Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Caliber]

nah..they wanted to keep it, bob moreton wanted total body prosthesis...

I remember now, I need to see Robocop again. Interesting to see Batman on a cop car.

[ingraman]

I love the new batsuit. But since people are posting photoshops, here's mine.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4185/batmansimpkf2.jpg

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

ddint they give him a heart transplant right before his partner got snuffed out?

After, he took a grenade to the chest.

Protecting the innocent.

[batbat_29640]

This one's less mean so far. You'd think I gave him white drawn on eyebrows.
lmao . . . and a red stripped muscle car?

[bunk]

I just think that with this suit we are turning Bats into more of an Iron Man, meaning he is a character that derives his power from the mechanics of his suit. Batman is not this. He is an ass kicking detective living in a dark, gothic city. The suit is just too techno for me.

But I still really dig it.


I hope he's at least some sort of detective.

[Sarge 2.0]

Love that mesh idea.
As for the blue. I'm just saying. It could be done.

Take it or leave it folks...THIS is Batman.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9015/batsgoodlk5.jpgRight.

You do realize that Batman's suit was originally black, right? Then after that, black with blue highlights? The blue didn't come until later.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I remember now, I need to see Robocop again. Interesting to see Batman on a cop car.

I really hope it is a shot From the movie..

I would love to see Joker kill some cops or maybe just some thugs..then crash..bat man lands on top of the car..revealing his new suit.

[donk70]

I love the new batsuit. But since people are posting photoshops, here's mine.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4185/batmansimpkf2.jpg

Same here

http://www.geocities.com/%7Etalotta/Batman/batman10.jpg

[breyfogle_rules]

I love the new batsuit. But since people are posting photoshops, here's mine.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4185/batmansimpkf2.jpg


Good! It seems like the more we round out all those nooks and cranny's the better he looks.

[bunk]

lmao . . . and a red stripped muscle car?


lol and he's got a bright red cell phone! I like to pay homage.

[CFE]

I really hope it is a shot From the movie..

I would love to see Joker kill some cops or maybe just some thugs..then crash..bat man lands on top of the car..revealing his new suit.

oooo, and what if he stood up slowly like he did in the opening of "Batman: Dead End" with his cape all spread out and it pulls itself back up.

That would be flippin' sweet!

CFE

[breyfogle_rules]

Right.

You do realize that Batman's suit was originally black, right? Then after that, black with blue highlights? The blue didn't come until later.

So you don't like it?

[Saint]

actually..it pretty much is all Murphy's face hence the bullet hole, his face is cold because of no blood flow to his face.. his heart is gone, he has no lungs..pretty much he has a few organs..he has a digestive tract.

Actually, in Robocop 3 they perform a heart transplant, so arguably he has a heart. I prefer to ignore this, though, because it makes more sense for him to have an artificial heart (hence the articifical heart ad at the beginning of the first film).

[Caliber]

I really hope it is a shot From the movie..

I would love to see Joker kill some cops or maybe just some thugs..then crash..bat man lands on top of the car..revealing his new suit.

That would be a great first or second meeting. Or if Joker is about to kill Gordon and Batman swoopes in to save him.

[bunk]

http://www.geocities.com/%7Etalotta/Batman/batman10.jpg

Keaton's got so much sass in this picture!

"Oh no you dih-ent."

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Actually, in Robocop 3 they perfor a heart transplant, so arguably he has a heart. I prefer to ignore this, though, because it makes more sense for him to have an artificial heart (hence the articifical heart ad at the beginning of the first film).

Thats what i meant?

[Caliber]

Actually, in Robocop 3 they perfor a heart transplant, so arguably he has a heart. I prefer to ignore this, though, because it makes more sense for him to have an artificial heart (hence the articifical heart ad at the beginning of the first film).

It is good just to ignore Robocop 3 existed.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

oooo, and what if he stood up slowly like he did in the opening of "Batman: Dead End" with his cape all spread out and it pulls itself back up.

That would be flippin' sweet!

CFE


Damn right.

:cool:

[dark_b]

I really hope it is a shot From the movie..

I would love to see Joker kill some cops or maybe just some thugs..then crash..bat man lands on top of the car..revealing his new suit.than near the cop car there is a bump from europe and says: nice cape :ninja:

[Golgo-13]

Who really cares, you all are going to see the movie whether you like the suite or not. And the TDK will be one of the best SH movies made.

I'm hyped for TDK too but come on dude, ppl were saying the same thing about SM3 before it came out. Let's take things one step at a time..namely, for right now, the suit.

Nolan himself said that this movie will be different from the BB. Whether thats a good or bad thing is yet to be seen.

[Sarge 2.0]

So you don't like it?Your manip? No, no I don't.

I honestly don't believe that blue would work with the style that the movie suits have. If the Begins suit had been fabric, then hell, go crazy with the blue if you'd like. But overall, black just works much better.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

It is good just to ignore Robocop 3 existed.


You could, but considering its meant to be a continuing story..you cant really.

[Sarge 2.0]

Same here

http://www.geocities.com/%7Etalotta/Batman/batman10.jpgYour signature causes my eyes to bleed.

[afan]

Being a vigilante is against the law. :dry:

Besides, the best Batman comics had a tension between Batman and the GCPD, where Bats was just as wanted by the cops as the criminals.

Batman is not a vigilante,
A vigilante by definition sets himself up as judge, jury, and executioner. The Punisher is a vigilante.

Batman should exist in a shadowy unofficial sanctioned atmosphere, but resentment, professional jealousy, or perhaps suspicion of his motives and modus operandi should certainly create a strained relation with Gotham's authority.

[CFE]

You could, but considering its meant to be a continuing story..you cant really.

Well doesn't the TV Series act as if R2 and R3 didn't happen. I mean, through the course of the films OCP goes out of business. But OCP is still in place in the series.

In that regard, it's a continuing story depending on which one you follow.

CFE

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well doesn't the TV Series act as if R2 and R3 didn't happen. I mean, through the course of the films OCP goes out of business. But OCP is still in place in the series.

In that regard, it's a continuing story depending on which one you follow.

CFE


True, the series is a separate entity, a different version if you will..

i would say the films have there own continuity..

[Jack Rabbit]

Love that mesh idea.
As for the blue. I'm just saying. It could be done.

Take it or leave it folks...THIS is Batman.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9015/batsgoodlk5.jpg

That's awful, not Batman.

[shapeshifter]

I think like the conan movies were intended these movies each will have a running theme. The first was the overcoming of fear and the training of the body.
perhaps the second will be the strength of the mind.
the third could be
the dedication to the mission.
i don't know.
its just a thought

[Caliber]

You could, but considering its meant to be a continuing story..you cant really.

I never really saw the tv show but I thought the third one really took away from Robocop.

[dario2739]

I just think that with this suit we are turning Bats into more of an Iron Man, meaning he is a character that derives his power from the mechanics of his suit. Batman is not this. He is an ass kicking detective living in a dark, gothic city. The suit is just too techno for me.

Don't agree - look at it this way... nobody seemed to complain about the reasoning behind Bruce having a reinforced cowl in BB, well this is the same.
Regardless of how fit, strong, muscular and well-trained he is, the simple fact of the matter is that if someone was to break a baseball bat around his arm or leg they'd break, so it stands to reason that he'd need protection - he is after all just a man, and I don't think it detracts from his fighting ability. I can see that the new design of the suit is to allow him to move more freely and fluidly, which in turn will help his fighting abilities rather than hinder them.

[donk70]

Your signature causes my eyes to bleed.

Then don't read it

kkthanksbyehaveaniceday:heart:

[Jack Rabbit]

I love the new batsuit. But since people are posting photoshops, here's mine.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4185/batmansimpkf2.jpg

I like that alot. Much sleeker. :ninja:

[batbat_29640]

Your manip? No, no I don't.

I honestly don't believe that blue would work with the style that the movie suits have. If the Begins suit had been fabric, then hell, go crazy with the blue if you'd like. But overall, black just works much better.
I'll have to agree. Blue Batman stopped making sense to me back in the 80's

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I never really saw the tv show but I thought the third one really took away from Robocop.

it did..it did have some good bits.

they should have just filmed the full version of Frank millers script..which would have been the original Robocop 2..

Millers Robocop 2 script was stripped into two films, which became 2/3

[Caliber]

I think like the conan movies were intended these movies each will have a running theme. The first was the overcoming of fear and the training of the body.
perhaps the second will be the strength of the mind.
the third could be
the dedication to the mission.
i don't know.
its just a thought

Seems like it since in The Dark Knight, he is facing Joker and the dedication would come in the form of having to stop a friend in Two Face.

[cryptic name]

I just think that with this suit we are turning Bats into more of an Iron Man, meaning he is a character that derives his power from the mechanics of his suit. Batman is not this. He is an ass kicking detective living in a dark, gothic city. The suit is just too techno for me.

But I still really dig it.

but the suits just body armor, like a swat suit or something. it's function is the same as the Begins suit, it doesn't increase his strength or turn him invisible or allow him to fly or anything. i don't think the iron man comparison is fair.

[Caliber]

it did..it did have some good bits.

they should have just filmed the full version of Frank millers script..which would have been the original Robocop 2..

Robocop 2 is the script stripped into two films, which became 2/3

Wow I never knew they split it up. Sounds interesting since Miller did a great job on the story for the movie. It would great if he made a new Robocop film.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Wow I never knew they split it up. Sounds interesting since Miller did a great job on the story for the movie. It would great if he made a new Robocop film.

Yea, Bastards..you can buy it in comic book form..

[Sarge 2.0]

Batman is not a vigilante,
A vigilante by definition sets himself up as judge, jury, and executioner. The Punisher is a vigilante.

Batman should exist in a shadowy unofficial sanctioned atmosphere, but resentment, professional jealousy, or perhaps suspicion of his motives and modus operandi should certainly create a strained relation with Gotham's authority.Don't **** with me about the law.

A vigilante is an individual who takes the enforcement of the law or moral code into his or her own hands. Batman beats up criminals and then apprehends them, instead of letting the police deal with them. He may let them live so that they can be prosecuted, but he is still technically a civilian who enforces the law on his own terms. I'm not saying Batman is wrong, but he is absolutely, 100% without a doubt a vigilante who has a very uneasy relationship with the cops. Except for Gordon, of course.

[slave2catwoman]

I never understood the blue. Who ever heard of a light blue, grey, and yellow bat? Perhaps dark grey and black somehow make for better cover in the night than all black. I don't know this to be true, but it's possible. Light blue, though???? Makes no sense at all.

[CFE]

Don't agree - look at it this way... nobody seemed to complain about the reasoning behind Bruce having a reinforced cowl in BB, well this is the same.
Regardless of how fit, strong, muscular and well-trained he is, the simple fact of the matter is that if someone was to break a baseball bat around his arm or leg they'd break, so it stands to reason that he'd need protection - he is after all just a man, and I don't think it detracts from his fighting ability. I can see that the new design of the suit is to allow him to move more freely and fluidly, which in turn will help his fighting abilities rather than hinder them.

I can kinda see what breyfogle_rules is trying to say.

In B89, and made obvious by the interview with Peter Guber, Bruce had to be in the suit to be extraordinary.

I agree in that regard. It's not the Batsuit that makes the Batman; it needs to be the other way around. Yet another sterling example of how Nolan and Bale got it right, making Bruce formidable whether he's in or out of the suit.

On the other hand, I think this design is necessary. As I said before, he's the peak of intellectual and physical perfection, fighting a one man WAR on crime that he'll never win. Bearing that in mind, this upgrade of sorts fits.

It's all about "Escalation" after all.

And as goes with fighting a war on crime, this is the first time Batman's actually looked like an urban soldier in the trenches.

CFE

[Caliber]

Yea, Bastards..you can buy it in comic book form..

Cool I have an issue of the Robocop marvel series.

[dark_b]

I like that alot. Much sleeker. :ninja:the only difference that i see is that there is no texture.

[carlosey]

The suit is definitely a riot-gear suit. Fits perfectly for what a man fighting the underwold would need: a battle suit. It looks amazing, and I dont understand how so many people are surprised by this considering everyone saw the first flipping movie. If you didnt think all the gadgets and rides werent going to be changed and improved, which was clearly set up in begins, then youre on your own.

What really gets me is that we have on our hands a picture where batman is standing with his head tilted sideways. Dont you realize that this picture has been impossible to make since the first suit was made back in 89? The cowl is a huge and nice improvement.

If there is anyone to be trusted in regards to what he does, it is Nolan. Two thumbs up!

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Robocop kicks ass.

:cool:

[bunk]

I never thought the yellow looked real good with the blue. Why is his belt yellow? I mean really...

[afan]

Don't agree - look at it this way... nobody seemed to complain about the reasoning behind Bruce having a reinforced cowl in BB, well this is the same.
Regardless of how fit, strong, muscular and well-trained he is, the simple fact of the matter is that if someone was to break a baseball bat around his arm or leg they'd break, so it stands to reason that he'd need protection - he is after all just a man, and I don't think it detracts from his fighting ability. I can see that the new design of the suit is to allow him to move more freely and fluidly, which in turn will help his fighting abilities rather than hinder them.


Perhaps, but that doesn't rationalize the shooting gauntlet aparatus.
Body armor is one thing but adding offensive weaponry like shooting gaunlets etc., does somewhat cross over to being Iron-Man ish

[Jack Rabbit]

I never understood the blue. Who ever heard of a light blue, grey, and yellow bat? Perhaps dark grey and black somehow make for better cover in the night than all black. I don't know this to be true, but it's possible. Light blue, though???? Makes no sense at all.

While I agree with you, the argument you present doesn't hold alot of water.

By that logic, Batman could be tan, or brown. Or tannish brown, and dark tan. Or brown and black...

[Sarge 2.0]

I'll have to agree. Blue Batman stopped making sense to me back in the 80'sIt's not that the blue doesn't make sense to me at all, blue works very well for Batman in the comics.

It just really doesn't jive with the movie look that people are used to. Anyone who wants the movie suits to be blue shouldn't gripe at Nolan, they should gripe at Burton.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

style..

all about accessories.

[batbat_29640]

Batman is not a vigilante,
A vigilante by definition sets himself up as judge, jury, and executioner. The Punisher is a vigilante.

Batman should exist in a shadowy unofficial sanctioned atmosphere, but resentment, professional jealousy, or perhaps suspicion of his motives and modus operandi should certainly create a strained relation with Gotham's authority.
The Batman is 'by deffinition' a vigilante. Look the word up on wikipedia. The first two lines pretty much scream Batman.

[Caliber]

Robocop kicks ass.

:cool:

He does, a true american hero.

[Flash-er]

it's because people like to see things that aren't there......hence, why people think the Batsymbol is gold (wtf????)


What? The bat symbol is GOLD?!? Hot damn, I variation of the oval! heheh... :woot: :whatever: :woot: :oldrazz: (yes, I know it's not. You've made your point, now take your meds)

[CFE]

Perhaps, but that doesn't rationalize the shooting gauntlet aparatus.
Body armor is one thing but adding offensive weaponry like shooting gaunlets etc., does somewhat cross over to being Iron-Man ish

Actually it reminds me more of Bruce having instant batarang access added to the Batsuit in "Batman Beyond."

Efficiency at its finest. Almost like the KFM fighting style from "Begins," what's the point of digging into a utility belt pouch to get a batarang when it can just shoot it out from the gauntlet? It saves Batman time, and considering he is, for now, the only crime fighter protecting ALL of Gotham, time is something he holds precious.

It could mean the difference between life and death for a helpless victim.

CFE

[DSET]

do we know 100% that hes going to be shooting things out of his forearms?
Or could that just be the magizine's opinion based on the way it looks?

[Steelsheen]

Robocop Returns!

:cool:

haha! the avatar that took the SR boards by storm :D


Ok, I had to do one of these. I know it's not great, try to ignore the symbol.

I like the idea of pieces of armor attached to a fabric base. Only, I was hoping they'd then cover the entire thing with maybe another layer of mesh. Sorta like a mesh/fabric/armor sandwich.(delicious right?) You'd see the armor, but it'd be less obvious.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7872/tdksuitreviseak3.jpg

this...... can acutally work.

only make sure the overlaying fabric outlines the armour plates clear enough because otherwise its kinda pointless to have them in the first place.

but yeah, this concept looks good to me. :up: perhaps the 3rd film? ;)

[C. Zejr]

Love the new suit. But in case you were wondering, this is what it looks like simplified:

http://i19.tinypic.com/4lzu0cj.jpgNice. :up:

[SpinyNorman]

What do you think the chances are that he upgrades the suit because "I can't move in this damn thing"?

[Juanigi]

I'm curious what updates were made, at least for functionality with the 'old' batsuit that will be used for ... at least half the movie? people who miss thick neck batman will still get it for at least a bit in the movie.I'm personally convinced that these are the only updates to the Begins suit you're going to see, and starting to doubt that the old suit will be in it at all. I can't really imagine them going to the trouble of making a new batch of the first design when some people are already pointing out how thick and rubbery it looks in comparison.

However, the new uniform looks close enough to the overall form and spirit of the first, that they could just pass it off as a "between-scenes" upgrade without making a big deal about it within the actual movie. Pointing out the "mistakes" they made would sort of negate the first film instead of letting it stand on its own.

I guess 2008 could prove me wrong.

[Jack Rabbit]

the only difference that i see is that there is no texture.

Awesome. You aren't looking very closely.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4185/batmansimpkf2.jpghttp://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8906/newbatmansuitgx4ej3.jpg

He combined major pieces, took out some of the Tron-esque quality from it, smoothed out random lines and what not. It doesn't look as intricate.

[afan]

Actually it reminds me more of Bruce having instant batarang access added to the Batsuit in "Batman Beyond."




Ouch.......if you're using the suit in Beyond as an example to de-emphasize the Iron-Man similarities you've lost the argument. That suit even granted the wearer enhanced strength and flight capabilities!

[batbat_29640]

It's not that the blue doesn't make sense to me at all, blue works very well for Batman in the comics.

It just really doesn't jive with the movie look that people are used to. Anyone who wants the movie suits to be blue shouldn't gripe at Nolan, they should gripe at Burton.
As far as using blue for contrast or balance of shading then yes. A dark or navy blue would reflect light differently at night and may give of a darker hue. But imo a Batman statue or action figure draped in black is alot more striking and believably frightning than one dressed in blue.

[Qwerty©]

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7872/tdksuitreviseak3.jpg
This is genius. I like the costume being used now, but this is a definite improvement and both sets of fans should be happy with it.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

haha! the avatar that took the SR boards by storm :D




Yes it did..

Hunter is the man!:yay:

[dario2739]

Perhaps, but that doesn't rationalize the shooting gauntlet aparatus.
Body armor is one thing but adding offensive weaponry like shooting gaunlets etc., does somewhat cross over to being Iron-Man ish

In the comics, Batman regularly throws mini-batarangs that 'stick into' people - also the comics show him continuously updating his arsenal and batmobile, so I can't see what the fuss about his gauntlets are.
I can see there being a scene in the film where the limitations of movement in the current BB suit are exposed by the Joker, almost resulting in an untimely end for Batman, causing him to redesign the suit, allowing him more freedom to move, and more protection too!

[cryptic name]

some of the segmented pieces he joined actually would restrict some some movement, like on the shoulder pad and the thigh plate.

[CFE]

Ouch.......if you're using the suit in Beyond as an example to de-emphasize the Iron-Man similarities you've lost the argument. That suit even granted the wearer enhanced strength!

No, that wasn't the point I was making. I won't deny the similarities between Beyond and Iron Man, considering in both situations, with the exception of McGinnis, the wearers were physically dependent on the capabilities of the suits; be it from physical illness or old age.

I was just pointing out that the idea of easy accessibility of gadgets has been in place in the Batman mythos for sometime now. "Beyond" is the easiest example, but I think there are quite a few in the comics as well.

Just a way of deterring those who think the idea of projectile gauntlet blades is ridiculous. While not exactly what's been done, the idea of that easy access isn't new to Batman.

CFE

[C. Zejr]

Ok, I had to do one of these. I know it's not great, try to ignore the symbol.

I like the idea of pieces of armor attached to a fabric base. Only, I was hoping they'd then cover the entire thing with maybe another layer of mesh. Sorta like a mesh/fabric/armor sandwich.(delicious right?) You'd see the armor, but it'd be less obvious.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7872/tdksuitreviseak3.jpgI like the idea.

[dark_b]

I never thought the yellow looked real good with the blue. Why is his belt yellow? I mean really...in the movie or in the comics?
i nthe movie it is yellow because this is what ox gave him.

[breyfogle_rules]

That's awful, not Batman.

Its technicaly an awful manip. I agree. But what I'm saying is, batman is blue with a grey suit. Many people seem to be disagreeing with me.
Is the sky also not blue?

[ArmyDragon92A]

Perhaps, but that doesn't rationalize the shooting gauntlet aparatus.
Body armor is one thing but adding offensive weaponry like shooting gaunlets etc., does somewhat cross over to being Iron-Man ish Are you insane? His gauntlets has darts in them. Electro shock fingers. Gas dispensing vents on the side of his mask. He's batman for christ's sake. I don't even like bats and even I know that only -he- would have something like that on his person at all times.

[dark_b]

some of the segmented pieces he joined actually would restrict some some movement, like on the shoulder pad and the thigh plate.
year 2005...batman doesnt move good.
2007 batman moves to good?
:woot:

you jsut got to love comic fans :cwink:

[CFE]

I like the concept.

Nah...I've had to go the entire fanboy portion of my life defending Batman from allegations of homosexual innuendo and undercurrents.

That suit concept doesn't help my defense.

I fail to see why people can't be satisfied with what we got for now. Now I could understand if we were seeing it in action and it looked sh**ty. But c'mon...as far as a static shot, it looks pretty friggin' cool!!!

CFE

[breyfogle_rules]

It's not that the blue doesn't make sense to me at all, blue works very well for Batman in the comics.

It just really doesn't jive with the movie look that people are used to. Anyone who wants the movie suits to be blue shouldn't gripe at Nolan, they should gripe at Burton.

Exactly. It is not what we are used to. But somewhere, in this infinite cosmos, exists a Batman movie where he is wearing blue and grey and it works.

They made spiderman bright red and that worked. Sheesh.

[afan]

In the comics, Batman regularly throws mini-batarangs that 'stick into' people - also the comics show him continuously updating his arsenal and batmobile, so I can't see what the fuss about his gauntlets are.



Throws, is the key word here. It accentuates the skill of the man not the gadget. The man in the suit is the threat not the suit itself.

[breyfogle_rules]

That's awful, not Batman.

What's not Batman about it?

[amazingfantasy15]

I like the slight redesign, the suit looks a little more like armor.

[Batman>all]

What's not Batman about it?

80 percent of the people on here love the suit

the other 20 percent are just whiners :woot:

[AdmNelson]

So, here's a question for everyone: on his gauntlets, there's a long, raised oval area that runs along the top of the forearm.

Do you think this is simply part of the armor (to absorb a blow from a club, say) -- or do you think this might be a raised panel that actually hinges open? (Underneath could be additional gear...)

-- Admiral Nelson

[dark_b]

Exactly. It is not what we are used to. But somewhere, in this infinite cosmos, exists a Batman movie where he is wearing blue and grey and it works.

They made spiderman bright red and that worked. Sheesh.the red could be mroe desaturated. the blue could be more blue.

[ad101867]

To those who don't like the new suit: your problem is basically that you don't like a filmmaker entertaining the idea of a Batman-type of character existing in the real world. You want the entire story-world to be a fantasy. For someone who likes the idea of Batman existing in the real world, this new suit is a realistic way to go. If you don't like this suit, then what you want is basically fantasy.

A plainer, more faithful suit isn't inherently scarier, convert it to screen and it'd be rather bland compared with all the muscle definition in the drawings.

This is a good point. Comic-book artists always add definition where you would not see any in a tight bodysuit on film - unless the same definitional look was added to the bodysuit, which in fact would look ridiculous. Live-action requires a different approach; I'm not sure why more people can't grasp that. Batman in a SWAT-inspired outfit, still being stealthy and pouncing on criminals unawares, would still inspire fear in the criminal mind.

Although they have gotten rid of my favorite element, the thick panther neck that everyone seems to hate.

Sorry, but I just don't get this: why would you want an area of the suit out of proportion with the rest of the suit and out of proportion with the physique of someone who's actually in great shape? The bulky neck was the single worst element of the Begins suit, although the whole thing overall was bulkier than it had to be.

I hope it doesn't ruin the realistic feel we had in BB.

On the contrary: this is even more realistic than Begins, because this is more of an advanced SWAT approach. In another post in another thread, before this new pic was published, I said the following:


Another suit-design option is a more conventional sleek and flexible bodysuit, with armour panels sewn into the fabric at key points - torso, of course, but also armour "wraps" around the biceps and forearms, and upper and lower legs. Leave all of the body's joint areas free and clear, and you can otherwise wrap the guy in armour panels.


This is apparently what Nolan and co. have decided to do, and it's very realistic in terms of what a wealthy vigilante with access to ample resources would do in order to protect himself while being flexible at the same time.

WAAAAY too high tech, more like commando batman.

"Commando" is, conceptually, very close to SWAT, and SWAT is a very realistic approach to take with a live-action Batman. Again (not sure why people don't get this), if a real-life person were going to become a disguised vigilante (with or without the bat motif), odds are that they would in fact go with some sort of SWAT-inspired outfit.

Look, people, Christopher Nolan is posing (and trying to answer) this question: What if Batman existed in the real world? Now, you may be a fan who wants a more fantasy-ish approach to such a story, and there's nothing inherently "wrong" with that - but you already had that with Tim Burton's Batman. So you already had your turn "at bat," so to speak. But there's also nothing "wrong" with an approach that tries to relate Batman to the real world, either. BUT, if we're going to put Batman in the "real world," then his suit and tools need also to be realistic. It is completely and undebatably realistic that a non-powered vigilante would take some inspiration from SWAT body-armour.

I think the Jim Lee Hush Style Batman suit can be replicated in an awesome way using the Spider-man/Superman suit material. Bale's in good enough shape to pull it off (unlike Keaton; thats why Keaton needed armor). I'm sick of being stuck with the armored suits for the films.

ANY non-powered vigilante would be a complete fool not to use body-armour for this kind of job. It has nothing to do with how good a shape someone's in! Sheesh, if you want fantasy, you're welcome to it; but it doesn't work in this kind of story.

So how the hell does Batman survive in TAS and the comics?

Body-armour. You seem unaware that in the comics and cartoons it is usually assumed, and often explicitly mentioned, that Bats wears armour (or at least a kevlar vest) underneath the skintight suit. It's just that in the comics and cartoons it is very easy to get away with a stylized or somewhat caricatured version of the human body wearing a skinsuit, and still make it look cool. This simply cannot be done in a live-action film. (Yes, it can be done with super-powered heroes because the audience gets the point that since they have powers they are not nearly as vulnerable. Batman does not fall into that category.)

The closest they could come to doing it without making it look stupid would be to have the same sort of suit used by the movie version of the Fantastic Four, plus the cape and cowel. I would have no problem with this, but to imagine such a suit that includes its own type of armour would in fact be to envision a type of armour that currently does not yet exist (though is theoretically possible (http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfilm81780frm17.showMessage?topicID=259.to pic)). So it depends on how futuristic, technologically speaking, you want Batman to be. At the current level of technology, a SWAT-inspired suit, with some modifications, is a very reasonable way to go.

And suddenly Batman will do some crazy stuff and getting some new weapons we've never seen before. I really hope it won't happen.

Why not? Is it reasonable to expect Batman would never come up with an improved suit design and new tools to accomplish his task?

8 out of 10,it looks too much like body armor.Even more so than the first film.

Which is kinda what a non-powered vigilante would do. So I'm not sure why it should be surprising. In comics the artists can get away with lots of things (such as a "painted-on" bodysuit) that would look flat-out stupid in live-action on a character who's supposed to be just an ordinary - and vulnerable - human being inside the suit.

The new suit as "busy." Batman's suit, when you think about it, is simply not as dynamic or eye-catching as many other superheroes' outfits. And that's as it should be. But to make it more interesting for a film audience, especially when it's an all-black suit, I don't see what the problem is with adding lines and contours to it.

Someday some movie maker is going to realize batman's costume is gray and midnight blue, not completely black.

Someday some comic-book colourist and a bunch of fans are going to realize that a gray-and-blue combination is rather stupid for someone who's supposed to be mimicking a bat. All-black (or even all-brown) makes far more sense.

I...thirst for something different after Nolan gave us a wonderfully done real-world version of Batman in BB.

Well . . . the story isn't finished yet, so why would you expect it to change its whole tone midway through? You'll have to wait for a different filmmaker's interpretation of the character and Gotham City.

Looks like Robocop.

There are resemblances - but only because Robocop himself looked like he was decked out in a souped-up body-armour. The Dark Knight suit actually looks like it was (a) inspired by SWAT armour, and (b) will be very mobile, unlike Robocop. As well, TDK's Batman is much more compact and streamlined than Robocop. So why point out only similarities when there are also huge differences?

Personally, I wish Nolan and company would have gone with a modified Begins suit.

Buddy, that's what they did. There are changes, sure, but I imagine that's where the word "modified" comes in. :whatever:

[Batman>all]

You guys do KNOW that Batman has many different takes on the character and people will have different interpretations of Batman right?

Can you all just accept the fact that this is Nolan's take on Batman? This is the way he views the character and it suits the direction that he started in BB.

[afan]

I was just pointing out that the idea of easy accessibility of gadgets has been in place in the Batman mythos for sometime now. "Beyond" is the easiest example, but I think there are quite a few in the comics as well.




True enough, but it's worth mentioning that when Neal Adams and Denny O'Neill rescued The Batman from the sixties campfest, and returned him to respectable levels, they pretty much stripped him of the proliferation of bat-gadgets.

[C. Zejr]

Nah...I've had to go the entire fanboy portion of my life defending Batman from allegations of homosexual innuendo and undercurrents.As I said, I like the concept, but I don't like the way it was presented.

That suit concept doesn't help my defense.I see.

I fail to see why people can't be satisfied with what we got for now. Now I could understand if we were seeing it in action and it looked sh**ty. But c'mon...as far as a static shot, it looks pretty friggin' cool!!!I'm satisfied.

[bunk]

Throws, is the key word here. It accentuates the skill of the man not the gadget. The man in the suit is the threat not the suit itself.


That was one of the ideas they used to illustrate the difference between Jean Paul Valley Batman and Bruce Wayne Batman.

[Sarge 2.0]

Exactly. It is not what we are used to. But somewhere, in this infinite cosmos, exists a Batman movie where he is wearing blue and grey and it works.

They made spiderman bright red and that worked. Sheesh.Apples and oranges.

You're right, somewhere in this infinite cosmos, a blue and gray Batman could work. In an alternate reality where the Burton movies never happened, that is.

[dario2739]

Throws, is the key word here. It accentuates the skill of the man not the gadget. The man in the suit is the threat not the suit itself.

ArmyDragon92A gets it right - Batman is a guy whose entire suit has hidden weapons for every eventuality, such as gas from the side of his mask to prevent it being removed - I still don't see why the gauntlets are a problem

[Juanigi]

in reference to this replacing an "updated" Begins suit during the movie:

I'm personally convinced that these are the only updates to the Begins suit you're going to see, and starting to doubt that the old suit will be in it at all. I can't really imagine them going to the trouble of making a new batch of the first design when some people are already pointing out how thick and rubbery it looks in comparison.

However, the new uniform looks close enough to the overall form and spirit of the first, that they could just pass it off as a "between-scenes" upgrade without making a big deal about it within the actual movie. Pointing out the mistakes they made would sort of negate the first film instead of letting it stand on its own.

I guess 2008 could prove me wrong.

[CFE]

True enough, but it's worth mentioning that when Neal Adams and Denny O'Neill rescued The Batman from the sixties campfest, and returned him to respectable levels, they pretty much stripped him of the proliferation of bat-gadgets.

Yes, but we're not in the seventies anymore. Our culture's cynicism and, frankly, ruthlessness seems to be rubbing off on comics. I remember reading the Batman Archive volumes, and how back in the 30s criminals would just stand by and wait for Batman to get to them as he fought them.

Batman's fighting his war, but each generation of criminal is being replaced by a newer, more vicious breed. Criminals won't hesitate, and they won't show compassion (the Butanese fight in BB is an obvious example.)

And as his war "escalates," Bruce needs that edge to keep a step ahead of his foes...

CFE

[dark_b]

You guys do KNOW that Batman has many different takes on the character and people will have different interpretations of Batman right?

Can you all just accept the fact that this is Nolan's take on Batman? This is the way he views the character and it suits the direction that he started in BB.there is no perfect world :woot:

watch equilibrium :ninja:

[Jack Rabbit]

some of the segmented pieces he joined actually would restrict some some movement, like on the shoulder pad and the thigh plate.

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact it looks cool.:huh:

[dark_b]

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact it looks cool.:huh:looks cool. doenst fit in nolasn gotham. IMO

[bunk]

Exactly. It is not what we are used to. But somewhere, in this infinite cosmos, exists a Batman movie where he is wearing blue and grey and it works.

They made spiderman bright red and that worked. Sheesh.


I don't think blue would work with a rubber costume, they'd need different materials. It's hard to even manip a rubber costume to be blue and grey.
I tried it here but it just looks black.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/438/tdkcardsh0.jpg

[Sarge 2.0]

You guys do KNOW that Batman has many different takes on the character and people will have different interpretations of Batman right?

Can you all just accept the fact that this is Nolan's take on Batman? This is the way he views the character and it suits the direction that he started in BB.Well, that argument isn't really going to get anywhere. There are two types of fanboys...those who blindly believe anything and everything related to their favorite character is mindblowingly awesome...and those who choose to piss and moan incessantly, refusing to enjoy any portrayals of a character that stray from their own interpretations.

The anti-suit/anti-Nolan people are the latter. The former (Nolanites), are just as annoying however.

[SpiderB]

The BB suit looked like actual high tech military armor.

This looks like a costume that's supposed to look like high tech armor. Typical superhero movie design, just like Iron Man or FF. They might give an in depth explanation as to what it is or how it works, but at the end of the day it still looks like a costume made for a movie. BB managed to avoid that.

Well, here's hoping it looks better to me later on.

[Tojo]

Some of the lines on the costume just look so random and arbitary. As in, what is the point please?

I can understand the seperations to make mobility more fluid, but the aerodynamic lines are just dumb imo.

[Batman>all]

in reference to this replacing an "updated" Begins suit during the movie:

I'm personally convinced that these are the only updates to the Begins suit you're going to see, and starting to doubt that the old suit will be in it at all. I can't really imagine them going to the trouble of making a new batch of the first design when some people are already pointing out how thick and rubbery it looks in comparison.

However, the new uniform looks close enough to the overall form and spirit of the first, that they could just pass it off as a "between-scenes" upgrade without making a big deal about it within the actual movie. Pointing out the mistakes they made would sort of negate the first film instead of letting it stand on its own.

I guess 2008 could prove me wrong.

Maybe it will be introduced in the 2nd half of TDK and then be there for the entire 3rd film of the new series. I really don't want a new suit again for the 3rd installment.

[Jack Rabbit]

looks cool. doenst fit in nolasn gotham. IMO

I love the fact that every other poster on these boards seem to have a complete, intimate understanding of how Nolan thinks, and can designate what does or doesn't fit in his Gotham.

Plus, the BBsuit was more single pieced, and streamlined.

Did that not belong in Nolan's Gotham?

Tell me, please.

[sinewave]

So, here's a question for everyone: on his gauntlets, there's a long, raised oval area that runs along the top of the forearm.

Do you think this is simply part of the armor (to absorb a blow from a club, say) -- or do you think this might be a raised panel that actually hinges open? (Underneath could be additional gear...)

-- Admiral Nelson

it could house some kind of electronic equipment, like a remote control for the tumbler.

[Dark Knight]

Actually it reminds me more of Bruce having instant batarang access added to the Batsuit in "Batman Beyond."

Efficiency at its finest. Almost like the KFM fighting style from "Begins," what's the point of digging into a utility belt pouch to get a batarang when it can just shoot it out from the gauntlet? It saves Batman time, and considering he is, for now, the only crime fighter protecting ALL of Gotham, time is something he holds precious.

It could mean the difference between life and death for a helpless victim.

CFE



True....

[RakuMon]

Well first I'll say I'm truly sorry for offending you. I don't want to argue, but I do feel I should defend myself. I really thought I was being as politically correct as I could. I just don't understand what makes it a fetish. I don't believe finding a certain type of person appealing over others is wrong unless it's for some sick reason. I didn't elude to anything like that in my post. It was completely hypothetical. The couple were simply placeholders who could have represented any type of people. The dude could have been of Asian decent himself. Looking back, it seems more insulting to white girls. Its my fault though. I should have thought it through completely. I'll attempt to edit the post.

It's cool, dude. I'm glad you're willing to dialogue though and not simply dismiss the opinion. :up:

My point was that Asian women get fetishized all the time simply for being Asian. That's what I got from your initial metaphor. The guy who was so psyched simply because he'd never "been with an Asian chick" came off a little insensitive. As if "Asian" was just a flavor a guy would like to try sometime.

I do understand what you were trying to say though. It just upsets me to see Asian women objectified in general. Here's a website that can shed some enlightenment on the notions of racial fetishes: http://www.racialicious.com/tag/racial-fetishes

[Steelsheen]

Who ever created these was pretty damn close.

Where is BatScot? I'm sure the new suit will make him go Bat*****.

its drawn by the guy who will do the TDK comic book movie adaptation (i'm sorry i forgot his name).

all this while we already had the comic image of the new TDK suit. geeze talk about clues right under your own nose. :dry:



So, here's a question for everyone: on his gauntlets, there's a long, raised oval area that runs along the top of the forearm.

Do you think this is simply part of the armor (to absorb a blow from a club, say) -- or do you think this might be a raised panel that actually hinges open? (Underneath could be additional gear...)

they're like brass knuckles. they said those retract into the suit.

[Dark Knight]

That was one of the ideas they used to illustrate the difference between Jean Paul Valley Batman and Bruce Wayne Batman.



Just because it might be able to shoot out....doesn't mean Batman won't be able to throw them either.....

[dark_b]

I love the fact that every other poster on these boards seem to have a complete, intimate understanding of how Nolan thinks, and can designate what does or doesn't fit in his Gotham.

Plus, the BBsuit was more single pieced, and streamlined.

Did that not belong in Nolan's Gotham?

Tell me, please.dont be mad because i know nolan personal :dry:

[Baba Ghanoush]

Well said ad101867, excellent post.

[breyfogle_rules]

Hey Jack Rabbit. As you can see here, I asked you a question.

Love that mesh idea.

As for the blue. I'm just saying. It could be done.

Take it or leave it folks...THIS is Batman.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9015/batsgoodlk5.jpg




That's awful, not Batman.

What's not Batman about it?

[dark_b]

its drawn by the guy who will do the TDK comic book movie adaptation (i'm sorry i forgot his name).

all this while we already had the comic image of the new TDK suit. geeze talk about clues right under your own nose. :dry:




they're like brass knuckles. they said those retract into the suit.i feel so dumb :dry:

the whole time.

[afan]

Yes, but we're not in the seventies anymore. Our culture's cynicism and, frankly, ruthlessness seems to be rubbing off on comics. I remember reading the Batman Archive volumes, and how back in the 30s criminals would just stand by and wait for Batman to get to them as he fought them.

Batman's fighting his war, but each generation of criminal is being replaced by a newer, more vicious breed. Criminals won't hesitate, and they won't show compassion (the Butanese fight in BB is an obvious example.)

And as his war "escalates," Bruce needs that edge to keep a step ahead of his foes...

CFE

But the edge should be The Batman. It's about instilling fear not escalating firepower.

Just to state my position on this suit overall allow me to paste my initial response from "The Batsuit Discussion" thread .........

This is not the suit of the worlds greatest detective, but sure is the suit of the worlds greatest SWAT team member, and if you're gonna go heavily armored Batman, this is most definitely an improvement on the BB design. Most notably the cowl and the cape(shorter, scallopped) and the appearance that what he is wearing is actually armor. Really don't like the idea of blades shooting from the gauntlets tho, but if a heavily armored Batman is the theme they probably make sense.

This interpretation is not my idea of the character, but I can recognize the quality of the suit's design given the premise.

[ArmyDragon92A]

True enough, but it's worth mentioning that when Neal Adams and Denny O'Neill rescued The Batman from the sixties campfest, and returned him to respectable levels, they pretty much stripped him of the proliferation of bat-gadgets. Actually no. They accentuated his use of them in a more real word manner. "Bat Shark Repellent" wouldn't show up as opposed to kevlar (which they added) or an "EMP" emitting batarang...or an explosive batarang. Or Shotgun mic technology in his bat ears.

[Showtime]

So the suit is going over well right here.

[Batman>all]

To those who don't like the new suit: your problem is basically that you don't like a filmmaker entertaining the idea of a Batman-type of character existing in the real world. You want the entire story-world to be a fantasy. For someone who likes the idea of Batman existing in the real world, this new suit is a realistic way to go. If you don't like this suit, then what you want is basically fantasy.



This is a good point. Comic-book artists always add definition where you would not see any in a tight bodysuit on film - unless the same definitional look was added to the bodysuit, which in fact would look ridiculous. Live-action requires a different approach; I'm not sure why more people can't grasp that. Batman in a SWAT-inspired outfit, still being stealthy and pouncing on criminals unawares, would still inspire fear in the criminal mind.



Sorry, but I just don't get this: why would you want an area of the suit out of proportion with the rest of the suit and out of proportion with the physique of someone who's actually in great shape? The bulky neck was the single worst element of the Begins suit, although the whole thing overall was bulkier than it had to be.



On the contrary: this is even more realistic than Begins, because this is more of an advanced SWAT approach. In another post in another thread, before this new pic was published, I said the following:



This is apparently what Nolan and co. have decided to do, and it's very realistic in terms of what a wealthy vigilante with access to ample resources would do in order to protect himself while being flexible at the same time.



"Commando" is, conceptually, very close to SWAT, and SWAT is a very realistic approach to take with a live-action Batman. Again (not sure why people don't get this), if a real-life person were going to become a disguised vigilante (with or without the bat motif), odds are that they would in fact go with some sort of SWAT-inspired outfit.

Look, people, Christopher Nolan is posing (and trying to answer) this question: What if Batman existed in the real world? Now, you may be a fan who wants a more fantasy-ish approach to such a story, and there's nothing inherently "wrong" with that - but you already had that with Tim Burton's Batman. So you already had your turn "at bat," so to speak. But there's also nothing "wrong" with an approach that tries to relate Batman to the real world, either. BUT, if we're going to put Batman in the "real world," then his suit and tools need also to be realistic. It is completely and undebatably realistic that a non-powered vigilante would take some inspiration from SWAT body-armour.



ANY non-powered vigilante would be a complete fool not to use body-armour for this kind of job. It has nothing to do with how good a shape someone's in! Sheesh, if you want fantasy, you're welcome to it; but it doesn't work in this kind of story.



Body-armour. You seem unaware that in the comics and cartoons it is usually assumed, and often explicitly mentioned, that Bats wears armour (or at least a kevlar vest) underneath the skintight suit. It's just that in the comics and cartoons it is very easy to get away with a stylized or somewhat caricatured version of the human body wearing a skinsuit, and still make it look cool. This simply cannot be done in a live-action film. (Yes, it can be done with super-powered heroes because the audience gets the point that since they have powers they are not nearly as vulnerable. Batman does not fall into that category.)

The closest they could come to doing it without making it look stupid would be to have the same sort of suit used by the movie version of the Fantastic Four, plus the cape and cowel. I would have no problem with this, but to imagine such a suit that includes its own type of armour would in fact be to envision a type of armour that currently does not yet exist (though is theoretically possible (http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfilm81780frm17.showMessage?topicID=259.to pic)). So it depends on how futuristic, technologically speaking, you want Batman to be. At the current level of technology, a SWAT-inspired suit, with some modifications, is a very reasonable way to go.



Why not? Is it reasonable to expect Batman would never come up with an improved suit design and new tools to accomplish his task?



Which is kinda what a non-powered vigilante would do. So I'm not sure why it should be surprising. In comics the artists can get away with lots of things (such as a "painted-on" bodysuit) that would look flat-out stupid in live-action on a character who's supposed to be just an ordinary - and vulnerable - human being inside the suit.

The new suit as "busy." Batman's suit, when you think about it, is simply not as dynamic or eye-catching as many other superheroes' outfits. And that's as it should be. But to make it more interesting for a film audience, especially when it's an all-black suit, I don't see what the problem is with adding lines and contours to it.



Someday some comic-book colourist and a bunch of fans are going to realize that a gray-and-blue combination is rather stupid for someone who's supposed to be mimicking a bat. All-black (or even all-brown) makes far more sense.



Well . . . the story isn't finished yet, so why would you expect it to change its whole tone midway through? You'll have to wait for a different filmmaker's interpretation of the character and Gotham City.



There are resemblances - but only because Robocop himself looked like he was decked out in a souped-up body-armour. The Dark Knight suit actually looks like it was (a) inspired by SWAT armour, and (b) will be very mobile, unlike Robocop. As well, TDK's Batman is much more compact and streamlined than Robocop. So why point out only similarities when there are also huge differences?



Buddy, that's what they did. There are changes, sure, but I imagine that's where the word "modified" comes in. :whatever:

:word::yay: I agree

[ArmyDragon92A]

But the edge should be The Batman. It's about instilling fear not escalating firepower.

Just to state my position on this suit overall allow me to paste my initial response from "The Batsuit Discussion" thread .........

This is not the suit of the worlds greatest detective, but sure is the suit of the worlds greatest SWAT team member, and if you're gonna go heavily armored Batman, this is most definitely an improvement on the BB design. Most notably the cowl and the cape(shorter, scallopped) and the appearance that what he is wearing is actually armor. Really don't like the idea of blades shooting from the gauntlets tho, but if a heavily armored Batman is the theme they probably make sense.

This interpretation is not my idea of the character, but I can recognize the quality of the suit's design given the premise.:dry:

Take this how you want it but you're on crack.

[Jack Rabbit]

breyfogle_rules, I saw your question. I didn't feel like arguing with you, so I ignored it.

But if you insist...

The blue/gray/oval Batman can never and will never work on-screen. If fact, I think it's a ****ty costume design, and as a result, rue the sight of any Jim Aparo books. I think it's a stupid idea, and belongs to a bygone era. It doesn't look like Batman to me. The ideal version of Batman I have in my mind, comprised of all the best moments and versions of him, is not that.

I think it sucks. :huh:

Okay?

[superkong 500]

So, still no hi-res picture of the complete suit pic?

[Asteroid-Man]

Can someone do a manip of the new costume with a grayer color on the body in the same areas as in this picture
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/images/batman1.jpg

Not as light though, I want the gloves, underbelt, legs, bat, cowl and cape BLACK and the rest DARK grey. Also something like this

http://www.andysmithart.com/images/Batman-color.jpg

and another where the grey in the last one is BLACK and the blue is alot darker.

[Hunter Rider]

So the suit is going over well right here.

Well...better than the supersuit did i'd say

[dark_b]

So the suit is going over well right here.
whats your opinion on hte new suit showtime?

[Steelsheen]

So the suit is going over well right here.

well....... its not as bad as the Supersuit debate.


...... yet.

[souloffire]

To those who don't like the new suit: your problem is basically that you don't like a filmmaker entertaining the idea of a Batman-type of character existing in the real world. You want the entire story-world to be a fantasy. For someone who likes the idea of Batman existing in the real world, this new suit is a realistic way to go. If you don't like this suit, then what you want is basically fantasy.




This is apparently what Nolan and co. have decided to do, and it's very realistic in terms of what a wealthy vigilante with access to ample resources would do in order to protect himself while being flexible at the same time.


Look, people, Christopher Nolan is posing (and trying to answer) this question: What if Batman existed in the real world? Now, you may be a fan who wants a more fantasy-ish approach to such a story, and there's nothing inherently "wrong" with that - but you already had that with Tim Burton's Batman. So you already had your turn "at bat," so to speak. But there's also nothing "wrong" with an approach that tries to relate Batman to the real world, either. BUT, if we're going to put Batman in the "real world," then his suit and tools need also to be realistic. It is completely and undebatable realistic that a non-powered vigilante would take some inspiration from SWAT body-armour.



I believe that A "realistic" Batman would have a simpler suit and not something that screams "I'm a billionaire". You can make Batman realistic without having him look like a robot.

[afan]

Actually no. They accentuated his use of them in a more real word manner. "Bat Shark Repellent" wouldn't show up as opposed to kevlar (which they added) or an "EMP" emitting batarang...or an explosive batarang. Or Shotgun mic technology in his bat ears.

He drove a Porsche? That was a large leap from the classic Bat-Mobile.

My post included "pretty much stripped", was not intended to imply a complete abandonment on technology.

[smatt584]

Covering the whole thing was the first thing i thought when i saw the new suit. But, being that this movie is probably still supposed to be relatively early in the Batman cannon, (if there is such a thing in the films), i like the direction they're going with this. First costume was a little too showy, not practical enough and a little thrown together, next one is much more effective, but much lighter on the asthetics. The third film should have a perfect blend of the two, which imo, should be like the doctored photos look with a construction much like the new suit, but with a couple of streamlined improvements and a consistant covering over it all. Though i think the whole Superman/Spiderman-fabric idea would look tacky. I mean, why the repitition, do all superheroes go to the same discount fabric store?. It should be a mat-black or deep, deep, deep blue under a jet-black cape, cowl, and gauntlets.
By looking at the gauntlets, i'd say that they don't look like they could literally "shoot" at people, but perhaps lie flat and come "shoot" out like quills much like new-goblin's wrist blades in spiderman 3. Being that there appear to be two sets on each arm, perhaps one will be permanant and the others can be removed and thrown like the bat symbols he threw in bb. Overall, i think that regardless of any misgivings, this is a good, logical progression for the series. Any opinions? (now there's a dumb question:)

[ArmyDragon92A]

Its technicaly an awful manip. I agree. But what I'm saying is, batman is blue with a grey suit. Many people seem to be disagreeing with me.
Is the sky also not blue? Welcome to 2007. Time to open up a Batman comic book.

[MARVELous M]

In my opionion, I dont really like the changes. I was happy with the simplicity of the Begins suit a lot better.

[Batman>all]

look at what someone on SHH made in the fan art section

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

:wow: :wow:

[COMPO]

yeag, i'm not liking the gaunlets shooting spikes or do they fold out and then pop out i'm not sure.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Besides, why the hell would a man who is an urban NINJA want BLUE and LIGHT GREY on his damn costume? Why!?!?

Geez...Practicality people. Thats what Bruce has always been about. And until you realize this I believe you'll always have a problem with the new costume(s).

[COMPO]

look at what someone on SHH made in the fan art section


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

:wow: :wow:

Love it. Where'd you get the background.

[smatt584]

Now that's badass.

[breyfogle_rules]

breyfogle_rules, I saw your question. I didn't feel like arguing with you, so I ignored it.

But if you insist...

The blue/gray/oval Batman can never and will never work on-screen. If fact, I think it's a ****ty costume design, and as a result, rue the sight of any Jim Aparo books. I think it's a stupid idea, and belongs to a bygone era. It doesn't look like Batman to me. The ideal version of Batman I have in my mind, comprised of all the best moments and versions of him, is not that.

I think it sucks. :huh:

Okay?

Ok.

[Batman>all]

Love it. Where'd you get the background.

I didn't make it.

It is in the Batman Sequel picture thread. So damn awesome

[Showtime]

Well...better than the supersuit did i'd say

That picture made it worse, they had about 200 different shots and chose that. :cmad:

[breyfogle_rules]

Welcome to 2007. Time to open up a Batman comic book.

Hmm. Lets see here. Most recent Detective in front of me. Opening up. Oh my. Yep. Still blue.

[ArmyDragon92A]

He drove a Porsche? That was a large leap from the classic Bat-Mobile.

My post included "pretty much stripped", was not intended to imply a complete abandonment on technology. erm. then why mention it :huh:

[breyfogle_rules]

Besides, why the hell would a man who is an urban NINJA want BLUE and LIGHT GREY on his damn costume? Why!?!?

Geez...Practicality people. Thats what Bruce has always been about. And until you realize this I believe you'll always have a problem with the new costume(s).

He just does. For the millionth time, the guy is blue.

[mcallima]

He just does. For the millionth time, the guy is blue.

Incorrect. In some comics he's blue. There is no definitive Batman colour scheme.

[Sarge 2.0]

He just does. For the millionth time, the guy is blue.Are you really arguing that Batman is definitively blue...just because certain colorers often paint him that way?

Because you've just destroyed your own argument...using the same logic, one could insist that Batman's suit is definitively black.


The suit color alternates, deal with it.

[Batman>all]

xwolverine2 made this picture :word:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

I think it pulls off the Batman look just fine :woot:

[batbat_29640]

Exactly. It is not what we are used to. But somewhere, in this infinite cosmos, exists a Batman movie where he is wearing blue and grey and it works.

They made spiderman bright red and that worked. Sheesh.
It was called Batman . . . came out in the 60's. had Adam West, Burt Ward, Alan Napier, Ceaser Romero, Berges Merideth, Frank Gorshin . . . it supposedly worked back then.

[regwec]

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9015/batsgoodlk5.jpg

That's just gorgeous!

Reflecting on the new suit a little longer, I have decided I rather like it. It is quite different from any Batman we have seen before, but it manages to look good, and it achieves the basics very well (or it would if they could just spend $1 on a small tin of black paint for the symbol).

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/TDK_new-bat-costume_EW_2007.jpg

Unlike the comics, but looks nice = I like.

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/heath_joker_ibelieveinharveydenttoo_2.jpg

Unlike the comic, and looks crap = I dislike.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/5a0935a8/SupermanReturns.jpg

Like the comic, but looks crap = I still dislike.

[breyfogle_rules]

Batman has always been a gadget ere and the suit is an exclamation of such. He receives no physical strengths from the suit, nor any high powered gene altering devices. He's always had mechanics in the suit which exemplifies his "always be prepared" motto.

This is true. And come to think of it, Ironman may have been Marvel's answer to a Batman type character. A regular human who uses his wealth and tools as his power to fight crime.

[batbat_29640]

He just does. For the millionth time, the guy is blue.
he started out in the 30s with a black/grey outfit. Went through the latter part of the 40's and continued into the 80's with a blue costume and now THANK GOD he's 'Back in Black' . . . hey hey hey hey hey

[ArmyDragon92A]

Hmm. Lets see here. Most recent Detective in front of me. Opening up. Oh my. Yep. Still blue.http://bdcomics.bdgamers.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/bm-dc-824.jpg
this one?

[bunk]

look at what someone on SHH made in the fan art section

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

:wow: :wow:


That is beautiful.

[Van Petrol]

I'm on the borderline at the moment, I'll wait for more pics, footage, etc...

[ArmyDragon92A]

He just does. For the millionth time, the guy is blue. you realize the first appearance of Batman had him as Black and Grey and not black and blue? So what are you trying to say? "Stay with the original colors" right? So you're vying for the wrong set of colors buddy.

[Steyin]

I wouldn't say the suit is made to look like a costume for a film. Its pretty damn close to the 2020 cop design, and is realistic in terms of whats available to us in kevlar/nomex gear today. I like this approach on the suit since its more rooted in our modern day military world, or at least where warfare is headed.

And funny enough, I've had the specs on the type of gloves used since December while doing my own research for costume design;

http://wileyx.com/EcommSuite/ProductDetail.aspx?ActivityCode=TACTICAL&SeriesCode=281&ProductLine=492,CAGBLK&ItemCode=G2302X

[breyfogle_rules]

Are you really arguing that Batman is definitively blue...just because certain colorers often paint him that way?

Because you've just destroyed your own argument...using the same logic, one could insist that Batman's suit is definitively black.


The suit color alternates, deal with it.

If we took every drawing of Batman from a DC title or TAS and sorted out the different color schemes, which pile do you think would be the highest?
I always use the "retard" defense with broad assumptions like this. For example, ask a retarded person "who flys in the sky" and he will say "Duperman!".
And if you ask him what color Batmans cape is he will say "Blue".
Alas, the comic book world is the province of tards.

[Jack Rabbit]

Besides, why the hell would a man who is an urban NINJA want BLUE and LIGHT GREY on his damn costume? Why!?!?

Geez...Practicality people. Thats what Bruce has always been about. And until you realize this I believe you'll always have a problem with the new costume(s).

It makes no sense.:huh:

But then again the Army's digis are supposedly urban camo. At least that's what all the soldiers I know tell me. They're like, pale green and grey? What the ****, Army? What the ****?

Another reason to hate the Army...

[CyberFaust]

i give the new suit about 7-8
he doesn't look as much like a bat now :(

[breyfogle_rules]

you realize the first appearance of Batman had him as Black and Grey and not black and blue? So what are you trying to say? "Stay with the original colors" right? So you're vying for the wrong set of colors buddy.

I like this idea and follow you completely. In fact, someone made this comment earlier and knowing this will help me enjoy a black caped Batman much more now. :yay:

[bunk]

If we took every drawing of Batman from a DC title or TAS and sorted out the different color schemes, which pile do you think would be the highest?
I always use the "retard" defense with broad assumptions like this. For example, ask a retarded person "who flys in the sky" and he will say "Duperman!".
And if you ask him what color Batmans cape is he will say "Blue".
Alas, the comic book world is the province of tards.


I'm gonna go get the sons of batman people on you!!











kidding:oldrazz:

[Steelsheen]

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/TDK_new-bat-costume_EW_2007.jpg

Unlike the comics, but looks nice = I like.

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/heath_joker_ibelieveinharveydenttoo_2.jpg

Unlike the comic, and looks crap = I dislike.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/5a0935a8/SupermanReturns.jpg

Like the comic, but looks crap = I still dislike.


this had me laughing. thats some formula Reg :woot:

[Shoemeister]

look at what someone on SHH made in the fan art section

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

:wow: :wow:


Ah, very cool!!! :batman:

[ArmyDragon92A]

It makes no sense.:huh:

But then again the Army's digis are supposedly urban camo. At least that's what all the soldiers I know tell me. They're like, pale green and grey? What the ****, Army? What the ****?

Another reason to hate the Army...
The current army camo's are designed for Sand/Urban war fare in places such as Iraq, and the Palestine's. Most buildings are colored the exact way we have our outfits designed.

[kingdomhearts]

Very impressive!

[batbat_29640]

I will always love Norm's artwork . . . but I can't believe someone's actually pushing for a blue batsuit.

[blind_fury]

Having armor sculpted like muscle never made much sense. Is he trying to fight crime or get laid?

The segmented Metal Gear Solid suit makes alot more sense in Nolan's universe.

[DSET]

ANY non-powered vigilante would be a complete fool not to use body-armour for this kind of job. It has nothing to do with how good a shape someone's in! Sheesh, if you want fantasy, you're welcome to it; but it doesn't work in this kind of story.

Agreed. Dead end was good for what is was: a short film. The spandex suit is un practical and it would be foolish for someone who doesn’t have any super powers. However in another filmmaker’s interpretation it may work, but not in Nolan’s vision.



The new suit as "busy." Batman's suit, when you think about it, is simply not as dynamic or eye-catching as many other superheroes' outfits. And that's as it should be. But to make it more interesting for a film audience, especially when it's an all-black suit, I don't see what the problem is with adding lines and contours to it.


As an artist I can tell you that too much detail always- always hurts the design. You can add the cuts in the armor in certain areas for a reason but some of them are quite unnecessary. It just clutters up the design of the suit and it takes away from the overall look.
Everyone loves Jim Lee including me; however his work is a prime example of using unnecessary lines. Him and David finch are my two favorite current artists if you look at their work they use allot of unnecessary lines for muscle definition, and believe me if they turned it down a tad it would look even better at times. You never see them adding unnecessary little divots and bezels in the character design. Keeping things simple is a principal you have to consider when designing you're characters. Adding lines for muscles and form is one thing adding lines for design elements and shapes for no reason is another.
Gears of War and MGS are both futuristic games and you see similar design elements from this Bat-suit in those games. And this is a real world Batman movie in the present time.
Think about how much more popular the design is for Kratos than it is for Fenix in Gears of war, Solid Snake design in MGS3 vs MGS4. The simple ones are always better, look at mcfarlanes venom vs the today venom, Mcfarlanes kills it. Although those are drawn and 3d characters its not really fair to compare to a live action movie design. But just look how many people love the dead end costume and thats just a short film. If you can add the simplicity of that suit with the mobility and strength of the current suit it would be amazing.
Since you appreciate the SWAT design look at Splinter cell and Rainbow Six character designs they still are less busy than this suit. They wear jackets with elbow pads and fisher wears a rubber suit with a vest. They clutter up the design by adding numerous ammo pouches, there all there for a reason. The numerous lines on batman’s abs and bull’s-eye design on his knee’s have no purpose. Overall the new suit is not bad but it’s not great its just got a little too much unnecessary design elements.

[Hunter Rider]

That picture made it worse, they had about 200 different shots and chose that. :cmad:

Heh,yeah it wasn't the best shot they could have used to reveal the new design

[MagicPrime]

There was an old Golden Age batman that had Batman showing Robin a ton of different colored batsuits. Anyone remember?

[batbat_29640]

hey guys . . . we all know that Norm Breyfogle ALWAYS draws his Batman blue right?
http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/batleap.jpg

[regwec]

Overall, I'm pleased with it. I love the new cowl, and I like the reference to the old oval. It's outline seems better.

I'm at a loss as to why they can't just paint the ****ing symbol black. Would it really be so much trouble? Some of the "hi tech" elements of the design seem like overkill, but I can live with it.

If I were asked to rate it as a design in isolation, I would give it a 10, but as a Batman suit, I'll allow it an 8.

[IamtheBatman]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

Old School type batman pic.

[sinewave]

I will always love Norm's artwork . . . but I can't believe someone's actually pushing for a blue batsuit.

i think it's just due to the fact that that's what he's familiar with. it doesn't appear that he was aware that batman's costume has traditionally been black and grey or that the blue comes from the fact that back in the old days they used blue as a highlight for black and someone misguidedly (in my opinion) took it a step farther and used blue as the main color of the cape, cowl, gloves and boots.

[Jack Rabbit]

The current army camo's are designed for Sand/Urban war fare in places such as Iraq, and the Palestine's. Most buildings are colored the exact way we have our outfits designed.

Wow. I didn't even look at your username. I'm biased. Our deserts are superior.:o

http://www.dressaday.com/digitalcamo.gif

Seriously, though. That works better in a desert enviroment than this?

http://www.imsplus.com/images/img_8364.JPG

C'mon...

[Steelsheen]

if i may weigh in on the Batman suit is blue or black.....


the Batman suit is meant to be black and grey. its just that early comic coloring isnt as sophisticated as it is today, so in order to give highlights to black they use blue coloring.

over the decades the blue parts of the suit increased because it gives a lighter feel to Batman, this is specially the times when the Batman franchise was criticized as being too dark and not good for the kids.

so bottom line is: the suit is black. it was meant that way. the blue was for highlight and shouldnt have overcompensated the black.

[regwec]

hey guys . . . we all know that Norm Breyfogle ALWAYS draws his Batman blue right?

Breyfogle is a penciller, not an inker. Obviously, someone with a poor aesthetic eye inked that drawing, which doesn't even look much like one of Norm's.

[The-Dark-Knight]

I know its personal opinion but i cant see why any one would dislike the new suit, i mean come on its effing awesome with a side order of awesomeness, i can understand people being on the bench or disliking the joker look but the new suit, i never liked the first one when i saw it first time, but feck could this be any cooler.

I cant believe people still want a fabric suit, it works in the comics, in the animated series but in a live action film?? it just wouldent work, i know Nolan wont please everybody but its still batman itsstill faithful to the source material, stop whining.

(and it looks nothing like robocop.)

[darknight7]

Looks like RoboBat...I'm going to wait for more pics, or see how it looks in action before I judge completely...


EDIT

I didn't even see the post before mine...about Robocop...lol


--dk7

[regwec]

if i may weigh in on the Batman suit is blue or black.....


the Batman suit is meant to be black and grey. its just that early comic coloring isnt as sophisticated as it is today, so in order to give highlights to black they use blue coloring.

over the decades the blue parts of the suit increased because it gives a lighter feel to Batman, this is specially the times when the Batman franchise was criticized as being too dark and not good for the kids.

so bottom line is: the suit is black. it was meant that way. the blue was for highlight and shouldnt have overcompensated the black.

That's entirely wrong, and I have detailed why a million times. In comics of any era you can find a blue-caped Batman in the same frame as a black-dressed character.

[batbat_29640]

Breyfogle is a penciller, not an inker. Obviously, someone with a poor aesthetic eye inked that drawing, which doesn't even look much like one of Norm's.
Please tell me you're not serious?

[FCEEVIPER]

Question, what issue of EW is this article suppose to come out on?

The Bat-article is not in todays EW with the O13 cover on it, maybe on next week's EW mag?

Thanks in advance.

[regwec]

Please tell me you're not serious?

Of course I'm serious. Did it sound like a joke? What don't you understand? I know that Norm has inked his own work (always with a blue Batman), but that isn't his raison d'etre.

[Steelsheen]

That's entirely wrong, and I have detailed why a million times. In comics of any era you can find a blue-caped Batman in the same frame as a black-dressed character.

ok Reg, tell me why.

[regwec]

I just did, with as much brevity as possible.

[batbat_29640]

Of course I'm serious. Did it sound like a joke? What don't you understand? I know that Norm has inked his own work (always with a blue Batman), but that isn't his raison d'etre.
I got that straight off of Norm's own website out of his personal library. Norm Breyfogle is first and formost a painter!!!! That is his work entirely.
And as far as the Blue vs. Black debate . . . even Bob Kane originally drew and painted Batman in black.
http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/batkane.jpg
btw . . . how's your crow?

[regwec]

Fine, but Norm has't painted many comics, which is what I'm talking about. I hardly recognised the pic you posted as one of his, probably for that reason.

I know that Batman's first appearance was black/grey, I'm just at pains to refute the idea that Batman has always supposed to be in black, even when clearly in blue.

Who brought up Norm anyway?

[Baba Ghanoush]

Overall, I'm pleased with it. I love the new cowl, and I like the reference to the old oval. It's outline seems better.

I'm at a loss as to why they can't just paint the ****ing symbol black. Would it really be so much trouble? Some of the "hi tech" elements of the design seem like overkill, but I can live with it.

If I were asked to rate it as a design in isolation, I would give it a 10, but as a Batman suit, I'll allow it an 8.

Are pigs flying? Did Hell freeze over?

[FCEEVIPER]

Question, what issue of EW is this article suppose to come out on?

The Bat-article is not in todays EW with the O13 cover on it, maybe on next week's EW mag?

Thanks in advance.

[regwec]

Eh?

[BatMaster]

I think this is by far the worst Batman suit ever designed. I agree with most of the previous posters that didn't like it. He looks like Bibleman, swat and a robot. The new suit is also very busy looking, way too much going on. I was hoping for a simple design. Something similar to the Begins suit with a few adjustments. One thing I'm hoping is that this is a picture of a special combat suit Batman wears at the end of the movie. Sort of like a one time thing.

And for those of you that think this is a great suit because it offers him mobility. I'm sure they could have achived this with a better suit. Afterall they have the advantage of being on a film set and have all kinds of movie tricks available to them.

And I also think Nolan is really messing this franchise up. People that think superhero movies should be realistic always shock me. THEY ARE SUPERHERO MOVIES! I'm all for the direction Nolan was heading for in Batman Begins but I felt he over explained things and tried to hard to make it real. I was hoping that he had learned from his mistakes but judging from the Joker pic and this pic it looks like we are in for more of the same.

[sasquatchs]

And I also think Nolan is really messing this franchise up. People that think superhero movies should be realistic always shock me. THEY ARE SUPERHERO MOVIES! I'm all for the direction Nolan was heading for in Batman Begins but I felt he over explained things and tried to hard to make it real. I was hoping that he had learned from his mistakes but judging from the Joker pic and this pic it looks like we are in for more of the same.

Not really, the only thing he went to pains to explain was Batman, and that's mostly done now. All the other elements, while justified, were breezed over quite efficiently.

[Steelsheen]

I got that straight off of Norm's own website out of his personal library. Norm Breyfogle is first and formost a painter!!!! That is his work entirely.
And as far as the Blue vs. Black debate . . . even Bob Kane originally drew and painted Batman in black.
http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/batkane.jpg


this and the comics that soon followed it, is actually what i remember and what i hold as a standard.

I just did, with as much brevity as possible.
and i hoped you understood my previous post as well.

if you're referring to Silver age work and onwards, then yes i will agree with you-- Batman for the most part was colored blue (read the part where i said Batman was criticized for being too dark and his influence on kids). but the original intention was to have Batman colored black and grey. the blue was originally just for highlight.

[CaptainStacy]

I love it! Very impressive. :batman: :bat: :up:

If i were a criminal mugging some old lady in some dark Gotham alley, and this cat came swinging down on me from out of nowhere, i might literally crap my pants. :yay:

[regwec]

Okay, but what I mean to say is that Batman, at least post 70s, was blue and grey because artists and editors wanted him that way, not because he got that way by accident.

I possibly overreacted because I sensed people dissin' the blue.

[3 Dev Adam]

look at what someone on SHH made in the fan art section

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5440/thedarkknighths1.jpg

:wow: :wow:

Hm. In context, it's starting to look acceptable.

[xwolverine2]

xwolverine2 made this picture :word:



I think it pulls off the Batman look just fine :woot:

:woot: :heart:

[xwolverine2]

That is beautiful.

:D :up: :up: :up:

[DSET]

I think this is by far the worst Batman suit ever designed. I agree with most of the previous posters that didn't like it. He looks like Bibleman, swat and a robot. The new suit is also very busy looking, way too much going on. I was hoping for a simple design. Something similar to the Begins suit with a few adjustments. One thing I'm hoping is that this is a picture of a special combat suit Batman wears at the end of the movie. Sort of like a one time thing.

And for those of you that think this is a great suit because it offers him mobility. I'm sure they could have achived this with a better suit. Afterall they have the advantage of being on a film set and have all kinds of movie tricks available to them.

And I also think Nolan is really messing this franchise up. People that think superhero movies should be realistic always shock me. THEY ARE SUPERHERO MOVIES! I'm all for the direction Nolan was heading for in Batman Begins but I felt he over explained things and tried to hard to make it real. I was hoping that he had learned from his mistakes but judging from the Joker pic and this pic it looks like we are in for more of the same.
welcome to the hype

Batman is overall a more realistic character than the other popular comic book characters right now. Because he has no superpowers and theres less fantasy elemenst involved in it. Theres millions of comic book movies coming out these days if you dont like realism and you want everything to be fantasy. Just dont watch the one batman movie, go watch iron man fantastic four spiderman avengers watchmen wanted wolverine etc. Four Batman movies came out before BB and they all had fantasy elements in them. Much more than BB so how can you complain when Nolan made things more real and the whole world: comic fans and critics alike loved it.

[sinewave]

Okay, but what I mean to say is that Batman, at least post 70s, was blue and grey because artists and editors wanted him that way, not because he got that way by accident.

I possibly overreacted because I sensed people dissin' the blue.

i'm dissin' the blue and will continue to. it's ugly and i prefer the black and grey, like he was originally intended to look. and he did turn blue as a natural progression from the black with blue highlights to straight-up blue. there that's settled. let's move the **** on.

[sithlord986]

I don't post very often, but here are my thoughts on the new batsuit.
#1....it's looking sweet, i love the fact that bale will be able to move his neck around.
#2....I understand when people are getting upset b/c it is so different from the BB suit BUT, it has been rumored that he has to change suits mid-movie so what if this is just the new quick suit he puts on and by the end he does his whole paint job over it again and we get a completely black suit, just with the new looking armor?

[pjspider1C]

To me looks like they took a previous Batman action figure and made a costume out of it... I'm not really in favor of that...

[regwec]

and he did turn blue as a natural progression from the black with blue highlights to straight-up blue.

I didn't actually dispute that, but you probably didn't understand.

[Rynan]

I just keep seeing an image of the Steel suit when I look at that picture.

It haunts me.

[Steelsheen]

I don't post very often, but here are my thoughts on the new batsuit.
#1....it's looking sweet, i love the fact that bale will be able to move his neck around.
#2....I understand when people are getting upset b/c it is so different from the BB suit BUT, it has been rumored that he has to change suits mid-movie so what if this is just the new quick suit he puts on and by the end he does his whole paint job over it again and we get a completely black suit, just with the new looking armor?

i'm not quite sure i'm following you man, but as far as we know, this suit is it. the first suit he wears is the BB suit, halfway through he switches to this and will remain that way until credits roll.

[batbat_29640]

Fine, but Norm has't painted many comics, which is what I'm talking about. I hardly recognised the pic you posted as one of his, probably for that reason.

I know that Batman's first appearance was black/grey, I'm just at pains to refute the idea that Batman has always supposed to be in black, even when clearly in blue.

Who brought up Norm anyway?
Oh that was just a bit of sarcasm with Breyfogle_Rules<which I agree btw< and his Batman IS Blue debate. And yes we all know that Batman has been colored blue in the past. Not by choice of artists but by choice of the powers that were at DC at the time.

[regwec]

Many artists have decided and continue to decide on blue over black. Nowadays, there appears to be no editorial policy in favour of either, but blue broadly predominates.

[BatMaster]

welcome to the hype

Batman is overall a more realistic character than the other popular comic book characters right now. Because he has no superpowers and theres less fantasy elemenst involved in it. Theres millions of comic book movies coming out these days if you dont like realism and you want everything to be fantasy. Just dont watch the one batman movie, go watch iron man fantastic four spiderman avengers watchmen wanted wolverine etc. Four Batman movies came out before BB and they all had fantasy elements in them. Much more than BB so how can you complain when Nolan made things more real and the whole world: comic fans and critics alike loved it.

There is nothing real about a man that has a secret cave, flies through a city on his cape, drives his car across rooftops and fights crime so I don't see why Nolan is trying to make it so realistic. I'm not saying I don't like the idea but Nolan is just going overboard.

But it is a little strange if you think about it. Nolan wants realism yet gives Batman a cape that re-aligns molecules, stiffens and allows him to fly. If Nolan wanted reality he wouldn't be giving Batman so many hi-tech gadgets. He would dumb the costume and gadgets down. Let's be honest here Nolan doesn't know what he is doing.

[Steelsheen]

There is nothing real about a man that has a secret cave, flies through a city on his cape, drives his car across rooftops and fights crime so I don't see why Nolan is trying to make it so realistic. I'm not saying I don't like the idea but Nolan is just going overboard.

But it is a little strange if you think about it. Nolan wants realism yet gives Batman a cape that re-aligns molecules, stiffens and allows him to fly. If Nolan wanted reality he wouldn't be giving Batman so many hi-tech gadgets. He would dumb the costume and gadgets down. Let's be honest here Nolan doesn't know what he is doing.


i..... dont know what to say. :dry:

[The True Batman]

My opinions, bash them as you see fit...

Pros: Cowl, the "easier to see" bat symbol, consistency with BB costume.

Cons: Robo-cop/riot police armor on the arms and legs(I don't mind the abs), the "drooping" belt look, and "projectile" arm razors (hopefully they don't really shoot).

At the moment I have my complaints, but I'm mostly indifferent, I'll have to see it in a better picture/lighting.

[batbat_29640]

Many artists have decided and continue to decide on blue over black. Nowadays, there appears to be no editorial policy in favour of either, but blue broadly predominates.
Hey no argument here. And as much as I HATE Batman & Robin . . . Clooney's suit was indeed a blue color and it worked to give off a Black look.

[PretentiousMan]

I think that the correct answer is that people should stop pretending that they know EXACTLY why Nolan does what he does.

[The Sage]

There is nothing real about a man that has a secret cave, flies through a city on his cape, drives his car across rooftops and fights crime so I don't see why Nolan is trying to make it so realistic. I'm not saying I don't like the idea but Nolan is just going overboard.

But it is a little strange if you think about it. Nolan wants realism yet gives Batman a cape that re-aligns molecules, stiffens and allows him to fly. If Nolan wanted reality he wouldn't be giving Batman so many hi-tech gadgets. He would dumb the costume and gadgets down. Let's be honest here Nolan doesn't know what he is doing.

Welcome to the Hype. And that's quite the interesting post. Makes the Sage think. :wow:

i..... dont know what to say. :dry:

Yeah that's one of the stiffest posts I've ever read.

[dark_b]

There is nothing real about a man that has a secret cave, flies through a city on his cape, drives his car across rooftops and fights crime so I don't see why Nolan is trying to make it so realistic. I'm not saying I don't like the idea but Nolan is just going overboard.

But it is a little strange if you think about it. Nolan wants realism yet gives Batman a cape that re-aligns molecules, stiffens and allows him to fly. If Nolan wanted reality he wouldn't be giving Batman so many hi-tech gadgets. He would dumb the costume and gadgets down. Let's be honest here Nolan doesn't know what he is doing.nolan is not doing a realistic flying batman. he tryed to show you a practical batman that is in a 'realistic' world.

if you look at BB its still movei fantasy.

so i dont knwo where you go this realistic stuff.

[1000 Miles]

Hi all,

Long-time reader, occasional poster... takes something like a new Batsuit to draw me out into the open..!

I personally think it's a great improvement on the BB suit - obviously the neck is much better, and should allow for more convincing action scenes in TDK... hell... having Batman, who isn't known for being chatty, just nod, or shake his head in answer to a question would be something we haven't seen before... imagine, Bale snatching a gun off a thug and just shaking his head slowly before punching him out. :yay:

My only minor concern is that the reason for the costume change may be contrived, although if it is to distinguish him from the rumoured imposter / copycat Batman, or even a just a few words of dialogue explaining Bruce's need to upgrade and refine the suit, I could swallow that... I'm just hoping it won't descend into the "gee, a new villain, I need a new suit" that the Schumacher movies suffered from

Anyway, the litmus test for the new suit:

My girlfriend said: "Is it different to the last one?" Which is a GOOD response. We fanboys notice the improvements, but there is enough continuity in design for the casual moviegoer

The guys down the comic store gave it a resounding thumbs up. They noticed the slight colour contrast between suit and boots/gloves in particular... "the closest we've had to the black/gray Batman on film" and "like Matt Wagners Batman meets a stormtrooper, said another."

The scene looks badass too. Standing on the roof of a police squad car, it bending slightly under his weight. I can imagine him barking something like, "you going to let me do my job?" to a simpering cop

Anyway, enough from me.. it's late here in the UK. My final say: 10/10

[Two-Face]

There is nothing real about a man that has a secret cave, flies through a city on his cape, drives his car across rooftops and fights crime so I don't see why Nolan is trying to make it so realistic. I'm not saying I don't like the idea but Nolan is just going overboard.

But it is a little strange if you think about it. Nolan wants realism yet gives Batman a cape that re-aligns molecules, stiffens and allows him to fly. If Nolan wanted reality he wouldn't be giving Batman so many hi-tech gadgets. He would dumb the costume and gadgets down. Let's be honest here Nolan doesn't know what he is doing.

Yeah sure he doesn't:whatever: two pictures, Nolan doesn't know anything about Batman.:oldrazz:

[JackBauer24]

You people are all crazy. Apart from regwec, that is - the only sane man here.

That HORRIBLE Joker pic that makes him look like some kind of perverted tranny comes out and you all fall over yourself to praise it.

Then this AWESOME new suit comes up and you all can't stop *****ing about how 'too busy' it is. Face it, a fabric suit would look dumb. It looked dumb in the 60s and it would look dumb now. I LOVE the new suit and especially the new cowl which completely sh**s all over BB's fat necked abomination.

What is wrong with everybody?! He looks f***ing bad-ass!

[The Sage]

People would be better off saying Nolan's making a fantasy film but is trying to give realistic explanations for certain elements to make it easier to believe.

[AidanJames]

First off I want to say that I love the suit as it is... but since everyone seems to want their say on it...

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6953/lodaj7.jpg


Just a quick and dirty of what the suit would look like if I had anything to do with it. Basically go with the black cowl, glove/braces, and boots look with lighter costume... oh and since the belt is so damned bright to begin with I figure having the emblem stand out doesn't make much of a difference.

If I had a bit more time it would be cleaner, and I'd probably lighten the 'chain mail' looking fabric lighter than the 'armor' as well. But as I said... quick and dirty.

[Steelsheen]

You people are all crazy. Apart from regwec, that is - the only sane man here.

That HORRIBLE Joker pic that makes him look like some kind of perverted tranny comes out and you all fall over yourself to praise it.

Then this AWESOME new suit comes up and you all can't stop *****ing about how 'too busy' it is. Face it, a fabric suit would look dumb. It looked dumb in the 60s and it would look dumb now. I LOVE the new suit and especially the new cowl which completely sh**s all over BB's fat necked abomination.

What is wrong with everybody?! He looks f***ing bad-ass!

all of us?

you bother to even read our posts other than Regwec's?

[sinewave]

I didn't actually dispute that, but you probably didn't understand.

sorry, but i'm sick of seeing people talk out of their asses about this stuff.

[Skip Rockhard]

Love the new suit. Its practical. This isn't about 'realism'. It just...makes sense. If you're going to be fighting criminals all the time, going up against gunfire and still needing the range of motion then you'll want something like the new suit.

The comments about it looking more like a motorcycle suit are interesting. It does seem to fit with the needs of a motorcycle. But to me, I can see how with all the 'escalation' he'd need a much more protective suit.

I don't see the problems everyone has with the suit except for the armor being broken up so much. Obviously the movie isn't by any means a direct adaptation, visually, of the comics.

[Spider-Bite]

I'm having trouble judging this. Originally when I saw the bat costume for Batman Begins I wasn't real impressed. I didn't think it sucked, but it just seemed unbatmanish to me.

then when I saw it in the movie, and how it was used with the lighting, I thought it worked great.

Looking at this it looks like Robo Batman to me right now, which is why I voted 5. But that could change. However I'm nervous that they might be going overkill on technologizing the look of Batman. I'm glad his head can move, but what's with the gloves shooting at people?

I do think it kind of looks like Bruce Wayne is stuck inside of some kind of robot.

maybe it will work in the movie, but I don't know. I wasn't pleased with what I saw of Joker either. It didn't look right.

but at the same time I saw Venom in several early stages and I thought it looked like crap. the movie version looked completely different and freaking awesome, even though the movie still disapointed.

[The Squirrel]

I don't know if I like it or not.

It's cool that Batman can move his head now.

But I have to see more of it before I make my final decision.

[The Sage]

You people are all crazy. Apart from regwec, that is - the only sane man here.

That HORRIBLE Joker pic that makes him look like some kind of perverted tranny comes out and you all fall over yourself to praise it.

Then this AWESOME new suit comes up and you all can't stop *****ing about how 'too busy' it is. Face it, a fabric suit would look dumb. It looked dumb in the 60s and it would look dumb now. I LOVE the new suit and especially the new cowl which completely sh**s all over BB's fat necked abomination.

What is wrong with everybody?! He looks f***ing bad-ass!

I'm not even gonna bother discussing why comparing a fabric suit from the 60s to a potential one of the modern day age doesn't make any sense. It's like comparing Superman flying scenes from the 70s to those of today.

Personally I think the Joker pic is a 5/10, a F.

I think this Batman pic is a 8/10, which makes it a B.......





B as in also busy, because that's how the suit looks and that's the bottom line!!!! :oldrazz: :cwink:

[bunk]

i'm not quite sure i'm following you man, but as far as we know, this suit is it. the first suit he wears is the BB suit, halfway through he switches to this and will remain that way until credits roll.


It's going to be bittersweet to see the old suit in the beginning of TDK.

[sasquatchs]

It's going to be bittersweet to see the old suit in the beginning of TDK.

I'm hoping they don't try and hide all the chest and shoulder problems this time, so it shows the difference in sharp relief. Looking forward to Gordons, and possibly Dent's reaction to the change.

[bunk]

Yeah sure he doesn't:whatever: two pictures, Nolan doesn't know anything about Batman.:oldrazz:


No, it's true! I saw Nolan walking backwards down the street yesterday!!

Backwards! Can you believe it?









:whatever:

[DSET]

People would be better off saying Nolan's making a fantasy film but is trying to give realistic explanations for certain elements to make it easier to believe.
agreed
but all I was explaining to him is that look theres tons of other superhero movies coming out and other comics to read. Compare batman to 95% of them and batman is more relaistic, that is all. Obviously in the real world he is not, but considering theres a 100 comic book movies coming out these days. I think its great that these new Batman movies are less fantasy and thus more realistic and more believable than the previous ones.

[TheBat812]

The ONLY reason the suit started looking blue was because of shading. Then morons started to use a blue suit regularly. It's not at all bat-like, and it doesn't help him in any way, so I don't see why it's at all liked. Just because it's "accurate" to the comics, doesn't mean it's good.

[BatMaster]

Why does everyone love Nolan so much? Batman Begins was slow, boring, dumb at some points(rooftop driving?) and he missed the mark.

Batman is by far my favorite superhero but if I had to pick the movies that are getting it right I'd go with Spiderman.

[bunk]

I'm hoping they don't try and hide all the chest and shoulder problems this time, so it shows the difference in sharp relief. Looking forward to Gordons, and possibly Dent's reaction to the change.


Cut to a rooftop meeting:

Gordon: "Damn son, looks like you finally did something about that fat neck."

Dent: "Straight up! I was about to buy stock in black dish gloves!"

Batman: "Screw you guys."

[DSET]

I'm not even gonna bother discussing why comparing a fabric suit from the 60s to a potential one of the modern day age doesn't make any sense. It's like comparing Superman flying scenes from the 70s to those of today.

Personally I think the Joker pic is a 5/10, a F.

I think this Batman pic is a 8/10, which makes it a B.......

B as in also busy, because that's how the suit looks and that's the bottom line!!!! :oldrazz: :cwink:
sorry i gotta say this but 80% is an A-
79% is a B+

but guy wait till more joker pics come out, I gaurantee people are gonna start to come around. If theres stages to his appearance, and the one we saw was the final its going to be even better.

[Baba Ghanoush]

Why does everyone love Nolan so much? Batman Begins was slow, boring, dumb at some points(rooftop driving?) and he missed the mark.

Batman is by far my favorite superhero but if I had to pick the movies that are getting it right I'd go with Spiderman.

Oh hi Jokerz

[Sarge 2.0]

If we took every drawing of Batman from a DC title or TAS and sorted out the different color schemes, which pile do you think would be the highest?
I always use the "retard" defense with broad assumptions like this. For example, ask a retarded person "who flys in the sky" and he will say "Duperman!".
And if you ask him what color Batmans cape is he will say "Blue".
Alas, the comic book world is the province of tards.Are you trying to make yourself look stupid? Because if you are, it's working really well. :huh:

[The Sage]

sorry i gotta say this but 80% is an A-
79% is a B+

but guy wait till more joker pics come out, I gaurantee people are gonna start to come around. If theres stages to his appearance, and the one we saw was the final its going to be even better.

80% is a B. 79% is a C.

We must be from different countries. :)

[IamtheBatman]

Why does everyone love Nolan so much? Batman Begins was slow, boring, dumb at some points(rooftop driving?) and he missed the mark.

Batman is by far my favorite superhero but if I had to pick the movies that are getting it right I'd go with Spiderman.

Yeah, watch TDK blow away SM3.

[Superman4ever]

Why does everyone love Nolan so much? Batman Begins was slow, boring, dumb at some points(rooftop driving?) and he missed the mark.

Batman is by far my favorite superhero but if I had to pick the movies that are getting it right I'd go with Spiderman.

You're in a small minority, but most of us thought BB was brilliant.

[donk70]

You people are all crazy. Apart from regwec, that is - the only sane man here.

That HORRIBLE Joker pic that makes him look like some kind of perverted tranny comes out and you all fall over yourself to praise it.

Then this AWESOME new suit comes up and you all can't stop *****ing about how 'too busy' it is. Face it, a fabric suit would look dumb. It looked dumb in the 60s and it would look dumb now. I LOVE the new suit and especially the new cowl which completely sh**s all over BB's fat necked abomination.

What is wrong with everybody?! He looks f***ing bad-ass!
Ummm, what happens if you think they both suck?

[bunk]

the hell is you avatar?^^

[DSET]

80% is a B. 79% is a C.

We must be from different countries. :)
yeah Im in Canada

so schools in the US 80% is a B
whats an A? 90%?

anyhow
what do you's people think the new feature on the cape is?
I really have no clue

[ultimatefan]

You people are all crazy. Apart from regwec, that is - the only sane man here.

That HORRIBLE Joker pic that makes him look like some kind of perverted tranny comes out and you all fall over yourself to praise it.

Then this AWESOME new suit comes up and you all can't stop *****ing about how 'too busy' it is. Face it, a fabric suit would look dumb. It looked dumb in the 60s and it would look dumb now. I LOVE the new suit and especially the new cowl which completely sh**s all over BB's fat necked abomination.

What is wrong with everybody?! He looks f***ing bad-ass!

Chill out, dude. Most people here clearly liked the new suit. Check the poll. The Joker pic took a lot more criticism, and if you ask me, that´ll change soon enough as well...

[Jack Rabbit]

Cut to a rooftop meeting:

Gordon: "Damn son, looks like you finally did something about that fat neck."

Dent: "Straight up! I was about to buy stock in black dish gloves!"

Batman: "Screw you guys."


:up::woot:

[Crook]

yeah Im in Canada

so schools in the US 80% is a B
whats an A? 90%?
Yup.

anyhow
what do you's people think the new feature on the cape is?
I really have no clue
Some sort of stealth-camouflage would be sweet as hell. Goes along with the combat theme the suit is going for. :up:

[Rezzo]

the hell is you avatar?^^

Promo video from Nine Inch Nails for the new album Year Zero

[Sarge 2.0]

the hell is you avatar?^^Go out and buy the new album "Year Zero" by Nine Inch Nails, and click the links in my signature.

Not necessarily in that order, mind you.

[Timstuff]

Will purist please give it a break? Nolan's Batman will NEVER have black and gray, and it will NEVER have manties. Personally, I think that they might have gone just a pinch overboard with the "tech-armor" look in this suit, but I'm sure within the context of the story it will make sense, and I love that his head finally has free movement. I personally felt the Batman Begins suit was the best incarnation of Batman's suit I've seen, but I am digging this one too. It will be interesting to see where they go with Batman 3, but I can already guarantee you all that it will NOT be a set of gray and black tights with manties. Hopefully, his final suit in the trilogy will be something along the lines of BB but more form fitting and flexible. The new cowl in TDK is a great example of ways they can keep improving.

[superkong 500]

Yup.


Some sort of stealth-camouflage would be sweet as hell. Goes along with the combat theme the suit is going for. :up:

You know that suddenly made me think of aliens, the scene in which the aliens first attack.One of The marines(its a woman I forgot her name) is giving her back to the wall and you see that everything looks black but that there's something that looks like architecture protuding the wall. and then it starts to move and unfold and its an alien that was camouflaged against the wall and it grabs the marine and lifts her up out of frame. We know batman did something similar in BB. But what if in this one he covers with the cape and activates it while he leans against a concrete wall, while a couple of thugs do some operation or something. one of them looks to the wall and suddenly batman opens his eyes(which will sort of look like if the wall was alive) the guy screams and batman leaps from the wall and grabs the guy and disappears.

[Crook]

You know that suddenly made me think of aliens, the scene in which the aliens first attack.One of The marines(its a woman I forgot her name) is giving her back to the wall and you see that everything looks black but that there's something that looks like architecture protuding the wall. and then it starts to move and unfold and its an alien that was camouflaged against the wall and it grabs the marine and lifts her up out of frame. We know batman did something similar in BB. But what if in this one he covers with the cape and activates it while he leans against a concrete wall, while a couple of thugs do some operation or something. one of them looks to the wall and suddenly batman opens his eyes(which will sort of look like if the wall was alive) the guy screams and batman leaps from the wall and grabs the guy and disappears.
That's exactly what I had imagined. It would look creepy as hell, further stressing (to the criminals anyway) that Bats is some supernatural being. This is a case where advanced technology actually helps the mystical nature of the character.

[Sarge 2.0]

Oh my God. This page is where smart people go to die. :(

I was going to respond to some of this...but it's just way too depressing.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Why does everyone love Nolan so much? Batman Begins was slow, boring, dumb at some points(rooftop driving?) and he missed the mark.

Not to pull the whole "majority is always right" card, but obviously if "everyone" loves Nolan's Batman, he's doing something right. Its funny, I've watched Spider-Man 1 a few times, Spider-Man 2 twice (and I dont know if I plan on watching it again), yet I've seen Batman Begins at least 5 or 6 times. Spider-Man is good, but it isn't made nowhere nearly as well as Batman Begins nor is as watchable.

[uchiha_itachi]

Yup.


Some sort of stealth-camouflage would be sweet as hell. Goes along with the combat theme the suit is going for. :up:

this aint metal gear solid lol

[Hunter Rider]

Oh my God. This page is where smart people go to die. :(

I was going to respond to some of this...but it's just way too depressing.

Sarge:wow: Not used to seeing you in these parts:cwink:

[DACrowe]

It's all been said and done before so I'll make this simple.

I was surprised. I know Nolan go for realism and I am in full support of his version of the Joker and think Ledger will be great....I'm impartial on this suit.

It being different pieces makes it more mobile which Lord knows Batman needs after how bulky he still looked and moved in Batman Begins. But the thing looks silly. It is ROBO-BAT. I wonder if the suit could look sleeker. Personally I think the Bat-suits in the Burton movies looked much cooler even if they were terrible for mobility.

This may move nice but a simpler and sleeker design could have been better.

Honestly, I'm okay with it. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. But this was my initial gut reaction:

"WELL LOOK AT MR. FANCY PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (I had watched Army of Darkness in the last week). Seriously it looks like the Green Goblin coustme from Spider-Man 1 spray painted black with a better mask.

Whatever.

[Sarge 2.0]

Sarge Not used to seeing you in these partsYeah, the Batsuit pic renewed my interest in this place, and I decided to dust the mothballs off of this account. How goes the modding...particularly the FF forums? :o

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, the Batsuit pic renewed my interest in this place, and I decided to dust the mothballs off of this account. How goes the modding...particularly the FF forums? :o

The suit kicks asscheeks,i'm really digging the panelled design.....FF section is...interesting.......In fact it was very interesting earlier today lol but now it's back to back and forth bickering over whether it's,great fun, sub standard popcorn fun or CINO level poo:woot:

[Nepenthes]

Had another look at the suit, wow, it still sucks. He definitly needs to stay in the shadows with that one.

[ToddIsDead]

Had another look at the suit, wow, it still sucks. Definitly needs to stay in the shadows with that.

Agreed.

[batbat_29640]

The ONLY reason the suit started looking blue was because of shading. Then morons started to use a blue suit regularly. It's not at all bat-like, and it doesn't help him in any way, so I don't see why it's at all liked. Just because it's "accurate" to the comics, doesn't mean it's good.
Yeah got to agree with you there. I do prefer Batman in black. It just compliments his purpose and intention.

[nocomics]

I like the suit I guess. I will agree seems just a tad overboard on the 'riot-gear' look,but will see how it pans out on the big screen. Far as the colors,black is the way to go. If ya start goin to that grey look,might as well start flashing: biff,bam,boom on the screen when they fight...