Batsuit Discussion Thread

[TheBatman072]

And here comes the asinine excuses. :o

The point is, a small time unknown comic book like "300" beat the worldwide icon and handed him his ass.


If by "asinine excuses" you mean "the truth" then yes. Here it comes.

[Octoberist]

And here comes the asinine excuses. :o

The point is, a small time unknown comic book like "300" beat the worldwide icon and handed him his ass.

How are they excuses?

[Crook]

Because the bottom line, is 300 beat out both Bats and Supes (domestic and worldwide if I'm not mistaken). Which proves popularity ain't **** in the long run.

Name recognition might help in the first opening week or so, just as marketing does. But after that, it's all word of mouth. Judging from the general impression I get, 300 provided more for the audience (as pure entertainment) than the 2 aforementioned comic book movies.

[bunk]

Didn't 300 come out in the spring anyway? Not as much competition.

[CaptainClown]

well it also was the first of its kind (sort of) and people were interested in a new looking movie.

[MechaOrga]

Because the bottom line, is 300 beat out both Bats and Supes (domestic and worldwide if I'm not mistaken). Which proves popularity ain't **** in the long run.

Name recognition might help in the first opening week or so, just as marketing does. But after that, it's all word of mouth. Judging from the general impression I get, 300 provided more for the audience (as pure entertainment) than the 2 aforementioned comic book movies.

Speaking as a film maker, I would rather my film be looked at 10/20 years down the line and still have people say "wow that's a good film" a la batman begins, where i think 300 is more in the vein of trans formers. Just a slice of cake....with doo doo on top:oldrazz:

I would pick superman returns and Begins over 300 any day of the week. 300 is a very, very, very weak movie that needded absolutley no imagination by the director or the parties involved. Shoot, Bultler didnt even have to drop his accent all that much for the role.

The trailer for 300 did kick major ass. In the end tha'st all the movie was. An overlong trailer. A movie that would have been much better if the director had a lick of sense instead of "translating it" for the screen.I already read the comic(which i'm a fan of. Don't need it put on the screen shot for shot, just like sin city...UGH!!!)

Nolan has more talent in his finger than snyder has in his whole body(nothing against snyder, he's a pretty cool guy).

I'm talking quality not numbers.

Wait what thread is this?:oldrazz:

[Mr. Socko]

Didn't 300 come out in the spring anyway? Not as much competition.


Yes, a film making that much in a March release was astonishing.

[Crook]

Speaking as a film maker, I would rather my film be looked at 10/20 years down the line and still have people say "wow that's a good film" a la batman begins, where i think 300 is more in the vein of trans formers. Just a slice of cake....with doo doo on top :oldrazz:

I would pick superman returns and Begins over 300 any day of the week. 300 is a very, very, very weak movie that needded absolutley no imagination by the director or the parties involved. Shoot, Bultler didnt even have to drop his accent all that much for the role.
That's all well and fine. But I'm not talking about which film you'd rather keep with you on your DVD shelf, I'd pick BB over 300 as well.

But as for which film I'd probably rather choose 9 outta 10 times to watch with a couple of friends at a party? 300 no question. It lacks story, but it makes up for it in entertainment. Heck, how many times have you seen people quote that movie or re-enact scenes? Obviously it's not just a throwaway film in a lot of people's eyes.

I'm talking quality not numbers.
That's not what either party has been talking about until you've brought it up. We're talking popularity, you're talking quality. :o

[CaptainClown]

300 you could quote and just about everyone will know what you are talking about. it is one of those cinema classics that will be remembered like Never Ending story

[Visionary]

How are they excuses?
How is it not, blaming the marketing (sounds like Bryan Singer with Superman). WB is a marketing giant, on top of that, 300 is R-rated and still beat the PG-13 Bats. Even with the rot of the other films, getting beat by an unknown comic with damn near zero fanbase, is nothing to just brush off your shoulders.I would pick superman returns and Begins over 300 any day of the week.
You would, but the majority wouldn't.

Which is my point, two icons heroes, getting their asses handed to them by an almost unknown comic book film. :dry:

[The Batman]

Alot of Batman fans dont want to admit that in some ways, BB's BO was just as disappointing as SR, but they brush it off because BB was the Batmovie they always wanted.

[Diamondhead]

Why so much fuss for a Halloween costume character :huh:

[ray243]

Alot of Batman fans dont want to admit that in some ways, BB's BO was just as disappointing as SR, but they brush it off because BB was the Batmovie they always wanted.

Yes and no.

No because batman begins managed to make a return from B&R which may have affected people in watching batman...then BB decides to do a very very low key advertising campaign in order to ensure people would not get their hopes too high or etc. As compared to superman returns.

Hence we could say BB did meet it's expectations as comapred to superman returns.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Alot of Batman fans dont want to admit that in some ways, BB's BO was just as disappointing as SR, but they brush it off because BB was the Batmovie they always wanted.

It's all based on their respective budgets. Begins is considered a hit because it had a smaller budget. SR had an enormous budget, so anything short of record-breaking numbers damned it to be considered a disappointment.

This mentality really bothers me, because it has no relevance to the quality of the movie or the amount of sheer people that went to see it. MORE people saw Superman Returns than saw Batman Begins, but since SR cost more to make, it's less financially successful and thus, a disappointment. Not to take anything away from Begins, which I love.

[The Batman]

Yes and no.

No because batman begins managed to make a return from B&R which may have affected people in watching batman...then BB decides to do a very very low key advertising campaign in order to ensure people would not get their hopes too high or etc. As compared to superman returns.

Hence we could say BB did meet it's expectations as comapred to superman returns.

which is why i said "In some ways..."

[Nightwing1977]

Alot of Batman fans dont want to admit that in some ways, BB's BO was just as disappointing as SR, but they brush it off because BB was the Batmovie they always wanted.

Disappointing? It made a lot of it money back & is heavily praise as a great movie. It more than just the Batmovie we wanted: it was a great film. Period.

Beside, BR's box office was disappointing compare to BB. After all, BB made more right? ;)

[Paste Pot Pete]

How is it not, blaming the marketing (sounds like Bryan Singer with Superman). WB is a marketing giant, on top of that, 300 is R-rated and still beat the PG-13 Bats. Even with the rot of the other films, getting beat by an unknown comic with damn near zero fanbase, is nothing to just brush off your shoulders.
You would, but the majority wouldn't.

Which is my point, two icons heroes, getting their asses handed to them by an almost unknown comic book film. :dry:

What do you want them to say? A lot of people just have really bad taste, as 300 was nothing more than a nice Friday night diversion of style over substance. Technically ingenius, but ultimately forgettable. It was a fad.

[El Payaso]

as 300 was nothing more than a nice Friday night diversion of style over substance. Technically ingenius, but ultimately forgettable. It was a fad.

I can very much agree with you on this one . :up:

[rashad]

Alot of Batman fans dont want to admit that in some ways, BB's BO was just as disappointing as SR, but they brush it off because BB was the Batmovie they always wanted.


Well comparing it to the boxoffice of the previous films alone it did great imo. Comsidering the downhill spiral this franchise was on after the god awful B&R. I think TDK has the potential to best the numbers of Batman '89 and be number 1. As Batman would say, "What do you think?"

Batman - $411M WW
Batman Begins - $371M WW
Batman Forever - $335M WW
Batman Returns - $266M WW
Batman & Robin - $238M WW



*Back on topic, I can't wait to see more promo shots of the new suit. This thread sure could use them. lol

[Nimrandir]

It just occured to me that the new suit looks like Robocop.

[The Dark Guybrush]

It just occured to me that the new suit looks like Robocop.

i think this is the first thing everyone else here thought of :ninja:

[Paste Pot Pete]

i think this is the first thing everyone else here thought of :ninja:

"Its teh Murphy!"

[The Dark Guybrush]

"Its teh Murphy!"

oh god, this made me LOL coffee all over the place :hyper:

[Fenrir]

I can very much agree with you on this one . :up:

So do I. 300 is like a sizzling hot supermodel chick - gorgeous to look at, but unbearably dumb and shallow.

[The Dark Guybrush]

hey, not all supermodels are dumb..

[Crook]

Exactly. Guybrush and I take offense to that asinine assumption. :down :cmad:

[Fenrir]

hey, not all supermodels are dumb..

Exactly. Guybrush and I take offense to that asinine assumption. :down :cmad:

Probably, but then you have chicks like these. (http://www.maniacworld.com/what-is-she-talking-about.html) Not to mention I distinctly recall watching a Miss World/Universe contest in which one of the contestants was unable to answer where in the world is the river Nile. I mean...gawd DAYUM, woman. :dry:

[The Dark Guybrush]

so you're saying if one egg in the carton is rotten, the whole carton is bad.
you're making perfect sense. :dry:
BACK on TOPIC: who else is nervous about batman's neck situation?
i'm still worried it will still be too unnaturally stiff.

[CaptainClown]

I am kind of worried about that, but I am pretty sure it will be fine

[Fenrir]

so you're saying if one egg in the carton is rotten, the whole carton is bad.
you're making perfect sense. :dry:

I would've said "stereotypical supermodel" if I knew the guys on this forum were so PC. :ninja:

[Crook]

I am kind of worried about that, but I am pretty sure it will be fine
I'm pretty sure with how the neck/mask is designed, they've completely gotten rid of any complications.

I would've said "stereotypical supermodel" if I knew the guys on this forum were so PC. :ninja:
We take great guard over our honeys. :o :ninja:

[Paste Pot Pete]

BACK on TOPIC: who else is nervous about batman's neck situation?
i'm still worried it will still be too unnaturally stiff.

You're not the only one.

New Wayne Enterprises aquisition:

http://www.lipkinchiro.com/chiropractor_lipkin.jpg

[Fenrir]

We take great guard over our honeys. :o :ninja:

That is only until you get a taste of what a chick with brains will do to you. :csad:

[Crook]

That is only until you get a taste of what a chick with brains will do to you. :csad:
Does tasting what it's like to have a chick give good brain count? :o

[Mr. Socko]

BACK on TOPIC: who else is nervous about batman's neck situation?
i'm still worried it will still be too unnaturally stiff.

They made the neck and the cowl two different pieces in TDK just so it wouldn't be stiff looking or feeling. I don't like the thought of it being different pieces, but it will definitely help the actor.

[The Dark Guybrush]

I would've said "stereotypical supermodel" if I knew the guys on this forum were so PC. :ninja:

WRONG AGAIN- i'm actuall a Mac user, exclusively. :hyper:
PS anyone know what that can opener gauntlet attachment is?
(or have i answered my own question..??)

[Fenrir]

Does tasting what it's like to have a chick give good brain count? :o

Ya think I'd be using THIS ":csad:" smiley instead of ":woot:" if it did?! :cmad:

[Puddin]

Why so much fuss for a Halloween costume character :huh:

Was that in reference to Batman? If so, without throwing a big fit or writing a long drawn out explanation that few would bother to read, I'll just say that to many folks Batman is much more than a Halloween Costume character, what with the mythos behind the character and all.

[Hobodeluxe]

WRONG AGAIN- i'm actuall a Mac user, exclusively. :hyper:
PS anyone know what that can opener gauntlet attachment is?
(or have i answered my own question..??)

I suppose it's to help him do just what it's doing. Hang onto a moving vehicle.

[Fenrir]

WRONG AGAIN- i'm actuall a Mac user, exclusively. :hyper:

No wonder you stand up for the minorities. :o

[Paste Pot Pete]

They made the neck and the cowl two different pieces in TDK just so it wouldn't be stiff looking or feeling. I don't like the thought of it being different pieces, but it will definitely help the actor.

I'm hoping that since the mask will be a more easily removable separate piece, we'll actually get a scene or two of Bruce wearing the suit & cape without the mask. We got one in Returns (though Keaton had to literally RIP the mask off) and a brief one in Begins (from behind!)

It's a random thing to ask for, but I've just always thought it was a cool image, Bruce hanging out in the cave wearing the suit sans mask.

[Crook]

Ya think I'd be using THIS ":csad:" smiley instead of ":woot:" if it did?! :cmad:
Guys have bad experiences. I didn't wanna make assumptions. :oldrazz:

I'm hoping that since the mask will be a more easily removable separate piece, we'll actually get a scene or two of Bruce wearing the suit & cape without the mask. We got one in Returns (though Keaton had to literally RIP the mask off) and a brief one in Begins (from behind!)

It's a random thing to ask for, but I've just always thought it was a cool image, Bruce hanging out in the cave wearing the suit sans mask.
Yeah I share those sentiments. We haven't truly gotten a good look at that particular "look" of Bruce. One has to wonder if they'll leave out the black eye-makeup.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Yeah I share those sentiments. We haven't truly gotten a good look at that particular "look" of Bruce. One has to wonder if they'll leave out the black eye-makeup.

That's probably the exact reason they've avoided it.

But I've always been of the mind that the makeup was never intended to be perceived literally as "makeup." Burton clearly felt that way, being upfront about the fact that it's merely for aesthetic as it magically disappears in that scene from Returns.

I'd have no problem with the magic disappearing makeup, as long as it's covered up better than it was in Returns, by cutting in a way that we never see Bruce wearing the mask without the makeup.

In fact, I'm wondering if and how TDK will use the makeup at all in the new suit. You can't really see his eyes well in any of the pics. And if the rumors are true, he'll have retractable lenses, which implies smaller eye holes (or enormous lenses :wow: ).

[The Dark Guybrush]

this will bring up the debate of whether or not bruce's eyes are perma-black.

[GoogleMe94]

this will bring up the debate of whether or not bruce's eyes are perma-black.

LOL.


i dont think he will have the lenses the WHOLE time. in those leaked pics, i didnt see any lenses...or eyes....

[Axtech]

maybe Joker will unmask Bats and they'll have a moment staring into eachother's panda eyes...

[Nivek]

So do I. 300 is like a sizzling hot supermodel chick - gorgeous to look at, but unbearably dumb and shallow.

I like that some of you looking doewn your nose at 300 fail to point out it's an almost panel to screen Translation of the comic, and it still made bank AND a bunch of fans. So, just like Sin City, it just shows lifting comic imagery doesn't turn off the general public.

People who preach this realism stuff dont really get that in films, alot of people want awe and visual coolness, not detailed exposition on why something works or why someone acts a certain way. Sucks, but look at 300 and Transformers living up to the hype and having the box office and DVD sales to prove it.

[CaptainClown]

I think 300 was more like an epic poem then a good story. What it lacked in interesting story it made up with visual graphics and something generally cool. It is popular mainly because it brought to screen a badass character and some catch phrases that I pretty much guarantee will be around for a long long time.

[Nivek]

300 was a translation of a Frank Miller graphic novel. A damn good one. All the narrative issues some of you are waa-waaing about are in the book.

Too bad it seems like Batman producers lack the testicular fortitude to be as brave and have the character appear in the same grey and black suit from the comics.

[Paste Pot Pete]

I like that some of you looking doewn your nose at 300 fail to point out it's an almost panel to screen Translation of the comic, and it still made bank AND a bunch of fans. So, just like Sin City, it just shows lifting comic imagery doesn't turn off the general public.



So people ate it up. That doesn't make it a great movie. This is the same public that voted George Bush to office twice.

And my thinking it wasn't a great movie doesn't have any bearing on my opinion of direct panel to screen translation. I think it can work and obviously can appeal to mass audiences. I'd just prefer better source material. I hope Snyder does as close an adaptation to a truly brilliant, thoughtful, and relevant book, Watchmen.

I don't really care about artistic "bravery" and slavish devotion to the page (In fact, I think a word for word adaptation is almost the less creative and safer route; at least you're bound to please the hardcore, snarling, bloodlusting fan base. Do your own thing and you run the risk of isolating BOTH audiences).

I don't know. I like to be surprised. Short of Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face and some likely elements from TLH, TKJ, etc, I have no idea what's going to happen in The Dark Knight, and I like it that way. Not to mention that I prefer the wet, dirty streets of Chicago and the gorgeous, sweeping shots of the Himalayas (thanks to the Oscar-nominated work of Wally Pfister) to the pretty but empty CG imagery of 300.

[Mr. Socko]

I prefer the art-deco, stylistic, but still dirty streets of Gotham(thanks to the Oscar-winning Anton Furst) to the wet, all dirty, piss-colored tinted streets of Chicago.


But that's just me.

[Crook]

You people do realize it's possible to like both films? :huh:

[CaptainClown]

like both?! pfft ridiculous!

[Mr. Socko]

You people do realize it's possible to like both films? :huh:


Yes, I still enjoyed the piss tinted streets of Chicago.


http://www.toastedpixel.com/comic/batmanscrewed.jpg

[CaptainClown]

thats a pretty cool picture

[Mr. Socko]

thats a pretty cool picture


I agree. Taken directly from the comics. :up:

[rashad]

Yes, I still enjoyed the piss tinted streets of Chicago.


http://www.toastedpixel.com/comic/batmanscrewed.jpg

I loved this scene.

[The Dark Guybrush]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/cataract/comp1.jpg

[Paste Pot Pete]

Perfect example of the understated respect filmmakers like Nolan show without having to make everything shot for shot. Nothing better than having an original story filled with a whole lot of little nods to the comics, stuff you can point to and say "I know exactly which page of which book he was looking at when he composed that shot."

[Crook]

You got all of that from one comparison shot? Wow. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Laughing/004.gif

[ultimatefan]

Alot of Batman fans dont want to admit that in some ways, BB's BO was just as disappointing as SR, but they brush it off because BB was the Batmovie they always wanted.

I guess that´s why WB moved on with a sequel as soon as Nolan was available, while MOS has been postponed, maybe indefinitely. BB was not only a much more profitable movie than SR - sure, it cost less, but still -, but it sold much better on DVD, which shows people responded to it better, and the early hype for TDK is way higher than the one for BB, which shows it did its job, which was to win people back on Bats. At the same point in 2004, there was nearly no anticipation for BB outside Batman geekdom, and now it´s the second most anticipated movie of the year according to a Movie Tickets poll with thousands of moviegoers from all demographics.

[ultimatefan]

And here comes the asinine excuses. :o

The point is, a small time unknown comic book like "300" beat the worldwide icon and handed him his ass.

The worldwide icon has been giving WB big time benjamins since when Frank Miller wasn´t even thinking of 300. How many action figures, lunchboxes, backpacks, saturday morning cartoons and comic books has WB been able to make with 300 again?

[Mr. Socko]

The worldwide icon has been giving WB big time benjamins since when Frank Miller wasn´t even thinking of 300. How many action figures, lunchboxes, backpacks, saturday morning cartoons and comic books has WB been able to make with 300 again?

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CNC49217.jpg

http://www.munkeygames.com/shop/bmz_cache/2/23a23d3a02e14f4cea94b849305e5d4b.image.300x300.jpg

http://images.entertainmentearth.com/thumbnails%5CNC49211lg.jpg

http://www.wbshop.com/kernel/images/external_features/300NCLBOX_f.jpg

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/April2007/300logo.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/300_The_Movie_300_Leonidas_Helmet_NE49241_7106.jpg

Obviously enough.

[Gianakin_]

Seriously, are people suggesting that BB didn't do so well at the BO because it wasn't comic booky enough?

[SuperestHero]

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CNC49217.jpg

http://www.munkeygames.com/shop/bmz_cache/2/23a23d3a02e14f4cea94b849305e5d4b.image.300x300.jpg

http://images.entertainmentearth.com/thumbnails%5CNC49211lg.jpg

http://www.wbshop.com/kernel/images/external_features/300NCLBOX_f.jpg

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/April2007/300logo.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/300_The_Movie_300_Leonidas_Helmet_NE49241_7106.jpg

Obviously enough.

Hands down more than 60+ years of merch......... we have a winner in 300. :whatever:

[Mr. Socko]

Seriously, are people suggesting that BB didn't do so well at the BO because it wasn't comic booky enough?


Not sure, I just walked in on the convo, but I doubt it. It wasn't anymore differentiated from the comics than Spider-Man was to it's comics. So that argument couldn't really hold.

[Mr. Socko]

Hands down more than 60+ years of merch......... we have a winner in 300. :whatever:


Please, end yourself...now.:dry:

[Gianakin_]

Not sure, I just walked in on the convo, but I doubt it. It wasn't anymore differentiated from the comics than Spider-Man was to it's comics. So that argument couldn't really hold.

I don't know, I saw 2 incinuations (Sp?) in the beginning and I can't believe that people would honestly think of that, especially when BB was so critically acclaimed, just like Spidey2 (since you mentioned it), which was comic booky enough IMO.
I mean.... if we're taking BO so seriously suddenly, Transformers must be a fantastic movie (and it will pain me to hear the responses to this particular comment), much much better than BB.

[SuperestHero]

The worldwide icon has been giving WB big time benjamins since when Frank Miller wasn´t even thinking of 300. How many action figures, lunchboxes, backpacks, saturday morning cartoons and comic books has WB been able to make with 300 again?

This dude is 100% right ^

"Please, end yourself...now." WTF??

as if 300 has made a speck of $$ that batman has since his incarnation in the merch scene.... :huh:

[Mr. Socko]

This dude is 100% right ^

"Please, end yourself...now." WTF??

as if 300 has made a speck of $$ that batman has since his incarnation in the merch scene.... :huh:


Show me where I said 300 has made more than Batman overall and I'll agree to say you're an intelligent person. K, sugarbumps?

[ultimatefan]

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CNC49217.jpg

http://www.munkeygames.com/shop/bmz_cache/2/23a23d3a02e14f4cea94b849305e5d4b.image.300x300.jpg

http://images.entertainmentearth.com/thumbnails%5CNC49211lg.jpg

http://www.wbshop.com/kernel/images/external_features/300NCLBOX_f.jpg

http://www.graphittidesigns.com/shop/files/images_backup/April2007/300logo.jpg

http://www.mwart.com/images/p/300_The_Movie_300_Leonidas_Helmet_NE49241_7106.jpg

Obviously enough.

Don´t even try to compare it with how much Batman merchandise WB has sold so far or you´ll become the joke of the boards.

[Mr. Socko]

Don´t even try to compare it with how much Batman merchandise WB has sold so far or you´ll become the joke of the boards.


Please, don't become as dumb as the hero person, the hype still needs good users. The post of mine you quoted didn't compare merchandise, now did it? It was merely an answer to your post, which to me, insinuated 300 had no merchandise at all. I'm sure it sold a decent amount back in march, which is the exact reason why I finished my post off with, "obviously enough" not, "more than Batman."

[Porygon]

The only reason people are arguing so furiously is because they can't handle their favourite movie being criticised.

It's just a movie folks. Not everybody has to like it.

Likewise, people shouldn't be coming into discussion boards dedicated to a certain movie to bash it either. It just causes arguments and you look like a ****. Sure, you can say you don't like it, but be constructive. Don't come up with childish names like "JINO" or "Burtonite", because that's stupid and just creates more aggression.

If everyone would just be confident in their own opinions, the world will be a better place.

[ultimatefan]

Please, don't become as dumb as the hero person, the hype still needs good users. The post of mine you quoted didn't compare merchandise, now did it? It was merely an answer to your post, which to me, insinuated 300 had no merchandise at all. I'm sure it sold a decent amount back in march, which is the exact reason why I finished my post off with, "obviously enough" not, "more than Batman."

Okay, but it was in the context of me responding to Visionary´s teasing about 300 making more than BB, which blatantly ignores Batman´s long history as a golden goose. Just putting it in proper perspective so nobody gets the wrong idea.

[Gianakin_]

If everyone would just be confident in their own opinions, the world will be a better place.

That's exactly the reason why arguing exists in these boards, because people are confident and others disagree with them.

[Porygon]

Okay, but it was in the context of me responding to Visionary´s teasing about 300 making more than BB, which blatantly ignores Batman´s long history as a golden goose. Just putting it in proper perspective so nobody gets the wrong idea.But I thought the whole point of the 300 argument was that despite Batman's place in pop culture and status as a cash cow, it was still beaten by an unknown comic book adaption? So what use does pointing out Batman's long history of success serve?

Just saying.

[Porygon]

That's exactly the reason why arguing exists in these boards, because people are confident and others disagree with them.
If they were truly confident, then they wouldn't care if people disagreed with them.

If I said on these boards that Batman Begins wasn't great, I would be flooded with responses on how I am 'wrong', i'd probably have a few insults thrown at me, some losers would probably report me to the mods for 'trolling'.

Now I'm not saying that messages like "BATMAN BEGINS SUX AND ANYONE WHO LIKES IT SUX BY ASSOCIATION" are appropriate, as that is trolling and obviously that poster is not here for discussion, but to provoke a response (and he would most certainly get the response he wants).

Most arguments on message boards start because people can't handle the fact people like or don't like what they do/don't.

[Gianakin_]

Fair enough.

[Mr. Socko]

What the heck is JINO lol


Edit: Is that suppose to be Joker in Name only or referring to someone else? Didn't know what it meant at first.

[Porygon]

What the heck is JINO lolJoker In Name Only. I've seen it before.

[Mr. Socko]

Joker In Name Only. I've seen it before.


I think I've seen it once, but not much. It's usually only given to real terrible things like CINO. Probably hear that one the most:oldrazz:

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, some people tried to make it fashionable when the first Joker pic was revealed (IBIHDT), along with "teh Puffy Joker".

[lujho]

I meant to post this in this thread but accidentally posted it to the manips one:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=13097498#post13097498

My question is, who would object to Batman's bodysuit being a little something like this in style:

http://8zgwca.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p276h42RObIyYZHt6KglMmDaovChkVeLAVTomUT14pt6PH_F 8gdPtBM7UlCCp6MHaFLwARDBrh4nJ1Rz__3a3xQ/super_concept_study.jpg

[Gianakin_]

The new suit doesn't look really different from that one. In the official pic where he stands on top of the police car, it looks just as slick as Supes's suit in the above drawing.

[Porygon]

The new suit doesn't look really different from that one. In the official pic where he stands on top of the police car, it looks just as slick as Supes's suit in the above drawing.But not so great in the others, unfortunately.

[Gianakin_]

Well, the only... weird pic I've seen is the one he's walking behind the Joker, in the interrogation room. The crotch and pants area particularly.

[Porygon]

Well, the only... weird pic I've seen is the one he's walking behind the Joker, in the interrogation room. The crotch and pants area particularly.The armour just looks fake. The rubber does not help that design.

[Gianakin_]

I disagree, especially in the pics where Joker kicks Batman and in the one where he stands on a building and overlooks Gotham (the pic is from the torso up), I find it just fine.

[Mr. Socko]

Well, the only... weird pic I've seen is the one he's walking behind the Joker, in the interrogation room. The crotch and pants area particularly.


*Checks picture*


It does look a bit bulky down there dunnit:oldrazz:

There's a blue tint to the suit in the leaked pics but I'm sure it'll be completely black looking in color correction in PP. Just like with BR.

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, it's... the weight he carries. It takes big cajones to be a crimefighter, doesn't it?

[Paste Pot Pete]

Joker In Name Only. I've seen it before.

Yeah, people are really pushing it with the JINO. CINO, definitely. But JINO?

More like JIEWEMPD (Joker in Every Way Except Minor Physical Details). :woot:

[ultimatefan]

But I thought the whole point of the 300 argument was that despite Batman's place in pop culture and status as a cash cow, it was still beaten by an unknown comic book adaption? So what use does pointing out Batman's long history of success serve?

Just saying.

The point is putting things in a larger perspective, not surrender to "flavor of the month" argument. Batman has proven his popularity time and again, but even he goes through ups and downs in his history, his film franchise right now is in a recovering process, a limited comparison like this doesn´t prove anything.

[El Payaso]

I like that some of you looking doewn your nose at 300 fail to point out it's an almost panel to screen Translation of the comic, and it still made bank AND a bunch of fans. So, just like Sin City, it just shows lifting comic imagery doesn't turn off the general public.

People who preach this realism stuff dont really get that in films, alot of people want awe and visual coolness, not detailed exposition on why something works or why someone acts a certain way. Sucks, but look at 300 and Transformers living up to the hype and having the box office and DVD sales to prove it.

Man, ANY crap nowadays can produce money and fans.

300 and Sin City, the comics are excvellent, the movies are a soulless bore.

[Nivek]

Man, ANY crap nowadays can produce money and fans.

300 and Sin City, the comics are excvellent, the movies are a soulless bore.

Thats your opinion, sorry you didn't want to enjoy it, but myself and many, many, many many many many others did.

[BubbaGump]

Thats your opinion, sorry you didn't want to enjoy it, but myself and many, many, many many many many others did.

Agreed. 300 and Sin City were :up: :up: I didn't like Transformers though. Now THAT was a soulless bore.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Thats your opinion, sorry you didn't want to enjoy it, but myself and many, many, many many many many others did.

Why would anyone not want to like a movie?

[BubbaGump]

Why would anyone not want to like a movie?

Having a closed mind helps. :up:

[Thot]

Well since that pic on the other page hasn't gotten deleted yet I guess this is ok. I adjusted the lighting on the pic to show how the suit will look in the final product. It takes some of the blue out of the armor plates and just looks a lot better overall to me.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg

I'm digging the overall look of the new suit. My only real quibble is the tiny bat-symbol. Funny that Nolan would make the same mistake Singer did on the Superman suit (and caught so much hell for!). I suppose I could bellyache about the too-small mouth opening as well, throws off the aesthetics of the cowl a bit. Oh well.....

[Paste Pot Pete]

Having a closed mind helps. :up:

But why is it assumed that because someone didn't like something, they went in with intentions of not liking it? Certainly that is often the case, but not always.

I REALLY wanted to like FF2 and I thought it showed a lot of promise after the first film, but I found it to be an absolutely pointless endeavor which failed even as an action spectacle (unacceptable, in a summer full of Transformers, Spider-Man 3, Pirates, Die Hard, etc).

[El Payaso]

Thats your opinion, sorry you didn't want to enjoy it, but myself and many, many, many many many many others did.

Naw, ya wrong cooz me and many, many, many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many others didn't :whatever:

[Wams]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.

[ultimatefan]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.

Matter of taste. PERIOD.

[jimmy]

So, wait, the photos ARENT banned anymore?

[CaptainClown]

apparently

[Two-Face]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.

is that new pic:huh:

[CaptainClown]

I don't think that picture is the final product of that scene. I think it was just a snapshot not something that will be in the movie

[CaptainClown]

is it?

[MacBoon]

yeaaaah it's one of the banned pics....
at first i thought it wasn't but i check on my computer folder and it turns out it is soooooooooooo i'd get rid of it bud, doesn't matter if you have tweaked the blue out of it either

[Puddin]

Yeah it is a manip. I don't remember what thread or who, but when it was originally posted the artist said all he did was change the lighting in photoshop to try and give us an idea of what the final suit might really look like.

[Gianakin_]

Matter of taste. PERIOD.

Preach it. Over and out.

[CaptainClown]

Ya. Lightening it changes the costume because the Batman costume relies on shadows and darkness. Lightening it is changing it into something its not suppose to be

[Mr. Socko]

The suit will be color corrected to be black in post production, despite giving off a blue arua. Just as it was in Batman Returns.


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3937/keatonkane002lgvh8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5834/148882batman400bc1.jpg

[El Payaso]

What can I say, so far I'm loving the new suit even when in that pic it looks a little odd.

is that new pic:huh:

Quite old actually.

[TheBatman072]

What can I say, so far I'm loving the new suit even when in that pic it looks a little odd.


Batman's going to be able to turn his head so much better now. I hope they put a slight, subtle emphasis on it.


Suit looks so damn mobile.

[CaptainClown]

Batman's going to be able to turn his head so much better now. I hope they put a slight, subtle emphasis on it.


Suit looks so damn mobile.

ya looks like something I would wear in combat and I would be confident I could get around

[Porygon]

ya looks like something I would wear in combat and I would be confident I could get around
You would wear rubber in combat?

[uchiha_itachi]

You would wear rubber in combat?


*insert sex joke here*

[Spider-Jay]

Sorry if this may have been posted before.

But isn't the reason why the suit is bluish is because it needs to be seen when being shot?

I mean, when filming in dark areas with little light, don't they have to be able to see the suit? And then they touch it up and use filters after shooting? Just wondering.

[GoogleMe94]

The suit will be color corrected to be black in post production, despite giving off a blue arua. Just as it was in Batman Returns.


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3937/keatonkane002lgvh8.jpg



the blue makes him look sooo BTAS lol. that cowl looks amazing. not to knock on the '89 suit, because i love that one as well, but i love this suit sooo much better then the "fake muscle" suit. armored looks better. glad they are useing a similiar type suit in TDK, although it looks like a bit more complicated then this one.

[Two-Face]

What can I say, so far I'm loving the new suit even when in that pic it looks a little odd.



Quite old actually.



I like the new suit better then the BB suit :up:


Thanks Payaso!


The suit will be color corrected to be black in post production, despite giving off a blue arua. Just as it was in Batman Returns.


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3937/keatonkane002lgvh8.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5834/148882batman400bc1.jpg

Batman in the first pic looks evil!:woot:

[gwynplaine]

Michael Keaton was cool, specially considering the limitations of the suit and the fact that Burton can't really film action.

[GoogleMe94]

i thought burton had some good action in his batfilms. at least you could see what was going on, lol. he always managed to keep batmans face in the shadows, if you ever noticed. it was a bit comic-booky and slightly cartoonish, but it IS a comic book movie, and i thought he did a pretty good job. he should do action more often, but i dont think action movies are his favorite to do, although if you watch Sleepy Hollow the action scenes were AWSOME.

[gwynplaine]

I love Burton but i've always thought of him more as some sort of grandiose gothic painter than as an action director (planet of the apes comes to mind), but to each his own and I can't wait to see Sweeney Todd (Sacha Baron Cohen looks hysterical as johnny Depp's rival barber).

[CaptainClown]

You would wear rubber in combat?

not literally what the material is, but what its suppose to be which is a light weight body armor.

[GoogleMe94]

I love Burton but i've always thought of him more as some sort of grandiose gothic painter than as an action director (planet of the apes comes to mind), but to each his own and I can't wait to see Sweeney Todd (Sacha Baron Cohen looks hysterical as johnny Depp's rival barber).

YEAH SWEENEY TODD WOOO!!:woot: that does indeed look awsome. i agree, burton is more of a story guy, not an action guy. i thought planet of the apes was pretty lame, but his batman films were awsome. the stories were better, thats probably why.

[Nightwing1977]

Batman in the first pic looks evil!:woot:



Batman shouldn't smile thought. Whatever happend to the "brooding, dark creature of the night"? :p

[El Payaso]

Batman shouldn't smile thought. Whatever happend to the "brooding, dark creature of the night"? :p

Well, he's shaking hands with Anthony Quinn... :)

[BatScot]

not literally what the material is,Exactly...

but what its suppose to be which is a light weight body armor.... which is why the suit could be made of many materials besides rubber.

[GoogleMe94]

Well, he's shaking hands with Anthony Quinn... :)


HAHA. he does look like him.:woot:

[MasterOgami]

Exactly...

... which is why the suit could be made of many materials besides rubber.

Isn't it though? I thought I read that much of it, aside from pieces like the cowl, were fiberglass? Some parts are certainly rubber, as the leaked photos show, but others spots are much more difficult to identify IMO.

[TheBatman072]

Isn't it though? I thought I read that much of it, aside from pieces like the cowl, were fiberglass? Some parts are certainly rubber, as the leaked photos show, but others spots are much more difficult to identify IMO.


In the context of the movie? No, it's not rubber.


In real life? Yes, it's rubber.

[Paste Pot Pete]

the blue makes him look sooo BTAS lol. that cowl looks amazing. not to knock on the '89 suit, because i love that one as well, but i love this suit sooo much better then the "fake muscle" suit. armored looks better. glad they are useing a similiar type suit in TDK, although it looks like a bit more complicated then this one.

Totally. The Returns suit was always the best suit, and by far the best cowl. TDK seems like it could definitely beat it, though (if only because of the increased mobility).

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

They should have got rid of the round yellow logo, always hated that.

[Mr. Socko]

They did get rid of it, well over a decade ago.

[rijuco]

rofl

[Nightwing1977]

In the context of the movie? No, it's not rubber.


In real life? Yes, it's rubber.

I never pay attention that it's rubber in the movie, when it is in real life as you say. I think some need to suspend their belief that it isn't rubber in the movie. They didn't made it rubber because it look cool. They made it like that in order for Bale to move well. If you make the suit very much like how it is made in the movie, there's no way Bale is going to move well. Again, many are nitpicking the rubber. They are using a better instead of using heavy suit that has less mobility with what Keaton wore in both Burton's films. Compare to Keaton's suits, Bale can move better in his own suit.

[cryptic name]

Exactly...

... which is why the suit could be made of many materials besides rubber.

the tdk suit is also made of nylon, fiberglass and a few other things in addition to the rubber

[BatScot]

the tdk suit is also made of nylon, fiberglass and a few other things in addition to the rubberWhich is missing the point completely.

[MasterOgami]

In the context of the movie? No, it's not rubber.


In real life? Yes, it's rubber.

Eeeesh, I know that :)

What I was getting at is that the new suit -isn't- "a rubber suit" like we've always known and shouldn't simply be lumped into that category; its a nylon undersuit with attached rubber and fiberglass (which are exactly the sort of things that fake movie armor -should- be made out of).

[CaptainClown]

Which is missing the point completely.

its easier for people, well me at least, to see something like TDK suit stopping a bullet rather then a nylon shirt stopping a bullet especially in the world developed in the Nolan Series.

[Porygon]

its easier for people, well me at least, to see something like TDK suit stopping a bullet rather then a nylon shirt stopping a bullet especially in the world developed in the Nolan Series.
Why is it that every other action hero can get away with just not getting hit by bullets, and Batman can't?

[Nepenthes]

because he's realistic, duh. gritty and that

[Silver Knight]

So once and for all.

Is there gray on the new costume?

[Nepenthes]

It kinda looks grey to me. Except thing is there's no differentiation between the suit and the cowl, boots, gloves and trunks like there's supposed to be. Without duotone I don't think it's so much grey as it is a 'shiny black', if that makes sense.

[dark_b]

So once and for all.

Is there gray on the new costume?in the shadows the suti looks pitch black. under strong lights it will look grey because of the specular(shiny material).

so like in BB :)

[Silver Knight]

But the costume is all black. Correct?

[Nepenthes]

the cape is black. the costume is greyish-black

[Silver Knight]

the cape is black. the costume is greyish-black
You have just made me even more confused.

[Darkness Falls]

Well since that pic on the other page hasn't gotten deleted yet I guess this is ok. I adjusted the lighting on the pic to show how the suit will look in the final product. It takes some of the blue out of the armor plates and just looks a lot better overall to me.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg

so it's blackish grey
but in the right light its grey :huh:

[Nivek]

As it has been noted time and time again, most REAL body armor is actually cloth based, what they are doing continues to be 100% fantasy. They might as well have him wear a cloth suit that does the same thing instead of silly rigid body armor if we are in the land of make believe.

This suit doesn't look too bad, but it's not in any direction I wanted to go, in some ways it's worse than the foam rubber leotard.

[Nivek]

the cape is black. the costume is greyish-black


Guys, it's painted with a Graphite base. Thats what they used in BB as well. So, literally, it's Grey.

[Mr. Socko]

But on film, it will look black.

If "comic grey" is what anyone is hoping for, too bad.

[CaptainClown]

Why is it that every other action hero can get away with just not getting hit by bullets, and Batman can't?

because frankly he isn't that fast

[cryptic name]

Why is it that every other action hero can get away with just not getting hit by bullets, and Batman can't?

because most other action heroes don't design themselves suits specifically to go into battle with.

[GoogleMe94]

They should have got rid of the round yellow logo, always hated that.

i dont know about the comics, but in movies i loved the oval. in a way, i would hope one day they bring it back in movies. i like being able to SEE the symbol in all its glory, and yellow on black looks really good.

[MasterOgami]

As it has been noted time and time again, most REAL body armor is actually cloth based, what they are doing continues to be 100% fantasy. They might as well have him wear a cloth suit that does the same thing instead of silly rigid body armor if we are in the land of make believe.

This suit doesn't look too bad, but it's not in any direction I wanted to go, in some ways it's worse than the foam rubber leotard.

Most real body armor is also often worn with rigid steel, titanium, ceramic, or polyethylene plates. So while the batsuit might be fantasy, I don't think I'd call it 100%.

I know there's (here already or on the way) nano-silica whatsits, spider silk dohickeys, and so on, and there's certainly a good case for the use of these types of advanced armors in the batsuit, but they don't (not yet anyway) negate the fact that rigid armor exists and is used.

[Wams]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/robocop0904_639x800.jpg

Batman suit has become WAAAAAAAY to complicated...It's looking like this^
when he should have less and beating guys who wear all that crap.

[Wams]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/pouty_batman_1.jpg

That's how I feel about this movie at this point ^

[Wams]

I don't hate this suit.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/563992818_a426ba999c_b.jpg
But the new suit looks like a mess.

[cryptic name]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/pouty_batman_1.jpg

That's how I feel about this movie at this point ^

sucks to be you :csad:

[gwynplaine]

White lenses, yeah !

[Nightwing1977]

I don't hate this suit.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/563992818_a426ba999c_b.jpg
But the new suit looks like a mess.

Where that pic from?

[Darkness Falls]

I don't hate this suit.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/563992818_a426ba999c_b.jpg
But the new suit looks like a mess.

just out of curiousity
was that pic taken at warner bros movie world

[GoogleMe94]

i know the cloth cape is like the comics but there was something about the way the older leathery ones moved that i liked a bit better. i also thought they looked better aesthetically then the "blanket" cape.

[Americommando]

But the new suit looks like a mess.

That's a BIG 10-4. Where's the "Bat-Can Opener" on the thing? It looks like somebody in the costume department was trying to prove to someone that they were earning their paycheck by over doing it. By the looks of the pics that person should've been working overtime on The Joker cause that costume is a real joke.


JMO, but not that cool looking. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif Hope the story makes up for the look.

[Mercurius]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/robocop0904_639x800.jpg

Batman suit has become WAAAAAAAY to complicated...It's looking like this^
when he should have less and beating guys who wear all that crap.


That's true.

But all for the sake of - how do they call it? - ah, yes: "realism".

What a joke. A killing one. :joker:

[Milu]

I love the new suit :o .

[Juggernaut33]

I love the new suit :o .

Me too.

[Mercurius]

No problemo, boss. But fact is: it's busy. :o

[rashad]

I love the new suit.

[The Only Woj]

I like the new suit. But I hate the shoulders. They look like they have "handles". and I will kinda miss the current cowl's neck ... made him look like a creature.

[El Payaso]

I only dislike that the cape is always behind the shoulders ala Schumacher. Damn clasps. Other than that, I love.

[batlovescatDC]

I love the new suit! I can't wait to see the white lenses.

[MechaOrga]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.

Its waaaaaaay too busy.

1)The symbol is stupid(sorry for the word use, im tired). I like the symbol it self(its the one from the batsignal at the end of the first movie)but it should be across his whole chest not superman returns style:oldrazz:

2)It DOES look like Robocop/SDwat Gear

Which of course fits pefectly in Nolan's world. For that, i don't hate it.

I hate it because it does't scream 'scary Batman' like BB did(and i had problems with that suit too)

This Movie is going to be the most bad ass batman film to date....

I just don't think Burton, Schumacher, Nolan or Collora(dead end) really have nailed a live action bat suit yet:csad:

[Swordmaster]

My only complaint is the symbol, only because I love the on they used on the BB suit more. Otherwise, this is up there with the BR suit for my favorite Bat-suit.

[Conebone69]

I don't hate this suit.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/563992818_a426ba999c_b.jpg
But the new suit looks like a mess.
Sick! Thats looks so much like the BB suit. I want it

[El Payaso]

That is simply the exact same BB suit.

[Muziko]

The new suit has it's pros and cons. I like the mobility and sleekness of the suit, as well as the fact that he can turn his head with greater ease. I have to admit that it does look a bit too busy - and I'm totally NOT digging the new chest symbol. I absolutely loved the chest symbol in BB - they should have kept it for TDK - in fact, they should have kept the BB suit and made the alterations (sleeker look, flexible neck piece) for TDK. Oh well. As MechaOrga said - NO director of a live action Bat-film has nailed the suit on the head.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

That is simply the exact same BB suit.

Uh, no it isn't. That's a replica obviously. Look at the cloth sleeves and the utility belt for starters.

As far as the new suit, I am going to wait until I get a better look at it. But so far, it is waaay too busy. Also, the gauntlet fins are BENDING as they rest on his knees. And if they have baggy pants, it will be nothing short of a stupid decision. I do like the shoulder pads and the face mask.

I wish they would have it to where the cape would drape down, a'la BTA.

[Nightwing1977]

The new suit is quite cool. Sleeker & more armored. His suit need to be more armored with how crimes in Gotham is getting worse & Bat need to update his suit. And as for the chest symbol, they were trying to use it for BB but couldn't get it to work or something. But now they are able to use it for the new suit as we can see. And it cool it the same symbol as both BB & TDK logo. :)

[TheBat812]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.
I love it.

[Carnotaur3]

Why is it that every other action hero can get away with just not getting hit by bullets, and Batman can't?

Because Batman is an actual human being and not SUPERHUMAN.

[gwynplaine]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.
The suit is alright, it's the pose that sucks.

[Boom]

I really like this suit, because it's a step in the right direction when it comes to what kind of suit I would like to see.

PROS
-It's segmented rubber over a cloth-like material, allowing for easier flexibility/mobility and (hopefully) less bunching and creasing.
-Because the under-layer of the suit is a fabric, it should conform more closely to Bale's actual figure, rather than appearing bulky.
-The cowl being separate from the neck allows for a greater and easier range of motion. Also, the neck no longer looks disproportional to Bale's body.
-The cape clasps are gone.

CONS
-The legs are too busy-looking.
-The cowl is still sculpted in a way that gives Batman an egghead look at certain angles (i.e. the leaked picture of Batman approaching The Joker in the interrogation room).
-The cape still doesn't allow for full covering of the body.
-I'm not too keen on the gauntlet scallops being projectile.

Overall, though, I personally consider this suit an improvement over the one in Batman Begins, both practically and aesthetically. The only two areas that I can really gripe about are the cowl and the legs, but I can stomach them easily enough.

[Puddin]

Call me Mr Ambivalent, as I have mixed feelings about this new suit. As I pointed out before, I think it bares resemblance to the Batman Beyond suit (particularly in the shot with Bruce and Alred standing in front of the empty suit minus cape) but that's not good or bad, just an observation. Like many of the rest of you, the smaller bat symbol is a con for me. I've not got a definite opinion of this suit yet, as it looks amazing in some shots and not so hot in others. Example: I think it looks fantastic in the photo of Batman standing on the police car, but in many of the leaked photos it kind of turns me off (but then again, I'm not even really sure if it's fair to judge it by the leaked photos). I'm in love with the Begins suit, I just hope this ends up looking just as cool on screen come next summer.

[Hole Shot]

I really like the whole idea behind the suit, I just wish it was more, I guess ...subtle?

I still have hopes that it will look real good in context. I remember not being to stoked on the Begins suit when I saw the photos during production.

[Boom]

Considering that the leaked pictures were production stills, and haven't been edited/touched up in post production yet, I'm hoping that the suit looks better in those scenes in the final product.

[Puddin]

Considering that the leaked pictures were production stills, and haven't been edited/touched up in post production yet, I'm hoping that the suit looks better in those scenes in the final product.

Exactly what I was getting at when I referenced the leaked photos. Thank you for helping me to elaborate.

[Conebone69]

Well the new suit is gonna look better on screen. So, thats all that matters :word:

[synecu]

If the greyish look doesn't work they can revert to the traditional look. One appearance isn't going to hurt the franchaise

[not_a_victim]

Does anyone know if this is being shot digitally or not? The only reason i ask here is it could make a huge difference on the final appearance of the costume. Would digital not show way more detail than regular film?

[Crook]

Film actually shows more detail than digital. Big reason why digital filmmaking hasn't reached huge ground in Hollywood just yet.

[TheBat812]

Does anyone know if this is being shot digitally or not? The only reason i ask here is it could make a huge difference on the final appearance of the costume. Would digital not show way more detail than regular film?
It's shot on film, both 35mm and Imax.

[synecu]

I'll put this into the filming news too. They are using Panavision cameras for the 35mm as that has guaranteed results. Digital filming still suffers problems with resolution even at professional level. There are stills showing them using an IMAX camera

[Shoemeister]

Sorry...This suit sucks.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/192/tdk10altzt1.jpg
Period.

Naaaah. It's good.

[gwynplaine]

It's black, it vaguely ressembles a bat, it's fine.

[jimmy]

HAHA! I've made someone cry!

[Enriquespy]

It's black, it vaguely ressembles a bat, it's fine.

I like it too, just tougth it would be nice if it had a more "creature" look on it...

[dark_b]

The suit is alright, it's the pose that sucks.
its a standard batman pose. its the badass pose :dry:

[CaptainClown]

I don't like the pants in that shot and wish the cape covered his suit more.

[dark_b]

i dare to bet that in the movie we WOnt notice it.

[CaptainClown]

well we probably won't see that shot in the movie

[dark_b]

well we probably won't see that shot in the moviewhy?
i dont think tha tthis was a test shot. it looks to me that since there is a orange light in the background that this will be a sunset scene

[Juggernaut33]

I don't like the pants in that shot and wish the cape covered his suit more.

Don't worry, it will be lightened in a proper way. Remember that these are set pics and they DO NOT reflect the way the film is gonna be. I mean compare the leaked pics Joker to the official WSS Joker: he is just infinitely better on the WSS pic and this is exactly the way we are going to see it in the movie.

[CaptainClown]

drink a little?

I think that it is going to be on the editing floor or be changed (turned into a night time shot)so we won't recognize it

[CaptainClown]

Don't worry, it will be lightened in a proper way. Remember that these are set pics and they DO NOT reflect the way the film is gonna be. I mean compare the leaked pics Joker to the official WSS Joker: he is just infinitely better on the WSS pic and this is exactly the way we are going to see it in the movie.

oh i know, i am just pointing out what I don't like about the picture. I saw BB again and you really barely ever see the suit which is probably what this is going to be like.

[Juggernaut33]

why?
i dont think tha tthis was a test shot. it looks to me that since there is a orange light in the background that this will be a sunset scene

That pic was photoshoped.

[gwynplaine]

I like it too, just tougth it would be nice if it had a more "creature" look on it...

Like your avvy ? Cool one by the way.

[gwynplaine]

its a standard batman pose. its the badass pose :dry:
Maybe it's the lighting .

[Nivek]

Most real body armor is also often worn with rigid steel, titanium, ceramic, or polyethylene plates. So while the batsuit might be fantasy, I don't think I'd call it 100%.

I know there's (here already or on the way) nano-silica whatsits, spider silk dohickeys, and so on, and there's certainly a good case for the use of these types of advanced armors in the batsuit, but they don't (not yet anyway) negate the fact that rigid armor exists and is used.


...here we go...

Rigid armor is being phased out by flexible, stronger and more shock absorbent materials. Hell, I just seen a textile of a material where I work (a silicone rubber and industrial plastics supplier) that looked and almost felt like a thicker cotton fabric. But it was a Silica-carbon material that is being prototyped for motorcycle riders protective clothes. Supposedly, it will let you slide across pavement and prevent road rash because the material cannot be torn or punctured unless you have special tools. It wasn't anything bulky or rigid. It was just an unassuming fabric, but something I couldn't help think "Now thats the material Batman would wear". Not some rubber looking suit, or bulky dirt bike gear.

But hey, I'm from the camp that thinks Batman doesn't need a fancy crime fighting armor. He has all the skills, he doesn't need all this protective gear slowing him down.

[king Nav]

tdk's suit is the best so far no doubt

[gwynplaine]

There should be hairs on the suit and a snout on the mask.

[Nightwing1977]

But hey, I'm from the camp that thinks Batman doesn't need a fancy crime fighting armor. He has all the skills, he doesn't need all this protective gear slowing him down.



We won't see the suit slow him down in the movie. One has to suspend their belief on that. ;)

[gwynplaine]

Somebody should make a thread about the Joker suit (and the other Joker clothing in general). It's so awesome. The perfect shade of purple IMO. And I won't even talk about the socks.

I also love how he wears a black shirt with white suspenders, the reverse of Alex in Clockwork (mentionned by Heath as an influence, God Bless him).
I wonder if the cane rumour has any truth to it.

[not_a_victim]

I still say we need to wait to see what it is going o look like on screen to pass FINAL judgment. Remember how everyone said the BB suit was puffy, the belt didn't look right with the suit material, etc?
Once on the screen in motion, it wasn't noticable.
It seems this movie will have a motorcycle theme in it. We have seen the pics of Bale with the red motorcycle, and I assume they are in the movie, not behind the scenes shots of Bale coming to and from work, and with that "pod" thing that comes out of the Tumbler, etc. The suit kinda resembles sport riding leathers.

[BatScot]

We won't see the suit slow him down in the movie. One has to suspend their belief on that. ;)Or they could make a non-rubbery suit that actually looks light and we could suspend our belief on that!

[Crook]

I still say we need to wait to see what it is going o look like on screen to pass FINAL judgment. Remember how everyone said the BB suit was puffy, the belt didn't look right with the suit material, etc?
Once on the screen in motion, it wasn't noticable.
Lol. Yes it was. Maybe not as noticeable as when we were looking at the pictures, but you could definitely still see the flaws in the actual film.

[The Dark Guybrush]

Lol. Yes it was. Maybe not as noticeable as when we were looking at the pictures, but you could definitely still see the flaws in the actual film.

i'm quoting this for truth, absolutely.
batman exhibited some seriously stiff movements in several scenes of the film, which (to me) should not have been there. batman should be lithe and agile..

[not_a_victim]

i'm quoting this for truth, absolutely.
batman exhibited some seriously stiff movements in several scenes of the film, which (to me) should not have been there. batman should be lithe and agile..


Well, yes, I guess I should have said it wasn't AS noticable.
Sorry.

[shapeshifter]

Or they could make a non-rubbery suit that actually looks light and we could suspend our belief on that!

think of him as master chief.
he needs a certain level of armor no matter how badass he is under it all

[Puddin]

think of him as master chief.
he needs a certain level of armor no matter how badass he is under it all

Batman > Master Chief any day of the week, although I understand what you're getting at.

[Crook]

think of him as master chief.
he needs a certain level of armor no matter how badass he is under it all
Terrible comparison. Their levels of combat are no where near each other. Batman relies much more on his agility rather than armor.

[Citadel30]

i just watched BB last night for the first time in High Definition 1080P and it was like I was watching the movie for the first time all over again. the fight scenes were awesome and you can see all the moves taking place and the punches and kicks being thrown. If you haven't seen it in HD yet- i HIGHLY recommend it.

[Citadel30]

dude- why are my post counts a 100 post less than they were yesterday??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[SalaciousVC]

One question,how big is the bat going to be on this suit??,the leaked pics make it look small

[BatScot]

think of him as master chief.
he needs a certain level of armor no matter how badass he is under it allThe use of advanced lightweight non-bulky materials does not negate the possibility of Batman being armored and I did not suggest—nor have I ever suggested—that Batman not be armored. Batman should be armored, but he does not need to be seen or even thought of as being armored.

[Nightwing1977]

i just watched BB last night for the first time in High Definition 1080P and it was like I was watching the movie for the first time all over again. the fight scenes were awesome and you can see all the moves taking place and the punches and kicks being thrown. If you haven't seen it in HD yet- i HIGHLY recommend it.

Cool. My brother have a HD tv, so I'll give that a try. Thanks for recommending that. :up:

[Citadel30]

No Prob- I was captivated!!! My wife even sat down and watched it with me- and she hates watching movies more than once.

[Americommando]

Whatever illusion of fluid motion is created on film in the final product, the cowl still looks juanty along contours at profile and reminds me of the way Adam West's costume looked in profile on the old TV show. And that distracts me.

And shouldn't somebody have caught a clue about shrinking a superhero's chest emblem from SR?

If everybody's feeling good about the look, that's great - I'm just speaking for my eye. It just doesn't look right. Like it could've been better.

[The Dark Guybrush]

juanty??

[Americommando]

juanty??


The design causes odd looking angles from the shoulders, up the nape of the neck to the back of the head. It also makes for the "Egghead" look some others were talking about.

It just doesn't look cool to me and that isn't a distraction that the filtering, tinting or other stuff is going to change. It looks funny to me.

I understand that you couldn't see well in the other cowl, and there were arguments about the way it looked too, but I just wish they could have designed something that worked for mobility and didn't look so radically different and didn't involve making the chest emblem smaller. That looked bad in SR and it doesn't look better in the TDK stuff I've looked at.

[Porygon]

And shouldn't somebody have caught a clue about shrinking a superhero's chest emblem from SR?I did. It doesn't matter.

[BubbaGump]

i just watched BB last night for the first time in High Definition 1080P and it was like I was watching the movie for the first time all over again. the fight scenes were awesome and you can see all the moves taking place and the punches and kicks being thrown. If you haven't seen it in HD yet- i HIGHLY recommend it.

I concur. :up:

You're not a true fan until you've witnessed the BB HD experience! :cmad:

[Americommando]

I did. It doesn't matter.

I guess it doesn't matter, since that costume will be hanging in a closet someplace waiting years on a sequel to get made.

[Porygon]

I guess it doesn't matter, since that costume will be hanging in a closet someplace waiting years on a sequel to get made.Maybe, but the costume isn't the reason why that is so.

[lixdexia]

I concur. :up:

You're not a true fan until you've witnessed the BB HD experience! :cmad:
:csad:

[Super Kal]

I concur. :up:

You're not a true fan until you've witnessed the BB HD experience! :cmad:
I haven't had that chance yet :(

I look forward to it though

[CaptainClown]

i need an hd player =(

[BubbaGump]

The blacks actually look black (and no, I'm not referring to the Nice Coat guy).

Wow...that was uncalled for. :csad:

But anyway...see BB in HD. :ninja:

[SalaciousVC]

One question,how big is the bat going to be on this suit??,the leaked pics make it look small
anybody?

[jimmy]

It's considerably smaller.

[Americommando]

Maybe, but the costume isn't the reason why that is so.

Maybe, maybe not. But it didn't help anything. And the type or line-of-thinking about the SM story that lead to making that change and feeling good about it has played a big part in that franchise's problems.

But it is an opinion thing. You seem to like this costume change, or at least not mind it. That's fine.

I don't like it.

[IamProdigy]

It's considerably smaller.

If you look at the leaked picture of Batman, it doesn't look much smaller than in BB.

But, imo, I missed Keaton's suit. The yellow oval with the black bat, it's the batsuit I know.

[Americommando]

...The yellow oval with the black bat, it's the batsuit I know...

That statement really makes an even bigger point. Whether the new suit appeals to your eye or not, it raises the question:

Why is it that everytime a director sets out to make a Batman movie, the suit, the car and stuff has to change? It's almost a given that everytime a sequel is announced, the discussion starts up about what will the suit look like, what will the car look like?

I've already thought of merchandising and toy sales, but that doesn't hold up. Sony's made three Spidey movies with only tiny, barely noticeable changes to his costume (until Venom in 3). And that franchise has made hundreds of millions on merchandising and toys. There are dozens of "Ice-Action" Spideys right next to the "Stealth Armor" Batman figures in stores - they're already selling variations without changing the character in the movie at all.

The need for adding a gadget here or there and sprucing up stuff is understood, but everytime Bats comes out of the cave for a new movie he's got to have more changes than a supermodel fashion show.

So, if a competitor can make the bucks on the lunchboxes and action figures and thousands of other items without big changes in the look, what's up?

Why is it that even when the director is the same from one movie to the next (having already established their "vision" of the franchise), they feel the need to play "Bat-Barbie DressUp" and change the look of such a comic icon?

[Wams]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Beginsart-9.jpg

[the_monk]

The blacks actually look black (and no, I'm not referring to the Nice Coat guy).

Wow...that was uncalled for. :csad:

But anyway...see BB in HD. :ninja:

Nice coat guy was white. Or was that not the joke you were implying?

[jimmy]

That statement really makes an even bigger point. Whether the new suit appeals to your eye or not, it raises the question:

Why is it that everytime a director sets out to make a Batman movie, the suit, the car and stuff has to change? It's almost a given that everytime a sequel is announced, the discussion starts up about what will the suit look like, what will the car look like?

I've already thought of merchandising and toy sales, but that doesn't hold up. Sony's made three Spidey movies with only tiny, barely noticeable changes to his costume (until Venom in 3). And that franchise has made hundreds of millions on merchandising and toys. There are dozens of "Ice-Action" Spideys right next to the "Stealth Armor" Batman figures in stores - they're already selling variations without changing the character in the movie at all.

The need for adding a gadget here or there and sprucing up stuff is understood, but everytime Bats comes out of the cave for a new movie he's got to have more changes than a supermodel fashion show.

So, if a competitor can make the bucks on the lunchboxes and action figures and thousands of other items without big changes in the look, what's up?

Why is it that even when the director is the same from one movie to the next (having already established their "vision" of the franchise), they feel the need to play "Bat-Barbie DressUp" and change the look of such a comic icon?

I think you're missing the point in TDK.

From what I've heard, Batman actually has very good reasons as to why he has to change his gear. It's not like Batman 89 and Batman Returns where the suit just changes. There is a reason why we get the new suit, and there is a reason why we get the Batpod. Batman isn't going to start the movie with all of this new stuff.

As the film progresses, things will happen that lead to new gear and new gadgets. Remember, TDK picks up right where BB left off.

[DarkSuperman]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Beginsart-9.jpg

Pretty cool looking. What is that from? :huh:

[El Payaso]

It's not like Batman 89 and Batman Returns where the suit just changes.

The original Batman suit was ****ed up after the Bat-wing crashed. That's a great reason to make more protective bat-suits. :up:

[Americommando]

I think you're missing the point in TDK.

From what I've heard, Batman actually has very good reasons as to why he has to change his gear. It's not like Batman 89 and Batman Returns where the suit just changes. There is a reason why we get the new suit, and there is a reason why we get the Batpod. Batman isn't going to start the movie with all of this new stuff.

As the film progresses, things will happen that lead to new gear and new gadgets. Remember, TDK picks up right where BB left off.


Okay, the changes are story driven this time around. It's still odd that the movie will uphold an odd and unexplained tradition almost twenty years old now (from Batman '89 to BR, BF, B&R to BB).

And it makes the question asked no less valid.