Church Confirms Venom

[Iron Fist.]

Church on Sandman and Confirms Venom
Source: MSN Movies (http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/4-11-06)
April 11, 2006


MSN Movies (http://movies.msn.com/movies/hitlist/4-11-06) chatted with Thomas Haden Church about playing Sandman in Spider-Man (http://superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4077#) 3, an interview in which he talked about the story and confirmed Venom is in the film (http://superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4077#):

"[Director (http://superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4077#) Sam Raimi] and I started having really involved sessions about who the guy was," Church says. "Clearly, it's taken from the fourth issue of 'Spider-Man,' which was when Sandman was introduced and which I now have framed on my wall."

Church is still sworn to secrecy regarding plot details (he might want to consider moonlighting as a CIA agent), but he wants to let fans know they won't be disappointed.

"I'm overwhelmed every time I'm around Sam," Church says. "He's been showing me [stuff] since the beginning of last summer. 'This is what we are going to be doing in this sequence, this is what Spider-Man is going to be doing and this is what Venom is going to be doing.' It is a massive, massive process."

Check out the full interview at the link above!

[The Joker]

LOL! That makes Church,Stan Lee and Kirsten Dunst spilling the beans :D

Dammit Sony just confirm it already.Nobody is going to be surprised now.The cat is well and truly out of the bag.

[Jackpot657]

can you say awesomeness

[The_Dark_Knight]

I wounder what the people who said he wasnt in the movie are thinking now. Venom Owns....:venom:

[PWN3R]

If he is sworn to secrecy, then why would he let that slip??

I mean, thats BIG.


:up:

[Frenzy]

Is it me or do they all say 'VENOM' as if we've known about him being in SM3 for years?????? Sony should back up all the whispers now with a good image of Venom for the fans. Sandman too :)

Church drops out Venom so casually in that interview - do you think he slipped up? ;)

[GarzaUK]

Well that's that then Venom is in SM3, the origin, the journey and the death of Brock in all one "shared" film. Sounds like Sam isn't going to do the character justice to me. :(

[Nebins]

So it's official. Or officially unofficial rather. Whatever the case this is BIG news!

[SLYspyder]

hell, church knows most people who aren't in denial already know so he went about it casually.

whoever makes a post saying that venom isn't in the movie should be flamed mercilessly, cause its getting old.

[SouLeSS]

What I'm thinking, is after the first few actual slips, Rami said to hell with it, and to mention that Venom is in the movie but don't go into deails.

It makes sense to me.

[War Party]

I still think sony is waiting for comic con to make their big reveal. They probably have a big presenation and they don't want to ruin it by releasing an image of venom. So they are playing the waiting game, while the whole world reveals venom to be in the film.

[Aiden]

Just release a picture of Topher in costume already Sony!

[GoldGoblin]

Looks like more proof of the Q&A.Church has said that he is the main villain,and now Church has said that Venom is in the movie.So if Church is the main villain,Venom can't be.

[Nebins]

Maybe Sony is preparing an announcement about it and thats why all these people feel so comforitable saying Venom is in the movie.

[The Infernal]

Maybe why Sony has not released a pic of Venome yet is because they are still working on the effects and want to show him at his best. If that were true then I'd be happy to see the finished product and not have them release something that everyone will tear apart, and we know that some people will tear it apart anyway so it might as well be the best pic they can make.

[Frenzy]

They obviously read the web forums then as Church said he was shown the comments by fans ;)

So they know what the general feelings for Venom are - maybe they're about to give us something BIG ;)

[Retroman]

I'm so happy the speculation has finally ended!!!! I was pretty certain it was Venom from the get-go.:up:

http://img449.imageshack.us/img449/9030/spiderman3spidermanvsvenom0uq.jpg

*does happy dance*

[WorthyStevens]

:eek:

Awesome. I'm REALLY excited to see how Topher's going to pull Eddie off. :up:

[Superhero Hype!]

The movie is still a year away, give Sony a break :)

[WorthyStevens]

I'm so happy the speculation has finally ended!!!! I was pretty certain it was Venom from the get-go.:up:

http://img449.imageshack.us/img449/9030/spiderman3spidermanvsvenom0uq.jpg

*does happy dance*

:eek:

I'm loving that pic. Damn, I REALLY feel like playing Ultimate Spider-Man now.

[Frenzy]

:eek:

Awesome. I'm REALLY excited to see how Topher's going to pull Eddie off. :up:

Easy tiger - this aint the Village People :) :up:

[GoldGoblin]

I wonder how much screen time he has,even though he won't be the main villain.

[Morg]

The movie is still a year away, give Sony a break :)


They can't, complain is their nature :D

[Frenzy]

I can't even begin to understand why Venom would be 'second fiddle' in a Spidey movie at all :( I mean he's the closest match to Spideys powers and has such prescence...........something is still going down ;)

[WorthyStevens]

Easy tiger - this aint the Village People :) :up:

:p

This has just been a great day. A new promo of Cyclops in uniform, and now hearing Church confirm Venom. Just awesome. :D

[Frenzy]

Yay :) :) :) ;) for the Super Hero Hype :)

[PWN3R]

This has just been a great day. A new promo of Cyclops in uniform, and now hearing Church confirm Venom. Just awesome. :D

I know! There is still 7 hours left!! :eek: What else will we get? :p

[WorthyStevens]

I know! There is still 7 hours left!! :eek: What else will we get? :p

A confirmation of the Invisible Car for F4 2? :p

I know it won't happen. Atleast today anyways. :p

[Amm-arD]

so if he said, " this is what spiderman is goind to be doing and this is what venom is going to be doing" then that means..spiderman vs Sandman and Venom at teh same time??!

[Prodigy]

you know there's people around here that are still denying the existence of Venom despite all the talk from the actors and filmmakers, AND the black costume. ugh.

but I don't see how having his storyline in there is detrimental to the character. I mean this is a Spider-Man MOVIE. this isn't the running comic book like. Venom was a college student in about 4 issues of Ultimate Spider-Man, and I didn't hear people freaking out about his short storyline, or whatever. Spidey was in the black suit all of 5 pages before he got rid of it. the movie is an interpretation of spider-man just like all the comics are.... I say... if they can make Venom look cool and work great in the story, then bring him on (and I'm not a fan of Venom... but I don't know if I am a fan of this interpretation)

[Visionary]

I can't even begin to understand why Venom would be 'second fiddle' in a Spidey movie at all :(
Not 'Second Fiddle'...you mean...'Third Fiddle'...hello, Green Goblin 2.:p

[Casius--J]

Im very interested to see how his character is going to be portrayed in this movie. I got a feelin he's just gonna be a quick yet challenging thing for spidey to deal with right at the end.

[Elijya]

Wait, I'm confuised - So Venom is Catholic and he just had his Confirmation? Aww, man! I can't believe I missed his First Communion!

[Goran]

Yes baby yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!! Venom is confirmed!! Great news... really.... great.... news!!!!!! :D:up:

[The Comedian]

It's about time we had this confirmed, this is the least suprising news we've heard.. Now let the whining for official pics begin!

[Robin91939]

I can't wait to see what the running time is gonna be on this movie.

I am deffinetly seeing a cliffhanger ending in the works here.

-R

[faceplant]

gg2 had better have more screen time than venom.

[CConn]

If anyone tries to claim that Venom still won't be in the film, I'll letterbomb their house. :down

[Mrpaul]

Sony , Sam say something please!!!!!!

[Mrpaul]

The suspense is killing

[scifiwolf]

Wait, I'm confuised - So Venom is Catholic and he just had his Confirmation? Aww, man! I can't believe I missed his First Communion!
LMFAO...

I was really encouraged to read that he and Raimi were reading feedback from fans on message boards.

[stillanerd]

Well, I think once we saw Spidey in the "black" symbiote costume that Venom was right around the corner. Church saying Venom is going to be in the movie just underscores what was becoming fairly obvious.

[GoldGoblin]

gg2 had better have more screen time than venom.

^He will be,At the beginning of the movie and at the end of the movie,and Venom will only be in the end of the movie fighting.

[Visionary]

The trailers are going to be INSANE for this film. Can't wait.:cool:

[GoldGoblin]

The trailers are going to be INSANE for this film. Can't wait.:cool:

^People wanted more action,looks like we will have it.

[Amm-arD]

i cant waittt for the trailer..gna be crzzyy!

[GoldGoblin]

I bet we will see something major at Comic Con.

[Trevor Goodchild]

That must be the most disgraceful confirmation ever.
You think people would show some respect to someone who's trying hard to keep a secret surprise till the very end but noooo!!!

[Amm-arD]

Yeah more cash would actually be raked in if they had just a teaser and not a proper trailer! Everyone would wanna see the film!

[WorthyStevens]

That must be the most disgraceful confirmation ever.
You think people would show some respect to someone who's trying hard to keep a secret surprise till the very end but noooo!!!

Tell that to Kirsten. :p

[liesse00]

I'm thinking Church got the go ahead to say that Venom is in the movie but not mention his role or talk about the plot. He's been pretty good at keeping things under wraps.

[BizarroAids]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Trevor Goodchild]

Tell that to Kirsten. :p
Yeah, I'm still angry at her. She started it all! :mad:

I'm thining Church got the go ahead to say that Venom is in the movie but not mention his role or talk about the plot. He's been pretty good at keeping things under wraps.
Why not finally announce it officially then?

[BizarroAids]

Yeah, I'm still angry at her. She started it all! :mad:


Why not finally announce it officially then?


To keep these kinds of threads active with hype:)

[MrSelfDestruct]

"I think I just saturated my Speedo!"

-David Duchovny

[Spider-Bite]

I can't even begin to understand why Venom would be 'second fiddle' in a Spidey movie at all :( I mean he's the closest match to Spideys powers and has such prescence...........something is still going down ;)

Having Venom's first movie as a side villain instead of a main villain will probably help them save some of his chracter to be fleshed out when they bring in Carnage later down the road. they want to save some venomous stuff for that movie probably. Otherwise the symbiote would get old and boring.

[Compi716]

So Venom is now "officially" confirmed, eh?

ROCK ON!!! I'm ready for Spidey 3 to be AMAZING!

[Trevor Goodchild]

To keep these kinds of threads active with hype:)Oh please! As if any announcement prior to the movie release is going to stop you. :rolleyes:

[jaycrawler]

There has been so much slip ups from practically everybody these past few months, to think that everybody is being sworn to secrecy, that I can't help feeling that Sony is behind this intentionally...Well they better make sure that whatever they're brewing is worth the wait for everybody!

[Spider-Bite]

Oh please! As if any announcement prior to the movie release is going to stop you. :rolleyes:

LOL:)

[GoldGoblin]

Having Venom's first movie as a side villain instead of a main villain will probably help them save some of his chracter to be fleshed out when they bring in Carnage later down the road. they want to save some venomous stuff for that movie probably. Otherwise the symbiote would get old and boring.

^I agree,and it's a smart move.

[E.Brock]

http://www.fanlistings.org/venom/images/alien_symbiote.jpg venom on the big screen.....thanks god

[Visionary]

Have the people of Rome been notified about this...for they await our word?

[Symbiotica]

.... Brilliant. Can the press-releases for this crap get any more coordinated? LOL Everyone is ignoring their gag-orders, brilliant stuff. :up:

[Cmill216]

Am I the only one that finds his quote to be REALLY flippin' odd? I mean, he just COMPLETELY blurted that out like it was nothing. He could have said anything else BUT Venom (like the Green Goblin or something), but he simply said Venom? I mean, I'm not doubting Venom will be in this film in some form or fashion, but this quote seems kinda fishy. Meh. That's me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

.... Brilliant. Can the press-releases for this crap get any more coordinated? LOL Everyone is ignoring their gag-orders, brilliant stuff. :up:

It's organized. Totally. Choreographed even.

[War Party]

I think msn is pretty reliable. and it is an interview, so how's it fishy?

[-Z-]

I've been thinkin about this, and seein people complain about venom being second to sandman...and what i think is that even though sandman is the "main villain" i think that topher/eddie is going to be the "main character." Even though he's not the main villain, i feel that eddie/venom will still be shown justice, otherwise they wouldn't have used him.

[Cmill216]

I think msn is pretty reliable. and it is an interview, so how's it fishy?

Not MSN, but Church's comment itself. It just seemed out of nowhere.

[Immortalfire]

Odd how everyone seems to be forgetting that Brock has to be first. Said name hasn't been mentioned by these supposed sources at all.

[Trevor Goodchild]

It's organized. Totally. Choreographed even.Then just by seeing us suspect/be sure of that makes it the worst hoax ever.
I'm not convinced of anything yet.

Odd how everyone seems to be forgetting that Brock has to be first. Said name hasn't been mentioned by these supposed sources at all.
Everyone is after the meat only. They leave the bones to the dogs.

[Trevor Goodchild]

double post...

[Cmill216]

Everyone is after the meat only. They leave the bones to the dogs.

So true. :D

[-Z-]

Sandman may be the "main villain" but eddie will be the main character...at least thats what i think

["Iron Man"]

Great! It's (FINALLY) confirmed! Way to go THC!

I really never thought TG was a bad choice for Brock acting wise, but size wise (hey it rhymes) he just doesn't fit the profile. But I can't wait to see that movie, and him and his evil presence. Gives me chills. I wonder...................I wonder if they've shot Venom's transformation scene yet.....?

But great news!:up:

Now we can just wait for the teaser trailer in August, which hopefully is better than the Superman Returns teaser. That one wasn't worth the effort! But the X3 teaser was good! Hopefully this one will be....

[JustABill]

Ahhh, dude. This movie is going to be really good.

[chesslover]

**** Venom. Will there be SNAKES ON A PLANE in Spider-Man 3? <crosses fingers> :)

[Bat Brain]

Well, I can't say Venom would have been my first choice as villain for 3 but I'm looking forward to seeing how he turns out on screen.

[Gamma Burst]

This is f**n' great!

[GoldGoblin]

So spidey fights a guy made out of sand,a guy who has the same powers as him,and his best friend.Sounds pretty good to me.

[E.Brock]

same powers with far greater strength.....hopefully

[GoldGoblin]

same powers with far greater strength.....hopefully

^Sounds like there just going for an evil spidey version.

[The Lumberjack]

Suck it Venom haters. Drop down and suck it hard. Make it look like you like it.:mad::up:

[superkong 500]

^Sounds like there just going for an evil spidey version.

We don't know thta yet, we may be in for a surprise, raimi knows that he can't change venom too much,he knows venom has a huge fanbase and he won't dissapoint them.

[Arcturus]

I hate to say I told you so, I've been saying it for years, Venom would be in SM-3.

[TheCardPlayer]

This is no confirmation. Everyone knew that Venom was in the film even before the black suit pic.

[Cmill216]

^Sounds like there just going for an evil spidey version.

GG's on a glider, Ock's got 4 tentacles, Venom's bigger than Spidey. If he's the same size, he's not Venom. I don't give a damn what lakiamai said. He may have said some things that may have been right, but I'm not buying everything he said like it was some prophetic word, Gold.

A Venom the same size as Spidey = VINO. :o

[Spider-Grrl1516]

Too true, too true.

["_____"]

Well that's that then Venom is in SM3, the origin, the journey and the death of Brock in all one "shared" film. Sounds like Sam isn't going to do the character justice to me. :(

why is he gonna die? dont say he'll die because all the villians die at the end. so does that mean Sand, GG and venom are gonna die....not gonna happen

[webhead731]

Yes! I'm glad Venom is in this movie!

I can't wait!:up:

["_____"]

this may not have anything to do with the film, but maybe it is a sign of whats to come http://joblo.com/index.php?id=10965
sorry if this has been posted

[freelancer]

So spidey fights a guy made out of sand,a guy who has the same powers as him,and his best friend.Sounds pretty good to me.

Me too. :up:

[TheCardPlayer]

That kinda sucks really. Venom will be nothing like in the comics and he'll die. He should have been in his own movie with just Spidey and him.

Damn you fanboys who had Raimi put him in.

[Radford]

i d feel fairly safe betting Brock/Venom will occupy more than just one SM film. same for Harry in Gobbie garb.

[War Party]

why do people keep saying venom/brock is going to die?

[TheCardPlayer]

why do people keep saying venom/brock is going to die?The Q and A.

[Arcturus]

why do people keep saying venom/brock is going to die?

The famous "Q&A" as some say.

:rolleyes:

[War Party]

that Q/A isn't exactly the bible. the guy was right about 1 or 2 things, but could still be wrong about everything else.

[E.Brock]

if they kill him off like a half rate villian then ill kill raimi off personally

[TheCardPlayer]

The famous "Q&A" as some say.

:rolleyes:Church talks about a fight between Spidey, Venom and him. Like the Q and A said. The Q and A confirmed many things.

[E.Brock]

if they kill him off like a half rate villian then ill kill raimi off personally

[Cmill216]

The famous "Q&A" as some say.

:rolleyes:

So, I'm not the only one believing that thing as the Gospel. And here I thought I was crazy.

Lakiamai has one check off that Q & A checklist. That's it. ...Oh and don't give me that alley scene bulls***, people. Those blurry a$$ photos don't prove a damn thing.

[E.Brock]

didnt mean the double post

[War Party]

and anyone can say there is a fight between venom, spidey, and sandman. it's not hard to come up with that if you have an idea who the characters in the story are.

[Arcturus]

didnt mean the double post

You are forgiven this time...

[E.Brock]

haha and what happens the next time mr. 7,144 posts

[marvel_boy]

we need some great spidey & venom fights!!!

[superkong 500]

In the first two movies spidey gets his ass kicked by the villain,in this one I think he will almost get killed, I mean sandman alone will be an almost impossible one to beat,venom that's another story, he will really wip spidey's ass,I only hope that spidey gets really angry and gives his all andfor the first time fights to kill when fighting venom,that's the only way he will be able to atleast do some damage to him,I really want to see spidey let loose against venom and punch and kick him like there's no tomorrow.
the final battle should be the fight to end all fights.

[Warhammer]

The thing I am wondering about is the whole sworn to secretcy thing.
If Thomas Haden Church was sworn to secretcy, why would he spill the beans about Venom like it was nothing?

Oh well, Raimi knows what he's doing, so even though I didnt want Venom in this flick, I am pretty sure the film will deliver. Goblin is in this one, so I am happy.

[Cmill216]

The thing I am wondering about is the whole sworn to secretcy thing.
If Thomas Haden Church was sworn to secretcy, why would he spill the beans about Venom like it was nothing?


That's what I've been trying to say. It seems too easy...

[The Comedian]

This seems co-ordinated to me, we get the venom confirmation trifecta or Stan Lee, Ted Raimi, and THC as well as the official site within 2 weeks of each other. Methinks Sony is up to something, but I'd be suprised if we see a Venom pic before comiccon,

[TheCardPlayer]

Let's all email Sony and request a Venom pic. NOW!

[War Party]

This seems co-ordinated to me, we get the venom confirmation trifecta or Stan Lee, Ted Raimi, and THC as well as the official site within 2 weeks of each other. Methinks Sony is up to something, but I'd be suprised if we see a Venom pic before comiccon,

I think comiccon is where it's all going to happen.

[WorthyStevens]

The thing I am wondering about is the whole sworn to secretcy thing.
If Thomas Haden Church was sworn to secretcy, why would he spill the beans about Venom like it was nothing?

Oh well, Raimi knows what he's doing, so even though I didnt want Venom in this flick, I am pretty sure the film will deliver. Goblin is in this one, so I am happy.

This kind of reminds me of when Brett Ratner spilled the beans on Sentinels for X3.

[Cmill216]

This kind of reminds me about Brett Ratner confirming Sentinels for X3.

Can you dig up a quote for that?

[TheCardPlayer]

hahaha it's not venom1111

its' the Hobgoblin!!!! venom is not in the movieee1111


Remember bunglefreak anyone? I wonder what he'll say. :D

[The Kid]

tell me something I don't know, church.

[Arcturus]

hahaha it's not venom1111

its' the Hobgoblin!!!! venom is not in the movieee1111


Remember bunglefreak anyone? I wonder what he'll say. :D

Don't forget that "interview" where James Franco said there was no cliffhanger ending, the interview which seem's to be in hiding or has cloak mode on or something.

lol.

:O

[WorthyStevens]

Can you dig up a quote for that?

I can't find the exact quote. But anyone on the X3 spoilers section can back me up on this. I know the quote went something like this though, "I've been able to do things that haven't been done before in these movies, such as the Danger Room, Sentinels."

[WorthyStevens]

Let's all email Sony and request a Venom pic. NOW!

That'll be kind of hard to get. :p

[TheCardPlayer]

:D

OMG! That interview proves......Chameleon! That's why we can't find it!

[Cmill216]

I can't find the exact quote. But anyone on the X3 spoilers section can back me up on this. I know the quote went something like this though, "I've been able to do things that haven't been done before in these movies, such as the Danger Room, Sentinels."

Okay cool. Thanks.

[War Party]

I can't find the exact quote. But anyone on the X3 spoilers section can back me up on this. I know the quote went something like this though, "I've been able to do things that haven't been done before in these movies, such as the Danger Room, Sentinels."

that interview does exsist, but I couldn't find it when I searched for it.

[TheCardPlayer]

that interview does exsist, but I couldn't find it when I searched for it.Indeed. I saw it too on the X3 board.

[War Party]

Indeed. I saw it too on the X3 board.

yeah, but for some reason I can't find the damn thing.

[The Lizard]

Suck it Venom haters. Drop down and suck it hard. Make it look like you like it.:mad::up:

I was never a Venom-hater, just someone who thought Venom had no business showing up in the Spidey franchise at this point.

So yeah, Venom will be in SM3....but in what form? I really don't know if I'd consider this a "victory" for true Venom fans or not.

This is kind of like me finding out that the Lizard was going to be in SM3, but that he was going to be shoved into a storyline along with Sandman, Gwen and GG2, and Dr. Connors was going to be played by Ashton Kutcher.
:(

[TheCardPlayer]

I was never a Venom-hater, just someone who thought Venom had no business showing up in the Spidey franchise at this point.

So yeah, Venom will be in SM3....but in what form? I really don't know if I'd consider this a "victory" for true Venom fans or not.

This is kind of like me finding out that the Lizard was going to be in SM3, but that he was going to be shoved into a storyline along with Sandman, Gwen and GG2, and Dr. Connors was going to be played by Ashton Kutcher.
:(You hit the head on the nail or something like that.

Venom will suck, I am sure of that....I am pained that my favorite comic character will be wasted forever like this.

[War Party]

You hit the head on the nail or something like that.

Venom will suck, I am sure of that....I am pained that my favorite comic character will be wasted forever like this.

Everything will be ok.

[TheCardPlayer]

Everything will be ok.How can it be okay. Venom is one of Spidey's top three villains with GG and Doc Ock...A movie dedicated to the whole of them can showcase them to their bests.

Now Venom is stuck with Sandman as the main villain and he'll only appear near the end, just to be killed. That's horrible!

[War Party]

you don't know for sure that he's going to be killed. I don't know if he is, but I'm not saying no or yes about it. that Q/A is not set in stone...yet.

[liesse00]

The thing I am wondering about is the whole sworn to secretcy thing.
If Thomas Haden Church was sworn to secretcy, why would he spill the beans about Venom like it was nothing?

Oh well, Raimi knows what he's doing, so even though I didnt want Venom in this flick, I am pretty sure the film will deliver. Goblin is in this one, so I am happy.

I'm thinking Church got the go ahead to say that Venom is in the movie but not mention his role or talk about the plot. He's been pretty good at keeping things under wraps.

[InsomniacFreak]

.... Brilliant. Can the press-releases for this crap get any more coordinated? LOL Everyone is ignoring their gag-orders, brilliant stuff. :up:

This seems co-ordinated to me, we get the venom confirmation trifecta or Stan Lee, Ted Raimi, and THC as well as the official site within 2 weeks of each other. Methinks Sony is up to something, but I'd be suprised if we see a Venom pic before comiccon,

When Spidey Maguire slips up and reveals something too then I might concur with the both of you that these slip ups are a choreographed Sony ploy to generate hype. But since prying info from Maguire is as likely as an ant birthing an elephant..........we may never know.


One thing that is puzzling from the article is the mention at the bottom that Spider-man 3 wraps production in June. This doesn't seem REMOTELY possible. I wonder if they mean principal photography wraps. Surely not production. That doesn't seem possible, does it? Maybe, dunno though. *gets excited just thinking about it*

[Cmill216]

When Spidey Maguire slips up and reveals something too then I might concur with the both of you that these slip ups are a choreographed Sony ploy to generate hype. But since prying info from Maguire is as likely as an ant birthing an elephant..........we may never know.


One thing that is puzzling from the article is the mention at the bottom that Spider-man 3 wraps production in June. This doesn't seem REMOTELY possible. I wonder if they mean principal photography wraps. Surely not production. That doesn't seem possible, does it? Maybe, dunno though. *gets excited just thinking about it*

Remember, Banks said they had about 60 days of shooting left a couple of weeks ago, so that is VERY possible and likely the case.

[InsomniacFreak]

:up: :up: I guess post production work doesn't count as "production" huh? :confused:

[Cmill216]

:up: :up: I guess post production work doesn't count as "production" huh? :confused:

No. Of course not. They'll be doing post probably up until the release. :D That's how it goes.

[GoldGoblin]

How can it be okay. Venom is one of Spidey's top three villains with GG and Doc Ock...A movie dedicated to the whole of them can showcase them to their bests.

Now Venom is stuck with Sandman as the main villain and he'll only appear near the end, just to be killed. That's horrible!

^It's better if these movies focus on spidey and not on the villains like how the past Batman movies did.

[War Party]

Well spidey wears the symbiote. isn't that dealing with spider-man right there. it looks like the movie is going to be about him.

[TheCardPlayer]

From the IMDB:

''*sigh* here we go again with the interview b.s. Thomas Haden Church speaks for Thomas Haden Church, NOT Sony. same goes for Kirsten Dunst, Stan Lee, Elizabeth Banks and anybody else you people love quoting from. ''

''there's nothing to admit until Sony makes anything official. ''


Hahaha! I love that place.

[War Party]

they're retarded.

[TheCardPlayer]

they're retarded.You tell me...and that's the same guy anyway.

[Cmill216]

Well spidey wears the symbiote. isn't that dealing with spider-man right there. it looks like the movie is going to be about him.

And how quickly we forget Banks' statement:

(something like this) "This movie is about the power a superhero has, and what you do with it, blah blah." And didn't Adrian Lester (one of the 100 lab assitstants) say this movie focuses a lot on Peter Parker? Something is not adding up...

[TheCardPlayer]

And how quickly we forget Banks' statement:

(something like this) "This movie is about the power a superhero has, and what you do with it, blah blah." And didn't Adrian Lester (one of the 100 lab assitstants) say this movie focuses a lot on Peter Parker? Something is not adding up...It does perfectly add up. :confused:

[The Joker]

And how quickly we forget Banks' statement:

(something like this) "This movie is about the power a superhero has, and what you do with it, blah blah." And didn't Adrian Lester (one of the 100 lab assitstants) say this movie focuses a lot on Peter Parker? Something is not adding up...

No the stunt co-ordinator guy,who incidentally was the guy who took a surgical saw to one of Ock's tentacles in the hospital massacre scene,said the movie focuses more on Peter.

Adrian Lester is the guy who's hired as one of the scientists who "Tries to cure the villain of whatever badness he's got".

[Radford]

I was never a Venom-hater, just someone who thought Venom had no business showing up in the Spidey franchise at this point.

So yeah, Venom will be in SM3....but in what form? I really don't know if I'd consider this a "victory" for true Venom fans or not.

:(

well said. ive been a huge Venom fan since his inception but im still not sold on all this, i believe hes in the movie, but how well he ll be portrayed... im definitely largely skeptical, theres alot of room to **** it up, given what we know

[Gamma Burst]

^It's better if these movies focus on spidey and not on the villains like how the past Batman movies did.

Agreed,Goblin:spidey:

[CaptainStacy]

Mixed feelings on MY part....

On one hand, i'm happy Venom is finally getting his silver screen debut...on the other hand, it sounds like he'll be playing second fiddle to Sandman and Gwen Stacy, which will suck.

To me, Spidey/Parker vs Brock/Venom is a story that warrants it's OWN feature-length movie, not shared screen time with other characters.

Oh well....

[Frodo]

I think the film is crowded enough as is . If I had my drothers , I'd have Sandman and Lizard only instead of Sandman , Venom and Harry but the die is cast. Let's hope that it's a good story and not an overcrowded mess in the sense Batman and Robin was.:spidey:

[Symbiotica]

When Spidey Maguire slips up and reveals something too then I might concur with the both of you that these slip ups are a choreographed Sony ploy to generate hype.

I never said this was some plot by Sony to generate hype; what I said was that it is damn funny [funny as in: hilarious, not funny as in: peculiar] that everyone signed a contract with a big "gag" clause in it, and it seems like almost everyone is throwing that to the wind and letting stuff slip all over the place.

I still stand by that. This train-wreck of "hype-building" is indeed very funny - to me, at least. Truly the right hand knoweth not what the left hand has just blabbed to the media :D Sony should fine 'em all for breaking contract.

[Trevor Goodchild]

Has anybody else been thinking about a two movie deal a la Matrix and Kill Bill?
Now that would be great.
And would certainly explain the crowded cast.
Well, you know, just a wet dream of mine…

[ball359]

Come on poeple,

I may be a newbie but even I know Sam won't have Sandman, probably GG2 and Venom fight Venom in the same movie. The black suit is setting up S4.

U frackin idiots!

[SuperDaniel]

Awesome!!!

[ball359]

I mean SPIDER-MAN!

[Arcturus]

WTF?!

Why should they put Venom, GG2 and Sandman in one film, when The Walrus, Stiltman and Typeface would be blockbuster material!

Damn!

...

[Punisher RULES]

intelligent speaking and grammar be damned

this is great news

HELLLLLLZZZ YEAH:up:

[SpiderB]

well said. ive been a huge Venom fan since his inception but im still not sold on all this, i believe hes in the movie, but how well he ll be portrayed... im definitely largely skeptical, theres alot of room to **** it up, given what we know

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.

[Arcturus]

intelligent speaking and grammar be damned

this is great news

HELLLLLLZZZ YEAH:up:

:up: :up: :up:

[War Party]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.

I agree that he has to be believable in a live action film and there is nothing wrong with making the necessary changes to make it work.

[Pickle-El]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.


Best post I've read on the Spiderman forums in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time....I hope people are paying attention.

[War Party]

Best post I've read on the Spiderman forums in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time....I hope people are paying attention.

I agree with that statement.

[Arcturus]

I never said this was some plot by Sony to generate hype; what I said was that it is damn funny [funny as in: hilarious, not funny as in: peculiar] that everyone signed a contract with a big "gag" clause in it, and it seems like almost everyone is throwing that to the wind and letting stuff slip all over the place.

I still stand by that. This train-wreck of "hype-building" is indeed very funny - to me, at least. Truly the right hand knoweth not what the left hand has just blabbed to the media :D Sony should fine 'em all for breaking contract.

Yeah, I couldn' agree more Sym. The feathers are ruffled, what will happen next?

Stay tuned.

[E.Brock]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.....hate to admit it but i do agree with you to the fullest....im curious to see what route they will take though

[Dr. Lankyman]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.
Couldn't agree more, my friend :up:

[Symbiotica]

* * *

[Arcturus]

Venom, in name only.

Oh, I should also add;

People keep saying, "Well as long as he can act", with this, couldn't they just have made Topher Grace as Doctor Octopus in SM-2? I mean as long as he can act.

I fear the worst, Sym.

:(

[retswerb]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.

:up: Agree. I'm not certain if this has been mentioned before, but your post definitely brings this idea in mind, considering raimi's past horror genre. I am also not a big Venom fan; but, with Topher being the size he is AND with the Brock storyline, a more "vampire"-like character (ala Morbius and ManWolf) would definitely be a Raimi-like script. And everyone keeps considering SCREEN TIME for all of the possible characters. If full Venom only appears at the very end, they could have Sandman "seem" like the major plot throughout the movie, with Harry side-plot, and "vampire/slasher" unsolved murders happening throughout the movie being blamed on (most probably black suit spidey), but hopefully on Sandman (who isn't a killer, which is where his family might come in). God, I am hoping that SM never knows he had the symbiote on until the end of the movie. Because IMO, the way this would work out best would be that while Parker slept, the symbiote took him, did the evil deeds, and let him wake up and never see him. Then have Brock and Symbiote meetup at the end with Parker thinking that he was only having nightmares. That would be a Raimi type movie and a way to weave subplots without having to have battles with 3 villains throughout the entire movie. I realize I didn't say much re: GG2, but hell, he could weave the Harry plot throughout this movie like he did the last one. It certainly didn't suck then and it probably wouldn't now.

[Trevor Goodchild]

People keep saying, "Well as long as he can act", with this, couldn't they just have made Topher Grace as Doctor Octopus in SM-2? I mean as long as he can act.
Oh yeah, Avi's idea of a younger Dock Ock for a potential love triangle with MJ and Peter still gives me nightmares.

*shiver* :(

[Arcturus]

Oh yeah, Avi's idea of a younger Dock Ock for a potential love triangle with MJ and Peter still gives me nightmares.

*shiver* :(

LOL;

Look;

Topher Grace as Venom, in my books I disagree with the casting choice. But I don't really care anymore, i'm still going to go see SM-3 regardless. Because in the end, that's all it is really, a movie. I loved the first two Spider-Man movies, I see no reason why SM-3 wont be any good. Spider-Man is my favorite comic book character, and recently, movies, and i'm pleased to see that he's finally on the big-screen. SM-3 has Sandman, GG2 and Venom, now thats a tripple whopper. But this is all just my opinion.

[Spidey-Sean]

Whoops, I forgot to say "yay" too about Venom being in the movie. . . . . . "yay!":venom: I do like Venom though!

[Spider-Bite]

But this inevitably leads us back to the inescapable problem:

If you have a "Venom" who...

*who's host looks completely different from 616 Brock

*who is probably much smaller than 616 Venom [I seriously doubt they will make him bigger, smaller makes more logical sense]

*has a completely different-looking symbiote

*probably has a completely different motivation [as in, probably dating Gwen Stacy - I don't see the religious motivation being used here, it has the potential to offend too many]

... first, how is that the "Venom" you claim to be a fan of, and second... why would you even be interested in seeing what amounts to a new character with an old name tacked on: aka "bait and switch"?

Rhetorical question only. Think it over.

we haven't seen him yet, so nobody can ask us why we would like it. as a matter of fact, I should ask you why you don't like it since you haven't seen the movie yet.

how do we know he will have a different looking symbiote?

basically it all comes down to this. maybe, just maybe we will be entertained.

me personally? If I was calling the shots, Eddie would not be super buff. His personality would be more like Peter's. Venom's appearance would be like Ultimate Venom's. the plot origin would be pretty close to the original.

Here's my origin idea. so far at every forum I posted it, including here, the majority praised it, but a few didn't like it still.

My idea

You know how in the original, Eddie thought he solved the big mysterious crime, and his career was going to go through the roof, but then Spider-Man proved that Eddie had the wrong guy, and Eddie's career went in the toilet?
Also remember that the symbiote would take over spider-man's body while he was alseep and go for midnight strolls?

Well I believe that Eddie should have a daughter. She should be a huge fan of Spider-Man with posters all over the wall and everything. She should need a heart transplant, but it costs 10,000 dollars to get on the waiting list for a donor. Well when the symbiote is taking over pete while he's sleeping, he does something unheroic that would make him look bad. Eddie gets actual video footage of it, he calls up Jonah on his cellphone to tell him what he's taping right now, he says "I want 10,000 dollars for it, or it's going to the Globe" Jonah says yes deal!

Spider-Man overhears their conversation and walks right up to Eddie and takes the tape out of the camera and swings away.

When Eddie goes to the bugle nobody believes him, and he's laughed out of there without the money to get his daughter on the waiting list. Jonah tells him don't come back.

Eddie then hates Spider-Man this so called hero, blaming him and hating him, and believing that he's not really a hero who wants to help "inocenntttssssss" He believes that Spider-Man's a phony, and he would do anything to make him pay. This hero just ruined the chance for this little innocent girl who loves Spider-Man with all her heart, more than her own father in some ways.

I also think that in the climax of a battle when Venom is going to make Spider-Man pay, and pete begs the question “why what did I do” Venom’s face pulls back and Eddie dramatically tells him how he ruined his life. In the end after Eddie is defeated pete stumbles onto the tape at his apartment, and reluctantly does the right thing and sells the tape to Jonah, and uses the money to pay for the girl to get on the list for a donor.

I think that if later down the road a movie was ever slightly based off of Maximum Carnage during the moment when Eddie’s wife begged him not to kill Spider-Man, it should be the little girl. “Daddy? Don’t” crying and everything.

[Spider-Bite]

LOL;

Look;

Topher Grace as Venom, in my books I disagree with the casting choice. But I don't really care anymore, i'm still going to go see SM-3 regardless. Because in the end, that's all it is really, a movie. I loved the first two Spider-Man movies, I see no reason why SM-3 wont be any good. Spider-Man is my favorite comic book character, and recently, movies, and i'm pleased to see that he's finally on the big-screen. SM-3 has Sandman, GG2 and Venom, now thats a tripple whopper. But this is all just my opinion.

sounds pretty reasonable. It really does. you simply respectfully disagree with Raimi's choice.

[spideyrunner]

For what i believe is that Venom is going to be kill-off very early. Coz that raimi doesnt want him (venom). Sandman/GG2 is going to be the main in the movie.
For sure.

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Best post I've read on the Spiderman forums in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time....I hope people are paying attention.

I know right.

[tonytr1687]

Wow...its amazing just how much bandwagoning goes on here. Everyone here actually seems excited that Venom is appearing in full glory alongside two other villians. If we had known three years ago that Venom was going to be sharing SM3 with Sandman AND GG2, I garuntee you EVERYONE here would have been up in arms about it. I'm not saying I think SM3 will suck, but damn...so much for Harry getting his time to shine. With Venom and Sandman in there he'll just be an afterthought. I can't believe ppl want one of the greatest stories from the comics sacrificed just so they can see their favorite villian, a villain who probably won't even end up resembling the comic version like they want. Be careful what you wish for, Venom fans...

[War Lord]

LOL! That makes Church,Stan Lee and Kirsten Dunst spilling the beans :D

Dammit Sony just confirm it already.Nobody is going to be surprised now.The cat is well and truly out of the bag.

It's quite likely that they'll want to announce Venom when they have something really awesome to show for it.

[Gamma Burst]

we haven't seen him yet, so nobody can ask us why we would like it. as a matter of fact, I should ask you why you don't like it since you haven't seen the movie yet.

how do we know he will have a different looking symbiote?

basically it all comes down to this. maybe, just maybe we will be entertained.

me personally? If I was calling the shots, Eddie would not be super buff. His personality would be more like Peter's. Venom's appearance would be like Ultimate Venom's. the plot origin would be pretty close to the original.

Here's my origin idea. so far at every forum I posted it, including here, the majority praised it, but a few didn't like it still.

My idea

You know how in the original, Eddie thought he solved the big mysterious crime, and his career was going to go through the roof, but then Spider-Man proved that Eddie had the wrong guy, and Eddie's career went in the toilet?
Also remember that the symbiote would take over spider-man's body while he was alseep and go for midnight strolls?

Well I believe that Eddie should have a daughter. She should be a huge fan of Spider-Man with posters all over the wall and everything. She should need a heart transplant, but it costs 10,000 dollars to get on the waiting list for a donor. Well when the symbiote is taking over pete while he's sleeping, he does something unheroic that would make him look bad. Eddie gets actual video footage of it, he calls up Jonah on his cellphone to tell him what he's taping right now, he says "I want 10,000 dollars for it, or it's going to the Globe" Jonah says yes deal!

Spider-Man overhears their conversation and walks right up to Eddie and takes the tape out of the camera and swings away.

When Eddie goes to the bugle nobody believes him, and he's laughed out of there without the money to get his daughter on the waiting list. Jonah tells him don't come back.

Eddie then hates Spider-Man this so called hero, blaming him and hating him, and believing that he's not really a hero who wants to help "inocenntttssssss" He believes that Spider-Man's a phony, and he would do anything to make him pay. This hero just ruined the chance for this little innocent girl who loves Spider-Man with all her heart, more than her own father in some ways.

I also think that in the climax of a battle when Venom is going to make Spider-Man pay, and pete begs the question “why what did I do” Venom’s face pulls back and Eddie dramatically tells him how he ruined his life. In the end after Eddie is defeated pete stumbles onto the tape at his apartment, and reluctantly does the right thing and sells the tape to Jonah, and uses the money to pay for the girl to get on the list for a donor.

I think that if later down the road a movie was ever slightly based off of Maximum Carnage during the moment when Eddie’s wife begged him not to kill Spider-Man, it should be the little girl. “Daddy? Don’t” crying and everything.

Nice post:up:

[Radford]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.

thus has been my train of thought for the past year or so, throughout all the SM3 speculation. well worded. :up:

[War Lord]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.

I disagree. Venom, visually can easily be done through CGI.

However, for his character, here's a scenario that I think is doable for the film. I imagine Peter and Brock to have come from fairly similar backgrounds, with the exception that Brock might have been physically abused. While they face similar troubles, they handle it differently. Peter tries to rise above his troubles. but Brock chooses to get angry about his.

[SLYspyder]

harry has had plenty of time to develop in the first and second movie, so his character doesn't need that much screentime.
sandman is the main villain, he doesn't need that much time, because he's sort of a throw-away villain, he'll die at the end of the movie.

now brock/venom will get alot of time to develop, we might only see venom in one big fight, but itll be worth it, and brock/venom will definitely be back in a future film, that's the only reason they would have him in a movie with 2 other villains.

[tonytr1687]

harry has had plenty of time to develop in the first and second movie, so his character doesn't need that much screentime.
sandman is the main villain, he doesn't need that much time, because he's sort of a throw-away villain, he'll die at the end of the movie.

now brock/venom will get alot of time to develop, we might only see venom in one big fight, but itll be worth it, and brock/venom will definitely be back in a future film, that's the only reason they would have him in a movie with 2 other villains.

If they're calling Sandman the "main villian," then bet on him having mucho screen time and development. He may have been a throwaway character in the comics, but it doesnt look like the same can be said for his film translation. They'll give him a complex background to make him more interesting, why do this when you can just make GG2 or Venom the main villian? I dunno...but you can be sure if they're calling him the archrival for the film (which they have), he'll be just that. And sure you can say Harry doesnt need a whole lot of development, but they still gota show the same stuff they showed with Norman when he was grappling with the Goblin persona. The multiple-personality stuff, the friendship with Peter, the relationship with MJ, him talking to his father's image in the mirror...all of this takes time to establish and/or continue. Not to mention it's not about establishing his transformation, it's about establishing his conflict with Peter/Spidey. The brother vs. brother story is something that should be treated as climactic and not just an afterthought or something to be overshadowed by Venom. This is why I'm worried someone will get shafted...and it'll most likely be Harry.

[Octoberist]

Damn, I happy that Venom is in. I don't care what people think of him!

[Forumer]

I think Venom's/Eddie Brock's character will be quite interesting to see on film. I mean, you have a guy who is really angry at Spiderman because he thinks that Spidey is the cause of his problems. The symbiote kicks in and increases his anger to an extent that he's really blinded by it. Spiderman realized this before and that's why he fought off the symbiote. I think it's a good plot. I don't know how Venom would look though, and the space background may be a bit stretching it.

[JSZ]

Grrreaaaaat. Wonderful. They've managed to somehow screw alot up yet gloss it up nicely.

This should atleast be remotely interesting. I just hope they don't screw him up TOO MUCH.

[Visionary]

This movie is going to have more fanboyish geeks' panties in a twist, than the Da Vinci Code did with Christians and theologians, I love it. I await this film's release!:cool:

[Matt]

This doesn't make a bit of sense. Not a bit. You have three people giving interviews refusing to reveal plot details as they are "sworn secrecy" yet in the same interview they "accidently" leak the secret. I'd buy that for Dunst, who has proven to be one of Hollywood's more ditzy stars...but the other two whom I have no reason to believe are stupid men (Lee I know to the contrary)...it just doesn't make sense that they would make a blunder you would only see on a bad episode of According to Jim...

Furthermore, we know Spidey wears the black suit...so we have Sandman origin, establishment, defeat. Blacksuit, origin, establishment, goes to spidey, leaves spidey. Venom, origin, establishment, defeat. Plus there is the issue of Harry, Aunt May, JJJ, Robbie, MJ/Pete relationship and other pesky plot details that need developed. This would have to be a four hour movie to cram all that in.

My guess, Venmo cameo at end. Sandman and already established villian (be it Lizard or Harry Goblin...the latter being more likely). Also the build up of a Brock/Parker rivalry.

[miller man]

Venom is a very hard character to translate from comics to film. Until now, the films had used Spidey's more "human" villains which work well because they're realistic (a criminal schizophrenic, a scientist who builds a set of mechanical tentacles). Venom on the other hand is what I consider one of Spidey's "supernatural" villains (Morbius and Man-Wolf are some others. I even consider Sandman to be one in a way, since his powers are so far beyond the realm of possibility). It is a very odd choice of villains when you consider the route the first two movies have taken. The fact is, Venom is going to have to really diverge from the comic version in order to be believable in a live action film. I don't mind, since I'm not a big Venom fan anyway and because I understand the kinds of changes that have to be made in order to translate a character like him to screen. But to the Venom fans, I say this: Just prepare yourselves for something quite a bit different from the Venom you know from the comics.

You've just exemplified the quote Raimi made around the time S-M2 was released on dvd. Something to the effect of: "This installment will deviate a lot further from the source material than the last two movies have."

[Webzpinner]

easy enough story... Ultimate Venom. The first two movies were heavily influenced by Ultimate Spider-man... let this one be too. done deal. cut and print.

[GoldGoblin]

I think the only ones who aren't going to like Venom being in this movie after it is released are the Venom fans,because he won't look like the Venom that they pictured,that he wasn't the main villain,that the movie didn't focus on him every second,and that he dies in the end of the movie.But everybody else is gonna love it.

[GNR]

Sweeet.I'm loving this cast.

[spider-neil]

I'm happy and apprehensive at the same time

storylines:
mary and peter
sandman and his origin
venom and his origin
GG2 and harry's descent into darkness
aunt may
JJJ, robbie and hoffman

in a 2 and a 1/2 hour movie

this movie will either be spectacular or rubbish I doubt it will fall somewhere in between.

[GarzaUK]

I'm happy and apprehensive at the same time

storylines:
mary and peter
sandman and his origin
venom and his origin
GG2 and harry's descent into darkness
aunt may
JJJ, robbie and hoffman

in a 2 and a 1/2 hour movie

this movie will either be spectacular or rubbish I doubt it will fall somewhere in between.

Don't forget Gwen & Peter, and Captain Stacy. lol

[Arcturus]

I think the only ones who aren't going to like Venom being in this movie after it is released are the Venom fans,because he won't look like the Venom that they pictured,that he wasn't the main villain,that the movie didn't focus on him every second,and that he dies in the end of the movie.But everybody else is gonna love it.

Bit of a harsh judgement, don't you think?

[Amm-arD]

Yeah, they could just have him at the end and then when the 4th is comign the advance in CGI could be so great they can have venom as how they have in the comic!

[Cmill216]

Yeah, they could just have him at the end and then when the 4th is comign the advance in CGI could be so great they can have venom as how they have in the comic!

And so the CG as of right now today can't do Venom?

I think differently. They could easily do Venom visually with the combination of CG and prostetics.

[Symbiotica]

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[Red]

Personally I blame this on Doc Ock.

[Symbiotica]

Dr. Octopus would hang your flayed hide from the nearest flagpole, for blaming him for this mess :)

[The Infernal]

It doesn't matter whether they give him his own movie or not, or really what they do with him at this point: the casting is wrong, therefore the character is already ruined for many serious Venom fans. As someone remarked above, its looking at this point as if had Gopher been cast as Dr. Octopus, 90% of the forum would have been saying: ":up:!" Good God almighty.

Oh, come on. Just because a lot of people on this forum disagree with you is no reason to imply they're all morons. OK, so a few of them just might say that, but it would be a small minority. There is no reason to start mud slinging because they either like Topher Grace or are willing to give him a chance and I'll admit that some arguments about him have been valid but I for one will be happy to see the movie myself and decide then.

[ragdus]

it's hardly a slip, considering sony released a friggin photo of spidey in black.

after that, it was never a matter of IF venom was showing up in one form or another in this pic, just how much.

[Symbiotica]

Oh, come on. Just because a lot of people on this forum disagree with you is no reason to imply they're all morons. OK, so a few of them just might say that, but it would be a small minority. There is no reason to start mud slinging because they either like Topher Grace or are willing to give him a chance and I'll admit that some arguments about him have been valid but I for one will be happy to see the movie myself and decide then.

... Have you not been reading this thread so far?! "Mud-slinging"?! I wish it were! This is what people here are actually saying, God help us!

I never called anyone a "moron," I said that a majority of them would have been more than pleased to accept Topher Grace as, say, Dr. Octopus. I leave decisions as to whether or not that is a "moronic" mindset to the reader. What do -you- think? I know what I think, but that's by the by: after all, I'm the only person in this forum who disagrees with the "CAST ANYBODY, ITS ALL GOOD!!" mindset. Evidently. :)

[Jager X]

so are they going to finish the gg/harry osburn arc or just not deal with due to how much stuff they are putting into this movie?

[Mister Gone]

Couple of questions for a Venom fans here:

Why do you take what Church says as the gospel truth and mull over every little detail when Dunst, Lee, or anyone else has a slip up?

How would you react if all of the "Venom slip ups" were an elaborate joke started by Raimi to get all the fans foaming at the mouth?

[Red]

Personally speaking I would rather no have venom, or even the back suit in SM3.

I mean we have 1 villian already (perhapes GG2 also), Aunt May, Harry and God knows how much MJ/Pete lovey duddy stuff and Inot forgetting Gwen Stacy which could mean EVEN more love story.

[Iron Fist.]

Sorry to dissapoint everyone but like every story, this one is about a girl, THAT girl, Mary Jane Watson......it will be all about Kirsten....
Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin II, maybe will get about 10 minutes of screentime each, so prepare to see lots of Tobey and Kirsten.:spidey:

http://thelonghalloween.vacuumboy9.com/spiderblue3.jpg

[The Infernal]

... Have you not been reading this thread so far?! "Mud-slinging"?! I wish it were! This is what people here are actually saying, God help us!

I never called anyone a "moron," I said that a majority of them would have been more than pleased to accept Topher Grace as, say, Dr. Octopus. I leave decisions as to whether or not that is a "moronic" mindset to the reader. What do -you- think? I know what I think, but that's by the by: after all, I'm the only person in this forum who disagrees with the "CAST ANYBODY, ITS ALL GOOD!!" mindset. Evidently. :)

I'm just saying that you give the impression that you think they are moronic. Though I don't want to start anything I do have to admit that I don't really buy that you're leaving it to the reader to decide. I think you're at least aware of the impression you want to give.

Though it may be that I'm relatively new to the boards, I do believe that the majority of the members here have more than enough sense to not simply greenlight anything Raimi does. It just seems to me that there is a very vocal minority that seems to let us down.

[Amm-arD]

carnage isnt as huge as Venom is he?

[JokerNick]

carnage isnt as huge as Venom is he?

huge in what sense, popularity or size??

[Amm-arD]

size wise..i know that Venom is more popular by far...right? lol

[Johnny Drama]

I always had the impression that this would be the last film for Raimi, Tobey and Kristen. So, to me, it would have made much more sence to pick up where spider-man 2 left off and end the trilogy as the "goblin trillogy". Venom should have ushered in the new trillogy and Grace should have been the replacement Spidey. But, I can't complain. I can just wait and see how Raimi once again proves us all wrong.

[Amm-arD]

I always had the impression that this would be the last film for Raimi, Tobey and Kristen. So, to me, it would have made much more sence to pick up where spider-man 2 left off and end the trilogy as the "goblin trillogy". Venom should have ushered in the new trillogy and Grace should have been the replacement Spidey. But, I can't complain. I can just wait and see how Raimi once again proves us all wrong.

Grace as new Spiderman, yeah agree! He'd fit good

[Jackpot657]

Carange isn't as huge as Venom but I think he might be taller heres a pic
http://silverhour.tripod.com/v_c.jpg

[Turd McFurden]

well, i've know the confirmation of venom ever since...the BLOB light!!!

http://static.flickr.com/48/120879689_d1de2f35d6.jpg?v=0

[Maximum Carnage]

Nobody knows any of the tricks hiding under Raimi's sleeves..

[Amm-arD]

except him lol

[Morgoth]

I knew he'd be in it, so many have said it now. I can't wait for this movie!

I'm kind of an, on/off Spidey fan, I'm back on. LOL.

I really do like him, The movies have been very cool, and faithful, despite a few awkward moments.

I think the Spidey films are the best of the Marvel movies, just 'cause they are coming from a director who loves the character and they are pretty faithful in look and story.

I'm a big X-men fan, and if only my X-movies could've been as good as Spider-man 1 & 2.:spidey:

[Symbiotica]

I'm just saying that you give the impression that you think they are moronic. Though I don't want to start anything I do have to admit that I don't really buy that you're leaving it to the reader to decide. I think you're at least aware of the impression you want to give.

I'm not going to bother defending my right to have an opinion of such behavior, much less get into an argument over what you think *I'm* thinking.
Whatever you think I am thinking, I am probably ACTUALLY thinking something 20 times worse; I'm merely too polite to post it. Despite my villainous appearance, I usually stop short of invoking tears.

Speaking in general, I also feel little need to apologize for thinking stupid behavior is, well... stupid. The best you can hope for is that I am not proclaiming my opinion to be "FACT!" for everyone else. Which, by the by, I am not doing.

What I'm thinking, is fact for ME. That's more than enough to ruffle many feathers. :)

Though it may be that I'm relatively new to the boards, I do believe that the majority of the members here have more than enough sense to not simply greenlight anything Raimi does. It just seems to me that there is a very vocal minority that seems to let us down.

I'd say exactly the opposite: the vast majority here green-light anything and everything Raimi does.

[Symbiotica]

Nobody knows any of the tricks hiding under Raimi's sleeves..

That might be true... if he didn't trot them all out in every movie he does. Anyone who's seen many of his films can tell you that the same themes tend to surface in them; much less the fact that a good deal of 2 was movie 1 all over again. Trash-can chats, Aunt May motivational speeches, burning buildings, fickle MJ, heroes taking a serious beating... we've seen much of it before.

[CaptainStacy]

I knew he'd be in it, so many have said it now. I can't wait for this movie!

I'm kind of an, on/off Spidey fan, I'm back on. LOL.

I really do like him, The movies have been very cool, and faithful, despite a few awkward moments.

I think the Spidey films are the best of the Marvel movies, just 'cause they are coming from a director who loves the character and they are pretty faithful in look and story.

If you mean faithful as compared to the comics, then no, not really.

From miniscule stuff that varys from the comics, like MJ going to high school with Peter, and living next store to him, to the burglar (excuse me; CAR-JACKER) dying, all the way to the omission of mechanical web-shooters, the movies have pretty much gone off in their own direction/continuity.

Hardly faithful.

[Spider-Bite]

That might be true... if he didn't trot them all out in every movie he does. Anyone who's seen many of his films can tell you that the same themes tend to surface in them; much less the fact that a good deal of 2 was movie 1 all over again. Trash-can chats, Aunt May motivational speeches, burning buildings, fickle MJ, heroes taking a serious beating... we've seen much of it before.

Aunt May is a parental figure. all of things you mentioned are basically no more repetitive than having Spider-Man in the movie again.

That's like saying that Star Trek is repetitive because they always got the same old bridge, and there is always aliens, and there is always warp drive.

spider-man is grounded in reality. two people outside talking isn't unusual. Superhero getting beat up? come on. He's fighting super villains. that's like saying it's repetitive to see a cop arrest someobdy in a crime drama.
burning building? if you were a super hero and you followed sirens every time you heard them you would most likely see a very large number of fires in your lifetime. Heck I'm not a super hero and I have seen 5 burning buildings and I don't live in a place where buildigns are crowded like New York. It's not repetitive, it's every day life.

MJ is a reoccuring character. her personality is going to reoccur, just like her red hair.

[The Infernal]

I'm not going to bother defending my right to have an opinion of such behavior, much less get into an argument over what you think *I'm* thinking.
Whatever you think I am thinking, I am probably ACTUALLY thinking something 20 times worse; I'm merely too polite to post it. Despite my villaonous appearance, I usually stop short of invoking tears.

Speaking in general, I also feel little need to apologize for thinking stupid behavior is, well... stupid. The best you can hope for is that I am not proclaiming my opinion to be "FACT!" for everyone else. Which, by the by, I am not doing.

What I'm thinking, is fact for ME. That's more than enough to ruffle many feathers. :)

I'd say exactly the opposite: the vast majority here green-light anything and everything Raimi does.

I'm not asking you to apologise, I don't think you're Villainous and you have a right to your opinion. So you don't have to defend it if you don't want to. It's just that you seem to be talking down to other board members when post in regards to them and that's what I took issue with.

So with that said let's leave it there and get back on topic. :up:

[Spider-Bite]

well the profssional movie critics have all green lighted Raimi so far, so I see no shame in doing it. If I like it then I'm not going to disaprove.

[carnomlio]

The movie is still a year away, give Sony a break :)

dont foget a :up:

[Symbiotica]

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[Visionary]

Those two people having an almost verbatim repeat conversation is unusual, though. Unusually boring.
Yes it is, and yet, we do this on these boards a billion times over, every freakin' day, year after year. "What's that in Spidey's eye?"..."All about a girl"..."organics suck"...etc, etc. I guess you can call it, art imitating life.:rolleyes:

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

I always had the impression that this would be the last film for Raimi, Tobey and Kristen. So, to me, it would have made much more sence to pick up where spider-man 2 left off and end the trilogy as the "goblin trillogy". Venom should have ushered in the new trillogy and Grace should have been the replacement Spidey. But, I can't complain. I can just wait and see how Raimi once again proves us all wrong.


Agreed I wish topher was spidey/peter he was born for the role

[Visionary]

Now he's reborn to play Eddie Brock/Venom role, someone had to say it.:o

[tonytr1687]

I'm still trying to figure out how this happened. I mean it's like Raimi all of a sudden changed direction. During production on the first two films Raimi repeatedly talked about how he liked having only one villian so he could flesh them out more appopriately and so that he could have time for the Peter/MJ/Harry/Aunt May dynamics. He also said he wasn't a fan of Venom...AND (and this is a big one) he's been setting up Harry to be the main villian, to be the climactic showdown of friend vs. friend, since movie 1. I can understand adding in Sandman b/c he probably thinks it's high time to have two villians, plus Harry doesn't require THAT much development since he's been built up over two films, and then there's the case of second Goblin being repetitive and so you would need another villian to give the audience something new. But Venom too? A story that requires a lot of backdrop before plunging ahead? It completely contradicts everything Raimi has done with the previous films.

[fangrl06]

^Nice. I agree.

[Visionary]

For he has changed his mind...he is allowed.

[fangrl06]

wtf?

[Nebins]

I understand where you're coming from. It seems like much but there was a story arch that had Venom bitting Sandman and poisoning him and making him crumble. Maybe they will use that in the movie in a tag team scene with all 4 characters (Sandman, Venom, GG2, and Spider-man)

[Punisher RULES]

we can complain all we want, we're ALL gonna be there opening weekend.:spidey:

[fangrl06]

A tag team scene of Sandman, Venom, GG2, and Spider-man? That would be so cheesy. The sad part is that it might be what Raimi is considering.

[fangrl06]

we can complain all we want, we're ALL gonna be there opening weekend.:spidey:
Yup. I don't care if the teaser sucks and everyone quits, I will always be there opening night for Spidey!

[Punisher RULES]

Yup. I don't care if the teaser sucks and everyone quits, I will always be there opening night for Spidey!
:up:

[Nebins]

It doesn't need to be a tag team really. It could have Sandman fighting Spider-man. Venom could come in and fight sandman because he wants to kill Spider-Man himself. Harry could be witnessing this and decides to sacrifice himself in order to help Peter. I could see something like that working if done correctly.

[Nebins]

Yup. I don't care if the teaser sucks and everyone quits, I will always be there opening night for Spidey!

absolutely agree

[fangrl06]

It doesn't need to be a tag team really. It could have Sandman fighting Spider-man. Venom could come in and fight sandman because he wants to kill Spider-Man himself. Harry could be witnessing this and decides to sacrifice himself in order to help Peter. I could see something like that working if done correctly.
This could be the best movie I ever saw, or the worst. It's hard to say which one this early...

[Spider-Bite]

Your analogy would only hold true if I had been complaining that they were using the same locations in the film, or that Spidey's powers remained the same, etc. and that made the film "repetitive." That's not what I said at all.

Locations have nothing to do with it: the almost exact verbatim same conversations IN those settings do have something to do with it. Therefore I am forced to declare your argument a non sequiter.



Those two people having an almost verbatim repeat conversation is unusual, though. Unusually boring.

I'm snipping the rest of this because I have a feeling you are intentionally misunderstanding what my prior post was about.

I'm just saying this isn't the seuel-itis repetitiveness. He didn't just make the same movie over again with a new villain. Mary Jane's character was less preppy, less teenish, more grown up and so on. she moved on.

the backyard conversation was quite different from the first movie's. this time she's seeing somebody, telling peter "don't disapoint me"

the story evolved since the first one. the critics all said this movie did what a sequel was supposed to do. they said it didn't make the same mistake of just repeating everything all over again. It feels like your just saying things for the sake of talking negatively about the movie, whether the comments are warranted or not.

[fangrl06]

It felt like they repeated alot of things, like the burning building and such...

[tonytr1687]

I'm just saying this isn't the seuel-itis repetitiveness. He didn't just make the same movie over again with a new villain. Mary Jane's character was less preppy, less teenish, more grown up and so on. she moved on.

the backyard conversation was quite different from the first movie's. this time she's seeing somebody, telling peter "don't disapoint me"

the story evolved since the first one. the critics all said this movie did what a sequel was supposed to do. they said it didn't make the same mistake of just repeating everything all over again. It feels like your just saying things for the sake of talking negatively about the movie, whether the comments are warranted or not.

Exactly.

[tonytr1687]

It felt like they repeated alot of things, like the burning building and such...

The setting was the same, but the circumstances and what the scene meant were entirely different. This is the problem with a lot ppl, they only look at the surface of a film instead of what's underneath.

[fangrl06]

The setting was the same, but the circumstances and what the scene meant were entirely different. This is the problem with a lot ppl, they only look at the surface of a film instead of what's underneath.
Yes it had a different meaning, but it was still the same thing, and that can be boring.

[tonytr1687]

Yes it had a different meaning, but it was still the same thing, and that can be boring.

Boring to you b/c you're only looking at the surface. Who cares if he's running around in a burning building again? That's not even the point of the scene. Fires happen all the time so its also realistic, plus I think they were purposely trying to mirror the first film in some way. Maybe show just how different it is for him without his powers.

People here dont appreciate SM2 b/c they dont understand the depth behind it, they just care about cool effects and action sequences and everything being just like the comics.

[Nebins]

I was watching the Matrix the other day and I got to thinking. Does anyone else hope the symbiot attaching to Peter doesn't look like the mirror scene in the Matrix.

[fangrl06]

Boring to you b/c you're only looking at the surface. Who cares if he's running around in a burning building again? That's not even the point of the scene. Fires happen all the time so its also realistic, plus I think they were purposely trying to mirror the first film in some way. Maybe show just how different it is for him without his powers.

People here dont appreciate SM2 b/c they dont understand the depth behind it, they just care about cool effects and action sequences and everything being just like the comics.
Well I guess you're alot deeper than me, 'cause I could have done without it...

[The Joker]

Boring to you b/c you're only looking at the surface. Who cares if he's running around in a burning building again?

Um no not just boring to her.Boring to plenty of people.

That's not even the point of the scene

There's plenty of different ways to convey the point of that scene without rehashing an infant trapped in a burning building again :rolleyes:

Fires happen all the time so its also realistic

So??

plus I think they were purposely trying to mirror the first film in some way. Maybe show just how different it is for him without his powers

No kidding.The kid had to pull him up over the edge LMAO!

People here dont appreciate SM2 b/c they dont understand the depth behind it

Oh bull s***

Listen to you dictating why people don't like SM-2.I understand the reason behind every single scene in that movie.

they just care about cool effects and action sequences and everything being just like the comics.

You speak as though those things are not important.

[Cmill216]

Boring to you b/c you're only looking at the surface. Who cares if he's running around in a burning building again? That's not even the point of the scene. Fires happen all the time so its also realistic, plus I think they were purposely trying to mirror the first film in some way. Maybe show just how different it is for him without his powers.

People here dont appreciate SM2 b/c they dont understand the depth behind it, they just care about cool effects and action sequences and everything being just like the comics.

When I first saw the burning building scene in SM2, I wasn't thinking "Well this is a complete rehash." I was thinking about what would happen, would he save whoever was in there. And when I got home and thought about the film, and then about that scene, I began making that comparison to the first film and how things had changed, and the heart of a hero, you know the rest.

The superficiality of some people is astonishing. I know where they are coming from in wanting that scene to be something else, but IMO, it was FAR from boring.

[fangrl06]

Nice one Doc.:up:

[Cmill216]

Ah, damn. I just realized. We're talking about that flippin' burning building again!!!! Back on topic....

[fangrl06]

When I first saw the burning building scene in SM2, I wasn't thinking "Well this is a complete rehash." I was thinking about what would happen, would he save whoever was in there. And when I got home and thought about the film, and then about that scene, I began making that comparison to the first film and how things had changed, and the heart of a hero, you know the rest.

The superficiality of some people is astonishing. I know where they are coming from in wanting that scene to be something else, but IMO, it was FAR from boring.
I never said it was boring...but calling me superficial for not agreeing? that's not the peace making Cmill I know....