Have your thoughts about the suit changed?

[X Knight]

Hello all,

I'm new here, so I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere, so please forgive me if it has.

Well, we've had quite a few new pics of Superman in his suit ( pretty darn good ones, I might add ). And, we've gotten a much better look at it.

So, I was just wondering if any one has had a change of heart about Supe's new suit.

Has the suit grown on you (for those who didn't really like it at the beginning)?

I think, for me, it definately has!!!! When I saw the very first picture, I felt "meh" and underwhelmed. Especially after what Batman got in Batman Begins.

But now, after seeing all these new pics, I must say that it looks fantastic. Especially with the right lighting ( a rich, darker blue).

And, when you compare the new suit with all the other Live Action suits, the new one looks the most "real world"

I guess my only complaint about the suit would be that the shield should be just a tad bigger, the red just a tad brighter, and the trunks just a tad longer. And, perhaps, Routh just a tad bit muscular. But, right now, I think those are minor issues, which could easily be corrected for the sequels.

And, except for the KID issue, I think (and hope) this is going to be a very grand and epic movie.

So, what are your thoughts?

[Superman79]

I think this idea for a thread has been way overdone...and really all you are gonna get is a bit o' flame on both sides (lovers and haters).

Really, I reserve judgement (except about the kid, like yourself), til i see a) a longer trailer and/or b) the actual movie.

Though nice try at a new thread rookie, and welcome to the Hype bud, it's good to have you :D

[Scooter]

Not really, no. My dissappointment has spread to other aspects of the film, so I'm not as *****y about the suit anymore, if that counts...

[SolidSnakeMGS]

When there's an 's' on your chest, there is no rest.

[buggs0268]

No. Not at all. Still hate the stupid thing. Actually, scratch that. It has changed. I hate it even more now than when I first saw it.

[ToddIsDead]

My opinion on the suit has stayed possitive throughout.

[The Fallen]

I don't mind the suit. It incorporates all the required items (S Sheild, red cape, boots, blue suit and yellow belt) but modernises them a bit. As long as it is explained why the suit is different to the Reeves suit, as it is a substantual departure, I'll be happy.:supes:

[Naite22]

The VERY FIRST TIME I saw the first released pic of Routh as Supes in the new suit, I couldn't help but to feel a little dissapointed.. But I thought Routh looked GREAT! I've always liked Routh, and even more now!
I think he'll do a great job!.. And I can HONNESTLY say that my feelings on the new suit has changed for the BETTER..
I've always loved the bit darker collors, I think that's cool! I've always thought that the new 'S' logo was beautiful (from the very first time I saw it. It was classic yet updated a bit)!! The size of the logo on the chest anyhow bothered me in the begining, but not anymore...
I think it's sad that they've removed the yellow 'S' on the cape though!!! That bugs me a great deal. Singer said that the reason for that was because they wanted to focus on the 'S' on the chest...hmm...fair enough... than would he care to explain why the HELL he made an 'S' for a beltbuckle!!??? While many find it a bit cheasy I think it looks rather cool, and yet I find it a bit tacky.. I have mixed feelings about it. The boots, while many have the most LAME complaints about those, I find them cool and very stylish! I dont mind the fact that the neckline has been covered all the way up, although if it was lowered (like in the old Reeve suit) it might have given Routh a braughter shoulder look??... The material in which the suit has been made in, I absolutely LOVE!!! I love the structure of it! It looks very unique!

All in all I think the suit is very beautiful, and I believe it'll look even more so on the big screen! Routh looks great... everything will be...great!:)

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I like everything except I wish the reds were...well, redder or brighter. I also don't like the 's shield' texture in the actual 'S' shield now that I've noticed it. Oh, and the 'S' shield buckle is kinda weird, but I can live with it. I wish the actual 'S' symbol on his chest was larger and not nearly as '3D'.

I liked it the first time I saw it really, and I was among a lot of posters who did not. I would have preferred the classic suit at the time, but I've now come to realize the new suit is the way to go.

[Naite22]

^ we've been so focused on the old suit because that's what we've always seen in the movies.. It was beautiful for its time (and still is), but it looks too much of a pyjamas now at days.. It's tottally outdated.. I think it's so cool that they've managed to keep the new suit classic and yet updated it..

The only real complaint I would have, is the fact that they've completely removed the yellow 'S' on the cape, THAT BOTHERS ME A GREAT DEAL!

[The Fallen]

Here is a little article on the suits:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=sr-costume-compare

[Showtime]

My thoughts on the Reeves Suit have changed, I think it looks orangey and way to bright now. It's crazy how that happened.

[Saint]

No, my feelings haven't changed. The suit still has a fundamental proportional design problem (shield, collar, briefs, boots) that makes it look weak and deflated. I won't speak on the colours until I see how they look on the screen.

[KaptainKrypton]

No. Not at all. Still hate the stupid thing. Actually, scratch that. It has changed. I hate it even more now than when I first saw it.
Buggsy, when it comes to these questions you don't even need to say anything more than "read my sig, noob." It's like a bumper sticker of suit-hatred.:)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Who else finds it just friggin cool that we will see at least 2 different super suits?

[KaptainKrypton]

Who else finds it just friggin cool that we will see at least 2 different super suits?
I'm pretty pumped.

[Metropolis_Man]

My thoughts have changed, I thought the movie was going to be horrible in the beginning, and I disliked Routh and the suit very much. Now I've grown to realize that this is better for the movie. I'm with Showtime, when I go back and look at the reeve suit, it seems too bright.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Buggsy, when it comes to these questions you don't even need to say anything more than "read my sig, noob." It's like a bumper sticker of suit-hatred.:)

ROFL, I was thinking the same thing.

It would be funny if he posted something like, "OMG I LUV IT!!"

[KaptainKrypton]

I was definitely in the camp that thought the color scheme was too bland at first. After I'd seen some of the manipped corrections done by a few hypesters that fixed the saturation (don't know if that's right) problem, then I began to understand exactly what they were going for with the changes. After I saw the globe pic, I knew it would look amazing onscreen and that I'd finally got a glimpse of the finished product in it's real ambience. As for the rest of the design functions, I thought they were fine from the get go. I didn't want a repeat of the Donner suit because the craftsmanship was okay for its day, but that suit is nowhere near the quality of the new one (in my eyes). I've been used to seeing the suit interpreted differently by various artists over the years and I grew up watching Super Friends, the Salkind movies, and also the Fleischer toons, so the changes didn't piss me off like I know it did some others. I, for one, can't wait to see Superman take flight this summer.

[KaptainKrypton]

ROFL, I was thinking the same thing.

It would be funny if he posted something like, "OMG I LUV IT!!"
I would've appreciated that, too. I also would like to see a pic of him walking around town wearing a sandwich board that shows the first promo pic with a "buster" sign over it.

[Showtime]

Speaking of desaturation...what happened to KaKarot69? I think he went to Florida right?

[ToddIsDead]

And he was never heard from again...

[Thot]

I was pretty disappointed when I saw the first official photo. (still don't think it's a good one), but have gotten used to the look and like it better now that I've seen some much better shots. I still think Singer could have done a lot better, but I have a hunch it'll look decent in action. Looking forward to the movie!

[Whack Arnolds]

I have loved it since the first promo pic. To me, it is more interesting and a better concept than anything else done in the Superman movies...and it doesn't look like a set of children's pajamas from K-Mart or something.

[Showtime]

And he was never heard from again...

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Mentok]

Speaking of desaturation...what happened to KaKarot69? I think he went to Florida right?

Joined a Cult :down. I think they call themselves MARVEL Fans. ;)

[buggs0268]

Buggsy, when it comes to these questions you don't even need to say anything more than "read my sig, noob." It's like a bumper sticker of suit-hatred.:)
Thanks. Let me try that out.

You wanna know how I feel about the suit now. Read my Sig Noob!

[The Kid]

nope still think it looks bad and I hope it's better for the sequel.

[Man-E-Toys]

i absolutley hated the suit when i saw it. i based my judgement on the 1st promo pic as many others did. it was a bad desaturated pic so i really thought the red was brown and the blue was too bright.
now i love the suit. i think it's the best version yet whether you compare it to the comics, or the movies, etc.

[SuperDaniel]

I knew from the start that the first pic was very desaturated but my only problem with the suit still remains. I still hate the T-shirt collar. I think it asfixiates Routh and makes his neck look skinnier. But i`m sure it won`t look that bad on screen. I never had the problem with the small s, or the s on the belt or the briefs. I actually think it looks better than the original suit but i still hate the collar...

[Kane]

I didnt like it in the first promo pic but after seeing more of it I love it, its awesome.

It doesnt look like a halloween costume, whcih is what the reeve costume would have looked like today, it actually looks modern and pretty stylish.

It certainly makes him look more serious and believeable as opposed to him running around in pyjamas.

They were very smart with this suit.

[Kane]

I knew from the start that the first pic was very desaturated but my only problem with the suit still remains. I still hate the T-shirt collar. I think it asfixiates Routh and makes his neck look skinnier. But i`m sure it won`t look that bad on screen. I never had the problem with the small s, or the s on the belt or the briefs. I actually think it looks better than the original suit but i still hate the collar...

Honestly, Ill be the first to say this....but I really think the wide neck line looks way too effeminine. I always hated when it was overdone in the comics (esp with Ross). I dont mind the tighter neckline, it actually looks neater and more proper (silver age-like). Fits the style of the movie well.

[Nightwing1977]

I admit the first time I seen the costume, I was concern & wasn't sure if it was going to work. But seeing more & more new pics of it in action & seeing better clear view of the colors more, I love it. It's really grow on you after seeing more & more new pics of it. Pretty amazing it been almost a year since that first costume pic came out, huh? I know many hate the collar, but I think it a little better. Supes don't need to show off his massive collarbone with the open neckline. Either way is fine with me. And I got to agree with Showtime that Reeve's costume just doesn't work anymore with it being too colorful & cheap looking.

[TheSuperBatFan]

I admit I didn't read through most of the thread, and likely will after I post this, but decided to just go ahead and post this first.

I will admit upon first glance, the suit severely dissapointed me. It wasn't exactly how I wanted it, nor was it what I expected. Then, I let my shock subside and I looked at it again. And again, and again. Within an hour of seeing it, my dissapointment subsided. I started noticing how it had everything I had demanded of the costume. It may not have been exactly how I would have made those features, but they were there. The suit was blue. The cape and boots were red. The belt and S were there. Even the trunks, an item many had believed outdated and should have been left off, had been put onto the costume.

Now sure, the collar was different, and the belt was updated, and there were details on the boots that had never been there before, but considering how close we had come to Edward Superhands, mechanical and molded suits designed to sell toys, the "living suit" and all of that crap, these were such unbelievably minor changes. Within the first day of the suit picture's release, I already liked the suit.

Then, as more and more pictures surfaced over time, I started noticing references and inspiration in the suit. At it's core, I realized, the suit was very much a modern, updated version of George Reeves' costume. With every new picture, my love of the suit grew. I loved the patterns they had put on the suit as I realized how these patterns made the suit look alien in origin, an aspect that the suit has never before had. And now, honestly, it has become my favorite live action costume. I still love Reeve's costume, but it had it's time, especially when you consider how very 1970s that costume really is. Again, sure it isn't exactly what I and a lot of people had been expecting, but considering how many the needed to answer to on this, I'm glad they didn't attempt to try and please everyone, as the result would have pleased noone.

[dark_b]

Honestly, Ill be the first to say this....but I really think the wide neck line looks way too effeminine. I always hated when it was overdone in the comics (esp with Ross). I dont mind the tighter neckline, it actually looks neater and more proper (silver age-like). Fits the style of the movie well.thats my manip that you have in your avatar. it is schumacher hehehehehehehh e:)

[skruloos]

The first thing I thought when I saw the pic for the first time was, "Cool. It looks like a throwback to the Fleischer and George Reeves' costumes." After seeing blogs about the art deco design of much of Metropolis coupled with the costume designs chosen for the rest of the cast, I could see what Singer was going for and it clicked perfectly for me.

As many people might have read of my posting, I was not a huge fan of Reeve's costume. Sure it looked like the comics but I feel that it simply did not work in motion as it was. Reeve needed to make it work and that costume on any other person would have seemed ridiculous (my exact thoughts on the two Superboys who wore essentially the same costume). I always hated the neckline because it was a dead giveaway that it was a leotard and made it resemble a ballerina costume. I hated the boots and the material they were made of. I did not like the briefs. I did not like the color of red on it as it seemed too bright, even at the time. If I were to redo Reeve's costume with the exact same fabric, I would choose the Spider-man color scheme from Raimi's films. But that still would not have fixed the boots, the briefs, or the neckline.

Singer and Mingebach's design has addressed all those issues. And though they may have some issues that I don't like, they are small enough that I don't really care. And in all honesty, they are not as glaring as the problems I had with Reeve's outfit.

[Nivek]

My thoughts on the Reeves Suit have changed, I think it looks orangey and way to bright now. It's crazy how that happened.

Yeah, thats kind of how I feel. I look at the old costume from the previous films, and the red's come off as too bright.

And besides, in this film, the Blue in the costume seems to be more dominent, and the Darker Red seems to give him more of a solid look as well.

I was kinda "meh, it's alright" when I first seen it, but it has grown more when i see more of it in action. The footage is going to sell it more than the still pics, the show west footage proved that.

Of course, people will still throw hate at it, but screw 'em, we will see where they are after the film is released.

[DavidTyler]

Surprisingly, my opinions have changed a little. I don't mind the darker red ... as long as it doesn't appear brown onscreen. I don't mind the lower waisted trunks. The texture on the suit is interesting as is the lighter red interior of the cape.

I still don't like the belt buckle, the high necked collar and the way the cape attaches to it, and the 3D emblem still leaves me cold.

The most interesting change for me, though, is just like some other poster said... The Donner suit looks a little bright to me now.

I'm kind of wondering what it might have looked like on the Singer suit if they HAD opted to put a gold hued emblem on the cape. I'm thinking, with the darker red, it might have looked incredible.

[Milkman95]

The suit has definitely grown on me more, but I only had minor problems with it to begin with. I think the photo of him holding the Daily Planet globe sold me...........

[Shamik]

The first time I saw it in that promo pic, I hated it. I hated him, too. But WB was either really smart or really dumb in releasing that as their first pic. Really dumb...They put a bad taste in our mouths, right from the beginning, and fueled the naysayers. Really smart...they got our expectations to drop. Everything else has been increasingly good IMO. The small \S/ didn't work for me at first. Now, I actually agree with Singer. It fits the man. I've never had a problem with the collar or the boots. The color was okay, but I've grown to like it more, and now I couldn't see it being that bright reddish orange from STM. I like the boots and I've always liked the belt. The one thing that I can't get over is the hair. I hate that it's parted on the wrong side. It destroys the entire look for me. With all that said, I like Routh for the role now, and I think its all going to fit together very well.

[Venom71]

Liked the suit from the beginning and still think it is great!:supes:

[Nautica7mk]

I've never had a problem with the suit. So I'm pretty indifferent about it.

[rondroid]

i'm warming to the suit although i hated everything about it when i first saw it. Now i dont mind the darkish red or the deep blue and the modern texture of the suit, i think logically now the changes that were made are practical in terms of the suit looking right for the movie.
I still hate the cowboy boots though, why r they so short??? the cut off point makes BR look like a midget.

[rondroid]

I admit I didn't read through most of the thread, and likely will after I post this, but decided to just go ahead and post this first.

I will admit upon first glance, the suit severely dissapointed me. It wasn't exactly how I wanted it, nor was it what I expected. Then, I let my shock subside and I looked at it again. And again, and again. Within an hour of seeing it, my dissapointment subsided. I started noticing how it had everything I had demanded of the costume. It may not have been exactly how I would have made those features, but they were there. The suit was blue. The cape and boots were red. The belt and S were there. Even the trunks, an item many had believed outdated and should have been left off, had been put onto the costume.

Now sure, the collar was different, and the belt was updated, and there were details on the boots that had never been there before, but considering how close we had come to Edward Superhands, mechanical and molded suits designed to sell toys, the "living suit" and all of that crap, these were such unbelievably minor changes. Within the first day of the suit picture's release, I already liked the suit.

Then, as more and more pictures surfaced over time, I started noticing references and inspiration in the suit. At it's core, I realized, the suit was very much a modern, updated version of George Reeves' costume. With every new picture, my love of the suit grew. I loved the patterns they had put on the suit as I realized how these patterns made the suit look alien in origin, an aspect that the suit has never before had. And now, honestly, it has become my favorite live action costume. I still love Reeve's costume, but it had it's time, especially when you consider how very 1970s that costume really is. Again, sure it isn't exactly what I and a lot of people had been expecting, but considering how many the needed to answer to on this, I'm glad they didn't attempt to try and please everyone, as the result would have pleased noone.
great post dude:up:

[Immortalfire]

Nope. His "red" still looks like a blend of brown and purple.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'm not disscussing this again..

it took us months to get to where we are..we had a suit thread,it ruined the hype,to many people covering the same arguments got us nowhere.

:down

[dark_b]

i agree with mr. murphy. it was all said. and if you want you can read all pages in the ''debate the suit thread''. if you have the time hehehehehehe

[Mr. Thing]

Yes. At first I thought it couldn't have been better. It was fantastic but now I think it could have been a lot better. But I'm still happy with it.

[dark_b]

i didnt like the S on the belt. that was before i saw that there are everywhere S's. now it makes sense.

[Kane]

thats my manip that you have in your avatar. it is schumacher hehehehehehehh e:)

Yes he needed to die.

At least the Superman suit for the movie doesnt have nipples.....thank goodness.

[X Knight]

Wow, thank you all for all of your opinions. And thanks for the polite and intelligent posts (on both sides).

When I started this thread, I did not expect it to generate so much response.

But hey, my first 2 page thread!!!! lol

[KaptainKrypton]

Nope. His "red" still looks like a blend of brown and purple.
A mix of brown and purple. Do you mean burple?:)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Wow, thank you all for all of your opinions. And thanks for the polite and intelligent posts (on both sides).

When I started this thread, I did not expect it to generate so much response.

But hey, my first 2 page thread!!!! lol



wait to you hit as many as the caption thread..

:D

[dark_b]

i think it is a mix between red and purple and than it is a little saturated. and teh colour looks fantastic.
i like that the red is darker than the blue. spidey has teh blue darker than the red. IMO SR wins.

[Alonsovich]

A mix of brown and purple. Do you mean burple?:)

Actually he means Browple...:o

[Cinemaman]

When I saw first pic of Routh as uperman, I thought the suit is ok, not bad.

But now I think it looks even better than Reeve's suit.

[lujho]

No, my feelings haven't changed. The suit still has a fundamental proportional design problem (shield, collar, briefs, boots) that makes it look weak and deflated. I won't speak on the colours until I see how they look on the screen.

My thoughts as well. Everything's there, but the proportions and shapes chosen are ones that do not "maximise" the look of the suit. It's purely an issue of aesthetics/design/compostion.

Honestly though, just give it a neckline/cape-attachment style in the way that Frank Quitely's drawing in All Star supes and I'd forgive the low belt, inaccurate boot tops and too dark red. The neckline/cape is the biggest aesthetic mistake.

As to the question of the thread, I guess my thoughts have changed slightly - I've gotten used to it, and I guess I like it a little better, but I still think it's "okay".

[NateGray]

Still not liking the suit BR has grown on me and I can really see him as Superman but well I will just have to wait and see if once I have seen the movie I think any better of the suit.
I am hoping the movie knocks my socks of and I leave without a thought of the suit becauise everything else was that damn good or the suit looks better on the big screen.

[Yellow Cyclone]

i still dont think its anything amazing

i love the 3d \S/ as its a nice modern take (ala spidey), and the textures of the suit/cape look great as well

however, i think the high collar/cape attachment makes routh look more like an olympic swimmer than superman...if it were an open neck i don't think the shield would look so tiny...all the S's on the shield/boots/belt are reduntant as hell though...the trunks are ok, could be longer and less "man-pantyish"

my biggest complaint though; FREAKING SEAMS......advanced intergalactic civilization or not, they had to have tailors

[Metropolis_Man]

I aslo like the material this suit is made from this time. I'm looking forward to them explaining why its of Krytptonian technology. I always like that better than Ma Kent making the suit in the kitchen. What other way could you explain that it doesn't get tattered and torn in battles?

[GarudA]

No, I still do not like the suit at all, it would of been better if they had not made the S so damm small.

[SuperNewGuy]

I had a negative first impression mainly because of the horrid first picture that came out, bad lighting, bad angle, bad pose, even his face looked different somehow than all the rest of the pics. It's beyond me why they'd want to release that pic at all, let alone have it be the FIRST promo pic. After seeing more pics it looked better to me, even looks pretty good in some pics. One thing I can't get over though is that T-shirt neckline, I just don't get it..........WHY??? I also think the combination of the neckline, small \S/, and small trunks make Superman look smaller and "wussier" overall; I'm sure there'd be less complaints about Routh's frame if not for these design choices. Other than the minor suit things though I'm sure it'll be a great movie, can't wait!

[dark_b]

No, I still do not like the suit at all, it would of been better if they had not made the S so damm small.it is smaller. but it is not very smaller than the one that reeve had. if you have nothing better to say than say nothing.

fact is that you wrote this post just to bash the suit or you are not smart enough to realize that the shield is not ''so damn small''.:o

[Nathan]

Never hated the suit. I actually don't understand why so many people were whining about it at all.

[Nightwing1977]

You wanna know how I feel about the suit now. Read my Sig Noob!

LMAO! You're calling KaptainKrypton a Noob? Last I check, he's registered around Jun 2002, while you signed up around Feb. 2005. Which mean you're the Noob instead compare to him. I find it damn funny some Noob calling other Noob when the Noob themself hasn't been around as long like the one they call them Noob.

*snorts*

[Metropolis_Man]

LMAO! You're calling KaptainKrypton a Noob? Last I check, he's registered around Jun 2002, while you signed up around Feb. 2005. Which mean you're the Noob instead compare to him. I find it damn funny some Noob calling other Noob when the Noob themself hasn't been around as long like the one they call them Noob.

*snorts*

Haha, what a day. And check it out, I'm even more of a Noob than both of them. Oh well, the damage is done I guess.

[Metropolis_Man]

it is smaller. but it is not very smaller than the one that reeve had. if you have nothing better to say than say nothing.

fact is that you wrote this post just to bash the suit or you are not smart enough to realize that the shield is not ''so damn small''.:o

Yeah, it really is not that small. Its like someone said before, in ways the big S kind of looks like a billboard and takes up too much space on the suit. I like it better this way.

[CGHulk]

My thoughts have changed! I've come to the point where all of the changes have retained the look of Superman, but there are two things that still bother me, the neckline is cut way to high and the briefs are cut way to low, the briefs are kinda girly how they fit over the thighs! The Latter really bothers me! The neckline looks better when it's more like Reeve's and Caine's, but that just my opinion.

[skruloos]

My thoughts have changed, I've come to accept all the changes as long as they remained to look like Superman, all of the changes have! Except that the cut of the briefs look like a girl cut!
You edit your posts a lot. After having read how they first appear and then you changing it, it seems that you post first very emotionally, and then you reword it to try to seem more rational. It's great comedy.

[CGHulk]

You welcome! :D

[SuperNewGuy]

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[SuperDaniel]

I really don`t like the grandpa briefs of all the previous suits. I really don`t understand how people complain about the briefs being too low. The neckline is the only problem with suit, in my opinion. It looks its asfixiating Routh, it makes the cape attachment look bad and it makes Routh neck looks skinny when it is not.

[lujho]

I really don`t like the grandpa briefs of all the previous suits. I really don`t understand how people complain about the briefs being too low.

Just because the other briefs may have been too high, doesn't mean the new ones are not too low.

The low belt just looks fundamentally "off" - wrong.

[SuperDaniel]

I don`t think so. I like the new briefs and belt much better than the current version in the comics. Its modern and it looks more alien.

[KaptainKrypton]

LMAO! You're calling KaptainKrypton a Noob? Last I check, he's registered around Jun 2002, while you signed up around Feb. 2005. Which mean you're the Noob instead compare to him. I find it damn funny some Noob calling other Noob when the Noob themself hasn't been around as long like the one they call them Noob.

*snorts*
It's cool, Nightwing, buggs was just kidding around.


...and the kingdom rejoiced.:)

[Metropolis_Man]

I really don`t like the grandpa briefs of all the previous suits. I really don`t understand how people complain about the briefs being too low. The neckline is the only problem with suit, in my opinion. It looks its asfixiating Routh, it makes the cape attachment look bad and it makes Routh neck looks skinny when it is not.

Yeah, i think the lowered trunk like looks better as well. Yet another modern touch to it.

[Michael Corleone]

I'd have to say that it's growing on me. There were things that I didnt like but I basically just added it up to my own fanboy reactions. Best part about it though is I'm not really worried about it anymore. All I see is Superman.

[The Kid]

I don`t think so. I like the new briefs and belt much better than the current version in the comics. Its modern and it looks more alien.

Wait wouldn't it look less modern if it were alien? :confused: It'd look foreign wouldn't it?

[Metropolis_Man]

Yeah now I'm just seeing it as Superman again finally, and excited that a new movie is coming out.

[TwilightPro101]

Nope, I've been digging it since we first saw it.

[Metropolis_Man]

Nope, I've been digging it since we first saw it.

Nice. :up: I wish I could say the same. I really like it a lot now though. Just took some time for me. :)

[CGHulk]

In Sandy Corolla's own words!
"Superman's costume is already designed, it just needs to be translated into a different medium, from the page, to the screen. Nothing needs to be "updated", changed, or re-designed. Granted, little things have to be figured out and modified to make the costume work physically on film, but you don't need to change it that drastically. The original film, not to mention, my little promo proved that for sure."
http://popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=942

[skruloos]

In Sandy Corolla's own words!
"Superman's costume is already designed, it just needs to be translated into a different medium, from the page, to the screen. Nothing needs to be "updated", changed, or re-designed. Granted, little things have to be figured out and modified to make the costume work physically on film, but you don't need to change it that drastically. The original film, not to mention, my little promo proved that for sure."
That just makes me laugh. His litte promo proved the exact opposite to me. It showed me further how it could not work on the big screen. Oh poor deluded Sandy.

[lujho]

That just makes me laugh. His litte promo proved the exact opposite to me. It showed me further how it could not work on the big screen. Oh poor deluded Sandy.

But his Superman looked silly becuase of the actor and the same cheapo materials the suit was made of. Being faithful to the comics had little to do with it, other than the fact it used an S shield that was towards the bigger end of the spectrum of what we see in the comics, and a collar/cape that was toward the low end, and just not all that well designed.

If you based a suit on someone else's comic version, like say, Jim Lee's or Stuart Immonen's or Michael Turner's or some elements of Frank Quitely's... rather than Alex Ross it'd look great.

Sandy is right that you don't have to change the design drastically from the comic... but he's wrong that his film proved that. There are better versions to model after than Alex Ross'.

[dark_b]

drastically?
we all know that singer didnt do that. he just used pieces fro mdifferent costumes. so basicly he did use everythign from the comics. just because he didnt use teh suit that is NOW that doesnt mean that he changed it drasticly.

[lujho]

drastically?
we all know that singer didnt do that. he just used pieces fro mdifferent costumes. so basicly he did use everythign from the comics. just because he didnt use teh suit that is NOW that doesnt mean that he changed it drasticly.

See, people like to point out where various elements of the suit come from on previous versions of Superman, as if that proves anything.

Firstly, a lot of the inspriration comes from the George Reeve's suit. How does that make it faithful to the comics when that suit in itself wasn't entirely faithful? How does that prove it actually looks good? Borrowing elements from *sucky* versions of the suit makes it faithful to a sucky version, not the comics... I mean, George Reeve's cape/collar looked crap then, just like Brandon's does now - the fact that it's appeared somewhere before proves nothing, except that someone made the same mistake twice.

Yeah, the Fleischer cartoons had a darker red than is usual... but that doesn't neccessarily prove that Brandon's isn't too dark, it just proves that it's been done before - and in a minority of cases.

Batman once had little purple gloves in the comic - thus, having little purple gloves in a film would be faithful to the comic, would it not? But would that automatically mean it looked really great, as great as it could have? No, because after quite a short time (a few months), the creators of Batman realised that that didn't look as great as it could, and the design of the gloves evolved - to a point where it has remained essentially unchanged.

Faithful to the comics really means being faithful to the way it has looked most of the time, with perhaps a bias towards more current versions. Not the odd anomolous times or early developmental stages where the suit had elements that were significantly different from the norm. Now there's still a lot of room for interpretation within the parameters of "how it's looked most of the time", but the Returns suit goes out of those confines.

Simply pointing out that the things that have been done to the suit have been done before... does nothing to prove that aesthetically, it looks as good as it could have. And it doesn't.

I wouldn't say that the Returns suit as a whole is *drastically* different from the comics, but element by element, some parts are changed significantly, and not for the better. And on the other hand, I believe some of these changes ARE for the better - things that if the early artists had thought of it they'd probably have adopted. Other changes are not inherently better OR worse, but simply changed from the traditional look for no good reason.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Really people,The suit although different is just the next generation of Supersuit.At some point it had to be updated.. but when you look at the costume there isn't much of a change at all..


making a 3d \S/ has done what to the costume? made it less superman? not at all..you have seen worlds finest..a faithfull costume looks awfull on screen..just like Batman before it the suit needed to be modernised..would you have prefured a costume that shows superman inner working of his body?

[dark_b]

See, people like to point out where various elements of the suit come from on previous versions of Superman, as if that proves anything.

Firstly, a lot of the inspriration comes from the George Reeve's suit. How does that make it faithful to the comics when that suit in itself wasn't entirely faithful? How does that prove it actually looks good? Borrowing elements from *sucky* versions of the suit makes it faithful to a sucky version, not the comics... I mean, George Reeve's cape/collar looked crap then, just like Brandon's does now - the fact that it's appeared somewhere before proves nothing, except that someone made the same mistake twice.

Yeah, the Fleischer cartoons had a darker red than is usual... but that doesn't neccessarily prove that Brandon's isn't too dark, it just proves that it's been done before - and in a minority of cases.

Batman once had little purple gloves in the comic - thus, having little purple gloves in a film would be faithful to the comic, would it not? But would that automatically mean it looked really great, as great as it could have? No, because after quite a short time (a few months), the creators of Batman realised that that didn't look as great as it could, and the design of the gloves evolved - to a point where it has remained essentially unchanged.

Faithful to the comics really means being faithful to the way it has looked most of the time, with perhaps a bias towards more current versions. Not the odd anomolous times or early developmental stages where the suit had elements that were significantly different from the norm. Now there's still a lot of room for interpretation within the parameters of "how it's looked most of the time", but the Returns suit goes out of those confines.

Simply pointing out that the things that have been done to the suit have been done before... does nothing to prove that aesthetically, it looks as good as it could have. And it doesn't.

I wouldn't say that the Returns suit as a whole is *drastically* different from the comics, but element by element, some parts are changed significantly, and not for the better. And on the other hand, I believe some of these changes ARE for the better - things that if the early artists had thought of it they'd probably have adopted. Other changes are not inherently better OR worse, but simply changed from the traditional look for no good reason.i will not argue. because you have a point.

but still a lot of the parts of the suit was in the comics. plus the george reves suit plus the fleicher and you have the SR suit.

[lujho]

Really people,The suit although different is just the next generation of Supersuit.At some point it had to be updated.. but when you look at the costume there isn't much of a change at all..


making a 3d \S/ has done what to the costume? made it less superman? not at all..you have seen worlds finest..a faithfull costume looks awfull on screen..just like Batman before it the suit needed to be modernised..would you have prefured a costume that shows superman inner working of his body?

But the 3D S isn't a change from the comic - it's just an embellishment, a logical extrapolation. It looks great, it doesn't hurt the costume. It makes perfect sense.

The neckline and cape, however, just look crap. Not an improvement over the comics - no-one's going to start drawing it that way - if it looked obviously better than what people are drawing now, they would, but it doesn't.

People might say that Reeve's collar was too low/big, that his boots were too high - and I'd agree completely - but they can be higher and lower respectively and still be much more faithful to the comics than Routh's suit is and look much better than both Reeve AND Routh's suit.

"You have seen worlds finest..a faithfull costume looks awfull on screen"? Absolute ****ing nonsense - a faithfull costume CAN look awfull, and it CAN look great. That goes for ANY superhero with an inherently great design.

This whole issue is NOT about the suit not looking just like Reeve's - it's about not combining the absolute BEST versions of the traditional/classic designs seen in the comics.

Show me a 20 year run of comics where the suit looked just like Brandon's because it had organically evolved into the best looking design, and I'll take it all back. Pointing piecemeal to where some elements, on the odd occasion, on various suits from here and there, looked like what is on the Returns suit... doesn't cut it. It's still Superman, but it's not the absolute best Superman can look, not even close, and that's what Superman deserves.

[DavidTyler]

Lujho, I won't copy your post to here but I just wanted to say 'great post' and you raise a lot of the arguments that I've always had.

The version of the suit that I was hoping to see was the comics version that has been virtually unchanged since the late 50's straight through to today.

I would call that the classic costume as it's stood the test of time. Anything prior was the costume in development.

[lujho]

i will not argue. because you have a point.

but still a lot of the parts of the suit was in the comics. plus the george reves suit plus the fleicher and you have the SR suit.

Which unfortunately equals "passable", "servicable", "okay"... not "great".

Seriously, why are people so happy te embrace "mediocre"? As if all a good Superman suit requires is a checklist of elements that are there, regardless of how it's put together? This is about visual design, not whether something simply has elemets a, b, and c... is it just a divide, as I've speculated before regarding the Batman costume, between visually oriented people and people who aren't?

[DavidTyler]

Interesting. I see that there are at least two of us who post while we're getting ready for work in the morning.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Ok then let me rephrase a little..

when you look at the costume do you think "hey look superman?"

Its superman..in an updated version costume for the time.

better materials.

[Venom71]

Ok then let me rephrase a little..

when you look at the costume do you think "hey look superman?"

Its superman..in an updated version costume for the time.

better materials.
Yes I Do :supes:

[TheFalcon]

I was a little disappointed with the suit when I first saw it, but now that I'm used to it I'm starting to like it a bit. I don't have a problem with the smaller and raised S. The only thing I would change is make the red a bit brighter, but it may look brighter in the film if they're adding some sort of color filter in post production.

[Metropolis_Man]

Ok then let me rephrase a little..

when you look at the costume do you think "hey look superman?"

Its superman..in an updated version costume for the time.

better materials.

Yep, looks like Superman to me. Red Cape, Blue Suit, Red trunks, yellow belt, red boots, and the superman sheild. Thats pretty much what I've known Superman to be. At least this isn't tim burtons supes for those of you complaining, which would've been batmans costume with a superman symbol.

[lujho]

Ok then let me rephrase a little..

when you look at the costume do you think "hey look superman?"


Every* drawing of Superman, sculpture, painting or live-action costume is Superman. Does that mean they all look equally great?

Every* car has 4 wheels, two headlights, windshield, etc. They're all cars, do they all look equally beautiful?

Every* woman has two arms, two legs, two eyes, two of... other parts. They're all women, but are all equally pleasing to the eye?

It's not a question of whether it's Superman. It is Superman... and I guess that's enough for some people. It's a question of whether it's as good a Superman as can be. It's Superman, but it's not Superman.

What's so hard to understand about the concept of aesthetic visual design - designs that are the way they are because they look good? Not all designs are equal, not all are classic. Minor variations can harm the whole appearance.

* you know what I mean - please don't point out examples of one-legged women, 3 wheeled cars or very unorthodox Superman designs.

[lujho]

Yep, looks like Superman to me. Red Cape, Blue Suit, Red trunks, yellow belt, red boots, and the superman sheild. Thats pretty much what I've known Superman to be. At least this isn't tim burtons supes for those of you complaining, which would've been batmans costume with a superman symbol.

See, this is the perfect example of 2 things:

1) The "checklist mentality" I mentioned above - basically "well, it has all these elements, therefore it must be perfect".

2) The "Could have been a lot worse" mentality - "Gee, at least it's not pink and green with orange stripes - it's not that bad, therefore, it must be totally fine".

Some people just seem to have the bar set low (at the level of "okay") and be happy with that. Or they simply don't appreciate the subtleties of graphic/character design.

I'm just SICK of merely "okay", or "well, it's got all the right bits" or "it's nowhere near as bad as it could have been". Where's the aspiration in that? Where would we be if everyone thought that way?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

could it be your over reacting just a little?

but i get your point,every person has there own idea..or favourite version of the Costume,Me personally i like the new look.. but i hope the neck attachment is adjusted for the sequel.

[Metropolis_Man]

See, this is the perfect example of 2 things:

1) The "checklist mentality" I mentioned above - basically "well, it has all these elements, therefore it must be perfect".

2) The "Could have been a lot worse" mentality - "Gee, at least it's not pink and green with orange stripes - it's not that bad, therefore, it must be totally fine".

Some people just seem to have the bar set low (at the level of "okay") and be happy with that. Or they simply don't appreciate the subtleties of graphic/character design.

I'm just SICK of merely "okay", or "well, it's got all the right bits" or "it's nowhere near as bad as it could have been". Where's the aspiration in that? Where would we be if everyone thought that way?

And some people can't be happy with anything new. I'm not going to get my life tangled up in worrying about what Supermans costume looks like in the movie. It looks like the Superman costume to me and I feel it needed to be updated for this film and I believe it looks really good. Just because you're opinion isn't the same as mine doesn't mean its right bud. Mine isn't necessarily right either, thats why its called an opinion. You can't say I have some sort of "checklist mentatlity" when I sincerely enjoy the way the costume looks. And anyways, its only a movie man, lighten up :) :up:

[dark_b]

could it be your over reacting just a little?

but i get your point,every person has there own idea..or favourite version of the Costume,Me personally i like the new look.. but i hope the neck attachment is adjusted for the sequel.when i see the sequel i want to see this. lets face it. routh has not such a skinny neck. the suit makes the skinny.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/loisclark/costumefade.jpg

[Nivek]

Im getting flashbacks of the whole Batman Begins cape clasp arguments from that board last year reading this stuff about Rouths Cape and Collar. And you know what guys? The same exact damn thing is going to happen.

When the film is released, NO ONES GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO PETTY DETAILS LIKE THAT!!!

It will be an after thought, like "Oh yeah, I guess I forgot about that. Guess it didn't really effect the movie or the story after all". Uh-huh, no kidding... :rolleyes:

This just comes from gawking at still photo's for too damn long. please, WB, show some more footage or release the trailer VERY SOON so we can get past this nit picking about the costume already!

[mjbull23]

I'm still not very taken with the suit, it's all the little askew details, that when taken in as a whole, just leave me with an odd impression of it. Im so used to the lower neckline, higher boots, brighter hues, and larger shield emblem, that it's very difficult to look at this suit and not notice that it's "off" the mark. Interestingly enough, The Batman Begins Suit, was just as radical of a departure from the traditional Batman Costumes but it didn't bother me in the same way that these alterations do.

[SuperDaniel]

Lujho is overreactinga little. The only visual flaw of the costume is the neckline/cape attachment. They just have to low it a little and maybe they`ll do it in the sequel. And its not that bad. When i see Routh in the costume, I see Superman and I think the costume is better than the one we see in the comics. Yes, i said it.

[Yellow Cyclone]

See, this is the perfect example of 2 things:

1) The "checklist mentality" I mentioned above - basically "well, it has all these elements, therefore it must be perfect".

2) The "Could have been a lot worse" mentality - "Gee, at least it's not pink and green with orange stripes - it's not that bad, therefore, it must be totally fine".

Some people just seem to have the bar set low (at the level of "okay") and be happy with that. Or they simply don't appreciate the subtleties of graphic/character design.

I'm just SICK of merely "okay", or "well, it's got all the right bits" or "it's nowhere near as bad as it could have been". Where's the aspiration in that? Where would we be if everyone thought that way?




yesssssss! took, words, my mouth, etc...:up: :up: :up:

[The Game]

The suit still does nothing for me after all this time and I doubt the actual movie will chaneg that, but I just tolerate it because well....................thats the way it is.

[KaptainKrypton]

I just like the suit because I think it looks cool.

Seriously, though. I did have some concerns about the color, but like I've stated before the color seen in the desaturated promo pic was not very indicative of what we'd end up seeing later on down the line. I'm willing to bet ten dollars that if the globe pic was released first, then there would've been a drastically different tone from the get go about what Supes' was to be wearing.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I just like the suit because I think it looks cool.

Seriously, though. I did have some concerns about the color, but like I've stated before the color seen in the desaturated promo pic was not very indicative of what we'd end up seeing later on down the line. I'm willing to bet ten dollars that if the globe pic was released first, then there would've been a drastically different tone from the get go about what Supes' was to be wearing.



exactly what showtime,metropolis man and myself said.


:up:

[Showtime]

exactly what showtime,metropolis man and myself said.


:up:

:ghost: :up:

[DavidTyler]

Honestly the Begins costume still bothers me. The script was so good that I overlooked it.

Do like the Begins utility belt, though. Not that I want the comix to adopt it. I like the pouch belt they're using in the comix much better.

[Nivek]

Honestly the Begins costume still bothers me. The script was so good that I overlooked it.

Do like the Begins utility belt, though. Not that I want the comix to adopt it. I like the pouch belt they're using in the comix much better.



I still didn't like the rubber suit or the idea of Batman having to wear head to toe body armor, but in the context of the movie, I was too enveloped with the story to spend time dwelling on Petty Details. And besides, the cape had the suit covered throughout the movie, and the suit didn't hinder Bales movements that much. The uniform color of the suit annoyed me, but I hope Nolan does change aspects of the costume (like that) in the next film

The Superman costume was pretty damn close to what I wanted, especially because it didn't resort to obvious sculpted muscles everywhere, and the colors are dead on. I see now how the darker Red actually helps frame the suit better, and I dig the 3D S. Never could understand the people saying it's too small, but hey, lets not open that little chest nut again, shall we...

[SUPERSEBAS]

No, my feelings haven't changed. The suit still has a fundamental proportional design problem (shield, collar, briefs, boots) that makes it look weak and deflated. I won't speak on the colours until I see how they look on the screen.

I am agree a 100 % with you, the big problem with the costume, is that the proportions dont go with the proportions of the Brandon`s body and made look Routh WEAK!!!

There are only 2 points that are fundamental to change, the proportions of the costume and the hairlook, The air look that they give to Reeve is the best made yet, so I would like to give Routh a black hair and the reeve hairlook.

this two point would give Brandon a true superman look:supes:

[SUPERSEBAS]

And one more thing, Singer says that the colors are darker because the original colors look unnatural for a real costume of a superhero and a little childish, but the S on the belt made look the costume very childish and take of the sobriety to the suit!! Singer have some contradictory concepts!

[Alpha and Omega]

At first, I didn't like it. I was adamantly against it like a lot of people were, but it just didn't fit what I had expected, esp. the belt. It's grown on me though, and when I go see the film, I doubt I'll even pay attention to the change.

[Galactical]

Not much change here. The color seems better but the neckline needs adjusting for the next film and the belt could be raised about an inch or so. Lose the s buckle too. Looks tacky.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It just looks like the Superman suit to me, but if people want to be nit picky...

[Galactical]

There are some who refuse anything less than excellence.

[Showtime]

And one more thing, Singer says that the colors are darker because the original colors look unnatural for a real costume of a superhero and a little childish, but the S on the belt made look the costume very childish and take of the sobriety to the suit!! Singer have some contradictory concepts!

Even though one rendition of the suit has the S logo on the belt?

[Galactical]

Whatever happened to the poster who did all these comics like this one here:

http://superfever.kal-el.org/comic/037_suit4-75.jpg

http://superfever.kal-el.org/comic/059_suit7-75.jpg

[SuperDaniel]

The collar is defnitely the only flaw with the costume. It needs to be lowered a little, that all.

[SuperDaniel]

Whatever happened to the poster who did all these comics like this one here:

http://superfever.kal-el.org/comic/037_suit4-75.jpg
hahahhaahaha

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Did Singer actually say "childish"? I know he felt that the older costume was "dated", but all in all, the new Superman costume has the main 7 attributes that a costume should have (if one goes by the supermanhomepage (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=sr-costume-compare) suit analysis).

I think he basically took the best or his favorite aspects of the costumes throughout the years and whatever would fit in with the particular style of the entire film.

[Galactical]

The collar is defnitely the only flaw with the costume. It needs to be lowered a little, that all.

Well yeah I see what you mean.

Superman's collar is unique to him and has been unchanged for near 7 decades... and also is one of his most recognizable though subtle features.

I don't know why it was changed. The S shield is understandable. BS just wanted to Pimp it up a little so it catches the light more. Bling bling. The neckline gives the illusion that it shrinks though. Hopefully something is done about it for the sequel. If not, then whatever.

[DavidTyler]

I'm in agreement with Supersebas on the buckle. I think it looks tacky.

I'd like to see Singer alter the suit for the next movie but if he only makes one change.. the buckle. Lose the \S/ on it and put it back on the cape were it would look a whole lot better.

[Venom71]

I'm in agreement with Supersebas on the buckle. I think it looks tacky.

I'd like to see Singer alter the suit for the next movie but if he only makes one change.. the buckle. Lose the \S/ on it and put it back on the cape were it would look a whole lot better.
Or changing nothing on the suit in the sequel would be alright also :D

[explode7]

Nah change is good and SR need some if there were to be a sequel.

[Kane]

There IS a sequel planned, but I really dont see the suit changing...realistically.

He may get another secondary suit though, like the gray one....maybe in black, who knows.

[SuperNewGuy]

Lower neckline, bigger \S/, and higher belt would be great. Losing the belt buckle would be nice too. Maybe there's enough complaining that Singer will do it for the next one, but if not I can live with it.

[Kirby&Ditko]

The neck line is to high and the cape looks like a towel tucked into a t-shirt. I wish they had gone with the comic look where the top of the S-shield is the neck line, and the cape goes over the shoulders and tucks into the shield. The trunks are still to small.

[KaptainKrypton]

I think that they should take a fresh approach for the 21st century and do something much more along the lines of The Matrix...or even Batman. It would be cool...and by cool I mean totally sweet.:up:
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=60&pos=40
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=60&pos=39

[Kane]

I hope youre joking!

[DavidTyler]

Or changing nothing on the suit in the sequel would be alright also :D

With you that would be alright.

With me ... I'd like to see at least the buckle changed.

Let's not forget that we're talking opinions here, OK?

[Showtime]

My biggest complaints at the beginning were the buckle, and no \S/ logo on the cape, as I have said many times before.

Once I did some research and found that Singer has actually gone back and added elements from different incarnations of Superman, thus arriving at the logo on the belt, I embraced and now love that element.

I know that there are numerous representations of Superman without the logo on the cape, but I would have liked to see an update of that logo on the back of the cape when I first saw some of the photos. Now I think it looks fine without it.

[Milkman95]

I'm sure Singer will make some modifications to the suit since more than likely Brandon won't fit in the one's made for SR by the time the sequel goes into production.

My bet is the neckline will be widened, but that's probably it.........

[Showtime]

I think that will probably be one of the so called major changes. It will probably be more subtle changes to the suit like with Spiderman. Unless the story calls for a different suit, such as a Kingdom Come type storyline.

[gdw]

The neck line is to high and the cape looks like a towel tucked into a t-shirt. I wish they had gone with the comic look where the top of the S-shield is the neck line, and the cape goes over the shoulders and tucks into the shield. The trunks are still to small.


Um . . . what comics are you reading?

The cape does not tuck intothe shield and the shield and neck line are not at the same spot.

As for changes, I know that they will NOT make the \S/ bigger, or put the \S/ on the cape. Of those two I only want the \S/ on the cape though. The shield size is fine for me as is now, having seen it better.

The BIG thing that I want to see fixed, not changed, FIXED is the neck line. Just look at the got milk add, it shows how flimsy the cape looks attached to the tight neckline. There's almost no room for it in there and it just looks weak, both the cape in it and the neck line itself.

I can live with the buckle, but would prefer just a solid diamond rather then one with the S in it. Especially if it's the belt or the cape. I know why they say they do not have it on there, saying it would be a pain to animate (tell that to the people who did the carpet in Alladin, way more to it in design then having the \S/ on a red sheet) and saying that it is just not recognizable when in motion.

Well it was recognizable in the old ones, and in Lois and Clark. Also, doing the \S/ as a reverse of the one on the frong, that is with the red in the negative spaces would help deffine it, and the recognition factor is null and void any ways simply because it is too recognizable already. Everyone will recognize that cape, especially if they see it in a movie about Superman, lol.

But as I said, I doubt that will change.

The only thing that I REALLY want to see change is the neck line. It is also the only thing that i think may be changed as the rest are things that they have already become hard set on with their own "justifications."

[Kabuki_Jo]

It's not the duit, I'm worried about.
It's fine, really.
It's the movie plot I don't particularly like.

[lujho]

You know, to fix the neckline, it doesn't even have to be widened/lowered all that much.

Just the way the cape frames it needes to change. A lot of modern Superman artists have pretty close necklines... but they still have that horizontal line formed at the top of the chest by the cape, and the cape covers the shoulders more rather than hanging merely from his neck.

How kick-arse would this style cape look on Brandon? It's not exactly 100% traditional, but it's more traditional than BRandon's and it just LOOKS way better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/04.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/06.jpg

As for the \S/, I think the shield would look slightly better if it was the same width but stretched slightly taller - that way it'd be bigger and fill more of the chest, but not cause the troubles of folding up when he crosses his arms etc.

[musclesforsupes]

I still think that moron at comic con should have asked Singer about the suit after doing some of his homework, I hated how that guy asked him about it. That is why he was owned.

[The Kid]

That whole thing was ownage to the max. I knew singer was going to bring out his "well the suit changed in teh comix lol" (lol no, some artists just drew it wrong.) stick and bash it on his head.

I know it's off topic but why the frell is Lois flying with superman in that comic?

[Fatboy Roberts]

All Star Superman. Read it. Live it. Know it.

Okay, maybe not live it. but it's some prime Morrison/Quitely loveliness.

[ToddIsDead]

All Star Superman. Read it. Live it. Know it.

Okay, maybe not live it. but it's some prime Morrison/Quitely loveliness.
Everyone should be buying it :up:

[Naite22]

Whatever my feelings about the suit may be (I like it more everyday that passes!) I can only say one thing. Routh wears it well!!!

[mcflytrap]

I was never really crazy about the suit...I've seen manips here that are far better than the version we're getting.....but I don't hate the suit, either. As long as the story and acting are good....and we get the booming Williams theme, I will splooge all over my boxers when I finally see it.

[Oldguy]

All Star Superman. Read it. Live it. Know it.

Okay, maybe not live it. but it's some prime Morrison/Quitely loveliness.

Indeed, it's shaping up (so far) to be finest depiction of the character in years.

[Oldguy]

You know, to fix the neckline, it doesn't even have to be widened/lowered all that much.

Just the way the cape frames it needes to change. A lot of modern Superman artists have pretty close necklines... but they still have that horizontal line formed at the top of the chest by the cape, and the cape covers the shoulders more rather than hanging merely from his neck.

How kick-arse would this style cape look on Brandon? It's not exactly 100% traditional, but it's more traditional than BRandon's and it just LOOKS way better.

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As for the \S/, I think the shield would look slightly better if it was the same width but stretched slightly taller - that way it'd be bigger and fill more of the chest, but not cause the troubles of folding up when he crosses his arms etc.

Mediocrity plagues this production. From Donner hommage, suit design, lead's appearance. Your example of how to improve costume design is just another glaring indication.

Thank Rao for digital effects and the William's theme, the movie wont be a total waste.

[Captain Villa]

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Why is Lois , super powered ?

[Fatboy Roberts]

you NEEDED to quote the whole pic for the third time to ask that one-line question? C'mon now :)

wikipedia All-Star Superman. It's a really cool sort of "ultimate" take on the Superman mythos, sort of aping silver-age Superman stories at their best. Superman endows Lois with super-powers for her birthday. The why and how and the rest of how her day goes to be discovered on your own later when you read it, as you really SHOULD read it as a fan of the character.

[Captain Villa]

you NEEDED to quote the whole pic for the third time to ask that one-line question? C'mon now :)

wikipedia All-Star Superman. It's a really cool sort of "ultimate" take on the Superman mythos, sort of aping silver-age Superman stories at their best. Superman endows Lois with super-powers for her birthday. The why and how and the rest of how her day goes to be discovered on your own later when you read it, as you really SHOULD read it as a fan of the character.

In the UK, we get the comics ages after you do. :(

[Fatboy Roberts]

weak sauce. I forgot about that man, my bad.

Yeah, wiki up "All-Star Superman" it should give you a plot breakdown at the least, I'd think.

[tabLengle]

The suit has always been fine. It's just whiny, picky fanboys who complained about it on this board that didn't like it. Grow up fanboys, things change. Have a good evening.

[Captain Villa]

The suit has always been fine. It's just whiny, picky fanboys who complained about it on this board that didn't like it. Grow up fanboys, things change. Have a good evening.


Considering you "joined" this month, that's one heck of an assumption.

[tabLengle]

Considering you "joined" this month, that's one heck of an assumption.

Ive been watching these boards for some time, getting very irritated at times by the pickiness on certain subjects.

[The Kid]

fans just don't want anymore superman 3 and 4s or batman and robins. It's COMPLETELY understandable. These movie studios don't care about the .000034% of people who are geeky comic dogmatists people... I know. But no one ever wants to see their beloved character be given to butt-jokes ever again.

[explode7]

Whats dogmatists?

[Venom71]

Mediocrity plagues this production. From Donner hommage, suit design, lead's appearance. Your example of how to improve costume design is just another glaring indication.

Thank Rao for digital effects and the William's theme, the movie wont be a total waste.
I see you borrowed doc Brown's time machine again :p
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[explode7]

^ Or the car from Back To The Future.

[SuperDaniel]

If the neck is lowered a little in the sequel, we`ll have the perfect Superman suit in my opinion.

[Venom71]

^ Or the car from Back To The Future.
Yeah..Doc Brown's time machine from Back To The Future

[explode7]

Is that the scientist name? I thought it was Marty.

[SuperDaniel]

Marty is Michael J Fox...

[explode7]

Right right. sorry I got mixed up haven't seen BTTF in a long time.

[Venom71]

Is that the scientist name? I thought it was Marty.
Marty McFly was Micheal J. Fox's character's name. Doc Brown was the scientist.

[SuperDaniel]

Right right. sorry I got mixed up haven't seen BTTF in a long time.
I saw the DVDs couple of months ago. Reminded me of how good they were!!

[explode7]

And the Vfx was nothing I've ever seen before especially the flying train at the end of part 3. Awesome. Even better than Star Wars.

[SuperDaniel]

They`re very nice. Have you ever been to the Back to the Future ride at Disneyland in Florida? That was amazing!!

[Showtime]

Please don't botch the facts of my favorite movie.

Run for it Marty!

[explode7]

They`re very nice. Have you ever been to the Back to the Future ride at Disneyland in Florida? That was amazing!!

Unfortunately I haven't had the luxury like you Americans.:(

[SuperDaniel]

I`m not American. I`m Brazilian and yes, i`m very lucky. I live now in Toronto, Canada...

[explode7]

Lucky SOB :p

[SuperDaniel]

^^ :up: Exactely!

[lujho]

In the UK, we get the comics ages after you do. :(

That's not true. Maybe at the newsagents (where their comic stock probably travels by sea and is months late), but proper comic-shops should get them the same week the US do, I'm sure. That's how it is in Australia, and I've certainly read from UK fans who read their comics the same week as the US release (and I'm not talking about pirated digital copies).

[musclesforsupes]

I can say I hated the suit at the beginning but now I like it more cause of the better pictures, if the WB would have released a better pic to USA TODAY or maybe to a magazine instead of newspaper then the lighting would have been better, and the intial backlash to the suit would have probably been limited.

[Mr. Thing]

That's not true. Maybe at the newsagents (where their comic stock probably travels by sea and is months late), but proper comic-shops should get them the same week the US do, I'm sure. That's how it is in Australia, and I've certainly read from UK fans who read their comics the same week as the US release (and I'm not talking about pirated digital copies).

Yeah, we do.

[nite-owl]

Really? my comic shops get them in on Thursdays.

[Metropolis_Man]

I can say I hated the suit at the beginning but now I like it more cause of the better pictures, if the WB would have released a better pic to USA TODAY or maybe to a magazine instead of newspaper then the lighting would have been better, and the intial backlash to the suit would have probably been limited.

Agreed. The new pics are looking really good, and I think maybe if one of those would've been the first to be released, the backlash wouldn't have been nearly as bad. But there may be a reasoning to their ways. Gradually gaining interest after time. Who knows. I'm really excited for the movie though.:up:

[The Kid]

Whats dogmatists?


I think it's people who refuse to accept any deviation from the source comics whatsoever when the stories are re-interpreted in a different form.

[theogt]

Maybe this has been posed before, but since the new suit has a "hard" S and assuming Clark still wears the suit under his civilian clothes, what does he do if someone brushes against his chest? Presumably you would be able to feel the S under a mere dress shirt.

[The Kid]

Maybe he wears an extra thick tie.

[Showtime]

This has been debated before. Not sure what the outcome was, it does seem a little strange, you could see it through his shirt.

[Mentok]

Maybe this has been posed before, but since the new suit has a "hard" S and assuming Clark still wears the suit under his civilian clothes, what does he do if someone brushes against his chest? Presumably you would be able to feel the S under a mere dress shirt.

Suspension of disbelief.

If he has clothes over his Super suit, you cant feel or see the \S/... Its the same deal with 'How does his cape fit under all that?' and 'how does he wear shoes over the red boots?'

[Metropolis_Man]

Hmm very interesting. Where would that cape go. Maybe theres something to be explained with its kryptonian technology.

[Showtime]

Suspension of disbelief.

If he has clothes over his Super suit, you cant feel or see the \S/... Its the same deal with 'How does his cape fit under all that?' and 'how does he wear shoes over the red boots?'

Why do I keep saying suspension of belief? :mad:

[DavidTyler]

Maybe this has been posed before, but since the new suit has a "hard" S and assuming Clark still wears the suit under his civilian clothes, what does he do if someone brushes against his chest? Presumably you would be able to feel the S under a mere dress shirt.

I raised this issue on a number of occasions and the only answer I got on these boards was 'suspension of disbelief'.

[true316]

I raised this issue on a number of occasions and the only answer I got on these boards was 'suspension of disbelief'.

Hmm... how to conceal the raised S, eh? That's a tough one. I say a high quality sweater vest will do the trick! :p :up:

Yeah, I think I'll go with suspension of disbelief on this one. Same as the cape as always been. Seriously, where has he been putting that thing all these years? ;)

[theogt]

Suspension of disbelief my arse. Here's to hoping Singer addresses this issue. Maybe there is something to that "no one can touch it" line that we heard.

[Metropolis_Man]

Hmm... how to conceal the raised S, eh? That's a tough one. I say a high quality sweater vest will do the trick! :p :up:

Yeah, I think I'll go with suspension of disbelief on this one. Same as the cape as always been. Seriously, where has he been putting that thing all these years? ;)


I think he wore a small little pack under his shirt and rolled his cape up inside of it. I could be wrong of course. I want to see if they will explain it or not. No big deal if they don't, its always been there under his normal clothes.

[Mentok]

Why do I keep saying suspension of belief? :mad:

Because you are special :)

[Showtime]

Because you are special :)

Now I feel like I should be wearing a helmet.

[theogt]

Hmm... how to conceal the raised S, eh? That's a tough one. I say a high quality sweater vest will do the trick! :p :up:

Yeah, I think I'll go with suspension of disbelief on this one. Same as the cape as always been. Seriously, where has he been putting that thing all these years? ;)I guess this is why we always see Clark in thick wool three piece suits. Look, I just went and answered my own question.

[dark_b]

Suspension of disbelief my arse. Here's to hoping Singer addresses this issue. Maybe there is something to that "no one can touch it" line that we heard.dude why???????
juse why??????????? :confused:he has also a cape and boots under hes clothes. this would be a bigger problem. but he is teh ****ing superman for christ sake :o.

[Nightwing1977]

Suspension of disbelief my arse. Here's to hoping Singer addresses this issue. Maybe there is something to that "no one can touch it" line that we heard.

If you can't buy the suspension of disbelief on Supes wearing the suit underneath his regular clothes, then explain how you can buy that a character like him can fly, have super-strength, etc.? If you can buy that, then you should feel the same for the suit. Good grief. :rolleyes:

[The Kid]

Well the cape can be folded and tucked into his shirt nicely.

The boots isn't too farfetched either if we assume he just wears socks and bigger shoes over them.

The whole clark kent thing is just his real costume so it makes much sense to me.

[dark_b]

Well the cape can be folded and tucked into his shirt nicely.

The boots isn't too farfetched either if we assume he just wears socks and bigger shoes over them.

The whole clark kent thing is just his real costume so it makes much sense to me.call me crazy but how is that possible ? :confused:

[The Kid]

Go to a store where they sell bedsheets and look for some nicely folded thin twin sized ones. Then put that under your shirt. I don't know if it'll look right, I'm just guessing.

for the other thing. I don't know. Mayeb he wears specially made shoes that fit nicely over his boots. It's what I saw on the Extras show on HBO once. A guy had one foot that was smaller than the other so he wore one shoe that was custom made to fit his smaller foot. If that's what some people can have done, maybe clark got some custom shoes to wear over his boots?

[Agnarr]

I suppose this is where I'd have to appreciate -somewhat- the idea of the "suit in a can." Then there would be no problems. Unless . . . he lost the can! :p

I don't know how big it was in that script, football sized?, but what would he have done, lug that thing all over the place? If they made it the size of a magic marker or something, I could buy that. After all, with superior technology, anything goes.

I believe the "S" is actually soft--it's been mentioned somewhere--but there is no way people would not notice eventually. Suspension of disbelief answers all the questions, I guess.

But considering Singer wanted to explain the origin of the suit/Supes being able to breathe in space (hold his breath? It was in an interview somewhere), we might actually get something definitive.

I originally was 80% happy with the suit, but every time I see it I like it more and more. I'd like a lower neckline, of course, and a better cape that flares across his shoulders some more, because it does look like a napkin tucked into his suit at times. The thing I thought was most innovative was adding the muscle lines in the suit--those dark lines a lot of people have complained about. They show definition where he really has it, but its hidden underneath the suit. Sort of like an optical illusion to put it back. Good move, I say. It brings out his triceps and quads.

[DavidTyler]

When I was growing up, I always thought of the boots as something more akin to stiff socks with a hard sole.

The cape always left me wondering. I made a Superman costume when I was a kid and tried to put regular clothes on over it. Needless to say, the cape bunched up in the back. Of course, I only tried it once or twice and I was a kid. There may be a way to fold the cape up into the small of your back to help hide it.

The 3D emblem? I have no rationale for how that would go unnoticed. I don't think an undershirt would help hide it. It would, however, hide a flat emblem.

As far as wanting a rational explanation for these things as opposed to believing that someone can fly. Self contained flying is such a fantastic element that you can rationalize that it involves some science we aren't privy to at this point. The clothes, though... well, we all wear them. It's not unfair to try to find a reasonable explanation for that issue.

[Milkman95]

^Well, maybe that's why Singer has his Clark Kent in sweater vests and suit vests more, to hide the emblem.

The whole thought of him having ANY type of suit underneath his clothes is far-fetched, so adding a 3-D element to the mix really doesn't do anything, at least IMO.

[AgentPat]

^Well, maybe that's why Singer has his Clark Kent in sweater vests and suit vests more, to hide the emblem...Makes sense.

There's also the other possibility that Clark simply doesn't wear his suit under his clothing *all* of the time.

Wouldn't it be funny to see Clark run down and alley and do a shirt rip to reveal... a bare chest?

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[Venom71]

^Well, maybe that's why Singer has his Clark Kent in sweater vests and suit vests more, to hide the emblem.

The whole thought of him having ANY type of suit underneath his clothes is far-fetched, so adding a 3-D element to the mix really doesn't do anything, at least IMO.
Well Said :up:

[Morgoth]

I was in my Comic shop yesterday and this guy was in there at the counter and he started going off about the suit.

He said:"For one it shouldn't be a turtle neck, with a half sized :supes: , and what's with all the little S's all over it?!, And that shower curtain on his back! And Routh and Kate don't look like Clark and Lois. They're too young and that forehead is a fivehead on Bosworth!"

It's true, fans know their stuff, and not all of them will just back down, bend over and take the crap they're given out of desperation for a movie with their favorite Superhero.

If this movie turns out to suck, I can always just watch the cartoons for real Superman stories. That wasn't the first fan and non comic book reader to say all that.

[skruloos]

I was in my Comic shop yesterday and this guy was in there at the counter and he started going off about the suit.

He said:"For one it shouldn't be a turtle neck, with a half sized :supes: , and what's with all the little S's all over it?!, And that shower curtain on his back! And Routh and Kate don't look like Clark and Lois. They're too young and that forehead is a fivehead on Bosworth!"
So you frequent the same comic books store as Buggs. Way to go. :up:


It's true, fans know their stuff, and not all of them will just back down, bend over and take the crap they're given out of desperation for a movie with their favorite Superhero.
Could be. Or it could also be that some are hoping for crap like Collora's oeuvre of fanfilms because they're "true to the comics".


If this movie turns out to suck, I can always just watch the cartoons for real Superman stories. That wasn't the first fan and non comic book reader to say all that.
That's true for any movie though. If any movie sucks, people will not see it. But that's the thing about coming up with these pre-judgments about the movie or parts of it before it comes out. The same type of people did the same thing during Batman Begins, Spider-man and X-Men as well as other poorer superhero films. There were arguments about costumes and changing certain characteristics of different characters. But those ultimately didn't matter if the story was engrossing and entertaining.

Sure, there will always be people who are nitpicky about certain things. They will let things like a rubber costume, a racial change for the character, or a character that isn't the correct height, ruin a movie for them. My advice to those people? Stick to the comics. The movies don't have to follow your strict guidelines that you want them to because you're such a "fan". Leave the movies for those who can appreciate them. The "fans" know the comics. Good for them. These films aren't the comics.

[Milkman95]

^Amen.........

[musclesforsupes]

If for some reason this movie does go the way of say King Kong, then I think the Superman movies will be done till the rights get given to another studio, then by then it will probably have a restart.

[afan]

Sure, there will always be people who are nitpicky about certain things. They will let things like a rubber costume, a racial change for the character, or a character that isn't the correct height, ruin a movie for them. My advice to those people? Stick to the comics. The movies don't have to follow your strict guidelines that you want them to because you're such a "fan". Leave the movies for those who can appreciate them. The "fans" know the comics. Good for them. These films aren't the comics.

Would you accept these changes in the Superman film?

[ToddIsDead]

The rights won't be given to another studio. WB has owned DC for God knows how long. They're not going to be selling their most important character.

[Mr. Thing]

Would you accept these changes in the Superman film?

I wouldn't initially, but I wouldn't really let it destroy my enjoyment of the film, cos at the end of the day seeing the film is for one thing, my enjoyment.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Could be. Or it could also be that some are hoping for crap like Collora's oeuvre of fanfilms because they're "true to the comics".


Exactly, Collora's "films" are proof that accuracy does not necessarily = quality. Film and comics are obviously very different mediums/medias and one does not easily translate to the other. Something will be lost and other things will need to be compensated to make up for it.

[Showtime]

That's true for any movie though. If any movie sucks, people will not see it. But that's the thing about coming up with these pre-judgments about the movie or parts of it before it comes out. The same type of people did the same thing during Batman Begins, Spider-man and X-Men as well as other poorer superhero films. There were arguments about costumes and changing certain characteristics of different characters. But those ultimately didn't matter if the story was engrossing and entertaining.

People have short memories.

[afan]

Exactly, Collora's "films" are proof that accuracy does not necessarily = quality. Film and comics are obviously very different mediums/medias and one does not easily translate to the other. Something will be lost and other things will need to be compensated to make up for it.

Re. Collora's shorts and the accuracy = quality, point; how so?

Interesting to me that one of the first visual stages and crucial building blocks for the development of a feature film involves the creation of a story board, which is a graphically rendered panel layout, basically a comic book if you will. So that being understood where exactly does this giant gap between the media exist?

[skruloos]

Would you accept these changes in the Superman film?
It depends on the final product, doesn't it? Just as it did with the other films I mentioned.

[skruloos]

Re. Collora's shorts and the accuracy = quality, point; how so?

Interesting to me that one of the first visual stages and crucial building blocks for the development of a feature film involves the creation of a story board, which is a graphically rendered panel layout, basically a comic book if you will. So that being understood where exactly does this giant gap between the media exist?
Uh...possibly in everything after storyboarding. It is in the cinematography, the editing, the sound effects, the score, the costuming, the performances, etc. Look at the drastic differences there are between storyboards and a finished live action film. Would you look at a set of storyboards and think, "That's great. I don't need to see the movie now,"? No. Storyboards are merely a foundation. There is a world of difference between what appears in the storyboard in 2D form and what appears as 3D live action that takes place in real time.

[afan]

It depends on the final product, doesn't it? Just as it did with the other films I mentioned.

Of course it does; you state the obvious, and you cleverly avoided answering my question.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Re. Collora's film and the accuracy = quality, point; how so?

I'm not sure what you mean with that sentence. If you're saying that Collora's films are quality, I'm disagreeing with you. They're poorly acted, amateurishly shot, badly written shorts, and I see them as nothing more than decent fanfilms (because I'm grading on a curve).

Interesting to me that one of the first visual stages and crucial building blocks for the development of a feature film involves the creation of a story board, which is a graphically rendered panel layout, basically a comic book if you will. So that being understood where exactly does this giant gap between the media exist?

It's pretty obvious where the gap is. First, comic books have an enormous amount of time to build characters, establish stories, introduce conflict, etc. Movies on the other hand obviously do not. One movie has to accomplish what many, many comic books can do in a much more leisurely pace.

The film, in doing so, has to cut out the fat, compress certain aspects, and/or totally omit certain bits.

Secondly, it's the visual aspect. Guys with huge muscles, Greek god-like appearances, and tight spandex outfits do not translate to our world very well in some cases, and sometimes certain liberties have to be taken to give the costumes 'tangibility' or real world believability.

Case in point is the Clark Betram who plays Batman in Collora's Dead End. He's closer to how Batman is portrayed in comics often, as a muscle-ripped, huge hulking fellow. Unfortunately, in this film, his huge size makes him come off as slow and clumsy, and not at all stealthy as Batman should be.

And his costume is pretty faithful as well, but it comes off as looking cheap in the real world since it lacks layers, textures, and other things to give it a durable feel.

[afan]

Uh...possibly in everything after storyboarding. It is in the cinematography, the editing, the sound effects, the score, the costuming, the performances, etc. Look at the drastic differences there are between storyboards and a finished live action film. Would you look at a set of storyboards and think, "That's great. I don't need to see the movie now,"? No. Storyboards are merely a foundation. There is a world of difference between what appears in the storyboard in 2D form and what appears as 3D live action that takes place in real time.

A film is just as 2D as a printed page.
Everything you've detailed save the score is in a comic, just delivered via a different methodology. The cinematography, costuming and performances are all the result of the talent of the illustrator and writer, the editing is the flow between the panels, the sound effects are of course printed words.
Now can a film deliver a richer visual and auditory experience; of course the answer is yes, but are they wildly different media, the answer for me is no.

[skruloos]

Of course it does; you state the obvious, and you cleverly avoided answering my question.
Well, I can't say because it entirely depends on the final product. So I can't answer your question honestly, now can I?

[afan]

Well, I can't say because it entirely depends on the final product. So I can't answer your question honestly, now can I?

Okay.

[afan]

I'm not sure what you mean with that sentence. If you're saying that Collora's films are quality, I'm disagreeing with you. They're poorly acted, amateurishly shot, badly written shorts, and I see them as nothing more than decent fanfilms (because I'm grading on a curve).





You pointed to Collora's shorts to illustrate your point re. accuracy not necessarily equaling quality, and I wondered exactly how accuracy impacted the Collora efforts.

[skruloos]

A film is just as 2D as a printed page.
Everything you've detailed save the score is in a comic, just delivered via a different methodology. The cinematography, costuming and performances are all the result of the talent of the illustrator and writer, the editing is the flow between the panels, the sound effects are of course printed words.
Now can a film deliver a richer visual and auditory experience; of course the answer is yes, but are they wildly different media, the answer for me is no.
I'm sorry but I disagree. Just as there are differences between hand drawn animation and 3D CGI, there are differences between film and 2D printed pages. And while illustrators are masters at pacing and angles, it is quite difference from cinematography. No matter how good an illustrator it, comics do not convey a full sense of 3D movement in real time that camera moves, push ins, and tracking shots will in a film. And reading sound effects is quite different from aural sound design. The fact that films deliver a richer visual and auditory experience is part of the reason why they are completely different media.

Let's take a look at something like costuming and how different it is between media. Different fabrics have different values on camera. Some will reflect light differently, some will absorb light differently. Textures will change how one color will look like. In the case of superhero outfits, different stretch fabrics will behave differently. They will bunch up. They will wrinkle. They hide muscle definition. They sometimes restrict movement. How do you handle this? These are things that are not covered in the storyboards. A comic artist does not have to worry about these things because they have complete control over everything they do. They don't necessarily worry about materials and interaction with light on a moving subject because they can help dictate what colors appear where in any given frame. They don't have to worry about muscle definition or wrinkles, or restricting movement because comic art is not bound by real world physics.

Great cinematography, performances, and sound design will actually make a person feel as if they are within the action in the film. It is a completely visceral experience at that point. A comic book, however, because it is the victim of time gaps between panels and the lack of physical movement in real time relies much more on imagination to fill in the blanks of action. As a form of literature, it is more cerebral in nature. The reading experience is NOT the same as the watching/listening experience.

This is not a knock on comics at all. This, instead, works in their favor. Because comics, and to a lesser extent cartoons, do not depict real life actors in photoreal situations, the audience is more forgiving in their suspension of disbelief. Animated films can get away with unrealistic motions and actions. Comics can get away with heightened action. Most films, because they reproduce real physics and people interacting in the real world, are not as forgiving. People have higher expectations for realism as deviations would actually pull them away from the narrative. In order for a movie to introduce anything fantastical, it must be done in such a stylistic manner that your suspension of disbelief is already set high. Otherwise, different actions will stand out. Why do you think so many people complain about CGI? Comics don't have that problem. They're already stylized.

[skruloos]

You pointed to Collora's shorts to illustrate your point re. accuracy not necessarily equaling quality, and I wondered exactly how accuracy impacted the Collora efforts.
Let's see. He was more consumed with getting muscle bound people who looked physically like their characters over someone who could actually act. I'd say that impacts it quite a bit. He used spandex costumes that looked "just like the comics" but was more like a bunch of grown men in Halloween costumes. Batman, even though he looked like the comics in still frames, looked completely ridiculous in a light fabric cape and a spandex body suit. It was even worse when he appeared in broad daylight in the World's Finest trailer.

Was he limited by his budget? Sure. But crap was still crap and all the accuracy in the world wasn't going to save his little fan shorts.

[JamalYIgle]

A film is just as 2D as a printed page.
Everything you've detailed save the score is in a comic, just delivered via a different methodology. The cinematography, costuming and performances are all the result of the talent of the illustrator and writer, the editing is the flow between the panels, the sound effects are of course printed words.
Now can a film deliver a richer visual and auditory experience; of course the answer is yes, but are they wildly different media, the answer for me is no.
Actually I have to take you to task on this one. What appears on the printed page is great and it waht we strive to bring about but by virtue of the medium what works in comics doesn't always translate to real life, or film. there is a cerain amount of suspension of belief in Comics , that a 6'3 inch bodybuilder can go around unnoticed as a high profile newspaper reporter and operate, unmasked mind you, as a Superpowered being in skin tight spandex and a cape.

[StarvingArtist]

A film can have all of the elements of the source material and still be amazing.

[Showtime]

Yes Collara, the mediocrity continues.

[Morgoth]

So you frequent the same comic books store as Buggs. Way to go. :up:



Sure, there will always be people who are nitpicky about certain things. They will let things like a rubber costume, a racial change for the character, or a character that isn't the correct height, ruin a movie for them. My advice to those people? Stick to the comics. The movies don't have to follow your strict guidelines that you want them to because you're such a "fan". Leave the movies for those who can appreciate them. The "fans" know the comics. Good for them. These films aren't the comics.No but they are based on them, you have to respect where they came from, and that suit does look gay. It sucks. Superman hasn't had one good movie. Good actors but no good movies.

[StarvingArtist]

Actually I have to take you to task on this one. What appears on the printed page is great and it waht we strive to bring about but by virtue of the medium what works in comics doesn't always translate to real life, or film. there is a cerain amount of suspension of belief in Comics , that a 6'3 inch bodybuilder can go around unnoticed as a high profile newspaper reporter and operate, unmasked mind you, as a Superpowered being in skin tight spandex and a cape.

The problem is what version of the character the film is adapting. An adaption of say, Fliescher's Superman or perhaps even Swan's would be considerably more conducive for film as opposed to a rendition featuring Bogdanov's crazy muscle supes. But then you begin to get into people's personal preferences in versions of the character. A film that sticks close to the source material of one version cannot be held accountable for the harsh reactions and claims of source material violation from people who prefer a different version of the character.

[Showtime]

No but they are based on them, you have to respect where they came from, and that suit does look gay. It sucks. Superman hasn't had one good movie. Good actors but no good movies.

You find no value in any of the Superman movies?

[Scooter]

You find no value in any of the Superman movies?

He said they've had good actors. I believe that would be the "value".

[StarvingArtist]

No but they are based on them, you have to respect where they came from, and that suit does look gay. It sucks. Superman hasn't had one good movie. Good actors but no good movies.

If that's what you really think, then you're in the minority. (About the movies, not Routh's costume)

[Showtime]

He said they've had good actors. I believe that would be the "value".

He values the actors, not the movie himself. You could really apply that either way.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

No but they are based on them, you have to respect where they came from, and that suit does look gay. It sucks. Superman hasn't had one good movie. Good actors but no good movies.

That's definitely an opinion that's in the minority. Not that that makes you wrong...

Do you like any kind of comic book movies? Hopefully your answer can shed some light on your preference.

[Scooter]

He values the actors, not the movie himself. You could really apply that either way.

You, more or less, asked him/her if s/he found any value in the movies. The actors - which s/he obviously values - were in the movies.

:)

[Showtime]

You, more or less, asked him/her if s/he found any value in the movies. The actors - which s/he obviously values - were in the movies.

:)

His quote cancels that theory, "Good actors, no good movies." He is seperating them, not me. :)

[Venom71]

No but they are based on them, you have to respect where they came from, and that suit does look gay. It sucks. Superman hasn't had one good movie. Good actors but no good movies.
Was it really necessary to use that term?

[StarvingArtist]

Hmm looks like the Superman Suit to me..guess that means they all look that way to you then huh?

Dude, why do you have to criticize his opinion? Not everyone sees things the same way you do.

[Venom71]

Dude, why do you have to criticize his opinion? Not everyone sees things the same way you do.
I woudn't have but I see it unecessary to use that term he used to describe it.

[StarvingArtist]

I woudn't have but I see it unecessary to use that term he used to describe it.

Well that's different.

[skruloos]

No but they are based on them, you have to respect where they came from, and that suit does look gay. It sucks. Superman hasn't had one good movie. Good actors but no good movies.
That's strange considering that StM is probably one of the movies that respected the comics the most.

[Mr. Thing]

That's strange considering that StM is probably one of the movies that respected the comics the most.

Well, that's debatable.

[afan]

Well, that's debatable.

That, my friend, would be a very tough debate.

[StarvingArtist]

Well, that's debatable.

Anything is debatable

[StarvingArtist]

That, my friend, would be a very tough debate.

Not necessarily.

[Mr. Thing]

That, my friend, would be a very tough debate.

Depends. Visually it was extremely faithfull. But in other areas it was a bit different.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Sure, it would be a pretty tough debate. The movie was important as well as comics were something that were never turned into serious movies. It set the bar nicely.

[Oldguy]

The problem is what version of the character the film is adapting. An adaption of say, Fliescher's Superman or perhaps even Swan's would be considerably more conducive for film as opposed to a rendition featuring Bogdanov's crazy muscle supes. But then you begin to get into people's personal preferences in versions of the character. A film that sticks close to the source material of one version cannot be held accountable for the harsh reactions and claims of source material violation from people who prefer a different version of the character.

Here's the one of the most perfected human physiques, in his prime in street clothes. Doesn't look out of place at all.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/Stuporman/sreeves184.jpg
Bodybuilder doesn't always mean juice monkey, surprises me that a professional artist like JamalYIngle can't tell the difference.

As far as all incarnations being fair game tho, how would you feel if a movie was made with Shuster and Siegel's original depiction of Superman where he's abusing women and amusing himself with one liners while using lethal force? It wouldn't bother me, but I imagine a lot of others would be.

I think th esource material that should be used should be the most contemporary. Look how well Schumachers' Ode to West fared against Nolan's Miller inspired movie.

[Showtime]

Here's the one of the most perfected human physiques, in his prime in street clothes. Doesn't look out of place at all.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/Stuporman/sreeves184.jpg
Bodybuilder doesn't always mean juice monkey, surprises me that a professional artist like JamalYIngle can't tell the difference.

As far as all incarnations being fair game tho, how would you feel if a movie was made with Shuster and Siegel's original depiction of Superman where he's abusing women and amusing himself with one liners while using lethal force? It wouldn't bother me, but I imagine a lot of others would be.

I think th esource material that should be used should be the most contemporary. Look how well Schumachers' Ode to West fared against Nolan's Miller inspired movie.

Who is the photo of?

[StarvingArtist]

Here's the one of the most perfected human physiques, in his prime in street clothes. Doesn't look out of place at all.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/Stuporman/sreeves184.jpg
Bodybuilder doesn't always mean juice monkey, surprises me that a professional artist like JamalYIngle can't tell the difference.

As far as all incarnations being fair game tho, how would you feel if a movie was made with Shuster and Siegel's original depiction of Superman where he's abusing women and amusing himself with one liners while using lethal force? It wouldn't bother me, but I imagine a lot of others would be.

I think th esource material that should be used should be the most contemporary. Look how well Schumachers' Ode to West fared against Nolan's Miller inspired movie.

An adaption of S & S version would ****ing ROCK. However, I kind of agree that the source material should be contemporary. It's what the general public is most familar with and the reason why the hero is popular nowadays.

[Mr. Thing]

Who is the photo of?

Steve Reeves if I'm not mistaken.

[Showtime]

Steve Reeves if I'm not mistaken.

Thanks. Another Reeves.

[skruloos]

Look how well Schumachers' Ode to West fared against Nolan's Miller inspired movie.
Neither of which did as good as Burton's ode to Kane.

[Showtime]

Or Burton's ode to Prince.