Le sigh...

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

TXV: Finally, Channing Tatum said recently that you asked him to come to Vancouver and he read twice for a role in the third film that was ultimately cut. Can you tell us who you had him read for?

LSD: Channing actually read in Los Angeles, not in Vancouver, during our casting process. And he read for Gambit when we thought Gambit might be in the movie.

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

The tease, the broken promises, the lies, my heart keeps on breakin'... he was in, why did they have to cut him?

(also goes to show that Simon Kinberg isn't being completely honest when he says that Gambit was never really a part of the movie, considering that people actually read for the part)

http://www.thexverse.com/interviews/311.shtml

^ You can find the rest of the interview with Lauren Shuler Donner at this link to the xverse. It's not the "X-Men 7, 8, 9, 10" one (I don't think it's been posted)

[aaron]

and to answer your question bout the dvd release, its december

[X-Maniac]

Never mind... we'll see him in X4 !

[berzerko89]

too bad gambit wasnt in the movie... sighs! he would have rocked!

[aaron]

i wouldnt like channing as gambit

[JustABill]

Channing Tatum wouldn't have made a good Gambit in my book. :o

Plus, the dvd release will probably be sooner than December. Movies come out really quick on DVD now, hit or not.

[_BB_]

Would you have really wanted him as gambit anyway? I just couldnt imagine him as Gambit at all

[berzerko89]

sorry, but im not familiar w/ this channing guy... who is he?

[LEX]

Channing is about the right age for Anna, but yeah, I don't see him as Gambit. I wonder what lines he read.

[aaron]

sorry, but im not familiar w/ this channing guy... who is he?
hes the bald guy in coach carter, i think?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Would you have really wanted him as gambit anyway? I just couldnt imagine him as Gambit at all

It's not HIM as Gambit that I'm disappointed I won't see...

It's the fact that Gambit wasn't cut out as early as Kinberg has led us to believe... actors came in to audition for the part!

Gambit was promised to us since before X2, and when we didn't get him there, the promises were that he'd be around the next time. This is the next time, he was in the original drafts, and they even auditioned actors for the part, and they still decided to cut him.

It's just hard to not feel like these guys really don't give a flying **** about the character or his fans, and have no remorse what so ever about leading us on for 3 years, only to just drop him like a bad habit, and expect us to accept their lies because they had no other choice.

:down:(

[aaron]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Channingscreenshot.jpg/180px-Channingscreenshot.jpg

[Feyd Rautha]

Yeah, there was rumours about Gambit getting cast back in July last year...so this must've been one of the guys trying out for the part.

I wonder what small role Gambit would've played. He probably would've been one of Magneto's thugs...which would've meant a quick fight scene at the end.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Plus, the dvd release will probably be sooner than December. Movies come out really quick on DVD now, hit or not.

X2 hit theatres on May 2, 2003, and wasn't released to DVD until November 25, so the X-Men movies have precedence of waiting for a long period of time before releasing the DVD.

Which sucks, because the wait from theatre to DVD was much more painful for me with X2 than the wait for it to hit theatres...

And it will be the same this time around :( I don't wanna wait until December.

Speaking of December, where did you hear December, kol?

[JustABill]

I think it'll be Mid/Late November on DVD, right after Thanksgiving some time to capitalize on the start of Christmas shopping season begining.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yeah, there was rumours about Gambit getting cast back in July last year...so this must've been one of the guys trying out for the part.

I wonder what small role Gambit would've played. He probably would've been one of Magneto's thugs...which would've meant a quick fight scene at the end.

What I'm worried about is that they took Gambit's role, and just put Psylocke in the role.

It's known that Psylocke is with the Brotherhood, and it's rumored that she'll make the switch to the X-Men at the end. That's what Gambit's role was supposed to be. And I have a bad feeling they just swapped Gambit for Psylocke, because of some ridiculous assumption that Gambit can't be a supporting character, but he absolutley, positively, must be in a lead role, or can't be in it at all.

I hate the "all or nothing" logic. It's total b.s., and hypocritical.

Pyro, Iceman, Colossus, Beast, Kitty Pryde, they all had cameos before they got their full fledged roles in a later movie, and at least 2 out of those 5 (argueable 4 out of the 5, depending on what point of view you want to take) are just as important, if not moreso, than Gambit is. What makes Gambit subject to this all or nothing rule, when it never applied before?

That's why I feel like these guys really don't care about the character or his fans, and really don't care that we've been led on, strung along, and lied to for the past 3 years. They "can't find room", and we just have to accept that as a reason why they can't keep their promises to add a fan favorite, while making room for Quill, Arclight, and Multiple Man, and all the while probably giving the role the character was supposed to have to Psylocke...

:mad:

Yes, I am mad about this. Yes I know I should be over it, as the movie is out in just over a month, and there's nothing I can do about it, and Gambit's been known to not be in the movie for quite awhile now. And yes, the movie is gonna be amazing without Gambit (just as the 1st 2 were), but when I think about how it was handled, and how Gambit SHOULD have been in this one, I just realize that it will never truly be the movie it should have been. And I will be extremely P.O.'d if Psylocke's character arc is indeed to start with the Brotherhood and then defect to the X-Men.

[RedIsNotBlue]

It's not HIM as Gambit that I'm disappointed I won't see...

It's the fact that Gambit wasn't cut out as early as Kinberg has led us to believe... actors came in to audition for the part!

Gambit was promised to us since before X2, and when we didn't get him there, the promises were that he'd be around the next time. This is the next time, he was in the original drafts, and they even auditioned actors for the part, and they still decided to cut him.

It's just hard to not feel like these guys really don't give a flying **** about the character or his fans, and have no remorse what so ever about leading us on for 3 years, only to just drop him like a bad habit, and expect us to accept their lies because they had no other choice.

:down:(

Quit being so negative. To me it obviously shows that Kinberg CARES about Gambit so much he wants him to be a character in the vain of Nightcrawler or Beast and there just hasn't been room to give him that relevance to the story. They don't wanna halfass Remy like Storm was and end up giving everyone GINO. I don't know about you but I don't want characters shoved into a movie just because "people want to see him". If X4 gets made (depends on how well X3 does) we WILL see Gambit and I think everyone will be pleased.

[berzerko89]

thats not how i pictured gambit to look like...

[Feyd Rautha]

Actually I reckon Gambit, Cannonball and Avalanche (from AICN's Prison Break scene) were replaced by Arclite, Multipleman, and probably Psylocke as well...

I can see that.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Quit being so negative. To me it obviously shows that Kinberg CARES about Gambit so much he wants him to be a character in the vain of Nightcrawler or Beast and there just hasn't been room to give him that relevance to the story. They don't wanna halfass Remy like Storm was and end up giving everyone GINO. I don't know about you but I don't want characters shoved into a movie just because "people want to see him". If X4 gets made (depends on how well X3 does) we WILL see Gambit and I think everyone will be pleased.

The thing is, Gambit doesn't HAVE to be some frontline character like Nightcrawler or Beast. A supporting role works well for him, and also allows them to expand on his character should they make a 4th movie.

Anyways, who says he will be in should there be a 4th movie? The talk after X2 was if they made a 3rd movie, we WOULD see him them. This is the 2nd time now we've been told "he'll be in the next one"

And no, I won't be pleased, because come X4, he still won't be used properly. He'll be used as Wolverine's replacement, and be fighting alongside X-Men: The Lizzie McGuire Years, because they couldn't get any of the actors back, ditched all the characters that matter, and have a core of Kitty, Iceman, Gambit, and Jones.

[berzerko89]

hmm... probably. but i think we will be seeing more cameo's in that prison break scene so keep your eyes open...

[LEX]

Anyway, shouldn't this be in the official Gambit thread?

[berzerko89]

Yeah it should, it will help keep alive the official gambit thread.

[Feyd Rautha]

Anyway, shouldn't this be in the official Gambit thread?

It's a Donner interview. It deserves it's own thread :)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Anyway, shouldn't this be in the official Gambit thread?

No, because this was actually to provide a link to the Q&A with Lauren Shuler Donner over on the xverse, so people could check it out.

Being a Gambit fan, I merely isolated the part that mentioned his character, and a discussion on that has developed.

But the Q&A is about more than just Gambit, and despite the heavy Gambit talk, this thread is about the Q&A, not about Gambit.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The thing is, Gambit doesn't HAVE to be some frontline character like Nightcrawler or Beast. A supporting role works well for him, and also allows them to expand on his character should they make a 4th movie.

Anyways, who says he will be in should there be a 4th movie? The talk after X2 was if they made a 3rd movie, we WOULD see him them. This is the 2nd time now we've been told "he'll be in the next one"

And no, I won't be pleased, because come X4, he still won't be used properly. He'll be used as Wolverine's replacement, and be fighting alongside X-Men: The Lizzie McGuire Years, because they couldn't get any of the actors back, ditched all the characters that matter, and have a core of Kitty, Iceman, Gambit, and Jones.

1. Well thats just too bad. It seems the writers want him as a frontline character. Deal with it.

2. How many times does it have to be said? It seems they did want him for X2 and X3 BUT THERE JUST WASN'T ROOM TO GIVE HIM THE ROLE THEY HAVE IN MIND FOR HIM.

3. What?? He so you want him in a movie yet your automatically assuming he will suck anyways even if he is given top character treatment?? There is just no pleasing you I give up...lol.

[LEX]

Yeah it should, it will help keep alive the official gambit thread.
Exactly.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

1. Well thats just too bad. It seems the writers want him as a frontline character. Deal with it.

2. How many times does it have to be said? It seems they did want him for X2 and X3 BUT THERE JUST WASN'T ROOM TO GIVE HIM THE ROLE THEY HAVE IN MIND FOR HIM.

3. What?? He so you want him in a movie yet your automatically assuming he will suck anyways even if he is given top character treatment?? There is just no pleasing you I give up...lol.

1. How does putting him in as a cameo or supporting role now stop them from doing that should future movies happen? And in the meantime, it gives us fans an oppourtunity to see our favorite character (and one of the most popular X-Men characters period, so he's a general fan favorite too) should there not be another movie.

2. It's called dropping the ball. Certain priorities should have been established when adding new characters. Nightcrawler was an already established character, he should have been a priority. Gambit has been promised to us since the Last Supper, he should have been a priority. Angel and Beast have been in the plans since the beginning, they should have been priorities (and were). Characters like Colossus and Kitty, as great of additions as they may be (and I love Colossus) shouldn't have been a priority. Quill, Arclight, Multiple Man, and Psylocke, shouldn't have been a priority. I do honestly feel the priorities got mixed up when it came to character selection in this movie.

3. I want to see him in a movie, but I want to see him fighting with the X-Men, not the X-Babies. Gambit is not Wolverine's "replacement", which is exactly what they are saving him for, when they can't get Hugh Jackman back for anymore movies. And I wanna see Gambit fighting next to Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Angel, Colossus, Nightcrawler, not Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, and Squid Boy. He should be part of the real team, not part of the makeshift team they have to come up with because they ran the franchise into the ground, couldn't get actors back, and had to get a whole new cast of characters.

[berzerko89]

wow... that was long.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Exactly.

The Q&A is about more than just Gambit. Click the link, read the Q&A, and talk about any of her other comments if you're not enjoying this being a Gambit thread.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I personally dont think Kinberg has been honest about a lot of things he has said on the xverse.

[berzerko89]

well... he has his restrictions due to his contract w/ fox... and he cant reveal entirely everything and i doubt that he'd make up things. but as the saying goes " anything is possibe " im guessing that we're in for a SHOCKing surprise.

[LEX]

The Q&A is about more than just Gambit. Click the link, read the Q&A, and talk about any of her other comments if you're not enjoying this being a Gambit thread.
Right. :p Reading it now.

[aaron]

X2 hit theatres on May 2, 2003, and wasn't released to DVD until November 25, so the X-Men movies have precedence of waiting for a long period of time before releasing the DVD.

Which sucks, because the wait from theatre to DVD was much more painful for me with X2 than the wait for it to hit theatres...

And it will be the same this time around :( I don't wanna wait until December.

Speaking of December, where did you hear December, kol?
i was on a dvd site, and i searched for x-men and x-men 3 was on the list, i think it said its coming out 12th of december, which is the smartest thing for fox, just before christmas

[Avalanche]

Wasn't there a Gambit casting thread? Now the official Gambit thread?

[berzerko89]

it will be a major blockbuster like the previous films no doubt about it.

[RedIsNotBlue]

1. How does putting him in as a cameo or supporting role now stop them from doing that should future movies happen? And in the meantime, it gives us fans an oppourtunity to see our favorite character (and one of the most popular X-Men characters period, so he's a general fan favorite too) should there not be another movie.

2. It's called dropping the ball. Certain priorities should have been established when adding new characters. Nightcrawler was an already established character, he should have been a priority. Gambit has been promised to us since the Last Supper, he should have been a priority. Angel and Beast have been in the plans since the beginning, they should have been priorities (and were). Characters like Colossus and Kitty, as great of additions as they may be (and I love Colossus) shouldn't have been a priority. Quill, Arclight, Multiple Man, and Psylocke, shouldn't have been a priority. I do honestly feel the priorities got mixed up when it came to character selection in this movie.

3. I want to see him in a movie, but I want to see him fighting with the X-Men, not the X-Babies. Gambit is not Wolverine's "replacement", which is exactly what they are saving him for, when they can't get Hugh Jackman back for anymore movies. And I wanna see Gambit fighting next to Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Angel, Colossus, Nightcrawler, not Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, and Squid Boy. He should be part of the real team, not part of the makeshift team they have to come up with because they ran the franchise into the ground, couldn't get actors back, and had to get a whole new cast of characters.

1. I am not one of the writers so quit asking me questions about the writing of characters...haha. I am just telling you what the most likely case is. They are saving him for a big opening sequence, big and integral part, etc. But beleve what you want that is up to you. Just telling you my perspective on the whole situation.

2. It is just hard choosing whether characters should be in or out considering the huge cast and character list. You can't please everyone in 2 hours with so many characters. The ball was dropped on alot of things because they had no choice. And all I can say is they don't want a blink and miss cameo of Gambit that will just be ignored in a future movie.

3. Well your one of those people who thinks recasts and sequels past 3 automatically mean suckage right?? No use arguing here because you already have decided that. I personally feel the franchise can goe through those stages and still maintain quality.

[Hugh'sMrs]

(also goes to show that Simon Kinberg isn't being completely honest when he says that Gambit was never really a part of the movie, considering that people actually read for the part)

OMG! One of the people connected with this production wasn't completely honest! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I seriously doubt that's the only thing they've BS'd about.

[TNC9852002]

TXV: Finally, Channing Tatum said recently that you asked him to come to Vancouver and he read twice for a role in the third film that was ultimately cut. Can you tell us who you had him read for?

LSD: Channing actually read in Los Angeles, not in Vancouver, during our casting process. And he read for Gambit when we thought Gambit might be in the movie.

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

The tease, the broken promises, the lies, my heart keeps on breakin'... he was in, why did they have to cut him?

(also goes to show that Simon Kinberg isn't being completely honest when he says that Gambit was never really a part of the movie, considering that people actually read for the part)

http://www.thexverse.com/interviews/311.shtml

^ You can find the rest of the interview with Lauren Shuler Donner at this link to the xverse. It's not the "X-Men 7, 8, 9, 10" one (I don't think it's been posted)
There were no lies, no promises...Kinberg and Penn have always said that Gambit never made it far into the early scripts...

-TNC

[RedIsNotBlue]

There were no lies, no promises...Kinberg and Penn have always said that Gambit never made it far into the early scripts...

-TNC

Yeah I mean he was considered, tryed to be fitted into the story, and thrown around during pre-production but he never was actually part of any script was he??

[ljr]

Ah man we could have had gambit-damn fox.I was watching channing tatum the other day in She's the man(yes I admit it I watched the film and liked it-oh the shame.lol) and I thought he was hot-they should consider him for x4 or the gen-x spin-off.

[aaron]

you think everyones hot ljr! lol

[ljr]

No I just think good looking guys are hot,and channing is hot.He would have made a good gambit to anna's rogue,ahhh the missed oppitunites.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Actually I reckon Gambit, Cannonball and Avalanche (from AICN's Prison Break scene) were replaced by Arclite, Multipleman, and probably Psylocke as well...

I can see that.

What a trade. Bleh.

[ljr]

LOL,got to agree.I love your name-where you one of those kids who ate the paste in class?

[MoiBijou]

I don't like that boy as Gambit, but that's just my opinion.

Anyway, I've always thought they wanted to keep Gambit for a fourth movie if Jackman doesn't want to be Logan again. Bada$$ for bada$$... what I think is completely stupid because they're different characters with different personalities, and I'd like to see my two favorite characters -three if we count Storm- interacting in a movie.

*sigh* I have the feeling that they haven't been honest with us in several things, but this is a business and they have to protect their interests. At least we know they had the idea of putting the character into the movie, though they dropped it eventually.

[Paste Pot Pete]

LOL,got to agree.I love your name-where you one of those kids who ate the paste in class?

Heh, no. It's a classic Marvel villain. Who..shoots glue.

[ljr]

Ah I have no idea who that is,purely a x men fan.

[PhoenixRisen]

I personally dont think Kinberg has been honest about a lot of things he has said on the xverse.
I dunno about the "a lot" part but I think he is deliberately keeping a few surprises in store and playing a few practical jokes on die-hard fans, and his logic behind why Gambit couldn't be in the movie seemed a little shaky. What would be wrong with a cameo? With a big mutant war at the end, and this being "the last" of the franchise, I would expect them to pull out all the stops, so I think Gambit might show up and give Rogue a quick wink and "Bonjour, Chere!"--after all it would further her arc by making her realize there are other fish in the sea besides Bobby. But who knows?!?! I half-expect Nightcrawler to show up for a sec too!! :D
P.S. I would love it if she would wink back and say, "Hi, Sugah!" :D

[ljr]

It's been confirmed rogue won't say sugah.

[GNR]

Ok seriously,the dude is not in it.I mean,is it still that much of a surprise?Come on.

[aaron]

I don't like that boy as Gambit, but that's just my opinion.

Anyway, I've always thought they wanted to keep Gambit for a fourth movie if Jackman doesn't want to be Logan again. Bada$$ for bada$$... what I think is completely stupid because they're different characters with different personalities, and I'd like to see my two favorite characters -three if we count Storm- interacting in a movie.

*sigh* I have the feeling that they haven't been honest with us in several things, but this is a business and they have to protect their interests. At least we know they had the idea of putting the character into the movie, though they dropped it eventually.
i agree

[Coreo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Channingscreenshot.jpg/180px-Channingscreenshot.jpg

He's a great looking guy, but Gambit? I think not. I can't picture Channing with longer hair.

[Angamb]

Are there pics of him with longer hair?

[ljr]

I pretty much would have taken any good looking guy,to have gambit in x3.I mean alot of the cast you couldn't pic as their characters but they worked.

[PWN3R]

(also goes to show that Simon Kinberg isn't being completely honest when he says that Gambit was never really a part of the movie, considering that people actually read for the part)



Double *Le Sigh*

I mean I know he wrote the movie, but that bit scares me. I hope he only told the half truth about Gambit, not anything else. :(

[xwolverine2]

>>>>JOSH HALLOWAY! (the lost guy)<<<<<<
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[LEX]

I'd love to see Josh as Gambit. ;) But I can't see him with Anna/Rogue.

[Octoberist]

Channing is too young looking. Gambit should be in his late 20s to early 30s. Somethint older but young enough to be a seasoned thief.

Regarding Kinberg, Nell..I knew he was stretching the truth. I really don't buy the whole "Save Gambit for later" argument since at the time, they didn't know if they were going to make an X4. And THEY STILL DON'T KNOW! Ratner even mentioned that he treated X3 as the last one during filming. (Though he's still open for an X4).

It's dumb.

Kinberg has no weight for his excuse.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gambit is NOT in X4 since Marvel has a grudge against the character. He's not even in any of the X-Men comics anymore, right? LAME.

[LEX]

Marvel...erm...has a grudge against Gambit? When did this happen?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

1. I am not one of the writers so quit asking me questions about the writing of characters...haha. I am just telling you what the most likely case is. They are saving him for a big opening sequence, big and integral part, etc. But beleve what you want that is up to you. Just telling you my perspective on the whole situation.

2. It is just hard choosing whether characters should be in or out considering the huge cast and character list. You can't please everyone in 2 hours with so many characters. The ball was dropped on alot of things because they had no choice. And all I can say is they don't want a blink and miss cameo of Gambit that will just be ignored in a future movie.

3. Well your one of those people who thinks recasts and sequels past 3 automatically mean suckage right?? No use arguing here because you already have decided that. I personally feel the franchise can goe through those stages and still maintain quality.

1. And I'm just telling you my point of view on the matter. It's happened with characters just as important, if not moreso, than Gambit before, so the whole "cameo ruins their grande entrance later" excuse is hypocritical.

2. True, but I guarantee that you'll please more fans with Gambit and Nightcrawler than you would with Quill, Arclight, and Multiple Man.

3. Yes, I do... because movies aren't comic books, and are more realistic. It will break continuity to have characters played by different actors every couple of years. And when adapting something like a comic book, that spans for decades, that we're lucky to get 3 movies out of (a grand total of less than 6 hours worth of adaptation), you have to be selective in what you adapt, and that means you can't just through in everything under the sun. You have to pic the most important characters and relationships, the most definitive. That is why I don't want to see the X-Men movies continue, because it will be without Xavier, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, probably even Cyclops and Rogue... all of those the most definitive characters of the X-Men mythos. A movie, an adaptation, using a core of Kitty, Colossus, Iceman, and Gambit, as cool as those characters might be, aren't "definitive" of the core X-Men, and shouldn't be front and center in an adaptation.

[Retroman]

Sigh indeed...:( Remy Lebeau, Remy Lebeau, where art thou Remy Lebeau?!

The fact that they were actually testing actors tells me that he was definetely a part of the script. I wonder who had the final say about axing Gambit?

[Retroman]

I can't really see Tatum as Gambit...

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/she_s_the_man/channing_tatum/manpre.jpghttp://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/coach_carter/channing_tatum/coachcarterpreg.jpg
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[lordofthenerds]

^He doesn't really have the look for Gambit. I would have dealt with him though.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I don't really care to debate or argue about Gambit anymore cause nothing is gonna come from it. All I can say is if X4 happens we will see Gambit. Goodnight world.

[LEX]

He looks too...clean. I don't know, he doesn't have the Gambit vibe, I guess.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

i was on a dvd site, and i searched for x-men and x-men 3 was on the list, i think it said its coming out 12th of december, which is the smartest thing for fox, just before christmas

It's also the lamest thing.

It's not an X-Box 360. One DVD release isn't gonna be a Christmas cash cow...

I'm gonna be so ****ing pissed off if I gotta wait until mid-December to finish my trilogy.

Can you give me a link to this site you checked out?

[Neptune]

I'm glad he isn't Gambit. He doesn't look anything like him. And i agree with Nell. They want Gambit to star in in a possible X-4? great but why not have him in as a cameo in X-3? It would have been cool epecially since this is the last of the trilogy and nobody knows for sure if there will be an X-4. Besides that would mean Gambit fans will have to wait at least 3 more years to see coolest X-man on the big screen. Yeah i said it: the COOLEST! :p

[RedIsNotBlue]

This thread really needs to be merged.

[LEX]

edit

[MattC]

I don't know why people are saying that Simon is lying. Someone doesn't *have* to be in a script to go for a casting session. He was considered very early on, I thought that was known, and very early on he was removed because they wanted him to have a bigger role and not feel forced.

IMO people should take this as a good sign, mainly because of what Lauren has said about them wanting more movies. He would be a strong character to bring in and have a lot of focus on. X4, or the X-Kids movie seems likely as people have been guessing.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This thread really needs to be merged.

Why?

This thread is about a Q&A with Lauren Shuler Donner. Gambit was one of a few topics. But there are other topics covered in her Q&A. If you don't like the Gambit talk, feel free to start discussion on one of the other topics that Donner covered.

Here, I'll even start it for you:

Donner thinks that Beast is gonna be more beloved than Angel. See Worthy! I told you Beast > Angel!

;)

Discuss...

[tonytr1687]

I don't know why people are saying that Simon is lying. Someone doesn't *have* to be in a script to go for a casting session. He was considered very early on, I thought that was known, and very early on he was removed because they wanted him to have a bigger role and not feel forced.

IMO people should take this as a good sign, mainly because of what Lauren has said about them wanting more movies. He would be a strong character to bring in and have a lot of focus on. X4, or the X-Kids movie seems likely as people have been guessing.

Yeah well most of us dont wanna see Gambit in a ****ing X-kids movie...we wanna see him alongside the real X-men. The problem here is they held off on Gambit for X4 when an X4 isn't even a certainty. If they truly were "saving him" then they better damn well make sure an X4 is made.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I don't know why people are saying that Simon is lying. Someone doesn't *have* to be in a script to go for a casting session. He was considered very early on, I thought that was known, and very early on he was removed because they wanted him to have a bigger role and not feel forced.

IMO people should take this as a good sign, mainly because of what Lauren has said about them wanting more movies. He would be a strong character to bring in and have a lot of focus on. X4, or the X-Kids movie seems likely as people have been guessing.

Wow. Somebody who makes sense on here?? :)

[PWN3R]

Donner thinks that Beast is gonna be more beloved than Angel. See Worthy! I told you Beast > Angel!



Run for cover! Save yourself, before Worthy gets here! :eek:

[Neptune]

Yeah Gambit in a X-kids movie is bad. Basicly they're telling Gambit to go sit at kids table because they won't let him play with the big boys. You know the actual X-men.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why?

Because I said so. And you intended this to be a Gambit discussion considering your title. But whatever I am kind of getting sick of my banters with you honestly.

[Retroman]

I don't know why people are saying that Simon is lying. Someone doesn't *have* to be in a script to go for a casting session. He was considered very early on, I thought that was known, and very early on he was removed because they wanted him to have a bigger role and not feel forced.

IMO people should take this as a good sign, mainly because of what Lauren has said about them wanting more movies. He would be a strong character to bring in and have a lot of focus on. X4, or the X-Kids movie seems likely as people have been guessing.
And when is that going to be? 2009? 2010? 2011? Thats a pretty long wait to swallow. Especially when the likes of Quills, Arclight and Phat are getting screen time in this movie (the third).

[newwaveboy87]

does anyone get the strange feeling that Multiple Man took over Gambit's part in the movie? like they wanted a cool character with unique powers from the books to put on Magneto's side and they original chose Gambit. soon after revising the script they thought Multiple Man would be a better addition cause they could do more with the character.

perhaps i'm just making **** up? connecting dots that aren't there...

[Retroman]

does anyone get the strange feeling that Multiple Man took over Gambit's part in the movie? like they wanted a cool character with unique powers from the books to put on Magneto's side and they original chose Gambit. soon after revising the script they thought Multiple Man would be a better addition cause they could do more with the character.

perhaps i'm just making **** up? connecting dots that aren't there...
I think the ideas was been toyed with was to have Multiple Man, Gambit, Avalanche and Cannonball as mutants Magneto breaks out. Those were ultimately ditched.

[PWN3R]

I don't buy that they are saving him for future films. He could have been put in X3 somehow. I mean Quill???

They are just 'saving' him to let people sleep at night.

[WorthyStevens]

Why?

This thread is about a Q&A with Lauren Shuler Donner. Gambit was one of a few topics. But there are other topics covered in her Q&A. If you don't like the Gambit talk, feel free to start discussion on one of the other topics that Donner covered.

Here, I'll even start it for you:

Donner thinks that Beast is gonna be more beloved than Angel. See Worthy! I told you Beast > Angel!

;)

Discuss...

This is FAR FROM OVER!! :mad:



:p

[newwaveboy87]

yeah...so what is the deal with this Quills fellow anyway? is he supposed to be like Spyke from X-men Evolution or something?

[lordofthenerds]

yeah...so what is the deal with this Quills fellow anyway? is he supposed to be like Spyke from X-men Evolution or something?
No there actually is a character named Quill in the comics.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1997

[newwaveboy87]

New X-Men: Academy...ah no wonder i have no idea who he is.
how delightfully obscure a choice!

[Sun_Down]

If they put him in as some bit part, in any of the films, Gambit fans would be complaining because his part wasn't big enough. But they obviously couldn't make any of the films center around him because, well that'd be retarded. So they left him out because they, for some reason, believe he's an important character who deserves more attention, probably starring in a solo flick. Personally, I believe that he only deserves a Nightcrawler-sized role and nothing more, but they might think he's a big enough draw on his own to possibly carry his own movie or something.

[cardslinger]

Yeah Gambit in a X-kids movie is bad. Basicly they're telling Gambit to go sit at kids table because they won't let him play with the big boys. You know the actual X-men.
Agreed!!!

[demitri_vampiro]

they could use the mutant massacre story line for x-4 and give gabit a nice intro and a pretty big role.

[GNR]

Because I said so. And you intended this to be a Gambit discussion considering your title. But whatever I am kind of getting sick of my banters with you honestly.

Pretty much what he said.

[Angamb]

It's totally clear Gambit will be next new character in the saga, so don't think more about it. and of course, there will be an X4, with Sinister too?...

[MoiBijou]

Let's forget what's happened with this trilogy and Gambit, please. If there's a X4, then we'll talk about it again and this time with a reason.

[demitri_vampiro]

sinister as a new villain. that would totally rule. maybe cyce could also get some more screentime then.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Donner thinks that Beast is gonna be more beloved than Angel.

That's because Beast is like a big teddy bear. Everyone wants to just hug him!

Right?

It's not just me?..

[LEX]

No, I need a new teddy bear, too. Beast will be perfect as Jamie's replacement (my old teddy). ;)

[RedIsNotBlue]

Let's forget what's happened with this trilogy and Gambit, please. If there's a X4, then we'll talk about it again and this time with a reason.

NO!!! Because according to Nell ANY attempt at another X-Men sequel is going to suck no matter what. :o

[MoiBijou]

NO!!! Because according to Nell ANY attempt at another X-Men sequel is going to suck no matter what. :o

Nell has got his ideas that could be correct or not. I don't discuss them. :) Anyway, I think there will be a X4 and if it's well done and Gambit gets a good part, even Nell will be happy. ;)

[WorthyStevens]

Nell has got his ideas that could be correct or not. I don't discuss them. :) Anyway, I think there will be a X4 and if it's well done and Gambit gets a good part, even Nell will be happy. ;)

You only want X4 just to see Gambit. ;) :p

[EnSabahNur]

well didnt we all know gambit wasnt in it?

[Sun_Down]

well didnt we all know gambit wasnt in it?

Well some people just wouldn't accept it, and their dellusions lead to a very big disappointment.

[DonnyLebeau]

It's not HIM as Gambit that I'm disappointed I won't see...

It's the fact that Gambit wasn't cut out as early as Kinberg has led us to believe... actors came in to audition for the part!

Gambit was promised to us since before X2, and when we didn't get him there, the promises were that he'd be around the next time. This is the next time, he was in the original drafts, and they even auditioned actors for the part, and they still decided to cut him.

It's just hard to not feel like these guys really don't give a flying **** about the character or his fans, and have no remorse what so ever about leading us on for 3 years, only to just drop him like a bad habit, and expect us to accept their lies because they had no other choice.

:down:(


Which is exactly why I won't PAY to see this movie. Brett RatBastard Simon DingleBerg can kiss my ace, cheat us out of Gambit and I'll cheat you outta profit. And I am not ALONE :batman:

[silver_arrow]

Gambit will lead the new generation xmen together with Kitty, Rogue, Iceman and Colossos sans Wolvie, sans Storm, sans Jean. And who knows probably Cyclops will make it in x4.

[silver_arrow]

"Which is exactly why I won't PAY to see this movie. Brett RatBastard Simon DingleBerg can kiss my ace, cheat us out of Gambit and I'll cheat you outta profit. And I am not ALONE "

FOX, don't worry, a lot of people in the world don't care whether or not Gambit is in.

[WorthyStevens]

Which is exactly why I won't PAY to see this movie. Brett RatBastard Simon DingleBerg can kiss my ace, cheat us out of Gambit and I'll cheat you outta profit. And I am not ALONE :batman:

Never mind all of the other great things in this movie... Danger Room, Sentinels, Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, Phoenix, Colossus, Shadowcat, Fastball Special, Iceman icing up, Multiple Man...

But since Gambit's not in it, it must truly SUCK! :rolleyes:

[tonytr1687]

Never mind all of the other great things in this movie... Danger Room, Sentinels, Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, Phoenix, Colossus, Shadowcat, Fastball Special, Iceman icing up, Multiple Man...

But since Gambit's not in it, it must truly SUCK! :rolleyes:

Multiple Man? I like what you're doing but he's not exactly in the same league as the Danger Room and the Sentinels...

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Anyway, shouldn't this be in the official Gambit thread?

I know right.

[JustABill]

The Madrox is the ****! And don't you forget it. :p

[WorthyStevens]

Multiple Man? I like what you're doing but he's not exactly in the same league as the Danger Room and the Sentinels...

Well... Multiple Man multiplying should look awesome on the big screen. ;)

[tonytr1687]

Well... Multiple Man multiplying should look awesome on the big screen. ;)

True, but we've sort of already seen it in the Matrix.

[WorthyStevens]

True, but we've sort of already seen it in the Matrix.

But we'll actually get to see the multiplying happening. :D

[silver_arrow]

Why?

Here, I'll even start it for you:

Donner thinks that Beast is gonna be more beloved than Angel. See Worthy! I told you Beast > Angel!

;)

Discuss...

No matter how cliche an angel is men still fall into his divinely appearance. Angel has a certain lure that is difficult to explain and that same lure is what will make Angel different among the many xmen characters.

And perhaps Da Vinci Code's fans would watch xmen just for an angel's presence. Have you heard of angels and demons? :)

[Octoberist]

Avid Arad on X4: "We felt that a cameo by Gambit would not be enough, so we'll save him for X5."

Avid Arad on X5: "We felt that a cameo by Gambit would not be enough, so we'll save him for X6."

Avid Arad on X6: "This is a great way to end the franchise as a whole. We have include every cameo of every X-Men character known to man and the fans will be happy. We felt that a cameo made by Gambit would not be enough, so we had to cut him".

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No matter how cliche an angel is men still fall into his divinely appearance. Angel has a certain lure that is difficult to explain and that same lure is what will make Angel different among the many xmen characters.

And perhaps Da Vinci Code's fans would watch xmen just for an angel's presence. Have you heard of angels and demons? :)

What can Angel do? He can fly. That's it.

Storm will fly. Jean will probably fly. Magneto can fly. And they can all do other stuff on top of that, like control the weather, toy with your mind, and destroy the Golden Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Angel can fly...

:p

[Octoberist]

That's why I'm not too big on Angel or Kitty.

you got Angel..who can fly...and you got Kitty..who can walk through walls. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[OnAMission]

In all honesty, Kitty and Angel are much more than what you guys are making them out to be, and when you see some of the things they do in this movie, you will eat your words.

[WorthyStevens]

What can Angel do? He can fly. That's it.

Storm will fly. Jean will probably fly. Magneto can fly. And they can all do other stuff on top of that, like control the weather, toy with your mind, and destroy the Golden Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Angel can fly...

:p

Now, Nell... :p

He has much more than flight. He has great endurance, reflexes, and can heal himself.

And need I explain how Angel's flight differs from Storm, Jean and Magneto's?

They could NEVER reach the heights that Angel could fly up to.

He's also a great scout.

Give Warren a good weapon, and he could wipe out a good portion of Magneto's army.

Hell, give him a big enough scope, and Angel could snipe you where you stand 30,000 ft up in the air without a single problem.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That's why I'm not too big on Angel or Kitty.

you got Angel..who can fly...and you got Kitty..who can walk through walls. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Well, all the Kitty fans will run in here and go on and on about how she can phase objects and disrupt electronics, and kill people when she runs through them, as so why she's so valuable...

*yawn*

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Now, Nell... :p

He has much more than flight. He has great endurance, reflexes, and can heal himself.

And need I explain how Angel's flight differs from Storm, Jean and Magneto's?

They could NEVER reach the heights that Angel could fly up to.

Give Warren a good weapon, and he could wipe out a good portion of Magneto's army.

Yea, well Beast has that endurance and reflexes also. Only, instead of flying, he will drop kick you in the chin, bounce off your head and land on your buddy over there, and break dance kick an entire group of soldiers off the Golden Gate Bridge :)

Then, give him a weapon on top of what he can already do, and Angel's bazooka will only be blowing up the unconcious bodies of Beast's victims

:)

[WorthyStevens]

I edited my post Nell. I had to add a few things in. ;)

And also, Beast can't fly. He could never have an flight fight like Warren can, as Warren has awesome aerial agility. Beast can't heal himself.

And also, Warren's healing ability can sometimes raise the dead. Now, I'm not too sure Beast could do that. ;)

[OnAMission]

Let's not forget that the force of Angel's wings could cause serious bodyily damage. He could even behead someone with them.

[WorthyStevens]

Let's not forget that the force of Angel's wings could cause serious bodyily damage. He could even behead someone with them.

At 150 m/h, oh boy could he.

[Octoberist]

Yawn!

J/K :p

[WorthyStevens]

Yawn!

J/K :p

Go to sleep! :mad: :p ;)

[OnAMission]

As a fan of Gambit myself, I think once you guys actually see the movie you'll be going ''I'm glad they waited. I'm glad they didn't cram him in for just 5 seconds."

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yea, well could Angel create something as complex as the Danger Room (which Beast will likely have built in this movie)? I think not. Can Angel create half the gizmos and things that Beast creates? I think not.

And most importantly...

Can Angel do this:

http://www.thexverse.com/assets/gallery/xtls/filmstills/X300_029.jpg

I think not...

Angel would probably get confused from not being able to comprehend the book he was reading, get all confused and dizzy, and fall to the ground unconcious from a brain overload :)

[OnAMission]

Okay, now you are just drawing strings.

[Octoberist]

I think Angel would poop in his pants while reading the book upsidedown! Muahaha! :)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Okay, now you are just drawing strings.

I hope you're not taking my "arguement" with Worthy too seriously... it's all in good fun.

I don't have Gambit to look forward to, so I have to latch on to Beast (who is my 3rd favorite character, behind Gambit and Magneto), and I'm just joshing with Worthy who's obviously a big Angel fan. Angel will be awesome.

Just not as awesome as Beast, who could create a gun that negates anything Angel could use at 30,000 ft, design a jet pack, fly up there, and kick Angel's scrawny ass :P

[WorthyStevens]

Could Beast ever do this?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/moy.jpg

Even if he had wings, I think poor Beasty would be too afraid of heights. ;)

And how could you compare building technology with raising the dead? :D

[WorthyStevens]

I hope you're not taking my "arguement" with Worthy too seriously... it's all in good fun.

I don't have Gambit to look forward to, so I have to latch on to Beast (who is my 3rd favorite character, behind Gambit and Magneto), and I'm just joshing with Worthy who's obviously a big Angel fan. Angel will be awesome.

Just not as awesome as Beast, who could create a gun that negates anything Angel could use at 30,000 ft, design a jet pack, fly up there, and kick Angel's scrawny ass :P

You've seen the light. ;)

And now I'm gonna get to bed. Night everyone.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Because when Beast kills Angel, he won't be able to raise himself, nor anyone else, from the dead anymore. And then Beast will break dance on Angel's grave.

:eek:

;)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You've seen the light. ;)

And now I'm gonna get to bed. Night everyone.

More like been corrupted by the dark side.

[FieryBalrog]

It's been confirmed rogue won't say sugah.

thank the Heavens.

[FieryBalrog]

Marvel...erm...has a grudge against Gambit? When did this happen?

It didn't.

[silver_arrow]

Well, all the Kitty fans will run in here and go on and on about how she can phase objects and disrupt electronics, and kill people when she runs through them, as so why she's so valuable...

*yawn*

Nah, it'd be childish to talk about it. I'm though interested on the realism behind these mutations.

[FieryBalrog]

Nah, it'd be childish to talk about it. I'm though interested on the realism behind these mutations.

actually Kitty would be a damn powerful mutant if she didnt have any scruples about phasing people into walls and letting go.

Messy deaths.

[silver_arrow]

by phasing people would that mean carrying people and then phase them with her? I'm just confused about the things she can do.

[FieryBalrog]

by phasing people would that mean carrying people and then phase them with her? I'm just confused about the things she can do.

Her powers are really versatile. She can phase herself (its her natural state) and in that state she can't be affected by most weapons/mutant powers. She can walk through walls and stuff and also walk on air. She does need to breathe though. She can phase/unphase specific parts of her body.

She can also phase other people so they become intangible like her, or specific parts of their bodies. She can then manoeuver them into the ground or through a wall. If she wanted to kill them she could let go, which means they would materialize in the middle of a wall.

She can also, for example, phase her hand into someones body, phase their heart, and crush the heart while its phased. Or she can phase someones organs and pull them out of their body while the organs are phased.

Theres a lot of creative stuff she can do with her powers. Oh and phasing through electronic things disrupts them.

[silver_arrow]

Theres a lot of creative stuff she can do with her powers. Oh and phasing through electronic things disrupts them.

You called that creative stuff? That's bloodily creative stuff mind you!

[LEX]

Her powers are really versatile. She can phase herself (its her natural state) and in that state she can't be affected by most weapons/mutant powers. She can walk through walls and stuff and also walk on air. She does need to breathe though. She can phase/unphase specific parts of her body.

She can also phase other people so they become intangible like her, or specific parts of their bodies. She can then manoeuver them into the ground or through a wall. If she wanted to kill them she could let go, which means they would materialize in the middle of a wall.

She can also, for example, phase her hand into someones body, phase their heart, and crush the heart while its phased. Or she can phase someones organs and pull them out of their body while the organs are phased.

Theres a lot of creative stuff she can do with her powers. Oh and phasing through electronic things disrupts them.
Now that you've said it like that, she's starting to scare me. :ghost: Well said.

[CapBeerCino]

thank the Heavens.

Now all I need is for someone to call Cyke 'slim' and im happy...

[LEX]

Why was Cykes called Slim? I never really understood it.

[Sunstar]

actually Kitty would be a damn powerful mutant if she didnt have any scruples about phasing people into walls and letting go.

Messy deaths.

Actually she phases Juggernaut through the floor in the X3 tv ad, so she certainly doesn't have scruples about it, and it doesn't seem to kill him!

[RedIsNotBlue]

That's why I'm not too big on Angel or Kitty.

you got Angel..who can fly...and you got Kitty..who can walk through walls. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Please don't tell me your really that ignorant and just kidding.

[WorthyStevens]

Because when Beast kills Angel, he won't be able to raise himself, nor anyone else, from the dead anymore. And then Beast will break dance on Angel's grave.

:eek:

;)

Beast won't have a chance to kill Angel. He'd be blown to bits by Angel's bazooka before Hank could ever touch him. ;)

[LEX]

Beast's quick enough to dodge the missiles from Angel's bazooka. ;)

[WorthyStevens]

Beast's quick enough to dodge the missiles from Angel's bazooka. ;)

Not if Beast can't see it coming. Especially if Angel would use the bazooka thousands of feet up in the air. ;)

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It's sad that Angel needs weapons to take out Beast cuz he can't do it on his own

:p

[demitri_vampiro]

Actually she phases Juggernaut through the floor in the X3 tv ad, so she certainly doesn't have scruples about it, and it doesn't seem to kill him!

i was kinda thinking, isn't it possible that kitty suprised juggernaut when she phased him through the floor and that he frees him self and goes after kitty smashing through walls. i mean he is strong enough to unstuck himself from the floor.

[LEX]

Not if Beast can't see it coming. Especially if Angel would use the bazooka thousands of feet up in the air. ;)
Now, that's just cowardly, attacking from behind. Angel's gotta face it like a man! :o

[The Batman]

Neil and Worthy are so funny.....

We all know Cyclops owns both Angel and Beast.....