Sensational Spider-Man #26 Preview

[Kraven]

Didn't see a thread yet...
Source: http://comics.ign.com/articles/701/701389p1.html

Edit: All I'm seeing are red X's, and I'm goin to assume that's what you all see too.... If you can't see them just follow the link.

[Kraven]

Alright I was able to host them on imageshack after saving them to my computer... wow, that was more work than starting a new thread is worth:

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[Citizen_Kaine]

It's the artist from Venom vs Carnage ain't it?

[Norman Osborn]

That's some decent looking Art (shame it appears Madame Web's showing up)....who is this Crain guy and when will SSM get a steady artist?....is Medina going to be the guy long term?

[Kraven]

It's the artist from Venom vs Carnage ain't it?
That it is, Clayton Crain. I'm kinda disappointed that we don't see any more of Medina's art.

[Demogoblin]

I liked Angel Medina's artwork too. Too bad he is done. Still, I'm glad that Craine is taking care of the rest of the arc. (Beats the hell out of Pat Lee.)

1. Anyone think that Puma and Black Cat might get it on? They are both acting animalistic and both are "cats"....
2. Vermin vs Lizard? Interesting combination. Dont see how Vermin can hold up against Connors, but my interest is more than piqued.
3. Too bad the continuity isnt great. Madame Web is dead (or was reincarnated into a younger body....or something).

[Symbiotica]

Wow, BC and Puma [or whatever his name is] hook up.

Expect kittens in 10 weeks.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... ...........

[Demogoblin]

Wow, BC and Puma [or whatever his name is] hook up.

Expect kittens in 10 weeks.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... ...........

Just what I was thinking.

[Spidey-Jason]

Awesome artwork,imo:spidey:

[CConn]

Craine's a pretty good artist. And certainly "prettier" than Medina's style, but...is it really that wise to be changing the art this drastically right in the middle of an arc? They talk about writing for TPB, they should draw for it too. :o

[KingOfDreams]

To be honest, I don't really dig this psuedo-3D, "video game" look. And Marvel seems to be changing artists mid-arc lately more than they have in the past. That's kind of annoying.

[shinlyle]

Damn....that looks pretty good. If I use my thimb to blocl out the Iron Spidey suit, it even looks great! :up:

[Dangerous]

Would liked to have see a preview of #25 more, damn what happened to Medina, can't even finish one arc?!! what a downer.

[Blackie_Gaxton]

I had to put up with macfarlane, kupperberg, and saviuk back in the 1980s. so no moaning over no medina here, I can't believe there are fans here who think he's got a smidgen of talent. he's a poor man's macfarlane wannabe. only my opinion, but I'm already ready for the knee-jerk flames.

I'm PLENTY happy craine's taking over here...

[JesusOfNazarath]

cats boobs are lookin nice.:up:

[The Lizard]

Vermin vs Lizard? Interesting combination. Dont see how Vermin can hold up against Connors, but my interest is more than piqued.


I would have said the same thing about Black Cat up until last issue. :(

Hopefully Lizard will get a chance to whip someone during this storyline and redeem himself. If he ends up getting his ass handed to him by the likes of Black Cat and Vermin I think I'm going to cry....


...and then go on a shooting rampage at the Marvel offices. ;)

[The Lizard]

By the way, if anybody hadn't seen the preview for next week's Sensational SM # 25 yet, it's midway down this page: http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/12/marvelfirsts.htm

[Rez]

What the hell?

Medina is gone? As in, for good?

Well that's just effing great. I really dug his style, even if he was a "poor man's McFarlane." That still makes him better than most of the rest.
Don't get me wrong, I love Crain- and he WOULD make a damn good artist for SSM(if they keep it darker, which I hope they do) but it really pisses me off that we are switching mid arc. That's just ****ed.

[Demogoblin]

I would have said the same thing about Black Cat up until last issue. :(

Hopefully Lizard will get a chance to whip someone during this storyline and redeem himself. If he ends up getting his ass handed to him by the likes of Black Cat and Vermin I think I'm going to cry....


...and then go on a shooting rampage at the Marvel offices. ;)

Dont get me wrong, I like Vermin, but big mean crocodile beats big mean rat anyday.

The panel with Vulture, Lizard and Man-Wolf looks incredible. They all look very cool, but I like Vulch the most. He looks monsterous, like a zombie.

[TwilightPro101]

To be honest, I don't really dig this psuedo-3D, "video game" look. And Marvel seems to be changing artists mid-arc lately more than they have in the past. That's kind of annoying.

As much as I agree with that, I think this artwork is fantastic, but they do need to settle with one artist for a solid arc.

[Kraven]

There haven't been any summaries for issues after Feral, so maybe and hopefully, Medina will be back again. Though I doubt it, a man can dream.

[CaptainStacy]

Although im disappointed by the change in artists, this DOES lokk pretty cool!

Looking forward to this.

[wolvie2020]

This does look great, but I'm going to have to reiterate what everyone else stated here in terms of the art.

I really dig Crains style, but why have SUCH a drastic change mid arc?????

I dunno, something must have happened here. Marvel made a big fuss about Aguirre-Sacasa/Medina being the ne team for a good long time. And if anyone looked at Medina's site b4 this arc came out, it did look like he was gunning to draw Spidey from quite a while ago.

I wonder what happened? Could be some sort of personal stuff or emergency.

Either way, (no insult to Crains art as it is great,) it just messes with the story. It jars the whole thing a bit. Bet hey, if they did this on purpose, (which I doubt,) it could be seen as Medina did the art in the style of regular 2-D comic work, but then Crain was brought in for the more surreal/nightmare/horror aspect of they story.

Did anyone check the write up on Aguirre-Sacassa? Wicked little bit of history there! I've been getting really impressed with his stuff on MK4. Started off a little dull, but he's really shaped it into being a great book. Anyone know what other comics he worked on b4? I'd be really interested to find out!

[The Lizard]

Did anyone check the write up on Aguirre-Sacassa? Wicked little bit of history there! I've been getting really impressed with his stuff on MK4. Started off a little dull, but he's really shaped it into being a great book. Anyone know what other comics he worked on b4? I'd be really interested to find out!

Check out the most recent issue of Marvel Spotlight (from March, I believe), it has an interview with Aguirre-Sacasa and also David Finch. Aguirre-Sacasa also wrote Nightcrawler 1-12 and Amazing Fantasy 15 from last year, and the 2004 SM2 movie adaptation.

In the part of the Spotlight interview about the Sensational SM Feral storyline, Aguirre-Sacasa says "I bring in the Black Cat who is one of my favorite characters in the Spider-Man Tapestry." So it looks like my suspicions of pro-Black Cat bias might be correct after all! :eek:

I hope we have a writer come along whose favorite character is The Spot, so we can see The Spot beat up someone like Venom or Sandman. :up:

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

This does look great, but I'm going to have to reiterate what everyone else stated here in terms of the art.

I really dig Crains style, but why have SUCH a drastic change mid arc?????

I dunno, something must have happened here. Marvel made a big fuss about Aguirre-Sacasa/Medina being the ne team for a good long time. And if anyone looked at Medina's site b4 this arc came out, it did look like he was gunning to draw Spidey from quite a while ago.

I wonder what happened? Could be some sort of personal stuff or emergency.

Either way, (no insult to Crains art as it is great,) it just messes with the story. It jars the whole thing a bit. Bet hey, if they did this on purpose, (which I doubt,) it could be seen as Medina did the art in the style of regular 2-D comic work, but then Crain was brought in for the more surreal/nightmare/horror aspect of they story.

Did anyone check the write up on Aguirre-Sacassa? Wicked little bit of history there! I've been getting really impressed with his stuff on MK4. Started off a little dull, but he's really shaped it into being a great book. Anyone know what other comics he worked on b4? I'd be really interested to find out!

He did the Nightcrawler ongoing that ended up being only 12 issues. The first arc of it was great IMO, and the second one was good as well.

[spahn]

looks great. i agree with wolvie2020, why change artist mid-arc? either way, i like the new art and hopefully they can stay on for more than a few issues.

[CaptainStacy]

I've been getting really impressed with his stuff on MK4. Started off a little dull, but he's really shaped it into being a great book. Anyone know what other comics he worked on b4? I'd be really interested to find out!

I agree. The past year or so of MK4 was excellent.

Unfortunately, if there's nothing to complain about, then no one apparently cares.

[Donald Thomas]

I agree. The past year or so of MK4 was excellent.

Unfortunately, if there's nothing to complain about, then no one apparently cares.
Aloha,
I've been getting that feeling around here for over ayear now.
Spidey rules

[Popo 85]

"I hope we have a writer come along whose favorite character is The Spot, so we can see The Spot beat up someone like Venom or Sandman."

The funny thing is, I'd do exactly that. :D

"Unfortunately, if there's nothing to complain about, then no one apparently cares."

Yeah. The problem is, it's easier to complain than praise. There's not much discussion with praising, just some agreeing until the topic moves on. But a problem can be debated or discussed.

But Marvel Knights Fantastic Four was totally kick ass. It's a real shame it's ending. (Can anyone explain to me why they felt the need to change the title to "4" instead of "MK4" when they knew there'd only be three issues left? I can understand wanting to really define what a "MK" comic is, but with only three issues left...)

[Dangerous]

Clayton Crain does a good job again here, wonder how long it takes him to do a whole book..
Looking forward to this even tho my fav component from the title- Medina's pencils have now left.
Best Spidey book right now.

[The Venomator]

yeah amazing artwork, im glad ts crains artwork although i would like to see more of medina's

[Captivated]

I liked Angel Medina's artwork too. Too bad he is done. Still, I'm glad that Craine is taking care of the rest of the arc. (Beats the hell out of Pat Lee.)Medina's done? As in, gone for good?

*crosses fingers*

I just want to know when I can start my snoopy dance! :)

[Dangerous]

I just don get it when some fans don appreciate good art and prefer crap art like Bags.

[Dangerous]

Dammit, I get tired of waiting for this book to come out it takes to long!

[shinlyle]

Clayton Crain does a good job again here, wonder how long it takes him to do a whole book..
Looking forward to this even tho my fav component from the title- Medina's pencils have now left.
Best Spidey book right now.

Yeah, this is one Spidey book I look forward to getting. Good read, great artwork. I mean, it's the best Spidey book out there right now (which isn't saying much at all), but it's also just a GOOD book. That's all I've been wanting for about a year now.

[Cullen]

I agree. The past year or so of MK4 was excellent.

Unfortunately, if there's nothing to complain about, then no one apparently cares.One good series doesn't buck a trend.

But you're still right. I know I've spent more time carping than praising on this board, and I have read a good comic a time or two.

Maybe I should seek out some different horizons. just to get my "good feeling" about Super Hero comics back

[shinlyle]

One good series doesn't buck a trend.

But you're still right. I know I've spent more time carping than praising on this board, and I have read a good comic a time or two.

Maybe I should seek out some different horizons. just to get my "good feeling" about Super Hero comics back

Read Daredevil.....that book makes me proud to be a fan of superhero comics!! Brubaker and Lark rule.

[Norman Osborn]

Read Daredevil.....that book makes me proud to be a fan of superhero comics!! Brubaker and Lark rule.

Cullen: What Shin said.....and Punisher Max has been consistently strong as well

[shinlyle]

Cullen: What Shin said.....and Punisher Max has been consistently strong as well

Hell yeah....those two books, along with Ultimates 2 make up my top three comics right now.

[Norman Osborn]

Hell yeah....those two books, along with Ultimates 2 make up my top three comics right now.

Hmmm... I have to go

1/ Daredevil
2/ Punisher
3/ Ultimate Spider-man (Although for me, DeadPool was a little more miss than hit)

...I think I've had a different #3 for the past 6 consecutive months :) .....but the top 2 never change:up:

[shinlyle]

Hmmm... I have to go

1/ Daredevil
2/ Punisher
3/ Ultimate Spider-man (Although for me, DeadPool was a little more miss than hit)

...I think I've had a different #3 for the past 6 consecutive months :) .....but the top 2 never change:up:

Yeah, I love Ultimate Spidey, too....it just doesn't have quite the punch for me that Ultimates does. The only thing that really keeps Ultimates out of the top spot for me is the infrequency with which it ships. I mean, I don't mind a book being a little late every once in awhile, but 2 and 3 months late is too much.

Of course, every time I get an issue, I immediately forgive Hitch and Millar, but I stay pretty steamed until I get it in my hands!!

[CConn]

Personally, I haven't liked this past arc of Punisher at all. Maybe it's just the art weighing it down, I dunno. Daredevil is excellent, though. I was like the only person in the world who wasn't insanely crazy about Bendis' run, but Brubaker's been fantastic so far.

And I'm having a go as well...

1. Nextwave
2. Runaways
3. Superman/Action Comics

The best comics out there are the ones no one reads. :o

[Dangerous]

My fave books now are-

1-Dead Girl
2-Punisher Max
3-100 Bullets

[Venom Drool]

i was gonna drop this book if they stuck with medina. it was vomit inducing. this knd of art doesn't help things though... it works best with minis as opposed to ongoings... for some reason.. it kinda makes my head ache... almost as bad as medina' rendition of anything aside from the lizard.

[Captivated]

i was gonna drop this book if they stuck with medina. it was vomit inducing. this knd of art doesn't help things though... it works best with minis as opposed to ongoings... for some reason.. it kinda makes my head ache... almost as bad as medina' rendition of anything aside from the lizard.
HA! Glad to know I'm not the ONLY one who finds Medina more disgusting than intriging. Let him take his "great talent" and go gross up some other character's book.

This art... I will have to see... although from the August previews we know it IS short-lived. Unfortunatley Medina returns. :( Yuck.

If the stories are the tiniest bit slow or dull, Medina's art is going to be a deal killer for me. Kinda like... whats-his-name... Ramos. Double yuck.

[Venom Drool]

id take ramos' art over medina's. i dont know which way to look when staring at medina's work. at least ramos hasa dark appeal to things..

[Dangerous]

You guys would'nt know cool pencils if they bit you on the ass.
Both Medina and Ramos are some of the spikey-ist artists on Spidey is the noughties.

[shinlyle]

I have a few qualms with Medina's artwork, mainly his women, but, aside from that, I love his work. He has a very McFarlane-ish look to his work that I can't help but love.

All things being equal, I'd still rather have Clayton Crane, though. That man does some amazing art! His work on the Ghost Rider mini as well as the Venom Vs. Carnage mini, was awesome.

As fro Ramos....I like Ramos about 6-8 years ago. Over the last few years, his style has become too graffiti-influenced for my liking. I will admit that he has a very kinetic style, but I just can't get over some aspects of his artwork. His Aunt May was horrible, he draws hands with nub fingers.....little things.

As an artist, I respect Ramos a great deal, I just don't dig that particular style. Him, Skottie Young....just not my thing.

[Captivated]

I never said they weren't talented... they are.

So was Picasso... but I don't want him drawing Spider-Man either! Let me be more visual for those with limited art history...

Wow, it could be MJ and Peter!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/Captivated_Edge/Misc/K57U9ZGZPL_23OIJW6.jpg

Picasso, "Friendship."

[Captivated]

You guys would'nt know cool pencils if they bit you on the ass.
Both Medina and Ramos are some of the spikey-ist artists on Spidey is the noughties.
10 to 1 my understanding and knowledge of art could run circles around yours. But in the end, you like what you like.

Please translate using proper English...
"spikey-ist artists on Spidey is the noughties" :confused:

[shinlyle]

I never said they weren't talented... they are.

So was Picasso... but I don't him drawing Spider-Man either! Let me be more visual for those with limited art history...

Wow, it could be MJ and Peter!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/Captivated_Edge/Misc/K57U9ZGZPL_23OIJW6.jpg

Picasso, "Friendship."

I know that you never said it. I was just saying that I appreciate their talent so that, if this turns into a heated debate and someone says that I said he "sucked", I could come back to it.

Also, I like Picasso as well, and I would buy a Spidey book by him....if the story was worth a damn....which Sensational's story is right now, which is why I will continue to buy it. I'm just glad that Sensational hasn't resorted to "life-changing" arcs yet. It's almost 4 issues into this arc, too! FNSM didn't even make it 2 issues before it became a "life-altering arc"!

[Captivated]

I know that you never said it. I was just saying that I appreciate their talent so that, if this turns into a heated debate and someone says that I said he "sucked", I could come back to it.I really wasn't referring to your comment, which did seem more balanced... at least more than the rabid, weird art lover, Dangerous.

Also, I like Picasso as well, and I would buy a Spidey book by him....:eek: Seriously!?? Well, you just blew my example... I don't LIKE Picasso at all, I just appreciate that he is talented. It was just an extreme example, but I should have said, "someone like Picasso" (*cough* Pat Lee *cough*).

In reality, I guess I would buy a book by Picasso too, but ONLY because of his FAME, not because I like his art.

[shinlyle]

I really wasn't referring to your comment, which did seem more balanced... at least more than the rabid, weird art lover, Dangerous.

:eek: Seriously!?? Well, you just blew my example... I don't LIKE Picasso at all, I just appreciate that he is talented. It was just an extreme example, but I should have said, "someone like Picasso" (*cough* Pat Lee *cough*).

In reality, I guess I would buy a book by Picasso too, but ONLY because of his FAME, not because I like his art.


I prefer the more naturalistic style myself, but some abstart art grabs me. Picasso is one of them. He had a great eye for composition and he knew how to use colors and lines to emphasize the mood of the piece.

Had you said "Pat Lee", I think everyone would be in agreement. I don't know of anyone who likes his artwork.....not even Pat Lee.

[spideylover89]

If you actually study Picasso, you'd know he was a very talented artist. His realism is impressive, cubism was just a different approach for him. So yeah, I'd buy a spidey book by him too.
http://images.barewalls.com:80/closeup/pi/pic073c.jpg

Plus using an artist who centered around abstraction doesn't help the arguement. Realist vs. realist is a differnt story. As far as whether or not you prefer Medina's art, it's all a matter of opinion...art is in the eye of the beholder.

[spideylover89]

I have a few qualms with Medina's artwork, mainly his women, but, aside from that, I love his work. He has a very McFarlane-ish look to his work that I can't help but love.

All things being equal, I'd still rather have Clayton Crane, though. That man does some amazing art! His work on the Ghost Rider mini as well as the Venom Vs. Carnage mini, was awesome.

As fro Ramos....I like Ramos about 6-8 years ago. Over the last few years, his style has become too graffiti-influenced for my liking. I will admit that he has a very kinetic style, but I just can't get over some aspects of his artwork. His Aunt May was horrible, he draws hands with nub fingers.....little things.

As an artist, I respect Ramos a great deal, I just don't dig that particular style. Him, Skottie Young....just not my thing.

Agreed :up:

[Kraven]

Wordless Preview for #27:
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Medina's Back!

[Themanofbat]

I'm excited about the return of Stegron :up:

He was one of my favorites back in the 70's.

:)

[Lt. Figgnuts]

FNSM didn't even make it 2 issues before it became a "life-altering arc"!

Heh, you mean one issue? :P

[Kraven]

I'm excited about the return of Stegron :up:

He was one of my favorites back in the 70's.

:)

I am too.. I was totally shocked when I read the ending of 26, I would have never guessed he would show up. Good to see he wasn't entirely forgotten. :up:

[Dangerous]

10 to 1 my understanding and knowledge of art could run circles around yours. But in the end, you like what you like.

You seem very sure of yourself sir.

Never assume anything about the person opposite,
I think we would all do well to subscribe to that.
I myself have done 9 years of art college from 1996-2005 culminating w/ a four year degree in Illustration, a large portion of which was art history/theory based.
So for you to say ‘my understanding and knowledge of art could run circles around yours’
I find laughable to say the least.

Here's a tip- Get over yourself.

You are not the only one around here who knows more than a dime about art outside of comics.

Personally I feel it is the more cutting edge artists who by incorporating new styles into the comicbook keep it fresh and vitally, continue the evolution of the medium.
That is after all what the true significance of a real artist is,- to strive to make people think about something different or to look at things in a new way.
To reinvent the wheel.

Please translate using proper English...
"spikey-ist artists on Spidey is the noughties" :confused:

'spikey-ist' = spikey,
'noughties' = the decade we exist in now, and which succeeds the nineties.

[Dangerous]

Anyway, SSM#26 was great.
Bet no one saw Stegron coming huh, that was really cool to resurrect his character.
I thought Crain would wrap this thing up but it's good to see Medina is back on for #27.
Apart from the crap costume I reckon everything else about this book is hot.
I just hope we get to see Medina staying on till the red and blue’s come back.

[CaptainStacy]

Man, i am LOVING this arc!

I just about fell out of my chair when i saw Stegron at the end! I hope to see another Stegron/Lizard throwdown.

Sacasa rules the Spidey books right now, imo. Anyone know how to get in touch with him?

[Citizen_Kaine]

I marked out like a six year old girl when I saw Stegron at the end of SSM 26. In the Cameleon team thread I was hoping for him to show up as one of Spidey's "deadly foes" but this is like five times better.

Thank you Sarcasa, you are owning the Spider titles right now :up:

[spideylover89]

Sacasa rocks, JMS, Joe Q, and even PAD need to take a lesson from him. His arcs don't overhype themselves and yet Sensational is the best 616 spidey right now, he can *surprise surprise* write a decent Pete/MJ realationship, and his mastermind behind everything isn't green goblin. Now watch Marvel f*** this up and have him ditched for Hudlin or something. :mad:

[The Lizard]

I'll weigh in late with my thoughts on SenSM #26 -- I liked it! I'm glad to see Stegron back too, since he was a '70s classic despite being a Lizard-ripoff.

The art was spooky, moody and realistic enough to make me wish that Crane had drawn this arc from the beginning. My only complaints are the four fingers on Lizzy's hands (anatomical note to future Marvel artists - Lizards have 5 fingers on each hand and 5 toes on each foot just like humans), and the "memory" scene where the Lizard has a flashback to being with Billy as Curt Connors ... and having two arms in the flashback! Since Billy was a very little kid way back in ASM #6, the assumption has always been that Connors lost his right arm in battle before Billy was born. Another one the editors should have caught, but not a really big deal.

I really wanted to see Lizard get another shot at Black Cat before the end of this arc, but with Stegron popping up, I doubt that will happen now.

BTW - what kind of last name is "Stegron" anyway? I'll bet Vincent Stegron thought it was quite a coincidence when he not only turned into a dinosaur-man, but a Stegosaurus-man! ;)

[Captivated]

You seem very sure of yourself sir.

Never assume anything about the person opposite,
I think we would all do well to subscribe to that.
I myself have done 9 years of art college from 1996-2005 culminating w/ a four year degree in Illustration, a large portion of which was art history/theory based.
So for you to say ‘my understanding and knowledge of art could run circles around yours’
I find laughable to say the least. My statement was not absolute, it was about odds… I'm older than you. I have a Bachelor of Fine Arts (BFA) from a University, specializing in illustration, with a minor in art history. After graduating I went straight into the field of art/design and, let's just say, I've racked up more than 10 years of full time working experience.

Here's a tip- Get over yourself.

You are not the only one around here who knows more than a dime about art outside of comics. What a unbelievable hypocrite you are! Have you completely forgotten the statement you made that prompted my comment? You said "You guys would'nt know cool pencils if they bit you on the ass. Both Medina and Ramos are some of the spikey-ist artists on Spidey is the noughties." Bad grammar aside, it sure seems like you can dish, but not take.

You have consistently proved that you are INCAPABLE of letting someone criticize art you like or express an opposing opinion without argument and snide commentary. It gets really TEDIOUS. Take some of your own advice why don’t you.

Personally I feel it is the more cutting edge artists who by incorporating new styles into the comic book keep it fresh and vitally, continue the evolution of the medium.
That is after all what the true significance of a real artist is,- to strive to make people think about something different or to look at things in a new way.
To reinvent the wheel.Yeah… true… but all too often “artists” will use that line to try to justify pure-D crap.

[shinlyle]

That preview looks great!

Yeah, the arrival of Stegron is somethign I did not see coming. This has proven to be the most enjoyable Spidey arc sicne the "Hyrda" arc in ASM.

[wolvie2020]

Sacasa rocks, JMS, Joe Q, and even PAD need to take a lesson from him. His arcs don't overhype themselves and yet Sensational is the best 616 spidey right now, he can *surprise surprise* write a decent Pete/MJ realationship, and his mastermind behind everything isn't green goblin. Now watch Marvel f*** this up and have him ditched for Hudlin or something. :mad:

Heh, beat me to it.

This arc is great, loving every aspect about it. FINALLY!!!!!! A good Spidey book, that grown ups can enjoy! The tone and feel reminds me of Spidey books in the late 80's, and the artwork reminds me of the McFarlane days! Back when Spidey ALWAYS had the best artists in the world. Oh this is good

[wolvie2020]

Yeah… true… but all too often “artists” will use that line to try to justify pure-D crap.

Look, I don't want to jump in on your argument, but I can't help but say something after a line like that

Being a big Ramos fan, I can easily see Dangerous' side. You see, there's nothing wrong with saying, 'its not my thing.' Shinlyle made a really good example of saying a point without insulting an entire art form or people's tastes.

I'm not saying that you went over the top, or you're a major a-hole, all I'm saying is that when a lot of people talk about Ramos, they'll use comments like the one used above. While we can like the art, as well as most other ones that mainstream people like, we're made to feel like we don't know what we're talking about by people whose tastes lie on the more mainstream side.

While I actually can't defend him by jumping the gun on you, (I actually felt his comment was more in jest, thus the 'spikey' phrasing,) I can understand his point. When people discuss art on these forums, it does tend to be fairly mature. But when graff style art comes into play, there's a complete loss of respect. We're made to feel stupid.

My company which I direct works with a lot of graff artists, who came out of fine art educations. Yet, there's still this stigma. We were actually in newspapers for our support of graff art. My live in girlfriends brother gave up his art career 'cause he got fed up with people's views about his 'unique,' (basically graff, urban, cutting edge,) style of art when he was in University. My girlfirend still gets upset when she thinks about it.

There's a stigma that comics are made for kids, or weirdo's, or people who have no life. Well, a lot of people into comic make us feel like we're un educated morons for liking this style of art.

I know I've totally gone on, but I'm just trying to make you understand why some of us just get fed up and just make a nasty comment back. What makes it worse, people who like artists like Ramos tend to just leave these forums, and go talk art on hip hop forums, (which is CRAP trying to talk art with some of those people,) so we don't have many people on our side here. Yet, lots of people will always buy these comics with 'graff,' style art. Meaning, the haters will still hate, and a group of us here will always get it from every angle

[shinlyle]

Heh, beat me to it.

This arc is great, loving every aspect about it. FINALLY!!!!!! A good Spidey book, that grown ups can enjoy! The tone and feel reminds me of Spidey books in the late 80's, and the artwork reminds me of the McFarlane days! Back when Spidey ALWAYS had the best artists in the world. Oh this is good

I know...remember when ASM had Larsen, and Spider-Man had McFarlane? Whatever happened to Marvel hiring the best talent for their flagship character?

Why aren't following artists working on Spidey:

1) Hitch (yeah, he works slow, but he's the best out there, IMHO)
2) McNiven
3) Deodato (he got big on ASm, so they put him on New Avengers? BOO!!!)
4) McGuinness (He's now a Marvel exclusive, so you never know...)
5) Cassady (It would be....beautiful)
6) Bolland (Awesome artist....although he rarely does anything other than covers nowadays)
7) JR JR (love him or hate him, he's a great artist in my book)
8 ) The Dodsons (why doesn't Marvel throw them a Spidey book!?!Too late now....DC snatched them up...)

Anyways....those are just some examples. It's just a shame that, when ASm gets a new artist to replace Deodato, the best they can do is Ron Garney. No offense to the man, as he has his merits, but he's not one of the "hot" artists I'd have ever expected to replace Deodato, who was doing a trememdous job on ASM. Just my opinion.

Personally, I think Ron Garney does a far better Hulk...

[spideylover89]

Look, I don't want to jump in on your argument, but I can't help but say something after a line like that

Being a big Ramos fan, I can easily see Dangerous' side. You see, there's nothing wrong with saying, 'its not my thing.' Shinlyle made a really good example of saying a point without insulting an entire art form or people's tastes.

I'm not saying that you went over the top, or you're a major a-hole, all I'm saying is that when a lot of people talk about Ramos, they'll use comments like the one used above. While we can like the art, as well as most other ones that mainstream people like, we're made to feel like we don't know what we're talking about by people whose tastes lie on the more mainstream side.

While I actually can't defend him by jumping the gun on you, (I actually felt his comment was more in jest, thus the 'spikey' phrasing,) I can understand his point. When people discuss art on these forums, it does tend to be fairly mature. But when graff style art comes into play, there's a complete loss of respect. We're made to feel stupid.

My company which I direct works with a lot of graff artists, who came out of fine art educations. Yet, there's still this stigma. We were actually in newspapers for our support of graff art. My live in girlfriends brother gave up his art career 'cause he got fed up with people's views about his 'unique,' (basically graff, urban, cutting edge,) style of art when he was in University. My girlfirend still gets upset when she thinks about it.

There's a stigma that comics are made for kids, or weirdo's, or people who have no life. Well, a lot of people into comic make us feel like we're un educated morons for liking this style of art.

I know I've totally gone on, but I'm just trying to make you understand why some of us just get fed up and just make a nasty comment back. What makes it worse, people who like artists like Ramos tend to just leave these forums, and go talk art on hip hop forums, (which is CRAP trying to talk art with some of those people,) so we don't have many people on our side here. Yet, lots of people will always buy these comics with 'graff,' style art. Meaning, the haters will still hate, and a group of us here will always get it from every angle


Well put, and as someone who started to have Ramos grow on her I completely agree. So many people forget, art is in the eye of the beholder, you have every right to say it's not your thing or you don't like it, but you have no place to judge it and call it crap or tell someone else their understanding of art is minimal because they like it.

As for Medina, his people need work, but his spidey and villians are amazing. He has flare and I enjoy that much more than a flat Garneyesque style. Also he is very imaginative and he captures the mood of this arc so well, Clayton was also awesome to have on this book...I kind of wish they would just trade off arcs between the two of them.

[Dangerous]

My statement was not absolute, it was about odds… I'm older than you. I have a Bachelor of Fine Arts (BFA) from a University, specializing in illustration, with a minor in art history. After graduating I went straight into the field of art/design and, let's just say, I've racked up more than 10 years of full time working experience.

How nice for you.
I also have a Bachelor degree in Illustration I only got a 2.2 tho, din really like Uni much. I'm only really interested in comic art you see.
Well for the most part. I finished uni last year and now at 25 I am currently putting together my online portfolio. Which is mostly my Spider-man stuff.
My style is actually quite Romita Sr influenced.

What a unbelievable hypocrite you are! Have you completely forgotten the statement you made that prompted my comment? You said "You guys would'nt know cool pencils if they bit you on the ass. Both Medina and Ramos are some of the spikey-ist artists on Spidey is the noughties." Bad grammar aside, it sure seems like you can dish, but not take.

Hmm, lets see 'bit' was spelt correctly, as was 'spikey' and also 'noughties', (reffering to the decade we now exist in). So while they were forms of slang, they were at least spelt right.
Maybe if only the Queens english is good enough for you you would be better served not interacting w/ others on a message board?
I was pointing out that Medina is a good artist/great artist for Spidey and maybe your taste swings in the opposite direction but if you don like it, dont buy it. A lot of other people right now are digging SSM.

You have consistently proved that you are INCAPABLE of letting someone criticize art you like or express an opposing opinion without argument and snide commentary. It gets really TEDIOUS. Take some of your own advice why don’t you.

INCAPABLE huh?, sheesh that sounds serious.
I'm a fanboy what I can I say, I believe in what I say.
If by snide commentary you mean me dissing ...say, Bags because I know the person dissing the artist I like is a fan of Bags then so be it.
I like what I like, and if you are gonna say the artists I like are no good then I am gonna ripp Bags.

Yeah… true… but all too often “artists” will use that line to try to justify pure-D crap.

True.
However I know crap, and I don't dig any.

[Dangerous]

Look, I don't want to jump in on your argument, but I can't help but say something after a line like that

Being a big Ramos fan, I can easily see Dangerous' side. You see, there's nothing wrong with saying, 'its not my thing.' Shinlyle made a really good example of saying a point without insulting an entire art form or people's tastes.

I'm not saying that you went over the top, or you're a major a-hole, all I'm saying is that when a lot of people talk about Ramos, they'll use comments like the one used above. While we can like the art, as well as most other ones that mainstream people like, we're made to feel like we don't know what we're talking about by people whose tastes lie on the more mainstream side.

While I actually can't defend him by jumping the gun on you, (I actually felt his comment was more in jest, thus the 'spikey' phrasing,) I can understand his point. When people discuss art on these forums, it does tend to be fairly mature. But when graff style art comes into play, there's a complete loss of respect. We're made to feel stupid.

My company which I direct works with a lot of graff artists, who came out of fine art educations. Yet, there's still this stigma. We were actually in newspapers for our support of graff art. My live in girlfriends brother gave up his art career 'cause he got fed up with people's views about his 'unique,' (basically graff, urban, cutting edge,) style of art when he was in University. My girlfirend still gets upset when she thinks about it.

There's a stigma that comics are made for kids, or weirdo's, or people who have no life. Well, a lot of people into comic make us feel like we're un educated morons for liking this style of art.

I know I've totally gone on, but I'm just trying to make you understand why some of us just get fed up and just make a nasty comment back. What makes it worse, people who like artists like Ramos tend to just leave these forums, and go talk art on hip hop forums, (which is CRAP trying to talk art with some of those people,) so we don't have many people on our side here. Yet, lots of people will always buy these comics with 'graff,' style art. Meaning, the haters will still hate, and a group of us here will always get it from every angle

4real man, my style is much more classically based than anything like Medina or Ramos but I think these guy's pages look insane.
I have nothing but respect for these artists because I think to do what they do is a lot harder and a lot more creative than just trying to draw like Romita Sr or Bagley.

[Zenien]

Wow, BC and Puma [or whatever his name is] hook up.

Expect kittens in 10 weeks.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... ...........

Except they don't. :confused:

[CaptainStacy]

I'll weigh in late with my thoughts on SenSM #26 -- I liked it! I'm glad to see Stegron back too, since he was a '70s classic despite being a Lizard-ripoff.

The art was spooky, moody and realistic enough to make me wish that Crane had drawn this arc from the beginning. My only complaints are the four fingers on Lizzy's hands (anatomical note to future Marvel artists - Lizards have 5 fingers on each hand and 5 toes on each foot just like humans), and the "memory" scene where the Lizard has a flashback to being with Billy as Curt Connors ... and having two arms in the flashback! Since Billy was a very little kid way back in ASM #6, the assumption has always been that Connors lost his right arm in battle before Billy was born. Another one the editors should have caught, but not a really big deal.

I really wanted to see Lizard get another shot at Black Cat before the end of this arc, but with Stegron popping up, I doubt that will happen now.

Lol, that Lizard/Black Cat bout really got under your skin didnt it? I shouldnt laugh though; Im STILL peeved over Spidey losing to X-Factor's Strong Guy during the Infinity Crusade mini series...

What did you think of Lizard vs Vermin?
I liked it, myself. True, Vermin appeared to get the drop on Lizard, but Lizzy tossed Vermin away like he was little mmore than a minor annoyance.

Fingers still crossed for a Lizard/Stegron fight.

[CaptainStacy]

Well put, and as someone who started to have Ramos grow on her I completely agree. So many people forget, art is in the eye of the beholder, you have every right to say it's not your thing or you don't like it, but you have no place to judge it and call it crap or tell someone else their understanding of art is minimal because they like it.


Agreed. Im not an art scholar like some of our friends here, but i know what i like...and although i initially balked at it, Humberto's art grew on me pretty quickly as well. I thought he had a very unique, quirky style that served the character of Spider-Man (and friends) very well...not unlike Steve Ditko. (and no, im not comparing Ramos to Ditko in terms of style, skill, or creativity, just in their approach to the book.)

[spideylover89]

Exactly. Ramos fit the mood of the Spectacular books at the time, they were somewhat light hearted and less serious than the bigger titles. Medina fits the tone of Sensational as well. Sacasa's writing is very 80's spidey and Medina has a McFarlanesque style that matches well with the mood of the book.

[Deathlok2001]

Is Medina leaving the art chores? Who is replacing him? I might have to start picking up this book. The civil war tie in I will get & issue #29 looks very interesting, Its the return of the Chameleon!.... and he is gathering together a team of super villians

wonder who they will be....!!!!

[Kraven]

I think Medina handing the art chores to Craine was just for this issue, maybe because he was behind. I'm pretty sure he's not being permanently replaced.

[Dangerous]

Thats right he is back w/ #28 I think.

[Deathlok2001]

Ok thats good to know. Why is spidey wearing his blue & red custome in sensational when in all the other books he is wearing that new one

[MyPokerShirt]

Ok thats good to know. Why is spidey wearing his blue & red custome in sensational when in all the other books he is wearing that new one

um... he's not. look at the preview. i mean, he WAS but that's because wen they were done he didnt have the new costume yet so he changes mid-arc. annoying, but the whole things generally been handled badly tbh

[Dangerous]

Yup, Spidey wears his his crappy Iron costume in SSM unfortunatley.
Medina draws the red and blues real nice too, I hope he is still w/ the book when Spidey goes back to his original threads.