Kill the mutants

[JokerNick]

I was going over the character threads, and it hit me......... why the heck are there so many 2nd rate characters in this film. Of course this is just my opinion, you may like characters like Quill or Archlight, or ever the kid with glasses who changes channels when he blinks, and that's just great if you do.......... I just want to know, if it was up to you, who would you get rid of, and why........

I would get rid of Archlight, and Quill and replace them with Gambit (go the x-men evolution route) and bring back Sabortooth.......

[X-Maniac]

I would *possibly* replace Quill with Gambit, Arclight with Avalanche... I wonder if they chose Quill and Arclight as characters who could die in battle without too much fuss from comicbook fans. There's no way I would put Quill in the main Brotherhood line-up. (I'd also make Jean's costume a little less like Scarlet Witch because i want to see the Witch in a future movie!)

I'd love to see Sabretooth and Deathstrike again, but the return of Jean is enough resurrections for this movie.

[Chillin92]

I would *possibly* replace Quill with Gambit, Arclight with Avalanche... I wonder if they chose Quill and Arclight as characters who could die in battle without too much fuss from comicbook fans. There's no way I would put Quill in the main Brotherhood line-up. (I'd also make Jean's costume a little less like Scarlet Witch because i want to see the Witch in a future movie!)

I'd love to see Sabretooth and Deathstrike again, but the return of Jean is enough resurrections for this movie.

Technically you can say that Sabertooth didnt die.

[JokerNick]

Technically you can say that Sabertooth didnt die.

yeah, he fell onto that boat, and that was it, no mention, no nothing...........

[ProfeZZor X]

I was going over the character threads, and it hit me......... why the heck are there so many 2nd rate characters in this film. Of course this is just my opinion, you may like characters like Quill or Archlight, or ever the kid with glasses who changes channels when he blinks, and that's just great if you do.......... I just want to know, if it was up to you, who would you get rid of, and why........

I would get rid of Archlight, and Quill and replace them with Gambit (go the x-men evolution route) and bring back Sabortooth.......

I'd get rid of half of Magneto's Brotherhood army, and add in some of the original brotherhood characters, like Spiral, Blob, and Avalanche. Maybe even bring back toad, but give him a different reptillian look. (I hated the Ray Park grunge look)

[Neptune]

I bet he'll be back for the Wolverine movie as for the character replacements. I'd replace a bunch of brotherhood members for Avalanche, Gambit and Exodus. Those 3 plus Pyro and Juggernaut makes a totally bad ass Brotherhood.

[X-Maniac]

Technically you can say that Sabertooth didnt die.

We have to assume he is dead for now, as he is never seen or mentioned again.

In an ideal world, he'd have been captured and in Sinister's lab being enhanced ready for release in the Wolverine spin-off...

[Avalanche]

Avalanche is one of my favourite characters, or at least the Evolution version of him is. I don't mind him being skipped however if it means I'm going to get some interesting characters in his place.

[L0ngsh0t]

yeah i definatley think that Quill and Archlight are second rate villans, but they do pertain to the morlocks i think, more then sabretooth would...no doubt they should have kept sabretooth around, he is one of the biggest screw off in these trilogies, Avalanche would be cool, as would blob, but my guess is, is this...

Pyro, and Multiple Man are going to be probobly the two most prevelent Brotherhood members, and in the final battle the sentinals are going to be just as big of a foe..so i think that they brought these second tier bad guys in so they A) don't waste mutants which they can use to their extremes in like the Wolverine spin-off, and B) because they will be fighting the sentinals half the time anyways

[cookiva]

Would you rather have Gambit introduced and have him killed off? Anyways, Arclight and Quill have been confirmed as nothing more than henchmen with no relevance to the plot. Is that what you want for Avalanche? Not even 2 lines???

[L0ngsh0t]

i've herd quill defies magneto, i bet he has some deep dialouge in that scene...but not nessecarly avalanche, he was never much of a talker, but yeah it would suck to have gambit in there and have him not do anything because other x-men are more important to the story

[cookiva]

i've herd quill defies magneto, i bet he has some deep dialouge in that scene

Youve heard wrong......

[LEX]

I've always liked Avalanche from X-Men: Evolution. So, I would rather see him than Arclight. Don't really care if he only has one line or zilch. And I'd replace Gambit with some random Brotherhood mutant who is likely to have a two-second cameo. I just want to see a hand holding a pair of energized poker cards or two burning red eyes. That'd do it for me.

And then leave the rest of Gambit in X4 with a larger role. He can get recruited by Sinister to lead the Marauders.

[_BB_]

3 words:

Kill The Quill

[Paste Pot Pete]

I see no reason why Avalanche couldn't have been in Arclight's place. Quill I could see keeping because he has a power that is both unique and probably pretty cheap to create (in comparison to some others).

But just from the trailer we can see that they're certainly putting money into Arclight's powers, so Avalanche could've easily replaced her. You'd just have a more recognizable character, a classic member of the Brotherhood, and..most likely an actor less fugly than Ohmyrha (sp). :up:

Plus, it's not like the Gambit situation; I doubt they're saving Avalanche for some huge role in a phantom sequel.

[lordofthenerds]

3 words:

Kill The Quill
Nice rhyme. :up:

[X-Maniac]

I think it's possible some characters changed from the very early drafts (during Vaughn's time). Omahyra is wearing a mesh top that looks very like the snake-belly of Stacy X... and Ken Leung is wearing heavy clothing despite having spines popping out...

Why does Omahyra's outfit scream Stacy X? Why would a quilled mutant cover his body with heavy clothing?

I am beginning to wonder if Omahyra was originally cast as Stacy X and Ken Leung was cast as someone else as well...

[L0ngsh0t]

when i first herd of a character with asian descent i was praying for sunfire...

i will again reiterate...I honestly don't think when it comes down to it, this conversation will matter, bust this..

the main villans are going to be, Pheonix, Magneto, Mystique, Juggarnaut, Pyro, and the Sentinals, there is no outcry need for second hand villans like Avalanche

how much money do you think it would cost to make an earthquake, everytime avalanche uses his powers, for a non important character that is a alot of money..

personally Avalanche is one of the last villans i thought was going to be in it, or wanted to be in it (albeit, more the archlight, or quill) so i am not complaning

Gambit on the other hand, i would have really liked to see him in it, but definatley not the gambit from evolutions...but also definatley not a brush over "colossus form x2" where he only gets his one moment to shine, i would rather not be given the ultimate tease, and wait till he is a main character so he can deliver his suave dialouge

[X-Maniac]

I can see your point about Avalanche. Simon Kinberg said over at xverse that Avalanche's power was more physical and more wide-ranging than Arclight's shockwaves.. they obviously want to limit the physically destructive, matter-manipulating mutants to Magneto and Phoenix..

Quill is so obscure they obviously took the idea from Spyke, the cartoon-only character in Evo. Co-writer Zak Penn hadn't even heard of Sunspot, so how on earth did they stumble across using Quill. Zak did say he'd heard of Sunfire.

But Sunfire's power clashes with Pyro and also any fiery power they give to Phoenix...

We'll know more when we see the movie and maybe they will tell us then exactly how they decided things and what they changed...

[EmmaFrostRules]

erghh avalanche and other people can be saved for other films. for example x4could have scarlet witch quicksilver toad sabretooth avalanche and the blob introduced.

[ShadowBoxing]

Quill should have been Gambit...especially since he may turn traitor on Magneto at the end

[EmmaFrostRules]

what about psylocke...they could have done that easily. plus people would not want gambit without a metal stick. magneto could easily use that stick to gut gambit in a second. do people want that??

[ShadowBoxing]

what about psylocke...they could have done that easily. plus people would not want gambit without a metal stick. magneto could easily use that stick to gut gambit in a second. do people want that??Problem solved...have him use a wooden bow staff

[chaseter]

erghh avalanche and other people can be saved for other films. for example x4could have scarlet witch quicksilver toad sabretooth avalanche and the blob introduced.
No more Toad...plus he's dead or drowned.

[Abaddon]

Neither Toad or Sabretooth is dead,especially seeing as they were in early drafts of X2.

[Exploding Boy]

Id like to see Unus fight Beast.

[chaseter]

Neither Toad or Sabretooth is dead,especially seeing as they were in early drafts of X2.
Sabretooth landed on a boat. Toad was zapped to crap and landed in the water. He's a gonner. Gambit was also in drafts of X2, so were sentinels, but they didn't make it. So we can assume they died. Where else would they go anyways??? Why would they not return to Magneto???

[Abaddon]

Sabretooth landed on a boat. Toad was zapped to crap and landed in the water. He's a gonner. Gambit was also in drafts of X2, so were sentinels, but they didn't make it. So we can assume they died. Where else would they go anyways??? Why would they not return to Magneto???

Because he was captured.:confused:



Toad and Sabretooth were supposed to be among the mutants brainwashed by Stryker.Toad was to have a scene fighting Nightcrawler

[chaseter]

Well they unfortunately didn't. So most people I know, including myself, logically assume they died after they got their @sses handed to them.

[Abaddon]

Sabretooth wouldnt have died.:o

And Toad wasnt zapped.The rail his tongue was attached to was.Therefore,I like to think he survived and is wandering about,or perhaps being held captive.

[chaseter]

Sabretooth wouldnt have died.:o

And Toad wasnt zapped.The rail his tongue was attached to was.Therefore,I like to think he survived and is wandering about,or perhaps being held captive.
You don't think that the thousands upon thousands of volts that went through the pole didn't go though Toad's tongue??? Yea right...he was grounded and electricity effects all those that are grounded. He got a huge dose of ohms. Plus you can see sparks and electricity still coming out of him when he is flying towards the water.

[TNC9852002]

The X-Men movies are doing a good job of showcasing our favorites and the popular mutants, but they're also servicing a great deal to the comics by giving us mutants that some of might've forgotten and make them memorable and more interesting than the comics...It helps broaden the scope, IMO...

-TNC

[Abaddon]

You don't think that the thousands upon thousands of volts that went through the pole didn't go though Toad's tongue??? Yea right...he was grounded and electricity effects all those that are grounded. He got a huge dose of ohms. Plus you can see sparks and electricity still coming out of him when he is flying towards the water.


*covers ears*



LALALALALALALALALLA!:o

[newwaveboy87]

The X-Men movies are doing a good job of showcasing our favorites and the popular mutants, but they're also servicing a great deal to the comics by giving us mutants that some of might've forgotten and make them memorable and more interesting than the comics...It helps broaden the scope, IMO...

-TNC
i agree. one of my favorite things about the franchise is the random mutant cameos from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and lower tier characters from the books. Artie, Siryn, Jubilee, Cypher, Quill, Arclight, Multiple Man, and various students at Xaivers - who would have thought to put them into a movie? sure some of them have their small fan base, but for the most part they're randomly selected choices in our view. they work to showcase the various power levels that mutant-kind can have. they serve a purpose to show the general audience that not all mutant power are as wowmazing as the X-Men, Brotherhood, or Stryker's bunch.

i say - keep 'em!

[theJust]

i dont think we have a choice in the matter.

[JokerNick]

Quill should have been Gambit...especially since he may turn traitor on Magneto at the end

I would have got rid of quill, replaced him with Gambit...... have it that you don't know Gambits part of the brotherhood in the beginning, he would run into rouge somewhere, be kinda flirty with her....... later towards the end, during the final battle, we see that gambit is part of the brotherhood...... then there's the big fight, maybe have Gambit fighting bobby, then all a sudden rouge appears, at first she is startled that Gambit is with the brotherhood, then all a sudden archlight attacks rogue, Gambit sees this, blinds bobby for a moment by exloding a card in his face, runs over and strikes down archlight, Rogue islaying there, looking at Gambit with confusion. she says "aren't you with them" and Gambit says with a smirk "things aren't always what they seem".............. later after the fight, after the brotherhood is defeated, the x-men want eliminate Gambit since he's the only one left standing, Rogue comes to his defense saying that he's not like the brotherhood, that he saved her life by killing archlight, the x-men don't like it, but they decide to let him be, even though they don't trust him.......................... I really think they should have done something along this line, it would inroduce him well to the X-world, plus if there is an x4 and it involves sinister, everything would be set up.............

[intensity]

i agree. one of my favorite things about the franchise is the random mutant cameos from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and lower tier characters from the books. Artie, Siryn, Jubilee, Cypher, Quill, Arclight, Multiple Man, and various students at Xaivers - who would have thought to put them into a movie? sure some of them have their small fan base, but for the most part they're randomly selected choices in our view. they work to showcase the various power levels that mutant-kind can have. they serve a purpose to show the general audience that not all mutant power are as wowmazing as the X-Men, Brotherhood, or Stryker's bunch.

i say - keep 'em!

Just so you know, I'm not bashing you or anything- just stating some facts- Jubilee and Multiple Man have no place on your list of 'lower tier' characters, and to a lesser extent, neither does Siryn. Jubilee is one of the most recognizeable and more prominent X-Characters in the Marvel Universe- I don't want to go into a long drawn out history of Jubes and just how cool/important she is... since it would really take awhile. Multiple Man is currently one of the most popular characters, being a mainstay in the current X-Factor title.

I agree with you in that I really don't understand why Quill and Arclight are in this film... I've only heard of them or seen a picture of them once in my years of collecting X-Comics... I don't think they even qualify as 2nd rate characters... they are practically the bottom of the list and should be if you were a director/writer choosing which mutants should appear in the films. How come Psylocke is placed on brotherhood status briefly until she is killed off in this film? She's an X-Man. There are so many cool supervillains in the X-Men universe that could be in the film franchise instead of Archlight and Quill(who is actually a new new mutant in the comics,) like Blob, SAURON, Black Queen, Omega Red, Sinister, Black Tom Cassidy, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Brood, Mojo, Apocolypse, etc.

Also, on the topic of the x-students... there are literally dozens of students who've attended Xavier Institute in the comics... not once has there been a person named Jones(who can change the tv channel!) or X-Kid(who can make paper airplanes fly!) Why in the world are they in this film? The movie is crowded enough with X-Characters... why replace or take up time of deserving characters like Jubilee, Psylocke, Gambit with the likes of the made up no-named mutant kids? Gambit had his name appear on a computer screen! Wow that sure made me appreciate him even more! Jubilee's been in all three films, and she hasn't even received a power scene that made the final cut. As she likes to say, Lame.

[L0ngsh0t]

Sabretooth wouldnt have died.:o

And Toad wasnt zapped.The rail his tongue was attached to was.Therefore,I like to think he survived and is wandering about,or perhaps being held captive.


sabretooth as mutant regenoration powers just like wolverine, albeit not the same caliber, but seriously, he can survive a big fall


i also refuse to belive that ether archlight or quill will be of significant stature in the movies i have said before, i think the hierarchy goes

magneto
juggarnaut
mystique
pyro
sentinals

those are going to be the big 5 the the xmen have to worry about and the rest are just fillers

[Iceman]

The X-Men movies are doing a good job of showcasing our favorites and the popular mutants, but they're also servicing a great deal to the comics by giving us mutants that some of might've forgotten and make them memorable and more interesting than the comics...It helps broaden the scope, IMO...

-TNC



i agree. one of my favorite things about the franchise is the random mutant cameos from 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and lower tier characters from the books. Artie, Siryn, Jubilee, Cypher, Quill, Arclight, Multiple Man, and various students at Xaivers - who would have thought to put them into a movie? sure some of them have their small fan base, but for the most part they're randomly selected choices in our view. they work to showcase the various power levels that mutant-kind can have. they serve a purpose to show the general audience that not all mutant power are as wowmazing as the X-Men, Brotherhood, or Stryker's bunch.

i say - keep 'em!


Agree with both the above :up::up:

[X-Maniac]

Just so you know, I'm not bashing you or anything- just stating some facts- Jubilee and Multiple Man have no place on your list of 'lower tier' characters, and to a lesser extent, neither does Siryn. Jubilee is one of the most recognizeable and more prominent X-Characters in the Marvel Universe- I don't want to go into a long drawn out history of Jubes and just how cool/important she is... since it would really take awhile. Multiple Man is currently one of the most popular characters, being a mainstay in the current X-Factor title.

I agree with you in that I really don't understand why Quill and Arclight are in this film... I've only heard of them or seen a picture of them once in my years of collecting X-Comics... I don't think they even qualify as 2nd rate characters... they are practically the bottom of the list and should be if you were a director/writer choosing which mutants should appear in the films. How come Psylocke is placed on brotherhood status briefly until she is killed off in this film? She's an X-Man. There are so many cool supervillains in the X-Men universe that could be in the film franchise instead of Archlight and Quill(who is actually a new new mutant in the comics,) like Blob, SAURON, Black Queen, Omega Red, Sinister, Black Tom Cassidy, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Brood, Mojo, Apocolypse, etc.

Also, on the topic of the x-students... there are literally dozens of students who've attended Xavier Institute in the comics... not once has there been a person named Jones(who can change the tv channel!) or X-Kid(who can make paper airplanes fly!) Why in the world are they in this film? The movie is crowded enough with X-Characters... why replace or take up time of deserving characters like Jubilee, Psylocke, Gambit with the likes of the made up no-named mutant kids? Gambit had his name appear on a computer screen! Wow that sure made me appreciate him even more! Jubilee's been in all three films, and she hasn't even received a power scene that made the final cut. As she likes to say, Lame.

You make some good points. I've always been a bit split about the idea of using made-up characters in the movies. Mainly because there are hundreds of actual existing characters to choose from in the 40 years of comicbook stories. Although i can understand why they might have gone for simple, low-budget choices who enriched the movie universe and showed that not all mutants are powerful or dangerous.

During the night raid on the mansion in X2, they had intended to show Husk being grabbed by soldiers and then slipping out of her skin to try to esape. Maybe it was too costly to do that. I'd certainly have preferred to see Husk or even Wolfsbane (staying awake during a full moon) in that night raid scene.

This issues is always going to divide people.

[intensity]

You make some good points. I've always been a bit split about the idea of using made-up characters in the movies. Mainly because there are hundreds of actual existing characters to choose from in the 40 years of comicbook stories. Although i can understand why they might have gone for simple, low-budget choices who enriched the movie universe and showed that not all mutants are powerful or dangerous.

During the night raid on the mansion in X2, they had intended to show Husk being grabbed by soldiers and then slipping out of her skin to try to esape. Maybe it was too costly to do that. I'd certainly have preferred to see Husk or even Wolfsbane (staying awake during a full moon) in that night raid scene.

This issues is always going to divide people.

yeah, I felt that the raid on the mansion was too watered down for an X-Men movie... here you have a mansion full of superpowered teenagers, and only Colossus, Shadowcat, Iceman, and Siryn do something about it. It could have been the best scene in the movie. The X2 novel had Jubilee blasting a soldier through a wall, Paige husking to escape, wolfsbane running away... all of which would have been so awesome to see. Instead Paige and Wolfsbane aren't even in the film... and Jubilee's scenes were deleted, so in the final cut of the movie, Storm randomly mentions Jubilee's name when she and Nightcrawler find the kids.

[phoenix_force]

sabretooth as mutant regenoration powers just like wolverine, albeit not the same caliber, but seriously, he can survive a big fall


i also refuse to belive that ether archlight or quill will be of significant stature in the movies i have said before, i think the hierarchy goes

magneto
juggarnaut
mystique
pyro
sentinals

those are going to be the big 5 the the xmen have to worry about and the rest are just fillers
cough...phoenix...cough

[JokerNick]

cough...phoenix...cough

good catch

[formerlynorcal]

yeah, I felt that the raid on the mansion was too watered down for an X-Men movie... here you have a mansion full of superpowered teenagers, and only Colossus, Shadowcat, Iceman, and Siryn do something about it. It could have been the best scene in the movie. The X2 novel had Jubilee blasting a soldier through a wall, Paige husking to escape, wolfsbane running away... all of which would have been so awesome to see. Instead Paige and Wolfsbane aren't even in the film... and Jubilee's scenes were deleted, so in the final cut of the movie, Storm randomly mentions Jubilee's name when she and Nightcrawler find the kids.


I totally agree, this could have been one of the badass sence in X2 but noooooo. With what we're seeing of X3 and of everything I didnt like and thought they should have changed in X1 and X2, Bryan Singer is a ****ing retard.:down :down :mad:

[JokerNick]

I totally agree, this could have been one of the badass sence in X2 but noooooo. With what we're seeing of X3 and of everything I didnt like and thought they should have changed in X1 and X2, Bryan Singer is a ****ing retard.:down :down :mad:

not really, considering he made two good X-Men movies, produces TV shows, directed part of King Kong, Directed the Ussual suspects, and not to mention makes more money in a month then any of us make in a year......... based on that, I don't think he's a retard


also don't forget, we got the left overs from superman returns, namely Ratner, maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I think his movies are average at best, watch the ussual suspects then watch Family Man, and tell me who' the better director.........

[The Comedian]

yeah, I felt that the raid on the mansion was too watered down for an X-Men movie... here you have a mansion full of superpowered teenagers, and only Colossus, Shadowcat, Iceman, and Siryn do something about it. It could have been the best scene in the movie. The X2 novel had Jubilee blasting a soldier through a wall, Paige husking to escape, wolfsbane running away... all of which would have been so awesome to see. Instead Paige and Wolfsbane aren't even in the film... and Jubilee's scenes were deleted, so in the final cut of the movie, Storm randomly mentions Jubilee's name when she and Nightcrawler find the kids.

Yeah, in the commentary originally Jubilee was going to absorb the elctricity from a taser asnd blast it back at the guy (her powers were altered a bit in the movieverse it seems to be electric-based).

But I can't help but think how good this scene had the potential to be. When Colossus tells Wolverine he can help him, I was screaming in my head "YES DAMMIT!!! LET HIM HELP YOU! Just having Colossus help Wolvie fight the soldiers would have made the scene for me.

I was really dissapointed by this scene becasue there was a line in one of the trailers where Xavier says something along the lines of "I pity the person who goes into that mansion, looking for a fight". This got m excited that there was gonna be a big battle where all the x-kids would totally Own the soldiers when they tried to abduct them, instead it was barely a fight. So much wasted potential. :down

[The Comedian]

not really, considering he made two good X-Men movies, produces TV shows, directed part of King Kong, Directed the Ussual suspects, and not to mention makes more money in a month then any of us make in a year......... based on that, I don't think he's a retard


also don't forget, we got the left overs from superman returns, namely Ratner, maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I think his movies are average at best, watch the ussual suspects then watch Family Man, and tell me who' the better director.........

Six months ago, I would have agreed wth you, but almost everything that's come out has made me think that maybe Ratner was the right decision. Ratner at least knew how to direct action, which is a skill Singer didn't really have prior to X1.

Maybe we needed someone who would pull out all the stops to make an exciting film instead of someone using the franchise as a tool to push his own political agenda. And yes, I agree that Brian Singer overall is a better director, but every director's slill doesn't necessarily traslate to every genre of film. Rush Hour and the Usual Suspects are very different movies, but the skills needed to make Rush Hour are closer IMO to the skills needed for a superhero movie than the skills for a film like Usual Suspects are.

[chaseter]

Yeah, in the commentary originally Jubilee was going to absorb the elctricity from a taser asnd blast it back at the guy (her powers were altered a bit in the movieverse it seems to be electric-based).

But I can't help but think how good this scene had the potential to be. When Colossus tells Wolverine he can help him, I was screaming in my head "YES DAMMIT!!! LET HIM HELP YOU! Just having Colossus help Wolvie fight the soldiers would have made the scene for me.

I was really dissapointed by this scene becasue there was a line in one of the trailers where Xavier says something along the lines of "I pity the person who goes into that mansion, looking for a fight". This got m excited that there was gonna be a big battle where all the x-kids would totally Own the soldiers when they tried to abduct them, instead it was barely a fight. So much wasted potential. :down
Agreed agreed.

[JokerNick]

Agreed agreed.

I don't agree, I rather sit down and watch a complex, emotional, we written piece of cinema then a action movie........ but that's just me, I really do enjoy popcorn flicks, I just don't have those DVDs lined up with that of the Godfather, Alien, Goodfellas, Apocolpyse Now, Ussual Suspects, Fight Club, LOTR. ect.........

IMO I really love the x-men, and I would rather see an engaging story with well drawn out emotion then a specail effects movie, but that's just me like I said before, and I'm sure most people don't agree with me on here..... I just say, look at Batman Begins, then look at Batman Forever (I won't even bring up batman and robin, that's not fair), Begins is so much more engrossing, it has a great story, where as Batman Forever, which is not a terrible film, is all about the action...... I just don't want to see this happen the x-films the way it happened to the batman films..... People complained about the first batman when it came out, Joker was to flamboent, Vici Vale was never that big in the comics, but now when we look back on that series, what was the better film............ also, it's kinda wierd that the x-men series is almost pulling a batman, both series, for their first two installments had the same director, but when the third movie came to be, director change............. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and this turns out to be great.....:up:

[The Comedian]

I don't agree, I rather sit down and watch a complex, emotional, we written piece of cinema then a action movie........ but that's just me, I really do enjoy popcorn flicks, I just don't have those DVDs lined up with that of the Godfather, Alien, Goodfellas, Apocolpyse Now, Ussual Suspects, Fight Club, LOTR. ect.........

IMO I really love the x-men, and I would rather see an engaging story with well drawn out emotion then a specail effects movie, but that's just me like I said before, and I'm sure most people don't agree with me on here..... I just say, look at Batman Begins, then look at Batman Forever (I won't even bring up batman and robin, that's not fair), Begins is so much more engrossing, it has a great story, where as Batman Forever, which is not a terrible film, is all about the action...... I just don't want to see this happen the x-films the way it happened to the batman films..... People complained about the first batman when it came out, Joker was to flamboent, Vici Vale was never that big in the comics, but now when we look back on that series, what was the better film............ also, it's kinda wierd that the x-men series is almost pulling a batman, both series, for their first two installments had the same director, but when the third movie came to be, director change............. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and this turns out to be great.....:up:

I'm not saying to throw out all plot and drama to substitute for action, what I m saying is to have a better balance on the two. Batman Begins had an intricate, well versed plot, but I didn't feel that it was lacking action, it had plenty, but the action advanced the plot.

I could see how what I said could come off as me wanting to throw awaw the script and just having the mutants throw down for 90 minutes, ut it's not. I feel that X1/2 could have used action as a plot device better than it did. Showing the x-kids put up a better fight against the soldiers would have given an indication of the potential power carried by mutants, even when they are younger and less trained. I felt that could have added an important element to the plot of X2 that was lacking. These children all ahve incredible powers, but were completely helpless against a dart.

[JokerNick]

I'm not saying to throw out all plot and drama to substitute for action, what I m saying is to have a better balance on the two. Batman Begins had an intricate, well versed plot, but I didn't feel that it was lacking action, it had plenty, but the action advanced the plot.

I could see how what I said could come off as me wanting to throw awaw the script and just having the mutants throw down for 90 minutes, ut it's not. I feel that X1/2 could have used action as a plot device better than it did. Showing the x-kids put up a better fight against the soldiers would have given an indication of the potential power carried by mutants, even when they are younger and less trained. I felt that could have added an important element to the plot of X2 that was lacking. These children all ahve incredible powers, but were completely helpless against a dart.

but that was the point, to make the children seem helpless, the purpose of the mansion raid was to show how crule people can be when they feel threatened, it was supposed to mirror what happened in WW2 europe..... I understand your poiint, but in a dramatic scale, showing children being attacked hightens the audience emotion, causing them to feel saddened and concerned, making the 3rd act where they rescue the children move pivital and engaging.......... you have to understand, having seninels flying in and capturing the kids while a huge fight going on would have desensitized many viewers causing them not to care as much........ after taking a few acting and writting classes in college, the most important rule I learned is, keep it simple and keep it straight forward, complexity causes conffusion which causes anoyance and disinterest... my 2 cents

[SPider-T0rch]

but that was the point, to make the children seem helpless, the purpose of the mansion raid was to show how crule people can be when they feel threatened, it was supposed to mirror what happened in WW2 europe..... I understand your poiint, but in a dramatic scale, showing children being attacked hightens the audience emotion, causing them to feel saddened and concerned, making the 3rd act where they rescue the children move pivital and engaging.......... you have to understand, having seninels flying in and capturing the kids while a huge fight going on would have desensitized many viewers causing them not to care as much........ after taking a few acting and writting classes in college, the most important rule I learned is, keep it simple and keep it straight forward, complexity causes conffusion which causes anoyance and disinterest... my 2 cents

too true. i felt that same way when they were beign attacked

[intensity]

too true. i felt that same way when they were beign attacked

the scene still would have been very emotional if they showed more X-Kids using their powers... It wouldn't have depreciated the hostility shown to them, because they were all using them in a defensive and scared manner- Jubilee blasts a soldier to save herself, but is shot with a tranquilizer and kidnapped- Husk is frightened when grabbed, so she fights it off by shedding her skin- wolfsbane was supposed to be a little girl in the film, turning into a wolf to run to safety. It still would have shown Jones and Siryn being hurt, all of the kids running and screaming, and it would have made more sense plot-wise if Jubilee was actually shown being kidnapped. Who the heck cares about Jubilee if she isn't shown in the movie at all until Storm says her name at the very end?

[newwaveboy87]

Just so you know, I'm not bashing you or anything- just stating some facts- Jubilee and Multiple Man have no place on your list of 'lower tier' characters, and to a lesser extent, neither does Siryn. Jubilee is one of the most recognizeable and more prominent X-Characters in the Marvel Universe- I don't want to go into a long drawn out history of Jubes and just how cool/important she is... since it would really take awhile. Multiple Man is currently one of the most popular characters, being a mainstay in the current X-Factor title.

I agree with you in that I really don't understand why Quill and Arclight are in this film... I've only heard of them or seen a picture of them once in my years of collecting X-Comics... I don't think they even qualify as 2nd rate characters... they are practically the bottom of the list and should be if you were a director/writer choosing which mutants should appear in the films. How come Psylocke is placed on brotherhood status briefly until she is killed off in this film? She's an X-Man. There are so many cool supervillains in the X-Men universe that could be in the film franchise instead of Archlight and Quill(who is actually a new new mutant in the comics,) like Blob, SAURON, Black Queen, Omega Red, Sinister, Black Tom Cassidy, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Brood, Mojo, Apocolypse, etc.

Also, on the topic of the x-students... there are literally dozens of students who've attended Xavier Institute in the comics... not once has there been a person named Jones(who can change the tv channel!) or X-Kid(who can make paper airplanes fly!) Why in the world are they in this film? The movie is crowded enough with X-Characters... why replace or take up time of deserving characters like Jubilee, Psylocke, Gambit with the likes of the made up no-named mutant kids? Gambit had his name appear on a computer screen! Wow that sure made me appreciate him even more! Jubilee's been in all three films, and she hasn't even received a power scene that made the final cut. As she likes to say, Lame.
Jubilee is one of the most recognizable characters ONLY because she was in the cartoon. she is also, quite frequently, one of the most hated characters. i personally like her, but most write her off as a Robin-knockoff. Multiple Man is a 2nd tier character in that, he might have been around for a long time but he's not one of the "Big Boys." he does not have the same kind of name, or recognition outside of the comic lovers world as a character like Cyclops, Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, Rogue, or Phoenix would.

i would NEVER want to see Mojo, Sauron, Apocalypse, Black Tom Cassiday, or The Brood in an X-Men film. NEVER! Mojo is a pathetically lame character. Sauron would be too complicated to explain, and would require the Savage Land, and i do not forsee that happening. Black Tom Cassiday is another lame mutant - he can control wood...big deal. The Brood are too similar to Fox's Alien franchise in both concept and look. and i have NEVER liked Apocalypse, if he is such a 'powerful' character why has it taken him 5000+ yrs to do not much of anything? he constantly claims he can take over the world and yet does nothing. LAME.

i think the reason for the creation of new students, or the placement of 2nd/3rd/4th tier characters into the franchise is to show the general viewing audience that not every mutant power grants god-like powers to them. some can disrupt electrical currents by blinking...wow...and would you seriously want a character like Gambit placed in the Mansion for nothing but a cameo? he's too famous and popular a character to reduce to cameo status. and i feel like i have already explained my opinion and why i think they should keep using relatively obscure mutant characters in these films. it works to create a world where some mutants have powers that seem rather silly then wowmazing. i was secretly hoping for a Maggot, Marrow, Cecilia Reyes, Forge, or Thunderbird cameo myself in these films. actually...i seriously want Forge in the movies, Cecilia Reyes too. but that's a whole different argument.

[newwaveboy87]

I'm not saying to throw out all plot and drama to substitute for action, what I m saying is to have a better balance on the two. Batman Begins had an intricate, well versed plot, but I didn't feel that it was lacking action, it had plenty, but the action advanced the plot.

I could see how what I said could come off as me wanting to throw awaw the script and just having the mutants throw down for 90 minutes, ut it's not. I feel that X1/2 could have used action as a plot device better than it did. Showing the x-kids put up a better fight against the soldiers would have given an indication of the potential power carried by mutants, even when they are younger and less trained. I felt that could have added an important element to the plot of X2 that was lacking. These children all ahve incredible powers, but were completely helpless against a dart.
it was explained in the first movie that SOME of the students:
1. don't know how to use their powers
2. have only been shown to have an active mutant gene, but their powers might not have manifested
3. you're also talking about children here. a bunch of little kids. if soldiers break into someone's home and hold a gun to an 8 yr old's head do you seriously think they would physically fight back? powers or not, does not matter. they are scared little children for the most part. the oldest students seen were Rogue, Pyro, Colossus and Iceman who seen helping get the youngest ones out of the mansion ASAP.

[EmmaFrostRules]

^^too right. if someone came into my room in the middle of the night...i wouldnt fight....i would scream until somebody heard me

[chaseter]

^^too right. if someone came into my room in the middle of the night...i wouldnt fight....i would scream until somebody heard me
I would poo my pants and then use it as a weapon.

[newwaveboy87]

like monkies do?

[EmmaFrostRules]

madagascar lol. "if you've got any poo, throw it at them now.." :D

[BMM]

I'm not saying to throw out all plot and drama to substitute for action, what I m saying is to have a better balance on the two. Batman Begins had an intricate, well versed plot, but I didn't feel that it was lacking action, it had plenty, but the action advanced the plot.

I could see how what I said could come off as me wanting to throw awaw the script and just having the mutants throw down for 90 minutes, ut it's not. I feel that X1/2 could have used action as a plot device better than it did. Showing the x-kids put up a better fight against the soldiers would have given an indication of the potential power carried by mutants, even when they are younger and less trained. I felt that could have added an important element to the plot of X2 that was lacking. These children all ahve incredible powers, but were completely helpless against a dart.

There were a lot of cool things meant to be included as plot devices in the previous X-movies, including additional scenes with action and powers . . . they simply didn't have the budget to include them.

[Abaddon]

INT. STRYKER'S BASE - CONTAINMENT HALL

A LARGE DOOR OPENS. Storm and Nightcrawler step into the large CONTAINMENT ROOM, gawking.

WIDE ON THE ROOM to reveal: A MASSIVE OPEN CYLINDER -- 150 feet in diameter. Above them, EIGHT GLASS CAGES swing from chains attached to the ceiling, each holding a different one of Xavier's students.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Mein Gott...

Storm and Nightcrawler start towards a BANK OF SWITCHES, when A FIGURE leaps from high above and lands in front of them.

THE FIGURE, crouched on all fours, crawls into a shaft of light, revealing:

TOAD -- his eyes still black and dilated. HE GRINS at Storm and sticks out his tongue, revealing it charred and scarred from their last encounter.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Get the kids.
(she hesitates)
Go!

Storm runs towards the bank of switches. Toad LEAPS towards her, but Nightcrawler JUMPS into the air and SLAMS against him, knocking him away from her.

Toad looks up at the ceiling. He grins and scurries up a massive column in the center of the room. Nightcrawler quickly follows -- racing upward.

ON THE GROUND

Storm approaches the large CONTROL BOX. She throws the first switch, and a cage begins to lower. She hits a second switch. SPARKS FLY. The cages stop. Inside, Jones watches, terrified.

ABOVE

Toad, chased by Nightcrawler, grabs onto a LARGE, THICK CHAIN and rips it from the ceiling.

It swings down toward Storm...

NIGHTCRAWLER
Miss Storm!

...SHE LOOKS UP just as it SLAMS into her, knocking her into the center of the room, unconscious.

(At this time Jean, Mystique, and Magneto are on their way to the evil Cerebro. Pyro, Bobby, and Rogue are in the X-Jet talking.)

INT. STRYKER'S BASE -- CONTAINMENT HALL -- SAME TIME

The children SCREAM as Toad and Nightcrawler fight each other, leaping from cage to cage.

Toad climbs to the top of the room. He looks at a PIN, which connects a cage to a chain. He SMILES and yanks the pin out.

THE CAGE BEGINS TO FALL. Inside the cage, Jubilee SCREAMS.

Nightcrawler sees her. BAMF! He teleports inside the cage, grabs Jubilee, and BAMF! They're gone.

BAMF! He puts Jubilee safely on the ground. The cage comes crashing down next to them.

He looks up to see Toad leap from one cage to another, yanking two more pins. TWO MORE CAGES begin to drop, the kids inside panic.

BAMF! Nightcrawler teleports from one cage to the next, saving the kids before they hit the ground.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler appears, huffing and puffing -- fatigued. He looks up.

IN THE RAFTERS

Toad grins wickedly, and disappears in a blur of speed and movement. FIVE MORE CAGES, one after another, suddenly begin to drop.

PUSH IN ON NIGHTCRAWLER: As he closes his eyes. BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF!

The silhouette of his movement screams through space. One by one, the kids safely appear on the ground.

CRASH! CRASH! CRASH! Cages are falling all around Storm's unconscious body.

IN THE RAFTERS

TOAD pulls a pin from the last cage. Jones is inside.

BAMF! Nightcrawler appears behind Toad. He wraps his arms around Toad...BAMF! The two of them teleport into Jones' falling cage...

INSIDE THE CAGE

...BAMF! Nightcrawler and Toad reappear. Nightcrawler GRABS JONES, and BAMF! They're out, leaving Toad behind, SCREAMING.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler and Jones reappear to see the cage FALLING TOWARDS STORM'S BODY. BAMF!

BAMF! She disappears in a cloud of smoke as Toad's cage SMASHES into the ground.

Storm comes to. She and the kids stare in awe at Nightcrawler, who lies on the ground, trying to catch his breath.

JONES
I...think I have to throw up.

[newwaveboy87]

that would have ROCKED!

[WorthyStevens]

Nice. :up:

[EmmaFrostRules]

wow....

[pt_photo_inc]

Jubilee is one of the most recognizable characters ONLY because she was in the cartoon. she is also, quite frequently, one of the most hated characters. i personally like her, but most write her off as a Robin-knockoff. Multiple Man is a 2nd tier character in that, he might have been around for a long time but he's not one of the "Big Boys." he does not have the same kind of name, or recognition outside of the comic lovers world as a character like Cyclops, Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, Rogue, or Phoenix would.

i would NEVER want to see Mojo, Sauron, Apocalypse, Black Tom Cassiday, or The Brood in an X-Men film. NEVER! Mojo is a pathetically lame character. Sauron would be too complicated to explain, and would require the Savage Land, and i do not forsee that happening. Black Tom Cassiday is another lame mutant - he can control wood...big deal. The Brood are too similar to Fox's Alien franchise in both concept and look. and i have NEVER liked Apocalypse, if he is such a 'powerful' character why has it taken him 5000+ yrs to do not much of anything? he constantly claims he can take over the world and yet does nothing. LAME.

i think the reason for the creation of new students, or the placement of 2nd/3rd/4th tier characters into the franchise is to show the general viewing audience that not every mutant power grants god-like powers to them. some can disrupt electrical currents by blinking...wow...and would you seriously want a character like Gambit placed in the Mansion for nothing but a cameo? he's too famous and popular a character to reduce to cameo status. and i feel like i have already explained my opinion and why i think they should keep using relatively obscure mutant characters in these films. it works to create a world where some mutants have powers that seem rather silly then wowmazing. i was secretly hoping for a Maggot, Marrow, Cecilia Reyes, Forge, or Thunderbird cameo myself in these films. actually...i seriously want Forge in the movies, Cecilia Reyes too. but that's a whole different argument.

MAN you are sooo very perfectly right on! I dont know who you are but you are 100% right in about everything i have read from you. I would love to see a movie about the morlock tunnels and a war where they come up to snatch some "pretties". LIke the blue creatures in TIME MACHINE. I think that could work as a movie really well too... and then i would love to see a story with the LEGACY VIRUS

[pt_photo_inc]

INT. STRYKER'S BASE - CONTAINMENT HALL

A LARGE DOOR OPENS. Storm and Nightcrawler step into the large CONTAINMENT ROOM, gawking.

WIDE ON THE ROOM to reveal: A MASSIVE OPEN CYLINDER -- 150 feet in diameter. Above them, EIGHT GLASS CAGES swing from chains attached to the ceiling, each holding a different one of Xavier's students.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Mein Gott...

Storm and Nightcrawler start towards a BANK OF SWITCHES, when A FIGURE leaps from high above and lands in front of them.

THE FIGURE, crouched on all fours, crawls into a shaft of light, revealing:

TOAD -- his eyes still black and dilated. HE GRINS at Storm and sticks out his tongue, revealing it charred and scarred from their last encounter.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Get the kids.
(she hesitates)
Go!

Storm runs towards the bank of switches. Toad LEAPS towards her, but Nightcrawler JUMPS into the air and SLAMS against him, knocking him away from her.

Toad looks up at the ceiling. He grins and scurries up a massive column in the center of the room. Nightcrawler quickly follows -- racing upward.

ON THE GROUND

Storm approaches the large CONTROL BOX. She throws the first switch, and a cage begins to lower. She hits a second switch. SPARKS FLY. The cages stop. Inside, Jones watches, terrified.

ABOVE

Toad, chased by Nightcrawler, grabs onto a LARGE, THICK CHAIN and rips it from the ceiling.

It swings down toward Storm...

NIGHTCRAWLER
Miss Storm!

...SHE LOOKS UP just as it SLAMS into her, knocking her into the center of the room, unconscious.

(At this time Jean, Mystique, and Magneto are on their way to the evil Cerebro. Pyro, Bobby, and Rogue are in the X-Jet talking.)

INT. STRYKER'S BASE -- CONTAINMENT HALL -- SAME TIME

The children SCREAM as Toad and Nightcrawler fight each other, leaping from cage to cage.

Toad climbs to the top of the room. He looks at a PIN, which connects a cage to a chain. He SMILES and yanks the pin out.

THE CAGE BEGINS TO FALL. Inside the cage, Jubilee SCREAMS.

Nightcrawler sees her. BAMF! He teleports inside the cage, grabs Jubilee, and BAMF! They're gone.

BAMF! He puts Jubilee safely on the ground. The cage comes crashing down next to them.

He looks up to see Toad leap from one cage to another, yanking two more pins. TWO MORE CAGES begin to drop, the kids inside panic.

BAMF! Nightcrawler teleports from one cage to the next, saving the kids before they hit the ground.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler appears, huffing and puffing -- fatigued. He looks up.

IN THE RAFTERS

Toad grins wickedly, and disappears in a blur of speed and movement. FIVE MORE CAGES, one after another, suddenly begin to drop.

PUSH IN ON NIGHTCRAWLER: As he closes his eyes. BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF!

The silhouette of his movement screams through space. One by one, the kids safely appear on the ground.

CRASH! CRASH! CRASH! Cages are falling all around Storm's unconscious body.

IN THE RAFTERS

TOAD pulls a pin from the last cage. Jones is inside.

BAMF! Nightcrawler appears behind Toad. He wraps his arms around Toad...BAMF! The two of them teleport into Jones' falling cage...

INSIDE THE CAGE

...BAMF! Nightcrawler and Toad reappear. Nightcrawler GRABS JONES, and BAMF! They're out, leaving Toad behind, SCREAMING.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler and Jones reappear to see the cage FALLING TOWARDS STORM'S BODY. BAMF!

BAMF! She disappears in a cloud of smoke as Toad's cage SMASHES into the ground.

Storm comes to. She and the kids stare in awe at Nightcrawler, who lies on the ground, trying to catch his breath.

JONES
I...think I have to throw up.


Like everything about this but nightcrawlers speed and accuracy, and I would def. have a kid die. Marvel is too sugar coated... one kids has to die. It just has to be a "You do what you can" story. I hated SERENITY when everyone made it out okay! I hated it!!!!!!!!!!!! That is not life! We are in a war, and let me promise you... some people are not coming home.

So kudos on the script finding or writting... but i think one kid would have to die for it to work. And the whole Audience would be like..... "hhhhhhhhhhhhhh *GASP* ooohhh my god......... ****"

[LEX]

INT. STRYKER'S BASE - CONTAINMENT HALL

A LARGE DOOR OPENS. Storm and Nightcrawler step into the large CONTAINMENT ROOM, gawking.

WIDE ON THE ROOM to reveal: A MASSIVE OPEN CYLINDER -- 150 feet in diameter. Above them, EIGHT GLASS CAGES swing from chains attached to the ceiling, each holding a different one of Xavier's students.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Mein Gott...

Storm and Nightcrawler start towards a BANK OF SWITCHES, when A FIGURE leaps from high above and lands in front of them.

THE FIGURE, crouched on all fours, crawls into a shaft of light, revealing:

TOAD -- his eyes still black and dilated. HE GRINS at Storm and sticks out his tongue, revealing it charred and scarred from their last encounter.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Get the kids.
(she hesitates)
Go!

Storm runs towards the bank of switches. Toad LEAPS towards her, but Nightcrawler JUMPS into the air and SLAMS against him, knocking him away from her.

Toad looks up at the ceiling. He grins and scurries up a massive column in the center of the room. Nightcrawler quickly follows -- racing upward.

ON THE GROUND

Storm approaches the large CONTROL BOX. She throws the first switch, and a cage begins to lower. She hits a second switch. SPARKS FLY. The cages stop. Inside, Jones watches, terrified.

ABOVE

Toad, chased by Nightcrawler, grabs onto a LARGE, THICK CHAIN and rips it from the ceiling.

It swings down toward Storm...

NIGHTCRAWLER
Miss Storm!

...SHE LOOKS UP just as it SLAMS into her, knocking her into the center of the room, unconscious.

(At this time Jean, Mystique, and Magneto are on their way to the evil Cerebro. Pyro, Bobby, and Rogue are in the X-Jet talking.)

INT. STRYKER'S BASE -- CONTAINMENT HALL -- SAME TIME

The children SCREAM as Toad and Nightcrawler fight each other, leaping from cage to cage.

Toad climbs to the top of the room. He looks at a PIN, which connects a cage to a chain. He SMILES and yanks the pin out.

THE CAGE BEGINS TO FALL. Inside the cage, Jubilee SCREAMS.

Nightcrawler sees her. BAMF! He teleports inside the cage, grabs Jubilee, and BAMF! They're gone.

BAMF! He puts Jubilee safely on the ground. The cage comes crashing down next to them.

He looks up to see Toad leap from one cage to another, yanking two more pins. TWO MORE CAGES begin to drop, the kids inside panic.

BAMF! Nightcrawler teleports from one cage to the next, saving the kids before they hit the ground.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler appears, huffing and puffing -- fatigued. He looks up.

IN THE RAFTERS

Toad grins wickedly, and disappears in a blur of speed and movement. FIVE MORE CAGES, one after another, suddenly begin to drop.

PUSH IN ON NIGHTCRAWLER: As he closes his eyes. BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF!

The silhouette of his movement screams through space. One by one, the kids safely appear on the ground.

CRASH! CRASH! CRASH! Cages are falling all around Storm's unconscious body.

IN THE RAFTERS

TOAD pulls a pin from the last cage. Jones is inside.

BAMF! Nightcrawler appears behind Toad. He wraps his arms around Toad...BAMF! The two of them teleport into Jones' falling cage...

INSIDE THE CAGE

...BAMF! Nightcrawler and Toad reappear. Nightcrawler GRABS JONES, and BAMF! They're out, leaving Toad behind, SCREAMING.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler and Jones reappear to see the cage FALLING TOWARDS STORM'S BODY. BAMF!

BAMF! She disappears in a cloud of smoke as Toad's cage SMASHES into the ground.

Storm comes to. She and the kids stare in awe at Nightcrawler, who lies on the ground, trying to catch his breath.

JONES
I...think I have to throw up.
Now, why isn't that in the movie? Grr, that'd be one awesome fight. :o

[JokerNick]

back to the X_mansion, you forget that in the movies, they state that the mutant powers don't manifest until they hit puberty, many of those kids looked pre-pubecent, so they wouldn't have powers......

[TNC9852002]

Why? Why..? Why..?

So many questions...All can be answered in one word:

MONEY

-TNC

[LEX]

Yeah, I know. It was a rant post. :p:ghost:

[WorthyStevens]

Why? Why..? Why..?

So many questions...All can be answered in one word:

MONEY

-TNC

Which they have more of this time around. :D

[Abaddon]

back to the X_mansion, you forget that in the movies, they state that the mutant powers don't manifest until they hit puberty, many of those kids looked pre-pubecent, so they wouldn't have powers......

Most kids hit puberty at about 12,so I'd say those kids fit the bill.

[X-Maniac]

And most of them wouldn't suspect they were mutants until their powers manifested. Parents/children would have no grounds for thinking they may be a mutant, unless they had a congenital physical difference (congenital = from birth) like scales, or green hair, or tentacles or something like that!

I imagine Mystique was born blue and scaly - her power to disguise that appearance and her agility to fight back no doubt kicked in during puberty when she no doubt got seriously bullied for how she looked. An adaptive response.

[WorthyStevens]

And most of them wouldn't suspect they were mutants until their powers manifested. Parents/children would have no grounds for thinking they may be a mutant, unless they had a congenital physical difference (congenital = from birth) like scales, or green hair, or tentacles or something like that!

I imagine Mystique was born blue and scaly - her power to disguise that appearance and her agility to fight back no doubt kicked in during puberty when she no doubt got seriously bullied for how she looked. An adaptive response.

Such as the case with the Drake family.

[Enlight]

You guys know how during the cerebro scene in X2 there seem to be as many mutants as humans. I don't think that makes any since. I thought mutants were a minorty, but I never read the comics. So did the film get it wrong? Or was the film showing everyone with the mutant genes vs the ones without. Someone help me out here.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I would *possibly* replace Quill with Gambit, Arclight with Avalanche... I wonder if they chose Quill and Arclight as characters who could die in battle without too much fuss from comicbook fans. There's no way I would put Quill in the main Brotherhood line-up. (I'd also make Jean's costume a little less like Scarlet Witch because i want to see the Witch in a future movie!)

I'd love to see Sabretooth and Deathstrike again, but the return of Jean is enough resurrections for this movie.
Yeah I'll agree with ya there.

[JustABill]

INT. STRYKER'S BASE - CONTAINMENT HALL

A LARGE DOOR OPENS. Storm and Nightcrawler step into the large CONTAINMENT ROOM, gawking.

WIDE ON THE ROOM to reveal: A MASSIVE OPEN CYLINDER -- 150 feet in diameter. Above them, EIGHT GLASS CAGES swing from chains attached to the ceiling, each holding a different one of Xavier's students.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Mein Gott...

Storm and Nightcrawler start towards a BANK OF SWITCHES, when A FIGURE leaps from high above and lands in front of them.

THE FIGURE, crouched on all fours, crawls into a shaft of light, revealing:

TOAD -- his eyes still black and dilated. HE GRINS at Storm and sticks out his tongue, revealing it charred and scarred from their last encounter.

NIGHTCRAWLER
Get the kids.
(she hesitates)
Go!

Storm runs towards the bank of switches. Toad LEAPS towards her, but Nightcrawler JUMPS into the air and SLAMS against him, knocking him away from her.

Toad looks up at the ceiling. He grins and scurries up a massive column in the center of the room. Nightcrawler quickly follows -- racing upward.

ON THE GROUND

Storm approaches the large CONTROL BOX. She throws the first switch, and a cage begins to lower. She hits a second switch. SPARKS FLY. The cages stop. Inside, Jones watches, terrified.

ABOVE

Toad, chased by Nightcrawler, grabs onto a LARGE, THICK CHAIN and rips it from the ceiling.

It swings down toward Storm...

NIGHTCRAWLER
Miss Storm!

...SHE LOOKS UP just as it SLAMS into her, knocking her into the center of the room, unconscious.

(At this time Jean, Mystique, and Magneto are on their way to the evil Cerebro. Pyro, Bobby, and Rogue are in the X-Jet talking.)

INT. STRYKER'S BASE -- CONTAINMENT HALL -- SAME TIME

The children SCREAM as Toad and Nightcrawler fight each other, leaping from cage to cage.

Toad climbs to the top of the room. He looks at a PIN, which connects a cage to a chain. He SMILES and yanks the pin out.

THE CAGE BEGINS TO FALL. Inside the cage, Jubilee SCREAMS.

Nightcrawler sees her. BAMF! He teleports inside the cage, grabs Jubilee, and BAMF! They're gone.

BAMF! He puts Jubilee safely on the ground. The cage comes crashing down next to them.

He looks up to see Toad leap from one cage to another, yanking two more pins. TWO MORE CAGES begin to drop, the kids inside panic.

BAMF! Nightcrawler teleports from one cage to the next, saving the kids before they hit the ground.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler appears, huffing and puffing -- fatigued. He looks up.

IN THE RAFTERS

Toad grins wickedly, and disappears in a blur of speed and movement. FIVE MORE CAGES, one after another, suddenly begin to drop.

PUSH IN ON NIGHTCRAWLER: As he closes his eyes. BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF! BAMF!

The silhouette of his movement screams through space. One by one, the kids safely appear on the ground.

CRASH! CRASH! CRASH! Cages are falling all around Storm's unconscious body.

IN THE RAFTERS

TOAD pulls a pin from the last cage. Jones is inside.

BAMF! Nightcrawler appears behind Toad. He wraps his arms around Toad...BAMF! The two of them teleport into Jones' falling cage...

INSIDE THE CAGE

...BAMF! Nightcrawler and Toad reappear. Nightcrawler GRABS JONES, and BAMF! They're out, leaving Toad behind, SCREAMING.

ON THE GROUND

Nightcrawler and Jones reappear to see the cage FALLING TOWARDS STORM'S BODY. BAMF!

BAMF! She disappears in a cloud of smoke as Toad's cage SMASHES into the ground.

Storm comes to. She and the kids stare in awe at Nightcrawler, who lies on the ground, trying to catch his breath.

JONES
I...think I have to throw up.

[JustABill]

That so deserved posting again. :D

[Abaddon]

Your welcome!:mad:

[newwaveboy87]

Most kids hit puberty at about 12,so I'd say those kids fit the bill.
just cause those kids hit puberty still doesn't mean their powers would have manifested themselves. ever heard of a "late bloomer?"
OR...for further proof, think back to Rogue in X1. she was 17-18 when her powers finally manifested themselves. just because a kid is in the pubescent age group doesn't mean they're developing at the same rate.

[Abaddon]

just cause those kids hit puberty still doesn't mean their powers would have manifested themselves. ever heard of a "late bloomer?"
OR...for further proof, think back to Rogue in X1. she was 17-18 when her powers finally manifested themselves. just because a kid is in the pubescent age group doesn't mean they're developing at the same rate.


Well maybe those students just happened to manifest their abilities at about the same time.They weren't all the same age.

[newwaveboy87]

indeed.
but a majority of those kids in the X-mansion raid looked awfully young. the oldest ones were trying to help them escape....and haven't i already explained this before....?

*walks away*

[Abaddon]

I think we're walking in circles.The point is while many of them appeared young,they all were able to manifest their abilities.The end.

[newwaveboy87]

indeed.
i also feel like people are walking in circles when they ***** and moan about cameos from the likes of Quill and Arclight. it's just a cameo to flesh out the world. calm down.

[Abaddon]

Well theyre more extended than cameos,but I get your point.I'd rather see them,than have Gambit and Psylocke as ****ty background characters with no lines.

[newwaveboy87]

EXACTLY!
why put a good/entertaining fan favorite in for a 3 second cameo instead of some lower tier character who could just do something visual interesting and then go away?

message boards are where logic comes to die. who is with me?

[berzerko89]

Well theyre more extended than cameos,but I get your point.I'd rather see them,than have Gambit and Psylocke as ****ty background characters with no lines.

we can expect that psylock will have those one-liners like w/ lady deathsrike... sighs! and gambit... never existed. ;)

[BMM]

Well theyre more extended than cameos,but I get your point.I'd rather see them,than have Gambit and Psylocke as ****ty background characters with no lines.

No kidding. I agree.

[Abaddon]

we can expect that psylock will have those one-liners like w/ lady deathsrike... sighs! and gambit... never existed. ;)


Deathstrike only had one line.:rolleyes::down




What a waste of a character.Singer sickens me.:mad:

[newwaveboy87]

Mystique only had one line in X1 and yet everyone remembered her.
same thing applies to Deathstryke.

[berzerko89]

Deathstrike only had one line.:rolleyes::down




What a waste of a character.Singer sickens me.:mad:

poor kelly hu, she got paid for almost saying nothing... even if she had a line they should put more sense into it not the "What are you doing?!" line. sighs!

they should have added some lines in the wolvie vs lady d fight.

anyway, life must go on, thank god singer left. :p

[berzerko89]

Mystique only had one line in X1 and yet everyone remembered her.
same thing applies to Deathstryke.

dude, who would not remember a blue naked babe?

[Abaddon]

Mystique only had one line in X1 and yet everyone remembered her.
same thing applies to Deathstryke.


That bothered me as well.In the comics Mystique is much more than a henchwoman.Its like Singer wanted to make all the women in the movie appear weaker than their comic counterparts.Its femasculation.:o:down

[Abaddon]

poor kelly hu, she got paid for almost saying nothing... even if she had a line they should put more sense into it not the "What are you doing?!" line. sighs!

they should have added some lines in the wolvie vs lady d fight.

anyway, life must go on, thank god singer left. :p


No doubt he wouldve made Emma somebody's *****.

[newwaveboy87]

dude, who would not remember a blue naked babe?
a gay guy who doesn't care about that sort of thing?

[newwaveboy87]

That bothered me as well.In the comics Mystique is much more than a henchwoman.Its like Singer wanted to make all the women in the movie appear weaker than their comic counterparts.Its femasculation.:o:down
while they might have been mostly mute, both women were the two biggest ass kickers in the films.

[berzerko89]

a gay guy who doesn't care about that sort of thing?

lol. dont tell me your gay?! :eek:

but if ratner had directed the two previous films would he surpass singers vision?

his vision would probably be those classic colorful tight uniform w/ childish effects. sighs! but i doubt it, ratners a great director he is a same as singer (he's not gay though), but he would have made it more TRUE to the COmics than what singer had envisiond.

[Abaddon]

while they might have been mostly mute, both women were the two biggest ass kickers in the films.



True.

[newwaveboy87]

lol. dont tell me your gay?! :eek:

but if ratner had directed the two previous films would he surpass singers vision?

his vision would probably be those classic colorful tight uniform w/ childish effects. sighs! but i doubt it, ratners a great director he is a same as singer (he's not gay though), but he would have made it more TRUE to the COmics than what singer had envisiond.
i prefer the black leather look actually. the X-Men are a team, and need to look like one. that was always my problem with the comics they never looked like a team, more like a bunch of hodge podge people thrown together. variations on a theme are nice in my opinion.

actually...i prefer the more reality based take on the X-franchise. i wouldn't want things like Mojo, Apocalypse, The Brood, Shi'iar, Imperial Guard, or Starjammers in the movies. those are just some examples.

yes, i'm a homo. you must have joined shortly before or after i took my 4 month hype break.

[berzerko89]

i prefer the black leather look actually. the X-Men are a team, and need to look like one. that was always my problem with the comics they never looked like a team, more like a bunch of hodge podge people thrown together. variations on a theme are nice in my opinion.

actually...i prefer the more reality based take on the X-franchise. i wouldn't want things like Mojo, Apocalypse, The Brood, Shi'iar, Imperial Guard, or Starjammers in the movies. those are just some examples.

yes, i'm a homo. you must have joined shortly before or after i took my 4 month hype break.

no offense dude. ;)

nyway, i would have sticked to bryans vision with brett as the director, lol. :p

[Abaddon]

I think most of the alien/supernatural elements in a movie like X-men would take away from the message and metaphor of discrimination.

[BMM]

I think most of the alien/supernatural elements in a movie like X-men would take away from the message and metaphor of discrimination.

Definitely. They wouldn't be necessary either, especially when first beginning the franchise. It would make no sense . . . the basic message would be lost in a cluster**** of random throwbacks.

[chaseter]

Speaking of mirroring discrimination...Magneto mirrors Maclcom X. Well, Malcom was killed and that is what I think will happen to Mags.

[BMM]

Speaking of mirroring discrimination...Magneto mirrors Maclcom X. Well, Malcom was killed and that is what I think will happen to Mags.

Interesting. So was Dr. King . . . and it is heavily implied that Xavier will die as well.