How the new suit might be explained (speculation)

[son of jorel]

I know there has probably been threads on this already but heres my take

They will acknolwedge the new suit by either Ma Kent or the FOS changing his space suit (they are the same except for colour and no cape) into his new look suit as his others may have been destroyed when he decided the world no longer needed a Superman anymore.

Any thoughts?

[gdw]

See now, I really wouldn't have minded this, but from how they have the picture in the paper with the article from after he leaves, but before he returns and he is wearing the same suit.

Now I don't think that they really need to "explain" the "new suit" but i think that it would have been kinda interesting to see them actually portray it as a slightly updated suit that he wears when he returns, and thus being able to have a slightly different suit just in newspaper pictures that are just flashed, one that resembles Reeve's suit as a bit of another nod to the pseudo continuity thing.

[son of jorel]

Yeah i forgot about that pic

[Naite22]

This pic is so awesome!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Naite22/BlacksupeswithMaKent.jpg

[son of jorel]

This pic is so awesome!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Naite22/BlacksupeswithMaKent.jpg

Sure is

[Whack Arnolds]

Why does it need to be explained? Just act as if this has been his suit the ENTIRE time...

[Zakk Sabbath]

Somebody brought up the idea of the shade of red changing with his moods (ala Superman III) I sorta liked that. I also had an idea about a scene near the end of the movie being a shirt-rip with the classic red. It's really no big deal though, I like the suit now that I'm used to it. I saw a pic of Dean Cain the other day and went "that S is a little large, isn't it?"

[Trooper]

edit rong pic

[theogt]

Why would this thread be locked?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

If they explain the different suit, then they'll need to explain the different looking Superman, Lois, Lex, etc. If they answer the one question, it brings up many more questions like a snowball effect.

They probably won't explain it the same as they don't explain different looking Bonds. The audience will understand mostly.

[Superman79]

Wasn't there supposed to be some line about how "the suit was my fathers" or some such thing??

[buggs0268]

No this suit is supposed to be the suit he has always worn, even in STM and SII. Aparently the S is supposed to save his life in this movie somehow. Urgggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!

["_____"]

This pic is so awesome!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Naite22/BlacksupeswithMaKent.jpg

this suit and his new suit still to me, look like underarmor or nike dri fit clothing. so yeah im not a big fan of the new suit

[\S/JcDc\S/]

No this suit is supposed to be the suit he has always worn, even in STM and SII. Aparently the S is supposed to save his life in this movie somehow. Urgggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!

You only left out 99% of the details... OF course that's because we don't know them yet.

[ReporterKent]

Why does it need to be explained? Just act as if this has been his suit the ENTIRE time...

Exactly. The idea that it is a mod of his space suit is cool and all, but him wearing it already just is natural.

[hk_spyke]

No this suit is supposed to be the suit he has always worn, even in STM and SII. Aparently the S is supposed to save his life in this movie somehow. Urgggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe when lex stabs him

[Mentok]

Lex stabs him in the back.

[hk_spyke]

Lex stabs him in the back.


yeah that sounds like him

[buggs0268]

And before anyone starts yelling at me, this is not meant to be an anti suit rant. I am just posting this information as historical information.

The guy who sculpted the body padding explained it to Sandy Collora why a lot of the changes, such as the reason for the high collar line is because they couldn't hide the padded suit with the low Collar line Superman has always had since 1942. And because Singer wanted a 3-D "S", that is why they had to make the shield so small or it would fold when he folded his hands. That is the only reason for that. They tried bigger and got nowhere. So it had nothing to do with it not looking liek a billboard on his chest. They could not get a 3-D Shield to work any bigger is all. Since the guy was sculpting the body padding, he was probably at every test with the thing and saw all that went on, and why the changes, as he probably had to make a few different padding sets himself to adjust to new changes in R&D. Collara came out with this in a blog on his website, even publically calling Singer a liar for saying there was no padded suit in the first USA Today article in his blof a week after the first pic and the article came out. Collora aparantly knows the guy who sculpted the suit faily well and had a conversation with him. Go to Collaras site and you can find the the blog on it that was posted a week after the suit was revealed.

[ReporterKent]

Lex stabs him in the back.

He gets pregnant and has a kid without telling Superman too?

[The Kid]

Lol, the answers in superman 3 for why the suit changed. it's a mood-suit. duhhhh

[Nightwing1977]

No this suit is supposed to be the suit he has always worn, even in STM and SII.

Nah. Superman Returns won't really be a true sequel to those 2. Beside, a sequel or whatever don't mean the suit has to remain the same. Does "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin" ring a bell? :p ;)

[buggs0268]

Nah. Superman Returns won't really be a true sequel to those 2. Beside, a sequel or whatever don't mean the suit has to remain the same. Does "Batman Forever" & "Batman & Robin" ring a bell? :p ;)
Yeah but even Burton changed it from one suit to another suit in both of his Batman movies, and they are direct sequel. And not to start an arguement, but Batman does have a lot of suits in the comics, but Superman only has the one suit. So theoretcailly Batman could have a lot of suits and it be proper with the comics, but Superman only one, even thought he did have a few different suits in some graphics novels, the original canon is only the one suit.

We all basically know it is jsut a different production designer, or the director wanting one.

[Mentok]

Edit.

[dark_b]

Yeah but even Burton changed it from one suit to another suit in both of his Batman movies, and they are direct sequel. And not to start an arguement, but Batman does have a lot of suits in the comics, but Superman only has the one suit. So theoretcailly Batman could have a lot of suits and it be proper with the comics, but Superman only one, even thought he did have a few different suits in some graphics novels, the original canon is only the one suit.

We all basically know it is jsut a different production designer, or the director wanting one.
1. in BR he has a winter suit. so its not like he changed the designe.
2. batman returns is not a direct sequel ;).

[dark_b]

And before anyone starts yelling at me, this is not meant to be an anti suit rant. I am just posting this information as historical information.

The guy who sculpted the body padding explained it to Sandy Collora why a lot of the changes, such as the reason for the high collar line is because they couldn't hide the padded suit with the low Collar line Superman has always had since 1942. And because Singer wanted a 3-D "S", that is why they had to make the shield so small or it would fold when he folded his hands. That is the only reason for that. They tried bigger and got nowhere. So it had nothing to do with it not looking liek a billboard on his chest. They could not get a 3-D Shield to work any bigger is all. Since the guy was sculpting the body padding, he was probably at every test with the thing and saw all that went on, and why the changes, as he probably had to make a few different padding sets himself to adjust to new changes in R&D. Collara came out with this in a blog on his website, even publically calling Singer a liar for saying there was no padded suit in the first USA Today article in his blof a week after the first pic and the article came out. Collora aparantly knows the guy who sculpted the suit faily well and had a conversation with him. Go to Collaras site and you can find the the blog on it that was posted a week after the suit was revealed.i agree that singer lied about the padding.
but i dont think that the changes on the suit were made because of the padding and the 3d shield.i have no proof. but if they were mader because of that than thank god. because i like them.

[Mentok]

Can you post a link to Collora's blog Buggs? I cant find it on his website.

[Milkman95]

Collora sure has a big ego for his little shoes. I liked him before he opened his big mouth. Do us a favor Sandy, let the actual professionals do their jobs - there is a reason guys like Bryan Singer are doing what they're doing and you're still doing fan-made films........

Yes, the shield is small because it's 3-D, who cares, it still looks great.

[Milkman95]

this suit and his new suit still to me, look like underarmor or nike dri fit clothing. so yeah im not a big fan of the new suit

Well, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. If you look closely at Routh's suit, it's the highest quality one ever made, and the material is LIGHT YEARS better than what Reeve wore..............Routh's suit is very well made, and it's definitely up there with the quality of Maguire's Spider-man suits..........

[Venom71]

Collora sure has a big ego for his little shoes. I liked him before he opened his big mouth. Do us a favor Sandy, let the actual professionals do their jobs - there is a reason guys like Bryan Singer are doing what they're doing and you're still doing fan-made films........

Yes, the shield is small because it's 3-D, who cares, it still looks great.
Well Said Milkman! :up:

[Venom71]

No this suit is supposed to be the suit he has always worn, even in STM and SII. Aparently the S is supposed to save his life in this movie somehow. Urgggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep and nothing wrong with that...The SR suit is a Great Superman Suit.:supes:

[musclesforsupes]

Anyone notice the above pic has the reeve style S on it.

[Mr. Thing]

Yep and nothing wrong with that...The SR suit is a Great Superman Suit.:supes:

Yeah we know. But I would have kinda liked him to have the Reeve suit before he goes and comes back with the new one.

[Mr. Thing]

Anyone notice the above pic has the reeve style S on it.

It's the SR design.

[Milkman95]

Yeah we know. But I would have kinda liked him to have the Reeve suit before he goes and comes back with the new one.

Why? It's a vague sequel and the space between films is almost 20 years.

They never explained why Batman had his suit change in every film, did they?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Perhaps the suit changes colours?

the suit in the new picture is the same suit.. kryptonian material changes to his mood..

????

[Superfreak]

Lol, the answers in superman 3 for why the suit changed. it's a mood-suit. duhhhh


I'm not positive about this, but I believe the 'mood suit' was a result of Superman punching holes in the oil tankers.

[Venom71]

Perhaps the suit changes colours?

the suit in the new picture is the same suit.. kryptonian material changes to his mood..

????
That keeps coming up and I think that is an interesting concept...I mean it is alien tech so it could happen.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

That keeps coming up and I think that is an interesting concept...I mean it is alien tech so it could happen.

well..i believe i heard somewhere thar singer is going to explain the suit..

[Milkman95]

well..i believe i heard somewhere thar singer is going to explain the suit..

If it's explained, great, if not, that's fine too............

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

If it's explained, great, if not, that's fine too............


:up:

I'm just itching to see something...

:D

[Milkman95]

:up:

I'm just itching to see something...

:D

Yeah, I want a trailer, NOW.......:)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Yeah, I want a trailer, NOW.......:)


heard that, :up:

[musclesforsupes]

It's the SR design.

The size is bigger though compared to the red,yellow,blue suit S

[dark_b]

the SR suit wil be explained .i think like in 20 seconds. it will be mentioned from where it is.

it will be explained in that kind of way like how he can be in the space. i like this small details.

singer you are the man. but now go to the WB office and slap someone and tell them that they should realese the trailer .


guys i can feel it. today is the day. we will see the trailer






.....................for the trailer hehehheehhehehehehhehehehehehe

[Mr. Thing]

Why?

For personal gratification.

[Milkman95]

For personal gratification.

Fair enough my good sir..........

[Bibs11]

Yeah we know. But I would have kinda liked him to have the Reeve suit before he goes and comes back with the new one.

I agree...would have been nice to have that continuity there within the two versions of Superman because it is a noticeable difference between suits.

[musclesforsupes]

For personal gratification.

giggles!

http://www.erw.ndirect.co.uk/reviews/princeno27.jpg]

[Mr. Thing]

giggles!

http://www.erw.ndirect.co.uk/reviews/princeno27.jpg%5D

;)

I'm not that kind of a man!

[Whack Arnolds]

Collora sure has a big ego for his little shoes. I liked him before he opened his big mouth. Do us a favor Sandy, let the actual professionals do their jobs - there is a reason guys like Bryan Singer are doing what they're doing and you're still doing fan-made films........

Yes, the shield is small because it's 3-D, who cares, it still looks great.Haha, exactly. Repped, my good brother Milkman. :up:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Collora sure has a big ego for his little shoes. I liked him before he opened his big mouth. Do us a favor Sandy, let the actual professionals do their jobs - there is a reason guys like Bryan Singer are doing what they're doing and you're still doing fan-made films........

Yes, the shield is small because it's 3-D, who cares, it still looks great.

Coincidently, Collora has probably the worst version of Superman I've ever seen in his 'World's Finest' short. Dean Cain was better than this guy!

[Milkman95]

Haha, exactly. Repped, my good brother Milkman. :up:

Why thank you.

I agree SolidSnake........:up:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I have to say that every actor has to start somewhere.. there all bad until they get a little bit of training.

[lujho]

And before anyone starts yelling at me, this is not meant to be an anti suit rant. I am just posting this information as historical information.

The guy who sculpted the body padding explained it to Sandy Collora why a lot of the changes, such as the reason for the high collar line is because they couldn't hide the padded suit with the low Collar line Superman has always had since 1942. And because Singer wanted a 3-D "S", that is why they had to make the shield so small or it would fold when he folded his hands. That is the only reason for that. They tried bigger and got nowhere. So it had nothing to do with it not looking liek a billboard on his chest. They could not get a 3-D Shield to work any bigger is all. Since the guy was sculpting the body padding, he was probably at every test with the thing and saw all that went on, and why the changes, as he probably had to make a few different padding sets himself to adjust to new changes in R&D. Collara came out with this in a blog on his website, even publically calling Singer a liar for saying there was no padded suit in the first USA Today article in his blof a week after the first pic and the article came out. Collora aparantly knows the guy who sculpted the suit faily well and had a conversation with him. Go to Collaras site and you can find the the blog on it that was posted a week after the suit was revealed.

1) The raised S isn't really a change, it's just a logical extrapolation of detail. Comic drawings are usually simplistic, they don't add details such as thickness of material etc. All the Batman movies have had 3D/raised bat-emblems... and no-one called that a "change". It just made sense and looked good.

2) Singer never said the suit wasn't padded. The first USA Today article said something like that but it never actually quoted singer as saying that - it was the journalist's inferrence/assumption, not Singer's statement. If Collara called Singer a liar for that, he was wrong.

[Mentok]

Collora sure has a big ego for his little shoes. I liked him before he opened his big mouth. Do us a favor Sandy, let the actual professionals do their jobs - there is a reason guys like Bryan Singer are doing what they're doing and you're still doing fan-made films........

Yes, the shield is small because it's 3-D, who cares, it still looks great.

Yeah, the guy has a huge ego. Personally I didnt like his fanfilm stuff. He has done some good effects work on other films and his old Pocari Sweat commercial (The underwater Soccer one) kicks all kinds of ass.

Pitty he acts like gods gift to comic book films :( And his website makes him out to be full of himself.

But he is a Surfer... :)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

you have got to like batman :dead end though..very good.

:up:

[Mentok]

you have got to like batman :dead end though..very good.

:up:

I thought it was pretty amusing :up: Plus it looked alot better than the embarassing 'Worlds Finest' (maybe it had something to do with being shot in the dark :D )

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I thought it was pretty amusing :up: Plus it looked alot better than the embarassing 'Worlds Finest' (maybe it had something to do with being shot in the dark :D )



could be..

:D

i liked both..but it just goes to show,,you could look very faithfull to the suits and storylines..but it looks silly on the big screen

[Mentok]

Yeah... By the way ROBO... the bounty hunter dude 'Dog' scares the crap out of me :(

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Yeah... By the way ROBO... the bounty hunter dude 'Dog' scares the crap out of me :(


Really?

why is that..your not on the run from him are you.

:D

[Showtime]

Heh Heh Collara. He shouldn't be saying anything negative about anybody. The guy's fan take on Worlds Finest was fantastic, but I don't know about calling Singer a liar.

[KrypJonian]

Can anyone post a working link for the World's Finest movie/trailer?

Every time I try to look for it, I find bad links or get lost. Next thing you know I get too frustrated and give up...:(

Some help would be much appreciated

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2645491


try here..it should work.

[KrypJonian]

I shall, thank you sir

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

it does indeed work.

:up:

[Showtime]

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2645491


try here..it should work.

You beat me to it brother.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I have computer spike embedded in my hand..

:up:

[Showtime]

That's odd because I have hairs on my hand.

[Milkman95]

Heh Heh Collara. He shouldn't be saying anything negative about anybody. The guy's fan take on Worlds Finest was fantastic, but I don't know about calling Singer a liar.

I personally thought DE was much better. WF was a disappointment. Doesn't Sandy know Bats only come out at night?

[Showtime]

I personally thought DE was much better. WF was a disappointment. Doesn't Sandy know Bats only come out at night?

I didn't mind WF, but I agree DE was better. I guess Sandy doesn't have The Batman down yet.

[NateGray]

Well, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. If you look closely at Routh's suit, it's the highest quality one ever made, and the material is LIGHT YEARS better than what Reeve wore..............Routh's suit is very well made, and it's definitely up there with the quality of Maguire's Spider-man suits..........

Not to nit pick but you do know underarmor is a relaitivly new material.

So yeh I agree even though I still do not really like the suit that it is light years better quality than the one Reeves wore.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

under armour?

oh you mean the muscle suit.. since 2002 with spidey and not to mention magnetos costume in X-men.

[KrypJonian]

Damn. I dug WF for what it was.

I never really liked DE. Batman looked cool, but Joker was ass. And what the hell was with the random Predator/Aliens thing?


Sorry, back on topic.

I think it would be interesting, in the movie or not, to see Routh in a Reeve style suit.

[NateGray]

under armour?

oh you mean the muscle suit.. since 2002 with spidey and not to mention magnetos costume in X-men.

Yep yep both .

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

[Milkman95]

^Agreed.

For that matter, I hope Nolan updates Bale's batsuit for 2008's sequel.......

[dark_b]

^Agreed.

For that matter, I hope Nolan updates Bale's batsuit for 2008's sequel.......what would you changed? i think it looks perfect.

[The Kid]

I think it needs new colors and a better head piece and less power-rangers movie style to the costume.

[The Kid]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

Yes he looked rather silly in it for some reason.

I'd have liked to see Routh wear the comic version just once to see what it'd look like on him before deciding it wouldn't work. :(

My biggest problems are the s on the belt and neckline being such a choaker. I always assumed he needed to appear as if he wasn't wearing a superman costume underneath his shirt and that's why his suit had a wider neckline and was so thin with no 3d shield so that people could bump into him and not feel it.

Found this on google. What do you all think of it? What could make this look better?

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/wall/CR-SR-Superman.jpg

[Metropolis_Man]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.

Thats exactly how I feel. The Reeve suit was definately good for its time, but It definately needed and update, and I really like what Routh's suit looks like.

[Shamik]

I remember something about the suit supposedly being Kryptonian battle gear or something. Anyone know anything about this?

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah but even Burton changed it from one suit to another suit in both of his Batman movies, and they are direct sequel. And not to start an arguement, but Batman does have a lot of suits in the comics, but Superman only has the one suit. So theoretcailly Batman could have a lot of suits and it be proper with the comics, but Superman only one, even thought he did have a few different suits in some graphics novels, the original canon is only the one suit.

We all basically know it is jsut a different production designer, or the director wanting one.

Wrong!! Some of the Superman's suits wore by different actors are different compare to Reeve. They may look like Superman, but some has little tweak there & there. And you're forgetting that Batman Returns is not really a direct sequel. Sure it has many of the actors back, but that don't mean squat. We never heard about Joker or Vicki Vale did we? And the fact several sites like wikipedia mention it.

[Milkman95]

what would you changed? i think it looks perfect.

Yes, it looks good but I'd just do some minor tweaking.

[dark_b]

Yes, it looks good but I'd just do some minor tweaking.minor tweaks are good. i thought you wanted to change everything. i dont like that. plus nolan has the realistic aproach.

[StarvingArtist]

Wrong!! Some of the Superman's suits wore by different actors are different compare to Reeve. They may look like Superman, but some has little tweak there & there. And you're forgetting that Batman Returns is not really a direct sequel. Sure it has many of the actors back, but that don't mean squat. We never heard about Joker or Vicki Vale did we? And the fact several sites like wikipedia mention it.

Actually that's not really accurate; Batman returns very much existed as part of the original BATMAN's continuity and could be argued was a direct sequel. All of the actors who played the key roles (Gordon, Bruce, and Alfred) returned, the batmobile design was the same, Batman's overall costume design was barely tweaked, and Vicki Vale IS mentioned as a previous girlfriend during the love scene between Bruce and Selina. Plus, since the relationship between Gordon and Batman was established in the first movie, they already act as if they know each other in Returns.

[StarvingArtist]

minor tweaks are good. i thought you wanted to change everything. i dont like that. plus nolan has the realistic aproach.

Personally, I'd be a lot happier with the cowel being a tad more agile, nixing the cape clips and connecting the cowel to the cape, toning down the machine-like look of the body armour, and making the bat emblem and cowel darker or a different gloss then the rest of the suit.

[dark_b]

Actually that's not really accurate; Batman returns very much existed as part of the original BATMAN's continuity and could be argued was a direct sequel. All of the actors who played the key roles (Gordon, Bruce, and Alfred) returned, the batmobile design was the same, Batman's overall costume design was barely tweaked, and Vicki Vale IS mentioned as a previous girlfriend during the love scene between Bruce and Selina. Plus, since the relationship between Gordon and Batman was established in the first movie, they already act as if they know each other in Returns.burton said that it is not a direct sequel. he used teh same actors and some stuff. but he wanted to make something on hes own. he wanted to make a vague sequel.

[buggs0268]

Can you post a link to Collora's blog Buggs? I cant find it on his website.
I'll take a look. The link used to be in the "i like the suot" and the "I hate the suit" thread before they were deleted. If you can look by date, it should be a week after the USA first look came out. Ill see if I can find it again

[Wushuboy]

To be honest..if you look at WF,the reeve stlye suit just does not work in this time.. it needed updating.


I think the materials used is what needed to be updated.. not the design.

[buggs0268]

Wrong!! Some of the Superman's suits wore by different actors are different compare to Reeve. They may look like Superman, but some has little tweak there & there. And you're forgetting that Batman Returns is not really a direct sequel. Sure it has many of the actors back, but that don't mean squat. We never heard about Joker or Vicki Vale did we? And the fact several sites like wikipedia mention it.
The reason for this is because previous to the Donner movies most of the suits you saw were the technology of that day, or because it was a low budget TV show or Broadway play. Same as with Batman. Look at both Batman and Superman's costumes in their screen movies in the 40's. They look the same. Look at the 50's TV series and the 60's Batman TV series. The same. Donner was the first one to actually tell his production designer to make the suit how it actually is in the comics.

And Batman Returns is a direct sequel. It just had a different production designer, but as Startving Artist said below, it was same cast and same back history. Warner's had actually saved the sets from the first movie and they were still up at Pinewood to shoot the sequel. But in an interview in a magazine in the spring of 1992, Burton wanted the sequel to be in the winter, and he didn't want to shoot in England again. I think he said he had a lot more fun shooting in warm weather in the States shooting Edward Scicsor Hands then he did in England shooting Batman. On Returns the crew even had lunchtime volleyball matches in one of the Warner's parking lots. So he shot on stage at the Warner's lot and Warner's (or the Peters Guber company) ate the cost of renting pinewood and leaving the sets up. And because of that, he wanted to do a redisign of Gotham. He also told his costume designer that he wanted the suit to be more art deco, and more like the design of kitchen apliances in the 40's and 50's. That is why Gotham, Wayne Manor, and the suit looks different. They weren't shooting in England. Also, at the time, Burton said that he didn't feel Batman was his movie, and just a movie he was forced to do. Batman Returns was more his Batman movie. He just had more clout to do whatever he wanted on the second one. Which is why he turned down the Sam Hamm script for the sequel and got his own writers. Everything else stayed the same.

Also, Burton wanted to work with Bo Welch, who had just done the production design for Edward Scisors Hands for him. In fact, much of the crew from Edward was transfered over to Batman Returns. I think mainly because there was so little time between finishing Edward and starting Returns, and he didn't want to have to get to know a new crew. he wanted to just jump right in and get started with people whom he knew their work. Most prodcution designers don't want to just redo someone elses work, or they feel they should hire that person again. So Bo created his own Gotham. And Anton Furst killed himself during the making of Returns.

So it is a direct sequel, it just had a different crew working on it and shot in a different place, and therefore had a different look.

[buggs0268]

Here is the link to the Sandy Collora blog

http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

Judging from what I've heard from not only people actually working on the movie, but from the overwhelmingly negative response on the some of the chat boards and forums to the photo, my intial, gut feeling is that most people are not going to buy Brandon Routh as the man of steel and I think the costume has much more to do with it than people think.

and

There are also two things that I want to clarify here that really bug me about how this costume is being described in the media:

Firstly, the fact that in the USA Today article, where the picture originally surfaced, it's mentioned that the new Superman is all Routh and not a rubber muscle suit. Well, that is 100% incorrect. What you're looking at is actually a sculpted rubber muscle suit underneath a spandex suit, very similar to what was done in the Spiderman films. In my opinion, Brandon Routh not only has the wrong body type for Superman (his torso is too long), he's not big enough, hence the sculpted rubber muscles.

Secondly, in all the interviews I've read, including the USA Today article, Singer refers to, and describes the costume as being something very "traditional". Well, sorry guys, it's not. To me, the only thing traditional about that costume is the fact that it's blue and red, and they didn't even get that right, as I feel the red is too dark. There's nothing traditional whatsoever about the neckline, which by the way, is "designed" to hide the fact that he's wearing the muscle suit underneath it. The sculpted, three dimensional symbol, the S on the belt, the rubber cape, the silly little S texture (yes, that's what it is) all over the suit and not only the position, but the design of the shorts are in no way, shape or form, traditional.

This all goes to show how studios and filmmakers use the press to create or manufacture solutions to issues or problems that are inherent to their films. Problems that simply should not be there in the first place. They somehow think that if they put things out there in the press early, like "It's all Brandon Routh, no rubber suit here." Or "The costume is very traditional." They'll somehow convince the public that those things are true when they most certainly and obviously aren't.

Don't attack me. That is directly quoted from the article he wrote. I just copied and pasted it here. Go look at if yourself.

[Metropolis_Man]

I remember something about the suit supposedly being Kryptonian battle gear or something. Anyone know anything about this?

I do think I remember something like that. It would make sense as to why it never gets messed up.

[Venom71]

Here is the link to the Sandy Collora blog

http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

Judging from what I've heard from not only people actually working on the movie, but from the overwhelmingly negative response on the some of the chat boards and forums to the photo, my intial, gut feeling is that most people are not going to buy Brandon Routh as the man of steel and I think the costume has much more to do with it than people think.

There are also two things that I want to clarify here that really bug me about how this costume is being described in the media:

Firstly, the fact that in the USA Today article, where the picture originally surfaced, it's mentioned that the new Superman is all Routh and not a rubber muscle suit. Well, that is 100% incorrect. What you're looking at is actually a sculpted rubber muscle suit underneath a spandex suit, very similar to what was done in the Spiderman films. In my opinion, Brandon Routh not only has the wrong body type for Superman (his torso is too long), he's not big enough, hence the sculpted rubber muscles.

This all goes to show how studios and filmmakers use the press to create or manufacture solutions to issues or problems that are inherent to their films. Problems that simply should not be there in the first place. They somehow think that if they put things out there in the press early, like "It's all Brandon Routh, no rubber suit here." Or "The costume is very traditional." They'll somehow convince the public that those things are true when they most certainly and obviously aren't.
Collora is a joke and his opinion really doesn't mean anything.

[Sverdlovski]

Or "The costume is very traditional." They'll somehow convince the public that those things are true when they most certainly and obviously aren't.



Ugh, the guy's an idiot and full of himself.

[buggs0268]

He knew Singer was lying in the USA article about it being all Brandon and no padded suit cause he knows people working on the film. The guy who sculpted the suit has it in his resume on his online site, which we found the same week that this article came out, confirming it. After the find, it disapeared from his resume for a bit (probably at the request of Warner's) then returned later on. Which is why I do not believe much of what Singer says when he talks about his choices for the suit. I believe him like I believe Lucas had a plan for Star Wars.

[Metropolis_Man]

Collora is a joke and his opinion really doesn't mean anything.

Exactly. No to be mean, but hes small time and just upset he can't get his non acting muscle brained Superman in the movie.

[Venom71]

He knew Singer was lying in the USA article about it being all Brandon and no padded suit cause he knows people working on the film.
So what? The general audience won't know it is there and it is called movie magic...it doesn't really matter that Singer wasn't telling the truth..you just like to complain.

[buggs0268]

Again, I am not here to argue. You guys wanted me to find the article. I did. I posted the link to it and quotes.

[Pickle-El]

Corolla is another Alex Ross, 'That's not what I would have done.'

Then again, at least Ross has some credibility....

[Sverdlovski]

Singer did not say it was all Brandon. In fact, even before Routh was announced, he explained the costume would have padding.

A USA Today reporter that first said there was no padding. Then others followed it.

Anyway, Collora's still full of himself.

[buggs0268]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-04-22-super-man_x.htm

This first look at Superman Returns— due in theaters in June 2006 — shows that the skin-tight costume stretches over only the actor's muscles and frame, without the augmented armored pecs or abs of recent movie superheroes.

And I can swear the actual newspaper article was longer than this and did have the quote from Singer that it was "All Routh" and no padding. It ran on the cover and the top of the page behind it in that section of it.

[Metropolis_Man]

Yeah, thats true Pickle-El. Sounds like the same griping that Ross did. So what, its not what they would've done. Singer did it, and whether they like it or not, I think most people will agree that its a smart move to update the suit like that for the new movie.

[Milkman95]

Man, is Collora out of hand with is high and mighty know-it-all attitude.

Like I said before, we know why he's still making fan films and Singer is where he is - it's called professionalism and respect for other filmaker's.......clearly, Sandy has NEITHER.

Routh's suit is awesome by the way, very well constructed and a nice update to what Reeve wore........

[Metropolis_Man]

Man, is Collora out of hand with is high and mighty know-it-all attitude.

Like I said before, we know why he's still making fan films and Singer is where he is - it's called professionalism and respect for other filmaker's.....

Exactly. It seems as a filmmaker, even if he didn't like Singers direction, he would give him credit for at least breathing life back into the character and giving him a sort of new direction and his own vision. But like you said, Collora is still making shorts and Singer has a few blockbusters under his regime. :up:

[Michael Corleone]

Corolla is another Alex Ross, 'That's not what I would have done.'

Then again, at least Ross has some credibility....


Not even that. The thing is with Ross I can accept his attitude because when it's all said and done he's just a fanboy. Corolla just comes off as spitefull because he isnt involved or something. Ross is just a fanboy that got a job in the business. So his opinion holds more weight with me even if I disagree with it.

[Venom71]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-04-22-super-man_x.htm

This first look at Superman Returns— due in theaters in June 2006 — shows that the skin-tight costume stretches over only the actor's muscles and frame, without the augmented armored pecs or abs of recent movie superheroes.

And I can swear the actual newspaper article was longer than this and did have the quote from Singer that it was "All Routh" and no padding. It ran on the cover and the top of the page behind it in that section of it.
Not a big deal move on! :down

[lujho]

I think the materials used is what needed to be updated.. not the design.

I agree, but I also think the design could (and should) have been tweaked from Reeve's and still be very much resembling what we see in the comics - and would look better than just "Reeve's suit with Routh's materials". Reeve's was ONE possible version of a very comic faithful suit, Routh's could have been another, instead it has some "updates" that take it out of the realm of the vast majority of comic versions, but more than just being unfaithful they are simply aesthetically inferior - they just don't look as good as the way it's drawn.

You know, I think if every line of the suit had been exactly half-way between what Reeve's was and what Routh's is it would look fantastic.

What I mean is that if the collar was half-way between Routh's and Reeve's (and straight), if the S was exactly halfway between the 2 sizes, the belt halfway between the 2 belt-heights, heck, if the red was halfway between Routh's and Reeve's (but keep the blue the same as Routh's). Basically if you took an "average" of Reeve's and Routh's suit (made with all the materials of Routh's), you'd have a suit that looks better than BOTH of them.

[SuperDaniel]

The suit won`t be explained.

[The Kid]

lol we know. But it's fun to talk about it.

[Superman79]

No this suit is supposed to be the suit he has always worn, even in STM and SII. Aparently the S is supposed to save his life in this movie somehow. Urgggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!

will it become a giant fruit rollup thing again like in SMII?? :D

[Superman79]

Basically if you took an "average" of Reeve's and Routh's suit (made with all the materials of Routh's), you'd have a suit that looks better than BOTH of them.

I agree wholeheartedly :up::up:

[Metropolis_Man]

will it become a giant fruit rollup thing again like in SMII?? :D

I think that just might be the ticket :up:

[The Kid]

I literally laughed out loud at the fruit-rollup thing. That just washed every other thought out of my brain. I have nothing to post about now and can't remember if I ever did.

[Mr. Socko]

I don't think they'll explain the new suit at all, we don't really need one.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

will it become a giant fruit rollup thing again like in SMII?? :D

Talk about a missed product opportunity! 'S' symbol rollups! Throw at your friends and enemies...and then eat them!

[Metropolis_Man]

Talk about a missed product opportunity! 'S' symbol rollups! Throw at your friends and enemies...and then eat them!

YES!! I'm going to email Frut Roll ups and get them to make those so I can throw them at people who follow to close behind me when I'm driving.

[Sub-Zero]

Singer did not say it was all Brandon. In fact, even before Routh was announced, he explained the costume would have padding.

A USA Today reporter that first said there was no padding. Then others followed it.

Anyway, Collora's still full of himself.

i don't remember him saying there would be padding, but i do remember that he said there would be shading on the suit to show muscle definition.

[Sub-Zero]

will it become a giant fruit rollup thing again like in SMII?? :D

lol. if anything is fruit rollup like its the cape. the first time i saw it i wanted to eat it.:confused:

[Mentok]

Here is the link to the Sandy Collora blog

http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

[

Thanks Buggs... I was looking on his website for it :confused: :(

[Showtime]

Solomon Bernstein's Bathroom (2000) (creature designer)


Dogma (1999) (creature effects crew/sculptor) (key effects artist: Vincent J. Guastini Productions)
Men in Black (1997) (concept artist/alien design) (uncredited)
... aka MIB (USA: promotional abbreviation)
The Arrival (1996) (additional alien design)
... aka Shockwave
The Crow (1994) (concept artist/sculptor) (uncredited)
Guyver: Dark Hero (1994) (concept artist)
... aka Guyver 2: Dark Hero (USA: video box title)
Predator 2 (1990) (concept artist) (uncredited)
Spaced Invaders (1990) (lab technician: head Martian crew) (as Sandy Collara)
... aka Martians!!! (USA)


Little Monsters (1989) (creature designer) (uncredited)
A Nightmare On Elm Street: The Dream Child (1989) (creature effects crew) (uncredited)
... aka A Nightmare On Elm Street 5: The Dream Child (USA: poster title)
Leviathan (1989) (creature effects crew) (uncredited)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Director - filmography

World's Finest (2004)
Batman: Dead End (2003)
Archangel (2002)
Solomon Bernstein's Bathroom (2000)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Writer - filmography

World's Finest (2004)
Batman: Dead End (2003) (written by)
Archangel (2002)
Solomon Bernstein's Bathroom (2000)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Producer - filmography

World's Finest (2004) (executive producer)
Batman: Dead End (2003) (executive producer)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Costume Designer - filmography

World's Finest (2004)
Batman: Dead End (2003)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director - filmography

Causality (2004) (first assistant director)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Production Designer - filmography

Batman: Dead End (2003)



Filmography as: Special Effects, Director, Writer, Producer, Costume Designer, Second Unit Director or Assistant Director, Production Designer, Art Director

Art Director - filmography

Batman: Dead End (2003)

[Mr. Socko]

Wow, I didn't know Corolla was so uptight. Well this is why he's still a low rate commercial maker. Doubt if he'll ever make a real feature length film.

[Showtime]

Untitled Superman Returns Sequel (2009) (announced) (in negotiations)
The Mayor of Castro Street (2007) (announced)
You Want Me to Kill Him? (2007) (announced)
Logan's Run (2007) (pre-production)
Superman Returns (2006) (completed)


"House, M.D."
... aka House (USA: short title)
- Occam's Razor (2004) TV Episode
- Pilot (2004) TV Episode
X2 (2003)
... aka X-Men 2 (Singapore: English title) (USA: working title)
... aka X-2 (USA: poster title)
... aka X-Men 2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
... aka X2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
X-Men (2000)
... aka X-Men 1.5 (USA: DVD title)


Apt Pupil (1998)
... aka Élève doué, L' (Canada: French title)
... aka Un élève doué - Été de corruption (France: dubbed version)
The Usual Suspects (1995)
... aka Üblichen Verdächtigen, Die (Germany)
Public Access (1993)


Lion's Den (1988/I)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself, Archive Footage

Producer - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s)

Untitled Superman Returns Sequel (2009) (announced) (producer)
You Want Me to Kill Him? (2007) (announced) (producer)
Look Up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman (2006) (filming) (executive producer)
Superman Returns (2006) (completed) (producer)


"The Triangle" (2005) (mini) TV Series (executive producer)
"House, M.D." (2004) TV Series (executive producer)
... aka House (USA: short title)
X2 (2003) (executive producer)
... aka X-Men 2 (Singapore: English title) (USA: working title)
... aka X-2 (USA: poster title)
... aka X-Men 2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
... aka X2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)


Apt Pupil (1998) (producer)
... aka Élève doué, L' (Canada: French title)
... aka Un élève doué - Été de corruption (France: dubbed version)
Burn (1998) (executive producer)
The Usual Suspects (1995) (producer)
... aka Üblichen Verdächtigen, Die (Germany)
Public Access (1993) (executive producer)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself, Archive Footage

Writer - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s)

Untitled Superman Returns Sequel (2009) (announced)
Logan's Run (2007) (pre-production) (story)
Superman Returns (2006) (completed) (story)


"The Triangle" (2005) (mini) TV Series (story)
X2 (2003) (story)
... aka X-Men 2 (Singapore: English title) (USA: working title)
... aka X-2 (USA: poster title)
... aka X-Men 2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
... aka X2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
X-Men (2000) (story)
... aka X-Men 1.5 (USA: DVD title)


Public Access (1993)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself, Archive Footage

Miscellaneous Crew - filmography
(2000s) (1980s)

Imaginary Heroes (2004) (thanks)
X2 - Wolverine's Revenge (2003) (VG) (special thanks)
... aka X-Men 2: Wolverine's Revenge (UK)


Street Trash (1987) (grip)



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself, Archive Footage

Actor - filmography

X2 (2003) (uncredited) .... Security Officer in Magneto's Prison
... aka X-Men 2 (Singapore: English title) (USA: working title)
... aka X-2 (USA: poster title)
... aka X-Men 2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
... aka X2: X-Men United (USA: promotional title)
Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) (uncredited) .... Kelly



Filmography as: Director, Producer, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Actor, Himself, Archive Footage

Himself - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s)

Official Rejection (2006) (filming) .... Himself
The Secret Life of Superfans (2006) (post-production) .... Himself
Bryan's Journals (2006) (V) (completed) .... Himself


The Shark Is Still Working (2006) (V) .... Himself
"Sunday Morning Shootout"
- Episode dated 7 August 2005 (2005) TV Episode .... Himself
"House, M.D."
... aka House (USA: short title)
- Sports Medicine (2005) TV Episode .... Himself
Access Nation (2004) .... Himself
2nd Annual Spaceys (2004) (TV) .... Himself
The Secret Origin of X-Men (2003) (V) .... Himself
Introducing the Incredible Nightcrawler! (2003) (V) .... Himself
Requiem for Mutants: The Score of 'X2' (2003) (V) .... Himself
The Second Uncanny Issue of X-Men! Making 'X2' (2003) (V) .... Himself
... aka The Second Uncanny Issue of X-Men (USA)
My Life with Count Dracula (2003) .... Himself
The 100 Greatest Movie Stars (2003) (TV) .... Himself
"HBO First Look"
- X2: X-Men United (2003) TV Episode .... Himself
X-Men Production Scrapbook (2003) (V) .... Himself
X-Factor: The Look of 'X-Men' (2003) (V) .... Himself
The Visual Effects of X-Men (2003) (V) .... Himself
The Uncanny Suspects (2003) (V) .... Himself
Keyser Söze: Lie or Legend? (2002) (V) .... Himself
Round Up: Deposing 'The Usual Suspects' (2002) (V) .... Himself


Hitchcock: Shadow of a Genius (1999) (TV) .... Himself
... aka Dial H Hitchcock: The Genius Behind the Showman
... aka Dial H for Hitchcock (Canada: English title)
The Book That Wrote Itself (1999) .... Himself
Cannes Man (1996) .... Himself
... aka Canne$ Man (USA: video box title)
... aka Con Man (USA: DVD box title)

[Showtime]

Who has the better resume? Sandy Collara or Bryan Singer? Must be Sandy right?

[Metropolis_Man]

Singers is too long for me to even start to see what he's done. I think we know the answer here.

[Mentok]

Its like I said before... Its hard for me to hate a fellow surfer... Plus he worked on 'Spaced Aliens' :D

[Mentok]

Sandy was full of crap when he claimed he had the rights to 'FATHOM'. He changed his story a few weeks later to 'I would like to make FATHOM'

[Metropolis_Man]

I did enjoy Batman: Dead End a lot. I think his guy playing Batman was really good.

[buggs0268]

Okay, not starting an arguement, but you guys are missing the point. He has publically stated why a lot of the changes were made to the suit, and they had nothing to do with personal choice of Singer. They had to do with his insistence to having to have a 3D shield, and the muscle suit. Again, not to start an arguement or anything, just as historical reference, he did say there was a muscle suit when Warner's was clearly saying there wasn't. And I believe he knows the guy who sculpted the suit, so he knows exaclty why those changes to the suit were made is all.

But that is why the suit really changed. As far as tp tje movie and series, if Singer is going to explain any changes to the suit, he isn't even going to acknowledge it. In the film, this has always been the suit that Superman has worn. So he will not need to explain it. Even though looking back at the previous installments, you will see a Superman wearing a different suit, to him it is the same suit.

[Mr. Socko]

I liked Batman Dead End, but Sandy thinks he knows everything about every comic book hero.

[Metropolis_Man]

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think he does really good work for what he has. And I think as far as coming straight from the comics, both his Superman and Batman looked great. I just feel for a feature film such as Superman Returns, there needs to be a sort of different style, and some sort of believablity for what its worth, a more realistic take in ways.

[Showtime]

Okay, not starting an arguement, but you guys are missing the point. He has publically stated why a lot of the changes were made to the suit, and they had nothing to do with personal choice of Singer. They had to do with his insistence to having to have a 3D shield, and the muscle suit. Again, not to start an arguement or anything, just as historical reference, he did say there was a muscle suit when Warner's was clearly saying there wasn't. And I believe he knows the guy who sculpted the suit, so he knows exaclty why those changes to the suit were made is all.

As to if Singer is going to explain any changes to the suit, he isn't even going to acknowledge it. In the film, this has always been the suit that Superman has worn. So he will not need to explain it. Even though looking back at the previous installments, you will see a Superman wearing a different suit, to him it is the same suit.

I don't understand your point. You think that we don't know that Singer makes up stories left and right? He said that Richard White wasn't related to Perry White, boom, he is. He said that Routh wasn't wearing padding, boom, in some scenes he is. He said the trailer would come out in April, boom, it is coming out in May.

Singer and almost all other directors bend the truth to protect "their movie". Do you remember the false information Singer gave the fans with X-Men? There is a reason for it, if Sandy Collora thinks you have to be honest with the fans and give away every bit of a movie, then there is a reason he is listed as "uncredited" on most movies and is still making shorts.

Even if Sandy is saying that he knows this person who skulpted the suit why should we believe it? Because it is in one of his blogs? What gives Sandy Collora any more credibility than Bryan Singer?

Why does Singer have to explain any changes to the Superman suit anyway? It is still the traditional Superman suit, it's not the classic suit, but it's a retro version of the suit. Small \S/, S on the belt, darker red, higher collar, smaller trunks...these have all been seen on other renditions of Superman in the past to different degrees.

Sandy Collara and Alex Ross can get together and ***** and moan about Superman Returns and Singer until their faces turn classic Superman Red but they will be on the sidelines while they do it. :up:

[Metropolis_Man]

I don't understand your point. You think that we don't know that Singer makes up stories left and right? He said that Richard White wasn't related to Perry White, boom, he is. He said that Routh wasn't wearing padding, boom, in some scenes he is. He said the trailer would come out in April, boom, it is coming out in May.

Singer and almost all other directors bend the truth to protect "their movie". Do you remember the false information Singer gave the fans with X-Men? There is a reason for it, if Sandy Collora thinks you have to be honest with the fans and give away every bit of a movie, then there is a reason he is listed as "uncredited" on most movies and is still making shorts.

Even if Sandy is saying that he knows this person who skulpted the suit why should we believe it? Because it is in one of his blogs? What gives Sandy Collora any more credibility than Bryan Singer?

Why does Singer have to explain any changes to the Superman suit anyway? It is still the traditional Superman suit, it's not the classic suit, but it's a retro version of the suit. Small \S/, S on the belt, darker red, higher collar, smaller trunks...these have all been seen on other renditions of Superman in the past to different degrees.

Sandy Collara and Alex Ross can get together and ***** and moan about Superman Returns and Singer until their faces turn classic Superman Red but they will be on the sidelines while they do it. :up:

Until their faces turn classic Superman Red. Haha. I like that. Very good post sir.

[Mentok]

ROFL. :up:

Showtime... You my friend, you are a true wordsmith.

[Showtime]

ROFL. :up:

Showtime... You my friend, you are a true wordsmith.

:ghost: :up:

[Metropolis_Man]

ROFL. :up:

Showtime... You my friend, you are a true wordsmith.

Quick note, I also hear hes a locksmith. :(

[Showtime]

Quick note, I also hear hes a locksmith. :(

You're definately a jokesmith. :mad:

[Mentok]

I used to be a blacksmith.

[Metropolis_Man]

I was once a Hurmetsmith in the future.

[Showtime]

Just ask Kevin Smith.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I was a mrssmith until a few years (and surgeries) ago.


























kidding

[Showtime]

I was a mrssmith until a few years (and surgeries) ago.


:down :eek: :up:

[Mentok]

'Awwwh Hell Nawhhh'

Thats a quote from Will Smith.

[Showtime]

I always follow the antics of Will Smith and Uncle Phil on Nick @ Nite

[Mentok]

Carlton was the best :up:

[Mentok]

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/83000/83028hMOL_w.jpg

[Showtime]

Carlton was the best :up:


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/xoCherryliciousxo23/Icons/thCarltonDance.gif

[The Sage]

I don't understand your point. You think that we don't know that Singer makes up stories left and right? He said that Richard White wasn't related to Perry White, boom, he is. He said that Routh wasn't wearing padding, boom, in some scenes he is. He said the trailer would come out in April, boom, it is coming out in May.

Singer and almost all other directors bend the truth to protect "their movie". Do you remember the false information Singer gave the fans with X-Men? There is a reason for it, if Sandy Collora thinks you have to be honest with the fans and give away every bit of a movie, then there is a reason he is listed as "uncredited" on most movies and is still making shorts.

Even if Sandy is saying that he knows this person who skulpted the suit why should we believe it? Because it is in one of his blogs? What gives Sandy Collora any more credibility than Bryan Singer?

Why does Singer have to explain any changes to the Superman suit anyway? It is still the traditional Superman suit, it's not the classic suit, but it's a retro version of the suit. Small \S/, S on the belt, darker red, higher collar, smaller trunks...these have all been seen on other renditions of Superman in the past to different degrees.

Sandy Collara and Alex Ross can get together and ***** and moan about Superman Returns and Singer until their faces turn classic Superman Red but they will be on the sidelines while they do it. :up:

Excellent.

[Mentok]

This thread is officially off topic... Sorry guys :(

[The Kid]

wtf guys, stay on topic. And this is me talking here, Mr. Spamsmith... :)

[Showtime]

Sorry men! Back on topic then.

[Metropolis_Man]

This thread is officially off topic... Sorry guys :(

This happens, heres help to get back on track. Did anyone ever mention if the darker blue lines on the suit were some part of the Kryptonian technology? I know it has been discussed but I never heard if it will be used for any certain thing.

[Showtime]

I dont know if it has every been explained. I was under the impression it was a design element.

[Mentok]

This happens, heres help to get back on track. Did anyone ever mention if the darker blue lines on the suit were some part of the Kryptonian technology? I know it has been discussed but I never heard if it will be used for any certain thing.

Singer said they were part of the manufacturing process for the suit... It seems that they dont show up on film or they digitally remove them.

[Showtime]

Singer said they were part of the manufacturing process for the suit... It seems that they dont show up on film or they digitally remove them.

You are right, I remember this discussion months ago. The problem with that theory is aren't they showing up in photos though. The one where he is about to kiss Lois?

[Metropolis_Man]

Hmm, confusing. This could be a nice little debate and it would be good to see who could scoop out all the info first. I have seen them in a few photos but I'm not sure if thats unofficial pictures or what.

[Sub-Zero]

gotta love the forum debates. they're always hardcore.

[Showtime]

Hmm, confusing. This could be a nice little debate and it would be good to see who could scoop out all the info first. I have seen them in a few photos but I'm not sure if thats unofficial pictures or what.

We should ask Superman himself...let's check the "Supercam":

http://www.capedwonder.com/STMgif/CW-STM-rocks.gif

Oops...he's busy causing avalanches with his mind. We'll ask him later.

[Sub-Zero]

haha

[buggs0268]

We should ask Superman himself...let's check the "Supercam":

http://www.capedwonder.com/STMgif/CW-STM-rocks.gif

Oops...he's busy causing avalanches with his mind. We'll ask him later.
Ahhhhh now that is the suit. Superman. Although the Salkinds really F'ed up when they didnt make sure to committ Derek Meddings for the entire shoot and he had to leave to work on the next Bond and this was done by other people and it just looks bad. Meddings would hav done this whole scene way better. Probably would have required a bigger scale model than HO scale buildings. And he would have shot it outside under natural Sunlight and not in a studio where you can see the old arc lights or space lights with a daylight filter on them reflecting in the water.

Sorry back to the topic of the thread.

[Sub-Zero]

he looks steroidal in that gif.

[skruloos]

We should ask Superman himself...let's check the "Supercam":

http://www.capedwonder.com/STMgif/CW-STM-rocks.gif

Oops...he's busy causing avalanches with his mind. We'll ask him later.
Superman? Where? I see Christopher Reeve in an ugly Halloween costume. :p

[buggs0268]

he looks steroidal in that gif.
That was near the end of the shoot for Supes 1 when he was atg his biggest. Sorry, back to the topic.

[Sub-Zero]

i hope they don't explain the new suit. i remember when rumors were going around saying that they'd explain why routh doesn't look like reeve.

[Showtime]

Superman? Where? I see Christopher Reeve in an ugly Halloween costume. :p

:ghost: :up:

[Sub-Zero]

skruloos that was blasphemous

[The Kid]

RIP Reeve/comic-supersuit. -_-

[Metropolis_Man]

We should ask Superman himself...let's check the "Supercam":

http://www.capedwonder.com/STMgif/CW-STM-rocks.gif

Oops...he's busy causing avalanches with his mind. We'll ask him later.

Woah big blue has had a change of heart here. And yeah, Reeve looks quite huge here.

[skruloos]

skruloos that was blasphemous
Not any worse then what people have slung at Singer's suit.

[Showtime]

Not any worse then what people have slung at Singer's suit.


:) :up:

[buggs0268]

skruloos that was blasphemous
Not attacking Skru, becasue he has stated his opinion numerous times, but he is one of the few that never liked the Suit Reeve wore, even in the 70's when the movie came out.

[The Kid]

how come singer uses everything from the donner movies but the suit. This perplexes me.

[Nightwing1977]

Man, is Collora out of hand with is high and mighty know-it-all attitude.

Like I said before, we know why he's still making fan films and Singer is where he is - it's called professionalism and respect for other filmaker's.......clearly, Sandy has NEITHER.

Routh's suit is awesome by the way, very well constructed and a nice update to what Reeve wore........

There you go. Collora is a hack & now we see why he haven't done Hollywood films yet. Plus, he don't know how to direct & pick the right actors. He prefer the look of the characters than talent. Alex Ross is an idiot too. He & Collora are possibilty husband & husband with how they both have massive ego. :p :joker:

[Nightwing1977]

Not attacking Skru, becasue he has stated his opinion numerous times, but he is one of the few that never liked the Suit Reeve wore, even in the 70's when the movie came out.

That because he, myself, & others who don't like the suit anymore aren't trap in the 70s/80s. It been almost 30 yrs. since the first movie came out & it don't work anymore. If you think so, then I guess you like Adam West's Batman costume too, huh? It's very homemade like Reeve wore. Beside, at least Routh's suit is very expensive & more than $100 hundred dollars like you claim, seeing as you refuse to make a costume like Routh for just $100 hundred. Which prove you're incorrect that Routh's costume is a $100 hundred homemade costume :p

[dark_b]

I don't understand your point. You think that we don't know that Singer makes up stories left and right? He said that Richard White wasn't related to Perry White, boom, he is. He said that Routh wasn't wearing padding, boom, in some scenes he is. He said the trailer would come out in April, boom, it is coming out in May.

Singer and almost all other directors bend the truth to protect "their movie". Do you remember the false information Singer gave the fans with X-Men? There is a reason for it, if Sandy Collora thinks you have to be honest with the fans and give away every bit of a movie, then there is a reason he is listed as "uncredited" on most movies and is still making shorts.

Even if Sandy is saying that he knows this person who skulpted the suit why should we believe it? Because it is in one of his blogs? What gives Sandy Collora any more credibility than Bryan Singer?

Why does Singer have to explain any changes to the Superman suit anyway? It is still the traditional Superman suit, it's not the classic suit, but it's a retro version of the suit. Small \S/, S on the belt, darker red, higher collar, smaller trunks...these have all been seen on other renditions of Superman in the past to different degrees.

Sandy Collara and Alex Ross can get together and ***** and moan about Superman Returns and Singer until their faces turn classic Superman Red but they will be on the sidelines while they do it. :up:i agree wit h your post. but i dont agree with the trailer. i dont belive that singer knew that the trailer will be in may and that he would than said april.this would than be menan. and this would than have nothing to do with protecting the movie. it would just made the fans mad. so i think he thought that the trailer is coming out in april.

but with other i agree.

[dark_b]

i just want to qute sandy collora from this link: http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

''It lacks power, presence and an overall cohesiveness that makes it somehow look like someone dressed up like Superman, but it's not SUPERMAN.''

in your face sandy collora :o
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_SupermanReturnsGotMilk_IVAN%7E1.jpg

[son of jorel]

http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_SupermanReturnsGotMilk_IVAN%7E1.jpg

Ive never seen this pic before nice!

[lujho]

Again, not to start an arguement or anything, just as historical reference, he did say there was a muscle suit when Warner's was clearly saying there wasn't.

Again, no, they weren't. Come one, prove Singer or WB said there was no padding, rather than just some USA Today reporter.

[Mentok]

how come singer uses everything from the donner movies but the suit. This perplexes me.


Singer dosent use everything from the donner films.

[Metropolis_Man]

Singer dosent use everything from the donner films.

Yeah, I don't think it helps to explain this to some. For some reason there are a few who have a hard time grasping what Singer is doing. He's using the movies as a vauge history, which has been said a countless number of time on the boards and in interviews. Oh well. I'm eating some Town House crackers, so its good. :up:

[Milkman95]

Bottom line for is I DON'T CARE if he's wearing padding or not - the suit looks good regardless. Who cares...............

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Bottom line for is I DON'T CARE if he's wearing padding or not - the suit looks good regardless. Who cares...............


elementry my dear doctor milkman,Massive fanboys do.

:D

But i agree with your statement,my good man.

:)

[dark_b]

Bottom line for is I DON'T CARE if he's wearing padding or not - the suit looks good regardless. Who cares...............thats what i have been saying. routh looks good in the suit.IMO :up::)

but: fact is that the padding is everywhere. but does it matter? it will matter if it looks fake in the movie. if not that they did a great job.

[Milkman95]

elementry my dear doctor milkman,Massive fanboys do.

:D

But i agree with your statement,my good man.

:)

Yup - Oh no, he's wearing padding, the world is ending............As long as Singer and Routh capture the essence of Superman, we're good.

Did Spider-man fans boycott those films because Maguire is wearing a muscle suit? Nah, didn't think so...........

[Metropolis_Man]

thats what i have been saying. routh looks good in the suit.IMO :up::)

but: fact is that the padding is everywhere. but does it matter? it will matter if it looks fake in the movie. if not that they did a great job.

Exactly, people seem to act like it has to be his body only, when a suit like that really doesn't show off the full definition. The Spiderman movies had painted on muscles.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Yup - Oh no, he's wearing padding, the world is ending............As long as Singer and Routh capture the essence of Superman, we're good.

Did Spider-man fans boycott those films because Maguire is wearing a muscle suit? Nah, didn't think so...........



Well, Fanboys move in mysterious ways.:o

[The Kid]

Yeah, I don't think it helps to explain this to some. For some reason there are a few who have a hard time grasping what Singer is doing. He's using the movies as a vauge history, which has been said a countless number of time on the boards and in interviews. Oh well. I'm eating some Town House crackers, so its good. :up:

Are you talking about me? What the... I know about vague history (if that's what they want us to believe). What I'm talking about is how much of the old movies made their way into the curren one. I'm not part of some eveil underground cult of people who just want to bash movies all day whoever you are. I asked a question because it's plain as day seems like everything from the donner films made a smooth transition to the new movie except the suit, even brando who's dead and in the ground right now is coming back. Then I logged into the hype to talk to my good friends here that I've been with for about a year, and ask if there's some how an explanation for what my eyes see here, mine, not mine and some other people I don't know. All I know is what I see. and Mentok told me that not everything is linked to the old movies. He didn't elaborate, but if Mentok said it it has to have some truth to it, I bet. I've read his stuff for a long time and he's not much for bs.

[dark_b]

Exactly, people seem to act like it has to be his body only, when a suit like that really doesn't show off the full definition. The Spiderman movies had painted on muscles.and a muscle suit under the costume. but with the spidey suit it was easier because the webbing did hide it. with superman it is harder.

but oyu know what? i was not following the fantastic four movie. and this month i just found out that the torch was having a muscle suit. i never noticed this in the movie.

[Metropolis_Man]

Well, Fanboys move in mysterious ways.:o

I believe that is a part of modern philosophy.

[dark_b]

Are you talking about me? What the... I know about vague history. What I'm talking about is how much of the old movies made their way into the curren one. I'm not part of some eveil underground cult of people who just want to bash movies all day whoever you are. I asked a question because it's plain as day seems like everything from the donner films made a smooth transition to the new movie except the suit. Then I logged into the hype to talk to my good friends here I've been with for about a year if there's some how an explanation for what my eyes see, mine and Mentok told me that not everything is linked to the old movies. He didn't elaborate, but if Mentok said it it has to have some truth to it, I bet.:confused:singer also changed metropolis. it will look nothing like NY.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I believe that is a part of modern philosophy.


It is..

:cool:

[Milkman95]

and a muscle suit under the costume. but with the spidey suit it was easier because the webbing did hide it. with superman it is harder.

but oyu know what? i was not following the fantastic four movie. and this month i just found out that the torch was having a muscle suit. i never noticed this in the movie.

Chris and Ioan both had muscle suits, it makes the suit look smoother and better.

Any you're correct about Spider-man, I was on the set for the first film as an extra, and even helped the stunt guy put the damn thing on - I guarantee you that Maguire's muscle-suit is a lot more defined than Routh's.......

[Milkman95]

singer also changed metropolis. it will look nothing like NY.

You're mistaken there - the production designer did in fact use templates of NY.........:up:

It will be kind of like Nolan's Gotham, which was a combination of Chicago, London, and film sets, but Singer's will by Sydney, NY, CGI, and sets.......

[Metropolis_Man]

And theres nothing wrong with the suits looking like that, it would be hard to convey such definition through that material. Its understandable why they do that. I've had no gripes about it. They could make it look like the comics if they painted the persons body and outlined the muscles in black, but would we want that?

[dark_b]

You're mistaken there - the production designer did in fact use templates of NY.........:up:

It will be kind of like Nolan's Gotham, which was a combination of Chicago, London, and film sets, but Singer's will by Sydney, NY, CGI, and sets.......ok i will post different. it will not loos like NY. but it will have buildings from NY.

and when you look at gotham you dont see chiccago. you see only the buildings. the city has a different ''feel''.

[Bale]

i just want to qute sandy collora from this link: http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

''It lacks power, presence and an overall cohesiveness that makes it somehow look like someone dressed up like Superman, but it's not SUPERMAN.''

in your face sandy collora :o
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_SupermanReturnsGotMilk_IVAN%7E1.jpg

Sandy Collora is 100% right ! I dont like te costume,but I like the Trailer and it looked great, so what. His upper body is way too thin, the "S" is too small. Maybe they can change a few things for the sequel.

Collora did a great job on Batman Dead End.

[The Kid]

a wider neckline would probably take your attention off the lean-ness of his upper body i think.

Think about that for next time, Singer.

[Brian Braddock]

Sandy Collora 100% right? - this is the guy who used cheap-ass spandex costumes (which just don't work anymore) for his films? His Superman? Now that costume looked like someone dressed up as Superman, but not Superman - if anytrhing does - and he put it on a bodybuilder, no less.

SR's costume looks just fine to me. Milkman95 - I agree with you 100%. Routh looks great as Clark and great a Superman.

Who cares if there is a little 'augmentation' in the suit? It looks good and will look even better in motion up there on the big screen.

:up:

[Showtime]

i agree wit h your post. but i dont agree with the trailer. i dont belive that singer knew that the trailer will be in may and that he would than said april.this would than be menan. and this would than have nothing to do with protecting the movie. it would just made the fans mad. so i think he thought that the trailer is coming out in april.

but with other i agree.

Whether he was hiding it or not remains to be seen. The point is that things change and directors are not immune to bending the truth. I just don't understand the "Singer is a liar" attitude that Collara is strutting around with. He needs to relax and focus on working on his artistic craft before he can act like he has any hand.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Collera..just thinks if it looks like the comic people will like it..

How wrong he is.

[Nivek]

Bottom line for is I DON'T CARE if he's wearing padding or not - the suit looks good regardless. Who cares...............

People with too much time on their hands, thats who.

Im with you, the suit looks fine, as good as the spidey suit. All this whine and cheeze is just pointless frothing till we get to sit in the Theatre seat on June 30th.

[The Kid]

I learned that a while ago. It was like a lightbulb going off in my brain.

There are MUCH more important problems in the world than the size superman's underpants.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

Fanboys,don't have anything else to worry about.

[The Kid]

i guess that's true.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I know..shame really.

[buggs0268]

You know who you guys remind me of? These very same guys:

"In fact, the fans did a total 180 and started supporting the script, proclaiming that change is good and so long as Superman himself stays the same personality-wise, any change WB makes is OK by them. Pretty soon, those opposed to the "re-imagining" were reduced to a much-mocked and derided minority. (The fans also started voicing claims that the traditional Superman "has had enough of a chance and is now a failure," and that these changes were just what the doctor ordered to make the character a sensation again. Any criticisms of the project were condemned by the fans as ignorant, ignoble, needlessly negative and faithless, and "being afraid of change." Worse still, many fans adopted the attitude that anyone unhappy enough with WB’s plans to avoid the Superman movie has no right to utter one word of complaint about the project, that you can only complain about the movie so long as you go to see it anyway—in simpler language, you must be a two-faced, spineless WB tool in order for your opinions to be respected. This attitude is still in full swing, most notably on the message boards at Superhero Hype and Superman CINEMA.) "

or the WB

"he doesn’t believe comics deserve to be translated to film—and he said flat-out that the fans’ complaints about Burton’s attempted changes to Superman were petty and unimportant. "It’s just a movie, everything they were complaining about was inconsequential," he claimed"

Both quotes taken from this article here:
http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

In fact, I bet you guys are them. Some things never change, you guys have just changed to a new topic. But the responses seem to be the same.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

thats a bit of a generalisation.

[Brian Braddock]

As opposed to people who just ***** and moan about superficial little changes that will have no bearing on the film in the end;

organic web-shooters.
Wolverine's claws not coming out the top of his hands.
Hulk as CG.
Batman Begins suit not being black and grey enough.
Superman Returns suit.

[explode7]

Tell them.

[Brian Braddock]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/jacjjokertk.jpg

[explode7]

Whats with all these BAtman references???

[Sverdlovski]

Since I believe the Superman Returns' costume is the classic Superman costume and Superman is not being "re-imagined" in SR, this doesn't fit at all.

[Milkman95]

Well, the character itself IS the most important. Burton took it way too far, but the look of Routh is indeed Superman, there's no questioning that. The talk of belt buckles, necklines, and color shades is ridiculous to me because they are very small things, like what SUPERBENITEZ described above.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Whats with all these BAtman references???



Because they kick serous ass.:up: :)

[buggs0268]

Oh I give up. You are the same people, just using the same rhetoric and you don't even notice when you guys are doing the exact same thing all over again about a new topic, giving the same repsonses.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

dude you feeling ok?

you were in the arguments were you not?

[Brian Braddock]

Oh I give up. You are the same people, just using the same rhetoric and you don't even notice when you guys are doing the exact same thing all over again about a new topic, giving the same repsonses.


Oh, the irony. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Venom71]

You know who you guys remind me of? These very same guys:

"In fact, the fans did a total 180 and started supporting the script, proclaiming that change is good and so long as Superman himself stays the same personality-wise, any change WB makes is OK by them. Pretty soon, those opposed to the "re-imagining" were reduced to a much-mocked and derided minority. (The fans also started voicing claims that the traditional Superman "has had enough of a chance and is now a failure," and that these changes were just what the doctor ordered to make the character a sensation again. Any criticisms of the project were condemned by the fans as ignorant, ignoble, needlessly negative and faithless, and "being afraid of change." Worse still, many fans adopted the attitude that anyone unhappy enough with WB’s plans to avoid the Superman movie has no right to utter one word of complaint about the project, that you can only complain about the movie so long as you go to see it anyway—in simpler language, you must be a two-faced, spineless WB tool in order for your opinions to be respected. This attitude is still in full swing, most notably on the message boards at Superhero Hype and Superman CINEMA.) "

or the WB

"he doesn’t believe comics deserve to be translated to film—and he said flat-out that the fans’ complaints about Burton’s attempted changes to Superman were petty and unimportant. "It’s just a movie, everything they were complaining about was inconsequential," he claimed"

Both quotes taken from this article here:
http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic2730.htm

In fact, I bet you guys are them. Some things never change, you guys have just changed to a new topic. But the responses seem to be the same.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/Hoosier05/negative13.jpg

[buggs0268]

I was actually here under another screen name, on another computer in another state, getting derided for being outspoken and fighting those "re-imagining" changes that Warner's wanted to make. So yeah, I guess the irony. But the guy posting above ^ sure looks familiar as someone who wanted the re-imagining and "Any criticisms of the project were condemned by the fans as ignorant, ignoble, needlessly negative and faithless, and "being afraid of change." You haven't changed at all, jsut went to a new arguement.

[skruloos]

Oh I give up. You are the same people, just using the same rhetoric and you don't even notice when you guys are doing the exact same thing all over again about a new topic, giving the same repsonses.
You make it out like it's a black and white issue. There are degrees to what everyone can accept. You make the changes to be this huge momentous thing but some people actually don't much stock in them. Shades of color? A neckline? A belt buckle? Hey, you might think these are intrinsic to the character but it doesn't make it a universal fact.

As far as the article you posted, they were talking about Burton (who wanted to make drastic changes to the costume and the character) and other drafts that involved completely changing the mythos and his history. So far what we know as concrete are the aforementioned costume changes and Lois has a kid. I'm withholding judgment on the kid til I see the movie. As far as the costume goes...even if I didn't like the changes...I would have been much happier with what we got over the Borg suit, the suit in a can, the non-exploding Krypton, et al.

[Brian Braddock]

You make it out like it's a black and white issue. There are degrees to what everyone can accept. You make the changes to be this huge momentous thing but some people actually don't much stock in them. Shades of color? A neckline? A belt buckle? Hey, you might think these are intrinsic to the character but it doesn't make it a universal fact.

As far as the article you posted, they were talking about Burton (who wanted to make drastic changes to the costume and the character) and other drafts that involved completely changing the mythos and his history. So far what we know as concrete are the aforementioned costume changes and Lois has a kid. I'm withholding judgment on the kid til I see the movie. As far as the costume goes...even if I didn't like the changes...I would have been much happier with what we got over the Borg suit, the suit in a can, the non-exploding Krypton, et al.

Here, here. Good post. :up:

[Sverdlovski]

Buggs, you were fine with the idea of putting the \S/ symbol on the belt before... what happened?

[Showtime]

You make it out like it's a black and white issue. There are degrees to what everyone can accept. You make the changes to be this huge momentous thing but some people actually don't much stock in them. Shades of color? A neckline? A belt buckle? Hey, you might think these are intrinsic to the character but it doesn't make it a universal fact.

As far as the article you posted, they were talking about Burton (who wanted to make drastic changes to the costume and the character) and other drafts that involved completely changing the mythos and his history. So far what we know as concrete are the aforementioned costume changes and Lois has a kid. I'm withholding judgment on the kid til I see the movie. As far as the costume goes...even if I didn't like the changes...I would have been much happier with what we got over the Borg suit, the suit in a can, the non-exploding Krypton, et al.

Very nice Skru...very, very nice. :ghost: :up:

[explode7]

You make it out like it's a black and white issue. There are degrees to what everyone can accept. You make the changes to be this huge momentous thing but some people actually don't much stock in them. Shades of color? A neckline? A belt buckle? Hey, you might think these are intrinsic to the character but it doesn't make it a universal fact.

As far as the article you posted, they were talking about Burton (who wanted to make drastic changes to the costume and the character) and other drafts that involved completely changing the mythos and his history. So far what we know as concrete are the aforementioned costume changes and Lois has a kid. I'm withholding judgment on the kid til I see the movie. As far as the costume goes...even if I didn't like the changes...I would have been much happier with what we got over the Borg suit, the suit in a can, the non-exploding Krypton, et al.

You just owned him skru. How does it feel???

[Brian Braddock]

You just owned him skru. How does it feel???



http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/bruceetdhansmacked1.jpg

[Showtime]

Poor Buggs, he got fried by Skruloos and earlier by me.

[The Kid]

I'm proud of my fellow hater for not striking back and going on and on with all this hater vs lover stuff again. Let's just buy our popcorn, shut up, and watch the movie already and save space on the board for our biching after we've seen it in action for two hours or more.

I'm done with the arguing. Nobody's going to change anybody's position unless we use guns.

Butt Keep the fight alive, buggs. I guess it's worth it...

[Showtime]

I'm proud of my fellow hater for not striking back and going on and on with all this hater vs lover stuff again. Let's just buy our popcorn, shut up, and watch the movie already and save space on the board for our biching after we've seen it in action for two hours or more.

Coming from somebody else, that might mean something. :ghost: :up:

[The Kid]

Sure. I didn't really read the whole thread so what I said probably meant nothing.

[Showtime]

Sure. I didn't really read the whole thread so what I said probably meant nothing.

Nobody has anything against Buggs, he's a good poster, most just didn't agree that Sandy Collara has any credibility when it comes to Superman.

[The Kid]

That guy's work is so cool. I don't know what the issue is with him or nothing really but I liked his little fan movies for novelty reasons.

[Showtime]

That guy's work is so cool. I don't know what the issue is with him or nothing really but I liked his little fan movies.

Collara's fan movies were great, that wasn't the issue. It was Collara calling Singer a liar in regards to the suit that sparked some conversation and buggs defense of Collara's credibility.

[Morgoth]

This pic is so awesome!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Naite22/BlacksupeswithMaKent.jpgI agree. I really like the whole Death and Return saga, and it's cool to see the black suit brought to life, well it's grey I guess but still reminds me of it.

[Showtime]

^That is damn cool.

[The Kid]

Collara's fan movies were great, that wasn't the issue. It was Collara calling Singer a liar in regards to the suit that sparked some conversation and buggs defense of Collara's credibility.

oh ho, I see, so who won, you and skru or buggs? I'd read the last few pages, but I have no honest desire to. I took a peak at it but all the text was too daunting.

Nevermind, buggs lost. ****

[The Kid]

^That is damn cool.

yeah it actually is cool

[Showtime]

Your avatar is the best though...did you see her on Esquire.

[The Kid]

No but I'd like too very very very much :D OH Rosario...

[Nightwing1977]

No but I'd like too very very very much :D OH Rosario...

I might meet her this July. She's going to appear at Heroes Con in Charlotte, NC. I bet you'll be jealous I meet her & not you. :p He he! Just teasing you. Not meant to be rude at all, Wesyeed. Since you're a cool guy & all so far to me. ;) :)

[Showtime]

I might meet her this July. She's going to appear at Heroes Con in Charlotte, NC. I bet you'll be jealous I meet her & not you. :p He he! Just teasing you. Not meant to be rude at all, Wesyeed. Since you're a cool guy & all so far to me. ;) :)

I think Metropolisman is going to that.

[The Kid]

I might meet her this July. She's going to appear at Heroes Con in Charlotte, NC. I bet you'll be jealous I meet her & not you. :p He he! Just teasing you. Not meant to be rude at all, Wesyeed. Since you're a cool guy & all so far to me. ;) :)


Have fun at the Con with my woman. :p
just remember :mad: she's mine, you got that?

[SuperDaniel]

Ive never been to a comic book convention... :(

[Galactical]

Neither have I. Anyway back to the suit.

I have two questions. Has superman achieved the status of Myth in the public's eye by now? Can myth be so easily changed?

[Sub-Zero]

what do you mean by "myth?" are you saying that he's like batman(people don't know if he really exists)? i think everyone knows superman exists. they might just be angry that he left without telling anyone. that's why they are so surprised to see him when he's flying around the city. just speculation.

[Fatboy Roberts]

oh ho, I see, so who won, you and skru or buggs?

Buggs always loses. Yunno why? I got him admitting in a thread here that he does what he does for his own personal amusement. he's an admitted troll. He just does it to blow off steam between renders of whatever effects piece he's helping out on. Most of the time he doesn't even believe half the crap he's spouting, he's just saying it to get in a fight.

He actually admitted this to me in a phone call to my radio show.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Radio show?

Dr Frasier crane is that you?

[Fatboy Roberts]

clicky the linky in my siggy.

I didn't put him on the air, because no one else would have cared that some dude who starts flamewars on a superman board is faking it, typically, but he did call in.

The people who fought with him earlier in the thread knew all this, I believe--but fought with him anyway. Weird.

[Venom71]

Radio show?

Dr Frasier crane is that you?
Maybe Fatboy is Howard Stern? :eek:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

interesting dude,


:up:

[Fatboy Roberts]

thanks. Not to derail the thread too much, but dig yesterday's show we riffed a little on Superman Returns, and there's interviews with Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) and Milla Jovovich up currently right now.