as Young Xavier!

[Johnny Israel]

Jeremy Irons

I never thought about Irons, but yeah he would make an awesome sinister. Well only in close secondd to The Rock. The Nation will make an appereance replacing the Nasty Boys.

[WorthyStevens]

What about....

The ROCK as Sinister?!?! hehe :D
At least he's not British or Shakespearean??
And he does have the eyebrow for it.

Let's recast Magneto with Ric Flair while we're at it... :p

[Anton Oksehud]

Whoa... I guess the whole "book review" thread tilted this poll, huh ???:confused:

[PhoenixRisen]

Whoa... I guess the whole "book review" thread tilted this poll, huh ???:confused:
Very well coulda...who knows?!?!? :D
So far for casting ideas: Ralph Fiennes, Cristopher Walken, Jason Issacs, Pauly Walnuts, Jason Mewes*, Henry Rollins, Steve Carell, Paul Rhys, The Rock.
*I think we may have spotted out first glimpse of Sinister if this casting idea is correct...Maybe Kevin Smith will be Apocalypse?
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i169/PhoenixRisen7/silentbob.jpg

[LEX]

Ralph Fiennes as Young Xavier!
Patrick Stewart combined with the "youngening" computer as Young Xavier. :ghost:

[PhoenixRisen]

Whoa... I guess the whole "book review" thread tilted this poll, huh ???:confused:
OOPS! Disregard what I said above...I misread your post and thought you said "titled" the poll not "tilted" it..I went back and corrected it so it would make sense!! :D

[Anton Oksehud]

Mads Mikkelsen for Sinister!!!!
(Danish Actor, playing villain "Le Chiffre" in the next James Bond movie)

http://www.sandkagen.dk/%7Eabh0009/mads.jpg

[The Infernal]

Let's recast Magneto with Ric Flair while we're at it... :p

That's scary. :eek:

[Abaddon]

That's scary. :eek:



Bow before the Master of Magnetism.WOOH!

[YAVANNA]

Mads Mikkelsen for Sinister!!!!
(Danish Actor, playing villain "Le Chiffre" in the next James Bond movie)

http://www.sandkagen.dk/%7Eabh0009/mads.jpg

I like him. Looks freaky scary!!
By the way i always thought that Sinister was Gambit's daddy...

[LEX]

Bow before the Master of Magnetism.WOOH!
Lmao, I was waiting for someone to say his trademark. :p

[ken smith]

chuck norris

[_BB_]

:confused: wtf

[batboy99]

Jeremy Irons

[chaseter]

How did this thread come back from the dead...remembers all the joy of thinking who was in the mysterious cliffhanger ending.

[xii22_loop]

whats considered the actual cliffhanger ending?

magneto moving the chess piece or the Xavier at Muir Island

[chaseter]

whats considered the actual cliffhanger ending?

magneto moving the chess piece or the Xavier at Muir Island
Before the movie came out...it was rumored to be three. I guess I would say the cliffhanger was Magneto and Charles. But the bigger one was Charles because they made you stay through the whole friggin hour long credits.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

This topic will now RIP... and no one guess xavier =p

[gambitfire]

^ Because we didn't think the studio would be that stupid and original for the wrong cause.

:)

[AznBABYBANDIT]

fair enough... I didnt Either...