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MattXG
11-23-2007, 09:53 AM
No I don't think CG on his eyes would work either....
Still though, when he's Batman...there's not a lot of emotion that you couldn't tell from his mouth and tone.... He's usually only pissed or extremely concerned for someone.
I don't need to see his eyes to understand which of those emotions he has...
Mr. Socko
11-23-2007, 11:33 AM
All of this discussion of lenses. I wonder if they'll actually place them in the movie. It's not a bad decision IMO, I think it can be pulled off. It can look cool if used when necessary in a few scenes.
COMPO
11-23-2007, 01:19 PM
do we know why he chnages his suit? i know it gets damaged but, how?
Pfeiffer-Pfan
11-23-2007, 01:23 PM
[quote=MattXG;13311761] He's usually only pissed or extremely concerned for someone.[quote]
:woot: too true!!!
(plus i'd rather have the batman mask approach with no lenses... than go the sam raimi direction of taking the mask off every 5 seconds to get emotion)
Nightwing1977
11-23-2007, 02:52 PM
Count me in for not wanting CGI white lenses either. No thanks. :p
Comic Book Boy
11-23-2007, 03:28 PM
Count me in for not wanting CGI white lenses either. No thanks. :p
My name is reason and logic.
I agree.
Looks like the new Bat suit is taking some video game cues...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/297ee836.jpg
It works better for a video game character....:whatever:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/TDKSuit.jpg
:batman:
:supes:
rashad
11-24-2007, 11:57 PM
And it's awesome.
And it's awesome.
Just the girl is.:cwink:
CaptainClown
11-25-2007, 02:45 AM
well the guy loosk really stupid
I love the awkward body language in that pic. They're both not touching each other as much as possible.
CaptainClown
11-25-2007, 09:36 AM
I like how the eyes of the guy in the suit are NOT on the girl to his side
TheBatman072
11-25-2007, 09:38 AM
Just the girl is.:cwink:
So all you're going to do is troll from now on? Okay, good to know.
So all you're going to do is troll from now on? Okay, good to know.
What's it to you?
I haven't read anything enlightening from you.:whatever:
:batman:
:supes:
TheBat812
11-25-2007, 02:33 PM
Maybe so, but at least he's not annoying as ****.
Green Goblin 1964
11-25-2007, 03:09 PM
Maybe so, but at least he's not annoying as ****.
Quoted for Truth.:o
Maybe so, but at least he's not annoying as ****.
Yawn:whatever:
Maybe so, but at least he's not annoying as ****.
Dude has 1,170 posts in 6 years. Yeah, he's really bugging the s*** out of people. :whatever:
regwec
11-25-2007, 05:17 PM
Regardless, the girl is fairly smokin'.
itsthebatman
11-25-2007, 05:27 PM
Regardless, the girl is fairly smokin'.
Is that an Olde English phrase?
Puddin
11-25-2007, 05:28 PM
The Time Shift costume is just another generic FPS costume, I wouldn't really say the TDK suit took a page from it, although there are some very general similarities.
regwec
11-25-2007, 05:32 PM
Is that an Olde English phrase?
No, Olde Perve.
itsthebatman
11-25-2007, 05:35 PM
No, Olde Perve.
Once again, I bow to your superior knowledge of archaic languages. 'verily, I decree that this babe is smokin, and I do declare that I would tap that ass.'
regwec
11-25-2007, 05:38 PM
She is a moste bawdey wenc.
Dark Sentinel
11-25-2007, 05:53 PM
What's it to you?
I haven't read anything enlightening from you.:whatever:
:batman:
:supes:
zing
Nightwing1977
11-25-2007, 08:54 PM
Maybe so, but at least he's not annoying as ****.
Yep. Not to mention he doesn't keep on whining about hating the damn suit. ;)
Yep. Not to mention he doesn't keep on whining about hating the damn suit. ;)
Stating a fact ain't whining.:cwink:
Don't hate me for telling the truth...hate the suit beacuse...
Iit's weak.
P.S.... Im not complaining about the movie,the script,actors or director.
The suit is poorly concieved...Period.
The fans on this board alone came up with better concepts
than the so called pros.
:batman:
:supes:
CaptainClown
11-25-2007, 11:00 PM
... you complain a lot...
Nightwing1977
11-26-2007, 02:16 AM
Stating a fact ain't whining.:cwink:
Don't hate me for telling the truth...hate the suit beacuse...
Iit's weak.
Truth? You mean opinion. It's your opinion that it suck, not what is the truth.
The fans on this board alone came up with better concepts
than the so called pros.
Not really. Many of 'em look crap & look far worst than the Dead End costume. Not to mention some made the belt too big & giving him trunk. I can't help but laugh at someone wearing trunk on the outside if he suppose to strike fear in the heart of criminals. Ohhhh, I'm scare!!
Beside, none of you who think you can do better than the so called pros have a job doing costumes in Hollywood. So much for being better than the so called pros. ;)
And where is your concepts, hmm? :p
TheBatman072
11-26-2007, 04:17 AM
What's it to you?
I haven't read anything enlightening from you.:whatever:
:batman:
:supes:
This coming from someone like you.
I'm not in the least bit surprised.
Mr. Socko
11-26-2007, 10:27 AM
I can't help but laugh at someone wearing trunk on the outside if he suppose to strike fear in the heart of criminals. Ohhhh, I'm scare!!
Do you laugh at every one of those silly Batman comic books that this spectacle of a film is based on?
Do you laugh at every one of those silly Batman comic books that this spectacle of a film is based on?
What's a comic book?
This coming from someone like you.
I'm not in the least bit surprised.
And what does that mean.."A guy like you."?
If you are saying a guy like me who has a life and is
handsome,intelligent and has a big o d!ck that you are envious of and inferior to..
then you are quite right.:cwink:
Truth? You mean opinion. It's your opinion that it suck, not what is the truth.
Not really. Many of 'em look crap & look far worst than the Dead End costume. Not to mention some made the belt too big & giving him trunk. I can't help but laugh at someone wearing trunk on the outside if he suppose to strike fear in the heart of criminals. Ohhhh, I'm scare!!
Beside, none of you who think you can do better than the so called pros have a job doing costumes in Hollywood. So much for being better than the so called pros. ;)
And where is your concepts, hmm? :p
Do yourself a favor....Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh....:cwink:
TheBatman072
11-26-2007, 01:24 PM
And what does that mean.."A guy like you."?
If you are saying a guy like me who has a life and is
handsome,intelligent and has a big o d!ck that you are envious of and inferior to..
then you are quite right.:cwink:
You forgot "rich and has a hundred hot girls' numbers in his phone."
... you complain a lot...
Mmmmmm...Not really.
:word:
:supes:
You forgot "rich and has a hundred hot girls' numbers in his phone."
I don't have to put all my business out in this thread do I?:word:
metalhead971
11-26-2007, 01:30 PM
Stating a fact ain't whining.:cwink:
Don't hate me for telling the truth...hate the suit beacuse...
Iit's weak.
P.S.... Im not complaining about the movie,the script,actors or director.
The suit is poorly concieved...Period.
The fans on this board alone came up with better concepts
than the so called pros.
:batman:
:supes:
Then don't go see the movie. I'm sure we'll be better off there without you.
TheBatman072
11-26-2007, 01:31 PM
I don't have to put all my business out in this thread do I?:word:
Please stop. You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself and annoying everybody else.
Nobody cares that you don't like the new suit. Nobody's sitting up at night, sweating, saying over and over again, "What does Wams think...what does Wams think...what does Wams think...?" Nobody does that.
The only reason you visit this board and this thread is to let other people who liked the suit that you still hate it, and then when someone tries to disagree with you, you go childish and stupid and insult them.
You're a troll. Nothing more, nothing less. And you are pathetic.
And now I'm done with you.
Please stop. You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself and annoying everybody else.
Nobody cares that you don't like the new suit. Nobody's sitting up at night, sweating, saying over and over again, "What does Wams think...what does Wams think...what does Wams think...?" Nobody does that.
The only reason you visit this board and this thread is to let other people who liked the suit that you still hate it, and then when someone tries to disagree with you, you go childish and stupid and insult them.
You're a troll. Nothing more, nothing less. And you are pathetic.
And now I'm done with you.
Awww...Now Im sad because YOU "TheBatman072" are so called.."Done with me"....Boo Hoo!!!:csad:
Whatever should I do now?:whatever:
You are funny..
Write something else funny so I can laugh some more Pleeeeeeeeeease.:woot:
Then don't go see the movie. I'm sure we'll be better off there without you.
What is this "we" stuff?
Did is say I didn't like the movie?
No.
I said "I don't like the suit"...It IS a bad and poorly conceived design...
Hence the title of the thread "Batsuit Discussion Thread".
I discussed the suit with people here and Im disgusted buy the look.
It ain't Bat's to me.
It's not a final verdict on the end product....Frankie said "relax".:cwink:
CaptainClown
11-26-2007, 02:06 PM
soo can i drive to burbank and slap you for being a moron?
soo can i drive to burbank and slap you for being a moron?
U can sure try.:cwink:
Nightwing1977
11-26-2007, 03:04 PM
Do you laugh at every one of those silly Batman comic books that this spectacle of a film is based on?
Not really. But I would laugh if it was used in real life. With comic books, they are pure fantasy & can get away with anything (well some). But in real life, you can't get away with using it. Unless you want many to laugh at Batman wearing trunk in the films. I know I would. :D :D
Nightwing1977
11-26-2007, 03:05 PM
Do yourself a favor....Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh....:cwink:
I will Shhhhhhhhhhhh when you stop complaining. Otherwise, make me. ;)
And where is your concepts? You also claim many here can do better than the so-called Hollywood pros. I'm waiting.......
I will Shhhhhhhhhhhh when you stop complaining. Otherwise, make me. ;)
And where is your concepts? You also claim many here can do better than the so-called Hollywood pros. I'm waiting.......
Although a smart person could see on the very first page is plenty
of stuff of mine.
I wouldn't expect you to check before you type.:whatever:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Batman-smooth-gif-medium.gif
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
:batman:
:supes:
MasterOgami
11-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Although a smart person could see on the very first page is plenty
of stuff of mine.
I wouldn't expect you to check before you type.:whatever:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Batman-smooth-gif-medium.gif
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
:batman:
:supes:
Looks a bit like the BB suit, but with (no offense) a more cumbersome belt and cartoonish cowl. A mask like that's great in the comics, but live-actionized....I'm flashing back to Clooney's oversized ears.
Slap the BB or TDK belt and cowl on there and I'm sold, since it'd more or less be the BB design.
And nice art on the 1st page, though I have some issues with the colors. I hope the "anime" version looks as sharp.
count_nickula
11-26-2007, 06:17 PM
So i've just been reading this last page, I dont really post that often, but I felt the need to.
That other guy said he'd drive to Burbank and slap Wams, If he were in Melbourne I'd do worse than that, mate.
I really dig the suit.
GoogleMe94
11-26-2007, 07:09 PM
clooney had oversized ears? they looked normal to me. one thing im kinda glad about with the new batsuit is the enlarged ears. i HATED the mouse ears of the begins suit, i like tall menacing ears on batman.
CaptainClown
11-26-2007, 07:10 PM
So i've just been reading this last page, I dont really post that often, but I felt the need to.
That other guy said he'd drive to Burbank and slap Wams, If he were in Melbourne I'd do worse than that, mate.
I really dig the suit.:up:
Giant-Man
11-26-2007, 08:20 PM
cool pic :up:
MasterOgami
11-26-2007, 09:26 PM
clooney had oversized ears? they looked normal to me. one thing im kinda glad about with the new batsuit is the enlarged ears. i HATED the mouse ears of the begins suit, i like tall menacing ears on batman.
Have the ears really changed much on new cowl? From looking at the leaked-banned photos, it doesn't seem like it to me. Especially in the shot of the suit standing in the case.
Clooney's cowl* was sculpted so that, IMO, it made it look as though the ears were basically jutting forth from the neck, with the face just kinda sitting there, resting in between them. Its not as bad from the front as it is from like a 3/4 profile, where I feel it weakens the appearance of a jawline. To me, they were just a bit overblown.
*Come to think of it/look at it, Kilmer's cowl was the same way. The Forever one-sheet is a halfway decent example of it.
So i've just been reading this last page, I dont really post that often, but I felt the need to.
That other guy said he'd drive to Burbank and slap Wams, If he were in Melbourne I'd do worse than that, mate.
I really dig the suit.
Huh?
Antonello Blueberry
11-27-2007, 02:43 PM
Huh?
Don't worry. They're jealous...
I will Shhhhhhhhhhhh when you stop complaining. Otherwise, make me. ;)
And where is your concepts? You also claim many here can do better than the so-called Hollywood pros. I'm waiting.......
Sorry but with all due respect it wouldn't be hard at all to put out a better Bat suit than "Scooba suit" Hollywood is so stuck on. Spiderman proved eyecandy is needed but even though BB was a very good movie it lacked the eyecandy of a badass looking Batman that actually looks like Batman and not a scooba diver with Dog ears.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batsuit.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batposter.jpg
The Guard
11-27-2007, 08:34 PM
That just...it just looks ridiculous. I mean it looks kinda classic, but it has that inherent aspect of "cheese" to it, simply because it is based on the classic look.
CRIMINAL
Aiee, a giant bat! Wait a minute...why the gray and black color scheme?
BATMAN
Basic color coordination. You know, like Superman has.
CRIMINAL
Who?
And so on.
Nivek
11-27-2007, 08:43 PM
It's all about the texture of the material the costume is made of, and theres only been a few that have tried to go there. Smooth rubber looks silly when it's flat grey, it needs some microtextile multi-colored teeth to it like the Spidey and SR costumes.
The Guard
11-27-2007, 08:45 PM
It will still look ridiculous when considering the context of the suit. There's no reason for someone like Batman to color coordinate like that. Even in the comics I can't understand why he looks that way, except for the traditional aspect of the costume. Which I understand.
CaptainClown
11-27-2007, 08:46 PM
ya, I don't like that look of Batman. TDK and BB did it fine imo.
Nivek
11-27-2007, 08:51 PM
It will still look ridiculous when considering the context of the suit. There's no reason for someone like Batman to color coordinate like that. Even in the comics I can't understand why he looks that way, except for the traditional aspect of the costume. Which I understand.
As has been discussed many in the past, Batman is exactly the type of guy who is going to know black and grey is better urban camouflage than just Black. And I'm not talking sharp tribal/BDU contrasts, I'm talking about a material that absorbs light and blends into concrete and shadows, but isnt cumbersome and overprotective. He's making a functional urban assault costume thats comfortable, warm, lightweight, yet carries his weapons and well placed armor. He's not Stealth Iron Man with a Glider.
roach
11-27-2007, 08:53 PM
As has been discussed many in the past, and Batman is exactly the type of guy who is going to know black and grey is better urban camouflage than just Black. and I'm not talking sharp tribal/BDU contrasts, I'm talking about a material that absorbs light and blends into concrete and shadows, but isnt cumbersome and overprotective.
Black isnt going to camoflage anything in a city....you need to break up the shape...which is why urban cammies are black and grey
Mr. Socko
11-27-2007, 09:30 PM
It will still look ridiculous when considering the context of the suit. There's no reason for someone like Batman to color coordinate like that. Even in the comics I can't understand why he looks that way, except for the traditional aspect of the costume. Which I understand.
That's the only reason you'll ever need TG, the only reason you'll ever need...
roach
11-27-2007, 10:52 PM
That's the only reason you'll ever need TG, the only reason you'll ever need...
Mr. Socko for the win:woot:
Hole Shot
11-28-2007, 12:32 AM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batsuit.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batposter.jpg
See this always happens. One of these pro-batpanties grey guys comes in here to tell us how awesome Batman would look in grey and then gives us stuff like this or that tool at the comic con in his bat glitter taking pictures with the cross eyed kid.
Hole Shot
11-28-2007, 12:41 AM
Black isnt going to camoflage anything in a city....you need to break up the shape...which is why urban cammies are black and grey
Batman isn't infantry.
roach
11-28-2007, 12:50 AM
Batman isn't infantry.
still applies
MasterOgami
11-28-2007, 03:56 AM
If a gray and black batsuit were actually intended to be "urban camouflage", the cape would need sections of gray wouldn't it? Otherwise, if you're going to have such a massive, unbroken amount of black, why not just make the whole suit that way?
If I were Batman, I'd rather be black on black in an effort to disguise my arms and legs inside the cape, as opposed to having (even just slightly more) visible appendages. Its the difference between "What's that black mass!?!" and "What's that..gray man in a black cape."
cjhill_14
11-28-2007, 04:41 AM
[
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Batman-smooth-gif-medium.gif
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
:batman:
:supes:[/quote]Cool,great work,I have a request could you draw some of Batman's villains and supporting cast thank's.
ChickenScratch
11-28-2007, 09:48 AM
Those pictures just prove that a gray suit in the movie would look ridiculous. And yes, to the gentleman above about the cape being the same color of the body to help hide the human form. The human eye is very sensitive to the human form, even when mostly hidden and obscure. The cape serves to not let that happen. If he kneels down he's not a guy kneeling down, he's a rock, or a large garbage back or something that's far enough from the human form that people don't give it a second look.
NoName86
11-28-2007, 09:52 AM
Sorry but with all due respect it wouldn't be hard at all to put out a better Bat suit than "Scooba suit" Hollywood is so stuck on. Spiderman proved eyecandy is needed but even though BB was a very good movie it lacked the eyecandy of a badass looking Batman that actually looks like Batman and not a scooba diver with Dog ears.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batsuit.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batposter.jpg
I don't know which look is worse, Bats or Joker.
Matthew Allison
11-28-2007, 10:24 AM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/matthewallison/bb20copy_2.jpg
Mr. Socko
11-28-2007, 10:28 AM
Those pictures just prove that a gray suit in the movie would look ridiculous. And yes, to the gentleman above about the cape being the same color of the body to help hide the human form. The human eye is very sensitive to the human form, even when mostly hidden and obscure. The cape serves to not let that happen. If he kneels down he's not a guy kneeling down, he's a rock, or a large garbage back or something that's far enough from the human form that people don't give it a second look.
You're using manipped pictures that looked like they were put together in 5 minutes using Microsoft paint, to justify that a grey suit should not be used in the movie? Very smart.
http://www.costumesales.co.uk/images/Batman.jpg
And I guess this proves an all black suit would never work! Right. . . .right?
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/matthewallison/bb20copy_2.jpg
That's pretty cool but a gray that light wouldn't work. The gray should be a lot closer in tone to the black.
Brian Braddock
11-28-2007, 10:59 AM
.
http://www.costumesales.co.uk/images/Batman.jpg
That cowl looks like its got rabbit ears on it. :woot:
Matthew Allison
11-28-2007, 11:04 AM
That's pretty cool but a gray that light wouldn't work. The gray should be a lot closer in tone to the black.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/matthewallison/bb20copy_3.jpg
Yeah, that looks a whole lot better to me. For me, it's more about contrasting textures than the actual colors they use. I hate how smooth the Begins suit is. Adding tech lines doesn't really suffice for me.
Octoberist
11-28-2007, 11:24 AM
Yeah, that looks a whole lot better to me. For me, it's more about contrasting textures than the actual colors they use. I hate how smooth the Begins suit is. Adding tech lines doesn't really suffice for me.
I think the Begins suit looks good....in certain shots, but sometimes, the cowl looks too big in one shot..then Bale's face is drooping out in another. Stuff like that prevents me from loving it.
Nivek
11-28-2007, 11:41 AM
If a gray and black batsuit were actually intended to be "urban camouflage", the cape would need sections of gray wouldn't it? Otherwise, if you're going to have such a massive, unbroken amount of black, why not just make the whole suit that way? .
No, because you have a solid dark shape to shoot at. And typically the cape (and cowl, gloves, and boots) have been depicted as being made of a material that refracts light (hense the blue highlights in the comics that have been misinterpited), so it doesn't need to be mixed with any other colors since it has slight reflective qualities.
If I were Batman, I'd rather be black on black in an effort to disguise my arms and legs inside the cape, as opposed to having (even just slightly more) visible appendages. Its the difference between "What's that black mass!?!" and "What's that..gray man in a black cape."
Batman should be all cape, the only time you see the bodysuit is when he is about to hit you. The guy is supposed to be fast, stealthy, and agile. Not stand there like a Lig saying "Ha ha ha!!!Shoot me, I'm armored".
Thats why not to many people minded the Begins suit, it was covered by the cape most of the time. i just didnt like the cape/cowl were not the same material.
jimmy
11-28-2007, 11:47 AM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/matthewallison/bb20copy_2.jpg
That's pretty gay. The cape looks like a black Hefty garbage bag, and the gloves look like two heaps of hot leather for sexual bondage. This is Batman; this isn't bondage man. And look at those boobs! Are those DD's? Did Batman get breast augmentation? And why are those pouches on his belt so huge? It's like a retard needs to open then, so they have to make them all big and play-skool size. As a matter of plain fact, I think I saw this exact same Fisher Price tool belt in the kiddie isle at Toys 'R' Us while I was Christmas shopping for my little brother. I hate to tell you, but this is just gay beyond San Francisco and West Hollywood combined.
Nivek
11-28-2007, 11:55 AM
That's pretty gay. The cape looks like a black Hefty garbage bag, and the gloves look like two heaps of hot leather for sexual bondage. This is Batman; this isn't bondage man. And look at those boobs! Are those DD's? Did Batman get breast augmentation? And why are those pouches on his belt so huge? It's like a retard needs to open then, so they have to make them all big and play-skool size. As a matter of plain fact, I think I saw this exact same Fisher Price tool belt in the kiddie isle at Toys 'R' Us while I was Christmas shopping for my little brother. I hate to tell you, but this is just gay beyond San Francisco and West Hollywood combined.
Jesus, if your going to discuss the costume, have some valid critisims. This is just a list of your hang ups and petty insults. F'ing loser... :whatever:
jimmy
11-28-2007, 11:57 AM
Yeah, and what? Wanna get raped, son?
Nivek
11-28-2007, 12:03 PM
Classy responce...
jimmy
11-28-2007, 12:11 PM
OK! FINE! You got me!
That costume looks totally, totally, totally rad d00ds! I remember back in Detective comics 582 Annual #15 comicon Issue no. Zero when Batman wore the exact same thing! THAT is Batman. I hate how ever director has to use black rubber when Batman always has worn GREY and BLUE! We all know Blue is symbolic of BLACK but, COME ON! COME ON!! GET with the program Nolan! Get with the times! This isn't 2007! It's 1937, baby! Are you making Batman, or Blackman? Tim Burton did better! I hate how fanbois praise Nolan. If Burton tried anything like this you guys would slowly castrate him! It's just not fair! So what if Edward Scissor Hands, Batman Returns, The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Charlie And The Chocolate Factory are all the same movie? So what! That's Tim Burton! Tim Burton truly captured the essence of Batman! He stayed faithful to the Miller ear and late 70's ear Batman comics! Why can't Nolan do the same? Why does Nolan have to ground his Batman In reality? HELLO! This is a fantasy movie! It's not like Batman is real! So why can't Nolan just give him Grey spandex? It isn't like liquid kevlar is old technology!
Take a few days off to cool down, Jimmy.
Also, Nivek, lay off the insults please. If he does something this displeases you, report the post. Insulting him only results in escalating the situation.
Batman
11-28-2007, 12:26 PM
Ease up on the 'gay' comments, jimmy. We don't tolerate that here, even in jest.
This forum has become very strange the last few days.
Matthew Allison
11-28-2007, 03:03 PM
That's pretty gay. The cape looks like a black Hefty garbage bag, and the gloves look like two heaps of hot leather for sexual bondage. This is Batman; this isn't bondage man. And look at those boobs! Are those DD's? Did Batman get breast augmentation? And why are those pouches on his belt so huge? It's like a retard needs to open then, so they have to make them all big and play-skool size. As a matter of plain fact, I think I saw this exact same Fisher Price tool belt in the kiddie isle at Toys 'R' Us while I was Christmas shopping for my little brother. I hate to tell you, but this is just gay beyond San Francisco and West Hollywood combined.
And with that I'll say goodbye. This forum is a joke.
Mr. Socko
11-28-2007, 03:07 PM
I originally didn't like the TDK suit nor the idea of the cowl not being an attachment to the body suit, but now I think they're fine ideas and look very nice so far. I'm not the biggest fan of the rubber suit, yes, I won't rest until Batman is wearing a grey suit and black trunks on film. But if they're going to use rubber, I far prefer the industrial, almost high-tech look. I never liked the 6-pac and chest piece used in the previous movies sans Batman Returns.
So overall I'm really liking the suit. I only have two complaints; the bat-symbol is quite small and and cowl is pretty much the same as before, but at least it's more stream-lined. The segmented pieces of the suit are going to look fantastic I'm sure.
http://www.toxicshock.tv/news/wp-content/uploads/dark_knight_pic1.jpg
Mr. Socko
11-28-2007, 03:10 PM
And with that I'll say goodbye. This forum is a joke.
Don't let one user ruin the Hype for you. Sometimes Jimmy acts like an idiot but he actually can be a decent poster but I do get tired of his stupid talk. The mod's have done something about it, so hopefully he'll have stopped by the time he's back.
Nivek
11-28-2007, 03:12 PM
Also, Nivek, lay off the insults please. If he does something this displeases you, report the post. Insulting him only results in escalating the situation.
Your a mod now?:wow:
Greeeat..., my days are numbered... :dry:
Congrats Matt :woot:
itsthebatman
11-28-2007, 03:32 PM
Is Jimmy the former Jimmy Rhoads? What happened to him? He went real weird all of a sudden.
Mr. Socko
11-28-2007, 03:51 PM
Is Jimmy the former Jimmy Rhoads? What happened to him? He went real weird all of a sudden.
Jimmy has usually always been like that.
Shoemeister
11-28-2007, 04:55 PM
Lawlz... this all made for a good laugh. See ya when you get back, Jimmy.
The Guard
11-28-2007, 07:00 PM
As has been discussed many in the past, Batman is exactly the type of guy who is going to know black and grey is better urban camouflage than just Black.
Heard it all before. Having played night paintball with people wearing both black and gray (guess which one was harder to see) I believe it to be bunk.
I will believe this "Black and gray makes better camoflague" is true when I see a picture of two men standing side by side in the distance, one wearing an all black Batsuit, and one wearing a gray and black one, and you can make out the one in the gray less than the one in the black.
The Batman's not hiding in gray and black bushes, he's hiding in shadows, and when he is seen, he'd want to look as intimidating as possible. And he is a character who will be seen, albeit briefly, and while he's about to kick your ass.
And I'm not talking sharp tribal/BDU contrasts, I'm talking about a material that absorbs light and blends into concrete and shadows, but isnt cumbersome and overprotective. He's making a functional urban assault costume thats comfortable, warm, lightweight, yet carries his weapons and well placed armor. He's not Stealth Iron Man with a Glider.
Why can't that light-absorbing material be black?
If a gray and black batsuit were actually intended to be "urban camouflage", the cape would need sections of gray wouldn't it? Otherwise, if you're going to have such a massive, unbroken amount of black, why not just make the whole suit that way?
True.
If I were Batman, I'd rather be black on black in an effort to disguise my arms and legs inside the cape, as opposed to having (even just slightly more) visible appendages. Its the difference between "What's that black mass!?!" and "What's that..gray man in a black cape."
Exactly.
No, because you have a solid dark shape to shoot at.
As opposed to a solid gray and black shape? Or a mass of clearly visible gray due to the black cape?
And typically the cape (and cowl, gloves, and boots) have been depicted as being made of a material that refracts light (hense the blue highlights in the comics that have been misinterpited), so it doesn't need to be mixed with any other colors since it has slight reflective qualities.
Those blue highlights come from artists showing the cape or different elements of the costume having depth to them, the ripples in the cape, etc. That's not generally supposed to be the cape refracting light, though some versions have indicated that.
Saint
11-28-2007, 07:37 PM
Heard it all before. Having played night paintball with people wearing both black and gray (guess which one was harder to see) I believe it to be bunk.
It's not. Saying "It's better" may be an exaggeration--I doubt anyone here has information to back that up--but we've all seen the study indicating the effectiveness of grey urban camouflage, and we all know it's what the military uses (don't you htink they know what they're doing?).
The Batman's not hiding in gray and black bushes, he's hiding in shadows,
Everyone automatically assumes that black is better for hiding in shadows, which is understandable, but doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Shadow is the reduced presence of light, resulting in muted and darker versions of normal colour. A building in shadow does not become black, nor does an alley, a dumpster, a car, or anything else that is not already black. A grey car is still recognizable as being grey in the dark, and a grey building is still recognizable as being grey. You still also note that grey is the dominant building colour in any given city. A black figure standing against a grey building, shadow or not, will create contrast. Whether it's enough contrast to cause problems, I can't say, but it's obvious that a grey figure will create less contrast. In shadow, both the grey figure and the grey building will be darkened. In a proper camouflage suit, the grey individual will blend with the building and logically be less noticeable than the black silhouette. That's how camouflage works: it's not about hiding in the dark, it's about colour patterns that keep you from standing out against your backdrop.
Please note that I am not saying "Grey is better camouflage, therefore it should be used." I don't care which is better; this is fiction and you can rationalize anything, if you try hard enough. I just prefer the classic look. I only want to explain that the common reasoning for a black costume isn't really accurate. Black is used because most people think it looks cool (normally, I agree), and that's all. Practicality has nothing to do with it.
The suit will not be effective camouflage either way; the classic suit is mostly black, anyway, and the grey areas have no camouflage pattern. The black suit, while concealing his Batman's features, will simply make him a black silhouette against the city backdrop.
not_a_victim
11-28-2007, 08:41 PM
That's pretty gay. The cape looks like a black Hefty garbage bag, and the gloves look like two heaps of hot leather for sexual bondage. This is Batman; this isn't bondage man. And look at those boobs! Are those DD's? Did Batman get breast augmentation? And why are those pouches on his belt so huge? It's like a retard needs to open then, so they have to make them all big and play-skool size. As a matter of plain fact, I think I saw this exact same Fisher Price tool belt in the kiddie isle at Toys 'R' Us while I was Christmas shopping for my little brother. I hate to tell you, but this is just gay beyond San Francisco and West Hollywood combined.
Not that he will be able to respond foa couple days, but...
The pouches are nothing more than handcuff pouches. Bartram is not a tall guy, so they look especially big on him.
Your a mod now?:wow:
Greeeat..., my days are numbered... :dry:
Congrats Matt :woot:
Hehe thanks :up:
Heard it all before. Having played night paintball with people wearing both black and gray (guess which one was harder to see) I believe it to be bunk.
Just out of curiosity; where were you playing? Context can be pretty important. Someone wearing gray won't look the same in a forest as they would an alley in the city.
itsthebatman
11-29-2007, 05:38 AM
Jimmy has usually always been like that.
He just seems to be going on about rape all the time. It's.... odd, and a wee bit disturbing.
Now, when he gets back, he'll probably theaten to rape me.
Brian Braddock
11-29-2007, 05:41 AM
This is the same Jimmy Roads who always had the avatar of Hasslehoff in his underwear, right?
He and 'Jimmy' where one in the same and now he's banned?
itsthebatman
11-29-2007, 05:42 AM
This is the same Jimmy Roads who always had the avatar of Hasslehoff in his underwear, right?
He and 'Jimmy' where one in the same and now he's banned?
Probationary ban. He'll be back.
Um, the new Batsuit looks a bit odd, but I like the cowl... staying on topic.
Brian Braddock
11-29-2007, 05:52 AM
Yeah, definatley prefer the new streamlined cowl.
My only problem with the BB suit was the thickness of the cowl. I know that they tried to 'give him the neck of an animal/style it like a panther' etc but at times it didnt look the greatest imo.
itsthebatman
11-29-2007, 05:58 AM
Yeah, definatley prefer the new streamlined cowl.
My only problem with the BB suit was the thickness of the cowl. I know that they tried to 'give him the neck of an animal/style it like a panther' etc but at times it didnt look the greatest imo.
Aye, he'd have an awful fat looking neck at times.
Aidan2209
11-29-2007, 06:31 AM
Whether or not black is better as camouflage, it's certainly more intimidating. The totally black suit makes him look like a giant, bat-demon, which is really the look he's going for. The Batman of pretty much all of the comics wears a grey or blue-ish suit, and this is great. But one of the reasons the artists originally went that way, I'd assume, is because it would be extremely difficult to draw a completely black superhero who has visible limbs, bat-symbol, etc. The grey provides contrast and makes his features stand out. If you got someone today like Alex Ross to do a black-suit Batman, he'd be able to do it by using lighting. He does paintings, he can do this. But Batman was created in the '30s, comic book printing wasn't what it is today; and they were producing a serial, so they did have time limitations, they couldn't do frames and frames of Alex Ross-style paintings. More recent Batman illustrations basically adhere to the original colour scheme. But for a movie, it's totally viable to have a black-costumed superhero. The black suit, at least I believe, makes him more menacing and less human to his enemies. And it's a nomex suit (NOT rubber), because a lone vigilante in the most violent city in the world needs that sort of protection, IN ADDITION to his awesome training. In Batman: Year One (awesome comic, by the way), he's shot several times - what if he got shot in the heart? Not exactly what we would want to see in Batman Begins' second act. The suit's just part of Nolan's now-well-known approach. The new Batsuit is more streamlined; it has a very practical look to it, but also retains the dark, demonic and mysterious look Batman needs. His effects are as much psychological as physical, after all - that's Batman.
Naite22
11-29-2007, 06:35 AM
The only thing I would have liked to see on the new suit, if I may be so frank, was a bigger symbol! And it could easily have been very dark golden looking!... But it is what it is, and it looks absolutely cool to me still!
Batman's suit from the new movies are the only superhero-costumes that actually makes the superhero look cool, instead of ridiculous!:)
Nightwing1977
11-29-2007, 09:20 AM
Sorry but with all due respect it wouldn't be hard at all to put out a better Bat suit than "Scooba suit" Hollywood is so stuck on. Spiderman proved eyecandy is needed but even though BB was a very good movie it lacked the eyecandy of a badass looking Batman that actually looks like Batman and not a scooba diver with Dog ears.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batsuit.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batposter.jpg
Funny you hate the BB suit with saying it look like what scuba diver wear & dog ears, but you're using it to manip it. Pulling a Kerry there, aren't you? :wow:
Sorry, but I still prefer that suit in all black. I prefer a "dark creature" look with the BB suit. The gray just doesn't look right no matter how real or fake you make it look. And again with the trunk. He don't need trunk. Those are for comic books or anything that is too fantasy.
And Wams, that suit you post suck. You just prove my points about Hollywood are smart enough to not use that kind of look. Not to mention you hate the BB suit, but the one you post look as armorish as the TDK & less armorish than the BB suit. It look as bad as the abandoned Year One suits that was planned before Nolan was hired. ;)
Batphil
11-29-2007, 09:21 AM
I was thinking about this on the way to Uni this morning.
One of the reasons Bruce upgrades his ninja costume thing in BB to the suit (and MOTP), is to become a symbol to strike fear - or as BB Bruce says, to become incorruptible and everlasting - and seeing as though he works in the shadows with the enemy seeing either very little or nothing at all of him, the quick flash they do see would have to incorporate everything that he is.
For this reason I'd love to see a grayish suit with a large black bat symbol, easily distinguishable from the chest. I was never a fan of the yellow oval (though I can appreciate Miller trying to rationalise it) nor am I a fan of the yellow utility belt (how can you state camoflague as a reason to not include the oval, and then have a bright yellow belt?) but perhaps a darker copper one than what was in BB. Combining the symbol on the suit, as well as the Batsignal - I think itd be the difference between a thug saying he got beaten by a black flash, and saying he got beaten by the Batman - which although may be less mysterious, could be more credible.
Going back to the grey suit debate, I love the new chainmail suit - and what Id love to see (though I imagine only in my dreams) would be a thin grey material ontop of the suit, creating both the armoured look of the real world, and the comic-book-esque tights look.
Anyway, just some musings.
JackBauer24
11-29-2007, 09:23 AM
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
The Guard
11-29-2007, 09:42 AM
Why does this suit suck so much?
antsman41
11-29-2007, 10:20 AM
Where is that from Bauer?
Muziko
11-29-2007, 10:23 AM
That picture is from the Empire Magazine article.
The suit is definitely sleeker... can't wait to see it in action.
antsman41
11-29-2007, 10:24 AM
was that the only new pic i take it?
ActuallyRobin
11-29-2007, 10:24 AM
Where is that from Bauer?
small pic from the Empire mag article.
Voyeur
11-29-2007, 10:25 AM
Wow, look at that neck!
yeah it looks better from the back...
(ducks for cover...)
Armored Avenger
11-29-2007, 10:32 AM
The new suit looks alot more like Military Wargear than the suit in Batman Begins, which could be a good thing considering his suit is based off a Military design (In Nolan's films).
Im not sure about the lumps on his back though, but they will be covered by the cape most of the time so it wont bother me.
I love the new shoulder pad things on the suit though. I think they are a nice touch.
antsman41
11-29-2007, 10:39 AM
the spine area is exactly like the begins suit... look it up in those drawing in the movie guide book
Lobster Charlie
11-29-2007, 10:42 AM
Huh. I wonder why they felt the need to make the neck ribbed? Are they afraid it'd look too plain if it were just smooth?
WompuM
11-29-2007, 10:43 AM
I'm just wondering how far into the film he makes the switch.
sithlord986
11-29-2007, 11:09 AM
Why does this suit suck so much?
I think that picture of bruce looking at the suit is possibly the first time he's seeing it. Maybe he has to make some changes just like BB to make it more "batman" like. Don't judge the suit before you see it in the film. The movie so far looks amazing....can't wait to see it
Naite22
11-29-2007, 11:09 AM
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
Cool pic! It screams: I'M GOING OUT TONIGHT TO KICK SOME ASS IN DADDIES NEW AN IMPROVED SUIT! NICE WORK FOX!:woot:
Juggernaut33
11-29-2007, 11:11 AM
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
Sooooo badass!
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
Wait... I've seen this anime!
...terrible.
gwynplaine
11-29-2007, 11:20 AM
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
Very :ninja: .
Between the Joker's outfits and the new Batsuit I hope the oscar goes to the costum designer of that film.
Crook
11-29-2007, 11:27 AM
Huh. I wonder why they felt the need to make the neck ribbed? Are they afraid it'd look too plain if it were just smooth?
Likely case. Whereas in some areas it look a bit too busy, overall I think it's immensely helped push the suit as more armor, than rubber-pretending-to-be-armor.
What ruined the look for me in the first flim, was it's constant "bunching up", and lack of texture on the suit. They've seem to improved that this time around, so hopefully it'll translate well on the screen..
Art Damage
11-29-2007, 11:31 AM
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
Anthony Michael Hall's probably in the new suit challenging Bale to a staring match.
:P
Dangerous
11-29-2007, 11:33 AM
It will just be interesting to see how much Bale can move in the thing.
The new design of the suit being comprised of multiple pieces of armour grafted onto an elastic body suit is a very cool idea, it's how it works in reality that will determine how successfull it is. If it seems like it is easy for Bale to move around in it will be great, if it seems clunky then it will be not so great.
dark_b
11-29-2007, 11:34 AM
it loosk more robotic.
fact: the neck is perfect.
p.s. has anyone noticed that the back is similar then the first suit?
Dangerous
11-29-2007, 11:53 AM
Kinda reminds me of the suit/armour featured on the protagonist of PC game Crytek.
Gianakin_
11-29-2007, 11:57 AM
Suit still looks great to me.
Punk&ComicBooks
11-29-2007, 12:02 PM
It will just be interesting to see how much Bale can move in the thing.
The new design of the suit being comprised of multiple pieces of armour grafted onto an elastic body suit is a very cool idea, it's how it works in reality that will determine how successfull it is. If it seems like it is easy for Bale to move around in it will be great, if it seems clunky then it will be not so great.
Based on those facts it does seem like that would be something one might find to move around in not to mention fight and do everything batman does. I`m sure once we all see the movie we`ll be like "ohhhhhhhhhh ok i get it!" lol....just wish the gauntlets and the big sized neck on the cowl were the same but hey ya cant like everything...still cool though!
Dangerous
11-29-2007, 12:33 PM
I'm also hoping this new suit design removes the creases that appeared previously when Bat's would contort his body in certain positions.
Brian Braddock
11-29-2007, 12:39 PM
Huh. I wonder why they felt the need to make the neck ribbed? Are they afraid it'd look too plain if it were just smooth?
I imagine it's segmented to give him flexibility - if it was a smooth all-in-one it'd have the same lack of movement as the original cowl. :huh:
I'm liking the look of it in that new pic.
Octoberist
11-29-2007, 12:40 PM
New pic
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
It's a nice..back..
We need more shots of the front, but it's pretty slick from the back.
chintai80
11-29-2007, 12:42 PM
we need more scans from the empire article.
someone please scan the whole damn thang and put it up here. thank you. :woot:
Octoberist
11-29-2007, 12:43 PM
or at least, some of the things discussed in that isue of Empire.
nathan andrew
11-29-2007, 01:01 PM
Despite what more traditionalists say, I love the all black armor style suits of the movies. A true to source suit made of cloth material or even grey and dark blue doesn't really interest me for the big screen. I love this new suit so far, but I'm a little worried that it's going to make Batman just a hair too thin looking. Batman has always been a huge guy, so it's already one knock against him that Bale isn't nearly big enough, even though he is a great actor.
fabman
11-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Somebody from the UK scan that damn Empire article!!!
Mitthrawnuruodo
11-29-2007, 01:13 PM
you know the new bond film?
The chase in the begining?
I want to see Batman move like THAT!
Not likely in 50 pounds of rubber though.
ActuallyRobin
11-29-2007, 01:25 PM
someone already has scanned it in another thread.
aye that chase scene was pretty good :)
Octoberist
11-29-2007, 01:26 PM
someone scanned the entire article already, 'actuallyrobin'?
Octoberist
11-29-2007, 01:28 PM
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13371144&postcount=3423
is this it?
rashad
11-29-2007, 01:28 PM
The suit's looking great. Hope to see more shots soon.
Mitthrawnuruodo
11-29-2007, 01:28 PM
when is this issure of empire out?
ActuallyRobin
11-29-2007, 01:29 PM
already out to some places in uk and to subscribers, officially out tomorrrow tho should should be everywhere by then.
fabman
11-29-2007, 01:37 PM
Okay... tomorrow... scan that stuff, peeps!
Mitthrawnuruodo
11-29-2007, 02:20 PM
i'm going out tonight, hope tesco have it
Funny you hate the BB suit with saying it look like what scuba diver wear & dog ears, but you're using it to manip it. Pulling a Kerry there, aren't you? :wow:
Sorry, but I still prefer that suit in all black. I prefer a "dark creature" look with the BB suit. The gray just doesn't look right no matter how real or fake you make it look. And again with the trunk. He don't need trunk. Those are for comic books or anything that is too fantasy.
And Wams, that suit you post suck. You just prove my points about Hollywood are smart enough to not use that kind of look. Not to mention you hate the BB suit, but the one you post look as armorish as the TDK & less armorish than the BB suit. It look as bad as the abandoned Year One suits that was planned before Nolan was hired. ;)
Sorry I'm a reg artist and not that good at these manips yet. but of course these don't look that good because they are not the real thing. I think the suit most used in the comics is the way to go, why not? Why is a rubber scooba suit any better than the comic version?
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batsuit2.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/philm8/batthread.jpg
The Guard
11-29-2007, 05:14 PM
I think that picture of bruce looking at the suit is possibly the first time he's seeing it. Maybe he has to make some changes just like BB to make it more "batman" like. Don't judge the suit before you see it in the film. The movie so far looks amazing....can't wait to see it
I think that's the Batsuit in it's little "rising from the floor" thing. Which we've seen from another angle in leaked photos.
The Guard
11-29-2007, 05:52 PM
It's not. Saying "It's better" may be an exaggeration--I doubt anyone here has information to back that up--but we've all seen the study indicating the effectiveness of grey urban camouflage, and we all know it's what the military uses (don't you htink they know what they're doing?).
Right, but the military uses camoflague design. Many intersecting colors and patterns. They don't run around in suits with large expanses of gray and offsetting black colors that make the gray a hell of a lot more visible.
Everyone automatically assumes that black is better for hiding in shadows, which is understandable, but doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
Shadow is the reduced presence of light, resulting in muted and darker versions of normal colour. A building in shadow does not become black, nor does an alley, a dumpster, a car, or anything else that is not already black. A grey car is still recognizable as being grey in the dark, and a grey building is still recognizable as being grey. You still also note that grey is the dominant building colour in any given city. A black figure standing against a grey building, shadow or not, will create contrast. Whether it's enough contrast to cause problems, I can't say, but it's obvious that a grey figure will create less contrast.
What about the gray figure with a massive black cloak? And since when does Batman run around standing in front of buildings?
In shadow, both the grey figure and the grey building will be darkened. In a proper camouflage suit, the grey individual will blend with the building and logically be less noticeable than the black silhouette. That's how camouflage works: it's not about hiding in the dark, it's about colour patterns that keep you from standing out against your backdrop.
Right, but if there's a massive black cloak, the effect of the gray is lessened, is it not? Since you can then see that black/gray contrast?
Please note that I am not saying "Grey is better camouflage, therefore it should be used." I don't care which is better; this is fiction and you can rationalize anything, if you try hard enough. I just prefer the classic look.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, aside from the fact that it tends to look ridiculous. :)
I only want to explain that the common reasoning for a black costume isn't really accurate. Black is used because most people think it looks cool (normally, I agree), and that's all. Practicality has nothing to do with it. The suit will not be effective camouflage either way; the classic suit is mostly black, anyway, and the grey areas have no camouflage pattern. The black suit, while concealing his Batman's features, will simply make him a black silhouette against the city backdrop.
I think it very much depends on where Batman is. He's not always going to be standing in front of a gray building, or a gray wall, etc. I would imagine black, since he tends to operate as much in the dark as possible in his best portrayals, would still serve him better, as at least he'd look less like a man in a suit, and more like a massive black silhouette.
The Guard
11-29-2007, 06:07 PM
You know what the new Batsuit reminds me of? The new Blue Beetle outfit in the comics. Not even sure why, but yuck.
Mr. Socko
11-29-2007, 06:09 PM
I don't like arguing the reason they could use a grey and black suit is because of the camouflaging or reasons for what the military does and uses, or whatever. I really don't care about any of that. Overall, the suits they use in the movies are fine but I do hope to see a grey and black suit utilized one day in a Bat-movie, if only because it is used in the comics and I think it could work well. That's the only reason I have, I'm not defending it with reasons of high tech infantry, military divison camoflaging used resources or whatever, I just want to see it done. That is all.
The Caped Knight
11-29-2007, 06:46 PM
http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/thedarkknightimages/TDK_batsuit-wayne_empire-mag_11-29-07.jpg
That's a cool pic of Bruce
Saint
11-29-2007, 06:49 PM
Right, but the military uses camoflague design. Many intersecting colors and patterns. They don't run around in suits with large expanses of gray and offsetting black colors that make the gray a hell of a lot more visible.
...I guess you missed the last paragraph in my post.
What about the gray figure with a massive black cloak?
Once again: last paragraph.
And since when does Batman run around standing in front of buildings?
Are you kidding me? Unless he's on the highest building in the city, his backdrop is always made up of buildings. If that weren't true, though, it still wouldn't matter, as mentioned in the last paragraph of my previous post.
Right, but if there's a massive black cloak, the effect of the gray is lessened, is it not? Since you can then see that black/gray contrast?
Last paragraph.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, aside from the fact that it tends to look ridiculous. :)
If that's what you need to tell yourself. In the future, maybe, everyone will have the balls to say "I just like black/grey/pink/whatever," instead of making up bogus excuses. I suppose I'm just enlightened.
I think it very much depends on where Batman is. He's not always going to be standing in front of a gray building, or a gray wall, etc.
Not two feet in front, no. But whether he's on top of a roof or in an alley, you know what's behind him? Buildings. All around him, in fact.
I would imagine black, since he tends to operate as much in the darkas possible in his best portrayals, would still serve him better, as at least he'd look less like a man in a suit, and more like a massive black silhouette.
Which is only a useful effect when he's standing still, in which case the cape is around him and it doesn't matter what colour he's wearing. Again: there are no added practical effects, whether it's black or grey.
The Guard
11-29-2007, 07:03 PM
...I guess you missed the last paragraph in my post.
No, but if I'd addressed that one instead of the first one, you might have said "I guess you missed the first paragraph in my post".
Once again: last paragraph.
I was getting there...
Are you kidding me? Unless he's on the highest building in the city, his backdrop is always made up of buildings. If that weren't true, though, it still wouldn't matter, as mentioned in the last paragraph of my previous post.
Why would his backdrop always be made up of buildings? Doesn't he often operate indoors? At street level?
So...if there are all these buildings around him...I guess I don't understand the context of this camoflague. Are people supposed to just not see him because he's camoflagued from a certain angle, because he's far away and surrounded by gray buildings, what? And would people see him anyway at that angle and distance?
A comparison picture would help. I don't understand how this is even a handy camoflague.
Last paragraph.
I was getting there.
If that's what you need to tell yourself. In the future, maybe, everyone will have the balls to say "I just like black/grey/pink/whatever," instead of making up bogus excuses. I suppose I'm just enlightened.
It looks absurd. There's no reason for any kind of realistic version of Batman to wear that outfit. Why would Batman be interested in color coding? I'm not saying I don't like the design or it's tradition, but it looks ridiculous in context.
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I think it very much depends on where Batman is. He's not always going to be standing in front of a gray building, or a gray wall, etc.
Not two feet in front, no. But whether he's on top of a roof or in an alley, you know what's behind him? Buildings. All around him, in fact.
And who will be looking at him at this point, that he needs this camoflague so badly...and again, wouldn't a black cape destroy this camoflague?
This is my point. Give me a scenario when this would be remotely useful.
Which is only a useful effect when he's standing still, in which case the cape is around him and it doesn't matter what colour he's wearing. Again: there are no added practical effects, whether it's black or grey.
No, he can still look like a black silhouette of something in motion. Would it be the same silhouette? No, but the cape provides an effect, regardless, even when he's in motion.
Re: Your last paragraph. You indicate the suit cannot be an effective camoflague, and I pointed out it depends on where Batman is. And it does. In the dark, he's a lot less likely to be visible and so black or dark gray do make more sense just because he's a nocturnal avenger and these colors are a lot less visible in shadows than any other.
Except purple, but that's...just weird.
Or brown. And who ever heard of a "brown bat"?
Mr. Socko
11-29-2007, 07:14 PM
It looks absurd. There's no reason for any kind of realistic version of Batman to wear that outfit. Why would Batman be interested in color coding? I'm not saying I don't like the design or it's tradition, but it looks ridiculous in context.
Just thought I'd address this. As I said earlier, I personally don't care for nor need a reason why Batman would wear a two tone suit, I just want him to if simply because of tradition. But I agree it would look ridiculous in context of Christopher Nolan's films, like you said this realistic version of Batman probably wouldn't wear a grey suit with black trunks. I wasn't expecting the suit to be partially grey in TDK, and I'm definitely not expecting it to be that way in Batman 3. But again, I'd love to see it sometime in the future. :up:
Saint
11-29-2007, 09:23 PM
No, but if I'd addressed that one instead of the first one, you might have said "I guess you missed the first paragraph in my post".
If you contradicted a point in that paragraph, certainly.
Why would his backdrop always be made up of buildings? Doesn't he often operate indoors? At street level?
You know what's around him at street level? Buildings. Cars, too, I suppose, if he's in the middle of the street for some reason, but mostly buildings. As for being indoors, yes, he absolutely does that, but grey or black will make no practical difference in that situation (or in any situation, given Batman's design, but I'm just addressing your specific statement).
So...if there are all these buildings around him...I guess I don't understand the context of this camoflague. Are people supposed to just not see him because he's camoflagued from a certain angle, because he's far away and surrounded by gray buildings, what? And would people see him anyway at that angle and distance?
A comparison picture would help. I don't understand how this is even a handy camoflague.
It's not about making people disappear, it's about making them less noticeable. If a pink guy is rappelling down a building, well, you'll probably notice, even if you're not looking right at the building. If a guy in urban camo is doing it, probably not. You'll probably notice if you're already looking right in that area, for whatever reason, but that will be true regardless of what the individual is wearing.
Also, if the area is far away, I imagine it would be hard to notice a camouflaged person, even if you were looking right at him. As I've mentioned, Batman's suit is not effective camouflage whether it's black or grey--I'm just answering your question about how urban camouflage works, to the best of my knowledge.
It looks absurd.
This is the part where any honest individual would say "I just like black," and leave it at that.
There's no reason for any kind of realistic version of Batman to wear that outfit.
Correct. There is also no realistic reason for him to wear all black. This has been my point all along. It doesn't matter what's realistic, even in Nolan's "realistic" films. It only matters 1) what you like, and 2) what you can fictionally explain. That's pretty much the nature of fiction.
How that relates to Batman is explained in my answer to your next question.
Why would Batman be interested in color coding?
As I said, you can rationalize anything in fiction, so one could make an argument for black as well, but you have asked me for a fictional explanation, and I'll provide it (in a purely fictional context, which is all that matters). Batman's business is not all stealth. That's really the answer, right there. It's also not all about fear, either. The suit is a compromise, because he does not strictly deal with criminals he desires to terrify and hunt.
As I always say, Batman comes from three schools: monster, soldier, and superhero. Some will say "He's not a superhero," but those individuals are kidding themselves. Certainly true of individual stories, but we have to consider the entirety of his history. He is one part superhero, plain and simple.
Anyways, the suit is designed accordingly. It communicates differently to different people, as is it's purpose. He cannot look strictly like a demon bat-thing, because that would make effective relations with police, witnesses, and civilians considerably more difficult, if not impossible. Cops would do nothing but shoot at him, and witnesses and civilians would run in terror. Yes, they do this sometimes anyway, but those instances are decidedly reduced because the batsuit makes him recognizable as a human being upon closer inspection.
For the cops, this means they know he's a man--superpowers or not--and can thus be reasoned with. He falls into a pattern they understand, and as such they fall into a pattern Batman understands. It makes dealing with them, whether they are acting as allies or enemies, that much easier than if they ran away from him in terror, or shot mindlessly at him. Why else wouldn't he disguise his gear (the soldier element)? Cops see the gear, and they can relate. That's an easy win.
As for the public, well, they recognize superhero conventions. The symbol on his chest means he is one, but to do that it has to be seen. Black on black isn't so good for that. If he's a superhero--with a symbol on his chest and a human face to look at--civilians and witnesses will be naturally more inclined to cooperate with him, than if he was a snarling bat demon. You could explain the boots/globes/briefs convention the same way, if you really wanted to. That brings me back to my original point: you can rationalize anything. You could come up with fine arguments for a black costume, too, but they're not legitimate, for reasons I have explained. The grey arguments aren't legitimate, either. They don't need to be. It's like I said: why can't people just admit they just prefer X or Y, and cut the crap?
And who will be looking at him at this point, that he needs this camoflague so badly...and again, wouldn't a black cape destroy this camoflague?
This is my point. Give me a scenario when this would be remotely useful.
It would not be. You originally questioned the function of grey camouflage in the real world, and my post was about that. I said rather clearly that it makes no difference for Batman. As I said, I was only pointing out that the common argument for a black batsuit is inaccurate.
No, he can still look like a black silhouette of something in motion.
Obviously, but to no effect. There is no practical difference between an attacking black mass, and an attacking grey one. They'll shoot at it all the same. Batman's silhouette is for the audience, not anyone else, and in comics, animation, and film, you can make a black silhouette out of grey costume, and I guarantee nobody will say "HOW UNREALISTIC!"
Re: Your last paragraph. You indicate the suit cannot be an effective camoflague, and I pointed out it depends on where Batman is. And it does. In the dark, he's a lot less likely to be visible and so black or dark gray do make more sense just because he's a nocturnal avenger and these colors are a lot less visible in shadows than any other.
Yes: black or dark grey. I'm not sure where you got the impression I was asking for anything besides dark grey.
For the record, though, the dark is not black. The dark is dark, and unless the surrounding area is coloured black--or damn close--it will still not be black in the dark.
Contrary to popular belief around here, grey does not glow in the dark. If you turn your lights out, the difference between a grey sweater and a black sweater hanging in your closet is negligible.
Nightwing1977
11-30-2007, 12:57 AM
I think the suit most used in the comics is the way to go, why not?
Because this isn't a comic book. It's a movie inspired from the comic book, so you're not going to get them. And again, the suit just look terrible no matter how try it. At least IMHO.
Why is a rubber scooba suit any better than the comic version?
And why should Batman wear costume that are cloth & a little colorful? Not to mention the trunk. This is a movie, so costumes will need to change to fit how it would look if he was real. True the rubber may not be perfect, but I doubt seeing a guy dressing like a bat with some color than plain black & wearing silly trunk on the outside (beside being a cloth type or spandex) will scare me.
Oh, I love the new suit pic inside Empire. The way the neckline look, it made me think how he going to turn his head. But interesting neverless.
Cobblepot
11-30-2007, 04:31 AM
Was this ever posted?
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8201/1155507432c3711533eban3.jpg
ActuallyRobin
11-30-2007, 04:35 AM
mayybe, mind you I don't remember seeing this exact one, hmmm
dark_b
11-30-2007, 04:36 AM
this is not the real batman.
CaptainClown
11-30-2007, 04:37 AM
its spawn
Cobblepot
11-30-2007, 04:49 AM
Anyone seen it before?
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8201/1155507432c3711533eban3.jpg
ActuallyRobin
11-30-2007, 04:53 AM
didnt you just post that 3 posts back? *ponders*
CaptainClown
11-30-2007, 04:54 AM
yes I don't know what he wants.. cookie?
ActuallyRobin
11-30-2007, 04:56 AM
too bad i've finished all the ones i baked earlier this week, or I'd hand him one.
Cobblepot
11-30-2007, 05:16 AM
Wrong thread you heartless bastards...
:o
CaptainClown
11-30-2007, 05:20 AM
I so do HAVE A HEART... well once the wizard of oz gives it to me
I hear a beat...how sweet
dark_b
11-30-2007, 08:22 AM
with all due respect to nolan. but what is the purpose of the symbol if you dont even see it under bright lights?
why is the material around the symbol darker? its like they didnt want that we see the symbol which is very very small.
IMO this would be better. the material around the symbol is the same as the body.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5116/6y3bj38ay7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://i9.tinypic.com/6y3bj38.jpg
Citadel30
11-30-2007, 08:35 AM
you know what- i actually really like the new suit. it is definitely different than what we are used to seeing- but it really looks like something a high tech soldier would wear into combat. it looks like it could really protect Batman as he is fighting pyschopaths in the Narrows.
and with the black cape/memory clothe draped over the front of his shoulders- i believe we will still see the iconic Batman that we all know from thee comics.
i cant wait to see it on the IMAX screen.
Batman>all
11-30-2007, 08:38 AM
you know what- i actually really like the new suit. it is definitely different than what we are used to seeing- but it really looks like something a high tech soldier would wear into combat. it looks like it could really protect Batman as he is fighting pyschopaths in the Narrows.
and with the black cape/memory clothe draped over the front of his shoulders- i believe we will still see the iconic Batman that we all know from thee comics.
i cant wait to see it on the IMAX screen.
i like the suit too and my guess is that he needs the suit and thats why he got it in the first place.
Its him against the Joker and every gang in gotham
Great shots of the new suit! Overall I'm liking it, though the chest symbol is laughably small. Good grief. Also don't like the chestband/man-bra thing. Looking forward to the preview.
Mr. Socko
11-30-2007, 11:02 AM
I'm glad Batman can finally freely move his head but I don't like the look of the cowl much and the neck part is a bit too small, skinny(?)
The symbol is too small, but other than that, I think the suit is great from the shoulders down.
El Payaso
11-30-2007, 11:12 AM
I like the new suit very much but I saw a couple of pics where the neck looks really ugly.
El Payaso
11-30-2007, 11:13 AM
Anyone seen it before?
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8201/1155507432c3711533eban3.jpg
It needs a longer cape.
dark_b
11-30-2007, 11:17 AM
when looking the neck from the front it is normal wide. i think it isskinny if you watch it from the side.
Super Kal
11-30-2007, 11:20 AM
with all due respect to nolan. but what is the purpose of the symbol if you dont even see it under bright lights?
why is the material around the symbol darker? its like they didnt want that we see the symbol which is very very small.
IMO this would be better. the material around the symbol is the same as the body.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5116/6y3bj38ay7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://i9.tinypic.com/6y3bj38.jpg
another question:
why is the symbol so small?... it's even smaller than the Superman symbol on the SR suit :confused:
Mr. Socko
11-30-2007, 11:22 AM
It's barely recognizable. You've got to squint.
chitownballer
11-30-2007, 11:23 AM
another question:
why is the symbol so small?... it's even smaller than the Superman symbol on the SR suit :confused:
I agree it would be much better if that whole black area was in the shape of the symbol with the corner of the bats wings edging off into the shoulders. Other then that I like the new suit
dark_b
11-30-2007, 11:24 AM
another question:
why is the symbol so small?... it's even smaller than the Superman symbol on the SR suit :confused:a good question.
i thought that the symbol is just smaller. but from teh video it looks extreme small.
Stotch
11-30-2007, 11:24 AM
Is it just me or does Batman look mighty puny in those pics?
GoogleMe94
11-30-2007, 11:25 AM
with all due respect to nolan. but what is the purpose of the symbol if you dont even see it under bright lights?
why is the material around the symbol darker? its like they didnt want that we see the symbol which is very very small.
IMO this would be better. the material around the symbol is the same as the body.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5116/6y3bj38ay7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://i9.tinypic.com/6y3bj38.jpg
hey where is this pic from? i dont remember seeing this in the todays show clip..
Mr. Socko
11-30-2007, 11:26 AM
Is it just me or does Batman look mighty puny in those pics?
Is it the neck that makes it look that way...?
GoogleMe94
11-30-2007, 11:26 AM
another question:
why is the symbol so small?... it's even smaller than the Superman symbol on the SR suit :confused:
yeah i was wondering the same thing. there so much wrong with this suit already, it just looked weird in certain areas.
dark_b
11-30-2007, 11:26 AM
i also didnt see it
i htink its fro mthe commercial
GoogleMe94
11-30-2007, 11:27 AM
commericial?
dark_b
11-30-2007, 11:28 AM
commericial?i didnt writte that :cwink:
Stotch
11-30-2007, 11:29 AM
Is it the neck that makes it look that way...?
The neck and the head, and I guess the hardly-noticable cape kinda seem 'disconnected' to the rest of his body, so it looks like a kid is wearing that..
rogue trooper
11-30-2007, 11:29 AM
The suit keeps looking better with each new picture or footage!! So hyped!!
Compi716
11-30-2007, 11:35 AM
I love the suit, but I agree with everybody else here: what's the deal with the miniscule symbol? Batman is supposed to be a symbol, and yet he barely has one.
SolidSnakeMGS
11-30-2007, 11:38 AM
Is it just me or does Batman look mighty puny in those pics?
Yeah he does to me too. I mean, Bale was HUGE in BB, now he looks like Keaton from 89 (not good). Big head, thin body. I mean, at least use some horizontal stripes or something like the fashion tips recommend!
Mr. Socko
11-30-2007, 11:39 AM
I love the suit, but I agree with everybody else here: what's the deal with the miniscule symbol? Batman is supposed to be a symbol, and yet he barely has one.
Just to post the pic one more time in another thread...I really liked the more vintage symbol on the Begins suit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/bigshow321/Batman/5zgv1g.jpg
Compi716
11-30-2007, 11:43 AM
Just to post the pic one more time in another thread...I really liked the more vintage symbol on the Begins suit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/bigshow321/Batman/5zgv1g.jpg
Yeah, THAT is a great symbol. I thought it should've been darker, but the design was flawless.
chitownballer
11-30-2007, 11:45 AM
I know there are alot of great Manip people on here (me not being one) can anyone do a manip of the new suit with the large dark area replaced with the old symbol or making the whole dark area the shape of the symbol. I think that would be ideal
DeaDheaD
11-30-2007, 11:47 AM
The suit looks so good in the cop car pic..........the Today Show knows how f**k things up.
GoogleMe94
11-30-2007, 11:47 AM
Batman is supposed to be a symbol, and yet he barely has one.
LMAO!
Mr. Superhero
11-30-2007, 11:48 AM
They've totally nailed the Joker -- but this new...Batsuit -- if that's what you can call it -- has gone tits up.
Dark Sentinel
11-30-2007, 12:01 PM
haha i love watching you people complain...
alright down to business: the reason the symbol is smaller is because there's probably really not much of a use for it anymore, because Gothamites now know who he is. So now there isnt that much of a need for the huge symbol from Begins (which i do wish they kept, that was badass right there)...and plus, it's not the suit that makes the man. Batman has become a symbol, so there's almost no need for one on his chest
also, because Nolan said that Joker's performance would be based on the first few stories he was in, it's plausible they did the same with Batman, at least in terms of the suit..in the very first comics Batman had quite a small symbol didnt he? just another thought
Hole Shot
11-30-2007, 12:03 PM
The suit looks so good in the cop car pic..........the Today Show knows how f**k things up.
It looks great in the one shot of him overlooking the city too! That's why I'm hoping the two shots that it look good in also happen to be the only two shots we've scene of the suit in context.
Mr. Socko
11-30-2007, 12:13 PM
haha i love watching you people complain...
alright down to business: the reason the symbol is smaller is because there's probably really not much of a use for it anymore, because Gothamites now know who he is. So now there isnt that much of a need for the huge symbol from Begins (which i do wish they kept, that was badass right there)...and plus, it's not the suit that makes the man. Batman has become a symbol, so there's almost no need for one on his chest
also, because Nolan said that Joker's performance would be based on the first few stories he was in, it's plausible they did the same with Batman, at least in terms of the suit..in the very first comics Batman had quite a small symbol didnt he? just another thought
Since you want to use the ridiculous "no reason for it" excuse, then why don't they take the ears off the cowl too? I mean everyone in Begins realized he had ears and represented a bat, so let's just remove them now because they know who it is if they see him flying on rooftops...sorry but that excuse is a very weak one.
Batman also wore grey in his first comics, wore black trunks, but most of all used a gun and killed. Something 90% of the board praises Nolan for getting 'right' over the Burton films. But yes, it was quite small in Detective Comics #27, but also one of the most noticable things on the costume because it's black contrasted against the grey suit, making it the most notable thing of his appearance besides the famous cape and cowl.
And while we're at it, since the suit doesn't make the man(which I disagree with) and since Batman is just a symbol now, why not have him fight crime in a purple bulletproof corset?
See, usually when you start to perfect something over time (like Wayne and his suit), it becomes more simplified. The suit shouldn't become more complicated over time unless he needed a quick fix to overcome some problem. As far as I can tell though, the Begins suit did just fine protecting him... so it shouldn't be about that. It could be an issue of mobility is suppose. If Bruce explicitly says in TDK that the new suit will help him move better, I can accept that.
Since you want to use the ridiculous "no reason for it" excuse, then why don't they take the ears off the cowl too? I mean everyone in Begins realized he had ears and represented a bat, so let's just remove them now because they know who it is if they see him flying on rooftops...sorry but that excuse is a very weak one.
Batman also wore grey in his first comics, wore black trunks, but most of all used a gun and killed. Something 90% of the board praises Nolan for getting 'right' over the Burton films. But yes, it was quite small in Detective Comics but #27, but also one of the most noticable things on the costume because it's black contrasted against the grey suit, making it the most notable thing of his appearance besides the famous cape and cowl.
And while we're at it, since the suit doesn't make the man(which I disagree with) and since Batman is just a symbol now, why not have him fight crime in a purple bulletproof corset?
Sorry Mr. Socko but that is definetly stretching it!! It's like the fanboys who complained about the slight, YES...SLIGHT changes to the S on Superman's costume. It wasn't like they removed it, just altered it a bit. I like Batman having the bat symbol on his chest but if they were to remove it, I wouldn't be pissed at all. It's nowhere as important or relevant as the ears on his cowl.
As dark_sentinel said, we as well as the Gothamites all know who he is, it isn't necessarily needed. They made it smaller but at least it's still there.
The Guard
11-30-2007, 12:20 PM
I just keep shaking my head. This second Batsuit looks ridiculous. Techy and cool, but ridiculous. I mean, the man fell out of a window on fire, fell for several stories, landed on a car, and survived with little injury. You're telling me he needed more protection?
This just strikes me as an excuse to sell more toys. I wonder what the suit "does". I mean, look at it, it must "do" something.
Mr. Socko
11-30-2007, 12:24 PM
Sorry Mr. Socko but that is definetly stretching it!! It's like the fanboys who complained about the slight, YES...SLIGHT changes to the S on Superman's costume. It wasn't like they removed it, just altered it a bit. I like Batman having the bat symbol on his chest but if they were to remove it, I wouldn't be pissed at all. It's nowhere as important or relevant as the ears on his cowl.
As dark_sentinel said, we as well as the Gothamites all know who he is, it isn't necessarily needed. They made it smaller but at least it's still there.
If they ever attempted this, I would kill someone:csad:
If they ever attempted this, I would kill someone:csad:
I would love to see that.:woot: But seriously though, you would be that pissed off about it?? I understand it's Iconic and all, but I would be more pissed about the ears or the cape, if they were to be removed.
Fox: "I finished complicating you're new suit Mr. Wayne"
Wayne: "Oh great... wait, you promised me twenty separate pieces Lucius.." "I only see fifteen."
Fox: "Well, it's better than the measly five pieces you had before..."
Stotch
11-30-2007, 12:28 PM
This just strikes me as an excuse to sell more toys. I wonder what the suit "does". I mean, look at it, it must "do" something.
The spikes on his arm shoot out.
SolidSnakeMGS
11-30-2007, 12:28 PM
Really? Bat symbol on the chest is more iconic to me than the ears and cowls.
The Guard
11-30-2007, 12:29 PM
The spikes on his arm shoot out.
No, no...I mean OTHER than that. Like, maybe half the chestpiece folds out to form some kind of riot shield or something...
Really? Bat symbol on the chest is more iconic to me than the ears and cowls.
I agree, the bat symbol is more iconic than the ears or cowl/cape. The thing is, I think he would look really weird or "off" if he didn't have one or both of the other two than the symbol.
Stotch
11-30-2007, 12:32 PM
No, no...I mean OTHER than that. Like, maybe half the chestpiece folds out to form some kind of riot shield or something...
I now know where the Batpod comes from: His suit transforms.
BATATRON, over and out!
Really? Bat symbol on the chest is more iconic to me than the ears and cowls.
In some ways the symbol is. For me though, the ears are more iconic. When you think of Batman, it's all about his silhouette. The ears make that shape what it is.
The Sage
11-30-2007, 12:36 PM
That bulb-shaped head effect the neck gives off just about ruins the entire suit. Hopefully the lighting and angles should distort it just as they did to the bulky cowl of BB.
Leon the Professional
11-30-2007, 01:40 PM
This new thin neck looks terrible. It makes him look like a weakling, and his head look too big. It really is like a lightbulb. Plus he's going to be wearing the Begins suit in TDK before he switches to the new one, so you're gonna see him going from powerful-looking neck to scrawny-looking neck in the same movie.
I understand making the headpiece and neckpiece separate for more mobility, and making the neckpiece segmented. Those two changes alone should have enhanced mobility. Why also make it so thin? Does that really give so much extra mobility that it's worth downgrading his appearance like this?
rogue trooper
11-30-2007, 01:44 PM
This new thin neck looks terrible. It makes him look like a weakling, and his head look too big. It really is like a lightbulb. Plus he's going to be wearing the Begins suit in TDK before he switches to the new one, so you're gonna see him going from powerful-looking neck to scrawny-looking neck in the same movie.
I understand making the headpiece and neckpiece separate for more mobility, and making the neckpiece segmented. Those two changes alone should have enhanced mobility. Why also make it so thin? Does that really give so much extra mobility that it's worth downgrading his appearance like this?
The only thing terrible is the quality of the picture of which you are, more than likely, judging the costume by. In other pictures the costume looks great.
Nivek
11-30-2007, 01:50 PM
I would love to see that.:woot: But seriously though, you would be that pissed off about it?? I understand it's Iconic and all, but I would be more pissed about the ears or the cape, if they were to be removed.
Yes, anyone should be pi$$ed at unnecessary changes like that. You take away so much from these static characters, you might as well just create your own original character.
But hell, recent reaction to some Superhero movies show deviation from the source material isn't paying off for Hollywood.
rohitiyer
11-30-2007, 01:54 PM
I was quite doubtful about the suit. But now that I've seen footage, I think the costume designer and Nolan have come up with a brilliant solution:
1 - Up close, the suit looks like extra protection/chainmail/armor, which goes very well with the film's theme and title.
2 - From afar, and in darkness, the suit almost looks like musculature and thus creates more definition than raised rubber/fabric-with-muscle-suit-inside could ever have created.
It's a great 2-in-1 solution - the suit looks like muscle but isn't actually musculature (which as we've seen in previous films looks quite silly)
Of course, there are issues like the bat-symbol and the baggy thigh area when he walks. But when I see Bale moving and walking around, he just looks so comfortable. And in one wide-shot (when Nolan's talking), he almost looks like he's really buff and wearing tights.
So I don't think it's stupid that they made a busy suit and expect the audience to not see it clearly. In fact I think it's the opposite - quite brilliant.
The Guard
11-30-2007, 01:58 PM
"Brilliant"?
Anyone can make a suit "techy". This is not a brilliant concept.
Puddin
11-30-2007, 01:59 PM
My opinion so far is that it looks great in some shots and piss poor in others. I guess it's all just in the presentation (although I'm still displeased with the new Bat symbol, really liked the one in Begins).
Ireland's Joker
11-30-2007, 02:01 PM
Not sure if this was posted or not:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7904/08bn1.jpg
Thought it was worth a look.
antsman41
11-30-2007, 02:03 PM
do you guys want purple gloves too
Milkman95
11-30-2007, 02:08 PM
It's all about the angle - the BB suit looked bad in some pics as well. Yes, the neck is skinny in some shots but in others it looks good.
In this case, Mobility>Look of the suit.
The Guard
11-30-2007, 02:12 PM
I don't think overall it looks horrible. It's just stupidly overblown.
DaddyGrayson
11-30-2007, 02:13 PM
I like the new suit, and I like it more everytime I see it! :up:
Milkman95
11-30-2007, 02:14 PM
Yeah, it's a bit overdone, but his mobility is going to be way better. The BB suit's neck looked ridiculous too in some shots. It's funny - in 2005 the neck was "teh puffy" now it's "teh bobblehead"..........
The Guard
11-30-2007, 02:20 PM
When you say "mobility is going to be better", do you mean his neck? Because his mobility was already pretty good.
Milkman95
11-30-2007, 02:22 PM
I think this suit overall will be better from a mobility standpoint. It's lighter and tighter.
It should be pretty cool to finally see a cinema Batman turn his head as well.
The Guard
11-30-2007, 02:26 PM
On what planet would that be "cool"?
:).
Puddin
11-30-2007, 02:30 PM
On what planet would that be "cool"?
:).
Ura...*resists urge* Earth. Seriously though, it will be nice that he can finally move his head, although I was under the impression that he did have some neck mobility in Begins (guess I need to go back and rewatch Begins again).
I was quite doubtful about the suit. But now that I've seen footage, I think the costume designer and Nolan have come up with a brilliant solution:
1 - Up close, the suit looks like extra protection/chainmail/armor, which goes very well with the film's theme and title.
2 - From afar, and in darkness, the suit almost looks like musculature and thus creates more definition than raised rubber/fabric-with-muscle-suit-inside could ever have created.
It's a great 2-in-1 solution - the suit looks like muscle but isn't actually musculature (which as we've seen in previous films looks quite silly)
Of course, there are issues like the bat-symbol and the baggy thigh area when he walks. But I when I see Bale moving and walking around, he just looks so comfortable. And in one wide-shot (when Nolan's talking), he almost looks like he's really buff and wearing tights.
So I don't think it's stuipid that they made a busy suit and expect the audience to not see it clearly. In fact I think it's the opposite - quite brilliant.
Quoted for common sense.
Sun_Down
11-30-2007, 03:06 PM
That bulb-shaped head effect the neck gives off just about ruins the entire suit. Hopefully the lighting and angles should distort it just as they did to the bulky cowl of BB.
Yeah, by tweaking the helmet so much, they've compromised the iconic silhouette of the cowl and made him look much more like some run-of-the-mill foot solder.
I never really got the complaints about the Begins cowl or it being "fat". Aesthetically, I found that it made him look strong and powerful. This new one looks goofy.
I think this suit overall will be better from a mobility standpoint. It's lighter and tighter.
It should be pretty cool to finally see a cinema Batman turn his head as well.
It does suck when Batman looks funny trying to look at something off to the side and has to turn his whole body, but I just don't know if totally compromising the overall look is worth fixing that.
The cowl blows. Seriously.
JamalYIgle
11-30-2007, 03:21 PM
Here are some more shots from the today show footage
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture2.png
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture1-1.png
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture5-1.png
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture6.png
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture7.png
Pfeiffer-Pfan
11-30-2007, 03:25 PM
Judging from those pics, i really hope Batman's cape covers him completely... it just looks better!
He looks frozen and far too exposed with Fox - Remember Nolan, this guy likes the shadows (i wish this was an aspect he would grasp a little better)
The Guard
11-30-2007, 03:27 PM
Ura...*resists urge* Earth. Seriously though, it will be nice that he can finally move his head, although I was under the impression that he did have some neck mobility in Begins (guess I need to go back and rewatch Begins again).
I guess it will be nice. The lack of neck mobility never bothered me or was really all that apparent on film. He does turn his neck at one point in BEGINS. I recall spilling my popcorn in excitement.
dark_b
11-30-2007, 03:27 PM
the definition of this shot is ....BADASS.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture6.png
JamalYIgle
11-30-2007, 03:27 PM
Judging from those pics, i really hope Batman's cape covers him completely... it just looks better!
He looks frozen and far too exposed with Fox - Remember Nolan, this guy likes the shadows (i wish this was an aspect he would grasp a little better)
Lucius Fox, who made the suit,Knows he's Batman? Why would he be hiding in the shadows from him?
Pfeiffer-Pfan
11-30-2007, 03:32 PM
Lucius Fox, who made the suit,Knows he's Batman? Why would he be hiding in the shadows from him?
Its a personal preference that i feel needs to be seen more. Im not criticising the suit at all... i love it:woot:
But i suppose it something i feel the character would still do - i Dont know, i just like it better
Gotta remember, this is Nolan's vision not mine!
Antonello Blueberry
11-30-2007, 03:34 PM
And guess what? No lenses...
I'm still not crazy about the suit.
Milkman95
11-30-2007, 03:38 PM
Looks awesome here:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Picture5-1.png
The Guard
11-30-2007, 03:42 PM
If you can ignore all the neck articulation. It's like they sat down and went "What can we add to the suit's visuals that will distract people from every visual in turn"?
But my favorite element of the suit is how the cape no longer covers it as well.
Octoberist
11-30-2007, 03:43 PM
he does have a weird looking head.
fabman
11-30-2007, 03:43 PM
I love that shot where you can see what they're filming, with Batman in front of all those little screens. That looks awesome!
If they had changed the positioning of the ears, and the general shape of the cowl, then we wouldn't have the same "egg head" problem from BB.
Somebody said this before. His head looks like a lightbulb. I mean, ****, the neck looks like the metal base of one.
Octoberist
11-30-2007, 03:46 PM
you have to think that it's a shot that wasn't meant for the big screen. the camera is for the Today show, and it's at a view where it's not suppose to be shot at..
Milkman95
11-30-2007, 03:46 PM
No lenses in that shot, but from other sources he'll have them at some point in the film.
Hole Shot
11-30-2007, 03:54 PM
Remember Nolan, this guy likes the shadows (i wish this was an aspect he would grasp a little better)
You should check out movie called Batman Begins, there are these scenes at the docks and at Arkham where whoever made that film seemed to be only filmmaker to ever grasp that concept in a Batman movie.
you have to think that it's a shot that wasn't meant for the big screen. the camera is for the Today show, and it's at a view where it's not suppose to be shot at..
The Batsuit should be like a high end sports car. Looks good from every angle.
I guess that's not realistic though. How about at least one? *crosses fingers*
Octoberist
11-30-2007, 03:55 PM
i see what you're saying bunk.
I don't know..it looks better in motion then in screencaps, that's for sure.
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