Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Super Kal]

is that supposed to be a joke?...

[TRUE]

I'd say 90% of the time it looked great. There were just a number of shots where it didn't work so well - but I definitely like the basic look. It could use some tweaking, but I want that basic design kept intact, including the style of the mouth opening.

cosign 100%

[XCharlieX]

Yep that checks out.

[Bathead]

I would have liked a more comics oriented suit, but I liked the Begins suit just fine. However, refining it somewhat makes sense story-wise, I'm one of those that thinks the suit was meant to look cobbled together, and Nolan had every intention from the beginning to refine it as the trilogy progressed.

[Wams]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/DSCF1454.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Deco-Batsuit.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Batman-suit.jpg

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[Bathead]

Wams, what's that small figure just in front of the Begins costume?

[New Shh! user.]

the yellow oval is silly and uneccesary.

[Super Kal]

you know, I think a muted gold would look better than just a plain yellow...

[Wams]

Wams, what's that small figure just in front of the Begins costume?

model kit.

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[Wams]

the yellow oval is silly and uneccesary.

So is a man with a cape and cowl.

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[Bathead]

model kit.

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Who makes it, is it still available, and for how much?

[Wams]

Who makes it, is it still available, and for how much?

Nope.
Only three where made...:)

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[The Last Meatbag]

You should try designing a cloth over body armor bat-suit, Wams, that would totally kick ass :o

[Super Kal]

this is what I'd like to see suit wise for TDK... original artwork found on The Brotherhood of The Bat forums.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2102/batfinisheddc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Wams]

You should try designing a cloth over body armor bat-suit, Wams, that would totally kick ass :o

I have.;):up:


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[Wams]

this is what I'd like to see suit wise for TDK... original artwork found on The Brotherhood of The Bat forums.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2102/batfinisheddc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice! :) :up:



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[Super Kal]

believe it or not, that's my first atempt at the Batman suit, and I think I pulled it off quite well...

[XCharlieX]

Kakarot, better than the other versions of that drawing. That reminds me more of kilmers suit in forever.

[Super Kal]

lol, it just looks better and doesn't have any nipples...

[XCharlieX]

Yeah you take the shiny out, and remove the nipples, and make the belt black and its the forever costume, which i wish Keaton wore. That couldve been a cool costume for him if he did 3.

[New Shh! user.]

So is a man with a cape and cowl.

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The yellow oval is unnecesary.

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah **** a yellow oval

[The Kid]

Oval Dammit!

[Super_Ludacris]

Oval Lost!

[NHawk19]

Keep the oval off the suit.

[Fenrir]

The yellow oval looks too colorful, out of place and tacky as hell. :down:

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah you tell em, **** y'all oval lovers. Go hump an egg!

[Two-Face]

No yellow oval, this tyes in with previous Burton Bat movies. :down

[Steelsheen]

i preffer the non-oval version too but i cant understand all these animosity towards the Burton films :confused:

[Mr. Vice]

All I want to see is a black Bat insignia and I'll be fine.http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/grinser/grinning-smiley-004.gif

[BmAaTn3625]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/BATMAN_BEGINS20-20075.jpghttp://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/BATMAN_BEGINS20-20111.jpg

anybody else notice a change in the cowl a the end of the movie. I think the cowl looks bad ass at the end

[Wams]

anybody else notice a change in the cowl a the end of the movie. I think the cowl looks bad ass at the end

There is absolutely no change.

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[Saint]

It was just the lighting.

[69FinGers?]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/lxixska/tdk.jpg
This is what I want to see!! All I did was darken the mask and glove, remove the clasps, and make the abs more muscular than armor-like.. I did nothing to the grey areas. In fact, if you look at this and then look at the original I used, or most other shots, the costume kinda looks unfinished..

[Wams]

The yellow oval is unnecesary.

So is a cape and pointy things on the top of his head. (That
really don't look like Bat ears)
Who said the oval had to be bright yellow?
Why not gold,Bronze or copper?:confused:
Yellow is not a bad color.
You guy's who boo hoo the idea of Batman with the yellow oval
obviously don't like Batman and the medium and history he comes from.
So all you Superhero haters just go watch James Bond insted because
BATMAN is a "Comicbook Superhero."
Quit taking that idea away and have some fun.:)

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[Wams]

There is a slight change. His cowl is sharper at the end of the movie.


There is no way that they would RE-SCULPT another cowl just
for that last scene.:down

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[69FinGers?]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/lxixska/1.jpg
See what I mean??? (oh yeah I added some dark areas to the belt as well)

[Fenrir]

So is a cape and pointy things on the top of his head. (That
really don't look like Bat ears)
Who said the oval had to be bright yellow?
Why not gold,Bronze or copper?:confused:
Yellow is not a bad color.
You guy's who boo hoo the idea of Batman with the yellow oval
obviously don't like Batman and the medium and history he comes from.
So all you Superhero haters just go watch James Bond insted because
BATMAN is a "Comicbook Superhero."
Quit taking that idea away and have some fun.:)

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There are just as many Batman comics where he doesn't have the oval as compared to those where he does. The black symbol without the oval has been actually quite a significant part of Batman's comic book identity over the years.

[XCharlieX]

Heres a question.. why not just make the symbol dark grey?

[XCharlieX]

Same one.

[XCharlieX]

Oh "69FinGers?" your first one would work if the grey was darker. Just as long as theres no black underwear.

[Hotwire]

1st, I like the idea of lenses whiting out his eyes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/MyDesigns/Batmancowl3a.jpg
2nd, why not take some of the belt color and just do a thin outline around the bat symbol on his chest. Just to see how it looks.
Here's a good test subject.
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=333&sv=0a30050c&ip=18620282&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.batbase.com.br%2Ffilmes%2Fbatma n_begins%2Fbatman_begins61.jpg

[BatScot]

Heres a question.. why not just make the symbol dark grey?Because the correct color of the symbol is black, not gray.

[Two-Face]

1st, I like the idea of lenses whiting out his eyes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/MyDesigns/Batmancowl3a.jpg
2nd, why not take some of the belt color and just do a thin outline around the bat symbol on his chest. Just to see how it looks.
Here's a good test subject.
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=333&sv=0a30050c&ip=18620282&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.batbase.com.br%2Ffilmes%2Fbatma n_begins%2Fbatman_begins61.jpg


No lenses :down

We need to see actor's eyes which is important in a movie.

[XCharlieX]

Because the correct color of the symbol is black, not gray.

lol whatever. Wasnt really a complete idea anyway, more like question.

[Super Kal]

1st, I like the idea of lenses whiting out his eyes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/MyDesigns/Batmancowl3a.jpg
2nd, why not take some of the belt color and just do a thin outline around the bat symbol on his chest. Just to see how it looks.
Here's a good test subject.
http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=333&sv=0a30050c&ip=18620282&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.batbase.com.br%2Ffilmes%2Fbatma n_begins%2Fbatman_begins61.jpg
ugh, I cant stand those eyes...

[BmAaTn3625]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/BATMAN_BEGINS20-20111.jpghttp://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/batman-2.jpg

Now I know how many of you feel on lenses, I personally don't think they will be used in the next film, or any other film for that matter. However if they were used I think they should look more like this. I really think he looks badass with the eyes.

[Wams]

There are just as many Batman comics where he doesn't have the oval as compared to those where he does. The black symbol without the oval has been actually quite a significant part of Batman's comic book identity over the years.

Am I denying that fact and saying don't do the black bat on gray
because it sucks?
No.
Im not childish like that.
I just like variations on the theme.:up:
I don't like one vere the other.

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[Super Kal]

what did you guys/gals think of the batman begins belt buckle?

[Hotwire]

Ok, if no lenses, the whenever he takes off the cowl, don't let all that eye make-up magically disappear.

[E-Mack]

I disagree. In the previous films, the makeup was pretty obvious, but in BB I think they did a good job blending it in with the mask. Thus, I vote no black makeup. Not only does it look weird, but I just can't see Bats putting that on everytime he puts on that cowl.

[XCharlieX]

lol how about just sideswipe the entire issue, like begins did with a back of the head shot. Because i too would like to see the face paint if he took his mask off on camera.

[E-Mack]

Well I do want to see Bats w/o his mask though. I mean, can you even imagine just looking at him for more than a few seconds with big black spots around his eyes? And not feel a little weirded out by it?

[XCharlieX]

IF this is how his costume works in begins.. we have no idea except for that cowl that got cracked by Alfreds baseball bat.. it had the lids on strangely, i thought it was a silly blooper but it could be some kind of latex eyelid covering or whatever.

[E-Mack]

IF this is how his costume works in begins..
Well I just like to consider it movie-magic.

I mean if we were to go by how the suit is actually made, I'd hate to see Batman suit up in the film. Not only would it take 10 minutes, but we'd have to see 2 other guys help him get in that suit, turn on the liquid a/c and zip him up. Not very cool-looking. :o

[XCharlieX]

Well in filmverse its always easier designed than what it actually is.. 5 hrs of labor haha

[The Last Meatbag]

I have.;):up:


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Post it please :O

[Steelsheen]

what did you guys/gals think af the batman begins belt buckle?

what belt buckle? ;)

it looked utilitarian. i thought maybe it can contain some things, like a grapling hook and wire or maybe the kryptonite ring when the time comes. but it can certainly be improved on, since looking at the utility belt as a whole, it looked like it was the least worked on.

[E-Mack]

Did he even use it for anything other than a straddle for the grappling hook?

I preferred more traditional-looking pouches. :o

[Hades]

Since when waas Christian Bale cast as Batman, honesetly?

where the hell am I.:(

[XCharlieX]

Did he even use it for anything other than a straddle for the grappling hook?

I preferred more traditional-looking pouches. :o

He stored his stars there too i think.

I preferred the less busy look personally. Ironically Kilmers first suits black belt looked nice and sleak too.

[Compi716]

I for one would love to see Batman sitting at his computer doing something wearing the costume, but without the mask on.

[TrailerCues]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/batman-2.jpg


This Movie is Batman not Riddick

[lujho]

I think the cowl looks bad ass at the end

I think it looks bad and ass at the end. :)

[PWN3R]

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[PWN3R]

I for one would love to see Batman sitting at his computer doing something wearing the costume, but without the mask on.

He could be posting on a messageboard. About this so called "Batman"

Someguy could be like: This guy is a newb!1111one!lolz!

And Bruce would repy: "Im the goddamn Batman."

And then the camera pulls out, and reveals Bruce in his suit, sitting by a computer with the mask off. The credits start, the title "Dark Knight" appears on screen....



:)

[XCharlieX]

lmao.. batman.. the pc thug.

[bunk]

If the rumors are true they could be going in more of a Superman Returns Spiderman material for the costume. I guess don't really care either way. I am getting kind of tired of black rubber though. Looks like crap when it bunches up that neck and armpits. If Bale is going to put all that muscle on you might as well show it through the suit anyway.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/bale_suit.jpg

[batman44]

^nice.

[The Batman UK]

You draw that? Thats cool, good likeness too!

[Hotwire]

I have an idea on how to explain the black underwear on the big screen. Batman realizes he needs not only more support for his climbing harness, but also needs some added groin protection. So, the underwere adds both. I still don't like them, but... If you think about it, the only reason they are used on any character in the comics is to break up the color scheme.

[Hotwire]

Who ever did this originally, I like your idea.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/batman-2.jpg
But, I think it would work better if you whited out the whole thing. Like lenses. And for the haters of lenses, they would make the costume more faithfull, and would add eye protection or even the kinds of computer things they had in Batman Beyond.

[lujho]

If the rumors are true they could be going in more of a Superman Returns Spiderman material for the costume. I guess don't really care either way. I am getting kind of tired of black rubber though. Looks like crap when it bunches up that neck and armpits. If Bale is going to put all that muscle on you might as well show it through the suit anyway.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/bale_suit.jpg

Nice. I like the slightly pointed fingers on the gloves especially - I've always wanted to see them do something like that.

[bunk]

Thanks you guys. I can't just sit and wait for official release photos, I gotta try to imagine this stuff in the meantime. As for the undies is mostly to break up the color and give contrast. Although I hadn't thought about them as a possible harness or something that works too. I hope they make the cape and cowl the same shade of black this time. I don't like his to look so detached from his body, it should blend in with it.

[Wams]

Post it please :O

I can't.:(
It is for a book that has not seen
print yet.

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[Bathead]

Nicely done, bunk. Any chance you could do one with the cowl on?

[bunk]

Nicely done, bunk. Any chance you could do one with the cowl on?
Yeah, here it goes. I didn't change much, if it ain't broke and so on. I went with taller straighter ears and a less angled brow. I still like the idea of white contacts. Have you guys ever seen someone with white contacts? sh** is creepy.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/bale_cowl.jpg

[The Last Meatbag]

I can't.:(
It is for a book that has not seen
print yet.

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.........:(

[The Last Meatbag]

Yeah, here it goes. I didn't change much, if it ain't broke and so on. I went with taller straighter ears and a less angled brow. I still like the idea of white contacts. Have you guys ever seen someone with white contacts? sh** is creepy.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/bale_cowl.jpg

Super awesome dude :O

[Sun_Down]

I really like that look, bunk :up: I wouldn't be upset at all if it ended up looking like that.

[BmAaTn3625]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l34/DBLOUGH3625/batmanblo.jpg

Feeding off of what bunk did

[Steelsheen]

fantastic work Bunk :up: if they have to tweak anything about the suit, i'm hoping it would look like what you did :batty:

[XCharlieX]

Why do people insist so much on tights and underwear lol

Bunching up at Neck and armpits? Weve got far more troubles with this costume bunk lol

I prefer "69FinGers?" first one.

[Bathead]

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[Bathead]

And why do people like you insist on disrespecting a costume that's been a major part of the character for almost 70 years? Give it a rest.

[Saint]

And I still don't understand why so-called *fans* like you and your kind insist on disrespecting a costume that's been a part of the character for almost 70 years.And don't bother answering me XcharlieX, cuz I've seen all your reasons and they're all baloney.
It must be convenient to be able to deny all the opposing party's arguments before they're made. Don't get me wrong, I think pretty much everything Charlie says is laced with a very rich and potent form of stupidity, but in this case trying to fight fire with fire only results in catastophic brain cell loss for the rest of us.

[Bathead]

It must be convenient to be able to deny all the opposing party's arguments before they're made. Don't get me wrong, I think pretty much everything Charlie says is laced with a very rich and potent form of stupidity, but in this case trying to fight fire with fire only results in catastophic brain cell loss for the rest of us.
True enough. The reasons I said that was because he has made his disrespect for the source material quite clear, and I'm just a little tired of it. I'm just gonna have to learn a little self control. I apologize for stooping to that level.

[XCharlieX]

I think pretty much everything Charlie says is laced with a very rich and potent form of stupidity,

How do i respond to that? The guy just showed me underwear and i responded with the costume of grey and black that i preferred. there is absolutely nothing stupid about that.

if thats stupid here, id hate to see what you find logical.

We just started somethign again havent we?

Calling names is a sure way to get someone upset.

[Bathead]

It's not underwear. And you didn't just respond with stating your preference. You responded by ridiculing the costume, using terms like underwear and tights in a condescending and mocking manner. Which is how you deal with anyone who disagrees with you, by making fun and insulting them. You need to give respect in order to earn respect.

[Saint]

It's not disrespect. Over the years his costume has evolved in many ways; It never has stayed as the grey and black spandex for 70 years as you apparently think. We got a new version of the costume in Begins, one that someone would realistically wear if they were to fight crime. No one would fight the kind of crime in Gotham City wearing bright grey spandex.
Inevitably, the arguments of those who want and all black costume fall apart when they try to suggest the only alternative is "bright grey."

Indeed, the real truth of it is that the bodysuit and cowl of the Begins costume are already grey. What most of the black/grey supporters suggest is merely a slight tonal shift and black highlights where they appropriate (the symbols, gloves, etc.).

As I have said before, I only want the suit to pick a direction and stick to it. The Begins costume occupies an irritating middle ground between the traditional black and grey and the alternative all black. This middle ground is created because, as I said, the bulk of the costume is grey but it lacks the traditional black highlights (save for on the cape and gauntlets). I say either make the entire thing black or give the suit those highlights so it appears as the traditional black and grey.

[XCharlieX]

BTW, I'm not on XcharlieX's side or anything like that.

And what is it about my posts that are so off mark to separate yourself from me? if its due to these comic fans making a scene dont take that out on me. They snap at everything i disagree with.

I just got called stupid for my pov... I will defend myself.

[Saint]

I hope you're not serious. There are many shades of grey, dark and light, as with all colors. Looking at the comics, the majority of the time it's a bright grey on Batman spandex suit.
There is no such thing as bright grey, technically. Brightness is a result of colour saturation combined with lightness and grey has no saturation because it has no colour. There is light grey, but no bright grey.

[XCharlieX]

There is no such thing as bright grey, technically. Brightness is a result of colour saturation combined with lightness and grey has no saturation because it has no colour. There is light grey, but no bright grey.

As if anyones supposed to respect your pov now. Whatever. How about your povs are stupid then?

[Saint]

As if anyones supposed to respect your pov now. Whatever. How about your povs are stupid then?
Sure.

[XCharlieX]

I think pretty much everything Charlie says is laced with a very rich and potent form of stupidity, but in this case trying to fight fire with fire only results in catastophic brain cell loss for the rest of us.

Then practice what you preach unless youd like to start something. :down

Let the record show this remark came out of dead nowhere.

[Saint]

Technically, you're wrong.
There is a color called bright grey. I've bought fabrics before in that color, it exists.
The fact that the term exists does not mean the colour excists; it only means that people often misuse the term "bright." As I said, from a technical stadpoint there is no bright grey because brightness is created, in part, by saturation and grey has no saturation. Grey, simply, is the absence of colour saturation.

I understand if you don't want a light grey costume (who does?), I'm just pointing out that "bright" isn't correct temrinology.

[Bathead]

They're only responding in kind, Charlie. How can you expect to recieve respect for your "pov" when you show none for anyone else's. You stop calling people stupid for disagreeing with you, and they'll stop calling you stupid.

[Saint]

Then practice what you preach unless youd like to start something. :down

Let the record show this remark came out of dead nowhere.
Uh-huh.

[XCharlieX]

They're only responding in kind, Charlie. How can you expect to recieve respect for your "pov" when you show none for anyone else's. You stop calling people stupid for disagreeing with you, and they'll stop calling you stupid.

Bull. Check over what just happened. Some guy showed tights as a serious contender for an outfit, i showed my displeasure.. no name calling, nothing. That came after from someone else.

[Saint]

Bull. Check over what just happened. Some guy showed tights as a serious contender for an outfit, i showed my displeasure.. no name calling, nothing. That came after from someone else.

That is correct. What is incorrect is your assertion that I resorted to "namecalling". I did not call anyone names. What I did say is that you say stupid stuff. Often, and in rapid succession. That's how I feel--quite similar, actually, to how you feel tights are stupid.

Get over it.

[XCharlieX]

That is correct. What is incorrect is that I resorted to "namecalling. I did not call anyone names. What I did say is that you say stupid stuff. Often, and in rapid succession. That's how I feel--quite similar, actually, to how you feel tights are stupid.

Get over it.

You resorted to namecalling. You get over this... your povs are stupid. fair?

[Saint]

Then you get over this... your povs are stupid. fair?
An exceptionally clever response.

Oh, wait.

[XCharlieX]

That is correct. What is incorrect is your assertion that I resorted to "namecalling". I did not call anyone names. What I did say is that you say stupid stuff. Often, and in rapid succession. That's how I feel--quite similar, actually, to how you feel tights are stupid.

Get over it.

This isnt exactly shakespeare either pal.

[Saint]

This isnt exactly shakespeare either pal.
Perhaps I will perform better once I have a reasonably formidable opposition. In the interim, you will have to settle for the above.

[XCharlieX]

It's not underwear. And you didn't just respond with stating your preference. You responded by ridiculing the costume, using terms like underwear and tights in a condescending and mocking manner. Which is how you deal with anyone who disagrees with you, by making fun and insulting them. You need to give respect in order to earn respect.

I responded using what I know of the costume, which i know only as underwear and tights. If youd like to call it something else thats your issue, but you cant force me to say it how youd like me to. I have a right to call it what i feel it truly is.

What else does it look like. Theyre briefs and many people on the board even in superman forums call them that. Maybe where you come from thats called somethign else, but thats all i got for that piece of clothing, and i will not be namecalled into not using the term that i use for it. Just because you hold it of such high esteem doesnt mean my phrases have to change. Im not ignorant or anything, they clearly appear to be briefs and tights as far as im concerned. Just watch me use it again because thats my right and i dont need your drama over semantics. Its an incredibly stupid thing to get upset about and impedes on my rights as a poster.

And this server is really bad :down:

[XCharlieX]

Thank you.. they call it something else that nobody would think of calling it and i have to get hell because of it. Thats not my issue people.. thats yours and yours alone. Youre very inbred around here, the rest of us arent onto your exclusive lingo nor do we need to use it.

[E-Mack]

Well no one wants tights anyway, just a film translation ala SM.

[Saint]

Regardless of what it looks like, the costume is not "tights." It's body armour that is drawn like tights. That may not be a significant distinction to you, but in the comics it is extremely significant. The suit as described in the comics is made of kevlar, nomex and a steel mesh, with rubber areas for protection from electric shocks, in addition to other features. Indeed, the batsuit in the comics is much more than it appears.

[Saint]

Well no one wants tights anyway, just a film translation ala SM.
Ding ding, we have a winner.

[XCharlieX]

Firstly, whats SM?

[Saint]

Spider-Man.

[E-Mack]

Spider-Man. Or Superman if you like. Both can apply to my statement.

[XCharlieX]

Spiderman wears tights. I saw the film with my own 2 eyes lol

You may call it somethign else, but im not changing my term

[E-Mack]

I know it's not tights but body armor?
Source please?
Ultimate Guide to Batman. Also mentioned briefly in single issues of some random Batman stories. But those are hard to keep a track of. So best to stick to the guide that DC published.

[XCharlieX]

And yet to the naked eye they appear to the rest of us as tights and underwear. Just because theres more to it doesnt negate anything to this effect. Comics do suck you into the world and justify things, but this doesnt change common perception.

[E-Mack]

And yet to the naked eye they appear to the rest of us as tights and underwear. Just because theres more to it doesnt negate anything to this effect. Comics do suck you into the world and justify things, but this doesnt change common perception.
It's really only there for the people that insist on asking what Batman wears to protect himself. Ok, it looks like thin material, but it is what it is.

Regardless of what material they use, the movie-going audience is not going to be anal-retentive and question the suit all throughout the movie.

[Saint]

I know it's not tights but body armor?
Source please?
Do you not read Batman comics? The body armour has been a standard feature since DKR--where Batman pointed out the purpose of the batsymbol on his chest is to draw fire to the most heavily armoured part of the suit. Furthermore, his use of body armour has been documented as far back as his origin, where he was written to wear a kevlar vest underneath the costume.

Currently (and for the past decade) the suit is bullet and fire resistant, among other things, and examples of the armour on the suit can be seen in such recent examples as Jim Lee's art in "Hush" (where metal plating can be seen when the suit is torn) and on this cover (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Batbullet.jpg) from an issue of Batman written by Ed Brubaker and drawn by Scott McDaniel during the "Bruce Wayne: Fugitive" arc.

[E-Mack]

They will if they switch from the armor from the first one to spandex/tights.
Not if they keep the same look of the suit, as well as bulk/size. Or if they want, they can go through another explanation of why the material is safe. But it's no big deal.

Something as miniscule as fabric is not going to drive the audience crazy.

[Saint]

They will if they switch from the armor from the first one to spandex/tights.
Then consider it a happy coincidence that no one here has ever suggested the use of spandex tights.

[XCharlieX]

Do you not read Batman comics? The body armour has been a standard feature since DKR--where Batman pointed out the purpose of the batsymbol on his chest is to draw fire to the most heavily armoured part of the suit.

So whats the codpiece outside of the er...TIGHTS for? drawing fire from that region? Cmon. People have all of their piled up respect for comics fine, but where im from, its still underwear and tights essentially.

Then consider it a happy coincidence that no one here has ever suggested the use of spandex tights.

If wed like to call it somethign else thats not my eyes problem....

If the rumors are true they could be going in more of a Superman Returns Spiderman material for the costume. I guess don't really care either way. I am getting kind of tired of black rubber though. Looks like crap when it bunches up that neck and armpits. If Bale is going to put all that muscle on you might as well show it through the suit anyway.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/bale_suit.jpg

[E-Mack]

So whats the codpiece outside of the er...TIGHTS for?
It's simply the artists paying respect to the classic design. C'mon man, did you forget these costumes were done in the late 30s-early 40s? Are you honestly going to fault them? It's part of how Batman has always been drawn. They're not going to change it.

[Hades]

Regardless of what it looks like, the costume is not "tights." It's body armour that is drawn like tights. That may not be a significant distinction to you, but in the comics it is extremely significant. The suit as described in the comics is made of kevlar, nomex and a steel mesh, with rubber areas for protection from electric shocks, in addition to other features. Indeed, the batsuit in the comics is much more than it appears.
Yeah, but it always gets ripped so easily. And when it does, it's usually drawn like tights, at least the holes. I always thought in the comics he wore tights over a bullet proof vest, or some kind of long johns.

I mean I never liked that idea, I always wished it was more lik in the films. But eh, I'm confused.

[Saint]

So whats the codpiece outside of the er...TIGHTS for? drawing fire from that region? Cmon. People have all of their piled up respect for comics fine, but where im from, its still underwear and tights essentially.
The briefs are actually a harness. After all, Batman commonly scales buildings and grapples about the city, and as any rock cliimber or skydiver will tell you, a belt alone cannot function as a harness.

Despite the fact that you would like to believe the suit is a spandex set of tights, the source material refutes this. Much to my delight, the source material is more important than your mistruths.

[XCharlieX]

It's simply the artists paying respect to the classic design. C'mon man, did you forget these costumes were done in the late 30s-early 40s? Are you honestly going to fault them? It's part of how Batman has always been drawn. They're not going to change it.

Hey, comic fans jurisdiction i respect, when it comes to film jurisdiction i just do not agree with that.

[XCharlieX]

Despite the fact that you would like to believe the suit is a spandex set of tights, the source material refutes this. Much to my delight, the source material is more important than your mistruths.

Well on film, ones own two eyes are more important than your elaborate explanations. Its more true than you realize. it only refutes it in comics. Regular movie audiences label? tights and underwear. Theres no getting around this.

I just dont get how someone can say Superman or spiderman doesnt wear tights... thats just blatantly against millions of peoples own 2 eyes. Theyd surely be like "i dont care your reasons or explanation for it, its tights."

[E-Mack]

Hey, comic fans jurisdiction i respect, when it comes to film jurisdiction i just do not agree with that.
Fair enough, so where did that question come from? No one here really suggested that the codpiece/underwear was an integral part to the costume (for film).

[E-Mack]

IDK if you remember but they had a harness looking thing in BB in the same place as the brief looking harness from the comics, but Alfred and Bruce decided to cut the straps off. Guess they decided they didn't need it.
Yup. Good thing it's a movie, because cutting that thing off would be a stupid move. Your back would break before you even reached the top of wherever your destination is. :O

[XCharlieX]

Fair enough, so where did that question come from? No one here really suggested that the codpiece/underwear was an integral part to the costume (for film).

Its always sparked by a pic someone posts of the underwear for TDK. I'll always express my distaste.

And that word "underwear" as i just typed it came natural just now without thinking about it again. I naturally know it as underwear.

[Saint]

Well on film, ones own two eyes are more important than your elaborate explanations. Its more true than you realize. it only refutes it in comics. Regular movie audiences label? tights and underwear. Theres no getting around this.
The "regular movie audience" can go to hell. If the "regular movie audience" can suspend their disbelief enough to enjoy a movie about black guys disguised as white chicks, John Travolta and Nicholas Cage switching faces and a supervillain made entirely out of SAND, then I suspect they can do the same for a batcostume made in a similar fashion as the Spider-Man costume.

[E-Mack]

Its always sparked by a pic someone posts of the underwear for TDK. I'll always express my distaste.

And that word "underwear" as i just typed it came natural just now without thinking about it again. I naturally know it as underwear.
Well just know that's not what most of the people want anyway. So there's nothing to worry about.

[Saint]

IDK if you remember but they had a harness looking thing in BB in the same place as the brief looking harness from the comics, but Alfred and Bruce decided to cut the straps off. Guess they decided they didn't need it.
Of course I remember. It was a fallacy, but these things happen in fiction so one has to make allowances for them.

[El Payaso]

Anyone knows exactly since when the Bat-suit is refered as body armour in the comics?

[XCharlieX]

The "regular movie audience" can go to hell.

Well thats not what films are about are they? I dont believe in this. Movies arent just for a small amount of fanatics. One can justify quite elaborate things, doesnt mean everyone should allow it. Michael Jackson for one can justify anything, so he thinks. I dont agree with this. I personally think the art of it is to relate to people everywhere, not just a couple of people who have tons of years getting used to this abstract stuff and the rest are like wtf.

Well just know that's not what most of the people want anyway. So there's nothing to worry about.

Thank god. And those people would be the ones going wtf lol

[E-Mack]

Well thats not what films are about are they? I dont believe in this. Movies arent just for a small amount of fanatics. I personally think the art of it is to relate to people everywhere, not just a couple of people who have tons of years getting used to this abstract stuff and the rest are like wtf.



Thank god. And those people would be the ones going wtf lol
Again...the material being used is so miniscule. There is just no way in hell people will be going "WTF?" if they see a Spider-Man like suit. It just won't happen.

Notice how only the fanboys are the ones discussing this topic? The general audience couldn't care less about details like this.

[XCharlieX]

Again...the material being used is so miniscule. There is just no way in hell people will be going "WTF?" if they see a Spider-Man like suit.

Well looking at batmans dual interpretation (comicky, gritty) in general probably not, pertaining to chris nolans style, yeah thatd be odd coming from Begins. Theyd probably be thinking its using elements of cartoon territory.

[Saint]

Well just know that's not what most of the people want anyway. So there's nothing to worry about.
It's a bothersome issue. On the one hand, I support the trunks in the comics because visually they break up the grey body of the costume. From that standpoint, they are sound. The versions of the costume without the trunks have always appear odd to me--as if Batman were a naked grey person wearing a utility belt. The trunks add a fundamental weight to the whole costume that makes it appear more like an actual uniform, as opposed to a costume that was painted onto someone's body.

The movie is a different matter. while I would like to have that black area break up the costume, I think it's near impossibly to make the briefs look good on film. Probably a better idea to avoid them. Furthermore, the movie suit doesn't need that sense of weight added to it--it already has it.

In any case, despite all of this I have no powerful need to see a Spider-man-esque batsuit. I like the Begins suit very much (I just think it needs to be refined). I'm not certain a Spider-man-esque batsuit would fit in this series, but I would really like to see one in the next version of the franchise (which I would like to see lean more towards fantasy than realism--as I always say, not because I prefer one or the other, but because I like both).

[Saint]

Well thats not what films are about are they? I dont believe in this. Movies arent just for a small amount of fanatics. One can justify quite elaborate things, doesnt mean everyone should allow it. Michael Jackson for one can justify anything, so he thinks. I dont agree with this. I personally think the art of it is to relate to people everywhere, not just a couple of people who have tons of years getting used to this abstract stuff and the rest are like wtf.

He says, apparently not reading the rest of my post.

[XCharlieX]

He says, apparently not reading the rest of my post.

I read the beginning and ive heard it endless times over already. These arent valid reasons the slightest to me. They dont hold up... for example:

The "regular movie audience" can go to hell. If the "regular movie audience" can suspend their disbelief enough to enjoy a movie about black guys disguised as white chicks, ....and a supervillain made entirely out of SAND, then I suspect they can do the same for a batcostume made in a similar fashion as the Spider-Man costume.

If White chicks is your idea of something to compare this to, i really shouldnt take your points seriously. Spiderman is intentionally comic booky and doesnt give a damn. This is not what Nolan has done, according to my eyes, brain and ears while watching the film.

White chicks... what in the holy hell.... is anyone else laughing their ass off?

[E-Mack]

While the comparison is a bit off, I get his point. I have yet to see any sort of occassion, from any fantasy film where a person goes "awww c'mon, that CAN'T possibly happen!".

I mean..BB had a f'n cape that allowed Batman to fly. That imo is much more "Fantastical" than the suit we're suggesting.

[Saint]

I read the beginning and ive heard it endless times over already. These arent valid reasons the slightest to me. They dont hold up... for example:



If White chicks is your idea of something to compare this to, i really shouldnt take your points seriously. Spiderman is intentionally comic booky and doesnt give a damn. This is not what Nolan has done, according to my eyes, brain and ears while watching the film.

White chicks... what in the holy hell.... is anyone else laughing their ass off?
Very well, you would prefer examples closer to home? How about a microwave emitter that doesn't bugger up metal (hint: try microwaving a fork)? Or jets of steam that don't burn anyone? Or bodily water that isn't vapourized by the weapon? Memory fabric? Hell, the fact that the cape functioned at a glider at all is pushing it. Suspension of disbelief is a fact of film.

In any case, were you to read my posts more closely you would have already seen that I am not convinced a spider-man-esque batsuit would fit in this version of the series. I am only refuting the ridiculous notion that it doesn't work at all.

[XCharlieX]

While the comparison is a bit off, I get his point. I have yet to see any sort of occassion, from any fantasy film where a person goes "awww c'mon, that CAN'T possibly happen!".

I mean..BB had a f'n cape that allowed Batman to fly. That imo is much more "Fantastical" than the suit we're suggesting.

Well for directors you cant think that way if you are making this sort of style. I doubt nolan would do the costume, if not for the fact that it makes him look tacky to the audience. Yes, black thick armor looking bat costume ok, underwear negative. Its all the details that comic fans werent taught about in the comic realm that give them unlimited freedom with the fantasy elements. Not always so with film. Loopholes are fun, but they prove nothing with this style.

[E-Mack]

Its all the details that comic fans werent taught about in the comic realm that give them unlimited freedom with the fantasy elements. Not always so with film. Loopholes are fun, but they prove nothing with this style.
All the things Nolan ignored from the comics, were replaced with things just as impractical. Nothing about it was more real than the elements he chose to not adapt.

You can look at Saint's previous post for more examples, but the exoskeleton cape is the best example I can go by. That was something added in by Nolan, but while it was "grounded" with a military origin or whatever, it's still very much far away from reality. And it was explained in what, 15 seconds...tops?

Ultimately, this is a film. Anything they want to add in...they can. That whole scene with Bruce and Lucius was just an easy way of summarizing all the materials Bruce would eventually use for his suit. It wasn't even needed, but Nolan wanted to convince the audience. Fine. I don't see how any other things from the comics couldn't be done in the same way.


I can see how non-comic reading audience members would believe this for 2 reasons.

1-Batman has always glided using only his cape in the past movies and cartoons.

2-Its a high tech fabric made by Wayne Enterprises that showed it keeping in a certain shape when touched by a certain frequency.
Exactly my point on previous occassions. Obviously it doesn't take much to hook the audience in what you are creating. It just takes:

a) imagination

or

b) a little explanation

[XCharlieX]

How about a microwave emitter that doesn't bugger up metal (hint: try microwaving a fork)? Or jets of steam that don't burn anyone? Or bodily water that isn't vapourized by the weapon? Memory fabric? Hell, the fact that the cape functioned at a glider at all is pushing it. Suspension of disbelief is a fact of film.

Those are lame examples also because they are within this "realism" style.

In order to understand what a director like nolan may be doing, you have to accept that certain things are too comic specific and you must flat out have the courage to do whats necessary, so to speak. No questions, ifs ands or buts when its all said and done this way. But you guys are obviously not of this style. How do i know this? For a while now everytime we get into this debate, theres a loophole for everything which shows the familiarity with how a director like this makes decisions is very very low. With this style, there are no loopholes, no justifications, you get it, or you dont.

For example, I recall Jim Cameron again, one of the masters of this style. Hes known as the set *******. If you think you can do it better and he disagrees, take a walk hed say lol. On aliens they almost went on strike because the man is a visionary that doesnt compromise. Thats just wasting time they could use for getting it correct to their standards. Im sure many folks questioned him about fictional elements in his films, but that all means zero with this style. The craft is the balance of realism with this style, some that many folks are lost about. This is another language entirely you guys arent used to, and thats why theres a communication problem always.

I agree with this style. My pov is simply some stuff wouldnt work on film, with this style and all that i know of it.

Its pointless to explain because it sounds like jibberish to the folks who dont know it well, but i thought id give it a shot.

And this server is atrocious when replying.. anyone else noticing?

[bunk]

It's a bothersome issue. On the one hand, I support the trunks in the comics because visually they break up the grey body of the costume. From that standpoint, they are sound. The versions of the costume without the trunks have always appear odd to me--as if Batman were a naked grey person wearing a utility belt. The trunks add a fundamental weight to the whole costume that makes it appear more like an actual uniform, as opposed to a costume that was painted onto someone's body.

The movie is a different matter. while I would like to have that black area break up the costume, I think it's near impossibly to make the briefs look good on film. Probably a better idea to avoid them. Furthermore, the movie suit doesn't need that sense of weight added to it--it already has it.

In any case, despite all of this I have no powerful need to see a Spider-man-esque batsuit. I like the Begins suit very much (I just think it needs to be refined). I'm not certain a Spider-man-esque batsuit would fit in this series, but I would really like to see one in the next version of the franchise (which I would like to see lean more towards fantasy than realism--as I always say, not because I prefer one or the other, but because I like both).


Wow, what the hell happened? I wouldn't bother with the drawing if I knew this was the result. It's just an experiment. I heard the rumor of a possible different approach to the suit for Dark Knight and acted accordingly. My whole view is comparable to that of Saint's above. I figured Spidey and Supes worked on screen and mabey Bats would too. I have no real quams about the BB suit other then the aformentioned bunching and lack of good contrast. His cowl should be as dark as the cape and so should the emblem. Those are my requirements. Normally I would say no tights, no undies, no codpiece but we are talking about Nolan here so it's whatever. If we're discussing realism then the suit should look like kevlar. I don't look at spandex or rubber for that matter and think bulletproof/fireproof. I usually think "wow he probably smells like tires", and then "wow tires smell bad when they're on fire (poor Alfred). I wouldn't be suprised if the comic version didn't work onscreen. God knows the all black suit look like crap in the comics.

[XCharlieX]

Bunk, its not your fault so dont worry about it.

theres just folks who have no clue where im coming from with my povs. They make sense, but only to a certain type of person.

Once again before someone replies with pointing out something in batman begins to justify fusing it with other comic elements, there is a line there, and only some people have a knack for telling if one thing in context is more realistic than another. Just because some cannot tell does not mean this doesnt exist. It seems to me comic fans coming from their thought processes from comics especially are completely oblivious to this (so much that its shocking :eek: ) and its not their fault, but dont pretend it doesnt exist because it does and there are instinctive decisions made accordingly. its existed for a long time and will continue to far into the future, and they still wont understand it then either heh

[Saint]

Edit: forget it, I'm tired of going in circles with someone who clearly has no interest in actually reading my statements (like the ones where I repeatedly said a spider-man-esque costume wouldn't fit in Nolan's films). I guess I shouldn't be surprised, you are the one who started raving about underwear when BatScot was talking about a black and grey costume--how you connected those two things will forever be a mystery.

Charlie, you have fun thinking you have a special sixth sense for movies.

[E-Mack]

Why do most of these arguments always end in some form of "so and so doesn't understand me, so they're blind to the fact"? It comes off as ignorant.

It's like...we put thought into these things for nothing.

[XCharlieX]

As if its just me.. this style exists and many directors have done them, so dont pretend ive made it up just because you cant see what is done.

Even Ian McKellen didnt get it on the set of x-men, but singer laughed it off, and still did what he wanted to.

The fact of the matter is, you do not understand it, im not trying to be offensive, but its the painful truth. No offense whatsoever. its a communication gap.

[Saint]

To get things back on track, this should be the costume used in the sequel (with perhaps some streamlining to the abdomen):

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3551&stc=1&d=1154151605

[Saint]

As if its just me.. this style exists and many directors have done them, so dont pretend ive made it up just because you cant see what is done.

Even Ian McKellen didnt get it on the set of x-men, but singer laughed it off, and still did what he wanted to.

The fact of the matter is, you do not understand it, im not trying to be offensive, but its the painful truth. No offense whatsoever. its a communication gap.
Yeah, I wish I had the Movie-Sight. Snort.

[XCharlieX]

Are you talking about grey, because if its that dark, thats perfect.

Yeah, I wish I had the Movie-Sight. Snort.

And this is exactly why many film makers ignore these complaints etc. For this very fact. You dont acknowledge anything but think you know everything. Thats basically giving them no choice but to just create their vision.

[Saint]

Are you talking about grey, because if its that dark, thats perfect.
Of course I'm talking about the grey. The grey is the only thing on that suit that's any different from the original (aside from the cape attachment, which is also better).

[XCharlieX]

I have to ask, because that shot looks more like shiny black on dull black to show the symbol.

[E-Mack]

I have to ask, because that shot looks more like shiny black on dull black to show the symbol.
It's because of that cowl being the same color as the suit. Minor mistake. The original poster meant it to be as dark gray.

[XCharlieX]

Thats what i thought. Thx E-Mack.. i only remembered the intent of this "gray" from before.

[Saint]

The cowl is shiny black. The suit is grey.

[Herr Logan]

The briefs are actually a harness. After all, Batman commonly scales buildings and grapples about the city, and as any rock cliimber or skydiver will tell you, a belt alone cannot function as a harness.

Despite the fact that you would like to believe the suit is a spandex set of tights, the source material refutes this. Much to my delight, the source material is more important than your mistruths.

First off, this is not meant to discredit you or your intent. Just a correction for the sake of accuracy, which we need to hold a solid argument on this battlefield:

I actually don't think the trunks in the comics are a harness as of now (or at least as far as a few weeks ago... I haven't read comics for a little while now).
I know I came up with the idea of making it a harness (I'm not saying nobody else thought of that, but I hadn't heard of it before) for the movies, and also for future comics, and spread it around over the past couple years as something that should be done. There may be some confusion with it being canon stemming from it being mentioned here and there on the Hype. It's not in 'Batman: the Ultimate Guide to the Dark Knight,' so I assume it isn't canon. Yet.

Every piece of the Batman's costume has a practical purpose to go with its stylistic elements, except the trunks. That could be easily rectified by making it a custom-made harness built into Kevlar trunks (which actually makes it easier to pull on and off than a webbing harness and helps protect his blood vessels, hip bones and the Wayne family jewels better) that are secured to the utility belt with keepers (like police utility belts), thus making the suit even more realistic without sacrificing anything from the classic look. This last element makes the classic look airtight in terms of being practical.
You already stated why the Batman needs a harness, and there's absolutely no argument against that. A belt isn't enough, and anyone who says it is is a liar or completely ignorant of the most basic physics. I dare anything to put a belt around their waste-- whether or not they're wearing a thick protective suit underneath-- and try hanging from a rope connected to the belt alone. Go ahead. See whether you can keep it up.

People use creativity to justify the classic look and embue it with practicality (Frank Miller's idea of the yellow ellipse being a deliberate target to draw fire away from the face; the directional microphones in the cowl ears, which were already in the comics well before 'Batman Begins,' by the way; etc.).
People use cowardice and their desperate need to feel "cool" as reasons for putting down the classic look. God forbid they summon up enough self-respect to look their friends in the eyes and say "Who cares if he wears tights? Did you see what he did to those armed thugs all by himself?" People who are ashamed of being Batman fans probably shouldn't be speaking on the subject of what should or should not be in his movies.

:wolverine

[XCharlieX]

God forbid they summon up enough self-respect to look their friends in the eyes and say "Who cares if he wears tights? Did you see what he did to those armed thugs all by himself?" People who are ashamed of being Batman fans probably shouldn't be speaking on the subject of what should or should not be in his movies.

:wolverine

I actually do that, but not with batman, but with superman... hes a god. He wears underpants because his pops wanted him to show us what an actual superhero looks like imo.

if you can take a bullet to the eye and smash it, underpants you can wear lol

[E-Mack]

Meh...Batman is still a bigger bad-ass. :o

[XCharlieX]

The dude can lift a continent and turn time back and push planets where he wishes them to be. For batman my approach to him is drastically different. No mere man can wear that garb in live action imo lol

Theyre apples and oranges. I do prefer batman, but for the reasons theyre different from superman, including outfit.

[CConn]

If the rumors are true they could be going in more of a Superman Returns Spiderman material for the costume. I guess don't really care either way. I am getting kind of tired of black rubber though. Looks like crap when it bunches up that neck and armpits. If Bale is going to put all that muscle on you might as well show it through the suit anyway.The thing is...muscles really don't show through the Superman Returns material either. Nor Spider-Man or Fantastic Four's. They all need fake muscles worn under them.

[E-Mack]

Still, the way it's shown in those costumes are not only more comic accurate, but it does look more real-looking.

This'll sound slightly weird, but the muscles on the BB suit did look "fake".

[CConn]

Still, the way it's shown in those costumes are not only more comic accurate, but it does look more real-looking.Oh yeah, but the whole "they're wasting Bale's muscles!" (hey, that sounds weird too!) isn't really valid.

Unless you want to go with Paradoxium's idea of simply panting Bale's chest light gray. :o
This'll sound slightly weird, but the muscles on the BB suit did look "fake".It just looked like a rubber suit to me. Muscle or not.

[XCharlieX]

Still, the way it's shown in those costumes are not only more comic accurate, but it does look more real-looking.

This'll sound slightly weird, but the muscles on the BB suit did look "fake".

Theyre supposed to. Theres armor underneath, not his muscles. It would happen to be that the guy is also diesel underneath too. Great way to sell it imo :up:

BTW bunk, ill give you credit for the face in the drawing. Thats a good Bale.

[E-Mack]

Unless you want to go with Paradoxium's idea of simply panting Bale's chest light gray. :o
HOMG, don't tease me like that. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Ashamed/003.gif

Theyre supposed to. Theres armor underneath, not his muscles.
You mean on the surface...right?

[XCharlieX]

Encasing his entire torso: nomex. Wasnt the design obvious that the muscles on the chest were fake? As fake as the angry expression on the cowl.

[Saint]

First off, this is not meant to discredit you or your intent. Just a correction for the sake of accuracy, which we need to hold a solid argument on this battlefield:

I actually don't think the trunks in the comics are a harness as of now (or at least as far as a few weeks ago... I haven't read comics for a little while now).

You may very well be correct; I speak on second hand information. This is one of the few things Batman-related I cannot know for sure. I believed the idea came from the source material, but I may be mistaken.

I know I came up with the idea of making it a harness (I'm not saying nobody else thought of that, but I hadn't heard of it before) for the movies, and also for future comics, and spread it around over the past couple years as something that should be done. There may be some confusion with it being canon stemming from it being mentioned here and there on the Hype. It's not in 'Batman: the Ultimate Guide to the Dark Knight,' so I assume it isn't canon. Yet.
If it isn't in the guide, you're probably right. It would certainly be neat it a curent writer were to mention it, thus making it canon.

Every piece of the Batman's costume has a practical purpose to go with its stylistic elements, except the trunks. That could be easily rectified by making it a custom-made harness built into Kevlar trunks (which actually makes it easier to pull on and off than a webbing harness and helps protect his blood vessels, hip bones and the Wayne family jewels better)
Indeed, traditional harnesses are extremely uncomfortable and I suspect would put Batman at a persistent disadvantage, with straps open to grabbing or catching on things.

You already stated why the Batman needs a harness, and there's absolutely no argument against that. A belt isn't enough, and anyone who says it is is a liar or completely ignorant of the most basic physics. I dare anything to put a belt around their waste-- whether or not they're wearing a thick protective suit underneath-- and try hanging from a rope connected to the belt alone. Go ahead. See whether you can keep it up.
Yes, and apart from discomfort--and risk of injury--Batman is often forced to carry additional weight--other people, objects--and even the utility belt would be at risk of snapping if it were the only hting supporting the weight.

People use creativity to justify the classic look and embue it with practicality (Frank Miller's idea of the yellow ellipse being a deliberate target to draw fire away from the face; the directional microphones in the cowl ears, which were already in the comics well before 'Batman Begins,' by the way; etc.).
People use cowardice and their desperate need to feel "cool" as reasons for putting down the classic look. God forbid they summon up enough self-respect to look their friends in the eyes and say "Who cares if he wears tights? Did you see what he did to those armed thugs all by himself?" People who are ashamed of being Batman fans probably shouldn't be speaking on the subject of what should or should not be in his movies.

:wolverine
I agree entirely. I think oftentimes people are simply afraid to admit that they like or dislike something based on preference alone--they have to strain to discredit the opposing viewpoints. Case and point, people who like the oval argue it's a target, people who don't like the oval complain that it's not stealthy. In fiction, you can justify anything if you try hard enough, so I think sometimes you have to let aesthetics be the deciding factor. In the case of the batcostume, the fact that it has remained very much the same for nearly seventy years is evidence that it is, in fact, aesthetically sound.

I know people will argue that you or I are merely influenced by tradition, that we only favour the traditional look because it's what we remember, and while I can't speak for you I can certainly say that's not the case for me. I'm twenty years old, and the first Batman-related thing I ever saw was Burton's Batman. The black rubber Batman was the first and most frequent interpretation I saw for years. Hell, the first comic I bought was Batman Vs. Predator #3 in 1992, when I was six, and it featured a heavily armoured Batman wearing a eyeless helmet for a mask. By the time I actually started collecting comics regularly, Jean-Paul Valley was stomping around in a faceless armoured batsuit, and when Bruce Wayne came back he wasn't wearing the traditional briefs and his costume was all-black. Indeed, I was raised with decidedly unclassic versions of Batman, but I can say with certainty that my favourite version of the costume will always be the classic version (I personally prefer the no-oval look, but I like both looks), because it just plainly looks better.

There's a reason all the changes I described never stuck, and it isn't just tradition.

[XCharlieX]

Hell, the first comic I bought was Batman Vs. Predator #3 in 1992,

Get out lol... wtf... :eek:

Not to offend anyone but this is another reason comics arent my thing. They even had superman vs terminator! lmao

[Fenrir]

I actually prefer many of the elements introduced in the Batman films to those of the comics. For starters, I'll always be a bastion of the all-black look no matter what anyone says. To me, it just looks infinitely more cool than the grey-black combination. Secondly, I am a big, big fan of the idea about Batman's suit being based on a special-ops wetsuit that has armor in key places instead of some kevlar-nomex weave thingmajig. Simply because it seems more plausible to me.

I don't believe anyone should be chastised for wanting Batman's look to be a bit different from the comics. The character has appeared in many different mediums and for many, like myself, our first major introduction was through the Burton films and that's what our aesthetical perception of the character is primarily based on. It sounds a bit too self-important, haughty and condescending on part of comic book fans to put down many good design elements of Batman's look in the films simply because it's not in confirmity with the comics. Either way you put it, it's still a visual component which is, at the end of the day, very much subjective to personal preferences.

[Herr Logan]

The best way to give a comics-accurate Batsuit that best shows off muscle is to do it the same way they did in the Spider-Man movies. There was muscle padding underneath the neoprene bodysuit, and the coloring included extra dark shading in a pattern that accentuated a muscular physique. That design in and of itself looked very fake, but isn't actually very noticable as such because of the intricate fake texture pattern of the body suit and the rubber web pattern.
For the Batman, it would be a plain, dark gray neoprene bodysuit over muscle padding, and the shading would probably come off as subtle no matter what on a dark gray suit as long as it was a gradient and not solid all the way through. That would work fine.

Personally, I would have a scene with the Batman pulling off his suit top (even if the real suit used was a catsuit with a zipper in back, a separate two-piece costume could be used for one or two scenes) and showing that he wears a custom-made, very thin, bulletproof vest shaped like his own musculature.



Back to the trunks/harness for a minute:
The harness would have a sturdy belt running through the top, which is what the utility belt would be connected to when the costume's all put together. The way a police officer's belt stays in place is that they use detachable straps usually made of leather or nylon with snaps called "keepers" to secure the outer duty belt to the trouser belt, called "inner belt." This keeps the duty belt in line with the pants, basically.

Inner Belt:
http://www.chiefsupply.com/images/products/200/BC177.jpg

Duty Belt:
http://www.chiefsupply.com/images/products/200/2212.jpg

Keepers:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:eurUsafH6HXiyM:http://hoods.biz/images/563.jpg


The way this should work for the Batman's harness is that there would be a series of keepers attached to the harness itself all around the top, hanging over the front. The keepers would be spaced according to the design of the utility belt (in this situation, it's a new one), which has spaces in between the pouches so that the keepers can run in between. Instead of metal snaps there should be a more secure system for the keepers, such as a series of small ratchet-clamps, similar to those that secure the plastic straps on ski boots. These would be below the belt-line, and the keepers (the bottom portions of which would be sturdy strips of material that can catch in a racheting mechanism) would feed into them from above. This is faster and more practical than using a belt notch system for every keeper.


Here's a pixture of a harness labeled a Special Ops Rappelling Harness (http://www.pointshop.com/Mall/Catalog/Product/ASP/product-id/672121/store-id/1000044733.html).http://www.pointshop.com/id-180/imgupload/297.jpg
This is almost the perfect shape for sewing into a pair of trunks, and doing so would make it easier to put on and remove quickly without tangling, as well as being less likely to catch on things and be grabbed by enemies in a close-up fight, as Saint pointed out.


:wolverine

[E-Mack]

Secondly, I am a big, big fan of the idea about Batman's suit being based on a special-ops wetsuit
That statement applies more to the Spider-Man suit than it does Batman's. As seen in BB, the suit was the farthest thing from a wetsuit, it was more like a solid armorplate.

instead of some kevlar-nomex weave thingmajig.
And you just described BB's suit.

Make up your mind man. :o

[Fenrir]

That statement applies more to the Spider-Man suit than it does Batman's. As seen in BB, the suit was the farthest thing from a wetsuit, it was more like a solid armorplate.


And you just described BB's suit.

Make up your mind man. :o

I didn't say anything about the wetsuit idea being integrated in BB. That's how I want it to be, not that it's been done before in BB or any other film. :confused:

[E-Mack]

I didn't say anything about the wetsuit idea being integrated in BB. That's how I want it to be, not that it's been done before in BB or any other film. :confused:
Then why is your post stating you prefer the film version of the suit over the comic book look? That IS what you were stating, right?

[Herr Logan]

You may very well be correct; I speak on second hand information. This is one of the few things Batman-related I cannot know for sure. I believed the idea came from the source material, but I may be mistaken.


If it isn't in the guide, you're probably right. It would certainly be neat it a curent writer were to mention it, thus making it canon.

I'd love it if it were made canon. it would make the entire costume practical as well as stylish. Stylish for what he does for a living, anyway. You know what I mean.


Indeed, traditional harnesses are extremely uncomfortable and I suspect would put Batman at a persistent disadvantage, with straps open to grabbing or catching on things.

Yes, and apart from discomfort--and risk of injury--Batman is often forced to carry additional weight--other people, objects--and even the utility belt would be at risk of snapping if it were the only hting supporting the weight.

Excellent points about the catching and grabbing and the load-bearing.

The other main advantage is that it adds more protection. The Batman's costume needs more mobility than it needs armor, since the Batman is fast and agile enough to avoid most gunfire and melee attacks. I don't think the entire Batsuit is reinforce with Kevlar. I think the lower half is mainly just Nomex, while the central torso has Kevlar and possibly ceramic plates. To paraphrase Movie!R'as, "Armor your chest. Your arms will take care of themselves."
Certain areas should have more protection. The pelvic region is one of them. There's a lot of valuable stuff down there besides the Wayne family jewels, like hip bones and the intersection for lots of major blood vessels. As long as the lower borders are cut high enough so that he can freely use his legs as a martial artist, gymnast and acrobat, it should be fine.

I agree entirely. I think oftentimes people are simply afraid to admit that they like or dislike something based on preference alone--they have to strain to discredit the opposing viewpoints. Case and point, people who like the oval argue it's a target, people who don't like the oval complain that it's not stealthy. In fiction, you can justify anything if you try hard enough, so I think sometimes you have to let aesthetics be the deciding factor. In the case of the batcostume, the fact that it has remained very much the same for nearly seventy years is evidence that it is, in fact, aesthetically sound.

I know people will argue that you or I are merely influenced by tradition, that we only favour the traditional look because it's what we remember, and while I can't speak for you I can certainly say that's not the case for me. I'm twenty years old, and the first Batman-related thing I ever saw was Burton's Batman. The black rubber Batman was the first and most frequent interpretation I saw for years. Hell, the first comic I bought was Batman Vs. Predator #3 in 1992, when I was six, and it featured a heavily armoured Batman wearing a eyeless helmet for a mask. By the time I actually started collecting comics regularly, Jean-Paul Valley was stomping around in a faceless armoured batsuit, and when Bruce Wayne came back he wasn't wearing the traditional briefs and his costume was all-black. Indeed, I was raised with decidedly unclassic versions of Batman, but I can say with certainty that my favourite version of the costume will always be the classic version (I personally prefer the no-oval look, but I like both looks), because it just plainly looks better.

There's a reason all the changes I described never stuck, and it isn't just tradition.

It's hard for me to say how much influence "tradition" itself has on my stance on this issue.

I believe in accuracy and truthful representation. Certain costumes need to be almost perfectly similar to what they are in the comics. Spider-Man, Superman and Captain America are at the top of the list when it comes to this.

I believe in getting the full package. Yes, characterization is the most important thing, but I don't see why it needs to be one or the other. Why not have it all? If you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars to make a piece of art, it's the moral responsibility of the filmmakers to make the best film possible without lying to the audience (lying as in misrepresenting the characters, such as changing their personalities or making too many changes to their appearance while still calling them by the names of pre-existing characters). That money could be solving actual life problems for many people, but instead is being used for entertainment. As a person who appreciates good art (I only enjoy certain art, but I respect the general concept of talent, hard work and creation put together to make exceptional art), I'm okay with this, if the filmmakers do the best they can do. Yes, I realize there are higher-ups on every level who make decisions that most of the crew can't do anything about, but I don't see myself giving a damn about that or taking it as an excuse any time soon. Everyone involved should be doing what they can to make the most faithful and highest general quality adaptation while turning a profit. None of these three different aspects need to be overmuch at odds with each other. It can be balanced, if you have imagination, skill, resources, and a decent set of balls on you.

I believe in the imagination and creativity of human beings. I think it's a far more worthy venture to actually bring the characters to life off the page whenever possible. Yes, I'm willing to accept certain costumes' hopelessness as perfect duplicates... my concept for Wolverine's original costume in a film is made over so that it keeps the exact same pattern design but substitutes orange for yellow and black for blue, which I think is a fair compromise.

I believe in not taking the easy way out when it comes to superhero costumes, and I don't believe in watering down superheroes with childish perceptions of what's "cool." I was surprised they didn't change the Batman's cape into a black trenchcoat, considering the kind of laziness and attempted trendiness seen in other superhero adaptations. Hell, I wear a black trenchcoat in the winter, and I wear all black when it's cold. Doesn't mean I want to see that in a superhero. It works for the Punisher. It doesn't work for Cyclops.

:wolverine

[Saint]

I actually prefer many of the elements introduced in the Batman films to those of the comics. For starters, I'll always be a bastion of the all-black look no matter what anyone says. To me, it just looks infinitely more cool than the grey-black combination. Secondly, I am a big, big fan of the idea about Batman's suit being based on a special-ops wetsuit that has armor in key places instead of some kevlar-nomex weave thingmajig. Simply because it seems more plausible to me.

I don't believe anyone should be chastised for wanting Batman's look to be a bit different from the comics. The character has appeared in many different mediums and for many, like myself, our first major introduction was through the Burton films and that's what our aesthetical perception of the character is primarily based on. It sounds a bit too self-important, haughty and condescending on part of comic book fans to put down many good design elements of Batman's look in the films simply because it's not in confirmity with the comics. Either way you put it, it's still a visual component which is, at the end of the day, very much subjective to personal preferences.
It's not about belittling people for prefering the movie look--quite the opposite. It is more often the fans of the comic look who are belittled when they try and suggest the traditional suit can be done on screen. I have no problem if somebody likes the movie look, I just find it really annoying when they argue the alternative is "silly" or "campy" or whatever else.

Personally, I am of the position that both looks are acceptable. I think the Begins costume is great. The reason I am arguing in this instance in defense of the comic book look is because people continue to claim that it can't be done on screen, which I think is ridiculous. I do believe that at this point (since the Begins suit has been established) using the Spider-man-esque batsuit described by Logan in the Nolan series wouldn't work, but I also believe that same suit would work extremely well in a future reboot of the franchise.

It's a matter of being reasonable, really. A lot of people on this board need to realize that they can like something without having to utterly degrade and insult the alternative (and the people who support said alternative). I am pleased to occupy a middleground where I like both looks.

[Fenrir]

Then why is your post stating you prefer the film version of the suit over the comic book look? That IS what you were stating, right?

I said I prefer many elements from the film suits, not the entire suits themselves. The first pic I saw of the BB suit, it appeared to give the impression of a wetsuit that is armored in key places (even though it's not). I thought it was a much better idea than either rubber, kevlar, nomex, spandex or whatever.

[Fenrir]

It's not about belittling people for prefering the movie look--quite the opposite. It is more often the fans of the comic look who are belittled when they try and suggest the traditional suit can be done on screen. I have no problem if somebody likes the movie look, I just find it really annoying when they argue the alternative is "silly" or "campy" or whatever else.

Personally, I am of the position that both looks are acceptable. I think the Begins costume is great. The reason I am arguing in this instance in defense of the comic book look is because people continue to claim that it can't be done on screen, which I think is ridiculous. I do believe that at this point (since the Begins suit has been established) using the Spider-man-esque batsuit described by Logan in the Nolan series wouldn't work, but I also believe that same suit would work extremely well in a future reboot of the franchise.

It's a matter of being reasonable, really. A lot of people on this board need to realize that they can like something without having to utterly degrade and insult the alternative (and the people who support said alternative). I am pleased to occupy a middleground where I like both looks.

I guess that's how people are on messageboards I believe. Everywhere I see on this site someone's reaching for the other's throat for disagreeing with or belittling his opinion. Perhaps people are a lot more confrontational on the internet than in real life simply because there are no consequences.

Anyways, I won't be happy if the "comic book look" is used in any future Batman films, simply because I don't like it. Ask me, I think they should integrate many of the costume changes from the movies into the comics so all this pointless debating is over and done with. But hey that's just me so...:dry:

[Saint]

I'd love it if it were made canon. it would make the entire costume practical as well as stylish. Stylish for what he does for a living, anyway. You know what I mean.




Excellent points about the catching and grabbing and the load-bearing.

The other main advantage is that it adds more protection. The Batman's costume needs more mobility than it needs armor, since the Batman is fast and agile enough to avoid most gunfire and melee attacks. I don't think the entire Batsuit is reinforce with Kevlar. I think the lower half is mainly just Nomex, while the central torso has Kevlar and possibly ceramic plates. To paraphrase Movie!R'as, "Armor your chest. Your arms will take care of themselves."
Certain areas should have more protection. The pelvic region is one of them. There's a lot of valuable stuff down there besides the Wayne family jewels, like hip bones and the intersection for lots of major blood vessels. As long as the lower borders are cut high enough so that he can freely use his legs as a martial artist, gymnast and acrobat, it should be fine.



It's hard for me to say how much influence "tradition" itself has on my stance on this issue.

I believe in accuracy and truthful representation. Certain costumes need to be almost perfectly similar to what they are in the comics. Spider-Man, Superman and Captain America are at the top of the list when it comes to this.

I believe in getting the full package. Yes, characterization is the most important thing, but I don't see why it needs to be one or the other. Why not have it all? If you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars to make a piece of art, it's the moral responsibility of the filmmakers to make the best film possible without lying to the audience (lying as in misrepresenting the characters, such as changing their personalities or making too many changes to their appearance while still calling them by the names of pre-existing characters). That money could be solving actual life problems for many people, but instead is being used for entertainment. As a person who appreciates good art (I only enjoy certain art, but I respect the general concept of talent, hard work and creation put together to make exceptional art), I'm okay with this, if the filmmakers do the best they can do. Yes, I realize there are higher-ups on every level who make decisions that most of the crew can't do anything about, but I don't see myself giving a damn about that or taking it as an excuse any time soon. Everyone involved should be doing what they can to make the most faithful and highest general quality adaptation while turning a profit. None of these three different aspects need to be overmuch at odds with each other. It can be balanced, if you have imagination, skill, resources, and a decent set of balls on you.

I believe in the imagination and creativity of human beings. I think it's a far more worthy venture to actually bring the characters to life off the page whenever possible. Yes, I'm willing to accept certain costumes' hopelessness as perfect duplicates... my concept for Wolverine's original costume in a film is made over so that it keeps the exact same pattern design but substitutes orange for yellow and black for blue, which I think is a fair compromise.

I believe in not taking the easy way out when it comes to superhero costumes, and I don't believe in watering down superheroes with childish perceptions of what's "cool." I was surprised they didn't change the Batman's cape into a black trenchcoat, considering the kind of laziness and attempted trendiness seen in other superhero adaptations. Hell, I wear a black trenchcoat in the winter, and I wear all black when it's cold. Doesn't mean I want to see that in a superhero. It works for the Punisher. It doesn't work for Cyclops.

:wolverine


I agree, for the most part. I thinks superhero costumes are an extremely tricky business because, from time to time, there are things that simply cannot be worked out in live action. For example, the fact that Spider-man's mask can squint in the comics is simply not going to work on screen. But as I explained in my post in the Batman Haven, most things--like costumes--can be accounted for if the film world is sufficiently stylized and removed from our own. The world has to fit the costume.

I am not opposed to change. As I have said, I like the Begins costume (though I expect it to be refined for TDK) and although it is not the costume I would have designed, I like to see things that are new. I have a line, of course, where the change becomes too much, and fortunately the Begins costume has not crossed that line.

However, as I said, I like to see new things, and really, a traditional batcostume on film would be new. That's what we haven't seen, and really the best thing that remains to be seen. In the context of Nolan's films I am not convinced it would work--but I allow for the possibility it might--so I elect to say Nolan should do what works for his films (and the Begins costume does work for his films very well) and when he is done, let the next director make films where the traditional batcostume WILL work.

[lujho]

Yeah, here it goes. I didn't change much, if it ain't broke and so on.
http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/bale_cowl.jpg

Yes you did - those are significant changes to the cowl and it's a vast improvement, IMO.

[Saint]

I think the changes to the brow were a mistake.

Here's something from an old, old poster that I think everyone needs to look at. Back in the day this was probably the most popular fan design for the batsuit, and you can surely see why:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9861/batmanintimidationgameno4.jpg

[lujho]

Encasing his entire torso: nomex.

What gets me is that Nomex is actually a fireproof cloth fabric and not armour at all. A nomex suit would look like... tights. Something like the Fantastic Four costumes, maybe.

Instead of the nonsensical mumbo-jumbo Lucious fox gives (a nomex suit that is somehow armour and also contains kevlar) the suit logically should have been Nomex woven fabric over kevlar solid armour, because the 2 materials are entirely separate in form and function.

[Octoberist]

why do people like the 'white lenses' again? I've always thought initially, the white eyes was just an artistic take to make Batman look scary or supernatural.

It's not like the Ninja Turtles or Wolverine had lenses..

[XCharlieX]

What gets me is that Nomex is actually a fireproof cloth fabric and not armour at all. A nomex suit would look like... tights. Something like the Fantastic Four costumes, maybe.

Instead of the nonsensical mumbo-jumbo Lucious fox gives (a nomex suit that is somehow armour and also contains kevlar) the suit logically should have been Nomex woven fabric over kevlar solid armour, because the 2 materials are entirely separate in form and function.

I think perhaps he meant the entire outfit. Apparently Nolans Nomex looks nothing like Nomex.. god that guys good.

[Herr Logan]

It is canon fact that the Batman wears lenses in his mask. For Wolverine and the Ninja Turtles it's merely artistic, but they've upgraded the Batman costume over the years (without changing the design, in the long run) so that almost every stylistic element of the costume has a practical purpose, usually through high tech means (ex. the Bat ears contain audio enhancing equipment).
The lenses in his mask offer night vision and possibly thermal and/or infrared vision. The reason I'm unsure of the thermal and IR vision is because my 'Ultimate Guide to the Dark Knight' is buried somewhere and I know his binoculars have those functions, and he may or may not have them in both sets of ocular equipment.

If people want their fake "realism" and a high-tech, practical costume, night vision lenses that toggle on and off are a pretty good thing for a man to have if does vigilante work at night and tends to kill the lights before a fight.
That last part wasn't meant to be a poem, by the way. :o

:wolverine

[XCharlieX]

If people want their fake "realism" and a high-tech, practical costume, night vision lenses that toggle on and off are a pretty good thing for a man to have if does vigilante work at night and tends to kill the lights before a fight.
That last part wasn't meant to be a poem, by the way. :o

:wolverine

Perhaps, but didnt batman forever do something like that?

[Herr Logan]

I agree, for the most part. I thinks superhero costumes are an extremely tricky business because, from time to time, there are things that simply cannot be worked out in live action. For example, the fact that Spider-man's mask can squint in the comics is simply not going to work on screen. But as I explained in my post in the Batman Haven, most things--like costumes--can be accounted for if the film world is sufficiently stylized and removed from our own. The world has to fit the costume.

I agree, and that was an excellent post you made. :up:

I am not opposed to change. As I have said, I like the Begins costume (though I expect it to be refined for TDK) and although it is not the costume I would have designed, I like to see things that are new. I have a line, of course, where the change becomes too much, and fortunately the Begins costume has not crossed that line.

However, as I said, I like to see new things, and really, a traditional batcostume on film would be new. That's what we haven't seen, and really the best thing that remains to be seen. In the context of Nolan's films I am not convinced it would work--but I allow for the possibility it might--so I elect to say Nolan should do what works for his films (and the Begins costume does work for his films very well) and when he is done, let the next director make films where the traditional batcostume WILL work.

I'm opposed to changes of a certain degree, but at the same time I do like seeing some new things. I've felt myself become more open to change (not necessarily of the changes in movies made so far, but hypothetical changed I might make) and worried that I'm losing my previous beliefs. I think there's a compromise that can be made, as long as it's not too much of a compromise.

I am not opposed to change. As I have said, I like the Begins costume (though I expect it to be refined for TDK) and although it is not the costume I would have designed, I like to see things that are new. I have a line, of course, where the change becomes too much, and fortunately the Begins costume has not crossed that line.

It's sitting right on the line as far as I'm concerned. I just don't think it looks all that good, and it certainly isn't the best they can do.

:wolverine

[Super_Ludacris]

why do people like the 'white lenses' again? I've always thought initially, the white eyes was just an artistic take to make Batman look scary or supernatural.

It's not like the Ninja Turtles or Wolverine had lenses..


I tried explaining that to these dudes back in April lol. I guess they want there movie to look like there manips or something so they can brag about **** and hope to get some pussy out of it by saying "Hey I did pre-production design on the movie" lol. Nah I'm playing, I dont know I think there just looking for something different so it can visually look more comic-book like. But it doesnt need to be and I thought it would look a bit too out of place given Nolan's realism angle with the movies. But who knows

[Herr Logan]

Perhaps, but didnt batman forever do something like that?

If I remember correctly, I think it was only in one scene when the Batman was setting up his aim for throwing that batarang into the Riddler's big brain machine. It couldn't have been night vision lenses, since there was too much light and would have blinded him. It was some kind of guidance program, I think.

The Batman in the comics has some sort of navigational system and very complex computer hookup in his headset (check out the first pages of the storyline 'Hush' to see it), and I don't even need anything that fancy in the first couple movies of a Batman franchise that starts from the beginning of his career. I do want to see blank eyes and night/thermal vision, though. It makes more sense for what he's doing.

People argue that the actor needs his eyes to be effective and/or scary. An actor who can't use body language and voice well enough to be the Batman shouldn't be in the role. Also, I know from personal experience that people get scared when they can't see your eyes. I had to wear mirrored sunglasses 24/7 for several weeks because they were my only prescription glasses that were good and Lens Crafters kept screwing up my clear pair's prescription. While working as a cashier, one customer wouldn't even stand in front of me while I wore them. Stupid ***** made me squint to see my computer. Superstitious and cowardly, she was. If I was 6'2" and wearing a bat costume, that customer would have left the store. If she had done something illegal and expected to be punished for it, she would have skipped town. That's why I know it would work for the Batman. One, it's fiction, and two, it's got a basis of truth in reality.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I think the changes to the brow were a mistake.

Here's something from an old, old poster that I think everyone needs to look at. Back in the day this was probably the most popular fan design for the batsuit, and you can surely see why:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9861/batmanintimidationgameno4.jpg

Very nice. :up:

I always did like the Burton cowls better. 'Batman Returns' had the best cowl in my view, although I prefered the body armor from 'BATMAN' as it looked more organic.

I can even settle for a mere outline of a bat symbol if they would just give him a damn cloth costume and actually do the work of bring the comic to life. The man needs to move, and heavy armor just isn't in the Batman's exercise program.

:wolverine

[XCharlieX]

See, with that whole nightvision thing, now youre thinking like us there ;) :up:

Not that he should use it all the time though. The eyes are very important imo for the bulk of a batman film, but say steiss wanders into another shipping container lol.

[lujho]

I think the changes to the brow were a mistake.


I personally think the cowl's "face" would benefit greatly by lowering the brows. I think the Begins cowl as it is looks vaguely surprised.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/Bateyes.gif

[kal-el1990]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/DECObatman1.jpg

Here is another version..

hell yea i would love that in tdk!!

[CConn]

Very nice. :up:

I always did like the Burton cowls better. 'Batman Returns' had the best cowl in my view, although I prefered the body armor from 'BATMAN' as it looked more organic.

I can even settle for a mere outline of a bat symbol if they would just give him a damn cloth costume and actually do the work of bring the comic to life. The man needs to move, and heavy armor just isn't in the Batman's exercise program.

:wolverineUnless you're reading DKR. :o

[bunk]

Although I do like the BB suit for the most part, I have to admit I was a little disapointed when the movie dropped and I saw yet another black rubber suit. It blows the others away but I was expecting Nolan to try something new, if anything just to distance BB from the previous couple movies. If you look at the '89 suit its really more like plastic then anything.
http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/89suit.jpg
It looks more like armor but less high tech the BB. Which cape material do yuns like more? Leathery or velvety? I figured its been 15 years, Nolan is gonna do something different. But he didn't really, he kept with what was already working. At this point I'd be suprised if he changed it drastically, and I'd be interested to know what could've possibly happened after BB came out to change his viewpoint. Although it would make sense for Bruce to have more designs developed. You know, for the company, not like it's for him or anything.

[Herr Logan]

Unless you're reading DKR. :o

When Superman shows up in one of Nolan's Batman movies, I'll be more than understanding if the Batman wears heavy armor when beating him down. :mad:

:wolverine

[lujho]

Although I do like the BB suit for the most part, I have to admit I was a little disapointed when the movie dropped and I saw yet another black rubber suit. It blows the others away but I was expecting Nolan to try something new, if anything just to distance BB from the previous couple movies. If you look at the '89 suit its really more like plastic then anything.
http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/89suit.jpg
It looks more like armor but less high tech the BB. Which cape material do yuns like more? Leathery or velvety? I figured its been 15 years, Nolan is gonna do something different. But he didn't really, he kept with what was already working. At this point I'd be suprised if he changed it drastically, and I'd be interested to know what could've possibly happened after BB came out to change his viewpoint. Although it would make sense for Bruce to have more designs developed. You know, for the company, not like it's for him or anything.

I think a very large reason they went with the tried and tested black rubber stuck to an undersuit routine was limited timeframe - they needed to design and make a suit quickly, they didn't have a lot of time for experimentation and finding something new. Let's not forget - a lot of the people who had made the suit had worked on the previous batman suits - they got guys who they knew could knock a suit up quickly using techniques they were well versed in.

I wish they had had more time to develop something more original though.

[Super Kal]

Although I do like the BB suit for the most part, I have to admit I was a little disapointed when the movie dropped and I saw yet another black rubber suit. It blows the others away but I was expecting Nolan to try something new, if anything just to distance BB from the previous couple movies. If you look at the '89 suit its really more like plastic then anything.
http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/89suit.jpg
It looks more like armor but less high tech the BB. Which cape material do yuns like more? Leathery or velvety? I figured its been 15 years, Nolan is gonna do something different. But he didn't really, he kept with what was already working. At this point I'd be suprised if he changed it drastically, and I'd be interested to know what could've possibly happened after BB came out to change his viewpoint. Although it would make sense for Bruce to have more designs developed. You know, for the company, not like it's for him or anything.
I got a question about this suit... why did they use such a weird bat symbol? that's the one thing that bothered me about this movie...

[Mr. Vice]

I got a question about this suit... why did they use such a weird bat symbol? that's the one thing that bothered me about this movie...

Because its looks more like an actual bat, I suppose.

[bunk]

I got a question about this suit... why did they use such a weird bat symbol? that's the one thing that bothered me about this movie...


Yeah, they added a couple lines for no apparent reason. It could have been worse. If you've ever seen the initial sketch for the suit you've seen the eyes the bat symbol originally had. That would've been so lame.

[Super Kal]

eyes?...

[Mr. Vice]

Yeah, they added a couple lines for no apparent reason. It could have been worse. If you've ever seen the initial sketch for the suit you've seen the eyes the bat symbol originally had. That would've been so lame.

:eek: :confused: Are you *****in serious?! EYES!?

[spideyman101]

personally, i beleive they should keep it black all the way. Batman is the "come-right-up on the person" and scare the living heck out of them... you can't sneak up on them or hide with gold flashing on your chest... i mean, hey, what idiot would go on a stealth mission in pink?

just as an example. :P

[Super Kal]

pink and yellow are two different colors... the gold provides a background so you can see the outline of the symbol on the chest. yeah, you don't have to have it... a grey background can create the same effects.

[bunk]

eyes?...

I'm afraid so.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/89suit_design.jpg

[Mr. Vice]

I'm afraid so.http://www.tombunker.com/siteimages/89suit_design.jpg

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-004.gif

[Bathead]

Actually the two extra points near the tail on the B'89 symbol would represent the feet of an actual bat.
And Logan, I was thinking your idea of the trunks as harness makes a lot of sense as it would relate to Begins. The way Batman uses the grappling gun (shooting out a line, looping the line around the belt buckle and attaching the gun to the back of the belt) would absolutely require that extra support.

[The Sage]

The "regular movie audience" can go to hell. If the "regular movie audience" can suspend their disbelief enough to enjoy a movie about black guys disguised as white chicks, John Travolta and Nicholas Cage switching faces and a supervillain made entirely out of SAND, then I suspect they can do the same for a batcostume made in a similar fashion as the Spider-Man costume.

*Cries*

Beautiful.:up:

[lujho]

Bunk, I hope you don't mind me posting these slight modifications of your great drawings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_cowl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_suit2.jpg

Now, I'm aware thatthe seams on the torso don't quite integrate well with the contours of the body - this is because it was just a quick job, and I couldn't be bothered altering the shading on the body. When making a real costume you'd make sure the seams were in the best possible position, and that any foam padding underneath was also optimally shaped to go with the seams.

[E-Mack]

Wonderful job lujho. Really close to what I had envisioned the costume looking done with those materials.

Nice work on the lenses too. It's very rare to see it done in such a way that it doesn't look too corny, fake, or shiny.

[bunk]

Bunk, I hope you don't mind me posting these slight modifications of your great drawings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_cowl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_suit2.jpg

Now, I'm aware thatthe seams on the torso don't quite integrate well with the contours of the body - this is because it was just a quick job, and I couldn't be bothered altering the shading on the body. When making a real costume you'd make sure the seams were in the best possible position, and that any foam padding underneath was also optimally shaped to go with the seams.

The seams look great. Not over done. I contemplated adding them myself but couldn't decide where to put them. The seams help give it less of an appearance of spandex or tights or whatever.

[regwec]

Wonderful concept, Mr Bunker.

[Spidey_Zombie]

I would be happy, if Batz looked like this...


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1307/modernizedbatmanbyrazorsedge701yq1.jpg

[lujho]

I would be happy, if Batz looked like this...


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1307/modernizedbatmanbyrazorsedge701yq1.jpg

Wow - a lot of elements there I like. The gloves look like the Begins gauntlets cut in half, over some heavy leather gloves.

And the traditional leather/cloth pounches just look so much cooler than little metal boxes.

[Saint]

Bunk, I hope you don't mind me posting these slight modifications of your great drawings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_cowl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_suit2.jpg

Now, I'm aware thatthe seams on the torso don't quite integrate well with the contours of the body - this is because it was just a quick job, and I couldn't be bothered altering the shading on the body. When making a real costume you'd make sure the seams were in the best possible position, and that any foam padding underneath was also optimally shaped to go with the seams.
I think the seams should be a little more pronounced.

[regwec]

I would be happy, if Batz looked like this...


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1307/modernizedbatmanbyrazorsedge701yq1.jpg

I like the way in which the undersuit, the cloak and the belt work; I dislike the thigh-strap, and I think that the metallic elements are a bit much, particularly around the motif.

[LuiECuomo]

Where is that pic from?

[E-Mack]

Using some hi-res shots promo shots of the BB suit, I adjusted the colors a bit to see how it'd look if the suit was made in jet-black in all lighting conditions. So here's a quick stab at it, I used to slightly different color schemes, but it's the same idea:

Comic Book Tone (Blue)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9454/suit3nk7.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/723/suit2os3.jpg

Batman Begins (Gold)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3442/suit4de1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7776/suitsy6.jpg

[Mr. Vice]

Using some hi-res shots promo shots of the BB suit, I adjusted the colors a bit to see how it'd look if the suit was made in jet-black in all lighting conditions. So here's a quick stab at it, I used to slightly different color schemes, but it's the same idea:

Comic Book Tone (Blue)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9454/suit3nk7.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/723/suit2os3.jpg

Batman Begins (Gold)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3442/suit4de1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7776/suitsy6.jpg

Those "tones" must be extremely subtle, cause I don't notice any big differences.:confused:

[Mike059jig]

I hope they don't change the costume at all...maybe minor changes but I want the all black Bat suit......I really love the Bat costume above it is brilliant and

[Super Kal]

Using some hi-res shots promo shots of the BB suit, I adjusted the colors a bit to see how it'd look if the suit was made in jet-black in all lighting conditions. So here's a quick stab at it, I used to slightly different color schemes, but it's the same idea:

Comic Book Tone (Blue)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9454/suit3nk7.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/723/suit2os3.jpg

Batman Begins (Gold)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3442/suit4de1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7776/suitsy6.jpg
I really like those looks...

[Wams]

I dig the suit BUT....There is always room 4 improvment...:up:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/DSC09927.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/BD-S-9748.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Bat-armor2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i271/nwonknu2k/Bat-armor1.jpg

:spidey:
:supes:

[Super Kal]

that looks really cool...

[Saint]

Alright, I took some time and put together what I consider to be the ideal batcostume. I should specifiy, though, that this kind of costume probably would not fit in Nolan's film, so I am content to stick with the Begins costume (with improvments) since I like it also. The costume below would work best in another reboot following the conclusion of Nolan's series.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8386/ultimatebatsuitos8.jpg

In the top left corner is the original artwork of "Cosen-1." In the top right corner is a drawing of mine showing the design I use when drawing the comic version of Batman. In the bottom left is my drawing translated into a movie costume by manipulating Chosen-1's art. Honestly, until I did that manip I wasn't convinced my design could be made to look good, but I think it looks fantastic there. However, since I know a lot of people don't like my take on the batcowl, I also did the alternative on the bottom right, which is more traditional.

[Super Kal]

that's a really interesting concept, right there... I've honestly never seen it done like that.

[The King]

It reminds me of Wolverine a bit

[Saint]

Everybody tells me that whenever I show them one of my Batman drawings (well, my recent ones--I didn't always draw him with that cowl).

[The Batman]

*Cries*

Beautiful.:up:


I agree...

But the thing is...I doubt the general audience even cares about whether or not bats wears grey spandex.

[CConn]

When Superman shows up in one of Nolan's Batman movies, I'll be more than understanding if the Batman wears heavy armor when beating him down. :mad:

:wolverineDon't forget AzBats.

[Wams]

:batman:
:supes:

[El Payaso]

And as usual it's a pleasure for the eye.

Thanks.

[Super Kal]

nice style, but I'm not digging the symbol...

[batman44]

But the thing is...I doubt the general audience even cares about whether or not bats wears grey spandex.

I agree.

[batlovescatDC]

nice style, but I'm not digging the symbol...

Yeah, it is way too big.

[batlovescatDC]

I also agree with The Batman and Batman44.... the spandex doesn't matter. But, however, I would like to see some gray involved. Instead of doing the costume from the comics... reverse it. Make the body jet black, and the symbol gray, and maybe the belt gray to match. I love that they're going to make it sleeker.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think the general audience would laugh at the gray spandex.

If they ever went that route, it'd have to be changed to not look like spandex at all. Like the Spider-Man, or Superman Returns, suit.

I think for the film, Nolan-verse, the black is the only thing that makes sense. In this series, that is. There's reasons for it being all black.

[E-Mack]

I think the general audience would laugh at the gray spandex.

If they ever went that route, it'd have to be changed to not look like spandex at all. Like the Spider-Man, or Superman Returns, suit.
For the umpteenth time, NO ONE here is suggesting actual spandex.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm just saying, it can't LOOK LIKE it.

Umpteenth? Wow....that's like a zillion, isn't it??

[E-Mack]

I'm just saying, it can't LOOK LIKE it.
Well that really goes w/o saying. When the fans wanted a translation of the Spider-Man and Superman suit, they didn't want it to look like spandex either.

Umpteenth? Wow....that's like a zillion, isn't it??
Umpteenth is infinity. Zillion is a zillion. :o

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I know, I know.....it's just that after BATMAN DEAD END, alot of people have gotten the idea that it CAN work. I don't think it can, that's all I was trying to add.

Well, once again.....you forget the term LIKE. LOL. I said LIKE....not is. So, I'm in the clear on that one.

And isn't Infinity Infinity?

[E-Mack]

Well, once again.....you forget the term LIKE. LOL. I said LIKE....not is. So, I'm in the clear on that one.
Like is a meaningless word. You can take it out of any sentence and the point still comes off exactly the same. :p

And isn't Infinity Infinity?
Yes, but umpteenth is a synonym. :o

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh yeah?

Zallowdotokay.

See, I too can make up words.

[E-Mack]

Except "umpteenth" is actually said by people. :o

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So is Zallowdotokay.........somewhere.....I'm sure.

[klawman1]

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/8502/jawfix4kp.jpg


this looks cool but it might be getting back to the first batman movie wich wouldnt be bad but this hero doesnt need to come full circle we dont need nipples!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[lujho]

Alright, I took some time and put together what I consider to be the ideal batcostume. I should specifiy, though, that this kind of costume probably would not fit in Nolan's film, so I am content to stick with the Begins costume (with improvments) since I like it also. The costume below would work best in another reboot following the conclusion of Nolan's series.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8386/ultimatebatsuitos8.jpg

In the top left corner is the original artwork of "Cosen-1." In the top right corner is a drawing of mine showing the design I use when drawing the comic version of Batman. In the bottom left is my drawing translated into a movie costume by manipulating Chosen-1's art. Honestly, until I did that manip I wasn't convinced my design could be made to look good, but I think it looks fantastic there. However, since I know a lot of people don't like my take on the batcowl, I also did the alternative on the bottom right, which is more traditional.


I don't ever want to see the Bermejo-style integration of the symbol with the cape and cowl like that. I don't think it works that well at all - it needs to be separate in the middle of the chest, with space all around, IMO.

[The Sage]

Bunk, I hope you don't mind me posting these slight modifications of your great drawings:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_cowl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/lujho/bale_suit2.jpg

Now, I'm aware thatthe seams on the torso don't quite integrate well with the contours of the body - this is because it was just a quick job, and I couldn't be bothered altering the shading on the body. When making a real costume you'd make sure the seams were in the best possible position, and that any foam padding underneath was also optimally shaped to go with the seams.

That's awesome.

[Super Kal]

this would be my suit choice for the sequel...
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4800/batspreferredar1.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batspreferredar1.jpg)

[batboy99]

love it kakarot

[bunk]

this would be my suit choice for the sequel...
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4800/batspreferredar1.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batspreferredar1.jpg)

Yeah, this definetly works using the existing suit which I still like.

[Saint]

I don't ever want to see the Bermejo-style integration of the symbol with the cape and cowl like that. I don't think it works that well at all - it needs to be separate in the middle of the chest, with space all around, IMO.
Well, I too prefer it not be attached, but if an attached symbol is the price for a costume like that, I will pay it. The only real problem I have with the symbol being attached is that it prevents the cape from closing down the middle.