Batman Begins vs Batman: The Animated Series

[CConn]

Ah yes, another wonderful vs thread. But this time I'm asking the all-important questions that's really not that important afterall; what's better, what's the "definitive" interpretation of Batman on the screen? BB or BTAS?

Personally, I say BTAS. :up: But I'm sure some of you could be stupid and disagree with me. :down

PS - Lets have none of that "it's like comparing apples to oranges!" stuff. Instead, you may post the flag of Switzerland.

[ToddIsDead]

BTAS hands down.

[StorminNorman]

Batman Begins - BTAS was very good - Return of the Joker (its all DCAU) is my second fav Batfilm - however it had the restrictions of being a show targeted for kids. Plus I hated the Two Face origin.

Begins did everything right its first time out - so I give it the nod.

[LostSon88]

I have too much history with B:TAS to turn my back on it now...

I still love BB, though. :)

[Mister J]

I loved Batman Begins and the number of times I saw it in the theatre was utterly ridiculous. Seeing such multi-faceted portrayals of Bruce Wayne, his emotions and the relationships that define him, all on the big screen, was deeply satisfying for this long-time Batman fan. The movie was masterful.

That said, B:TAS provided all of the things that I loved about Begins, as well as highlighting points that Begins couldn't get to (an emphasis on Batman's criminology background and detective work, a furtherance of his mental acuity, relationships with other members of the Bat-family, villains, etc.). Everything I love about Batman was included in the animated series. It's a complete body of work and was able to delve into to a number of aspects that a single movie could never capture in its limited time.

It's really not close to me. I have a deep appreciation for both works, but at the end of the day we're comparing nearly 40 hours of material to roughly a 2 and a half hour movie. This wealth of information that is included in each respective universe is disparate. I cast my vote for B:TAS :batman:

[El Payaso]

I prefer Batman Begins.

[The Kid]

My allegiance is to Btas like I said in the other thread.

[Two-Face]

This is tough call but I chose Batman Begins.

[Punisher RULES]

BTAS IS Batman, Begins is great too, but I chose BTAS

[Mr. Socko]

I loved Batman Begins and the number of times I saw it in the theatre was utterly ridiculous. Seeing such multi-faceted portrayals of Bruce Wayne, his emotions and the relationships that define him, all on the big screen, was deeply satisfying for this long-time Batman fan. The movie was masterful.

That said, B:TAS provided all of the things that I loved about Begins, as well as highlighting points that Begins couldn't get to (an emphasis on Batman's criminology background and detective work, a furtherance of his mental acuity, relationships with other members of the Bat-family, villains, etc.). Everything I love about Batman was included in the animated series. It's a complete body of work and was able to delve into to a number of aspects that a single movie could never capture in its limited time.

It's really not close to me. I have a deep appreciation for both works, but at the end of the day we're comparing nearly 40 hours of material to roughly a 2 and a half hour movie. This wealth of information that is included in each respective universe is disparate. I cast my vote for B:TAS :batman:

Someone give this man an award. Perfectly said, I completely agree.

[The Kid]

I love conroy's voice in the toon, it's perefct. And I could see batman clearly during the fist fights and such. I love how all the characters interact too, and I love the film noir style; Though I'm not sure what style it is really, I just call it film noir style because batman's a real detective in it and there are cool angles/shadows all over the place, and lots of gansters for batman to beat the crap out of. Hopefully the begins sequels give us that detective side of batman fully and do the characters as well or better than the way they're portrayed on this show. And we see the fights.

[Katsuro]

My vote goes to Batman Begins. The Animated Series was great, and I love it, but I'm practically in love with Begins. It's what really made me a batfan. Like, I always liked Batman and thought he was pretty cool, but ever since Begins I've just been a hardcore Batman fan.

While TAS is great, I do have a few issues with it. First of all, because it's a cartoon, it obviously has to hold back a bit. It's made for kids primarily, and while it may not be as watered down as, say, "The Batman", there are still certain things that could've been better had it not been made for kids. The uncut version of Return of the Joker was so much better than the cut version, it's a shame it was ever cut in the first place. Also, I entirely hate their version of Two-Face. Just about everything about it I dislike, as opposed to the comic version who's one of my favorite villains ever. I dislike the color of his scarring (blue? c'mon!). I dislike his origin (Maroni scarring him in court is classic, how could they dump that?) and I dislike his relationship with Bruce Wayne (I prefer him being a friend to Batman and Gordon). So really, them screwing with practically everything about one of my favorite villains ever, and mispronouncing the name of another, is part of what holds it back from being better than Begins, in my opinion.

[nite-owl]

Don't make me choose.:(

[The Batman]

BTAS, without question. Pretty much everything about that show was perfect....

[Mee]

Don't make me choose.:(
Same here. Can't choose.

[_achilles_]

you can't compare those two they are both perfect for me !

[Stringer]

My allegiance is to Btas like I said in the other thread.
I agree with anyone with Rosario Dawson as their avvy:up:

[Soundwave88]

Begins has its moments but TAS has way more lol

[TheGrayGhost]

My vote goes to Batman Begins. The Animated Series was great, and I love it, but I'm practically in love with Begins. It's what really made me a batfan. Like, I always liked Batman and thought he was pretty cool, but ever since Begins I've just been a hardcore Batman fan.

While TAS is great, I do have a few issues with it. First of all, because it's a cartoon, it obviously has to hold back a bit. It's made for kids primarily, and while it may not be as watered down as, say, "The Batman", there are still certain things that could've been better had it not been made for kids. The uncut version of Return of the Joker was so much better than the cut version, it's a shame it was ever cut in the first place. Also, I entirely hate their version of Two-Face. Just about everything about it I dislike, as opposed to the comic version who's one of my favorite villains ever. I dislike the color of his scarring (blue? c'mon!). I dislike his origin (Maroni scarring him in court is classic, how could they dump that?) and I dislike his relationship with Bruce Wayne (I prefer him being a friend to Batman and Gordon). So really, them screwing with practically everything about one of my favorite villains ever, and mispronouncing the name of another, is part of what holds it back from being better than Begins, in my opinion.

Huh? If you're talking about Ra's Al Ghul, it is pronounced the correct way.

[TheGrayGhost]

EDIT: Double post.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I cant really say one or the other, I like them both equal.

[Eddie Dean]

I can't choose.

[bdsproductions]

Begins but i still love B:TAS and Return Of The Joker is also a favourite of mine.

[Sandman138]

BTAS was perfection. Took everything I loved about Burton's films, made it more in line with comic book cannon, and proved that you can make an intelligent story for all ages.

[Robin91939]

I went with BTAS, but it was hard.

Ofcourse a great SERIES will beat a great MOVIE. For one reason and one reason only, time.

BTAS had so much time to tell great stories, and story arcs, while BATMAN BEGINS was constricted to 2 hours and 20 minutes.

If you match up the worst epidode of BTAS, BATMAN BEGINS clobbers it. Even still, BEGINS trashes a lot of the GREAT BTAS episodes. It's just that BTAS has so many divinitive stories, and episodes and such a great consistant track record that it had to win.

In 8 years or so, after BATMAN III maybe the results in a BATMAN THE MOVIE TRILLOGY vs BTAS will be different.

-R

[TwilightPro101]

I can't choose.

[Morgoth]

The Animated Series was way better than Batman Begins. BB was faithful but not completely, not like the cartoon is.

I love the series more so than any of the movies, for the look and stories and the faithful stories to the comics and in some cases better than the comics.

[Super_Ludacris]

Begins because it achieved more under difficult conditions. Its always harder to be faithful in a live-action movie than a cartoon.

[El Payaso]

The Animated Series was way better than Batman Begins. BB was faithful but not completely, not like the cartoon is.

I remember Two Face being born in an explosion, not Boss Moroni throwing acid to his face. I remember Selina Kyle being a blonde millionaire. I remember Penguin being like in B Returns more than once.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Batman Begins here.......wasn't easy though. I grew up on BTAS......but I just think Batman Begins was IT. my 2 cents.

[Galactical]

I love the cartoon. It's arguably the best american cartoon of it's kind.

[TheGrayGhost]

It's the cartoon for me. But I would also like to add that when I watch Batman Begins, I felt like I was watching a live-action rendition of the DCAU Batman. Just more intense.

[Mr. Socko]

I'm saying TAS because there's about 50 hours of it which was all pretty good compared to a good 2 hours and 20 mins of Batman Begins. Now once Nolan creates 10 Batman movies, it wins over TAS.

[Whack Arnolds]

Are you kidding me? This is an easy one...

Batman Begins.

Either way you cut it, B:TAS was a cartoon made for little kids. Batman Begins as a story, is one of the best all time Batman stories told through any medium. It's a better origin than the comic, Year One for christ sakes.

B:TAS is too corny at times for my tastes. And it deviates just as much from the comic book as BEGINS does. Both are completely faithful to the essence, but BEGINS is the more grown up and edgier version.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, in defense of BTAS.......it was made for Bat-fans.....not exactly for kids only.

Yeah, I get what you mean about the corniness of BTAS....its there, but it's also evident in BATMAN BEGNS too.....it's a part of the character, really.

But, yeah....in the end....Begins gives me the grown up version, edgier.....and no tights. Close call though.

[I_Hate_U_All]

I hate you all but i love Batman TAS.

[Lead Cenobite]

I remember Two Face being born in an explosion, not Boss Moroni throwing acid to his face. I remember Selina Kyle being a blonde millionaire. I remember Penguin being like in B Returns more than once.

Nevermind that Begins's two villians have their origins changed aswell. I don't follow the comics, but I know Jonathan Crane wasn't a psychiatrist in a business suit and a potato sack. And I also know that Ra's wasn't some vigilante who trained Bruce to become Batman.

[Super_Ludacris]

But Begins was better

[El Payaso]

Nevermind that Begins's two villians have their origins changed aswell. I don't follow the comics, but I know Jonathan Crane wasn't a psychiatrist in a business suit and a potato sack. And I also know that Ra's wasn't some vigilante who trained Bruce to become Batman.

Ok, my point wasn't that changes are bad, just that the Animated Series wasn't faithful the same as the movies.

I even like the Joker being Waynes' killer and the mutant Penguin, go figure.

[Mr. Socko]

Nevermind that Begins's two villians have their origins changed aswell. I don't follow the comics, but I know Jonathan Crane wasn't a psychiatrist in a business suit and a potato sack. And I also know that Ra's wasn't some vigilante who trained Bruce to become Batman.

Who didn't love Scarecrow's potato sack lmao. Ok, I'll be the first to admit it. Scarecrow was kinda lame in Begins, he was a pathetic low henchman who was in the movie for about 15 minutes if you count all his screentime and put it together.

Oh and I love the tights look from the comic and TAS.

[El Payaso]

Ok, I'll be the first to admit it. Scarecrow was kinda lame in Begins

Me being here makes you the second one. :D

[ToddIsDead]

I actually thought the Scarecrow was rather cool in Begins. For what little time he had on screen, I thought Cillian Murphy turned out a pretty good performance. Not how I would do Scarecrow if I were writing and directing a movie with him, but I though he was cool none-the-less.

[Two-Face]

I thought Murphy was good as Crane/Scarecrow

Crane: "He's here"

Thug: "Who?"

Crane: "The Batman"

[El Payaso]

I felt he had the hots for Batman in that scene.

[I_Hate_U_All]

Ok, my point wasn't that changes are bad, just that the Animated Series wasn't faithful the same as the movies.

I even like the Joker being Waynes' killer and the mutant Penguin, go figure.

so do I. Fans need to stop the whole Change = Bad, thing. It annoys me.

[I_Hate_U_All]

I thought Murphy was good as Crane/Scarecrow

Crane: "He's here"

Thug: "Who?"

Crane: "The Batman"

Lol I liked him in the movie too. But the quote's wrong. He says "The Batmannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn." extra emphasis on the last sylable there. :up::)

[El Payaso]

so do I. Fans need to stop the whole Change = Bad, thing. It annoys me.

In the end it's just an excuse to show the world the 'infinite knowledge'.

[Warhammer]

DCAU Batman above all else, of course.
DCAU will always be the best portrayal of Batman above all others.
But Batman Begins was close.

:cool:

[ToddIsDead]

Are you forgetting about the comics?

[Super_Ludacris]

I think he means best potrayl FROM the comics. Every adaptation will be judged from orginal source it seems

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nevermind that Begins's two villians have their origins changed aswell. I don't follow the comics, but I know Jonathan Crane wasn't a psychiatrist in a business suit and a potato sack. And I also know that Ra's wasn't some vigilante who trained Bruce to become Batman.

Well.....Crane was a psychiatrist, with a potato sack.

And Ra's is a sort of extremist vigilante.

So....pretty close, I think.

Who didn't love Scarecrow's potato sack lmao. Ok, I'll be the first to admit it. Scarecrow was kinda lame in Begins, he was a pathetic low henchman who was in the movie for about 15 minutes if you count all his screentime and put it together.

Actually, the Scarecrow was at his coolest in BEGINS. Everywhere else, dude is LAME. Pretty incredible that BEGINS was able to make him actually cool.

Are you forgetting about the comics?


For a long time, the comics didn't even know how to get Batman right.

Right now, though.....with the whole Aftermath of the Crisis, it seems like it's back on track.

[El Payaso]

Actually, the Scarecrow was at his coolest in BEGINS. Everywhere else, dude is LAME. Pretty incredible that BEGINS was able to make him actually cool.

Yes. It takes a lot of effort to change him from a dangerous fighter creepy guy to some ambiguous dude that can be beaten by a girl.

[trustyside-kick]

lol.

[TheFalcon]

I prefer Begins.

[Beelze]

They both have many positive points, and they both have some negative ones. IMO, B:TAS has more negative points, but it was a series handled by many different people, so that is understandable. B:TAS allows us a taste of the most important villains, and Begins, being only one movie, couldn't really do that in its running time. They both got the essence of Batman right, and it's very hard to choose. I'm currently in love with Begins, but that hasn't made me forget about B:TAS.

[TheGrayGhost]

Are you kidding me? This is an easy one...

Batman Begins.

Either way you cut it, B:TAS was a cartoon made for little kids. Batman Begins as a story, is one of the best all time Batman stories told through any medium. It's a better origin than the comic, Year One for christ sakes.

B:TAS is too corny at times for my tastes. And it deviates just as much from the comic book as BEGINS does. Both are completely faithful to the essence, but BEGINS is the more grown up and edgier version.

I disagree, but there really isn't much to argue about, is there? People have opinions and that's that.

But...

Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker, in my view, are both just as good as Begins. Perhaps even better.

[Mr. Socko]

I agree but the only things I don't like about MOTP is that it's alot of flashbacks.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yes. It takes a lot of effort to change him from a dangerous fighter creepy guy to some ambiguous dude that can be beaten by a girl.

Well.....that is sort of the whole point about the Scarecrow character. His ONLY weapon is the power of fear, once he loses that.....he can get his ass kicked by anyone, including a girl. So, that was pretty much right on with WHO the Scarecrow is, and just how much of an actual sissy he needs to be to rely on a fear gas.


I agree but the only things I don't like about MOTP is that it's alot of flashbacks.


I dunno, I actually thought those were the best part of MOTP. The flashbacks really made it all mesh, and was pretty cool.....I especially loved the flashback where he first dons the cape and cowl. Powerful scene, the tone, the music.....gave me chills.

I still prefer BEGINS though......in the end, I feel it was a better movie than MOTP, or ROTJ (although it was freakin' awesome as hell). The animated series as a whole.......tough call man. I gotta side with Begins, but they're both so great.

[Doctor Octopus]

BTAS owns BB.

[El Payaso]

Well.....that is sort of the whole point about the Scarecrow character. His ONLY weapon is the power of fear, once he loses that.....he can get his ass kicked by anyone, including a girl. So, that was pretty much right on with WHO the Scarecrow is, and just how much of an actual sissy he needs to be to rely on a fear gas.

I truly get your point but, sincerely and with all respect... how lame is that?

[Kal-El 8]

I love both.

But if I have to choose one it's without Question BTAS .

[Bat Attack]

Batman: The Animated Series all the friggin' way. I just love EVERYTHING about it. :up::up::up::up:

[Spidey-Bat]

BTAS. Conroy's voice owns Bales'.

[Whack Arnolds]

Kevin Conroy is a Barry White as Batman rip off... hehe

[Sandman138]

Let's also remember that without BTAS we would have no Harly Quinne

[El Payaso]

Let's also remember that without BTAS we would have no Harly Quinne

And that is... like a bad thing?

[kooguy911]

BB hasnt been around as long as BTAS, and BTAS has seriously changed our lives for the better (not that BB hasnt, but not to the same degree)

I say BTAS

[Sandman138]

And that is... like a bad thing?

I regard her as a very decent addition to Batman's rogues.

[The Kid]

harley's a funny little crazy bich on the show.



I and the joker just like her for her body, really.

Also don't forget that without TAS, Mr. Freeze wouldn't be as cool as he is now. Cool, hehe.

[kenellard]

BTAS for sure, over ten years on, even the first episodes still hold up, the stories were rarely let down by kiddie-friendly writing and the animation was on the whole fantastic. that being said I don't think it's fair to say begins was that much more "grown up" than BTAS, BB was a summer blockbuster meant for kids too (it was only PG13)

[Whack Arnolds]

BEGINS is still 3x the better piece of Art, and it never has anything like "There is a Batman in my Basement". B:TAS, one of the most overrated pieces of Batman lore....EVER.

[The Kid]

hmm

that's just evil

[kenellard]

BEGINS is still 3x the better piece of Art, and it never has anything like "There is a Batman in my Basement". B:TAS, one of the most overrated pieces of Batman lore....EVER.

exactly 3x better? hold on, I'll get my scientific calculator....

[Whack Arnolds]

exactly 3x better? hold on, I'll get my scientific calculator....To be honest, it was more like 2.8. :o

[kenellard]

To be honest, it was more like 2.8. :o

I keep getting a load of 8's on this thing, I think I forgot to carry the 2....

[Spidey-Bat]

Kevin Conroy is a Barry White as Batman rip off... hehe

Go back to your crappy THE BATMAN

[Whack Arnolds]

LOL, look at dude taking stuff to heart. Go listen to your Barry White Batman...

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah go listen to Bat-Walrus

[chi-boy]

I was rewatching my TAS DVD and that show hasn't aged very well. The only good episodes are the ones done by the Japanese animation studios, everything else looks like Tiny Toons. There were alot of changes from the comics as well. Just goes to show that there is no one true version of Batman.

[ganstaman56]

it's impossible to choose they both depict batman the way he was meant to be. so it's a tie. and i'm so sick of these retarded vs. threads!!

[ganstaman56]

I was rewatching my TAS DVD and that show hasn't aged very well. The only good episodes are the ones done by the Japanese animation studios, everything else looks like Tiny Toons. There were alot of changes from the comics as well. Just goes to show that there is no one true version of Batman.thats a load o bull!!

[El Payaso]

I was rewatching my TAS DVD and that show hasn't aged very well. The only good episodes are the ones done by the Japanese animation studios, everything else looks like Tiny Toons. There were alot of changes from the comics as well. Just goes to show that there is no one true version of Batman.

Yep.:up:

[batmaluco]

PS - Lets have none of that "it's like comparing apples to oranges!" stuff. Instead, you may post the flag of Switzerland.

http://www.pilkguns.com/switzerland_gl.gif

[Spidey-Bat]

LOL, look at dude taking stuff to heart. Go listen to your Barry White Batman...

I don't recall Batman having the deep voice of a big black guy. Nor do I recall him sounding like Spider-Man as in THE BATMAN.

[LostSon88]

I was rewatching my TAS DVD and that show hasn't aged very well. The only good episodes are the ones done by the Japanese animation studios, everything else looks like Tiny Toons. There were alot of changes from the comics as well. Just goes to show that there is no one true version of Batman.

I disagree with you with the exception of a few early episodes of B:TAS...the show is timeless.

You want a series that hasn't aged well? Look no further than the Spider-man and/or X-men animated series'.

[chi-boy]

I disagree with you with the exception of a few early episodes of B:TAS...the show is timeless.

You want a series that hasn't aged well? Look no further than the Spider-man and/or X-men animated series'.

I only have the first volume. Does the animation stay consistantly good later on?

[Whack Arnolds]

I don't recall Batman having the deep voice of a big black guy. Nor do I recall him sounding like Spider-Man as in THE BATMAN.What are we talking about "The Batman" for? We're talking about Barry White as Batman in B:TAS.:up:

[Spidey-Bat]

What are we talking about "The Batman" for? We're talking about Barry White as Batman in B:TAS.:up:

Which never existed.

[Whack Arnolds]

He definetely is Barry White-ish. Whenever Batman talks in B:TAS I think he is ready to serenade Robin or another villain. Or maybe bust out an sing "Loving You".

[theMan-Bat]

Hahahaha! Well, Kevin Conroy didn't sound like he was taking a dump: "I BROUGHT MINE!"



:p

[Whack Arnolds]

Hahahaha! Well, Kevin Conroy didn't sound like he was taking a dump: "I BROUGHT MINE!"



:pYeah, Bale did sound like he was taking a dump with "I Brought Mine." But beyond that, he had the best Batman voice. :eek: :up:

[The Sage]

I thought Conroy had the better voice personally, and achieved the voice split a lot better. Nothing against Bale.

[Whack Arnolds]

Nothing taken, it's all opinion anyway.

[Super_Ludacris]

I think it's ****ing stupid people say **** like Conroy is the best Batman. All he had was the voice and that's all he could use in that medium. How can we compare? What about physical presence and looks and action ability. That's why these comparasions make no sense to me.

[Whack Arnolds]

I think it's ****ing stupid people say **** like Conroy is the best Batman. All he had was the voice and that's all he could use in that medium. How can we compare? What about physical presence and looks and action ability. That's why these comparasions make no sense to me.See I agree with Luda. And I didn't even think his voice was that great. He just tries to make it lighter and super chipper, like a geek as Bruce...then is Barry White as Batman. :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

* remembers the stupid "Conroy should be Batman in the new movie" threads from 2003*

[Two-Face]

See I agree with Luda. And I didn't even think his voice was that great. He just tries to make it lighter and super chipper, like a geek as Bruce...then is Barry White as Batman. :up:


Kevin Conroy was best for the voice of Batman unlike "The Batman" the actor sucked trying to voice do like Conroy.:down

[Whack Arnolds]

Kevin Conroy was best for the voice of Batman unlike "The Batman" the actor sucked trying to voice do like Conroy.:downI never said dude from "The Batman" has a good voice, lol. All I am saying is, Conroy is quite a few notches below Bale, Keaton, and Kilmer. Since essentially Conroy was imitating Keaton anyway, and didn't make it sound near as cool. Conroy is the most overrated thing along with B:TAS among Batman fans. It simply isn't as good as the legend you potray it to be.

[chi-boy]

I never said dude from "The Batman" has a good voice, lol. All I am saying is, Conroy is quite a few notches below Bale, Keaton, and Kilmer. Since essentially Conroy was imitating Keaton anyway, and didn't make it sound near as cool. Conroy is the most overrated thing along with B:TAS among Batman fans. It simply isn't as good as the legend you potray it to be.

Bale sounded like a surfer dude. I can't imagine him having conversations in that voice. It would probably hurt his throat too. I bet whoever he's talking to would be like,"You can just talk normal now, it's not intimidating anymore." At the least the previous Batman's sounded cool and sexy. Bale sounds like he needs cough medicine.

[Super_Ludacris]

You get used to Bale's voice like that as the film goes on. They was really only 2 examples where his voice sucked: The scene with Racheal in the subway and when he says "Its not who I am that defines me etc." Other than that it was on point like when he's talking to Gordon or when he got Flass on a leash .

[Spidey-Bat]

I never said dude from "The Batman" has a good voice, lol. All I am saying is, Conroy is quite a few notches below Bale, Keaton, and Kilmer. Since essentially Conroy was imitating Keaton anyway, and didn't make it sound near as cool. Conroy is the most overrated thing along with B:TAS among Batman fans. It simply isn't as good as the legend you potray it to be.

Conroy imitated Keaton A little, but he developed his own voice during the show.
Don't mention Bales voice. It is utter crap. I'd rather Clooney's or West's Batman voice (which is no different than their normal voice) than Bale's growl. BTAS isn't overrated. It's highly praised by Batman fans and many critics. Ofcourse, overrated has come synonomous with "I don't like it" here at SHH.

[chi-boy]

You get used to Bale's voice like that as the film goes on. They was really only 2 examples where his voice sucked: The scene with Racheal in the subway and when he says "Its not who I am that defines me etc." Other than that it was on point like when he's talking to Gordon or when he got Flass on a leash .

You get used to the fact that that's how his voice is going to sound for the duration of the movie, and that it isn't going to get any better. That doesn't make it good. He still sounds constipated.

[Whack Arnolds]

If by Bale's voice was crap, means it is completely awesome, and the only innovative and unique approach since Keaton...then, yes by all means it is crap.

[chi-boy]

If by Bale's voice was crap, means it is completely awesome, and the only innovative and unique approach since Keaton...then, yes by all means it is crap.

Unique yes, innovative no. Batman is supposed to be cool, not sound like a 50-yr old female chainsmoker.

[batmaluco]

Unique yes, innovative no. Batman is supposed to be cool, not sound like a 50-yr old female chainsmoker.
How can one thing to be unique and not to be innovative? :confused:

[Whack Arnolds]

How can one thing to be unique and not to be innovative? :confused:LOL, exactly. Completely contradicted himself in the same sentence. Oh, and I might like to add that 50 year old + chainsmokers sound EXTREMELY intimidating. Bale brought this to the table. Hell, his voice in the video game owns Conroy's Keaton impersonation. :up:

[TheGrayGhost]

LOL, exactly. Completely contradicted himself in the same sentence. Oh, and I might like to add that 50 year old + chainsmokers sound EXTREMELY intimidating. Bale brought this to the table. Hell, his voice in the video game owns Conroy's Keaton impersonation. :up:

No he didn't. "Unique" and "innovative" are not mutually exclusive.

Oh, and I loved Bale's voice, but Conroy's will always be the definitive Batman for me. And he didn't impersonate Keaton. That's just rubbish.

[Super_Ludacris]

You get used to the fact that that's how his voice is going to sound for the duration of the movie, and that it isn't going to get any better. That doesn't make it good. He still sounds constipated.

Not really.

Like I said in the scene where he's got Flass and when he's talking to Gordon in the Asylum it sounds fine.

[chi-boy]

Not really.

Like I said in the scene where he's got Flass and when he's talking to Gordon in the Asylum it sounds fine.

It's just too bad it's not consistent.

[TheGrayGhost]

It's just too bad it's not consistent.

He changes the depth, pitch, and cadence of his voice to suit a given sitation (much like Conroy), but it is in fact very consistent.

[Whack Arnolds]

How can a voice be inconsistent? lol.. it's just use differently in different contexts.

[Whack Arnolds]

No he didn't. "Unique" and "innovative" are not mutually exclusive.

Oh, and I loved Bale's voice, but Conroy's will always be the definitive Batman for me. And he didn't impersonate Keaton. That's just rubbish.Yeah, well he did impersonate Keaton. BTAS was HEAVILY influenced by the Burton movies, and it is quite obvious Conroy borrowed alot from Keaton's performance.

[TheGrayGhost]

How can a voice be inconsistent? lol.. it's just use differently in different contexts.

A voice can be inconsistent, but it is not so in this case.

Yeah, well he did impersonate Keaton. BTAS was HEAVILY influenced by the Burton movies, and it is quite obvious Conroy borrowed alot from Keaton's performance.

No, he didn't. The two are in fact very different in both vocal performances and characterization. I think you'll find that there are very few elements that the BTAS borrowed from Burton franchise. The only major element that was "copied" was the look of The Penguin. But that was later changed, which was a good thing in my opinion.

[Whack Arnolds]

A voice can be inconsistent, but it is not so in this case.



No, he didn't. The two are in fact very different in both vocal performances and characterization. I think you'll find that there are very few elements that the BTAS borrowed from Burton franchise. The only major element that was "copied" was the look of The Penguin. But that was later changed, which was a good thing in my opinion.True, once the series established its own character and mythos...it broke off from the heavy influence of the movies.

[TheGrayGhost]

True, once the series established its own character and mythos...it broke off from the heavy influence of the movies.

Agreed. But you're still implying that it shared elements from the Burton franchise at some point. Which is not true. But I must give credit where credit is due: without B89, there would likely be no BTAS.

[Whack Arnolds]

Agreed. But you're still implying that it shared elements from the Burton franchise at some point. Which is not true. But I must give credit where credit is due: without B89, there would likely be no BTAS.No, it shared alot...even its theme was almost a direct form of the Burton score. It was heavily influenced (see batmobile, catwoman, penguin, Joker's name being Jack etc.)...but it did slowly start to break away.

[TheGrayGhost]

No, it shared alot...even its theme was almost a direct form of the Burton score.

The key word is "almost."

The opening sequence (which is not the character's leitmotif) is derivative from some of the cues of B89, but they were still different works which conveyed different ideas; there are similarities, mind you, afterall, they were both composed by the same man (Danny Elfman), but there are more than enough differences too. Furthermore, you must keep in mind that this Danny Elfman-composed score was only used for the opening sequence. The real theme (and leitmotif of Batman) of the series is composed by Shirley Walker which is vastly different. I could go on, but it may get rather trivial...


It was heavily influenced (see batmobile, catwoman, penguing, Joker's name being Jack etc.)...but it did slowly start to break away.


Let's handle these one by one. First, there's the Batmobile. The fact that both incarnations of the vehicle in B89 and BTAS are derivative from the Batmobile in the comics certainly means that they will share similar constructs. But let's take a look at them, shall we?

http://www.moviecars.it/images/auto/batmobile_batman_1989_big2.jpg

http://www.queenitsy.com/btas/images/bmobile.jpg

They're totally different designs.

Next there's Catwoman. The same issue with the Batmobile applies here. Both characters are adapted from the Catwoman in the comics, and there are bound to be some similarities. But we are thinking just in terms of appearances; the characterizations of these respective characters are totally different from the get-go. The same occurs with the Penguin; they're respective appearances are similar, but their characterizations are vastly different.

And as for "Jack Napier," as far as I know, that name has only been spoken once throughout the entire run of the DCAU (not just BTAS.) And it was some unknown Arkahm assistant who assumed or inferred it was his name. It's commonly understood among the fans of the DCAU that the name is just one possibility in the long list of mysteries of The Joker. Again, though, the characterizations are vastly different.

BTAS was very different from the Burton franchise from the start.

[Whack Arnolds]

I never said the stuff was the exact same, I said heavily influenced. And it was. Even Bruce Timm admitted to it. It was created to help gauge interest for Batman Returns.

[TheGrayGhost]

I never said the stuff was the exact same, I said heavily influenced. And it was. Even Bruce Timm admitted to it. It was created to help gauge interest for Batman Returns.

Yeah, I guess I took it too far. But I wouldn't say it was heavily influenced at all. If one says that, there is implication that the series borrowed a lot.

[Phaser]

But let's take a look at them, shall we?

http://www.moviecars.it/images/auto/batmobile_batman_1989_big2.jpg

http://www.queenitsy.com/btas/images/bmobile.jpg

They're totally different designs.


No, they're not. The TAS Batmobile obviously seems to be inspired by the one in the Burton films. The front headlights are in the same position, as is the rear rocket exhaust. The basic design is very much reminiscent of the Burtonmobile, in that both are long and imposing in the front and short in the rear. The position and opening of the cockpit, another similiarity.

The only time the TAS Batmobile doesn't look like it's Burton films counterpart is in the 4th season.

[El Payaso]

http://www.mitchell.derbycounty.co.uk/cars/batmobile.jpg

http://www.queenitsy.com/btas/images/bmobile.jpg


Exact same s^it with little variations.

[TheGrayGhost]

I don't see it guys. They are different designs to me.

[Hellrider]

I grew up with BTAS ... I remember waking up every saturday for BTAS, Spiderman, and X-men ... I absolutely loved BTAS when I was a kid, and that never changed aswell. The voice were great, Mark Hamill is the voice of Joker. I absolutely love Begins, but I just love TAS just ... and I mean just... alittle more than Begins. I also prefer spiderman TAS and X-men TAS over any X-men and Spiderman movie. I just prefer the cartoons.

[Hellrider]

I don't see it guys. They are different designs to me.

They look pretty different to me ... Ofcourse there are going to be similarities, but there are more differences than similarities.

[Phaser]

I don't see it guys. They are different designs to me.

Really? Even after I've laid it down for you? I'm not saying you to just look at the pictures and figure it out for yourselves. I actually highlighted the similiarities between the two designs. Perhaps you're not seeing it because the TAS Batmobile has a sleeker, more futuristic look while the Burtonmobile has more curves and comparitively appears a bit more dated.

[El Payaso]

There's no worse blind man than the one who refuses to see.

[Katsuro]

I'd say the only major difference between the two batmobiles is the front exhaust on the Burton car. Other than that, it's quite the same.

[TheGrayGhost]

Really? Even after I've laid it down for you? I'm not saying you to just look at the pictures and figure it out for yourselves. I actually highlighted the similiarities between the two designs. Perhaps you're not seeing it because the TAS Batmobile has a sleeker, more futuristic look while the Burtonmobile has more curves and comparitively appears a bit more dated.

I see similarities, but not enough to convince me that the DCAU Batmobile was directly inspired from the Burton one. And the similarities aren't that convincing, either; the low headlights and the rear rocket exhaust (where else is it supposed to go?) are common Batmobile conventions. I remember reading a Bruce Timm interview explaining that the design of his Batmobile was a compilation of various Batmobiles from the comics.

[Phaser]

I see similarities, but not enough to convince me that the DCAU Batmobile was directly inspired from the Burton one. And the similarities aren't that convincing, either; the low headlights and the rear rocket exhaust (where else is it supposed to go?) are common Batmobile conventions.

What about the placement and opening of the cockpit? The basic design in that both Batmobiles are long and snouty from the front and wider in the rear is not something I've seen in the comics prior to the Burton films. As for the low headlights, aside from the fact that the positioning of the lights of the TAS Batmobile is in the exact same position as the Burtonmobile, I'm having a hard time recalling any comics prior to the Burton films that had the same kind of lights.

I remember reading a Bruce Timm interview explaining that the design of his Batmobile was a compilation of various Batmobiles from the comics.

http://www.rccarkings.net/batmobile%20large%20copy.jpg

http://www.queenitsy.com/btas/images/bmobile.jpg

Even though there are notable differences between the two designs, there are enough obvious similiarities to acknowledge the fact that the Burtonmobiles were very much influential in shaping the basic look of the TAS Batmobile.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I actually thought the final version of the BTAS Batmobile, in the final season, looked alot like the Burtonmobile.

[Warhammer]

^That one was my favorite one.
Except it was much shorter.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, it was much sleeker.....sharper looking too. It was smaller, which made more sense. Having such a long Batmobile just seems crazier because of the harder turns. Plus, it was all black too.

[El Payaso]

I remember reading a Bruce Timm interview explaining that the design of his Batmobile was a compilation of various Batmobiles from the comics.

Of course. People creating movies or Tv series always talk like they just created THE most original idea ever. But they don't.

[batmaluco]

Of course. People creating movies or Tv series always talk like they just created THE most original idea ever. But they don't.
From a Simpson's episode, people trying to create a new TV show, each one with his portable TV, then one said: "I'm having a brilliant idea, switch to channel 24..."

.........

[gamemiester]

BTAS by a long shot nobody will every come up with a better voice or look for Batman than in this cartoon.

[El Payaso]

http://www.rccarkings.net/batmobile%20large%20copy.jpg

http://www.queenitsy.com/btas/images/bmobile.jpg


Cripes. They're the same effing car. Except maybe fior that thing on the front.

http://heroicimages.net/toons/Resources/Images/Batman_BTAS/btas_penguin.jpg

Now, somebody claim that this animated penguin wasn't influenced by Burton and make my day.

[Sandman138]

I'd say the only major difference between the two batmobiles is the front exhaust on the Burton car. Other than that, it's quite the same.

Well, they are the same basic design, but one favors a more rigid Deco style while the other is more fluid. I think there is a strong enough difference in execution of the foundational design to asses them seperatly. However, anybody who doesn't think that the series wasn't influenced by the Burton films is kidding themselves, but this is not the bad thing that people are making it out to be and it certianly doesn't mean that Begins was somehow more faithful to the comics than the series.

[bdsproductions]

Are you kidding me? This is an easy one...

Batman Begins.

Either way you cut it, B:TAS was a cartoon made for little kids. Batman Begins as a story, is one of the best all time Batman stories told through any medium. It's a better origin than the comic, Year One for christ sakes.

B:TAS is too corny at times for my tastes. And it deviates just as much from the comic book as BEGINS does. Both are completely faithful to the essence, but BEGINS is the more grown up and edgier version.]

i don't think shows intended for little children have actual guns,violence,fairly accurate depictions of multiple personality disorder,the word tramp,and i do believe prostititues and blood.
oh and BB by the way,by far but TAS is second best.

[spideyrunner]

Batman Begins. I dont watch superhero cartoons at all.

[Daredevil_2003]

I dont like to compare the 2, BTAS is more of the classic fantasy Batman and is amazing, Batman Begins is more the Frank Miller, gritty Batman, and is still awesome just in a different way. It's 2 different interpretations.
It's not like Superman where everything is pretty much the same. And that's very cool b/c there's 2 different versions (3 if you count the camp one but I dont like that) that I can watch/read depending on my mood. :)

[CConn]

Of all the people who said they couldn't decided, only one followed my clearly defined rule of simply posting the flag of Switzerland. :mad: Unfortunately, I don't remember his/her name. :( But I do remember the flag was animated, and that was brilliant. :up: So in closing, you all suck except for the guy/girl whose name I don't remember who's awesome. :)

[blind_fury]

Batman Begins. I dont watch superhero cartoons at all.
The is the only rational reason to pick BB over BTAS. :o

[Whack Arnolds]

The is the only rational reason to pick BB over BTAS. :oHaha, wow.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lol......well, it's pretty funny.

[Whack Arnolds]

I'm laughing cause you'd have to be a complete retard to pick a kid's cartoon, that is a G rated version of Batman, over the REAL DEAL.

[blind_fury]

:rolleyes:

[CConn]

I'm laughing cause you'd have to be a complete retard to pick a kid's cartoon, that is a G rated version of Batman, over the REAL DEAL.Return of the Joker is rated PG-13, that must be as good as BB. [/sarcasmy]

Yeah, BB is more serious, more adult - which is excellent, I wouldn't want a Batman film to be any different. But, Batman isn't, hasn't, and doesn't have to be uber-adult to be an effective or extremely enjoyable interpretation of the character. Batman's always been about adventure and mystery, and those things aren't exclusive to PG-13 or R-Rated works.

[Whack Arnolds]

Return of the Joker is rated PG-13, that must be as good as BB. [/sarcasmy]

Yeah, BB is more serious, more adult - which is excellent, I wouldn't want a Batman film to be any different. But, Batman isn't, hasn't, and doesn't have to be uber-adult to be an effective or extremely enjoyable interpretation of the character. Batman's always been about adventure and mystery, and those things aren't exclusive to PG-13 or R-Rated works.I never said it had to be "uber-adult". B:TAS is enjoyable yes, but as a piece of art and as a serious story, I don't think it even compares. Maybe "adult" was the wrong word, B:TAS seems more 'watered down', then the 100% concentrated bad ass that is Batman Begins, or a Batman 1989 and Batman Returns. :o

Yes Batman has always been about adventure and mystery, and yes the character isn't exclusive to adults, but B:TAS is so extremely over-hyped by fans its ridiculous. Mainly just because you grew up with it infront of your eyes. It dabbles to much in adventure, and not enough in dark, gritty, and mysterious elements of the character.

[Qoèlet]

Now, somebody claim that this animated penguin wasn't influenced by Burton and make my day.
The appearance was certainly influenced heavily by the film... heck, he even had the giant rubber ducky, but the character himself is a whole different animal: cultured and eloquent as opposed to savage and crude.

I wouldn't say that Conroy was necessarily drawing on Keaton for inspiration, though. While it's true that their "Batman" voices were similar... well how the hell else is someone supposed to do the voice of Batman? It's just the only way to do it: it's completely intuitive to do the deep, somewhat raspy voice.. heck, it's even been described as such in comics, with no association reference film or television. That being said, Keaton used the voice as more of a fake, threatening voice that Bruce Wayne put on, whereas when Conroy was using it it came off as natural, not a performance. It was just the real voice, whereas he altered it significantly to put on the "Bruce Wayne" act.

[El Payaso]

The appearance was certainly influenced heavily by the film... heck, he even had the giant rubber ducky, but the character himself is a whole different animal: cultured and eloquent as opposed to savage and crude.

So... it was influenced by Burton.

You didn't make my day. :P

I wouldn't say that Conroy was necessarily drawing on Keaton for inspiration, though. While it's true that their "Batman" voices were similar... well how the hell else is someone supposed to do the voice of Batman? It's just the only way to do it: it's completely intuitive to do the deep, somewhat raspy voice.. heck, it's even been described as such in comics, with no association reference film or television.

You have to watch the '42, '48 and '66 versions and the 60's cartoons also and you'll find other ways to do it.

There's not THE way.

It seems there's one way after someone makes it so damn good it seems like any other choice would be wrong.

Any actor with creativity can tell you there's no one way to do things.

[Qoèlet]

Any actor with creativity can tell you there's no one way to do things.
If the character depicted in Batman TAS was anything like the Batman from "Superfriends", that would be a halfway decent argument. As is, the fact that the character Conroy was portraying was far more akin to Miller and Burton's Batman... as the vast majority of contemporary depictions were and have thereafter been. There wasn't a whole lot of variety in how to act the character. Now, had the writers decided to make Batman the campy product of the 60's, or even the more serious, but still rather personable Batman that the 1970's portrayed, Conroy might have elected to go a different route, but as things stand he still seperated himself pretty well from Keaton by choosing to play Bruce Wayne as an artificial-sounding caricature and Batman as a far more natural-sounding, if darker, voice. Keaton's Batman voice was a fake tough guy voice to hide the real man, whereas Conroy's was the real character.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, that's pretty much true.

[El Payaso]

If the character depicted in Batman TAS was anything like the Batman from "Superfriends", that would be a halfway decent argument. As is, the fact that the character Conroy was portraying was far more akin to Miller and Burton's Batman... as the vast majority of contemporary depictions were and have thereafter been. There wasn't a whole lot of variety in how to act the character. Now, had the writers decided to make Batman the campy product of the 60's, or even the more serious, but still rather personable Batman that the 1970's portrayed, Conroy might have elected to go a different route, but as things stand he still seperated himself pretty well from Keaton by choosing to play Bruce Wayne as an artificial-sounding caricature and Batman as a far more natural-sounding, if darker, voice. Keaton's Batman voice was a fake tough guy voice to hide the real man, whereas Conroy's was the real character.

Your argument is so weak that Bale himself did something different in the scene interrogating Flass.

So there.

[Atomic Crusader]

BTAS is really good, amazing work, but I identify with seeing Batman portrayed on film by a real person more strongly. And strangely, 'Begins reminds me more of the comics than BTAS. The comics are the ultimate, the source. 'Begins it is.

[CConn]

BTAS is really good, amazing work, but I identify with seeing Batman portrayed on film by a real person more strongly. And strangely, 'Begins reminds me more of the comics than BTAS. The comics are the ultimate, the source. 'Begins it is.BB is more influenced on the current and recent comics than the more classic stories like BTAS is, I think.

[SeriousDuke]

I would run home everyday after school to watch BTAS on FOX. I loved it.

Time passed... and I was away from the show for quite a while. Then, the good folks at WB decided to release box sets of the show. Well, jolly good then! But wait, I was but five years old when BTAS ended... would it still be good? I bought the sets. They were everything I hoped for and remembered as a kid, wrapped in one nice nostalgic bow. Excellent! The show was perfect for kids, yet equally perfect for adults.

Then, Batman Begins came out. It was great... but not as good as BTAS.

LONG LIVE BTAS!

[bdsproductions]

it's really a tie for me,i have seen volume one,MOTP actually ALl the aniamted films and most of volume two,it's harldly a kiddy show,it is a extremly great show.

[Qoèlet]

Your argument is so weak that Bale himself did something different in the scene interrogating Flass.

So there.
:rolleyes:

[Whack Arnolds]

Actually, BEGINS is based more off classic comic eras and stories then it is off the modern comics. All the way down to how Batman talks, and the amount that he speaks, to how he acts as Bruce Wayne. As Bruce, he seems alot more cheerful in BEGINS (ala 70's Batman and B:TAS) then he is in the current comics. The current Batman stuff sucks.

[bdsproductions]

Actually, BEGINS is based more off classic comic eras and stories then it is off the modern comics. All the way down to how Batman talks, and the amount that he speaks, to how he acts as Bruce Wayne. As Bruce, he seems alot more cheerful in BEGINS (ala 70's Batman and B:TAS) then he is in the current comics. The current Batman stuff sucks.

no it does'nt.this Batman is the eightie to nineties Batman IMO the best one,you get DKR the Loeb GN's and more!.

[Whack Arnolds]

no it does'nt.this Batman is the eightie to nineties Batman IMO the best one,you get DKR the Loeb GN's and more!.Batman doesn incoporate heavily, the best of the 90's (Long Hallwoeen), and 80's (Batman: Year One). So, BEGINS virtually encompasses all interesting and vital aspects of the character.

[Superman4ever]

I refuse to choose you fascist sons of Bi*ches! :mad:

It's like asking 'which kid do you love the most?'

[TheGrayGhost]

Cripes. They're the same effing car. Except maybe fior that thing on the front.

Maybe you see something that I don't. I don't see the same vehicle.



http://heroicimages.net/toons/Resources/Images/Batman_BTAS/btas_penguin.jpg

Now, somebody claim that this animated penguin wasn't influenced by Burton and make my day.


It's interesting to note that Bruce Timm hated the Burton vision of The Penguin, and wanted to do a more refined and less-mutant like Penguin, but WB Animation forced him to base his design off of the Burton one. He later changed it.

I don't think you'll find anyone who will say that the design wasn't influenced by the Burton vision, but I will say that the characterizations are totally different.

[El Payaso]

I don't think you'll find anyone who will say that the design wasn't influenced by the Burton vision

I found one ignoring the batmobiles similarities so i don't lose my hopes.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well......it's no secret that BTAS was inspired by a few visual aspects of BATMAN 89 and maybe even BATMAN RETURN a bit.

The cars are obviously inspired too.

[TheGrayGhost]

I found one ignoring the batmobiles similarities so i don't lose my hopes.

If you are referring to me, I must say again that I simply don't see the similarities; I'm not ignoring them, I just don't think the similarities are there is all.

Well......it's no secret that BTAS was inspired by a few visual aspects of BATMAN 89 and maybe even BATMAN RETURN a bit.

The cars are obviously inspired too.

There are very, very few. And even then, those similarities were forced upon them by WB Animation. They were more mandates than inspiration.

I honestly don't see much of an influence of the Burton films on the TAS. Both the visuals and the characterizations are incredibly different (which I think is a good thing.) And I'm not the only one who feels that way; just go visit Toonzone and see what they have to say there.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think the overall dark tone could be about it.....but then one would be forced to look towards the comics too.

That's the thing about studios....they force things...and make things worse. It's Timm's style and his group of people that manages to make it work. JLU, for example...I thought the studio forcing them to ante up the roster like that would have killed them.....but it worked incredibly well. JLU owns all.....and sadly, it's STILL getting killed. Why....why.....why.....

[JoeBoxer]

I just want to present this idea but what if someone were to make a Batman animated series not like the ones in the past but something like the Spawn cartoon I don't mean as in gory but just for a older audience more dark and mature like the comics. what are your thoughts? What could they Show?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....we're getting an adult-type Batman with the films. And so, I think Wb just sees the cartoons as a way to hit the children market hard and heavy (ewww).

[Lobster Charlie]

A bit of an impossible comparison. BATS has years of stories to develop the characters---Batman Begins is but ONE film, and an origin story at that.

But, to delve into specifics, I'd say that BATS is the definitive style guide to the Batman mythos. Batman is a 2D character, from comics, so naturally the cartoon will have the edge. However, Begins delved far deeper into the actual persona of Bruce Wayne/Batman, the complexities of his motivations, and, in just one film, really cemented the idea that Batman exists because Bruce Wayne has more than just vegenance on the line with his being the guardian of Gotham. The whole Wayne legacy and their history with Gotham is a very important aspect in making Batman and Bruce Wayne feel like a real person.

I'd love to see a combination of BB's grittines with BTAS...tweaking the style accordingly (not being too iconic and slick...slick, but with a bit more detail) and bumping the rating up to PG-13 at the least.

[TheGrayGhost]

I think the overall dark tone could be about it.....but then one would be forced to look towards the comics too.

That's the thing about studios....they force things...and make things worse. It's Timm's style and his group of people that manages to make it work. JLU, for example...I thought the studio forcing them to ante up the roster like that would have killed them.....but it worked incredibly well. JLU owns all.....and sadly, it's STILL getting killed. Why....why.....why.....

That was actually all Bruce Timm's idea.

[captain_jimbo]

I refuse to choose you fascist sons of Bi*ches! :mad:

It's like asking 'which kid do you love the most?'

Couldn't agree more, it's like Sophie's choice.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....I read in an interview with Timm, that the studio had a few demands....one being no more 2-part episodes (the season before, they had these pretty good 2-part story arcs all season long, but that was forced out) and I'm pretty sure the roster was a stuido move too.

Then there's the violence.....the first year of BTAS, "On Leather Wings" had Batman beed a little....and the was the first and last time that was allowed. But hey....BTAS was the first cartoon to be allowed to actually use guns, and not stupid laser guns.....i mean, wtf.......

[CConn]

Couldn't agree more, it's like Sophie's choice.Which is why I gave you all the option to simply post the Swiss flag if you couldn't decided. But none of you seemed to read that part of my post.

I bet you're liberals.

[fceeviper]

Animated and live action: can't really compare them, its a huge difference, its kinda ridiculous to do so- if you ask me.


But a gun to my head...I say BB.













I bet you're liberals.
:::Raises hand::: :D

[captain_jimbo]

BTAS was perfection. Took everything I loved about Burton's films, made it more in line with comic book cannon, and proved that you can make an intelligent story for all ages.

Brilliantly put, I couldn't have said it better myself.:up:

[Lots o lafs]

bb for sure even tho the sho was good

[ChrisBaleBatman]

fo sho.

[CConn]

fo sho.Uh oh. Someone's acing ebonics 101. ;)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well.......I am from the streets.....

[CConn]

Can...can I call you "Latin Heat" from now on?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Sure.....it'll be nice for my rep.

[Merkel]

Both were fantastic. TAS had the the advantage of having hours and hours and hours to delve deep into the bat mythos, with top notch voice casting and atmosphere.

However, I don't think any 2 hours of TAS beat BB.

[Spidey-Bat]

Both were fantastic. TAS had the the advantage of having hours and hours and hours to delve deep into the bat mythos, with top notch voice casting and atmosphere.

However, I don't think any 2 hours of TAS beat BB.
The Ra's 2 parter and MOTP do.

[JTStarkiller]

I absolutely love B:TAS, but Begins takes it for me. Don't really feel the need to go into detail.

[Merkel]

The Ra's 2 parter and MOTP do.


What does MOTP stand for?

[Jack Napier]

What does MOTP stand for?

Mask of the Phantasm. I love that movie.

Batman Begins is brilliant. When Bruce is telling Alfred on the plane what he intends to do in Gotham, the dialogue is frickin' Shakespearean to me. It's gold. I've seen that movie a lot.

Then again, I made it a priority to be home every single day after school in time to see the cartoon. The first time I saw that show and Batman yells "FREEZE!" at Mr. Freeze, to which he replies, "That's Mr. Freeze to you." I was hooked. Without BTAS, I wouldn't know who the Scarecrow was. Same with R'as Al Guhl. The origin of Two-Face was elaborate to the point I was annoyed it wasn't as well-done in Batman Forever. I had no idea who the hell Matt Hagen was, or what he would end up becoming. Harley Quinn. ****ing Harley Quinn. Harvey Bullock. And the thing with the show was, I didn't mind when Robin was on. They didn't portray him as a complete tool, and he was tolerable, even cool.

BTAS, but like a kid anticipating the next episode of that show after school, I await the potential that'll be unleashed in BB2 and BB3 :) .

[JTStarkiller]

And the thing with the show was, I didn't mind when Robin was on. They didn't portray him as a complete tool, and he was tolerable, even cool.

I agree. When I discuss with people when Robin should be introduced in the new set of films, each one will say, "Robin! God no! Never!" Thing is, I bet 90% of those people have only the Schumacher/O'Donnell interpretation (or perhaps Burt Ward) in their heads as the only Robin that exists.

If done correctly, Robin could be really incredible.

[Spidey 2007]

Btas, even though i voted for begins because i knew it needed help, lol. Btas is better. but you cant beat a perfect batman cinematic experience. Batman 2 will knock our socks off.. lol

[gamemiester]

What do you prefer Batman Begins or Batman Mask of Phantasm

[trustyside-kick]

I do not really see how you can compare the two when they are different genres: Movie Vs. TV Show?!?!

It would make more sense to compare Batman Begins to one of the animated movies like The Mask of the Phantasm, Sub Zero, Return of the Joker, and Mystery of the Batwoman. But I would compare Mask of the Phantasm because that is the best animated movie.

[El Payaso]

What do you prefer Batman Begins or Batman Mask of Phantasm

Batman begins.

[I am 6' 3½"]

Ah yes, another wonderful vs thread. But this time I'm asking the all-important questions that's really not that important afterall; what's better, what's the "definitive" interpretation of Batman on the screen? BB or BTAS?

Personally, I say BTAS. :up: But I'm sure some of you could be stupid and disagree with me. :down

PS - Lets have none of that "it's like comparing apples to oranges!" stuff. Instead, you may post the flag of Switzerland.BTAS:thing: