Batsuit Discussion Thread

[DarkSuperman]

Come on, we've both been on these boards long enough to know that I hate the idea of a spandex suit as much as I hate the high tech approach. I have always argued that there are a myriad of choices that nobody even bothers to look at because everybody has to make every argument an either/or situation.

Batman looks his best when he's a sillohuette. So why not play to that strength and just make the suit give the impression of a sillohuette? And why does it have to look so sleek and cool? I thought he was trying to become a wraith. Play up the phantasmagoria a bit. Tatter the cape, dirty the suit, make the cowl a grim visage. I personally think it would be cool if the suit's texture gave off the impression of cracked stone, so that he would look like a moving gargoyle. I remember watching Harry Potter 3 and wishing that Batman could look as creepy as the dementors. I hate to keep going back to this image, but it's still the best concept that I've seen.I wish I could find the original one that was sepia toned, it had better texture definition.

http://img48.exs.cx/img48/1564/bb8em.jpg

The suit that they have designed for TDK is great. It looks cool and badass. However, I don't think Batman should look cool, he should look monsterous.

Would have been cool to see something like the above. Thats actually what I was expecting this time around, but once again hollywood has killed my dreams. That picture above is THE BATMAN!. He's looks scarey as hell. Thats the dude I wanna see on screen jumping from rooftops and tossing bad guys through the air, a monster. Check the cool white eyes, so that you can't tell what he's thinking....beautiful.

[The Kid]

Absolutely and I love the Burton films.

Hey critical thinking. Critical thinking!

[Batty Belfry]

^

I love the expression in that art piece. Like "WTF are you looking at?" LOL!

[DarkSuperman]

^

I love the expression in that art piece. Like "WTF are you looking at?" LOL!

Yeah, its dope!

[3 Dev Adam]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753005.jpg


Stunt-suit. Next!

Ew. And I don't mean Entertainment Weekly.

[Storm22]

Ok I was undecided on the EW shot but that shot there has done it for me - I really don't like the new suit, there's just too much going on with it.

[Super Kal]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h85/shadowbat69/batsuit_front-753005.jpg

Hmm, never really noticed it before but his belt kind of gives off a wings shape from straight on
lol, TEH CROTCHY!

[Batty Belfry]

lol, TEH CROTCHY!

Teh pointy! :woot:

[Steelsheen]

Teh Puffy! part 2!


bad news guys, its really Christian Bale in that camera phone photo :(. here's Baronghede's post when he broke the news in the Chicago thread:



Bad news, update from my friend, regarding the pic...
"That's it! That is Christian Bale, the stand ins suit was much flimsier, sersiosly looked like it was from a custome shop. Wow that's funny while those pics where taken I was behind him standing on a stool trying to look through the window."

[cryptic name]

still think it's a stunt or rehearsal suit, it's obviously not what we saw in the EW pic.

[MJZ]

I love how you guys can lose your ***** over a crappy cell phone snap. :)

[Keyser Sushi]

Sure, but balls are not THAT sensitive, or no one would be able to wear jeans, tighties, or anything spandexy and tight-fitting. Balls adjust, my friend. Bale is not being kicked in the balls in this instance. He's being paid a ton of money and being asked to wear a freaking athletic supporter and crouch and kneel. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him?

You're missing the point of what I'm saying. And why does everything with you come down to Batman's crotch? :huh:

All I'm saying is, it would appear that the design of the suit, with the segmented "plating," is meant to allow the suit to bend WITHOUT BUNCHING so much.

He could move his legs just fine in the previous film.

Yes, he could. But the suit didn't really look like armor (even though it was supposed to be). If it's really armor, it has to be segmented. Sheesh.


Why would he crunch his balls?

It was a joke. :dry:

You know that for a fact? That when he stands on that police car, he won't look techy and stupid?

PRO.MO.TION.AL. PHO.TO.GRAPH.

Look. It. Up.

I know what they're supposed to represent. I find "horns" a much scarier and darker concept than "ears". Sue me. You have never heard a criminal go "He had horns and claws"??? Ever?

Not that I can recall.

Read more comics.

Why? Most of them aren't that great. I'm collecting Batman comics from 1970-1992 or so. I have no interest in Knightfall or anything that comes after it. Now, I have read everything from Year 3 to just before the run-up to Knightfall, but it has been many years. Once I get all of the comics I'm after, I will read through them all in order. Until then, though... no.

They may be supposed to be ears, but from a design standpoint, I'd say "horns" is a pretty appropriate word. Also from a definition standpoint.

Sure, they look a bit hornish. But they do represent bat ears, and that's what I have always called them. You think horns seem scarier? Sure, but plenty of people are afraid of bats the size of a sparrow, and they don't have horns. A six-foot bat monster doesn't need horns to scare the hell out of people.

You're welcome to think that. You may think Batman should broadcast the fact that he has and needs high tech armor. I don't.

I don't think he should broadcast it, either. But you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'll explain below.

To each his own, I guess. Not sure what you hate about it so much. Other than the bit that looks kinda techy there...which is reflecting a lot of light, even in that shadowy picture. Hmmm...


I think it's the photograph itself that I don't like. It looks like he's taking a dump in his pants.

Okay, here comes the part where I explain the other bit... AGAIN...


I see what you're trying to say, but lost on you is...this isn't the stage. It's film. People don't look as small as they do on stage, because you are "closer" to them. You see them from a much closer vantage point on film. And this is a film, where details are shown much closer than the audience gets to people on stage. Therefore, details don't need to be as overdone for someone to make them out, especially when lit for filming.

Ever hear of an analogy, Guard? Maybe? At some point? ANALOGY.

What I'm saying is, it's a *similar principle.* As in, not the same, but analogous.

Ever watch the special features on the Spider-Man DVDs? Do you remember how they airbrushed the muscles on his suit so that it would show up better on the film?

Are you trying to tell me that when (and it will happen in this next film) this suit is lit (however it's lit) it won't look techy and mechanical and segmented? Despite the fact that it IS techy looking? Please.


Look at this spy photo: http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753005.jpg

Do you notice that the segments on his armor match up with human musculature? Okay. Now try and pay attention. IN THE SHADOWS - as this suit will ALWAYS be seen in the shadows, because he is BATMAN - in the SHADOWS, those plates may well look like muscle definition. Which would only ADD to his "creature" appearance, yes?

I mean, do you honestly think...that this suit will never be seen during the film?

Seen? Yes, in the shadows. In the light? Not so much.


I can't believe you think I don't get the "shadows" thing. My issue is obviously what it looks like when I SEE (or someone else sees) the suit in any kind of light. How will this affect Batman's legend? Etc. They seem to be abandoning the creature of the night aspect, or the mystery of it, and that BUGS me. I can't believe you or others, as a Batman fan, have an issue with that. Something like that bugging me, and making me wonder just what they're going to produce next year.

If you get the "shadows" thing then you wouldn't be complaining about "abandoning the creature of the night aspect," as I have already demonstrated that they aren't.

I already knew that. Are you listening to my responses, or not? I've expressly stated several times (to you as well) that the suit's design won't ruin Batman for me. But you want me to think they won't showcase this during the film at some point, showcase a design I loathe? Riiight.

They never "showcased" the Begins suit. Why would they "showcase" this one?

[BurtonBat]

Wait wait wait.... just looking at that pic it's pretty damn obvious it's a stunt suit, people are debating this? It looks pretty damn different from the EW pic. And just because some guy sent an email saying he was in the window there looking through, I don't believe that for a second. It's a stunt suit plain and simple.

[jimmy]

It's. . . It's. . . It's teh puffy. :(

[Baba Ghanoush]

Excellent post Keyser.

[ArmyDragon92A]

The day will come when someone does batman and perhaps other comic films like 300, and embraces the basic premise that this is a comic book movie and not try to cover that fact up....

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/763/763580/300-20070212020918296.jpg

:ninja:

I don't get it. It's a movie, most of the work's done by muscled up stunt guys... It won't be worth it to argue since I know how you do things but didn't you see the part where batman picked up a thug and held him over a roof? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9G18qHPhcM Jesus what a forum this is... Funny you should use material like "300" to prove a comic book to reality point.

The first thing flawed with this is that 300 is considered a "Graphic Novel" rather than a comic book. And It's loosely based on actual historical events.

So they really didn't need to change much.

[CConn]

Funny you should use material like "300" to prove a comic book to reality point.

The first thing flawed with this is that 300 is considered a "Graphic Novel" rather than a comic book. And It's loosely based on actual historical events.

So they really didn't need to change much.
What's the difference between a GN and a comic book, IYO? That a GN is self-contained whereas comic books have hundreds upon hundreds of issues to draw from and adapt?

Also, they really didn't need to change that much not because 300 was based on historical events (as you said, it ends up being pretty loosely based), but because 300 is very much a fantasy film rather than straight realistic history picture.

That's what Batman really needs one day, IMO; a Batman film that is - primarily - a fantasy film. Not a gritty urban drama (not that that's bad), or a gothic noir piece (not that that's bad), but a pure comic book fantasy film.

[lixdexia]

that's not what he meant armydragon, he was refering to it's reverence to the sorce (in this case the nove, not the actual battle) he's just hoping for a more litteral translation of comic batman like 300 got as opposed to the reinterpritation we got. i disagree with him entirely, but it's important to understand his pov

[Excel]

:eek: :eek: :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

this is PATHETIC! Of course it looks bad in some picture taken from a cell phone in broad daylight! IN the darkness, with the quality of a film camera, and MULTIPLE OSCAR NOMINATED CINEMATOGRAPHERS and camera men, the suit will look fine.

The same way theres a huge dif. between the OFFICIAL pic and the spy pic. come on yalll:whatever:

[bunk]

Absolutely and I love the Burton films.


Imo Bale is far superior as Batman, even more so as Bruce. I mean Bruce Wayne and Christian Bale are the same person as far as I'm concerned.

Still... I think Keaton was totally bad ass as Batman. His voice was awesome.

[CConn]

:eek: :eek: :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

this is PATHETIC! Of course it looks bad in some picture taken from a cell phone in broad daylight! IN the darkness, with the quality of a film camera, and MULTIPLE OSCAR NOMINATED CINEMATOGRAPHERS and camera men, the suit will look fine.

The same way theres a huge dif. between the OFFICIAL pic and the spy pic. come on yalll:whatever:
Um, it's pretty obvious it's a different suit altogether.

I mean, we saw cell phone pics and amateur video of the BB costume during filming, and it still looked pretty good - at worst, you could tell it was the same suit we've seen in official pics. This suit doesn't just look bad, but looks like a different suit altogether.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Oh no no. I knew what he meant but I still can't sit comfortably and watch the "comic" batman in real life and enjoy it. I rather see an animated movie for the "drawn" version of batman on the big screen. cus really, thats what alot of purists are asking for. The Drawn Batman theyre familiar with brought to life. Thats what cartoons are for.

Some things just dont translate well. But this is one man's opinion and i respect all of yours. I also understand where you're coming from.

[mjbull23]

Aaaaargh!!!!!!!! Raaargh!!!! Batsuit? Is that IS???? RAAAARpufFYY!!!

http://www.nconnect.net/~chuck/Taz%20Photos/taz-tired.gif

[Yurka]

so what if it looks bad, I remember I hated the look of the first suit when the first pics came out, then when the movie came out batman looked like a BAMF. have faith my brothers

[lixdexia]

Oh no no. I knew what he meant but I still can't sit comfortably and watch the "comic" batman in real life and enjoy it. I rather see an animated movie for the "drawn" version of batman on the big screen. cus really, thats what alot of purists are asking for. The Drawn Batman theyre familiar with brought to life. Thats what cartoons are for.

Some things just dont translate well. But this is one man's opinion and i respect all of yours. I also understand where you're coming from.
ok, just making sure everbody was clear here. you know, you read thongs on here and everybody gets up in arms and wants to bite each others head off, but i'm sure if we all sat down together we could have a resonably civil conversation. well most of us anyway.

[CConn]

Oh no no. I knew what he meant but I still can't sit comfortably and watch the "comic" batman in real life and enjoy it. I rather see an animated movie for the "drawn" version of batman on the big screen. cus really, thats what alot of purists are asking for. The Drawn Batman theyre familiar with brought to life. Thats what cartoons are for.

Some things just dont translate well. But this is one man's opinion and i respect all of yours. I also understand where you're coming from.
But you misunderstand something.

You're right, the comic Batman wouldn't fit well into real life. The real world. The world Nolan's using in his films.

But if you base Batman's world in slight fantasy - make the whole film more like the comics - then Batman doesn't look out of place. Then it works. And will be successful.

[Keyser Sushi]

But you misunderstand something.

You're right, the comic Batman wouldn't fit well into real life. The real world. The world Nolan's using in his films.

But if you base Batman's world in slight fantasy - make the whole film more like the comics - then Batman doesn't look out of place. Then it works. And will be successful.

Except that Nolan's world isn't THAT real... it contains quite a number of fantasy elements.

And I have yet to see an attempt at making a comic-accurate Batman suit that didn't look ridiculous. :(

[ArmyDragon92A]

But you misunderstand something.

You're right, the comic Batman wouldn't fit well into real life. The real world. The world Nolan's using in his films.

But if you base Batman's world in slight fantasy - make the whole film more like the comics - then Batman doesn't look out of place. Then it works. And will be successful. and thats cool. but you know what movie was set in a fully comic like world and look just....horrid? Shark Boy and Lava Girl. Movies like that basically go through the entire phase of super stretching reality for their super hero like needs. Super Hero High does the same. And I just dont like the feel. but again. Thats me. I rather see "our" world batman whoopin ass than Comic Book batman

[Crook]

That's a horrible comparison. The Spider-Man series is a better example of film fully embracing the comic book world, but translating it successfully to the big screen.

[Keyser Sushi]

That's a horrible comparison. The Spider-Man series is a better example of film fully embracing the comic book world, but translating it successfully to the big screen.

That's true.

[Anguissette1979]

That's a horrible comparison. The Spider-Man series is a better example of film fully embracing the comic book world, but translating it successfully to the big screen.

To be fair, I think there's a little bit more suspension of disbelief required for watching a SM movie than watching a BB-series movie.

[CConn]

and thats cool. but you know what movie was set in a fully comic like world and look just....horrid? Shark Boy and Lava Girl. Movies like that basically go through the entire phase of super stretching reality for their super hero like needs. Super Hero High does the same.300 is set in a fully comic book world.

Sin City is set in a fully comic book world.

B89 was very much set in a fantasy-based world. Not quite comic booky, but very gothic and Noir.

SR had a certain art deco style to it that loosely implied something otherworldly.

The Spider-Man movies - while set in the real world - had a very comic book-y tone and visual style to them.

The Crow was set in a very pretty fantasy-styled setting.

There are many, MANY examples of much, MUCH better quality of comic book and fantasy-based films besides "Shark Boy and Lava Girl".

And I just dont like the feel. but again. Thats me. I rather see "our" world batman whoopin ass than Comic Book batmanAnd, IMO, that is very sad. I feel sorry for you. Because you want to see - forever - one single style and one single interpretation of Batman. It's sad that you'd want to limit the character that greatly, IMO.

He can be so much more, you can see so much more and explore so much more about the character...and still have it be in a perfectly good movie or series of movies. That's what I want to see; different interpretations of Batman. The gritty urban drama, the Gothic Noir picture, the comic book translation...all of them can and do present different but, IMO, equally valid and enjoyable interpretations of Batman.

[Keyser Sushi]

To be fair, I think there's a little bit more suspension of disbelief required for watching a SM movie than watching a BB-series movie.

And to also be fair, nobody said there wasn't.

[CConn]

To be fair, I think there's a little bit more suspension of disbelief required for watching a SM movie than watching a BB-series movie.
But, as I said, that's because Nolan's Batman movies are based in the real world.

One day, I'd like to see another Batman movie that's not based in the real world. Not exactly, at least.

[Crook]

To be fair, I think there's a little bit more suspension of disbelief required for watching a SM movie than watching a BB-series movie.
Asides from SM3, I don't see them being that drastic. Imo BB had plenty of outlandish ideas, but the trick was to portray it in a way that didn't make it seem so impossible. Ditto for Spider-Man.

I just don't think the audience really gives a **** whether it's real or not. As long as the film doesn't treat them like a complete idiot, in regards to what's shown on-screen, then suspension of disbelief is always there.

[lixdexia]

That's a horrible comparison. The Spider-Man series is a better example of film fully embracing the comic book world, but translating it successfully to the big screen.that's not an entirely fair comparison either though. yes the first 2 spidey's addapted him great and mostly comic acurate, but spidey has everything he needs to function right there in his body. all his powers and abilites right there, all you'd need for him would be spandex ( and web shooters, still angry about that one) but to keep batman functioning you need the armor. agile and trained as he may be, no normal man outruns a bullet that often and no one takes as many as he does in the comics and still funcions at the level he'd need to.

[darknight7]

do you think any of the following suits look more animalistic than the new suit?





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/Manips/baleman1.jpg



TOO bad this isn't the new suit... That is an incredible manip. Close to the comics, but with a twist...I like it.

I especially like the cowl/neck/cape combo they got going...that's amazing
--dk7

[CConn]

that's not an entirely fair comparison either though. yes the first 2 spidey's addapted him great and mostly comic acurate, but spidey has everything he needs to function right there in his body. all his powers and abilites right there, all you'd need for him would be spandex ( and web shooters, still angry about that one) but to keep batman functioning you need the armor. agile and trained as he may be, no normal man outruns a bullet that often and no one takes as many as he does in the comics and still funcions at the level he'd need to.
And Batman can have fictional - but believable - armor without wearing a giant black rubber suit.

[rogue trooper]

But, as I said, that's because Nolan's Batman movies are based in the real world.

One day, I'd like to see another Batman movie that's not based in the real world. Not exactly, at least.


Tim Burton pretty much did that already. Not to mention Shumacher.

[Keyser Sushi]

Tim Burton pretty much did that already. Not to mention Shumacher.

But neither Burton nor Schumacher were entirely comic-accurate, and I think that's what CConn has in mind.

[Crook]

that's not an entirely fair comparison either though. yes the first 2 spidey's addapted him great and mostly comic acurate, but spidey has everything he needs to function right there in his body. all his powers and abilites right there, all you'd need for him would be spandex ( and web shooters, still angry about that one) but to keep batman functioning you need the armor. agile and trained as he may be, no normal man outruns a bullet that often and no one takes as many as he does in the comics and still funcions at the level he'd need to.
All those things you mentioned are already in the comics however. From the motive behind choosing a bat, the protection in armor, his gear and it's functionality...it's all there.

[lixdexia]

And Batman can have fictional - but believable - armor without wearing a giant black rubber suit.
oh, you're preaching to the choir there... i was rooting for that ff/batman manip above personally

[CConn]

But neither Burton nor Schumacher were entirely comic-accurate, and I think that's what CConn has in mind.
Exactly. Burton did the Gothic Noir version of Batman. Schumacher did 60s camp. But there's still more comic book-based and faithful version of Batman that could be done.

[lixdexia]

All those things you mentioned are already in the comics however. From the motive behind choosing a bat, the protection in armor, his gear and it's functionality...it's all there.yes, but what i'm saying is that you couldn't perfectly adapt his suit like you can in spiderman. you can come pretty damn close, but you need some bulk to make me believe it would work.not as much bulk as we got, but some.

[jimmy]

At this rate, it won't be long until we see this:

http://www.thebatsquad.net/_images/kqcrusade.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

I must be losing my fanboyness b/c i simply don't give a **** about the pic causing all this mess,it's a camera phone pic of a stunt guy ,not a still from the movie....no biggie at all

[lixdexia]

ccon, you keep talking about fanasy batman yet want something other than what we got in the 1st 4 films, so what particular runs are you looking at for a "comic acurate" batman?

[Crook]

yes, but what i'm saying is that you couldn't perfectly adapt his suit like you can in spiderman. you can come pretty damn close, but you need some bulk to make me believe it would work.not as much bulk as we got, but some.
Well of course, that's understood. But then we come to "movie-magic" and scientific explanation, both if put together I think would be a good way to explain how Batman's armor does seem so thin.

Liquid-armor exists, so you can use that as a way of telling the audience that thin armor isn't so "out there". Combined with the Spider-Man suit material and some added bulk in the right places, you'd have a pretty damn good translation of the comic book suit w/o sacrificing extreme suspension of disbelief.

[ArmyDragon92A]

That's a horrible comparison. The Spider-Man series is a better example of film fully embracing the comic book world, but translating it successfully to the big screen.
How so? NYC is portrayed -exactly- as it is with the exception of the El train. Theres nothing in the Spider-Man movies that come off as overly comic bookish outside of origins.

[CConn]

yes, but what i'm saying is that you couldn't perfectly adapt his suit like you can in spiderman. you can come pretty damn close, but you need some bulk to make me believe it would work.not as much bulk as we got, but some.
Personally, I'd say the Spider-Man suit is thick enough. I mean, there is a muscle suit under it. And if you can fit that, I'm sure you could fit one of those thin armor things they're inventing.

[darknight7]

Bale in suit: http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007...christian.html.

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753005.jpg (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753008.jpg)


http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_back-772797.jpg (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_back-772800.jpg)



I thought this thing was supposed to be SLEAK? ...I know everyone is saying it is a stunt suit, but think of the Begins suit. The pictures released look cool, but in the movie he looked puffy. lol...so who's to say that history won't repeat itself. Damn, that first picture released is looking really good right now, let's hope it looks like that in the movie and not like the pictures above. :S... I get more worried about this movie as the days go on...

--dk7

[ArmyDragon92A]

300 is set in a fully comic book world.

Sin City is set in a fully comic book world.

B89 was very much set in a fantasy-based world. Not quite comic booky, but very gothic and Noir.

SR had a certain art deco style to it that loosely implied something otherworldly.

The Spider-Man movies - while set in the real world - had a very comic book-y tone and visual style to them.

The Crow was set in a very pretty fantasy-styled setting.

There are many, MANY examples of much, MUCH better quality of comic book and fantasy-based films besides "Shark Boy and Lava Girl".

And, IMO, that is very sad. I feel sorry for you. Because you want to see - forever - one single style and one single interpretation of Batman. It's sad that you'd want to limit the character that greatly, IMO.

He can be so much more, you can see so much more and explore so much more about the character...and still have it be in a perfectly good movie or series of movies. That's what I want to see; different interpretations of Batman. The gritty urban drama, the Gothic Noir picture, the comic book translation...all of them can and do present different but, IMO, equally valid and enjoyable interpretations of Batman.


I want to be able to sit in a theatre and watch my super hero come to life and think "man it feels like i could be doing that...looks like that could happen in -my- neighborhood"

Thats what i like about comic book movies. they bring them to life for our envisioning to realize "hey...this is possible" for the two hours we're inside the theatre.

[Crook]

How so? NYC is portrayed -exactly- as it is with the exception of the El train. Theres nothing in the Spider-Man movies that come off as overly comic bookish outside of origins.
Well maybe that's because New York IS the scenery in the comic books. There's really no point in changing it if the thing already exists.

As for the comic-bookness, I was referring to it's portrayal of the characters. Doc Ock is a pretty unusual villain, but Raimi and co. had no problem with lifting him off the pages of the book.

[lixdexia]

Well of course, that's understood. But then we come to "movie-magic" and scientific explanation, both if put together I think would be a good way to explain how Batman's armor does seem so thin.

Liquid-armor exists, so you can use that as a way of telling the audience that thin armor isn't so "out there". Combined with the Spider-Man suit material and some added bulk in the right places, you'd have a pretty damn good translation of the comic book suit w/o sacrificing extreme suspension of disbelief.
sure. nothing you said here is wrong, i just want clear defined plates, be they under the cloth or what ever. having been shot through a kevlar vest before, i feel you'd want something SOLID between you and the bullet.

[CConn]

I want to be able to sit in a theatre and watch my super hero come to life and think "man it feels like i could be doing that...looks like that could happen in -my- neighborhood"

Thats what i like about comic book movies. they bring them to life for our envisioning to realize "hey...this is possible" for the two hours we're inside the theatre.
So you don't like any of the comic book movies I just listed?

[TheBatman072]

I must be losing my fanboyness b/c i simply don't give a **** about the pic causing all this mess,it's a camera phone pic of a stunt guy ,not a still from the movie....no biggie at all


Yep, pretty much.

[CConn]

ccon, you keep talking about fanasy batman yet want something other than what we got in the 1st 4 films, so what particular runs are you looking at for a "comic acurate" batman?
Something really anywhere from 70s to early 90s Batman.

I kinda think Burton got the original Kane/Finger comics, Schumacher got the comics from the 50s and 60s and Nolan has gotta the present tone and style of Batman.

[ArmyDragon92A]

So you don't like any of the comic book movies I just listed? Batman 89 made me believe being Bats was Possible, BB ripped that movie apart and replaced it on the ranks. Spider-Man made me feel like being Spider-Man and the such. Sin City didnt make me believe that any of that was possible, regardless of how entertaining it was. 300, I know the history of such so its enjoyable to see them change it up but there wasnt much in that movie that wasnt too "Fantasmical" you know?

[lixdexia]

Something really anywhere from 70s to early 90s Batman.

I kinda think Burton got the original Kane/Finger comics, Schumacher got the comics from the 50s and 60s and Nolan has gotta the present tone and style of Batman.
ok, that explains alot of the difference in opinions we have. i much prefer the present day batman myself (denny o'neil is a bit out there IMO) and so i thought bb was a great translation. but given this i can understand why you disagree.

[darknight7]

Do the armblades REALLY shoot out? Or was that a joke...someone on here said it was a joke, how will we know, or when will we know for sure.

--dk7

[Octoberist]

Ok the picture is bad. The suit doesn't look flattering but I don't think people should overreact.

It's from a friggin' cell phone, and it's with bright lights.

OMG, I got that right away and you got some (READ SOME) people going ape crap.

[Keyser Sushi]

Something really anywhere from 70s to early 90s Batman.

I kinda think Burton got the original Kane/Finger comics, Schumacher got the comics from the 50s and 60s and Nolan has gotta the present tone and style of Batman.

70's to early 90's is my favorite Batman stuff. While Nolan isn't exactly doing that, he is certainly using a lot of elements from that era (combined of course with modern Batman stuff).

[darknight7]

When I saw that new pic of the suit, I thought it was the BB suit from the Darian Lake show...:S

--dk7

[darknight7]

Ok the picture is bad. The suit doesn't look flattering but I don't think people should overreact.

It's from a friggin' cell phone, and it's with bright lights.

OMG, I got that right away and you got some (READ SOME) people going ape crap.


So it was a joke...okay, but do the really retract?

Because I think the part about them shooting out was a joke.

--dk7

[Octoberist]

it's just an ugly low rez picture but I can't judge the suit just from that.

[Baba Ghanoush]

I thought this thing was supposed to be SLEAK? ...I know everyone is saying it is a stunt suit, but think of the Begins suit. The pictures released look cool, but in the movie he looked puffy. lol...so who's to say that history won't repeat itself. Damn, that first picture released is looking really good right now, let's hope it looks like that in the movie and not like the pictures above. :S... I get more worried about this movie as the days go on...

--dk7

Don't sweat it. Everything will be fine. And why do you end your posts with "--dk7"??? Is that supposed to be cool?

[CConn]

70's to early 90's is my favorite Batman stuff. While Nolan isn't exactly doing that, he is certainly using a lot of elements from that era (combined of course with modern Batman stuff).
Story elements moreso than thematic elements, I think.

[DorkyFresh]

Still doesn't mean he doesn't have to blatantly say "Hey guys, I'm a man in armored suit!!! Whoo!!!"
would you rather him blatantly say "hey guys! i'm a guy in spandex"?? if that's the case, the thug would instantly think that he's vulnerable (even if he's not) and that could trigger the thug to instantly attack him...but if the thug DOES think "wow, he's armored!!!" he would need a lil' bit more time to think about what he's gonna do (run or attack) which would give Batman some time to act.

It's simply about invoking a more organic feel for batman - not JUST for the characters who interact with him but for the audience watching.
then next time just say THAT instead of using the 'supernatural' element to back up your OPINION.

[CConn]

ok, that explains alot of the difference in opinions we have. i much prefer the present day batman myself (denny o'neil is a bit out there IMO) and so i thought bb was a great translation. but given this i can understand why you disagree.
I like nearly all of Batman's interpretations. Well, except for the 50s stuff and the REALLY *******-ish Batman from the late 90s.

[CConn]

would you rather him blatantly say "hey guys! i'm a guy in spandex"?? if that's the case, the thug would instantly think that he's vulnerable (even if he's not) and that could trigger the thug to instantly attack him...but if the thug DOES think "wow, he's armored!!!" he would need a lil' bit more time to think about what he's gonna do (run or attack) which would give Batman some time to act.


then next time just say THAT instead of using the 'supernatural' element to back up your OPINION.
Batman usually acts before his opponent has time to think about anything.

[Anguissette1979]

Batman usually acts before his opponent has time to think about anything.

Batman's thug opponents think?!? :whatever: :oldrazz:

[DorkyFresh]

TOO bad this isn't the new suit... That is an incredible manip. Close to the comics, but with a twist...I like it.

I especially like the cowl/neck/cape combo they got going...that's amazing
--dk7

glad you like the manip. i made it actually. it was around the time they announced they were going to use a frabric material. even though i would've loved to see a suit similar to this....i can't help but to love how badass the new suit looks. a tactical looking Batman has been something i've always wanted to see on film and it looks like i'll be getting my wish...

[DorkyFresh]

Batman usually acts before his opponent has time to think about anything.
too true but that doesn't negate my point....not to mention, Batman's not perfect. even he slips every once in a while...

[Keyser Sushi]

Story elements moreso than thematic elements, I think.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[darknight7]

Don't sweat it. Everything will be fine. And why do you end your posts with "--dk7"??? Is that supposed to be cool?


lol, it's like a signature, there are many other SHH posters who end off with some sort of sig. It is a shortform for my login name.


And yes...it is cool, maybe you should sign off as...

-baba g

lol

PS. Thanks for the comfort, I am just going to wait and see how the suit plays out in the movie...

**--DK7**

[darknight7]

glad you like the manip. i made it actually. it was around the time they announced they were going to use a frabric material. even though i would've loved to see a suit similar to this....i can't help but to love how badass the new suit looks. a tactical looking Batman has been something i've always wanted to see on film and it looks like i'll be getting my wish...

(speaking about your manip)
That is exactly how I was imagining it would look. The description seemed to be pointing towards that look, so I was excited. I think it would have been amazing to see on film. Very original, yet...modern

(speaking about the new suit in TDK)

To me it almost looks like an elseworld Batman suit...

or one of those CRAZY Battlegear Batman Action Figures...lol

Not saying I don't like it, I just think it looks very..."crazy"...like Halo or something.

--dk7

[DorkyFresh]

hopefully, one day, a director will come up with a suit that will please 99% of the fans...but for now, i'm LOVING what Nolan's doing with the world of Batman...



...yes, even Joker.

[Bond]

hopefully, one day, a director will come up with a suit that will please 99% of the fans...but for now, i'm LOVING what Nolan's doing with the world of Batman...



...yes, even Joker.
Agreed. http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon6.gif.

[darknight7]

I want a body shot of the Joker now that we got one of Bats:)

--dk7

[SmileX]

Bale in suit: http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007...christian.html.

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753005.jpg (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753008.jpg)

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_back-772797.jpg (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_back-772800.jpg)


I'm one of the people that hates the new suit but I think it is obvious this is a stunt suit. You can tell from the chest, shoulder caps, and leg lines that it is suppose to be the new suit. It just doesn't look exactly like the EW picture which would make me think it is just a cheap stunt version.

[DorkyFresh]

ew yeah.....definitely a stunt suit........at least i hope it is. it looks way too loose to be the hero suit. if you watch the shots from BB where Bats lands on the car after Scarecrow puts him on fire, this suit looks similar to that stunt suit.

[Hartter]

Diggin the emblem

[SmileX]

I actually hate the emblem. I know this is a bad camera phone pic but everything else seems to stand out, why not the emblem? I can't make it out at all.

[darknight7]

Ya it is really tough to see the emblem

--dk7

[Compi716]

Is that the wooden staircase near Gordon's house?

[DorkyFresh]

Is that the wooden staircase near Gordon's house?

seems like it. they have a video w/Oldman appearing briefly...

http://hollywoodchicago.com/

date: 2007-06-15...you can make out Oldman at the 1:30 mark.

[Memphis Slim]

I'm one of the people that hates the new suit but I think it is obvious this is a stunt suit. You can tell from the chest, shoulder caps, and leg lines that it is suppose to be the new suit. It just doesn't look exactly like the EW picture which would make me think it is just a cheap stunt version.

I don't like the new suit. It's too busy. And why are they film in what looks like day light??

[SmileX]

I don't like the new suit. It's too busy. And why are they film in what looks like day light??

That could just be them testing or setting up a stunt and someone took a picture.

[DarkSuperman]

Well of course, that's understood. But then we come to "movie-magic" and scientific explanation, both if put together I think would be a good way to explain how Batman's armor does seem so thin.

Liquid-armor exists, so you can use that as a way of telling the audience that thin armor isn't so "out there". Combined with the Spider-Man suit material and some added bulk in the right places, you'd have a pretty damn good translation of the comic book suit w/o sacrificing extreme suspension of disbelief.


Thats what I've been trying to say for years!! Thank you!! There's absolutely NO reason why they can't find some realistic/fantasy middle ground! People who say otherwise are just being stubborn. I for one am tired of seeing the same interpretation of batman over and over again. Hard Rubber all the time. I've been seeing that since 89, I'm ready for something new and innovative. Something imaginative and closer to the comics that made me love the character in the first place. Whats the harm in changing it up every now and again?

You ever stop to think that MAYBE just maybe Batman Begins would've made more money if they changed up the suit a little bit and made it more like the comics. The Average person probably looked at it and said "Ohhh...there's doing that again. Okay." Show them something NEW and amazing. Spider-Man was a success because it was Original and Innovative. Superman Returns was less of a success because it is a weaker rehash of something already done. Not saying the costume would have made BB make more money, but it would have made him stand out from the other batfilms a whole lot more.

Comic books are amazing. When being made into films they dont need to be changed AT ALL, regardless of what many of you think. Spider-Man, 300, and Sin City proved this. So will Watchmen when it comes out.

If you build it they will come. Period.

We live in an extraordinary age of science and technology. Not to mention people are healthier than ever. Its not a stretch for the Average movie goer to accept that Bruce Wayne through rigorous training could become the Zenith of Human Ability. Thats the very Essence of Batman. He doesn't need the Robocop Suit, cause he's that good. It isn't about his toys, cool though they maybe. Its about his mind and his skills. Thats what makes him IMPRESSIVE. Show the world and I gaurantee he'd be making Spider-Man money too!

[BurtonBat]

If you watch the vid that was previously linked, they are filming at 1am. And "it's too busy" is becoming old, try something new :oldrazz:

[Saint]

Those set pics of the stunt suit may not be the best indicator, but the cape attachment appears to be much closer to that of the comics. I don't see clasps. and it looks to be attached at--or near--the neck, which could allow it to close at the front.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Thats what I've been trying to say for years!! Thank you!! a man in tights and panties would just look silly.

[SmileX]

a man in tights and panties would just look silly.

I'm not saying that I want to see a spandex suit but did Superman and Spiderman look silly/dumb in the movies? I believe that if they wanted to a durable fabric could be used for Batman instead of rubber. But I for one like the rubber suits, they just still haven't made a good one.

[ArmyDragon92A]

I'm not saying that I want to see a spandex suit but did Superman and Spiderman look silly/dumb in the movies? I believe that if they wanted to a durable fabric could be used for Batman instead of rubber. But I for one like the rubber suits, they just still haven't made a good one. Super Man looked horrible. i never liked his costume as iconic as it is for me as a comic book fan.

Spider-Man's costume is sleek and doesnt have a "panty" on the outer regions of his crotch and buttocks. As colorful as it is, it's a fairly sturdy looking costume.

[StylishHokie21]

It's getting annoying hearing that the suit looks "busy." If you're going to criticize it, at least come up with some new material.

[DarkSuperman]

I'm not saying that I want to see a spandex suit but did Superman and Spiderman look silly/dumb in the movies? I believe that if they wanted to a durable fabric could be used for Batman instead of rubber. But I for one like the rubber suits, they just still haven't made a good one.

The Rubber suits are out dated. They've been using that mode for 20 years its time for something new and improved.

I keep hearing this talk of batman evolving, but so far all I see is the same, lame, black rubber costume. I can't tell you how sick of that I am. The suits have all been going down hill since the keaton days. Kinda how I'm sick of Seeing Superman catch planes (You listening Singer?) Stop showing me the same thing a thousand times. I think the world can handle a little change of pace. Nobodies gonna freak out if Batman actually looks like Batman from the comics!

[SmileX]

Super Man looked horrible. i never liked his costume as iconic as it is for me as a comic book fan.

Spider-Man's costume is sleek and doesnt have a "panty" on the outer regions of his crotch and buttocks. As colorful as it is, it's a fairly sturdy looking costume.

Actually I just realized that the black spiderman suit material looks like it would work for Batman. I don't see why they can't take the material used for the black spiderman suit and make it for Batman.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7403/imgblackvm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ArmyDragon92A]

The Rubber suits are out dated. They've been using that mode for 20 years its time for something new and improved.

I keep hearing this talk of batman evolving, but so far all I see is the same, lame, black rubber costume. I can't tell you how sick of that I am. The suits have all been going down hill since the keaton days. Kinda how I'm sick of Seeing Superman catch planes (You listening Singer?) Stop showing me the same thing a thousand times. I think the world can handle a little change of pace. Nobodies gonna freak out if Batman actually looks like Batman from the comics!
I wont be freaking out. I'd be too busy laughing my ass off.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Actually I just realized that the black spiderman suit material looks like it would work for Batman. I don't see why they can't take the material used for the black spiderman suit and make it for Batman.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7403/imgblackvm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us) uhm...because he'd have underwear on the outside of his pants?

[darknight7]

I think Batman not having armor is cool. People say, he is just a human who would get killed. But no, he isn't JUST THAT. He is a crazed man, with extreme will and determination. (no I am not done yet, because that is not all)...did everyone suddenly forget that Batman is a NINJA!...Batman trained with the greatest fighting master...Ra's Al Ghul. Batman is NO ordinary man. Batman shouldn't even be hit by bullets. In the comics and in TAS, he is always TOO fast for a bullet. He is always running or dodging before his enemy can react, which gives him the upper hand on dodging the bullet. Yes it is unrealistic for a human to dodge bullets, but it isn't the fact that Batman/Bruce is FASTER than a bullet, it is the fact that he uses deception, fear and SKILL!!! to dodge the bullet. HE IS A NINJA!...ninja's don't wear bullet proof armor.
That is just my own personal opinion.

--dk7

[ArmyDragon92A]

I think Batman not having armor is cool. People say, he is just a human who would get killed. But no, he isn't JUST THAT. He is a crazed man, with extreme will and determination. (no I am not done yet, because that is not all)...did everyone suddenly forget that Batman is a NINJA!...Batman trained with the greatest fighting master...Ra's Al Ghul. Batman is NO ordinary man. Batman shouldn't even be hit by bullets. In the comics and in TAS, he is always TOO fast for a bullet. He is always running or dodging before his enemy can react, which gives him the upper hand on dodging the bullet. Yes it is unrealistic for a human to dodge bullets, but it isn't the fact that Batman/Bruce is FASTER than a bullet, it is the fact that he uses deception, fear and SKILL!!! to dodge the bullet. HE IS A NINJA!...ninja's don't wear bullet proof armor.
That is just my own personal opinion.

--dk7 Actually. As someone who has study iga Ryu ninjutsu alongside Shaolin Kung Fu since i was four years old. Ninja do wear armor and are NOT fast enough to dodge bullets. Bruce is NOT faster than a bullet and never has been. there is no true batman fan that will sit here and agree with that statement no matter what you say. You're going over board there buddy.

[The Mighty Wind]

HE IS A NINJA!...ninja's don't wear bullet proof armor.
That is because at the time that ninjas were relevant, they didn't have bullet proof armour.

Or bullets.

But they did wear armour. As much as they could manage that would provide protection without limitting their agility, and abilities. Kind of like, say, the current suit design?

[SmileX]

I'm not talking about using the Spiderman fabric without some body armor. I'm simply saying that they were able to produce a good suit with a good physical build. Why not take that same material and built off it for Batman.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/200/untitled1vr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[SmileX]

Actually. As someone who has study iga Ryu ninjutsu alongside Shaolin Kung Fu since i was four years old. Ninja do wear armor and are NOT fast enough to dodge bullets. Bruce is NOT faster than a bullet and never has been. there is no true batman fan that will sit here and agree with that statement no matter what you say. You're going over board there buddy.

Actually I agree with him on some level. Batman has always been able to, not dodge bullets, but appear from out of no where so they aren't even shot in his direction. I've never seen Batman wear more than armor on his chest. Every other part of his body is vulnerable. Maybe I missed it somewhere but when did Batman cover himself in full body armor?

[Killing Joke926]

That is because at the time that ninjas were relevant, they didn't have bullet proof armour.

Or bullets.

But they did wear armour. As much as they could manage that would provide protection without limitting their agility, and abilities. Kind of like, say, the current suit design?

I agree with everyone else, even though Bruce is a black-belt ninja, he's no Bullet-Proof Monk.:whatever: And you've gotta realize that were dealing with the BatMan of Nolan's world; that means no Bat-shark repelant or any slo-mo Matrix stunts. We're talking about nippless-bullet proof body-armor and secret arsanal gadgets.

[SmileX]

I agree with everyone else, even though Bruce is a black-belt ninja, he's no Bullet-Proof Monk.:whatever: And you've gotta realize that were dealing with the BatMan of Nolan's world; that means no Bat-shark repelant or any slo-mo Matrix stunts. We're talking about nippless-bullet proof body-armor and secret arsanal gadgets.

You contradict yourself in your own post. First you say we are dealing with Nolan's world and there are no shark repelants but then you say he can have advanced armor and crazy gadgets.

[Killing Joke926]

You contradict yourself in your own post. First you say we are dealing with Nolan's world and there are no shark repelants but then you say he can have advanced armor and crazy gadgets.

I meant gadgets that Lucius keeps top secret and that are down-to-earth weapons; realistic things like dragon-skin and magnetic grappling guns.:dry:

[CConn]

I agree with everyone else, even though Bruce is a black-belt ninja, he's no Bullet-Proof Monk.:whatever:How many times does it have to be ****ing said? There is a material being developed in real life that is extremely thin, light and allows for good amount of mobility that can stop bullets as well as any bulletproof vest. If that can exist in the real world, I'm positive they could invent a similar fictional armor that can protect Batman without being rubber or a bunch of armored-plates.

That is a TRUE technology right there. If anything, having Batman wearing armor-plates is an outdated and thusly, unrealistic concept to employ.

[Boom]

How many times does it have to be ****ing said? There is a material being developed in real life that is extremely thin, light and allows for good amount of mobility that can stop bullets as well as any bulletproof vest. If that can exist in the real world, I'm positive they could invent a similar fictional armor that can protect Batman without being rubber or a bunch of armored-plates.

That is a TRUE technology right there. If anything, having Batman wearing armor-plates is an outdated and thusly, unrealistic concept to employ.
But itz teh futuriztic armor-platez!!1

[DarkSuperman]

Actually I just realized that the black spiderman suit material looks like it would work for Batman. I don't see why they can't take the material used for the black spiderman suit and make it for Batman.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7403/imgblackvm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


It would totally Work for batman. They're just being stubborn. Besides no one said that he absolutely had to have the bottoms like in the comics. A comic book batsuit made from the Black Spidey material would be awesome. He would not look ridiculous and he most certainly would not get hurt the way you try to make him. Because Batman is at the top of his game. Before he leaps into any situation he's already got a plan, a contingency plan, and a back up for that one too. Thus, he doesn't worry about getting shot, stabbed, or maimed cause he knows what to do in any given situation, perfectly.

Thats why he's so Cool.

Oh and P.S.

Batman doesn't have to be faster than a bullet, just faster than the shooter.

[SmileX]

I meant gadgets that Lucius keeps top secret and that are down-to-earth weapons; realistic things like dragon-skin and magnetic grappling guns.:dry:

Does anyone else think it sucks that Batman is getting all his gadgets from Wayne Enterprises? I know that has been his source for ideas from time to time but in the movie he just takes the actual prototypes that people in his company worked on. Won't people recognize the tumbler on the 6 o'clock news? Lucious didn't built these things himself and there is bound to be a paper trail. At least in other films we are left to wonder where these things came from.

[CConn]

It would totally Work for batman. They're just being stubborn. Besides no one said that he absolutely had to have the bottoms like in the comics. A comic book batsuit made from the Black Spidey material would be awesome. He would not look ridiculous and he most certainly would not get hurt the way you try to make him. Because Batman is at the top of his game. Before he leaps into any situation he's already got a plan, a contingency plan, and a back up for that one too. Thus, he doesn't worry about getting shot, stabbed, or maimed cause he knows what to do in any given situation, perfectly.

Thats why he's so Cool.

Oh and P.S.

Batman doesn't have to be faster than a bullet, just faster than the shooter.
Um, Batman wears armor in the comics. And he has gotten shot, stabbed, and nearly maimed several times.

[CConn]

Does anyone else think it sucks that Batman is getting all his gadgets from Wayne Enterprises? I know that has been his source for ideas from time to time but in the movie he just takes the actual prototypes that people in his company worked on. Won't people recognize the tumbler on the 6 o'clock news? Lucious didn't built these things himself and there is bound to be a paper trail. At least in other films we are left to wonder where these things came from.
It was always pretty obvious (to me, at least) Batman had to have produced them himself. Having Wayne Enterprise do it is by far the most rational solution.

[ArmyDragon92A]

stubborn? I didn't say it wouldn't work. I'm saying it would look silly. simple as that.

[DarkSuperman]

That is a TRUE technology right there. If anything, having Batman wearing armor-plates is an outdated and thusly, unrealistic concept to employ.

Right on, brother. This is the 21st Century...Are you telling me that, that concept is sooooooo freaking hard for you all to grasp? Batman can have a jumping car, a super grappling hook, and a gliding cape...but he cant have thin fabric like amor?

Gimme a break. You all need to revaluate how you see technology and Batman.

[CConn]

stubborn? I didn't say it wouldn't work. I'm saying it would look silly. simple as that.
If it looked silly, it wouldn't work.

And quite simply, if Spider-Man's black costume didn't look silly, a black fabric Batman costume certainly wouldn't either. Especially given how Batman's always cloaked in his cape.

[CConn]

Right on, brother. This is the 21st Century...Are you telling me that, that concept is sooooooo freaking hard for you all to grasp? Batman can have a jumping car, a super grappling hook, and a gliding cape...but he cant have thin fabric like amor?

Gimme a break. You all need to revaluate how you see technology and Batman.
Now all that is true.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Right on, brother. This is the 21st Century...Are you telling me that, that concept is sooooooo freaking hard for you all to grasp? Batman can have a jumping car, a super grappling hook, and a gliding cape...but he cant have thin fabric like amor?

Gimme a break. You all need to revaluate how you see technology and Batman.
Wow. Now you're just being condescending.

[SmileX]

stubborn? I didn't say it wouldn't work. I'm saying it would look silly. simple as that.

If you think the Spiderman suit looks good then why do you think a Batman version using the same material would look bad? Just add the Bat elements and leave out the panties. Whats so silly about that?

[The Guard]

The idea is that if bats loses his organic approach to being the bat, he reveals that he is indeed just a dude in armor. Thus the bad guys stop being scared of him.

I think any moment of clarity the bad guys get about Bats being just a guy in a suit will be pretty breif cuz they are still gonna get their asses handed to them in a brutal fashion.

Oh? Then why does he need MORE armor to begin with, if he's so damned capable? Seems he failed at some point.

Begins wasn't all that dark. Most of it was soft lighting. The reason you hardly saw the suit was because almost all of the shots were bust shots or close-ups. When they pulled back, it was always too bright and looked kind of rediculous.

I'm afraid he's right. So why go MORE in that direction?

Burton used a flawed logic to justify the suit: he implied that Bruce needed to suit to be intimidating cuz he himself wasn´t physically that way, which has two problems: one, even Arnold Schwarzenegger is just a man against armed thugs, the urban legend element is to make him more than a man, even a strong one, which wins part of the fight before he even throws a punch. The second problem is Batman still needed to be a highly-trained martial artist and someone strong enough to lift a big guy like Nicholson up, and Keaton wasn´t convincing as either.

Burton knew Batman needed the suit to be scary, too, hence the opening sequence. And Batman WAS a highly trained martial artist in Burton's film.

The protection argument is a valid one. it makes sense that Batman wants to wear a suit that offers protection, yet gives him a reasonable freedom of movement.

It also makes sense that he'd want to maintain his element of surprise and mystery.

You're missing the point of what I'm saying. And why does everything with you come down to Batman's crotch?

Which point have I missed?

All I'm saying is, it would appear that the design of the suit, with the segmented "plating," is meant to allow the suit to bend WITHOUT BUNCHING so much.

I don't care. Did the BEGINS suit have that big of an issue? Is this "design" actually going to solve that problem? Does it have to look so "busy"?

PRO.MO.TION.AL. PHO.TO.GRAPH.

Look. It. Up.

Regardless, you think this suit with it's 200 pieces, which is being advertised a year before the movie in EW...won't be seen?

Sure, they look a bit hornish. But they do represent bat ears, and that's what I have always called them. You think horns seem scarier? Sure, but plenty of people are afraid of bats the size of a sparrow, and they don't have horns. A six-foot bat monster doesn't need horns to scare the hell out of people.

But they help, if one wants a demonic aspect to their Bat-Man.

Ever hear of an analogy, Guard? Maybe? At some point? ANALOGY.

Yes, and in this case, your analogy was poor.

What I'm saying is, it's a *similar principle.* As in, not the same, but analogous.

And it's no better than if the analogy actually fit the situation.

Ever watch the special features on the Spider-Man DVDs? Do you remember how they airbrushed the muscles on his suit so that it would show up better on the film?

Yes.

Do you notice that the segments on his armor match up with human musculature?

Sort of.

Okay. Now try and pay attention. IN THE SHADOWS - as this suit will ALWAYS be seen in the shadows, because he is BATMAN - in the SHADOWS, those plates may well look like muscle definition. Which would only ADD to his "creature" appearance, yes?

No. They look too techy to be a creature. And why the hell would a creature have light-reflecting muscles in the shadows, anyway?

I've already told you I get this aspect. We all know the suit will vanish once it's in shadow. So what? So would those ICE SUITS in BATMAN & ROBIN, to a point. That doesn't make this design any better as a design. I don't care how Nolan HIDES the abomination. My issue is with the design. An ugly girl in the dark is still an ugly girl.

Seen? Yes, in the shadows. In the light? Not so much

I'll take that wager. What are our stakes?

If you get the "shadows" thing then you wouldn't be complaining about "abandoning the creature of the night aspect," as I have already demonstrated that they aren't.

I'm referring to the fact that now Batman is clearly, to ANYONE who sees him, heavily armored. He resembles a creature of the night even less than he did before. I take issue with that. You, who thinks creatures of the night should look techy and mechanical and "fab", clearly don't.

They never "showcased" the Begins suit. Why would they "showcase" this one?

Because this movie is about Batman in a very public way. And they certainly showed him running down the hall in Arkham, and the suit was seen in several other scenes.

You really think I don't get the idea that this suit will still sort of blend into the shadows when there's little to no light on it, don't you? Put your fears to rest, I simply don't like the design and what it portends for this film.

And I have yet to see an attempt at making a comic-accurate Batman suit that didn't look ridiculous.

Sage, do you still have our concept drawing?

At this rate, it won't be long until we see this:

Bring it on. It looks less busy than this crap does.

[DarkSuperman]

Um, Batman wears armor in the comics. And he has gotten shot, stabbed, and nearly maimed several times.

Yeah, he gets hurt sometimes, but its mostly when he didnt plan for something. As a batman fan Im sure you know how rare it is that a low rent thug actually gets the better of him. Its usually when he's up against people on par with his skills that he gets, shot, stabbed, and or maimed.

[Crook]

Wow. Now you're just being condescending.
He's raised some good points though. One that I don't think can really be disputed w/o grasping for straws.

[StorminNorman]

The batsuit SHOULD be made of snake skin.

End discussion.

Period.

[ArmyDragon92A]

If you think the Spiderman suit looks good then why do you think a Batman version using the same material would look bad? Just add the Bat elements and leave out the panties. Whats so silly about that?
Spider-Man is Spider-Man

Batman is Batman. "Leave out the panties"? Then you're saying the true to comics look wouldn't work? Cause thats my point.

[DarkSuperman]

He's raised some good points though. One that I don't think can really be disputed w/o grasping for straws.

Thank you.

[SmileX]

Spider-Man is Spider-Man

Batman is Batman. "Leave out the panties"? Then you're saying the true to comics look wouldn't work? Cause thats my point.

I've never once said he should be in pajamas like in the comics. I don't like that look. I'm talking about the Spiderman fabric. It looks good black, it looks durable, and flexible which would allow movement. Add some of the Batman elements and I don't see why that would look bad.

[CConn]

Spider-Man is Spider-Man

Batman is Batman.
And you said you weren't stubborn, lol.

[ArmyDragon92A]

And you said you weren't stubborn, lol. I'm not. Far from it. I never said fabric can't work. I said the straight from the comic look for bats would look silly. :whatever:

[DarkSuperman]

And you said you weren't stubborn, lol.

I know right. He can't see the forest for the trees.

[SmileX]

I'm not. Far from it. I never said fabric can't work. I said the straight from the comic look for bats would look silly. :whatever:

Well then you are just not paying attention to what people are saying. Most of the people here that want some kind of fabric aren't hardcore that it needs to be EXACLTY like the comics. People just want a durable type of fabric looked at instead of stiff rubber.

[Crook]

I'm not. Far from it. I never said fabric can't work. I said the straight from the comic look for bats would look silly. :whatever:
Thank god none of us are for that. :huh:

[ArmyDragon92A]

He's raised some good points though. One that I don't think can really be disputed w/o grasping for straws. You've got to be kidding. Tell me. Do you know the properties of the new silk skin battle armor that is being produced by the military?

[DarkSuperman]

I'm not. Far from it. I never said fabric can't work. I said the straight from the comic look for bats would look silly. :whatever:

Im sure they said the same thing about spider-man. Guess he consoles himself with that 2 Billion dollars his movies have made. And to think...he did all that in a silly straight from the comics good'ol fashioned superhero Costume. Who woulda thought?

[ArmyDragon92A]

I know right. He can't see the forest for the trees. I've yet to go back to my old ways and insult any of you. IF you continue to be a badger then I'll be forced to either report you or just seriously demoralize you. We can debate without getting insulting.

[Crook]

You've got to be kidding. Tell me. Do you know the properties of the new silk skin battle armor that is being produced by the military?
I'm not a tech expert, but I have seen this vid:

LlEo5MbcaX0

Therefore, it's plausible this type of technology can be explained in the movie if need be. No more outrageous than the jumping Batmobile and electrified cape.

[SmileX]

You've got to be kidding. Tell me. Do you know the properties of the new silk skin battle armor that is being produced by the military?

Can you please stop dropping that fact that you are a military master and have all the knowledge of the real worlds military technology. No one cares about the real world. We are talking about movies.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Im sure they said the same thing about spider-man. Guess he consoles himself with that 2 Billion dollars his movies have made. And to think...he did all that in a silly straight from the comics good'ol fashioned superhero Costume. Who woulda thought? Like I said before. Spider-Man is Spider-Man. His costume is streamlined and as colorful as it is it works for the type of character Peter Parker is. A dork. A nerd. A Geek. He doesn't need armor because he can LITERALLY dodge bullets. The man can take punches from the incredible hulk for god's sakes. So the functionality of his costume is simplisitc. It's totally different for Bats.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Can you please stop dropping that fact that you are a military master and have all the knowledge of the real worlds military technology. No one cares about the real world. We are talking about movies. Uhmm this is the first time I've made mention of the word "military" and i used it outside of any references to my occupation. So unless youre "BatMaster" stop trying to impose some sort of arrogance on my part. I asked a simple question.

[Crook]

Like I said before. Spider-Man is Spider-Man. His costume is streamlined and as colorful as it is it works for the type of character Peter Parker is. A dork. A nerd. A Geek. He doesn't need armor because he can LITERALLY dodge bullets. The man can take punches from the incredible hulk for god's sakes. So the functionality of his costume is simplisitc. It's totally different for Bats.
You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that everyone you're debating with, DOES want some armor that goes along with the fabric, be it worn under, or coated with the liquid armor.

[The Sage]

Come on, we've both been on these boards long enough to know that I hate the idea of a spandex suit as much as I hate the high tech approach. I have always argued that there are a myriad of choices that nobody even bothers to look at because everybody has to make every argument an either/or situation.

Batman looks his best when he's a sillohuette. So why not play to that strength and just make the suit give the impression of a sillohuette? And why does it have to look so sleek and cool? I thought he was trying to become a wraith. Play up the phantasmagoria a bit. Tatter the cape, dirty the suit, make the cowl a grim visage. I personally think it would be cool if the suit's texture gave off the impression of cracked stone, so that he would look like a moving gargoyle. I remember watching Harry Potter 3 and wishing that Batman could look as creepy as the dementors. I hate to keep going back to this image, but it's still the best concept that I've seen.I wish I could find the original one that was sepia toned, it had better texture definition.

http://img48.exs.cx/img48/1564/bb8em.jpg

The suit that they have designed for TDK is great. It looks cool and badass. However, I don't think Batman should look cool, he should look monsterous.

That's beautiful, and exactly what I've been thinking of?

would you rather him blatantly say "hey guys! i'm a guy in spandex"??


(Please note: this isn't pertaining to you, Dorky my friend. Well, not all of it....:))





Sigh. If it isn't rubber, it's spandex. If it isn't spandex, it's rubber....:whatever:




Why don't you mother****ers realize that spandex isn't the only alternate material to rubber?!! Why! Just why! Why can't you get that there are other materials and fabrics out there? Why! Why!
Spandex, rubber. Rubber, spandex.

Why are you people so thickheaded!!!!!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!




if that's the case, the thug would instantly think that he's vulnerable (even if he's not) and that could trigger the thug to instantly attack him...but if the thug DOES think "wow, he's armored!!!" he would need a lil' bit more time to think about what he's gonna do (run or attack) which would give Batman some time to act.


So what if the thug tries to attack him? He'll shoot, realize that the bullet didn't work and will be wondering why. He'll be wondering if this guy is even human. By that time, Batman will have him on the ground struggling to breathe. If he sees Batman is armored, he'll know he's just a man in armored suit. Why not keep the illusion up that he may not be human!

[ArmyDragon92A]

I'm not a tech expert, but I have seen this vid:

LlEo5MbcaX0

Therefore, it's plausible this type of technology can be explained in the movie if need be. No more outrageous than the jumping Batmobile and electrified cape. Err you know the Batmobile actually does jump right? Like in real life. It has the ability to do so. The actual car did exactly what it was designed to do.

no one said it's not plausible. i know about the tech first hand.

im speaking of the look of the costume. And honestly, the new silken armor still can't stop incendiaries. The armor the new bat suit represents can.

[The Sage]

Because Batman is a human with no powers of any kind and would die in it.

Then put the armor underneath it.

[SmileX]

You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that everyone you're debating with, DOES want some armor that goes along with the fabric, be it worn under, or coated with the liquid armor.

Exactly he is ignoring that all together. I for one would go with the spiderman fabric with the addition of the Batman elements and armor in the chest. I for one don't like this full body armor idea. It takes away from the character.

[The Sage]

Sage, do you still have our concept drawing?


I don't even remember what you're referring to, LOL.

[Crook]

Err you know the Batmobile actually does jump right? Like in real life. It has the ability to do so. The actual car did exactly what it was designed to do.
Yes, I know it jumps. But to the level shown in the movie without the help of ramps? No, it can't.

no one said it's not plausible. i know about the tech first hand.

im speaking of the look of the costume. And honestly, the new silken armor still can't stop incendiaries. The armor the new bat suit represents can.
Like I've stated, most of us are open to the idea of the armor being worn under said fabric. The outside is purely aesthetic preference, but that in no way means we're throwing out the idea of protection.

[ArmyDragon92A]

I'm not ignoring a thing. I prefer the armoured look entirely. I never said that fabric cant work. it sure can. but the exact comic replica using fabric or armor? nah.

either way? IMO

yes MY opinion? The Armored look fits the batman Nolan is representing entirely.

[SmileX]

1) Does anyone know what the actual material is that they used for the spiderman suit? It doesn't look like spandex but it doesn't look like stiff rubber either. More like a combination of the two.

2)ArmyDragon. Why do you always say that these things are real? The army uses stealth tanks that have missles that jump canyons? Even if they do really exist which I doubt we aren't talking about real life so get over it.

[SmileX]

So now we are at the point where Batman needs to be impervious to incendiaries?

[ArmyDragon92A]

1) Does anyone know what the actual material is that they used for the spiderman suit? It doesn't look like spandex but it doesn't look like stiff rubber either. More like a combination of the two.

2)ArmyDragon. Why do you always say that these things are real? The army uses stealth tanks that have missles that jump canyons? Even if they do really exist which I doubt we aren't talking about real life so get over it.


1) It's silk screened lycra/spandex. The pattern on the costume is entirely printed and has no actual texture. The black costume is a different story. Same material, different shade used for the brick pattern.

2) I say it's real because it's true? Telling me to "get over it" doesn't change the fact that Chris Nolan is doing his best to make a "Rea Life" version of Batman. Maybe you need to get over whatever this "it" is. :huh:

[rogue trooper]

I'm not ignoring a thing. I prefer the armoured look entirely. I never said that fabric cant work. it sure can. but the exact comic replica using fabric or armor? nah.

either way? IMO

yes MY opinion? The Armored look fits the batman Nolan is representing entirely.

BINGO!!

[ArmyDragon92A]

So now we are at the point where Batman needs to be impervious to incendiaries? Batman is always prepared. His armor (in the comics....the life which is not reality) his armor is designed to hold up against atleast 5 of Clark's held back blows. Just In Case.

So wheres the problem with him being prepared for a gun with explosive casing?

[IzzyJG99]

Has it ever occured to anyone of you nitwits that the suit he is wearing on the wooden deck is a puffy and soft stunt suit for a stuntman or possibly the updated Begins suit that he wears for the first half of the movie before adopting the newer lighter and better version you see in the EW Magazine? DUH-DER.

[Crook]

Batman is always prepared. His armor (in the comics....the life which is not reality) his armor is designed to hold up against atleast 5 of Clark's held back blows. Just In Case.
Is this some made up statistic? I don't recall that being the case, with the exception of DKR where he made a suit specifically for combating Clark.

Has it ever occured to anyone of you nitwits that the suit he is wearing on the wooden deck is a puffy and soft stunt suit for a stuntman or possibly the updated Begins suit that he wears for the first half of the movie before adopting the newer lighter and better version you see in the EW Magazine? DUH-DER.
Yeah, it has. About 15 pages back, and roughly 10 hours ago. :o

[Wams]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/

Uhg!

[SmileX]

1) It's silk screened lycra/spandex. The pattern on the costume is entirely printed and has no actual texture. The black costume is a different story. Same material, different shade used for the brick pattern.

2) I say it's real because it's true? Telling me to "get over it" doesn't change the fact that Chris Nolan is doing his best to make a "Rea Life" version of Batman. Maybe you need to get over whatever this "it" is. :huh:

I know for a fact you are full of crap about the printed lycra/spandex. Much of the design is raised which is more than just a print screen.

Everyone keeps saying that Nolan is going for real life but it is just as far from real life as any other Batman. He makes devices up that are almost ridiculous as the other films.

[darknight7]

Actually. As someone who has study iga Ryu ninjutsu alongside Shaolin Kung Fu since i was four years old. Ninja do wear armor and are NOT fast enough to dodge bullets. Bruce is NOT faster than a bullet and never has been. there is no true batman fan that will sit here and agree with that statement no matter what you say. You're going over board there buddy.


But I clearly said he isn't faster than a bullet

" Yes it is unrealistic for a human to dodge bullets, but it isn't the fact that Batman/Bruce is FASTER than a bullet, it is the fact that he uses deception, fear and SKILL!!! "


...just that he should move quick...

--dk7

[ArmyDragon92A]

Is this some made up statistic? I don't recall that being the case, with the exception of DKR where he made a suit specifically for combating Clark.



No it's not made up. He had to deal with Clark going whacko during the start of the Hush arc with Jim Lee's art. He says it himself while trying to hold back clark within the sewers after Poison Ivy took him over.

[ArmyDragon92A]

I know for a fact you are full of crap about the printed lycra/spandex. Much of the design is raised which is more than just a print screen.

Everyone keeps saying that Nolan is going for real life but it is just as far from real life as any other Batman. He makes devices up that are almost ridiculous as the other films. Now I know for a fact you haven't a clue about what you're saying. The only thing raised on the costume is the webbing and the outer rim of the lenses. beyond that and the Spider emblems, the costume is simple spandex. and I prove this very easily. Give me a few moments.

[Motown Marvel]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/

Uhg!

ew, gross!!!

[SmileX]

Now I know for a fact you haven't a clue about what you're saying. The only thing raised on the costume is the webbing and the outer rim of the lenses. beyond that and the Spider emblems, the costume is simple spandex. and I prove this very easily. Give me a few moments.

First you say the pattern is entirely screened and now you say that the web, which covers the entire costume, is raise. Get your facts straight. Look at the pic below.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7056/spiderman33008061024ef3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[darknight7]

It would totally Work for batman. They're just being stubborn. Besides no one said that he absolutely had to have the bottoms like in the comics. A comic book batsuit made from the Black Spidey material would be awesome. He would not look ridiculous and he most certainly would not get hurt the way you try to make him. Because Batman is at the top of his game. Before he leaps into any situation he's already got a plan, a contingency plan, and a back up for that one too. Thus, he doesn't worry about getting shot, stabbed, or maimed cause he knows what to do in any given situation, perfectly.

Thats why he's so Cool.

Oh and P.S.

Batman doesn't have to be faster than a bullet, just faster than the shooter.


FASTER THAN THE SHOOTER!!! that's what I was getting at. I just didn't explain myself properly. But I DID make mention of Batman NOT being FASTER than a bullet.

I also agree that is what makes Batman cool. The fact that he always knows what to do next. Batman wearing POUNDS of armor, makes him like any other character. The fact that he is a human, and can do super natural things because he is at the top of his game both physically and mentally is what makes him cool. Not the fact that he can be like any other character and put on an Iron Man suit to fight crime.

I think armor is FINE...but it needs to be minimal.
--dk7

[SmileX]

So wheres the problem with him being prepared for a gun with explosive casing?

Because by your logic he wouldn't even need to bother sneaking up on people anymore. He can just walk right up and grab them because hey "he's always prepared".

[Midnite]

I don't mind the new suit, only thing that bugs me is the big shoulder armour and the knee caps. Then again its only 1 shot of the new suit. I was hoping they were going to use the materials from Spider-man, Fantastic Four, and Superman Returns. In the movie universe Fox could say they developed a lightweight nomex kelvar material. Hell for even more protection, have Bruce in one scene putting on a lightweight verison of the Dragon skin tech covering the vital organs and then put on the skin tight nomex suit on top of it. (Spiderman, FF, Superman Returns material) Does anyone share this view with me? :ninja:

[Crook]

Because by your logic he wouldn't even need to bother sneaking up on people anymore. He can just walk right up and grab them because hey "he's always prepared".
Yeah, that's true. Batman needs protection, but when it comes to priorities, stealth and mobility are higher up.

[Bandyt]

I read a few posts and is there a picture of a different costume out there or something now?

[Wams]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_back-772800.jpg

[ArmyDragon92A]

First you say the pattern is entirely screened and now you say that the web, which covers the entire costume, is raise. Get your facts straight. Look at the pic below.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7056/spiderman33008061024ef3.jpg (http://imageshack.us) Now with being condscending you're also unable to read.

I said ASIDE FROM the webbing, and spiders, nothing is raised on that costume. It's entirely silk screened. The brick pattern is SILK SCREENED onto the fabric. Stop being a tard. It's getting annoying.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Because by your logic he wouldn't even need to bother sneaking up on people anymore. He can just walk right up and grab them because hey "he's always prepared". No. By my logic he's protected "just in case". You're twisting my point around to suit your response against mine. Don't do that.

[Bandyt]

Just found this one. Doesn't look solid to me, Judging by the dodgy set and the crew around him, this is a stunt sequence and that is a padded stunt suit. The Official picture looked much harder. Also, looks like he's about to Jump down.

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753008.jpg

[Saint]

Those set pics of the stunt suit may not be the best indicator, but the cape attachment appears to be much closer to that of the comics. I don't see clasps. and it looks to be attached at--or near--the neck, which could allow it to close at the front.

Am I the only one who finds this interesting?

[SmileX]

No ArmyDragon this is what you originally said so get your own BS right.

"It's silk screened lycra/spandex. The pattern on the costume is entirely printed and has no actual texture."

[Bandyt]

I do. No Clasps, yay!

[ArmyDragon92A]

No ArmyDragon this is what you originally said so get your own BS right.

"It's silk screened lycra/spandex. The pattern on the costume is entirely printed and has no actual texture." Exactly. You just proved me right. Quote the rest of the post. I'll do it for you.

"The Pattern On the Costume"

The Pattern being the BRICK PATTERN. It has NO texture what so ever. If you've ever seen the movies or the costume in person you'd know this. you're being a troll right now.

[Bandyt]

Am I the only one who finds this interesting?

Take it to the Spiderman Boards, you two!

[ArmyDragon92A]

Take it to the Spiderman Boards, you two! Funny. I was about to send him there. but he wouldn't go. He'd be embarrassed by saying the brick pattern on the costume is raised just like the webbing.

[Bandyt]

The Brick pattern isn't raised. The Webbing and spider are. The Brick pattern is the interlocking pattern of the fabric which is specially designed for Peters powers. End of story. Now shush. Batsuit discussions. I don't think this is Batbike suit. I can't see there being a Batbike. On second thought, there might be. Slim chance, depends whether they can find a good reason for him to NEED a batbike.

[Dangerous]

Oh well whatdya know, its gone the other way.. He looks like a damn armadillo.

[Flying Jokeshop]

Reposted from Bof forum.

There has been some criticism of the new Bat-suit regarding it's armoured look. Basicly the argument is that it takes away from the idea of Batman being a 'creature of the night' if people can see that he is wearing armour, they will figure that he is human and not some kind of bat-creature.

I dissagree. Every bat-suit that I have seen from every source has been obviously a costume when seen close up.
In the comics and cartoon, they portray the 'creature of the night angle' by having him in silhouette, any clear look at him and it's obvious that he is in a costume. In B89 they conveyed the idea in a Dracula kind of way, by having bullets knock him down only for him to get up and keep coming. But if you think about it to much you'll realize the big yellow oval kind gives it away that it's a costume

Nolan came closest to conveying the idea in Begin's, I believe, by obscuring your view of him, by having move quickly or like an animal, by having him appear like a horned beast in silheuette. But a close up look at him standing still and he's a guy in a costume.

If the makers of Batman wanted to take the idea of people not believing Batman is human to it's logical conclusion, it would be a huge departure from tradition. He would probably have tufts of animal fur on his costume, the cloak would have to look like membranous wings, his chest would have to seem veiny and fleshlike, ironically this is a scenario where hairy bat nipples would actually help. And most fans would be crying bloody murder.

So to summerise, every batsuit in history has looked like a man in a costume when seen close up, the only major difference with this new one is that he looks like an EXTREMELY FRIGHTENING AND DANGEROUS guy in a costume.
No doubt when he is in motion, or in the shadows, he will still seem like a mythic creature.

[dario2739]

Great post Flying Jokeshop - it's true that anyone getting a first hand look at Batman will realise he is just a man in a costume.
The mythos surrounding Batman being a creature of the night is spread by the word of mouth of people that have only heard stories of him and probably never seen him first hand.
I actually think one of the cleverest things Nolan did in Batman Begins was the scene where Batman glided over the narrows and everyone saw him as a demon-type character because of the Scarecrow's fear gas. The survivors of that will have then gone on to tell of how Batman is a monstrous creature of the night with firey eyes - making him a scary, bogeyman-like figure who you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night!

[Flying Jokeshop]

Great post Flying Jokeshop - it's true that anyone getting a first hand look at Batman will realise he is just a man in a costume.
The mythos surrounding Batman being a creature of the night is spread by the word of mouth of people that have only heard stories of him and probably never seen him first hand.
I actually think one of the cleverest things Nolan did in Batman Begins was the scene where Batman glided over the narrows and everyone saw him as a demon-type character because of the Scarecrow's fear gas. The survivors of that will have then gone on to tell of how Batman is a monstrous creature of the night with firey eyes - making him a scary, bogeyman-like figure who you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night!

Yeh I love that scene.

[dark_b]

Great post Flying Jokeshop - it's true that anyone getting a first hand look at Batman will realise he is just a man in a costume.
The mythos surrounding Batman being a creature of the night is spread by the word of mouth of people that have only heard stories of him and probably never seen him first hand.
I actually think one of the cleverest things Nolan did in Batman Begins was the scene where Batman glided over the narrows and everyone saw him as a demon-type character because of the Scarecrow's fear gas. The survivors of that will have then gone on to tell of how Batman is a monstrous creature of the night with firey eyes - making him a scary, bogeyman-like figure who you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night!
never thought about that. you are right, when they were alk under fear gass they saw the demon bat.

so basicly he is now a boogeyman.

you all think that nolan wanted all thsi or was this just luck?

[Nepenthes]

^ I always thought that was quite deliberate. The beginning of a legend or myth

[MJZ]

Why don't you mother****ers realize that spandex isn't the only alternate material to rubber?!! Why! Just why! Why can't you get that there are other materials and fabrics out there? Why! Why!
Spandex, rubber. Rubber, spandex.

Why are you people so thickheaded!!!!!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!




So you want a polyester suit...

[graveyardtramp]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/

Uhg!

Jeez I kept out of forming an opinion until I saw some more pics but that there is one ugly, eyesore of a Batsuit! I can't believe Nolan and co would deliberately make something that looks so incredibly messy, that pic makes him look like he's made of rock like The Thing! Even if it's just a stuntman in daylight, it's an awful, awful costume from what I've seen so far...I'll still wait until I see more official pics and clips of the suit in action and the way it is being lit before I totally make up my mind, but I'm definately getting bad vibes about the way Batman is gonna look in this film.

[TheBatman072]

Jeez I kept out of forming an opinion until I saw some more pics but that there is one ugly, eyesore of a Batsuit! I can't believe Nolan and co would deliberately make something that looks so incredibly messy, that pic makes him look like he's made of rock like The Thing! Even if it's just a stuntman in daylight, it's an awful, awful costume from what I've seen so far...I'll still wait until I see more official pics and clips of the suit in action and the way it is being lit before I totally make up my mind, but I'm definately getting bad vibes about the way Batman is gonna look in this film.


The stunt-suit in Batman Begins looked pretty cheap and ugly too.

[graveyardtramp]

The stunt-suit in Batman Begins looked pretty cheap and ugly too.

Well that's somewhat re-assuring!

[batbat_29640]

Some people just hate cause it's all they know to do . . . others must LOOoove the taste of crow.

[TheBatman072]

Well that's somewhat re-assuring!


I'll just quote myself from another thread:


I can't believe that people would look at these and then look at the promo shot and say they are the same.

The above is OBVIOUSLY a stuntshot. It looks thicker becuase, most likely, there's extra padding in it to give the stunt-man more protection.

They can always slim it down a little in post-production like they did for Gwen Stacy in SM3 with her in the harness.

[Judson Caspian]

Btw... Why did they remove the big animal neck? Now it's more like his own neck size.

[SpinyNorman]

Btw... Why did they remove the big animal neck? Now it's more like his own neck size.

So he could move around. First Batman to be able to do that, I think.

[The Kid]

FASTER THAN THE SHOOTER!!! that's what I was getting at. I just didn't explain myself properly. But I DID make mention of Batman NOT being FASTER than a bullet.

I also agree that is what makes Batman cool. The fact that he always knows what to do next. Batman wearing POUNDS of armor, makes him like any other character. The fact that he is a human, and can do super natural things because he is at the top of his game both physically and mentally is what makes him cool. Not the fact that he can be like any other character and put on an Iron Man suit to fight crime.

I think armor is FINE...but it needs to be minimal.
--dk7

exactly. that's the key. ground troops have nothing but a bullet proof vest and helmet and they're going to seriously go up against worse than batman will.

You know your batman. he's pushed himself since childhood (not since early adulthood like in the film)
beyond any one's limits, he's extremely knowledgable, his muscle have become rock solid, super strong, so much so that he can move faster, jump higher, quicker and do that thing where he punches someone behind him. *(tis from the comics, nolan. It's ok to do this) so beyond the bat costume, he's viewed as something inhuman because of his ridiculous skills. That's been my problem with the films besides the ones that needed rubber. Bale doesn't need rubbers. He could easily bulk up and perform batman raw, full, hard, un restrained, yet that's not what we'll get for the 6th time. I'm not surprised people are really tired of the rubber/armor suits. Its seriously getting older than jesus.

Imagine this. this'll make it clear why I think heavy armor's not batman's style.

Imagine training all your life to fight crime. You've mastered martial arts to such a level that you almost have force powers. Now imagine jet li vs some random fat thug. would he be scared of getting shot at all?

[Judson Caspian]

So he could move around. First Batman to be able to do that, I think.
They should've been able to have it either way. Hmm... whatever.

[itsthebatman]

Thank god the suit pic got leaked. WB STILL hasn't released an official version of the picture. Imagine if this was our first look? These boards would be hell. :o
They are very quiet and peaceful at the moment aren't they?:oldrazz:
so what if it looks bad, I remember I hated the look of the first suit when the first pics came out, then when the movie came out batman looked like a BAMF. have faith my brothers
If only more people had your attitude. But then again, Guard (in particular) has said he doubts that the suit will ruin the movie for him, no matter how much he hates it, just that it will affect his enjoyment.

[batbat_29640]

Hey it's a new 'serious' and 'dark' Batman movie. With a creepy Joker even. Now Zimmer has said that Batman will earn his theme. I'm gawn be one happy MOFO!

[Darknightnomis]

That new suit is Awwesome anmd a lot more menacing looking than the first one. And I got a feeling it will look a lot more darker on screen than in the poto.

I remember when I saw the first pic of the suit from Batman Begins and I hated it becasue for some reason it look brown but when I seen it in the theatre it looked awesome.

[ultimatefan]

Hey has the "new batsuit is HERE!' thread being merged with this one? I was looking for it, and couldn´t find it.

[SpinyNorman]

exactly. that's the key. ground troops have nothing but a bullet proof vest and helmet and they're going to seriously go up against worse than batman will.


They're also going to be in very large numbers with the backing of hundreds of thousands of people managing satellites, mapping, artillery, air and sea support, with connections all over the world and the financing of a major government. They will also have guns, and will use lethal force before any other type of force, with occasional regard to civilian life, but not always.

Batman is one rich dude who's pissed off and is extremely smart, but doesn't want to kill anyone. He's going up against hundreds, maybe thousands of people. Of COURSE he's going to need armor. He's going to need everything he can get.

[Hotwire]

The Brick pattern isn't raised. The Webbing and spider are. The Brick pattern is the interlocking pattern of the fabric which is specially designed for Peters powers. End of story. Now shush. Batsuit discussions. I don't think this is Batbike suit. I can't see there being a Batbike. On second thought, there might be. Slim chance, depends whether they can find a good reason for him to NEED a batbike.

Who would have know that by this time today, you would have to eat those words. The Batcycle is real, it was shown to the world during The Today Show this morning. It was also said by the person they were interviewing, that Batman doesn't ask for the bike, he "aquires" it. Take that for what it's worth.

[RakuMon]

Just found this one. Doesn't look solid to me, Judging by the dodgy set and the crew around him, this is a stunt sequence and that is a padded stunt suit. The Official picture looked much harder. Also, looks like he's about to Jump down.

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753008.jpg

I'm digging that the Bat emblem seems to be a darker shade of black than the rest of the suit! And it looks huge across the chest. Very Alex Ross-y. :up:

Also, put me firmly in the camp of people who believe this is an extra padded version of the suit and isn't the same as the one in the magazine. This one is clearly for stunt purposes.

[bunk]

Hey it's a new 'serious' and 'dark' Batman movie. With a creepy Joker even. Now Zimmer has said that Batman will earn his theme. I'm gawn be one happy MOFO!


I wonder if Joker will have a theme?

[bunk]

Who would have know that by this time today, you would have to eat those words. The Batcycle is real, it was shown to the world during The Today Show this morning. It was also said by the person they were interviewing, that Batman doesn't ask for the bike, he "aquires" it. Take that for what it's worth.


Really? Video?

[spider-neil]

the new suit in the blog photo looks awful :csad:

[BatB]

thats just a stunt suit spider-neil. and yes the bat-cycle was indeed revealed today. check out the thread.

[DarkSuperman]

I'm not a tech expert, but I have seen this vid:

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Therefore, it's plausible this type of technology can be explained in the movie if need be. No more outrageous than the jumping Batmobile and electrified cape.

Dude that video is extremely cool. That pretty much proves Batman can have his cake and eat it too. The Super Scientist pretty much proved it.

[spider-neil]

thats just a stunt suit spider-neil. and yes the bat-cycle was indeed revealed today. check out the thread.


I hope so. the photo that was revealed last week was quite good.

[DarkSuperman]

exactly. that's the key. ground troops have nothing but a bullet proof vest and helmet and they're going to seriously go up against worse than batman will.

You know your batman. he's pushed himself since childhood (not since early adulthood like in the film)
beyond any one's limits, he's extremely knowledgable, his muscle have become rock solid, super strong, so much so that he can move faster, jump higher, quicker and do that thing where he punches someone behind him. *(tis from the comics, nolan. It's ok to do this) so beyond the bat costume, he's viewed as something inhuman because of his ridiculous skills. That's been my problem with the films besides the ones that needed rubber. Bale doesn't need rubbers. He could easily bulk up and perform batman raw, full, hard, un restrained, yet that's not what we'll get for the 6th time. I'm not surprised people are really tired of the rubber/armor suits. Its seriously getting older than jesus.

Imagine this. this'll make it clear why I think heavy armor's not batman's style.

Imagine training all your life to fight crime. You've mastered martial arts to such a level that you almost have force powers. Now imagine jet li vs some random fat thug. would he be scared of getting shot at all?

I totally agree. This is what I've been trying to say for the longest. They're not representing batman to his fullest. If they did there wouldn't be this need for debate.

[batbat_29640]

I wonder if Joker will have a theme?
lol . . . yeah it will be called 'teh puffy' .

[Dark Spidey]

Exactly. You just proved me right. Quote the rest of the post. I'll do it for you.

"The Pattern On the Costume"

The Pattern being the BRICK PATTERN. It has NO texture what so ever. If you've ever seen the movies or the costume in person you'd know this. you're being a troll right now.

That pattern is actually referred to as "The Honeycomb" by the costume makers. And you are half right. The red and blue suit has no texture. But the honeycomb pattern of the black costume is raised and rubberised to give it a three dimensional effect.

[Dark Spidey]

As for the new pics of the stunt suit. It looks to me like they have yet to add the Bat symbol to it.

[mikebatho]

Dude that video is extremely cool. That pretty much proves Batman can have his cake and eat it too. The Super Scientist pretty much proved it.

Nice!!

I'd like to see that technogogy used to make trousers for postmen to fend off angry dogs.

Seriously though, it would save your life, but you'd still have such a massive impact to the muscle beneath that it would knock it out of action for some time....

So I'd say if we're going down the road of complete realism, you'd still need a layer underneath thick enough to disperse the impact.

I still say let's have a Batman so fast & sneaky he stays out of the way of bullets, instead of arming himself against any possible threat.....

The odd protective panel here or there, but not enough to make him look like robocop.

I'm worried that if you take away the ears on the cowl, it doesn't instantly register as bats anymore......

I also think the poll at the top of the page should have 3 options, as I'd rather have a new suit, less armoured than BB or TDK.

[MALFUNCTION]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/JARGON0101/fatman101.jpg

[ingraman]

thats just a stunt suit spider-neil. and yes the bat-cycle was indeed revealed today. check out the thread.

It doesn't matter whether or not its a stunt suit. It's a fact that most costumes look ridiculous in broad daylight without any lighting.

[Castlewood]

Well, in my opinion, this new suit actually compliments this idea of "escalation" nicely, and it adds a sense of continuity to the end of BB.

"We use semi-automatics, they buy automatics... We start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor-piercing rounds..."

To me, the mob, or "evil-doers" - if you will - will have said rounds, and maybe they're killing cops quicker and easier.

Batman would obviously have to "evolve" and adapt to his environment by answering the challenge of armor-piercing rounds. The original Batsuit probably couldn't withstand these bullets.... this new suit can.

It's just another way for Bruce to be one step ahead of them.

[SpinyNorman]

From what I understand of the plot, Gotham devolves into a veritable war zone. So of course he's going to have to up the ante a ton.

[bunk]

It doesn't matter whether or not its a stunt suit. It's a fact that most costumes look ridiculous in broad daylight without any lighting.

No, it's because it's a stunt suit. The lighting isn't what makes it look so ill fitting. We can only hope it isn't a problem in the move.

[ultimatefan]

The comparison with soldiers is pointless. First, soldiers carry TONS or firearms, grenades, etc., and Batman uses only light, non-lethal weapons like batarangs. Second, soldiers fight in troops, and Batman works alone. Third, I dunno if fighting drug dealer gangs is THAT much softer than fighting enemy troops..

[sasquatchs]

MAGGIE, AARON SPOTTED IN CHICAGO! Check it out!

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/06/photos-of-maggie-gyllenhaal-aaron.html

Hmm, I think your server just exploded, not responding for me

[bunk]

MAGGIE, AARON SPOTTED IN CHICAGO! Check it out!

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/06/photos-of-maggie-gyllenhaal-aaron.html

Old stuff

[Spade]

I've always seen Nolan's Batman as a modern ninja, and despite differing ethics soldiers of war don't tend to deviate much in terms of relevancy. Nolan's Batman just seems to take the ninja sensibilites of shrouding oneself in darkness (which they felt was best done with grey, not stereotypical black) and apply it to modern items of warfare.

[GoogleMe94]

Hey it's a new 'serious' and 'dark' Batman movie. With a creepy Joker even. Now Zimmer has said that Batman will earn his theme. I'm gawn be one happy MOFO!

when has zimmer said that batman will finally hae a theme?? link?? i would love for him to actually have a theme (although i doubt it will be elfman good).

also, in the new pic, his cowl forehead looks smaller. THANK GOD!! the one think i absolutly hated about the begins suit was the huuuge marge simpson hair forehead, with those teeny little ears on top! he looked like mouse-man. now the ears looks taller, and the forehead smaller. very good.

[dark_b]

I've always seen Nolan's Batman as a modern ninja, and despite differing ethics soldiers of war don't tend to deviate much in terms of relevancy. Nolan's Batman just seems to take the ninja sensibilites of shrouding oneself in darkness (which they felt was best done with grey, not stereotypical black) and apply it to modern items of warfare.ninja? how did you come up wit this ? :woot:

[GoogleMe94]

they really need to ditch the whole ninja thing. its corny.

[Catman]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753008.jpg

That looks horrible! :down

[The Kid]

The comparison with soldiers is pointless. First, soldiers carry TONS or firearms, grenades, etc., and Batman uses only light, non-lethal weapons like batarangs. Second, soldiers fight in troops, and Batman works alone. Third, I dunno if fighting drug dealer gangs is THAT much softer than fighting enemy troops..

The comparison was made to illustrate how little soldiers wear in real war situations. I didn't start the comparison, I'm just using it to its fullest extent. Everyone else has been saying how much more combat evolved batman is now because he's like an advanced marine or something. I'm pointing out that not even troops who, yes must face heavey artillary fire were not much more than a bullet proof vest and helmet in a war.

Batman against that fat guy in the rain really to me anyway didn't require a full suit of armor. Typically batman only needs to wear full iron man armor when he's fighting superman or someone like that.

[Crook]

they really need to ditch the whole ninja thing. its corny.
Yeah let's just ditch an important part of what makes Batman. :dry:

[JamalYIgle]

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8906/newbatmansuitgx4ej3.jpg
http://blog.scifi.com/tech/pics/liquid-armor.jpg
i'm surprised no one here's made the connection. It's a modified version of standard issue protective gear.
http://www.highvelocitygear.com/images/ba_front_x400.jpg It also mixes in the type of body armor that motorcycle sport racers wear. It's actually very cool and makes perfect sense that in a world where you would have a "Batman" like vigilante, this is the type of thing he'd wear.

[bunk]

http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/uploaded_images/batsuit_front-753008.jpg

This picture still makes me laugh.

"Wait... you want me to do what?"

[gap5ewl]

I think the suits brilliant. Plus batman is human and needs armor to protect himself. The last suit was kinda bulky and hard for him to move in so this new suit will not only give him good protection, but also give him more flexibility. Also it reminds me a lot of a knights suit of armor due to the look and placement of the armor which makes sense since the sequal is titles "The Dark Knight". Batman is literally The Dark Knight now. And that pic that was just puplished is a bad picture. Bad Angle and the pic is kind of blurry. Plus there's no good lighting on it either when they're filming the scenes there will be good lighting and camera techniques to make the suit look good on film.

[CConn]

God, everyone is blindly ignorant here when it comes to armor.

Except you, Jamal. That last issue of Nightwing was fantastic.

[JamalYIgle]

God, everyone is blindly ignorant here when it comes to armor.

Except you, Jamal. That last issue of Nightwing was fantastic.

Thanks, it's appreciated.
I just want to say something to all the fans who would like to see a more clothlike costume. I understand where you're coming from,the thing is the only reason it works in the comics is because we(Meaning comics creators"say it does. A guy running around in the real word wearing spandex and kevlar, even well trained would be dead inside a year.

[Saint]

Thanks, it's appreciated.
I just want to say something to all the fans who would like to see a more clothlike costume. I understand where you're coming from,the thing is the only reason it works in the comics is because we(Meaning comics creators"say it does. A guy running around in the real word wearing spandex and kevlar, even well trained would be dead inside a year.

Then we are very fortunate that this film is not "the real world," yes? Oh, and nobody asked for spandex.

[Juanigi]

Who would have know that by this time today, you would have to eat those words. The Batcycle is real, it was shown to the world during The Today Show this morning. It was also said by the person they were interviewing, that Batman doesn't ask for the bike, he "aquires" it. Take that for what it's worth.Really? Video?http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/msnbc/fv.htm??g=13f4067e-e33c-4d98-96b1-51bafdd4f35e

[Motown Marvel]

im totally cool with the whole idea of armor and what not, obviously it'd be necessary for batman to have armor....i just think this suit goes about it the wrong way. it's terribly designed.

[Octoberist]

it's overdone for sure, but we'll see how it looks in the film. I like it, i don't love it, but I'm cool with it.

[Timstuff]

Batman is not supposed to be a walking flag like Spider-Man or Superman, so a cloth costume does not make sense for him. And a gray costume rather than black would be a downright stupid idea. Bill Finger originally wanted Batman to be all black, but DC made him and Bob Kane change it because 1) The cost of black ink, and 2) DC said it was too scary. Why the heck should Nolan intentionally make Batman LESS scary by giving him a gray costume?

[Saint]

im totally cool with the whole idea of armor and what not, obviously it'd be necessary for batman to have armor....i just think this suit goes about it the wrong way. it's terribly designed.

I don't agree: it is fantastically designed. If you mean to say that it's not suitably designed for Batman, that's a different matter, but I wouldn't argue that it's fundamentally unattractive.

[GhostPoet]

I think there's one way to clear up this whole arguement.

The new Batsuit is freakin's awsome looking and perfect for the vigilante Batman is...and everyone else is wrong.


=)

[Motown Marvel]

I don't agree: it is fantastically designed. If you mean to say that it's not suitably designed for Batman, that's a different matter, but I wouldn't argue that it's fundamentally unattractive.


well, yeah, of course i mean in regards to batman.

[MALFUNCTION]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/msnbc/fv.htm??g=13f4067e-e33c-4d98-96b1-51bafdd4f35e

Thanks!
Cool lookin' bike. I'm not down with the guns, think they look kinda fake.
But still a real cool bike.

[GoogleMe94]

Yeah let's just ditch an important part of what makes Batman. :dry:

other then begins, where does it says batman ever was a ninja?

[Octoberist]

the guns do stick out from the rest of the designs..

[GoogleMe94]

Absolutely and I love the Burton films.

same here. its a movie. ppl need to get this whole "realism" thing outta there heads all the time. these are fantasy movies too, not just phycological drama's.

anyways, the new batsuit looks thinner from the side, but what about th front? you guys think it will look like "teh puffy" once again?

[GoogleMe94]

I think there's one way to clear up this whole arguement.

The new Batsuit is freakin's awsome looking and perfect for the vigilante Batman is...and everyone else is wrong.


=)

there they go again, fanboys acting like there opinion is fact. grow up.

[Saint]

other then begins, where does it says batman ever was a ninja?

Go buy a comic book.

[dark_b]

the guns do stick out from the rest of the designs..
i just imagine nolan looking at the bike and thinking: guys this is waaay to cool. make the guns longer.

[Crook]

other then begins, where does it says batman ever was a ninja?
..in a dozen or so comic books outlining Bruce was taught by various martial arts masters throughout the world, including ninjitsu?

[Juanigi]

here's a huge version of the batsuit shot http://www.comingsoon.net/images/batmannewsuit.jpg

[Saint]

here's a huge version of the batsuit shot http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/TDK_first-pic-of-batman_LARGE.jpg

Whoo! Finally! This poster should get free money!

[dark_b]

here's a huge version of the batsuit shot http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/TDK_first-pic-of-batman_LARGE.jpg


dear lord :wow:
i can not breath......please help me. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BADASS

[GhostPoet]

..in a dozen or so comic books outlining Bruce was taught by various martial arts masters throughout the world, including ninjitsu?


that's what they WANT you to think...but in reality...the story goes that Bruce Wayne was raised by a group of Carnies and they tought him the power of Miming. It was though this ability he was able to achieve a perfect state of harmony with the universe...until his family was killed in a freak clown/cigar/mini-car/rope accident. He then knew he needed to take his miming skills to the streets...after accidently hitting someone in the face walking by as he used his miming techniques...he realized he could fight crime.

the end.