Batsuit Discussion Thread

[itsthebatman]

Don't worry about the toy suit. I couldn't give a s*** if it were purple with yellow polka-dots. The colour scheme is onviously different to the film suit. It's just a crap, badly-designed toy.

[GoogleMe94]

i really dont think that the figure will look like that in a year. i bet it will be black, just like the movie suit. like i said, its more likely then not a prototype.

hey, i cant wait to get meself a batman figure as well, so i just want it to look cool like the movie one, not some innacurate POS like the one posted.

[Anguissette1979]

i really dont think that the figure will look like that in a year. i bet it will be black, just like the movie suit. like i said, its more likely then not a prototype.

hey, i cant wait to get meself a batman figure as well, so i just want it to look cool like the movie one, not some innacurate POS like the one posted.

Wasn't the begins toy all funny colors when the first pics came out? I remember seeing it and going, "huh?!?" :wow:

[GoogleMe94]

Wasn't the begins toy all funny colors when the first pics came out? I remember seeing it and going, "huh?!?" :wow:


hmmmm.....i think i may remember something like that, but barely. was that actually the case with the begins figures? does anyone still have those early figure pics?

[Steelsheen]

i had to LOL at this :D

http://www.fscwv.edu/users/jfairchild/tron.jpg

Anyone remember that movie Tron?

[The Caped Knight]

^ lol

[Darkest Knight]

The new TDK suit is black and grey-ish. Way more so than the all-black BEGINS suit.

[bunk]

That figure is terrible, and yes it's a bad sculpt, but those are the design elements of this suit. Might as well get used to them now.

I figured out what he looks like. Not Tron, not Robocop, or Solid Snake...Batman looks like a New God in his new duds.

Some of you are so black and white it's almost sad. You literally CANNOT like some element of something and dislike an element of something. One of them has to rock, and the other, despite also rocking, has to suck.

That said, Bunk, can you make a manip where the bodysuit and belt are black, too?



You mean have the bodysuit as dark as the cape, or as dark as the cowl?

[batbat_29640]

That figure doesn't look articulated either.
Hey here's an idea. Instead of all of these manips (which alot are very cool btw) how about building your batsuit idea with an action figure.

[Darkest Knight]

Guys in person, the suit is black / grey ... just like that figure. The pic from EW has a lighting effect on it. The BEGINS suit was sitting right next to it, and that suit was PITCH black ... where as TDK suit had shades of grey with darker blacks. I saw them last night, trust me.

[GoogleMe94]

the articulation looks like it could be underneath the suit.

[itsthebatman]

Wasn't the begins toy all funny colors when the first pics came out? I remember seeing it and going, "huh?!?" :wow:
You sure you weren't partaking of the waccy baccy the night you saw the BEGINS toy?

[GoogleMe94]

Guys in person, the suit is black / grey ... just like that figure. The pic from EW has a lighting effect on it. The BEGINS suit was sitting right next to it, and that suit was PITCH black ... where as TDK suit had shades of grey with darker blacks. I saw them last night, trust me.

would you say its mostly black or mostly grey? i dont want a mostly grey batsuit! black is cooler!

[Keyser Sushi]

hmmmm.....i think i may remember something like that, but barely. was that actually the case with the begins figures? does anyone still have those early figure pics?

I do. Most of them bear no resemblance to anything from the movie.

[GoogleMe94]

I do. Most of them bear no resemblance to anything from the movie.

are you talkin about the early "prototype" figures or the official multi colored figures from the basic line?

[itsthebatman]

Sanity has come to the hype. Keyser is here. rejoice, rejoice!
Teh toy sux.

[Crook]

Guys in person, the suit is black / grey ... just like that figure. The pic from EW has a lighting effect on it. The BEGINS suit was sitting right next to it, and that suit was PITCH black ... where as TDK suit had shades of grey with darker blacks. I saw them last night, trust me.
How gray was it? Surely it couldn't have been as bright as the toy.

[Anguissette1979]

I do. Most of them bear no resemblance to anything from the movie.

There you are Sushi... there's an imposter kicking around who isn't nearly as fun. :oldrazz:

[Darkest Knight]

How gray was it? Surely it couldn't have been as bright as the toy.
Not as bright as the toy, but I think the that toy isn't finished or is a very early prototype. Notice the textured mesh on the figure where it's grey? That is a really dark grey on the actual suit, and on the figure where those various items are PITCH BLACK, it is the exact same in real life. So it gives a subtle look of being black and grey. Alittle contrast, know what I mean. Don't snap off on the toy, it obviously isn't finished yet. The coloring needs to be slightly adjusted and they haven't even put the articulation in yet ... which means they threw it together for just the intial mold. But in an early exaggerated sense, that's how the suit looks boys and girls.

[Darkest Knight]

I do. Most of them bear no resemblance to anything from the movie.
Yeah, the variants. However there was plenty of on the spot accurate characters in the line.

[Crook]

Not as bright as the toy, but I think the that toy isn't finished or is a very early prototype. Notice the textured mesh on the figure where it's grey? That is a really dark grey on the actual suit, and on the figure where those various items are PITCH BLACK, it is the exact same in real life. So it gives a subtle look of being black and grey. Alittle contrast, know what I mean. Don't snap off on the toy, it obviously isn't finished yet. The coloring needs to be slightly adjusted and they haven't even put the articulation in yet ... which means they threw it together for just the intial mold. But in an early exaggerated sense, that's how the suit looks boys and girls.
Ah ok, it seems like they've addressed the whole black/gray complaint that fans had, which is nice.

How about the cape attachment and the cowl itself? Any notable details?

[Keyser Sushi]

There you are Sushi... there's an imposter kicking around who isn't nearly as fun. :oldrazz:

LOL!!! I missed you, too. ;)

That's my evil twin, BTW... Soze. I think he pre-dates me on the Hype, but there is only one Sushi, and that is me. :oldrazz:

[Keyser Sushi]

are you talkin about the early "prototype" figures or the official multi colored figures from the basic line?

I think they were the prototypes... I'll dig them up, host them and re-post them here for the sake of sharts and giggles...

[GoogleMe94]

Not as bright as the toy, but I think the that toy isn't finished or is a very early prototype. Notice the textured mesh on the figure where it's grey? That is a really dark grey on the actual suit, and on the figure where those various items are PITCH BLACK, it is the exact same in real life. So it gives a subtle look of being black and grey. Alittle contrast, know what I mean. Don't snap off on the toy, it obviously isn't finished yet. The coloring needs to be slightly adjusted and they haven't even put the articulation in yet ... which means they threw it together for just the intial mold. But in an early exaggerated sense, that's how the suit looks boys and girls.


SEE!? i was right about the whole "its a prototype" thing.

another questions however. is the black "armor" parts of the suit as small as they are on the figure? from the official pic it seems the armor/black parts are much larger and cover more of the suit and that the grey parts are smaller. but on the figure, the armor parts look REALLY small and cover hardly anything.

[Darkest Knight]

How about the cape attachment and the cowl itself? Any notable details?
I didn't see someone in the finalized costume. Just the new cowl, the body suit, and cape. I don't know how it attatches yet. But when I was talking to Graham, I think he mentioned that there isn't clasps this time.

[Anguissette1979]

LOL!!! I missed you, too. ;)

That's my evil twin, BTW... Soze. I think he pre-dates me on the Hype, but there is only one Sushi, and that is me. :oldrazz:

Bah... Hype-Shmype. I don't know who's who anymore since some of the oldbies have changed their screen names :o

[Darkest Knight]

SEE!? i was right about the whole "its a prototype" thing.

another questions however. is the black "armor" parts of the suit as small as they are on the figure? from the official pic it seems the armor/black parts are much larger and cover more of the suit and that the grey parts are smaller. but on the figure, the armor parts look REALLY small and cover hardly anything.
This is all truth.

[C. Zejr]

^ DK, next time you run into Nolan tell him to focus on the detective side of Batman. We want to see his intellect. He is more than just a man.

Anyways, thanks for posting and sharing your experience. You rock! :up:

[GoogleMe94]

This is all truth.


which parts?

[Keyser Sushi]

Alright, here we go. These were the first promo images of the toys, I guess.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/BEGINSTOYS1.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/BEGINSTOYS4.jpg

[GoogleMe94]

^ Darkness, next time you run into Nolan tell him to focus on the detective side of Batman. We want to see his intellect.

Thanks for posting and sharing your experience.

and also let him know that his fight scenes suck and that he has to shoot them better so we can see them.

as nicley as possible, of course. :yay:

[GoogleMe94]

Alright, here we go. These were the first promo images of the toys, I guess.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/BEGINSTOYS1.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/BEGINSTOYS4.jpg


i dont think these would qualify as "prototype" pics, those are more like promotional pics.

[Wolfman]

and also let him know that his fight scenes suck and that he has to shoot them better so we can see them.

as nicley as possible, of course. :yay:


:woot:

[Keyser Sushi]

Bah... Hype-Shmype. I don't know who's who anymore since some of the oldbies have changed their screen names :o

I know, it's kinda distressing...

[GoogleMe94]

I want teh sets more than I want the figures.

same here :oldrazz:

[Keyser Sushi]

i dont think these would qualify as "prototype" pics, those are more like promotional pics.

That's what I said when I posted them.

When I told you "prototypes" I qualified it with an "I think," on account of not having looked at these pictures in a couple of years, and thus being uncertain as to what they were.

Memory gets foggy. I'm old. Leave me alone. :hyper:

[GoogleMe94]

i get ya sushi. thanks anyways for going through the trouble.

[Darkest Knight]

which parts?
All of ...

[Darkest Knight]

and also let him know that his fight scenes suck and that he has to shoot them better so we can see them.

as nicley as possible, of course. :yay:
I didn't think they sucked, so I will not be saying anything like that.

[fabman]

DAMN! I can't but read your Chicago report... :D

I read it like every 10 secs...

[Crook]

I didn't think they sucked, so I will not be saying anything like that.
You can ask him if he plans to use the same method in shooting fighting/action scenes. Also ask about if there's any other martial art forms used besides Keysi. :up:

[batbat_29640]

hey guys would the old promos be posted in the Hype archives?

[Darkest Knight]

ALL the Keysi guys were there, with wife beaters that said KEYSI ... so I assume no. Anyone suggesting I put down anything Nolan has done must be out of their mind. None of that would come to any of your minds when you meet him dead in front of you in person. None of you would have the balls to say that. LOL ... so don't ask me to, especially considering I don't agree.

[Boom]

Darkest, if you get a chance to talk to any of them again, inquire as to what color Joker's hair is. Please. It's killing me here.

[Shoemeister]

Alright, here we go. These were the first promo images of the toys, I guess.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/BEGINSTOYS1.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f377/darthsushi/BEGINSTOYS4.jpg

Meeeeemmmmmmmmorieeees.....!

[GoogleMe94]

You can ask him if he plans to use the same method in shooting fighting/action scenes. Also ask about if there's any other martial art forms used besides Keysi. :up:

yes, i suppose thats a better way of asking what i said.:woot:

only reason i want to know is, judging from the poll on the other thread, alot of ppl thought the fight/action scenes could have been better, and we are curious to know if he will be SHOOTING the fight scenes with the human eye in mind, or if he will be doin the whole quick-cut blurry fights like in begins.

[The Sage]

ALL the Keysi guys were there, with wife beaters that said KEYSI ... so I assume no. Anyone suggesting I put down anything Nolan has done must be out of their mind. None of that would come to any of your minds when you meet him dead in front of you in person. None of you would have the balls to say that. LOL ... so don't ask me to, especially considering I don't agree.

Next time you go over there, ask about the clasps. And ask when more pictures of Joker and Batman are getting released.

[Darkest Knight]

If they'll be able to describe verbally what the color is or the exact "shade" of green ... we know the hair is green, guys.

[fabman]

ALL the Keysi guys were there, with wife beaters that said KEYSI ... so I assume no. Anyone suggesting I put down anything Nolan has done must be out of their mind. None of that would come to any of your minds when you meet him dead in front of you in person. None of you would have the balls to say that. LOL ... so don't ask me to, especially considering I don't agree.

Right, so!

Anyway, what I wanna know (PLEASE ASK THIS IF YOU GET THE CHANCE) - when is the teaser being released?

[Keyser Sushi]

All of ...

Dude, you said you saw the TDK suit and the BB suit side-by-side? Elaborate, por favor... does this mean both are being used in this production?

[Boom]

If they'll be able to describe verbally what the color is or the exact "shade" of green ... we know the hair is green, guys.
It's been described as brown with green highlights.

I just want to know if it's all green, and not the dye job of a drunken high school student.

[Darkest Knight]

Next time you go over there, ask about the clasps. And ask when more pictures of Joker and Batman are getting released.
Well the official photographer told me more stuff would be filtering out soon. He saw me with the ET tonight pic, and he grabbed me. He's like, I don't even have a copy of that right now. I told him he did a great job lighting Batman. He then briefly explained more shots of the Joker he had taken.

As for the clasps ... I think Graham mentioned that they weren't on this one. These guys were so nice. Typically its just people running up to the movie stars asking for stuff, but these guys were chillin and I was the only guy who knew who they were. They looked bored, so they stroke up conversation with me. I was actually getting worried, because the photographer was really starting to talk alot ... and I was like man, I hope he doesn't get in trouble.

[The Sage]

Well the official photographer told me more stuff would be filtering out soon. He saw me with the ET tonight pic, and he grabbed me. He's like, I don't even have a copy of that right now. I told him he did a great job lighting Batman. He then briefly explained more shots of the Joker he had taken.

As for the clasps ... I think Graham mentioned that they weren't on this one. These guys were so nice. Typically its just people running up to the movie stars asking for stuff, but these guys were chillin and I was the only guy who knew who they were. They looked bored, so they stroke up conversation with me. I was actually getting worried, because the photographer was really starting to talk alot ... and I was like man, I hope he doesn't get in trouble.

Cool. Can they cape cover Batman moreso than it could in the last movie? And ask if you can take a batarang home.

[GoogleMe94]

All of ...

i meant......are the armor/black parts covering most of the suit, or are they extremly small like on the figure?

[Crook]

It's been described as brown with green highlights.

I just want to know if it's all green, and not the dye job of a drunken high school student.
Yup. :up:

I'm not even concerned with what shade the green is. All I wanna know is if it'll be the only of his hair when Joker fully embraces himself as----well, Joker.

[Darkest Knight]

Dude, you said you saw the TDK suit and the BB suit side-by-side? Elaborate, por favor... does this mean both are being used in this production?
I saw both of them in the costume trailer ... then a lady quickly shut the door when she noticed me gawking. Then I saw other parts to the suit when they were being ushered up to the roof of the set.

[Darkest Knight]

Cool. Can they cape cover Batman moreso than it could in the last movie? And ask if you can take a batarang home.
I don't know, I didn't see the actual costume ON an actor or anything. Just the pieces.

I'll try on the batarang front ... haha

[Keyser Sushi]

I saw both of them in the costume trailer ... then a lady quickly shut the door when she noticed me gawking. Then I saw other parts to the suit when they were being ushered up to the roof of the set.

Well, now that is interesting.

Very, very interesting.

[The Caped Knight]

Looking back on the official pics from BEGINS

http://www.batmanunmasked.com/thumbnails.php?album=5

I like the batsuit for it, so far better than TDK, Where as The Cowl for TDK looks better .

[Saint]

I don't know, I didn't see the actual costume ON an actor or anything. Just the pieces.

I'll try on the batarang front ... haha

Perhaps you should have asked if both suits appear in the film, and for how long.

[Darkest Knight]

Perhaps you should have asked if both suits appear in the film, and for how long.
I just didn't have enough time to ask all this. I also wanted to get to know them as people. Asking how they like Chicago, etc. But I mean, they had both suits in the bat-suit camper. So I'm sure they both show up in the movie.

[Nepenthes]

Nice work Darkest Knight. Did the photographer say anything else about the look of the Joker?

[count_nickula]

lol, darkest knight rules! I'm not sure if i like the neck on that figure... hmm. I bet its a ***** to put on too.
either way, i love the thing.
N.

[Darkest Knight]

Nice work Darkest Knight. Did the photographer say anything else about the look of the Joker?
Just that he has black eyes, and he will wear purple.

[Orko Is King]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7194/tdkbatmantoy2uh6sn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


wow, whata difference! it doesnt look alike at all. the toy looks like a skeleton version of the movie suit. the gauntlets are also very different. the toy just doesnt look complete. the grey under the chest area of the figure, its not at all like the movie suit pic. upon closer examination, at least the figure looks pretty detailed like the movie suit, its just missing the correct color scheme and certain parts are missing. the cape also doesnt have that bat shape, from what i can tell. it just looks like a cape.

The armor plates on the figure is way too spaced out.

[The Sage]

I don't know, I didn't see the actual costume ON an actor or anything. Just the pieces.

I'll try on the batarang front ... haha

While you're at it, get a picture of you and Bale with a midget holding balloons. :hyper:

[Doc Holliday]

http://www.fscwv.edu/users/jfairchild/tron.jpg

Anyone remember that movie Tron?

http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg

[Silver Knight]

Guys in person, the suit is black / grey ... just like that figure. The pic from EW has a lighting effect on it. The BEGINS suit was sitting right next to it, and that suit was PITCH black ... where as TDK suit had shades of grey with darker blacks. I saw them last night, trust me.
Was the gray distinctive? Could you easely tell the black from the gray?

[Asgard]

Is it possible to determine whether the new suit is slimmer than the Begins suit from the EW picture?

[Steelsheen]

I didn't see someone in the finalized costume. Just the new cowl, the body suit, and cape. I don't know how it attatches yet. But when I was talking to Graham, I think he mentioned that there isn't clasps this time.
thats good news. he didnt mention how the cape is gonna get attached did he?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Ugh. A gold emblem just sucks major something. As if the yellow oval wasn´t enough. Gives me an elseworlds, action-figure, schumacher vibe.

Well, I guess we were bound to disagree because I loved the oval. As a graphic, it's just immensely superior to a black bat on a black suit. See, that gives me a "bad costume design" vibe.

[Silver Knight]

For those who have seen the costume, is the gray distinctive.

[ultimatefan]

So Darkest, the action figure suggests a big part of the suit is fabricky, Spidey-like, and the rubber parts are more strategically placed to protect the important areas, is that right?

[JamalYIgle]

The armor plates on the figure is way too spaced out.

It's a prototype.

[iwalktheline92]

I really glad they fixed the cowl.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg

How did they fix the cowl i cant tell :batman:

[The Guard]

Looking at that figure again, those are indeed the costume's "armor" plates. They're just smaller on the toy, and the knee plating isn't lined up with the armor plates above it the way the movie's version is.

Black and gray huh?

[The Kid]

I would so buy that figure if it really glowed blue like in that pic a page ago

[regwec]

The news all seems broadly positive. One thing I can't understand is why, having decided to use a two-toned suit, they mounted Batman's insignia on a plate of the same material, thus wasting the effect, to some extent.

[sasquatchs]

I take it as more of a designer flourish than anything a criminal is supposed to see

[dark_b]

The news all seems broadly positive. One thing I can't understand is why, having decided to use a two-toned suit, they mounted Batman's insignia on a plate of the same material, thus wasting the effect, to some extent.i guess because of the fans.

[regwec]

You've misread that, sir.

[Matchbox]

The news all seems broadly positive. One thing I can't understand is why, having decided to use a two-toned suit, they mounted Batman's insignia on a plate of the same material, thus wasting the effect, to some extent.

I agree with your statement, Regwec. The symbol is certainly less distinctive due to it being of the same material as the area it's raised from; much like the Batman Begins suit. The only thing I can think of is that the designers wanted to keep the symbol subtle.

-Matchbox

[Hobodeluxe]

i guess because of the fans.

Where did you see anyone advocating for a bat emblem that you couldn't see? I think that they should have went with a fabric over armor suit and made it look more like Bunk's manips. Or if they had insisted on the new design of the suit that they would have went with a more classic color scheme instead of the busy, mottled look that we've seen in both the doll and the leaked stuntman pic from the Gordon backporch set.

I really hope with the lighting and the film bronzing process that blue tint to the mesh parts disappears and appears to be grey. but I'd have rather had just the boots ,gaunts and shoulders/cowl black and the rest gray to keep it from looking so "busy". That and make the emblem stand out. Why have it if you can't see it? I suppose with lighting it will be visible as it was on the begins suit. Still I think this design would have been cool. Not as cool as Bunk's but my second choice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/rcbatmanfignew.jpg
credit to Majik for the manip

[ad101867]

Wouldn't you fellas agree that batman, no armor, just naked, could kick all the 300 spartan's asses because he's the goddam batman?

This person clearly wants a cartoony fantasy, not a believable action-drama.

Why does everyone think a fabric suit has to be the definitive suit?

Perfectly reasonable question. There are too many people on these boards who are not perfectly reasonable.

Also asking for a suit that closely resemble the one from the comic is a little unessescary, I think. To me, it's like asking the movie costume to be in the comics.

I kinda wish it was, actually (at least some of the time), although I don't mind impressionistic comicbook art, either. That's one reason I like the comicbook adaptations of the movies, cuz that's when you see the body-armour show up in comics. The DC adaptation of B89, by the way, was much more enjoyable to me than the movie itself, mainly cuz they took the movie's Batsuit and streamlined it and made it appear flexible.

As long as it works, what the hell does it really matter?

Another perfectly reasonable question. The bottom line is, if the elements work on film, we will enjoy that film.

And look! He has segmented BUTT armor! SWEET! Now Bale won't have trouble, umm, flexing his ass muscles inside the suit!

I'm sure some lines are there for a certain look; however, as a general principle the more segmented the armour is, the more flexible the suit will be overall, since the human body has a large number of small, subtle movements.

I will wager that this suit will be "featured". Perhaps not in its entirety, but it, and its elements will be "featured" in a shot that shows it's clearly techy and busy looking.

As long as it works on film........

But I can't see them designing this and then not showing off their new toy once or twice.

How many comicbooks have you read where the hero didn't show up in a couple of full-frame action or dramatic depictions? No reason we shouldn't see the suit in its entirety in at least a few shots.

. . . I can tell whoever puts [a comics-accurate suit] on in real life is going to look absurd. Which is why people loved to make fun of it. A LOT of supehero costumes make their wearers look absurd.

I agree. Rarely has it ever worked. It works for Spider-Man (at least in the Raimi films; old live-action TV shows have looked stupid), and can work for Superman as well. (I didn't like the Routh suit for other reasons, not because of the Superman look).

There's one short film I've seen where a comics-accurate suit worked, aesthetically. And no, not one of Sandy Collora's films; I'm talking instead about one called Dark Justice. However, the problem is, while it looked okay, and the short story was good too, part of me was still thinking the whole time, That guy would get slaughtered in a suit like that without armour. So it's not only aesthetics that are important, it's also believability. I've never understood why some people seem to think you can't have believability and "coolness" at the same time.

Why would he put armor under the suit? TO HIDE THE ARMOR! Why the hell would Batman want criminals to KNOW he's armored?

They would know anyway, for the simple reason that bullets and blades deflect off him. Sure, he's amazingly stealthy and brainy and skilled in combat - but the default assumption, even by thugs who aren't that bright (and certainly by criminal masterminds) would simply be that this Batman guy must be an amazingly skilled vigilante in body-armour. Most people who've actually encountered him would assume it's body-armour unless there was good reason to think otherwise. So there's really no point trying to hide that he's armoured. This is especially the case when you add in the fact that he drives a car (and now also a motorcycle): this makes him seem more human anyway.

However, plenty of people, both law-abiding citizens as well as criminals, would imagine that Batman is more than human simply by his reputation, not by having seen his suit. So whether or not his suit "looks" armoured really doesn't matter, as far as his reputation goes.

To me, Batman should be a silhouette and a black mass, not an armored supercop.

That's got nothing to do with how visible his armour is in light. Silhouette has to do with backlighting and sticking mostly to the shadows, in which case it would not matter whether or not his armour was outside the bodysuit or under it. As I've said before, Batman's reputation as some kind of fierce "creature" has to do more with what he does than with the physique-related details of what he wears.

Of course there´s gonna be a way for it not to get caught by the wheel - imagine what would happen to the stuntman if there actually was that risk. Let´s have a little patience here.

Nice to see somebody talking sense for a change. Why do so many worry-wart fans actually think Nolan and others in the production haven't actually thought of what to do about the cape while Batman's on the cycle? Did you actually think nobody thought of that except the morons at SuperheroHype???

. . . to say that in this day and age in cinema that a costume designer couldn't come up with a more comic faithfull Batman suit is simply uniformed and not well thought out.

I'll tell you what's not well thought-out by most fans: the fact that if you directly translate the comicbook suit to film, it would look ridiculous (especially if the lighter tone of gray were used). Suits that emphasize a more natural-looking musculature work on super-powered heroes like Spidey or Supes, because in their story context (an absolutely crucial factor) we already buy the idea that they don't need protection like Batman does. Because the Batman story has a different premise, if you give him a suit that has the same material or form as Spider-Man's or Superman's, you'll end up making Bats look like an idiot (guy without powers goes out to fight crime without bodyarmour - that's idiotic).

It would be very easy to explain Batman using a cloth like armor material, and it's not even that far fetched. Scientists have invented bulletproof t-shirts and a liquid armor that can be applied to clothes in the real world. Please people, no one wants spandex, they just want a more comic accurate costume.

This is probably true, and I think an FF-type suit would look good on Batman, as long as in the story it's explained that this is a special kind of fabric, perhaps augmented with armour inserts or a spray-on chemical armour (which now exists). However, I have to just say that I'm not a purist: a suit that is more "SWATish" is also believable and hardly looks "uncool," especially when you add the cape and cowl. I mean, this new suit is still very bat-stylized, even though SWAT-inspired. I think a more pivotal question re. aesthetics is to ask whether the stylization of a movie costume is consistent with the bat-theme.

Let's make one thing clear, Batman IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY is based in fantasy. Do you know what the inspirations for his character were? Pulp fictions magazines, Zorro, even Robin hood to some extent. And later Sherlock Holmes.

You're simply wrong here, Infinity. There have been actual vigilantes and detectives in real life (obviously). Those other characters have fantasy elements to them, sure, but they are directly inspired by real-life categories of people and events. So it is simply not true to claim that "Batman in every possible way is based in fantasy." No, not every possible way: he is based on the idea of an ordinary human being who becomes a vigilante. He has a "fantasized" aspect to him, that's all.

Question to all the comicbook uber-fans: Is there something artistically wrong with having one particular director give us his personal interpretation of Batman?

Then how come when he fights people who manage to slash him with a knife, his costume rips from it?

Good question: diehard purists can claim all they want that a movie costume shouldn't be spandex, but the fact of the matter is that in the comics Batman's "outersuit" (he typically wears Kevlar underneath) gets ripped on a regular basis - which definitely makes it seem like ordinary fabric, not "advanced fabricky armour."

Now I'd be happy with "advanced fabricky armour" (and someone on the boards has already designed a Batsuit based on a Fantastic Four suit, which is a great-looking design) - but the irony is that this also would not be consistent with the comics.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5864/tdksuit3xp6.jpg

After everything I've said - and I still don't mind a more "armoured" look - I am totally sold on this manip. Well done, Bunk. (Send me a private message if you want the two Nolan addresses I used last year to send him letters, one in the U.S. and one in his native Ireland.)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2929/img0506yd6.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0506yd6.jpg)

I have the figurine on the left, actually, and as a piece of art I think it's great (otherwise I wouldn't have paid the big bucks for it!). However, I honestly think if that were translated directly to live-action film, it would look silly, because non-live art is "allowed" to be more impressionistic. There is something about drawn or sculpted art where you can get away with things that, for whatever reason, simply do not translate well to live-action. I can't explain it, but it's a reality nonetheless.

is a spider red? No, and Spidey worked. . . . Going blue is the last word on finally getting a bat film right, visually.

Spiders aren't bright red, so far as I know - but I have seen orange ones. There are a variety of colours in spiders, but not in bats. Blue and gray work fine together as a colour scheme - but not if you want to represent bats.

[regwec]

teh Batman is teh realistic.

[Infinity9999x]

The news all seems broadly positive. One thing I can't understand is why, having decided to use a two-toned suit, they mounted Batman's insignia on a plate of the same material, thus wasting the effect, to some extent.

That's exactally what I was thinking. At first I was happy because we'd be able to see the symbol, but no, they had to put a tiny triangle of black around it...just because I guess. It was rather annoying.

[breyfogle_rules]

---insert 10 pages of self important drivel---

Paging Mr. Tau

[Infinity9999x]

breyfogle....in regards to making Batman blue, I'm sorry but I really don't think that would work that well. It could, but why do it? Batman was never supposed to be blue to begin with, it was just so the colorists could show texture and lighting in his costume.

[breyfogle_rules]

I don't have the equipment to alter your DNA, so making my case again will be futile.
I would, however, like to suggest that you find yourself some original LSD, watch the Flash Gordon movie and reset yourself to the point before a foppish hack named Tim Burton rammed, crammed and jimmy-jammed a cataract into your third eye.

[regwec]

I don't have the equipment to alter your DNA, so making my case again will be futile.

Hahah! I'm going to have to steal that one.

[Infinity9999x]

I don't have the equipment to alter your DNA, so making my case again will be futile.
I would, however, like to suggest that you find yourself some original LSD, watch the Flash Gordon movie and reset yourself to the point before a foppish hack named Tim Burton rammed, crammed and jimmy-jammed a cataract into your third eye.

You wouldn't believe how hard it is to find original LSD these days.
But seriously, I've just never been a fan of the blue look, even before I saw B89. When I was a little kid the first Batman comic I had was the Spider-man Batman one shot drawn by Bagley. That suit more or less had the black on grey color scheme, and I always liked that look over the incarnations in which Batman wore blue. And I absolutley hated the light blue Batman, but I think I prefer darker colors naturally. I always wanted Spidey's costume to be red and black.

I guess it's just personal preference. I'm just not a fan of the blue. It's why I didn't like Batman comics as a kid, I always thought he looked silly in the light blue and grey.

[breyfogle_rules]

You wouldn't believe how hard it is to find original LSD these days.
But seriously, I've just never been a fan of the blue look, even before I saw B89. When I was a little kid the first Batman comic I had was the Spider-man Batman one shot drawn by Bagley. That suit more or less had the black on grey color scheme, and I always liked that look over the incarnations in which Batman wore blue. And I absolutley hated the light blue Batman, but I think I prefer darker colors naturally. I always wanted Spidey's costume to be red and black.

I guess it's just personal preference. I'm just not a fan of the blue. It's why I didn't like Batman comics as a kid, I always thought he looked silly in the light blue and grey.

I can see that you must be a lot younger than me as Bagley's one shot's came out in the 90's. Long after Tim Burton created his wrinkle in time, forever altering something I once loved so true. From what I can see, Bagely's Batman is a dark Blue, which is the color I would like...dark or navy blue, perhaps midnight blue. I'm not asking for a hall of justice Batman with the wonder twins.
But this is all useless.
There are things of your generation I will never understand, like Limp Biscuit or Insane Clown Posse.

[breyfogle_rules]

Hahah! I'm going to have to steal that one.

Take it. I was impersonating you with that anyway. :cwink:

[Infinity9999x]

I can see that you must be a lot younger than me as Bagley's one shot's came out in the 90's. Long after Tim Burton created his wrinkle in time, forever altering something I once loved so true. From what I can see, Bagely's Batman is a dark Blue, which is the color I would like...dark or navy blue, perhaps midnight blue. I'm not asking for a hall of justice Batman with the wonder twins.
But this is all useless.
There are things of your generation I will never understand, like Limp Biscuit or Insane Clown Posse.

I personaly never got into them, but the Power Rangers rock everyone's socks.

And yes, a very dark blue could work. In the one shot Batman has some dark blue on him, but more often then not he looks more black on grey, which is just my personal favorite color scheme.

And like I said before, Batman was never ment to be blue, just like Venom isn't meant to be blue, and just like Superman's hair isn't meant to be blue. The blue was originally just used to show lighting.

But you are right in the aspect that it doesn't really matter, people have their own tastes. Like I said, I'm just not a fan of lighter colors. I liked the original design of the symbiote spidey (where the spider was red) more then the original costume. But that's just my preference. Believe it or not, I actually didn't see the Burton batman movie for 5 or 6 years after I had been interested in the character. And I thought I was renting the 60's Batman movie when I watched it, as you can imagine it was quite a shock. And I will admit, I liked the Burton costume more then the comics costume, but like I said, I've always liked darker colors. It's nothing to do with my generation or the Burton movies.

[DSET]

I have the figurine on the left, actually, and as a piece of art I think it's great (otherwise I wouldn't have paid the big bucks for it!). However, I honestly think if that were translated directly to live-action film, it would look silly, because non-live art is "allowed" to be more impressionistic. There is something about drawn or sculpted art where you can get away with things that, for whatever reason, simply do not translate well to live-action. I can't explain it, but it's a reality nonetheless.


Yeah I feel the same way
That’s why for the movie I would prefer the armor from the shins and gauntlets on the older statue.

The reason the Jim Lee design looks good in the comics and on that particular Vinyl Figure is because of the muscles. To put it simply they are unnatural, nobodies muscles are so defined. For someone in real life to show that much they would have to flexing them all the time. Nobody walks around with clenched muscles, even the bones are bulging its insane.

If you look at an artist named Burne Hogarth he draws these abnormal bulging muscles it’s just his style. Allot of artists use to learn from his Dynamic anatomy books. If you look at Mike Zeck's work his characters muscles look almost identical to Hogarths. They are over-exaggerated and it’s a thing that has carried on in comic books since the beginning.
Some artists sway away from this but not many, why should they it looks better the way it is.

[Seth71]

I don't really like it. It looks like the Green Globin suit from the 1st Spiderman movie.

[DV8]

all I'm saying is, THEY FIXED THE GODDAMN NEXCK!!!!!!!!! I have the new suit pic on my desktop at work, and the more I look at it, the more stoked I get with every waking moment!!!!

[SLYspyder]

The only improvement I see over the first costume is that it's not all black. But who is the moron that made the bat symbol blend right in? I want to see a nice RAISED BIG black bat symbol over the grey. It doesn't even have to be black, I just want it to stand out, maybe even yellow to go with the belt, because it really makes no sense why the belt is that color and everything else is dark.

Unto the other problem, he looks more like robo-bat than Batman. This is a comic after all, they can get another material that looks more organic that also provides alot of protection. Its inexcusable that he looks so robotic. This is fantasy, no matter what anyone says, this is FANTASY. If Bruce Wayne can make a material that's very thin that offers a lot of protection, I'll buy it.

[batbat_29640]

I can see that you must be a lot younger than me as Bagley's one shot's came out in the 90's. Long after Tim Burton created his wrinkle in time, forever altering something I once loved so true. From what I can see, Bagely's Batman is a dark Blue, which is the color I would like...dark or navy blue, perhaps midnight blue. I'm not asking for a hall of justice Batman with the wonder twins.
But this is all useless.
There are things of your generation I will never understand, like Limp Biscuit or Insane Clown Posse.
Not trying to burst your bubble. But do you remember Year One and Detective comics #27? I'm sure you do. They all came before B'89 and both sported Batman in black. The main reason Batman became blue was because DC wanted him to be more child friendly which led to the character losing the edge he was born with. Another reason Batman became blue and silly was because of a book called 'Seduction of the innocent'. I'm sure you heard of that too. Since then Batman in blue has been synonymous with campy and silly. When Batman came to the big screen in all black it was alot easier for general audiences to see him as not the camp he had been known for since the 60's. That gave my all-time favorite fictional character some of that long over due respect that he's deserved. So I'll take a Balck Batman on Film than a blue one any day.
Only two men have ever made a blue Batman cool to me and they were Neal Adams and "Norm Breyfogle".
Now as much as I love Breyfogle's blue Batman he always drew him in a way that you couldn't really tell he was blue. But I guarantee you that if you were to make a Batman movie with him in all blue it would flop as soon as they saw him in blue.

[Memphis Slim]

The only improvement I see over the first costume is that it's not all black. But who is the moron that made the bat symbol blend right in? I want to see a nice RAISED BIG black bat symbol over the grey. It doesn't even have to be black, I just want it to stand out, maybe even yellow to go with the belt, because it really makes no sense why the belt is that color and everything else is dark.

Unto the other problem, he looks more like robo-bat than Batman. This is a comic after all, they can get another material that looks more organic that also provides alot of protection. Its inexcusable that he looks so robotic. This is fantasy, no matter what anyone says, this is FANTASY. If Bruce Wayne can make a material that's very thin that offers a lot of protection, I'll buy it.


I'm tired of Batman looking like this...
http://www.granneman.com/images/050823metHenry8Armor.jpg

[Memphis Slim]

Originally Posted by bunk http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11937470#post11937470)
I really glad they fixed the cowl.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg


Except for that stupid butterfly collar, this is great!! Now why the heck can't Hollywood do this????????????

The material looks protective without being bulky rubber padding!!

[The Guard]

There's one short film I've seen where a comics-accurate suit worked, aesthetically. And no, not one of Sandy Collora's films; I'm talking instead about one called Dark Justice. However, the problem is, while it looked okay, and the short story was good too, part of me was still thinking the whole time, That guy would get slaughtered in a suit like that without armour.

Funny you should mention that. Part of the concept behind the design of the DARK JUSTICE suit was that it was, in fact, to look like the comic book's "armored cloth" version of the Batsuit. When designing the suit, Aaron Schoenke thought about that quite a bit. Hence the heavier gloves, cape and cowl.

They would know anyway, for the simple reason that bullets and blades deflect off him.

This is true. Or they might just suspect. Or they might think he is metahuman. Did we seen Batman get shot or stabbed once, in BEGINS? I kinda wondered about that. After going to the trouble to explain the Batsuit's properties, we never saw them in action. Granted, we saw that it was fireproof and magically protected him when he fell out of a third story window...:)

Sure, he's amazingly stealthy and brainy and skilled in combat - but the default assumption, even by thugs who aren't that bright (and certainly by criminal masterminds) would simply be that this Batman guy must be an amazingly skilled vigilante in body-armour.

But do they know for sure? That's part of his edge. Now they know for sure.

Most people who've actually encountered him would assume it's body-armour unless there was good reason to think otherwise.

Why would they assume that? There's never been a superhero character wearing lightweight flexible body armor in Nolan's universe. They can't look at him and go "Oh...it's ARMOR like Burton's Batman wore!".

So there's really no point trying to hide that he's armoured. This is especially the case when you add in the fact that he drives a car (and now also a motorcycle): this makes him seem more human anyway.

Now you're just doing your best to strip Batman of his fantastical element because he drives around in a car and a motorcycle. Who says he might not be metahuman? He certainly moves like one might.

I mean, if we're going this far, how the hell do the people of Gotham Ci ty now know it's Bruce Wayne under the cowl? Keeping certain aspects of the mythos intact requires a bit of imagination. Imagination that criminals would FEAR him, avoid shooting at his head, think he's superhuman, inhuman, etc.

However, plenty of people, both law-abiding citizens as well as criminals, would imagine that Batman is more than human simply by his reputation, not by having seen his suit. So whether or not his suit "looks" armoured really doesn't matter, as far as his reputation goes.

In theory. But that strikes me as an incredibly boring way to have Gotham look at Batman. "Oh, Batman? Yeah, he's a guy in armor".

That's got nothing to do with how visible his armour is in light. Silhouette has to do with backlighting and sticking mostly to the shadows, in which case it would not matter whether or not his armour was outside the bodysuit or under it.

I think you know what I mean. This "busy" look makes him look just that...busy. I don't think that's what Batman's visual look should be.

As I've said before, Batman's reputation as some kind of fierce "creature" has to do more with what he does than with the physique-related details of what he wears.

And which is more impressive thematically and in terms of his mystique, when you think about it? A man who may or may not be wearing armor surviving an attack and disappearing into the shadows? Or a guy who is clearly decked out in riot gear surviving an attack and disappearing?

I can see that you must be a lot younger than me as Bagley's one shot's came out in the 90's. Long after Tim Burton created his wrinkle in time, forever altering something I once loved so true. From what I can see, Bagely's Batman is a dark Blue, which is the color I would like...dark or navy blue, perhaps midnight blue. I'm not asking for a hall of justice Batman with the wonder twins.

You know...Batman still wears blue in the comics. Has for years, save for a short stint during NO MAN'S LAND, and some in the late nineties and early 2000's.

[TheBat812]

Originally Posted by bunk http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11937470#post11937470)
I really glad they fixed the cowl.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg


Except for that stupid butterfly collar, this is great!! Now why the heck can't Hollywood do this????????????

The material looks protective without being bulky rubber padding!!
Why does anybody like this? It looks like he's in pajamas or something.

[slave2catwoman]

Why can't his costume be high tech and protective without looking like it? Best of both worlds, innit?

[Seraphartman]

He needs to be able to move around in it better also. Of course I saw where they made so he can move his head which was always funny in the other movies because he always had to turn his whole body to look around.

[batbat_29640]

Originally Posted by bunk http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11937470#post11937470)


http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg

hey somebody forgot to imprint little batsymbols all over this suit.

[slave2catwoman]

Many times the actors who play the super heroes in the movies will reveal in interviews how uncomfortable, binding, hard to move in the costume was. I wonder how much cooler and realistic the action would be in the movies if the costume was not so uncomfortable and difficult to do stunts in. Would that ease of movement be communicated to the audience?

[Batty Belfry]

Many times the actors who play the super heroes in the movies will reveal in interviews how uncomfortable, binding, hard to move in the costume was. I wonder how much cooler and realistic the action would be in the movies if the costume was not so uncomfortable and difficult to do stunts in. Would that ease of movement be communicated to the audience?

That's what I am hoping for, a Batman that can really have complete range of motion and mobility. That would definitely be conveyed on the screen. It frees up the director to have more shots and angles to choose from.

[CConn]

Why does anybody like this? It looks like he's in pajamas or something.
1. No it doesn't. :confused:

2. If we're going to compare, what's worse; Batman in pajamas, or Batman dressed up in rubber like some degenerate with a fetish?

[sasquatchs]

First is worse. Sometimes the fetish angle is kind of blatant. Now I'm going to be mocked

[SLYspyder]

I'm tired of Batman looking like this...
http://www.granneman.com/images/050823metHenry8Armor.jpg

lmao, so true

[CConn]

First is worse. Sometimes the fetish angle is kind of blatant. Now I'm going to be mocked
I won't mock you. Mainly because I couldn't even understand what the hell you said.

[Memphis Slim]

1. No it doesn't. :confused:

2. If we're going to compare, what's worse; Batman in pajamas, or Batman dressed up in rubber like some degenerate with a fetish?



If he gonna call that suit pajamas, then the comics must be too.

[SmileX]

Originally Posted by bunk http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11937470#post11937470)

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg

I like this manip but still not perfect. I would fix the cowl further making it resemble the Burton one in shape so the ears don't curve inward. And definitly get rid of the velvet cape. Also combine the gloves and arm guards. Maybe lower the 3D a tad on the symbol. And make the belt grey or black.

[sasquatchs]

Fetish Batman is preferable to pajama Batman

[DorkyFresh]

tactical batman > fetish batman + pajama batman imo

[SmileX]

I would be 100% satisfied if they would have just made these simple modifications to the Begins suit.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8767/batmancostumeli6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 1969-12-31

[FCEEVIPER]

all I'm saying is, THEY FIXED THE GODDAMN NEXCK!!!!!!!!! I have the new suit pic on my desktop at work, and the more I look at it, the more stoked I get with every waking moment!!!!
Join the club. :)

[Juanigi]

the face on the right side reminds me of alex ross' version.

[Lots o lafs]

looks fat

[CConn]

Fetish Batman is preferable to pajama Batman
Why on Earth would fetish Batman be better than pajama Batman?

[CConn]

tactical batman > fetish batman + pajama batman imo
Okay, we get it. You're gay for the TDK suit. You can stop now.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by bunk http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11937470#post11937470)
I really glad they fixed the cowl.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg


Except for that stupid butterfly collar, this is great!! Now why the heck can't Hollywood do this????????????

The material looks protective without being bulky rubber padding!!
The reason the material looks protective...is that there's bulky rubber padding UNDER it.

Jesus, I want a fabric suit as much as you do, but that's just stupid.

[batbat_29640]

I would be 100% satisfied if they would have just made these simple modifications to the Begins suit.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8767/batmancostumeli6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 1969-12-31
ya went a little extreem there. ya didn't have to cut that much out.

[SmileX]

ya went a little extreem there. ya didn't have to cut that much out.
Cut too much out? Everything is still there, just altered.

[Conebone69]

I would be 100% satisfied if they would have just made these simple modifications to the Begins suit.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8767/batmancostumeli6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 1969-12-31
The mouth opening is way too big

[SmileX]

Personaly I disagree. I've always seen it depicted this way. The Nolan version is way too covered.

[Saint]

Then I hope you are willing for the prosthetic jaw they would have to build Bale to fit inside that gaping hole.

[Lobster Charlie]

Hey Smilex, that's a pretty good manip. I think the mouth opening may be a tad too wide, but I do like the darker bat logo, and the cowl being more flush against the chest. And the ears being more spread instead of tapering inwards is also a nice touch.

It feels a bit like the Alex Ross Batman, only in a good way. I'm not crazy about the darker utility belt, as I found the shade of gold to be very sensible in Batman Begins.

Other than that, top notch manip!

[Conebone69]

Personaly I disagree. I've always seen it depicted this way. The Nolan version is way too covered.
I think its perfect, I hope they dont change it

[SmileX]

Hey Smilex, that's a pretty good manip. I think the mouth opening may be a tad too wide, but I do like the darker bat logo, and the cowl being more flush against the chest. And the ears being more spread instead of tapering inwards is also a nice touch.

It feels a bit like the Alex Ross Batman, only in a good way. I'm not crazy about the darker utility belt, as I found the shade of gold to be very sensible in Batman Begins.

Other than that, top notch manip!
Thanks. Yeah my biggest beef with the Begins suit was the cowl. I felt too much of the face was covered and the ears curved in making them look stubby in the movie. Honestly if they would have got that right in the movie I wouldn't have had a problem with the suit.

[SmileX]

I think its perfect, I hope they dont change it
But don't you think he looks like a dog in the Nolan mask? To me the iconic look is missing and he looks more like a mad dog.

[Conebone69]

But don't you think he looks like a dog in the Nolan mask? To me the iconic look is missing and he looks more like a mad dog.
Lol, a dog? No, I think he looks perfect

[BatScot]

I know, people look for problems that aren´t really there, cuz they just want so bad to imply that the spandex tights are the solution.Contrary to your implication, the "obsessively conservative mentaliry of comic book fans" have NOT put forth "spandex tights" as the solution.

[Spade]

Can't we just be happy they've tried to improve the first suit at all, of which we'll see plenty of in this film?

[BatScot]

And I´m waiting for someone to give me that magic solution that looks just like the comics, isn´t spandex tights and is just as protecting as the armor.Sigh... "just like the comics" is not the "conservative" argument. And that argument—the details of which I am certain you are well aware—has been presented in detail elsewhere. To imply that “conservatives” have argued for an approach that is "just like the comics" without reference to the fact that they have also argued for the necessity of armor—even apparent armor—is rather disingenuous to say the least.

[BatScot]

The thugs don´t get to see that, the thugs see a bat-like shadowy figure that shows up from darkness, attacks them and disappear fast, they don´t have the time to look and think "hey it´s a hi-tech suit".I remember an old (and problematic) counter-argument that was made against a ‘traditional-styled’ suit that went something like: the thugs would laugh at the sight of Batman in a “conservative” suit.

LOL... the thugs can’t see a hi-tech suit in the dark but apparently they can spot a “traditional” suit in an instant. What amazing eyesight these thugs must have. The thing is black rubber, black cloth, black&gray, hi-tech, lo-tech... it all blends into the darkness—the thugs don’t get to see what the suit looks like regardless of what the movie suit is made of.

[BatScot]

Because Batman IS NOT MEANT to look robotic in the movie, he looks like the dark, scary creature of the night, like I said, WE can know he wears a hi-tech protecting suit, not the thugs.Similarly, WE can know, for example, that Batman wears armor UNDER the batsuit. It is simply not necessary—as your argument here suggests—that the armor is so blatantly obvious because no one except WE the audience is supposed to see it up close and personal anyway.

[Darkest Knight]

So Darkest, the action figure suggests a big part of the suit is fabricky, Spidey-like, and the rubber parts are more strategically placed to protect the important areas, is that right?
It doesn't have THAT much viewable fabric. However, it is visible, yet with obvious protective armor plating.

[BatScot]

In the comics Batman wears a kevlar mesh and plated armour with a nomex covering on top.My reaction to the TDK suit is that if it were turned outside-in such that the armor appeared under the mail/mesh (i.e. those sections you see beneath the external armor) that they might actually have been on to something and having done so you would have approximated a “comic” look in a very modern and practical way.

[Darkest Knight]

A comic look can be virtually anything. I talked with Graham about people like BatScot here, who were dying to see this franchise go a route of something fabricky.

[Seen]

A comic look can be virtually anything. I talked with Graham about people like BatScot here, who were dying to see this franchise go a route of something fabricky.

And what did he say, if you don't mind me asking?

[Darkest Knight]

And what did he say, if you don't mind me asking?
Well he didn't put down the idea, but the way he was talking ... I don't know, I think he was getting to the point that it would be way too plain and not visually exciting enough to behold on the big screen.

When I first mentioned a full fabrick suit, he said "like the animated series and stuff?" But I told him they did one HELL of a job on TDK suit. And how everyone loves the mesh material, and how they wouldn't mind seeing a full costume of something similar as that. But I also said that the TDK suit was a great conceptualization of a hybrid of the two styles.

[Seen]

Well he didn't put down the idea, but the way he was talking ... I don't know, I think he was getting to the point that it would be way too plain and not visually exciting enough to behold on the big screen.

When I first mentioned a full fabrick suit, he said "like the animated series and stuff?" But I told him they did one HELL of a job on TDK suit. And how everyone loves the mesh material, and how they wouldn't mind seeing a full costume of something similar as that. But I also said that the TDK suit was a great conceptualization of a hybrid of the two styles.

I agree mostly, however I think the comic-book look could look exciting, as long as it was done and executed the right way -- anything these days can look good as long as some good 'ole mental and physical application is applied.

Seriously though, there are so many possibilities that one could take with a gray/black fabric costume with today's modern technology that it's almost a bit weird to hear that it wouldn't be exciting enough visually. I think it could be very exciting, but hey, what do I know?

I'm just a fanboy.

[Darkest Knight]

I'm just a fanboy.
Exactly.

LOL ...

[greenlantern530]

The new suit is the truth. I can't wait for this movie.

[Mr. Superhero]

The mouth opening is way too big
This is from the comics:

http://homepage.mac.com/merussell/iblog/B835531044/C31175526/E148703776/Media/BatmanComics.gif

I would be perfectly happy with that suit which SmileX modified. Although, I do agree to an extent, the Batman Begins mask does look kinda weird with an even bigger "mouth opening"...

[batbat_29640]

Cut too much out? Everything is still there, just altered.
The face!!! You really didn't need to cut that much out.

[batbat_29640]

This is from the comics:

http://homepage.mac.com/merussell/iblog/B835531044/C31175526/E148703776/Media/BatmanComics.gif

I would be perfectly happy with that suit which SmileX modified. Although, I do agree to an extent, the Batman Begins mask does look kinda weird with an even bigger "mouth opening"...
Ya know i do love Ross' Batman but I just don't like that head on the bat syombol and I really don't care for the flimsy spikes on his gloves.

[itsthebatman]

I can see that you must be a lot younger than me as Bagley's one shot's came out in the 90's. Long after Tim Burton created his wrinkle in time, forever altering something I once loved so true. From what I can see, Bagely's Batman is a dark Blue, which is the color I would like...dark or navy blue, perhaps midnight blue. I'm not asking for a hall of justice Batman with the wonder twins.
But this is all useless.
There are things of your generation I will never understand, like Limp Biscuit or Insane Clown Posse.
Limp Bizkit, grandad. Yeesh, get with the times.

[Kaizer]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg


He looks like he´s wearing Batman-pyjamas.

[batbat_29640]

http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/thebatt.jpg
There's not much I would change about the cowl.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/thebatt.jpg
There's not much I would change about the cowl.



That is fantastic!!!

:wow:

[Kaizer]

http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/thebatt.jpg
There's not much I would change about the cowl.

The ears go a little to much out to the sides to my taste and I don´t like the way the cowl atteches and points down at the symbol, but I like the art!

[batbat_29640]

The ears go a little to much out to the sides to my taste and I don´t like the way the cowl atteches and points down at the symbol, but I like the art!
Yeah not the Batsymbol I usually go with on that design but it was the only one that would fit in the pic.

[Memphis Slim]

I would be 100% satisfied if they would have just made these simple modifications to the Begins suit.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8767/batmancostumeli6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Shot at 1969-12-31



The cape still looks like a blanket. It looks like some kid with a bath towel tacked on. The cowl and cape should flow together.

Like this....

http://www.russellwalks.com/images/batman1.jpg (http://www.russellwalks.com/commercialindex2.html)http://www.mikeohearnprofile.com/assets/images/autogen/a_wfshh_suprbat.jpg

[spider-neil]

The cape still looks like a blanket. It looks like some kid with a bath towel tacked on. The cowl and cape should flow together.

Like this....

http://www.mikeohearnprofile.com/assets/images/autogen/a_wfshh_suprbat.jpg


totally agree. the clip on cape is about as tasteful as a clip on tie rather than a proper bow tie

[The Count]

http://www.mikeohearnprofile.com/assets/images/autogen/a_wfshh_suprbat.jpg

...."Nice Boob Job Clark"

[Anguissette1979]

...."Nice Boob Job Clark"

Did you know that guys can actually get "boob jobs"? Pectoral implants... :wow:

[The Count]

Thats the plot for the next superman

"My last adventure was a bit lame, perhaps some pec implants will do the trick"

Superman VI: The Quest For Confidence :woot:

[Hobodeluxe]

I wish that Nolan and the suit designer would make themselves available for an online chat with us fans and let us share our ideas with them on the design of the suit. Would it really hurt for them to get input from us before the next and final film? Maybe they could take suggestions and offer up a few concepts and allow us to vote for the direction the suit should take? While the TDK suit is a step in the right direction in one aspect(the sleeker more flexible part) it goes in the wrong direction with all the armor pieces being on the surface changing the visual aesthetic into a busy and imo ugly mess.
I'm really hoping it looks a lot different on film than it does in the spy shot we've seen. there's a lot of us out here that would really love to get rid of the rubber suit altogether. If anyone gets to talk to the suit guy again tell him to visit us here and look at some of the manips and read some of the comments.

[uchiha_itachi]

Did you know that guys can actually get "boob jobs"? Pectoral implants... :wow:

and propper boob jobs. theres some guy who got them for a bet and every year he keeps them his friends pay him $3000 or somthing like that

[bunk]

Did you know that guys can actually get "boob jobs"? Pectoral implants... :wow:

Yep. The Rock has em.

[3 Dev Adam]

Batman has nipples, Superman has tits, fair trade.

[The Count]

So all Lex needs to do is build a Kryptonite bra :oldrazz:

[batbat_29640]

That is fantastic!!!

:wow:
Thanks man I'm glad you like it.

[Lobster Charlie]

I wish that Nolan and the suit designer would make themselves available for an online chat with us fans and let us share our ideas with them on the design of the suit. Would it really hurt for them to get input from us before the next and final film? Maybe they could take suggestions and offer up a few concepts and allow us to vote for the direction the suit should take? While the TDK suit is a step in the right direction in one aspect(the sleeker more flexible part) it goes in the wrong direction with all the armor pieces being on the surface changing the visual aesthetic into a busy and imo ugly mess.
I'm really hoping it looks a lot different on film than it does in the spy shot we've seen. there's a lot of us out here that would really love to get rid of the rubber suit altogether. If anyone gets to talk to the suit guy again tell him to visit us here and look at some of the manips and read some of the comments.

The suit guy is actually a woman...she has a lot of experience, but not a whole lot designing for this type of subject matter. She's done a handful of Bond films, though.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0376089/

It's like I was telling my friend the other day-- "I don't think Nolan got the best costume designer for these films," since so far there's been nothing earth-shattering as far as costuming goes.

[The Sage]

Yep. The Rock has em.

What are you talking about? :eek:

[lujho]

Then I hope you are willing for the prosthetic jaw they would have to build Bale to fit inside that gaping hole.

It could easily be that wide-it just wouldn't look quite like that.

Honestly, that picture is the absolute worst picture to do manips on if you have any intention of significantly altering the cowl, especially the mouth opening, due to the angle. I don't know why people choose it. It's much easier to alter a pic where his head is tilted down.

I still think that even though Bale's jaw is not that strong, you could still get a good look out of showing off much more of it, if you're willing to give up some of the disguise aspect, which I personally don't think is that big a deal.

[The Count]

Do you think Marvel will use the TDK suit as inspiration for the Cap'n America Costume?

[lujho]

Do you think Marvel will use the TDK suit as inspiration for the Cap'n America Costume?

No. It's going to be half period, so it definitely won't look so modern in the first part of the film.

Plus, they've got a perfectly suitable template in the Ultimate Captain America design. They'll use something a lot like that for a modern suit, and something more classic for the WWII stuff.

That's my educated guess anyway.

Allthough - something like the mesh on the TDK suit could some in to play. But hopefully some scale mail too - little square tiles stuck to a fabric backing.

[SmileX]

I took some of the comments suggestions and further altered my manip. I covered more of the face on this one and also took away the clasps so he doesn't look like a general. Again is it perfect? No. But this is what I would have been happy with in both movies.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2339/batmancostumexq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lujho]

I took some of the comments suggestions and further altered my manip. I covered more of the face on this one and also took away the clasps so he doesn't look like a general. Again is it perfect? No. But this is what I would have been happy with in both movies.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2339/batmancostumexq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Just curious about something you did that a lot of other people seem to do - when when changing the tones why do you leave the cowl the same lighter colour as the rest of the suit, while making the hands and emblem darker? Why not go the whole hog and fully replicate the comic's colour scheme?

[batbat_29640]

I took some of the comments suggestions and further altered my manip. I covered more of the face on this one and also took away the clasps so he doesn't look like a general. Again is it perfect? No. But this is what I would have been happy with in both movies.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/2339/batmancostumexq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
That does look alot better. A little bit can make a difference. I think the color on the suit in the left pic could have accentuated you pic very nicely! Keep your black on the cowl, symbol and gloves the way they are and just use the original color on just the body suit itself.

[SmileX]

Just curious about something you did that a lot of other people seem to do - when when changing the tones why do you leave the cowl the same lighter colour as the rest of the suit, while making the hands and emblem darker? Why not go the whole hog and fully replicate the comic's colour scheme?
Honestly for me it just comes down to personal taste, not trying to stay true to the comic. I wanted everything to be the same color but the emblem, the only think I would want darker. The hands just look darker because I was trying to hide some things.

[Keyser Sushi]

I wish that Nolan and the suit designer would make themselves available for an online chat with us fans and let us share our ideas with them on the design of the suit. Would it really hurt for them to get input from us before the next and final film? Maybe they could take suggestions and offer up a few concepts and allow us to vote for the direction the suit should take? While the TDK suit is a step in the right direction in one aspect(the sleeker more flexible part) it goes in the wrong direction with all the armor pieces being on the surface changing the visual aesthetic into a busy and imo ugly mess.
I'm really hoping it looks a lot different on film than it does in the spy shot we've seen. there's a lot of us out here that would really love to get rid of the rubber suit altogether. If anyone gets to talk to the suit guy again tell him to visit us here and look at some of the manips and read some of the comments.

Jesus Christ this thread went to hell.

People like you crack me up. "Oh, every filmmaker should really check with me first before putting their own spin on stuff that I love."

No they shouldn't, and screw you for thinking it. You don't like Nolan and Hemming's version of the Batsuit? Oh frakking well. I don't like the smile on Ledger's Joker but you don't hear me *****ing about it. You know why? Because they're allowed to do whatever the hell they want. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it. But that doesn't make them wrong.

You're as bad as those ball-sniffers complaining about the Transformers because the robots don't look like the G1 versions. Who gives a ****? Takara's only made half a million different Transformers lines, the new movie is just the latest iteration in an ongoing series of retcons - G1, G2, Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, etc etc etc. See the movie or don't but don't be so damned conceited as to think that your opinion matters, or should matter, worth a good goddamn to Nolan or anyone else.

You want to share your opinions here, good, that's what this place is for. But if I hear one more, "they should check with us personally before they make any creative decisions whatsoever" argument, I am going to find you, and shove a chair up your ass.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by Keyser Sushi.

Thank you, and shut the hell up.

[pjspider1C]

Personally, I don't really like the new suit. It looks like it was based on a previously made action figure.

[SmileX]

That does look alot better. A little bit can make a difference. I think the color on the suit in the left pic could have accentuated you pic very nicely! Keep your black on the cowl, symbol and gloves the way they are and just use the original color on just the body suit itself.


Like this? Personally I like it all dark but this looks fine too and would have been happy to have this in the movie.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4650/batmancostume2yx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The Count]

Arise Sir Keyser!

Its like you read my mind

[ultimatefan]

I won´t get back to that damn shade of gray argument again. BTW, the Begins suit looked darker than that picture in almost every scene from the movie. And there´s a new suit anyway, so it´d be more productive to not go back to the same arguments we saw three years ago.

[batbat_29640]

Jesus Christ this thread went to hell.

People like you crack me up. "Oh, every filmmaker should really check with me first before putting their own spin on stuff that I love."

No they shouldn't, and screw you for thinking it. You don't like Nolan and Hemming's version of the Batsuit? Oh frakking well. I don't like the smile on Ledger's Joker but you don't hear me *****ing about it. You know why? Because they're allowed to do whatever the hell they want. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it. But that doesn't make them wrong.

You're as bad as those ball-sniffers complaining about the Transformers because the robots don't look like the G1 versions. Who gives a ****? Takara's only made half a million different Transformers lines, the new movie is just the latest iteration in an ongoing series of retcons - G1, G2, Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, etc etc etc. See the movie or don't but don't be so damned conceited as to think that your opinion matters, or should matter, worth a good goddamn to Nolan or anyone else.

You want to share your opinions here, good, that's what this place is for. But if I hear one more, "they should check with us personally before they make any creative decisions whatsoever" argument, I am going to find you, and shove a chair up your ass.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by Keyser Sushi.

Thank you, and shut the hell up.
lmao!!! Thank you I needed that.

[lujho]

I won´t get back to that damn shade of gray argument again.

Who's trying to drag you into it?

BTW, the Begins suit looked darker than that picture in almost every scene from the movie.

Absolutely true. That picture is incredibly overlit. The suit is black - or as black as they could possibly make it.

[batbat_29640]

Like this? Personally I like it all dark but this looks fine too and would have been happy to have this in the movie.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4650/batmancostume2yx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Sweet!!!! Now that's a good balance!

[Keyser Sushi]

lmao!!! Thank you I needed that.

Ha! You're welcome.

And I needed it to, but I suppose that was obvious. ;)

[bunk]

Jesus Christ this thread went to hell.

People like you crack me up. "Oh, every filmmaker should really check with me first before putting their own spin on stuff that I love."

No they shouldn't, and screw you for thinking it. You don't like Nolan and Hemming's version of the Batsuit? Oh frakking well. I don't like the smile on Ledger's Joker but you don't hear me *****ing about it. You know why? Because they're allowed to do whatever the hell they want. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it. But that doesn't make them wrong.

You're as bad as those ball-sniffers complaining about the Transformers because the robots don't look like the G1 versions. Who gives a ****? Takara's only made half a million different Transformers lines, the new movie is just the latest iteration in an ongoing series of retcons - G1, G2, Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, etc etc etc. See the movie or don't but don't be so damned conceited as to think that your opinion matters, or should matter, worth a good goddamn to Nolan or anyone else.

You want to share your opinions here, good, that's what this place is for. But if I hear one more, "they should check with us personally before they make any creative decisions whatsoever" argument, I am going to find you, and shove a chair up your ass.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by Keyser Sushi.

Thank you, and shut the hell up.


Someone said that?

[batbat_29640]

Ha! You're welcome.

And I needed it to, but I suppose that was obvious. ;)
Oh yeah . . . this thread was long over due for that one.

[batbat_29640]

Someone said that?
basically everyone that's got their own spin and get's pissy when the creators don't share a freakin psychic link with them.

[Keyser Sushi]

Someone said that?

Hobodeluxe did. I quoted his entire post in the post where I made my rant.

To be fair he was neither the first, nor will he be the last, jackass to make such a statement.

But as long as I draw breath, it will piss me off when it happens.

[lujho]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8425/beginssuitmanipce7.jpg

Okay, can someone please post the original of this? I've looked back in the thread and can't see it, and the only ones I can find elsewhere are half the size.

[Kritish]

I think the movie version looks good. People just can't let the tacky logo go.

[Hobodeluxe]

Jesus Christ this thread went to hell.

People like you crack me up. "Oh, every filmmaker should really check with me first before putting their own spin on stuff that I love."

No they shouldn't, and screw you for thinking it. You don't like Nolan and Hemming's version of the Batsuit? Oh frakking well. I don't like the smile on Ledger's Joker but you don't hear me *****ing about it. You know why? Because they're allowed to do whatever the hell they want. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it. But that doesn't make them wrong.

You're as bad as those ball-sniffers complaining about the Transformers because the robots don't look like the G1 versions. Who gives a ****? Takara's only made half a million different Transformers lines, the new movie is just the latest iteration in an ongoing series of retcons - G1, G2, Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, etc etc etc. See the movie or don't but don't be so damned conceited as to think that your opinion matters, or should matter, worth a good goddamn to Nolan or anyone else.

You want to share your opinions here, good, that's what this place is for. But if I hear one more, "they should check with us personally before they make any creative decisions whatsoever" argument, I am going to find you, and shove a chair up your ass.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by Keyser Sushi.

Thank you, and shut the hell up.

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me for having an opinion.

You're right the director shouldn't give a hoot what fans think. they don't make these films for fans they make them to satisfy their own egos and bank accounts. Forgive me for ever thinking that what I cared mattered a bit compared to your esteemed and infallible opinion.
Oh and if I'm not mistaken personal attacks and name calling are against the rules here.

[itsthebatman]

Jesus Christ this thread went to hell.

People like you crack me up. "Oh, every filmmaker should really check with me first before putting their own spin on stuff that I love."

No they shouldn't, and screw you for thinking it. You don't like Nolan and Hemming's version of the Batsuit? Oh frakking well. I don't like the smile on Ledger's Joker but you don't hear me *****ing about it. You know why? Because they're allowed to do whatever the hell they want. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it. But that doesn't make them wrong.

You're as bad as those ball-sniffers complaining about the Transformers because the robots don't look like the G1 versions. Who gives a ****? Takara's only made half a million different Transformers lines, the new movie is just the latest iteration in an ongoing series of retcons - G1, G2, Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, etc etc etc. See the movie or don't but don't be so damned conceited as to think that your opinion matters, or should matter, worth a good goddamn to Nolan or anyone else.

You want to share your opinions here, good, that's what this place is for. But if I hear one more, "they should check with us personally before they make any creative decisions whatsoever" argument, I am going to find you, and shove a chair up your ass.

This has been a public service announcement paid for by Keyser Sushi.

Thank you, and shut the hell up.
Post of the day. And a very necessary one.

[Batty Belfry]

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me for having an opinion.

You're right the director shouldn't give a hoot what fans think. they don't make these films for fans they make them to satisfy their own egos and bank accounts. Forgive me for ever thinking that what I cared mattered a bit compared to your opinon.
Oh and if I'm not mistaken personal attacks and name calling are against the rules here.


No Hobodeluxe, it's not about you having an opinion....

It's about you having the opinion that the filmmaker needs to check with yours or other fan's insights before proceeding on the film.

It's plainly obvious that Nolan respects the source material and he does care what fans think to a certain extent. But in all honesty he doesn't or isn't required to care what we think.

[dchisholm]

one thing that has become totally obvious throughout these discussions is that you can't please everyone.

so, i think, yes, the best thing for Nolan et al. to do is to do what they think is the best choice. as soon as they start pandering to what other people (whether it is the studio or the hardcore fans) want them to do you end up with a spidey-3-esque suck fest.

in a way, nolan can't win. there will always be a subset of people unhappy with whatever comes out, no matter how awesome it is. he just has to do the best he can.
:yay:

[Batty Belfry]

one thing that has become totally obvious throughout these discussions is that you can't please everyone.

so, i think, yes, the best thing for Nolan et al. to do is to do what they think is the best choice. as soon as they start pandering to what other people (whether it is the studio or the hardcore fans) want them to do you end up with a spidey-3-esque suck fest.

in a way, nolan can't win. there will always be a subset of people unhappy with whatever comes out, no matter how awesome it is. he just has to do the best he can.
:yay:

Well spoken. :yay:

[itsthebatman]

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me for having an opinion.

You're right the director shouldn't give a hoot what fans think. they don't make these films for fans they make them to satisfy their own egos and bank accounts. Forgive me for ever thinking that what I cared mattered a bit compared to your opinon.
This is a really, really silly thing to say.
1) Most artists in whatever field they're in don't get into it to make money, they do it because they love theire area and what to express themselves. Sure, some of them develop egos, but that's not hwat drives most of them. I certainly don't think it drives Chris Nolan. Nolan has gone on record as saying he loved James Bond and Indiana Jones movies and was trying to emulate those films with his Batman movies. In other words, entertaining, intelligent populist filmmaking. He's ceratinly not just doing it for ego.
2) Anyway, what's wrong with making money? More power to him.

Your overall idea, of consulting with fans, just doesn't make sense. what you like will be completely different to what I like. Filmmaking by committee doesn't work - you need a small group of people driving it forward with their own idea of how it's going to be done or it just ends up a half-baked hotch-potch. When fan views were taken into account in SM3, overriding Sam Raimi's original story, it messed the film up badly, and was obvious for all objective viewers to see.

[sasquatchs]

It could easily be that wide-it just wouldn't look quite like that.

Honestly, that picture is the absolute worst picture to do manips on if you have any intention of significantly altering the cowl, especially the mouth opening, due to the angle. I don't know why people choose it. It's much easier to alter a pic where his head is tilted down.

I still think that even though Bale's jaw is not that strong, you could still get a good look out of showing off much more of it, if you're willing to give up some of the disguise aspect, which I personally don't think is that big a deal.

I know it's mainly aesthetics but the smaller mouth was half-convincing at changing his face. Plus he doesn't have instantly recognisable lips like Kilmer. I thought the fake jaw was a great idea from most angles, can't tell how much they've kept it this time.

I remember an old (and problematic) counter-argument that was made against a ‘traditional-styled’ suit that went something like: the thugs would laugh at the sight of Batman in a “conservative” suit.

LOL... the thugs can’t see a hi-tech suit in the dark but apparently they can spot a “traditional” suit in an instant. What amazing eyesight these thugs must have. The thing is black rubber, black cloth, black&gray, hi-tech, lo-tech... it all blends into the darkness—the thugs don’t get to see what the suit looks like regardless of what the movie suit is made of.

True, the silhouette effect what be essentially the same but if for some reason I got a good look at his costume, I'd find sturdy looking armor more intimidating then a uniform material. The rest of the argument is just it looks cooler. That's about all you can say

[batbat_29640]

If I recall correctly . . . and I believe I do . . . It was Nolan who aproached Warner Bros. to do a Batman film . . . because he LOVED the character. Batman Begins and the personal work he put into it proved that enough for me.

[PogoMonogo]

Alfred should have a mustache. I am outraged. This film is going to suck.

[itsthebatman]

If I recall correctly . . . and I believe I do . . . It was Nolan who aproached Warner Bros. to do a Batman film . . . because he LOVED the character. Batman Begins and the personal work he put into it proved that enough for me.
Shush. Stop remembering stuff and thinking logically.

[Hobodeluxe]

No Hobodeluxe, it's not about you having an opinion....

It's about you having the opinion that the filmmaker needs to check with yours or other fan's insights before proceeding on the film.

It's plainly obvious that Nolan respects the source material and he does care what fans think to a certain extent. But in all honesty he doesn't or isn't required to care what we think.

I never said it would be a requirement. I just thought it would be a nice gesture to ask several hundred or perhaps a thousand or two fans here for their opinions on a purely stylistic portion of the film. I'm sure they have a few options when they are in the planning stages for the film. A little interaction with the fans and having the fans feel like they perhaps played a part in it would be the most evil of crimes I suppose.


I wasn't asking for me personally to have final script approval or anything like that.

And the rest of you who think that any negative comments should be driven from the board by raging fanboys can bite me. My opinion counts just as much as yours. I don't dump on your suggestions or try to censor you. So please treat me with the same respect.
I don't usually rant and I try to make constructive comments. But Keyser you were out of line. And I'd like an apology.

[Hobodeluxe]

This is a really, really silly thing to say.
1) Most artists in whatever field they're in don't get into it to make money, they do it because they love theire area and what to express themselves. Sure, some of them develop egos, but that's not hwat drives most of them. I certainly don't think it drives Chris Nolan. Nolan has gone on record as saying he loved James Bond and Indiana Jones movies and was trying to emulate those films with his Batman movies. In other words, entertaining, intelligent populist filmmaking. He's ceratinly not just doing it for ego.
2) Anyway, what's wrong with making money? More power to him.

Your overall idea, of consulting with fans, just doesn't make sense. what you like will be completely different to what I like. Filmmaking by committee doesn't work - you need a small group of people driving it forward with their own idea of how it's going to be done or it just ends up a half-baked hotch-potch. When fan views were taken into account in SM3, overriding Sam Raimi's original story, it messed the film up badly, and was obvious for all objective viewers to see.

Umm sorry you missed the sarcasm in my post. might want to get that sarcasm detector looked at.

[itsthebatman]

Umm sorry you missed the sarcasm in my post. might want to get that sarcasm detector looked at.
You would be surprised at the people who do give out about artists (actors, directors, whatever) making money. The second part of my post stands.
Also, you have to be able to take critiscism on these boards. If you're waiting on an apology from Keyser, you should put your feet up - it'll be along time coming.

[Batty Belfry]

I never said it would be a requirement. I just thought it would be a nice gesture to ask several hundred or perhaps a thousand or two fans here for their opinions on a purely stylistic portion of the film. I'm sure they have a few options when they are in the planning stages for the film. A little interaction with the fans and having the fans feel like they perhaps played a part in it would be the most evil of crimes I suppose.


I wasn't asking for me personally to have final script approval or anything like that.

And the rest of you who think that any negative comments should be driven from the board by raging fanboys can bite me. My opinion counts just as much as yours. I don't dump on your suggestions or try to censor you. So please treat me with the same respect.
I don't usually rant and I try to make constructive comments. But Keyser you were out of line. And I'd like an apology.

Well, first of all, I was offering you a sensible explanation as to why Keyser made his comments toward you. Your wishes in regards to this are unrealistic.

At no time did I attack you or insult you, but take it as you wish. I am simply being a voice of reason in this matter. :down:

[sasquatchs]

What more argument is there to be had? Surely everyone just picks the thing they like the look of the most, and then tries to rationalise it after the fact?

Film by committee :down

[Saint]

don't be so damned conceited as to think that your opinion matters, or should matter, worth a good goddamn to Nolan or anyone else.

And this is where your post derails. Of course it matters what the fans think. The fans are the ones who make comic book properties viable business ventures, period. Comic book properties survive solely on the revenue we generate, which is fairly impressive because we are not many. While it is true that once these properties branch into film that we do not comprise a majority of the viewing audience, we certainly comprise a sizable portion, and definitely a significant portion in terms of revenue. As such, it serves the studio to serve us.

Certainly Hobodeluxe is in some crazy dreamworld when he says Nolan should consult with or defer to us, but this idea that filmmakers should be able to do whatever they want is not true, nor is it good business sense. If a studio wants an original Nolan film, they should pick up one of his original films. Similarly, if Nolan wants to make an original film, he should do just that. However, when the studio and director choose an adaptation, I they take on certain obligations, because they are not doing an original film. They have an obligation ti the original material. Moreover, if they're smart they will try to appease the original fanbase--because the general viewing audience doesn't care what they do.

Think of it this way: Galactus is a cloud. Therefore, individuals such as myself don't see Fantastic Four. The public, however, doesn't care, and sees the film. However, if Galactus was a man, I would have seen the film, and the public still would have seen the film because they don't care. Even though the portion of fanboys who won't see the film because Galactus is a cloud is nearly insignificant, it still makes more sense to please the optimum amount of people. No, you may say "But the director's vision is more important than a few fanboys," and normally I would agree--if the directorwas making an original film.

This is something i will never understand about these directors: why do they need to shoehorn their ideas into existing properties? Why couldn't Tim Story go make his planet-eating cloud movie without ruining Fantastic Four? Similarly, why doesn't Shawn Levy go make an original superhero comedy, instead of raping the Flash like he's about to do?

Now, before there is any confusion--though I'm sure certain individuals will act like this paragraph never happened--I will specify that Nolan is not guilty of the things I mention here. I think he's done a great job of balancing the wants and needs of the fans with his own ideas, and by his own admission he wanted to appease the fans; hence the inclusion of Goyer. I'm not saying "Nolan should have listened to us about the Batcostume!" Even though I would have preferred if he did, the batsuit is not a terrible offense. It's attractive and I like it, even if I would have preferred something else.

So, this post isn't about Nolan, or even this film. I'm just fighting the attitude that the fans don't matter, when we plainly do (though certainly not as much as we would like).

[Hobodeluxe]

just an opinion poll to find out what the general consensus is about specific design elements.

[StorminNorman]

check one of the other threads.

[sasquatchs]

True, but it's the studios job to bring in directors that have a more faithful vision, get them to pitch it, then let them get on with it, not to pander to fans wishes, which is impossible anyway

[Hobodeluxe]

check one of the other threads.

not enough options on the other poll for me

[Shot Gun Shy]

I like the new suit just as it is

I voted that one.

[FCEEVIPER]

I like the cowl and the chest but not the legs on the new suit.

[lujho]

Uh, Nolan DID surver fans about Batman's look for Begins, so there's absolutely nothing unrealistic about Hobo's suggestion.

The prime thing they seem to have got from those surveys was that batman should have a big long cape and that's what they did. Who knows to what extent they applied any other knowledge gained though.

[Saint]

Uh, Nolan DID surver fans about Batman's look for Begins, so there's absolutely nothing unrealistic about Hobo's suggestion.

The prime thing they seem to have got from those surveys was that batman should have a big long cape and that's what they did. Who knows to what extent they applied any other knowledge gained though.
Actually, what Nolan did was survey the DC offices.

[lujho]

Actually, what Nolan did was survey the DC offices.

Well I knew it wasn't large scale market research or anything, wasn't aware it was specifically DC though. Still, they count as fans IMO.

[Sam18]

I too don't like the legs, the rest is perfect.

[The Kid]

My main gripe with teh begins suit was the clasps, and the unnecessarily technical junk to make the suit look robotic. Why would he want to look like a robot bat?

I'm glad the clasps are gone but the robot element has been waaaaaaaaaaay blown out of proportion.

They don't get it. Batman isn't iron man. never was and never will be.

[batbat_29640]

Actually, what Nolan did was survey the DC offices.
He and Goyer <who is a fan btw did scope out Batman on Film to see what the fans wanted most.

[bunk]

boredom = manips


http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5413/beginssuitmanip2jw3.jpg


Tried to replicate the SR cape for bats.

[sasquatchs]

Well I knew it wasn't large scale market research or anything, wasn't aware it was specifically DC though. Still, they count as fans IMO.

As long as they don't survey SHH I think the film will be ok :woot:

[bunk]

And this is where your post derails. Of course it matters what the fans think. The fans are the ones who make comic book properties viable business ventures, period. Comic book properties survive solely on the revenue we generate, which is fairly impressive because we are not many. While it is true that once these properties branch into film that we do not comprise a majority of the viewing audience, we certainly comprise a sizable portion, and definitely a significant portion in terms of revenue. As such, it serves the studio to serve us.

Certainly Hobodeluxe is in some crazy dreamworld when he says Nolan should consult with or defer to us, but this idea that filmmakers should be able to do whatever they want is not true, nor is it good business sense. If a studio wants an original Nolan film, they should pick up one of his original films. Similarly, if Nolan wants to make an original film, he should do just that. However, when the studio and director choose an adaptation, I they take on certain obligations, because they are not doing an original film. They have an obligation ti the original material. Moreover, if they're smart they will try to appease the original fanbase--because the general viewing audience doesn't care what they do.

Think of it this way: Galactus is a cloud. Therefore, individuals such as myself don't see Fantastic Four. The public, however, doesn't care, and sees the film. However, if Galactus was a man, I would have seen the film, and the public still would have seen the film because they don't care. Even though the portion of fanboys who won't see the film because Galactus is a cloud is nearly insignificant, it still makes more sense to please the optimum amount of people. No, you may say "But the director's vision is more important than a few fanboys," and normally I would agree--if the directorwas making an original film.

This is something i will never understand about these directors: why do they need to shoehorn their ideas into existing properties? Why couldn't Tim Story go make his planet-eating cloud movie without ruining Fantastic Four? Similarly, why doesn't Shawn Levy go make an original superhero comedy, instead of raping the Flash like he's about to do?

Now, before there is any confusion--though I'm sure certain individuals will act like this paragraph never happened--I will specify that Nolan is not guilty of the things I mention here. I think he's done a great job of balancing the wants and needs of the fans with his own ideas, and by his own admission he wanted to appease the fans; hence the inclusion of Goyer. I'm not saying "Nolan should have listened to us about the Batcostume!" Even though I would have preferred if he did, the batsuit is not a terrible offense. It's attractive and I like it, even if I would have preferred something else.

So, this post isn't about Nolan, or even this film. I'm just fighting the attitude that the fans don't matter, when we plainly do (though certainly not as much as we would like).


Is there a script out there?

[Saint]

He and Goyer <who is a fan btw did scope out Batman on Film to see what the fans wanted most.

Actually, what was said specifically is that the studio was paying attention to BOF, not Nolan and Goyer.

[Hobodeluxe]

Thanks Saint. Maybe my idea is a pipedream. But I just thought it would be cool for the final film to have some fan input. Some interaction with the design team and the fans. Even if they disregarded our opinions,just to be asked would be nice. Maybe a small campaign with several fansites and even tied in with the comics where 3-4 concepts from them could be voted on by the fans?

Yeah it's a lot to ask I suppose but it sure would be a good PR move for them I think.

[batbat_29640]

As long as they don't survey SHH I think the film will be ok :woot:
lol no ****e. Then we might get a black and blue transvestite with pointy ears.

[batbat_29640]

Actually, what was said specifically is that the studio was paying attention to BOF, not Nolan and Goyer.
Actually it was Goyer who admitted to checking it out.

[lujho]

boredom = manips


http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5413/beginssuitmanip2jw3.jpg


Tried to replicate the SR cape for bats.

It's not showing up. Anyway, would you mind posting the original version of the picture you manipped with Bats against the red wallpaper?

[General Vulcun]

I like the suit as it is. I think those who dislike should just say "I dislike it" instead of blowing out of proportion with the "robot Batman" talk. It's almost as retard as the Brokebat Mountain jokes.

[Saint]

Is there a script out there?

No, there is not, but there does not need to be a script. One can conclude from Levy's resume that he's going to ruin to film, much in the same way that one could predict in 2004 that Tim Story would make mediocre FF films, that Bret Ratner would ruin X3, or the MSJ would trash Ghost Rider.

It is especially infuriating for me because the Flash is my second favourite comic book character (Batman being first). I love the Flash. I've been waiting years for somebody competent to come along and make a great Flash film. Instead, they get the jerk who directed Cheaper by the Dozen? Granted, the Flash shouldn't be a dark film, but it's not a comedy. It should take itself seriously. The Flash is an adventure property, in the same vein of Spider-Man. Had WB any sense, they would have hired a director experienced in adventure films.

Instead, we're getting some tool who is going to turn it into another superhero comedy like "Zoom" or "Sky High." Why couldn't WB do this without calling it The Flash? After all, the Flash name won't put butts in seats, so it's not a matter of them saying "Our crappy supercomedy will make more money if we call it Flash." The optimum strategy for money-making would be to make their crappy supercomedy, call it something else, then make a Flash film down the line and make even more money off of that.

Morons.

[Saint]

Actually it was Goyer who admitted to checking it out.
That's right: he said the studio was paying attention to BOF, not himself.

[batbat_29640]

That's right: he said the studio was paying attention to BOF, not himself.
No . . . he himself. He read about someone hearing about he and Nolan meeting at a diner to talk script amongst other things.

[pjspider1C]

To me it looks like they picked up an action figure that was made years ago and said, "Here - make this his new costume..."

[Saint]

No . . . he himself. He read about someone hearing about he and Nolan meeting at a diner to talk script amongst other things.
Perhaps we are thinking of different quotes. I specifically recall him saying the studio was watching BOF, but I suppose he may have said on a different occasion that he was, too.

[bunk]

No, there is not, but there does not need to be a script. One can conclude from Levy's resume that he's going to ruin to film, much in the same way that one could predict in 2004 that Tim Story would make mediocre FF films, that Bret Ratner would ruin X3, or the MSJ would trash Ghost Rider.

It is especially infuriating for me because the Flash is my second favourite comic book character (Batman being first). I love the Flash. I've been waiting years for somebody competent to come along and make a great Flash film. Instead, they get the jerk who directed Cheaper by the Dozen? Granted, the Flash shouldn't be a dark film, but it's not a comedy. It should take itself seriously. The Flash is an adventure property, in the same vein of Spider-Man. Had WB any sense, they would have hired a director experienced in adventure films.

Instead, we're getting some tool who is going to turn it into another superhero comedy like "Zoom" or "Sky High." Why couldn't WB do this without calling it The Flash? After all, the Flash name won't put butts in seats, so it's not a matter of them saying "Our crappy supercomedy will make more money if we call it Flash." The optimum strategy for money-making would be to make their crappy supercomedy, call it something else, then make a Flash film down the line and make even more money off of that.

Morons.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If they have someone good write the script, I'll take some interest in it. I never thought Raimi was capable of anything on the scale of Spiderman and I would never have picked Jon Favreau for Iron man. Made isn't that great, Elf is a comedy, and Zathura sucks. The movie seems to be shaping up pretty good so far, so who knows.

[itsthebatman]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If they have someone good write the script, I'll take some interest in it. I never thought Raimi was capable of anything on the scale of Spiderman and I would never have picked Jon Favreau for Iron man. Made isn't that great, Elf is a comedy, and Zathura sucks. The movie seems to be shaping up pretty good so far, so who knows.


Raimi has a good resume, though, and did do the Evil Dead films, for which we are all eternally grateful.
I liked Made.:csad:
Shawn Levy? Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish.

[bunk]

It's not showing up. Anyway, would you mind posting the original version of the picture you manipped with Bats against the red wallpaper?


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6655/beginssuithi6.jpg

[FCEEVIPER]

I like the suit as it is. I think those who dislike should just say "I dislike it" instead of blowing out of proportion with the "robot Batman" talk. It's almost as retard as the Brokebat Mountain jokes.
Yup.

[batbat_29640]

Perhaps we are thinking of different quotes. I specifically recall him saying the studio was watching BOF, but I suppose he may have said on a different occasion that he was, too.
I believe so. And actually it was Chris Corbould who mentioned the studio checking BOF on a daily basis.

[bunk]

Raimi has a good resume, though, and did do the Evil Dead films, for which we are all eternally grateful.
I liked Made.:csad:
Shawn Levy? Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish.

I haven't seen a single thing he's directed.

[pjspider1C]

I remember in an interview a while back, I think it was Nolan that said something happens to Batman and he needs to get a new suit. I wonder what that "something" is...

[Saint]

I believe so. And actually it was Chris Corbould who mentioned the studio checking BOF on a daily basis.

No, not that comment (this time I know which one you're talking about, though). This one:


"I know in the case of Batman, a lot of the people at Warner Bros. were paying attention to this website called BATMAN ON FILM. And they were paying attention to it quite a bit."
- David S. Goyer, BATMAN BEGINS screenwriter.

[batbat_29640]

No, not that comment (this time I know which one you're talking about, though). This one:
That's one of his quotes yes but he goes into much more detail about it in an interview he did which he has posted on his myspace.

[Hobodeluxe]

I remember in an interview a while back, I think it was Nolan that said something happens to Batman and he needs to get a new suit. I wonder what that "something" is...

Alfred left it in the dryer too long and it melted.

[itsthebatman]

I voted for the 'like cowl and chest, not legs' option. With the proviso that further photos, and actually seeing the suit in action, may change my mind either way. Hard to make a final judgement on one photo.
I also don't see the whole Iron Man thing. A concentric knee pad and he's suddenly Tony Stark? Wesyeed, I think more than any of the previous filmmakers, Nolan does 'get it'. Rememebr the fear gas sequence where people in the Narrows saw Bats as a giant bat? That's exactly the image Bats tries to convey, and Nolan succeeded in showing that.
And no, I don't know why they would then change the suit to make it more obviously armour. But I'll wait and see - I'm sure there's a damn good reason for the change.

[sasquatchs]

This is more of a marketing influence than a creative one, all these sites were important last time

[LegendaryCaleb]

i choose the poll option "another freakin repeat thread" JK
i chose i like the new suit

[itsthebatman]

I haven't seen a single thing he's directed.

Night at the Museum (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477347/) (2006)
"Pepper Dennis" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460669/) (1 episode, 2006)
- Pilot (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0672729/) (2006) TV Episode
The Pink Panther (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383216/) (2006)
Joint Custody (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960783/) (2005) (TV)
The Deerings (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0887897/) (2004) (TV)
Cheaper by the Dozen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349205/) (2003)
Just Married (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0305711/) (2003)
... aka Voll verheiratet (Germany)
"Birds of Prey" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0312098/) (1 episode, 2002)
... aka BOP (USA: promotional abbreviation)
- Nature of the Beast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0526231/) (2002) TV Episode
"Do Over" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317364/) (1 episode, 2002)
- The Block Party (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0562557/) (2002) TV Episode
Big Fat Liar (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265298/) (2002)
... aka Lügen haben kurze Beine (Germany)
Jett Jackson: The Movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272606/) (2001) (TV)
"In a Heartbeat" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239174/) (2000) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"So Weird" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169247/) (1999) TV Series (unknown episodes)
Stray Dog (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203954/) (1999) (TV)
"The Famous Jett Jackson" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0174388/) (1998) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"First Wave" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160277/) (1998) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"Animorphs" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0154147/) (1998) TV Series (unknown episodes)
... aka AniTV (USA: promotional title)
"The Journey of Allen Strange" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0143325/) (1997) TV Series (unknown episodes)
Address Unknown (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118557/) (1997)
"Lassie" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118380/) (1997) TV Series (unknown episodes)
Just in Time (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119433/) (1997)
"Dead Man's Gun" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140735/) (1997) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"The Secret World of Alex Mack" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108921/) (1994) TV Series (unknown episodes)
... aka Alex Mack (USA: short title)
Look at that for a crap resume. Saint, I feel for you as a Flash fan.

[bunk]

Night at the Museum (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477347/) (2006)
"Pepper Dennis" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460669/) (1 episode, 2006)
- Pilot (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0672729/) (2006) TV Episode
The Pink Panther (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383216/) (2006)
Joint Custody (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960783/) (2005) (TV)
The Deerings (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0887897/) (2004) (TV)
Cheaper by the Dozen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349205/) (2003)
Just Married (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0305711/) (2003)
... aka Voll verheiratet (Germany)
"Birds of Prey" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0312098/) (1 episode, 2002)
... aka BOP (USA: promotional abbreviation)
- Nature of the Beast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0526231/) (2002) TV Episode
"Do Over" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317364/) (1 episode, 2002)
- The Block Party (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0562557/) (2002) TV Episode
Big Fat Liar (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265298/) (2002)
... aka Lügen haben kurze Beine (Germany)
Jett Jackson: The Movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272606/) (2001) (TV)
"In a Heartbeat" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239174/) (2000) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"So Weird" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169247/) (1999) TV Series (unknown episodes)
Stray Dog (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203954/) (1999) (TV)
"The Famous Jett Jackson" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0174388/) (1998) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"First Wave" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160277/) (1998) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"Animorphs" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0154147/) (1998) TV Series (unknown episodes)
... aka AniTV (USA: promotional title)
"The Journey of Allen Strange" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0143325/) (1997) TV Series (unknown episodes)
Address Unknown (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118557/) (1997)
"Lassie" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118380/) (1997) TV Series (unknown episodes)
Just in Time (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119433/) (1997)
"Dead Man's Gun" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140735/) (1997) TV Series (unknown episodes)
"The Secret World of Alex Mack" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108921/) (1994) TV Series (unknown episodes)
... aka Alex Mack (USA: short title)
Look at that for a crap resume. Saint, I feel for you as a Flash fan.


Yeah... I haven't seen any of that...

[sasquatchs]

Alfred left it in the dryer too long and it melted.

That reminds me of a problem with Batman Forever, the suggestion that Alfred makes Robins suit hints at Alfred having a sculpted muscle/rubber fetish :woot:

[Hobodeluxe]

Well I voted for option 4

I'd like to see something other than rubber,even if it's in pieces. I could live with it if the legs weren't so busy looking. maybe the lighting will help like it does in the official pic. Can't really say for sure till we see a better pic from the front.
I do like what I've seen of the cowl and the smaller emblem on the chest and actually the chest piece itself is better. With one caveat. The emblem seems to be the same color as the rest of the upper chest piece and doesn't really stand out. I would have like to have seen them make the chest lighter than the emblem or make the emblem gold like the belt.

My main complaint is the legs and the patchwork pattern. Hopefully it doesn't look like the spy shot or the action figure.

[pjspider1C]

^ And a thing for nipples.