Smallville writers discussion thread

[Brainiac 8]

We talk so much about the episodes as they air but rarely talk about the writers themselves.

This is so we can say what we like or dislike about the writers of Smallville. What we appreciate about them, and if we agree with how they right the characters we all love.

I'll start us off, Steven DeKnight. He's not a bad writer per se, but I have never been that interested in the supernatural, ghosty type stories he is so fond of doing.

Another interesting tid bit: Aqua was written by a guy named Darren Swimmer. I find that quite funny.:)

[Super_Ludacris]

Well you gotta list the episodes they've done in order to talk about them

[Ultimate_Superman]

I have no problem with the show anymore. I just take the show for what it is and leave it at that though I know it could be so much better

[Brainiac 8]

Well you gotta list the episodes they've done in order to talk about them

Not really, most of the people here know alot of the writers.

But for those of you who don't...http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=episode-guides/t-smallville Here is a list of all the episodes aired and who wrote/directed ect ect.:up:

[Brainiac 8]

I have no problem with the show anymore. I just take the show for what it is and leave it at that though I know it could be so much better

This is also for if there are any writers that you think have done a really good job at the writing.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think the writers do a great job when they stop with the Peter Parker story and do a Superman/Clark Kent story.

[The Sage]

I think the writers do a great job when they stop with the Peter Parker story and do a Superman/Clark Kent story.

You speak the truth!:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

You speak the truth!:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:thank but I wont get started because then it will upset people. So as I said before I just take the show for what it is and enjoy it. I just hope that we finally get a story from them where he is not always worrying over Lana I mean even Lois and Clark gave us plenty of shows where he wasn't worrying over Lois. All the time and saying when will I find that some one I can be with.

[The Sage]

This is so we can say what we like or dislike about the writers of Smallville. What we appreciate about them, and if we agree with how they right the characters we all love.


I appreciate the writers adding layers to the mythos and bringing them to a human level. The best example of this is Jonathan Kent. I always imagined JK as a man who tries to keep his adopted son going down the right path but at the same time, not knowing what the path is and being overwhelmed by that. I felt that was accomplished, particularly the former. The Pilot episode demonstrated that well with Pa Kent rebuking Clark on accepting gifts for helping people. The latter I saw occur once, in the second season premiere when the reporter called Jonathan "a man with a son whose destiny is too great for him to comprehend." In reaction, Jonathan slugged him, because deep down he knew he was right. I wish there could have been more of that instead of Pa Kent giving Clark a sermon every now and then.

What I don't appreciate right now is the way they have defined Clark's POV of his Kryptonian legacy, which is antagonistic at this point. I mean sure, with Brainiac he's gonna feel that way. But prior to Brainiac, other than the Rosetta episode and Relic, Clark didn't have an encounter with his Kryptonian roots that left a sour taste in his mouth, and he still hasn't had one yet. I don't like the idea that he isn't really interested in learning his roots. One of the things I was expecting in the begining of the season when I heard about the Fortress of Solitude being included is that Clark would go there at least one episode and learn about his blood family. Instead, in the first episode

I think if he was, then maybe we could have seen more of Jonathan Kent being overwhelmed by Clark's future destiny.

What I also don't like is how Clark still hasn't learned a lesson about avoiding his legacy. What will it take? Does someone else have to die? At least three occurrences have happened from him ducking and dodging his past.

My other issue is unexplained elements. For example, the plot with the Kryptonian stones in Season 4. That plot had so much potential that wasn't tapped. Okay, so the stones were brought to Earth. Big question: Why? Also, if staining the stones with human blood could cause a meteor shower and awaken the Discples of Zod or whatever, then the question of why the stones are on Earth becomes bigger.

Alright I'm done.

[Super_Ludacris]

I never looked at it as if Smallville was plagirising Spider-man because they both came out at the same time (2001-2002) and I figured this was just the general movement for how Super Hero adaptations were to be (teen angst, post 9/11 "postive" belief in a hero) and hey it worked.
I guess as the live action comic book genre progressed we've seen other sides (Sin City, BB)

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just hate how they did his Kryptonian roots altogether and I will not even go into how they have done Jor-El which is an upset in its own. They have yet really explored what Krypton is really like or what his family was really like. I mean if this year was suppose to be SIT they could have at least done that and yes you can do a whole show on it. I mean if they could do a show of Clark in the 50's or sex crazied vampires then you can do a show on his kryptonian roots. I feel the writers alot of times are missing what makes him want to become Superman. I mean it makes it look like Peter Parker he was forced to become then instead of he became him of his own free will.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I never looked at it as if Smallville was plagirising Spider-man because they both came out at the same time (2001-2002) and I figured this was just the general movement for how Super Hero adaptations were to be (teen angst, post 9/11 "postive" belief in a hero) and hey it worked.
I guess as the live action comic book genre progressed we've seen other sides (Sin City, BB)I look at it like Spider-Man because they are both written by the same people and they really just wrote Clark to be like Peter Parker in high school but as I said before thats their take on it so hey its what ever.

[Super_Ludacris]

But Jor-El we dont even know the full picture with him even after like 5 seasons. In the end they've written that sort of works. Why would a young Clark just accept his destiny out of the blue. In that lies the conflict and the clash.
As far as his Kryptononian roots I really think that all be found out and concluded in the last season and when he says that overwhelming retrospective (where he came from, what his legacy is, what his repsonsiblity is ) and then combine that what he already knows in Smallville it puts everything in perspective. Really the show is more about Clark Kent than Kal-El and it may bug people that they dont go all the way with it but to be honest at times that aspect needs to be played in a certain background of sorts.

[Super_Ludacris]

I look at it like Spider-Man because they are both written by the same people and they really just wrote Clark to be like Peter Parker in high school but as I said before thats their take on it so hey its what ever.

I think what works well nowadays is that it's less about the Superhero and rather the burden of being one for the alternative identity in these adaptations. At a teenage level those are the issues they face so of course there's similarites.

[Ultimate_Superman]

But Jor-El we dont even know the full picture with him even after like 5 seasons. In the end they've written that sort of works. Why would a young Clark just accept his destiny out of the blue. In that lies the conflict and the clash.
As far as his Kryptononian roots I really think that all be found out and concluded in the last season and when he says that overwhelming retrospective (where he came from, what his legacy is, what his repsonsiblity is ) and then combine that what he already knows in Smallville it puts everything in perspective. Really the show is more about Clark Kent than Kal-El and it may bug people that they dont go all the way with it but to be honest at times that aspect needs to be played in a certain background of sorts.No my thing is if your going to say a season is SIT then you need to make good on that. I have really yet to see that happen. I mean my point is I am okay with the show being about Clark Kent but once he learns what he really is then the show isn't just about Clark Kent. It becomes about Clark Kent/Kal-El and thats my problem I am not expecting him to accpet things over night but I do have a problem when it looks more like Spider-Man then Superman and I can go down the line and tell you how this show is pretty much a mirror of Spider-Man. As I said before though I am not expect to see what I want to see anymore with this show like how some feel with the movie. Instead I am just going to sit back and enjoy the show and if I see a story line dealing with Superman then I'll be shocked bt other then that its a good show for what it is.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well I think for them the idea of SIT is bringing Brainiac in, having Lex progress, Lana being more suspicous/tumoltous in the relationship, killing Johnathan etc. Those may not seem like major things for a Superman story but I guess in there minds they think that's progressive for Smallville. Indeed it has become its own story....a different perspective for Superman and with a traditional story that's been reinvented time and time again from a mainstream perspective they feel they can get away with it with maybe some murmurs from the hardcore Superman fan crowd.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think what works well nowadays is that it's less about the Superhero and rather the burden of being one for the alternative identity in these adaptations. At a teenage level those are the issues they face so of course there's similarites.Your right but as I said before the show is more of a Marvel's take on Superman then DC's take. That is why Man Of Steel was not as widely like because many felt it took the Super out of Superman and made it more of the Man then Superman. Thats how I feel with SV but hey to each his own.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well I wont deny when I first saw Smallville it was Marvel like to me. Maybe thats why I liked it a lot in the first 3 seasons.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well I think for them the idea of SIT is bringing Brainiac in, having Lex progress, Lana being more suspicous/tumoltous in the relationship, killing Johnathan etc. Those may not seem like major things for a Superman story but I guess in there minds they think that's progressive for Smallville. Indeed it has become its own story....a different perspective for Superman and with a traditional story that's been reinvented time and time again from a mainstream perspective they feel they can get away with it with maybe some murmurs from the hardcore Superman fan crowd.Once again I agree it is its own story of Superman. The problem with Lois an Clark mainly was though it was its own story it started to merge with the comics and much to many fans dislikes. Many feel the same will happen with SV as it looks like the effects of SR are starting to take place(maybe). I feel though SV changes things and make things your own but their problem is they go about it wrong. They start off good but somewhere in the middle it just goes to hell IMO. Thats just how I feel though. Take Lana for example the first 3 seasons they had her right then all of a sudden they just really killed her, Chloe is another good person putting her on the show was fine till they put Lois on the show now there really is no point for her, taking people from the DCU if they are going to do it atleast do it right and show some respect to the heroes you take. Pete another good person could have been well used but poorly done over time. My main problem with SV is that they start off good and then get lazy and think hey if we throw in TW topless here or KK or ED in their underwear there people will just let it pass and say great show and not notice we are getting lazy on the writing. Thats the problem for me you got 2 seasons left and I will bet money that out of the last 42 shows only 11 will really deal head on with Superman.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's called jumping the shark I guess, they panicked

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well I wont deny when I first saw Smallville it was Marvel like to me. Maybe thats why I liked it a lot in the first 3 seasons.And thats my point really SV is just a watered down verison of Supreme Power to me.

[Super_Ludacris]

I wouldt say its watered down like I said I do think the similarites are coincidental. They wanted to set out like, it happen to be similar to something else but in the end they gotta stick with the plan even if people say otherwise

[Ultimate_Superman]

Not a watered down Superman a watered down verison of Hyperion. But your right it has its own plans so I am just sitting back and waiting to see how things unfold.

[The Sage]

But Jor-El we dont even know the full picture with him even after like 5 seasons. In the end they've written that sort of works. Why would a young Clark just accept his destiny out of the blue. In that lies the conflict and the clash.


No one's expecting him to accept it out of the blue, but one would expect him to take an interest and learn more about it instead of ignoring it completely.


As far as his Kryptononian roots I really think that all be found out and concluded in the last season and when he says that overwhelming retrospective (where he came from, what his legacy is, what his repsonsiblity is ) and then combine that what he already knows in Smallville it puts everything in perspective. Really the show is more about Clark Kent than Kal-El and it may bug people that they dont go all the way with it but to be honest at times that aspect needs to be played in a certain background of sorts.

However at this stage in his life, Clark Kent is Kal-El. He needs to be exploring both sides of him, as he is a child of two worlds. There's too much Lana/Clark stuff and not enough Kryptonian roots focus. If they could learn to balance that and shift one to the background and the other to the foreground then it would be much better.

[Super_Ludacris]

No one's expecting him to accept it out of the blue, but one would expect him to take an interest and learn more about it instead of ignoring it completely.

Dude's 18, he aint gonna accept still, teenagers arent gonna accept responsiblity for something like that and at 18 your the most confused anyways.


However at this stage in his life, Clark Kent is Kal-El. He needs to be exploring both sides of him, as he is a child of two worlds. There's too much Lana/Clark stuff and not enough Kryptonian roots focus. If they could learn to balance that and shift one to the background and the other to the foreground then it would be much better.
...Because its a teen show and there mind they feel they are balancing it but not shifting the spotlight as much on the destiny part but the young Clark Kent part. Again this is a show about Clark Kent.

[Kane]

I hate the writers. They are the worst aspect of the show.


I like some of the cast and sometimes I even feel that certain cast members are screwed over by some of the really bad dialogue they get. They do the best they can with it, but it shouldnt have to come to that.

I'd say if it was earlier in the show's life, they should have cleaned the house and maybe hire more writers who write for the comics. Geoff Johns would have written an amazing episode.

Now I think its too late for that anyways, the show has defined itself. Im just hoping Mercy Reef doesnt follow the exact same trends as SV.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well with something like Mercey Reef where just hoping it's not Brids of Prey

[The Sage]

Dude's 18, he aint gonna accept still, teenagers arent gonna accept responsiblity for something like that and at 18 your the most confused anyways.


If he's confused, wouldn't he try to find the answers? Exploring would answer questions. Again, I'm not saying he should accept out of the blue but learning about it to gain better understanding.


...Because its a teen show and there mind they feel they are balancing it but not shifting the spotlight as much on the destiny part but the young Clark Kent part. Again this is a show about Clark Kent.

I thought the show was about Clark Kent's journey into Superman? Dealing with his destiny should be just as prevalent as dealing with the teenage stuff, or else the show is just Dawson's Creek with an \S/.

[Kane]

Well with something like Mercey Reef where just hoping it's not Brids of Prey

Ya but BoP was by other people also... but the premise of BoP itself was pretty weak. The majority couldnt care less about the 3 main characters and female comic superhero shows and movies dont seem to sell and generate interest at all.

The show just operated off a ridiculous concept.

[Super_Ludacris]

If he's confused, wouldn't he try to find the answers? Exploring would answer questions. Again, I'm not saying he should accept out of the blue but learning about it to gain better understanding.
.
He does, but he's still 18. He's still trying to fit in and worry about things like School, helping a single mother and his girl. The fact he's more use to this life is prevelent to him.


I thought the show was about Clark Kent's journey into Superman? Dealing with his destiny should be just as prevalent as dealing with the teenage stuff, or else the show is just Dawson's Creek with an \S/.

It's always been that........and it's still good. You just started watching in Season 4 or something ?*laughs like an evil giant*

[Super_Ludacris]

Ya but BoP was by other people also... but the premise of BoP itself was pretty weak. The majority couldnt care less about the 3 main characters and female comic superhero shows and movies dont seem to sell and generate interest at all.

The show just operated off a ridiculous concept.

Had the show taken itself a little seriously it could have worked but man did it mess up. I'm still not sure if in the last episode they purposely made it bad because it was going to be canned and they knew in advance (lol@ Helena and Harley fighting in slow motion to TATU's "All the things she said". I was waiting for them to make out :mad: :( )

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Well I pay little attention to who writes the scripts but I do know that probably the best episodes (with rare exceptions) were the ones written by Gough and Millar and I really do miss them on the season premieres and finales.

[Kane]

Had the show taken itself a little seriously it could have worked but man did it mess up. I'm still not sure if in the last episode they purposely made it bad because it was going to be canned and they knew in advance (lol@ Helena and Harley fighting in slow motion to TATU's "All the things she said". I was waiting for them to make out :mad: :( )

Yes. When I heard that it was a major WTF moment.

I dont think it would have sold. It just wasnt very interesting. They took way too many liberties too (alienating the actual BoP fans...the very few).

If they wanted to do a Batman-esque darker series, they should have just done The Question. He has the most potential. His 'Dr House'-like edge and personality would have made him funny and interesting to the younger crowd (as proved on JLU) and he lends himself to darker and more deeper stories for an older audience. They could play off a GTA/Soprano's esque vibe too with the crime syndicates, mafias, murders, corrupt cops etc....that stuff seems to be popular with the male audience especially nowadays

[LarryLegend]

I'm not a huge Steve Deknight fan as he wrote imho the two worst episodes this year (Thirt and Tomb) and last season's worst (Spell).

[triplet]

I'm not a huge Steve Deknight fan as he wrote imho the two worst episodes this year (Thirt and Tomb) and last season's worst (Spell).

He runs hot and cold....

He wrote and directed Ageless (almost poor drek) as well as writing Onyx and Mortal, both of which were totally stellar eps (aside from the awful twin stereotypes he perpetuated in Mortal, that is).

[The Sage]

He does, but he's still 18. He's still trying to fit in and worry about things like School, helping a single mother and his girl. The fact he's more use to this life is prevelent to him.


He quit school. You haven't been watching since Reckoning or something?:ghost:

And right now he's at least 19 or approaching it soon.


It's always been that........and it's still good. You just started watching in Season 4 or something ?*laughs like an evil giant*

Still good? You better hope the rest of this season is at a Nas God's Son level.

[Super_Ludacris]

He quit school. You haven't been watching since Reckoning or something?:ghost:

And right now he's at least 19 or approaching it soon..

I'm talking about generally, even if he quit school he's got all these others things to worry about and on top of that whatever issue is thrown at him every episode


Still good? You better hope the rest of this season is at a Nas God's Son level.

It is at a Nas God son level. so-so and I'm the biggest Nas fan on these boards.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'd say if it was earlier in the show's life, they should have cleaned the house and maybe hire more writers who write for the comics. Geoff Johns would have written an amazing episode.
God how I would have loved to see that. I mean look at what he has done for TT, IC, AC (OYL) and Superman (OYL) that would be great if they had people like that on the show.

[Super_Ludacris]

How do you think he would have written the show keeping in my mind he had to please network execs?

[Ultimate_Superman]

A hell of alot better. I mean you dont have to have him write all the shows but have him Rucka and Kelly on some the shows I bet you anything it would be much better. As I said before I have no problem with the cast I think it is a great cast. I just have a problem with the writing and if you had those 3 on at least 10 of the shows it would have been alot better then what we have now.

[Super_Ludacris]

That's why I'm asking, I'm curious to know how he would have mapped things out. No hate, I'm genuinely curious

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well for that you got to ask him I didn't even know how his crisis would map out I thought he was going to let Superboy live :(

[Super_Ludacris]

People need to get over Conner's death for real.

Proof>>> Conner

[Ultimate_Superman]

Pac>>>Proof

[Super_Ludacris]

BIG>>> Pac

[Ultimate_Superman]

look here BIG was never better then Pac. Big only wishes he could be half the person Pac was. But anyways back on topic.

[Super_Ludacris]

Lyrically BIG was better than Pac, I hope your not one of those little teenage white dudes dudes who's mistified by Pac's legacy cause the dude was real but he wasnt a great lyricist.

Oh and to keep topic just like BIG and Pac with enough preptime Batman could beat Superman and a great writer like Johns on Smallville could show that :)

Perfectly seamless link to return to topic :)

[Brainiac 8]

He runs hot and cold....

He wrote and directed Ageless (almost poor drek) as well as writing Onyx and Mortal, both of which were totally stellar eps (aside from the awful twin stereotypes he perpetuated in Mortal, that is).

You are correct, he has had some stellar episodes (Onyx and Mortal), but when he is bad, he is really bad.

I wish his writing was just more consistent.

[blksuperman2]

Lyrically BIG was better than Pac, I hope your not one of those little teenage white dudes dudes who's mistified by Pac's legacy cause the dude was real but he wasnt a great lyricist.

Oh and to keep topic just like BIG and Pac with enough preptime Batman could beat Superman and a great writer like Johns on Smallville could show that :)

Perfectly seamless link to return to topic :)

I can't believe I'm hearing this.

"They say pussy and paper is poetry power and pistols
Plottin on murderin mother****ers 'fore they get you
Picturin pitiful punk ni**az coppin pleas
Puffin weed as I position myself to clock G's"

You can't get no better than that

[Super_Ludacris]

I can't believe I'm hearing this.

"They say pussy and paper is poetry power and pistols
Plottin on murderin mother****ers 'fore they get you
Picturin pitiful punk ni**az coppin pleas
Puffin weed as I position myself to clock G's"

You can't get no better than that

Biggie:
Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns
As I crush so-called willies, thugs, and rapper-dons
Get in that ass, quick fast, like ramadan
It's that rap phenomenon Don-Dadda, **** Poppa
You got ta, call me, Francis M.H. White
in tank-light totes, tote iron
Was told in shootouts, stay low, and keep firin
Keep extra clips for extra ****
Who's next to flip, on that cat with that grip on rap
The most shady ("Tell 'em!") Frankie baby
Ain't no tellin where I may be
May see me in D.C. at Howard homecomin
with my man Capone, dumbin, ****in somethin
You should know my steelo
Went from ten G's for blow to thirty G's a show
to orgies with hoes I never seen befo'
So, Jesus, get off the Notorious
penis, before I squeeze and bust
If the beef between us, we can settle it
With the chrome and metal ****
I make it hot, like a kettle get
You're delicate, you better get - who sent ya?
You still pedal ****, I got more rhymes than "Great Adventure"
Biggie ("How are you gonna do it?")



End of discussion, now lets back to Smallville

[Ultimate_Superman]

Lyrically BIG was better than Pac, I hope your not one of those little teenage white dudes dudes who's mistified by Pac's legacy cause the dude was real but he wasnt a great lyricist.

Oh and to keep topic just like BIG and Pac with enough preptime Batman could beat Superman and a great writer like Johns on Smallville could show that :)

Perfectly seamless link to return to topic :)I am one of the only people who can say he saw every show Pac did in DC,MD and VA and NC.


But lets get back on topic and please both of you edit you post or put them in the right thread.

[LarryLegend]

He runs hot and cold....

He wrote and directed Ageless (almost poor drek) as well as writing Onyx and Mortal, both of which were totally stellar eps (aside from the awful twin stereotypes he perpetuated in Mortal, that is).

Forgot about Oynx and Mortal, loved both of them. He does have that supernatural/Buffy vibe that I don't think is a good fit for Smallville.

[TKodami]

Without seeing the scripts, it's a little hard to say exactly who my favorite writers on Smallville are. Especially since a good deal of the creative process occurs in group brainstorming sessions where all of the show's writers and creative consultants give their input on the plot of each episode.

Putting that aside, my two favorite episodes are (without a doubt) "Insurgence" and "Reckoning." Jeph Loeb and Kenneth Biller wrote "Insurgence" and Brian Peterson and Kelly Souders penned "Reckoning." Looking at it as a stand-alone episode, I think "Reckoning" is one of the tightest written episodes of this season. And I know that I'm probably very alone on this opinion.

I can find some of my favorite episode from each season in Peterson's and Souders' writing credits:

"Phoenix", "Relic", and "Forsaken" from S3
"Scare" and "Blank" from S4
"Hidden", "Exposed", and "Reckoning" from S5

Like most people here, I absolutely love each season closer and opener--most of which were written by Gough and Millar. So I'd probably have to say that Gough and Millar are on par with Souders and Peterson in my mind.

[thebigtree95]

This is something I keep updated on another website.
I can do so here if people would like that.



Quick reference writers/directors


Written by:

Alfred Gough & Miles Millar
Pilot, Metamorphosis, Zero, Crush, Tempest teleplay, Vortex, Lineage, Rosetta, Exodus, Exile, Memoria(Millar directed), Covenant teleplay, Crusade

Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders
Nocturne, Skinwalkers teleplay, Suspect, Prodigal, Accelerate teleplay, Phoenix, Relic, Delete, Crisis, Forsaken, Gone, Scare, Sacred, Forever, Hidden, Exposed, Reckoning

Todd Slavkin & Darren Swimmer
Duplicity, Visage, Rush, Accelerate story, Extinction, Asylum, Velocity, Resurrection, Covenant story, Transference, Recruit, Commencement, Arrival, Aqua, Solitude, Hypnotic, Fragile

Holly Harold
Magnetic, Obsession, Facade, Pariah, Lexmas, Void

Caroline Dries
Cyborg

Al Septien & Turi Meyer
Vengeance

Steven S. DeKnight
Run, Spell, Unsafe, Onyx, Ageless, Mortal, Thirst, Splinter, Lockdown, Tomb

Wendy Mericle
Fanatic

Jeph Loeb
Red, Insurgence, Legacy, Unsafe

Luke Schelhaas
Devoted, Bound, Krypto, Spirit

Kenneth Biller
Lineage teleplay, Insurgence, Calling, Shattered(also directed), Crisis(directed), Talisman

Mark Verheiden
X-ray, Rogue, Shimmer, Zero teleplay, Obscura, Heat, Dichotic, Witness, Perry, Hereafter

Neil Sadhu & Dan Sulzberg
Lucy

Mark Warshaw
Skinwalkers story, Jinx

Philip Levens
Kinetic, Stray, Drone, Crush, Tempest, Vortex teleplay, Ryan, Visitor

Michael Green
Cool, Craving, Shimmer, Nicodemus teleplay, Drone, Obscura

Drew Greenberg
Slumber, Truth

Ken Horton
Whisper

Clint Carpenter
Precipice

Matthew Okumura
Fever

Greg Walker
Hothead, Nicodemus

Cherie Bennett & Jeff Gottesfeld
Jitters

Doris Egan
Hourglass, Hug

Tim Schlattmann
Leech

Cameron Litvack
Reaper

Russel Friend & Garrett Lerner
Redux
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Directed by:

Thomas J. Welling
Fragile

Greg Beeman
Hothead, Leech, Tempest, Vortex, Lineage, Suspect, Prodigal, Exodus, Exile, Asylum, Hereafter, Legacy, Covenant, Crusade, Unsafe, Commencement, Splinter, Reckoning

James Marshall
Nicodemus, Crush, Heat, Insurgence, Rosetta, Accelerate, Phoenix, Obsession, Truth, Gone, Transference, Krypto, Forever, Arrival

Terrence O'Hara
Reaper, Obscura, Ryan, Calling, Slumber, Resurrection, Forsaken, Bound, Onyx, Mortal

Jeannot Szwarc
Perry, Velocity, Spell, Recruit, Thirst, Vengeance, Void

Whitney Ransick
Spirit, Hidden, Tomb

Glen Winter
Cyborg

Peter Ellis
Lockdown

Michael Rohl
Fanatic, Hypnotic

Rick Rosenthal
Rush, Visitor, Lexmas

Paul Shapiro
Stray, Jinx, Pariah, Solitude

Bradford May
Aqua, Exposed

Steven S. DeKnight
Ageless

Brad Turner
Sacred

David Barrett
Run, Lucy

David Carson
Rogue, Scare

David Carlson
Devoted, Façade

Thomas J. Wright
Precipice, Whisper

David Nutter
Pilot

John Schneider
Talisman

Pat Williams
Delete

Jeff Woolnough
Red

Michael Katleman
Zero, Drone, Extinction

Rick Wallace
Nocturne, Witness

Marita Grabiak
Skinwalkers, Relic

Michael Watkins
Metamorphosis, Jitters

Philip Sgriccia
Metamorphosis, Craving

James Frawley
X-ray

Jim Contner
Cool

Chris Long
Hourglass, Hug, Redux

D.J. Caruso
Shimmer

Robert Singer
Kinetic

Steve Miner
Duplicity

Craig Zisk
Dichotic

Bill Gereghity
Visage, Fever

David Jackson
Magnetic

[triplet]

Big Tree, do you have the list of which episodes the DPs have worked on?

I sprta keep track of it casually because I usually mention it in my reviews but not always but it's not on the Supermanhomepage list and TV.com doesn't list it either.

It'd be nice to have a list.

The guy who photographed Cyborg I had never heard of before, Les something, and they also had a guest DP for Cyborg.

[The Sage]

Biggie:
Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns
As I crush so-called willies, thugs, and rapper-dons
Get in that ass, quick fast, like ramadan
It's that rap phenomenon Don-Dadda, **** Poppa
You got ta, call me, Francis M.H. White
in tank-light totes, tote iron
Was told in shootouts, stay low, and keep firin
Keep extra clips for extra ****
Who's next to flip, on that cat with that grip on rap
The most shady ("Tell 'em!") Frankie baby
Ain't no tellin where I may be
May see me in D.C. at Howard homecomin
with my man Capone, dumbin, ****in somethin
You should know my steelo
Went from ten G's for blow to thirty G's a show
to orgies with hoes I never seen befo'
So, Jesus, get off the Notorious
penis, before I squeeze and bust
If the beef between us, we can settle it
With the chrome and metal ****
I make it hot, like a kettle get
You're delicate, you better get - who sent ya?
You still pedal ****, I got more rhymes than "Great Adventure"
Biggie ("How are you gonna do it?")



End of discussion, now lets back to Smallville

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

And we haven't even touched the "Juicy" lyrics.

[Serene]

This is something I keep updated on another website.
I can do so here if people would like that.

Awesome list, bigtree. Thanks for posting it! :up:

Welcome, btw. :)
Directed by:

Thomas J. Welling
Fragile

Awwww... I'm so proud of him. Really. *sniff*

[triplet]

Awwww... I'm so proud of him. Really. *sniff*

Yeah... our baby is growing up. ;) :D

[thebigtree95]

Big Tree, do you have the list of which episodes the DPs have worked on?

I sprta keep track of it casually because I usually mention it in my reviews but not always but it's not on the Supermanhomepage list and TV.com doesn't list it either.

It'd be nice to have a list.

The guy who photographed Cyborg I had never heard of before, Les something, and they also had a guest DP for Cyborg.

No I don't. I could try and put it together, but I'd have to go off the dvd's and live shows, because they don't list those in the episode descriptions.

Give me a few days and I'll see what I come up with.

[thebigtree95]

Awesome list, bigtree. Thanks for posting it! :up:
My pleasure.

Welcome, btw. :)
Thank you.

[triplet]

No I don't. I could try and put it together, but I'd have to go off the dvd's and live shows, because they don't list those in the episode descriptions.

Give me a few days and I'll see what I come up with.

I know some of them but the only place its listed apparently is in the end credits....

It's annoying for me since if a show is particularly beautifully shot, I like to mention who the dp was.

[Lara]

Forgot about Oynx and Mortal, loved both of them. He does have that supernatural/Buffy vibe that I don't think is a good fit for Smallville.
It's not just a vibe he was a writer on Buffy and Angel. Ok but not one of my favorites from there either.

[AgentPat]

Directed by:

Thomas J. Welling
Fragile....I wonder how often James laughs his arse off when he sees stuff like this? :p

[triplet]

I wonder how often James laughs his arse off when he sees stuff like this? :p

Actually, his middle initial is "J".... saw an image of his year book photo somewhere.

I can post it later, if you want...

[AgentPat]

Actually, his middle initial is "J".... saw an image of his year book photo somewhere.

I can post it later, if you want...Well, ya learn somethin' new every day. Still... every time I see the name spelled out - what do they use all the time, I forget - I have to laugh. And I bet James does too. Hee! ;)

[Super_Ludacris]

I thought his middle name was Eugene or something

[triplet]

Well, ya learn somethin' new every day. Still... every time I see the name spelled out - what do they use all the time, I forget - I have to laugh. And I bet James does too. Hee! ;)

I think IMDB has it listed as Thomas Patrick James Welling...

Maybe the "James" is correct (wouldn't that be cute?) but the "Patrick" doesn't appear to be right...

I thought his middle name was Eugene or something

No, that's muscles fooling with us I think.

He throws that middle name in at times when referring to Tom. He calls him "Thomas Eugene Welling."

[thebigtree95]

It was sort of a joke by using his full first name and the middle inital J, since he was the big bad general on set for the week. I don't even know what his middle name is. I was just throwing the J in there like Clark Kent's name. Most times it's for Joseph, but it could be for Jerome. Just having a little fun.

[triplet]

I don't know what his middle name is (could be Joseph), but it doesn't look like that he has two of them:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5002/wellinganuario9vo7hp.jpg

NOTE: I didn't do the squigling over other people's names... I woulda done a better job than that. ;) :D

[Serene]

This seems like a good thread to save. :)

[Kaboom]

This seems like a good thread to save. :)
you can be my superhero