New interview with Singer and Routh... 'Casting Superman'

[Mentok]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/701/701420p1.html

Superman Returns: Casting the Man from Krypton
Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh tell it...


April 12, 2006 - Psyched to see Superman Returns? We're right there with you. (In case you need another dose of coolness, the trailer works wonders, so hit it). From the look of things, director Bryan Singer captures the essence of Superman; and it isn't merely John William's music, or Guy Dyas' production design. The key element that says They Did It! They Got Superman! is the man who plays him, Brandon Routh. Just how did Singer find the unknown actor who would be the center of this summer's most anticipated movie?

"The role of Superman, to me, was always to be an unknown," says Singer from the set in Sydney, Australia. The process "was a lot of going through tapes and materials that had been collected previously, along with new material, and combining all those." Amid these videotapes, Singer noticed Routh's audition, and proceeded to set up a meeting, as soon as possible, with the unknown actor.

"It was a Friday," says Routh. "My agent called, and I didn't want to answer the phone because I had a headache. But she kept calling and calling." Finally answering the phone, his agent told him Bryan Singer wanted an immediate meeting. "I was shocked and thinking finally, because I'd done several things in the process and kept thinking it was never gonna happen." Routh asked if Signer could post-pone it for an hour or two due to his headache, but the answer was: "No, he's leaving for Australia to do a scout."

The first meeting was late last year in West Hollywood, "at the Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf on Sunset," says Singer. Walking into the coffee shop, Singer admits thinking, he's "going to be the guy or not going to be the guy. I'll know in twenty seconds if it's a 'no go.'"

"I was there early," says Routh. "I think I was reading Atlas Shrugged. He got there, we ordered coffee. He was a little bit nervous and I was a little bit nervous. We just talked for a good hour and a half about the film and so forth."

"It was very funny," says Singer. "I walked in and twenty seconds later I'm thinking, it's still working for me." At the end of the meeting, Singer asked, "Would you mind coming in and reading and doing some more stuff?"

"I was like, Yeah, of course," says Routh. "He went off to Australia. I had a really good feeling from that; a really, really good feeling. He was pretty much sure from that meeting, too. Before I actually got the 'go ahead,' I'd had a lot of time to think about it, to be prepared for it." During this time Routh went through "several stages of, 'Am I gonna get this? Am I really gonna get this? Wow! I think I'm gonna get this! Am I gonna get this?' So, I had a while to become okay with it. To think about it a lot."

Two months later, a representative from Warner Brothers called Routh to officially inform him. "I'm not even sure who it was," says Routh. They said, "Well, congratulations you're, you know... And I said, 'Great! Thank you!' It was more of a big relief to finally have it happen."

Singer says he doesn't know if Routh knew this, but "I knew when I got on the plane."

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yeah, read that earlier. Pretty cool interview :up:

[The Fallen]

Groovy little find there Mentok!

[Showtime]

Some cool tidbits in there Tok. Thanks.

[Metropolis_Man]

Pretty cool interview. Would've like to have gotten that phonecall saying "You're Superman"

[Whack Arnolds]

OMG, what a pu$$y. "Can we postpone an hour or two because I have a headache?"... lol, get out of here with that sissy ****. Seriously, that is ridiculous, lol. I do hard work with headache's, this man wants to postpone meetings for a multi-millionaire jobs because he has a headache. Give me a break... In real life, Brandon Routh would be the "Man of Tissue Paper".

[Mentok]

OMG, what a pu$$y. "Can we postpone an hour or two because I have a headache?"... lol, get out of here with that sissy ****. Seriously, that is ridiculous, lol. I do hard work with headache's, this man wants to postpone meetings for a multi-millionaire jobs because he has a headache. Give me a break... In real life, Brandon Routh would be the "Man of Tissue Paper".

STFU.

He was going for an important first meeting with the Director... He wanted time to compose himself.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

OMG, what a pu$$y. "Can we postpone an hour or two because I have a headache?"... lol, get out of here with that sissy ****. Seriously, that is ridiculous, lol. I do hard work with headache's, this man wants to postpone meetings for a multi-millionaire jobs because he has a headache. Give me a break... In real life, Brandon Routh would be the "Man of Tissue Paper".

Maybe he's afraid his headache could affect his attitude and put himself in an undesirable light. He doesn't want to blow a very important meeting. It's very rational.

[ReporterKent]

He was going for an important first meeting with the Director... He wanted time to compose himself.


He's an actor, he should've acted composed.

[Mentok]

He's an actor, he should've acted composed.

:rolleyes:

[Nightwing1977]

I sure some of you guys who are making big deal out of Routh being a wuss for not answering the phone with a bad headache would done the same too if you have a bad headache. You're just in denial to confess it to make yourself look macho compare to Routh. :rolleyes:

[millennium movies]

Mentok you rock! For finding the interview and for making my day a little better with that little video called "NINTENDO SIXTY-FOOOOOOOOOOOOUR!!!" :D!

Thanks man!

[Mentok]

Mentok you rock! For finding the interview and for making my day a little better with that little video called "NINTENDO SIXTY-FOOOOOOOOOOOOUR!!!" :D!

Thanks man!

Its the best video ever :up:

[millennium movies]

I love the slow motion parts! Again, thanks!

[Whack Arnolds]

STFU.

He was going for an important first meeting with the Director... He wanted time to compose himself.LOL, seriously... come on, that is a definition of a pu$$y right there. Literally asking the man whom might give you a job as Superman in a movie, for millions of dollars, to postpone for an hour or two b/c he has a headache. LMAO, that is some seriously sissy ****. Who does that? Compose myself my ass, what does he have to compose himself about? He WANTS the job, and the boss WANTS a meeting with him for the job. That means he is interested, lol. It's not like he is then going to an interview for the job, he already went through the interview process (screen test). Imagine if your future employer called and asked you to come in because they wint to hire you, and you said "uhh can you give me and hour or two...I have a headache." BWAHAHAHA, let his baby a$$ take some chewable tylenol, cause I'm sure he doesn't take regular aspirin because it is too difficult. I know people who bust their a$$ at REAL jobs with actual migraine headaches, let alone regular little headaches. Brandon Routh aka The Last Son of Sissy.

[Cinemaman]

Nice.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

nice artical.

perhaps he had a migrane..you know those headaches can get so bad you can't move because you feel sick when you do..does that make his a pussy? no it makes him smart.

[Alonsovich]

LOL, seriously... come on, that is a definition of a pu$$y right there. Literally asking the man whom might give you a job as Superman in a movie, for millions of dollars, to postpone for an hour or two b/c he has a headache. LMAO, that is some seriously sissy ****. Who does that? Compose myself my ass, what does he have to compose himself about? He WANTS the job, and the boss WANTS a meeting with him for the job. That means he is interested, lol. It's not like he is then going to an interview for the job, he already went through the interview process (screen test). Imagine if your future employer called and asked you to come in because they wint to hire you, and you said "uhh can you give me and hour or two...I have a headache." BWAHAHAHA, let his baby a$$ take some chewable tylenol, cause I'm sure he doesn't take regular aspirin because it is too difficult. I know people who bust their a$$ at REAL jobs with actual migraine headaches, let alone regular little headaches. Brandon Routh aka The Last Son of Sissy.

This reminds of Team America and the definition of pu**ies, d*cks and a**holes...

[SolidSnakeMGS]

LOL, seriously... come on, that is a definition of a pu$$y right there. Literally asking the man whom might give you a job as Superman in a movie, for millions of dollars, to postpone for an hour or two b/c he has a headache. LMAO, that is some seriously sissy ****. Who does that? Compose myself my ass, what does he have to compose himself about? He WANTS the job, and the boss WANTS a meeting with him for the job. That means he is interested, lol. It's not like he is then going to an interview for the job, he already went through the interview process (screen test). Imagine if your future employer called and asked you to come in because they wint to hire you, and you said "uhh can you give me and hour or two...I have a headache." BWAHAHAHA, let his baby a$$ take some chewable tylenol, cause I'm sure he doesn't take regular aspirin because it is too difficult. I know people who bust their a$$ at REAL jobs with actual migraine headaches, let alone regular little headaches. Brandon Routh aka The Last Son of Sissy.

I think we already got how you feel in your first post in this thread. Who's to say it wasn't a migraine or something like that? And again, maybe he was worried about not making a good impression.

Chill, man. You sound like one of those jocks in high school making fun of those that don't play sports.

[dark_b]

can we blame rouht because he wants always to give 100% from himself?

[Alonsovich]

can we blame rouht because he wants always to give 100% from himself?

http://www.nohayrosasinespina.com/imagenes/full/hoguera.jpg

GET ROUTH IN THE BONFIRE!!!:o

[Whack Arnolds]

I think we already got how you feel in your first post in this thread. Who's to say it wasn't a migraine or something like that? And again, maybe he was worried about not making a good impression.

Chill, man. You sound like one of those jocks in high school making fun of those that don't play sports.I am chill, it just comes across as extremely funny that this guy would need and hour or two for a headache, and would actually delay a meeting with his employer. I'm not pissed, it's just funny. He's a weak kind of guy, and that's fine. I mean if he had a migraine, he would of said it. There is a good difference between a mirgraine and a normal headache. Yet still people can function with migraines. It's not like he was going to be doing anything extensive or mentally or phsyically exaushting with it. Get over yourself, take an aspirin and go meet the man. This doesn't make me not like Routh, but its obvious he is a pre-moddana type of person. The Last Son of Sissy aka Brandon Routh, lol.

Superman: "Uhh Lex, can you wait an hour or two before launching that nuke?...I have a headache."

Lex: "......."

He's playing Superman, but completely shuts everything down for a day if he has a headache, BWAHAHA. No phone calls, no meetings. What a puss.

[Superman4ever]

Wow. Thanks!

BTW, when did everones' avys get so huge?

[batman44]

I read that interview the other day, but does anyone else feel that just about all the interviews seem to repeat itself.

[Lone]

I am chill, it just comes across as extremely funny that this guy would need and hour or two for a headache, and would actually delay a meeting with his employer. I'm not pissed, it's just funny. He's a weak kind of guy, and that's fine. I mean if he had a migraine, he would of said it. There is a good difference between a mirgraine and a normal headache. Yet still people can function with migraines. It's not like he was going to be doing anything extensive or mentally or phsyically exaushting with it. Get over yourself, take an aspirin and go meet the man. This doesn't make me not like Routh, but its obvious he is a pre-moddana type of person. The Last Son of Sissy aka Brandon Routh, lol.

Superman: "Uhh Lex, can you wait an hour or two before launching that nuke?...I have a headache."

Lex: "......."

He's playing Superman, but completely shuts everything down for a day if he has a headache, BWAHAHA. No phone calls, no meetings. What a puss.

You're calling a guy who has the balls to postpone a multimillion dollar deal a pussy? You're calling an actor who cares enough abt making a good first impression to the director instead of just putting on a fake smile and doing the movie for the sake of money, a pussy?

Look at yourself, 'Whack Arnolds'..with your Batman avatar and some obscure Batman quote that only a fanboy knows as your sig and here you are on an internet messageboard that caters to superhero geeks, complaining about an actor's reaction to a headache...I swear to God, we can all feel your machismo eminating from your whiny posts.

You're an internet badass. Congratulations. Now try being a REAL one in REAL life, you pissant.

Who did you have to fellate to avoid getting banned anyway?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

^ ROFL and PWN'D

[zer00]

.

Who did you have to fellate to avoid getting banned anyway?

He's been banned about 13 times

[Lone]

He's been banned about 13 times

LOL! I didn't know that...been away from these parts of the boards for a while...:O

What kinda loser(other than spiderfreddie) keeps coming back after getting banned 13 times...:confused:

[Superman4ever]

You're calling a guy who has the balls to postpone a multimillion dollar deal a pussy? You're calling an actor who cares enough abt making a good first impression to the director instead of just putting on a fake smile and doing the movie for the sake of money, a pussy?

Look at yourself, 'Whack Arnolds'..with your Batman avatar and some obscure Batman quote that only a fanboy knows as your sig and here you are on an internet messageboard that caters to superhero geeks, complaining about an actor's reaction to a headache...I swear to God, we can all feel your machismo eminating from your whiny posts.

You're an internet badass. Congratulations. Now try being a REAL one in REAL life, you pissant.

Who did you have to fellate to avoid getting banned anyway?

WTF? MEGA-OWNED!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3981/superman218vz.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Alonsovich]

You're calling a guy who has the balls to postpone a multimillion dollar deal a pussy? You're calling an actor who cares enough abt making a good first impression to the director instead of just putting on a fake smile and doing the movie for the sake of money, a pussy?

Look at yourself, 'Whack Arnolds'..with your Batman avatar and some obscure Batman quote that only a fanboy knows as your sig and here you are on an internet messageboard that caters to superhero geeks, complaining about an actor's reaction to a headache...I swear to God, we can all feel your machismo eminating from your whiny posts.

You're an internet badass. Congratulations. Now try being a REAL one in REAL life, you pissant.

Who did you have to fellate to avoid getting banned anyway?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Brutal...:D

[nite-owl]

Whos been banned 13 times?

[Metropolis_Man]

You're calling a guy who has the balls to postpone a multimillion dollar deal a pussy? You're calling an actor who cares enough abt making a good first impression to the director instead of just putting on a fake smile and doing the movie for the sake of money, a pussy?

Look at yourself, 'Whack Arnolds'..with your Batman avatar and some obscure Batman quote that only a fanboy knows as your sig and here you are on an internet messageboard that caters to superhero geeks, complaining about an actor's reaction to a headache...I swear to God, we can all feel your machismo eminating from your whiny posts.

You're an internet badass. Congratulations. Now try being a REAL one in REAL life, you pissant.

Who did you have to fellate to avoid getting banned anyway?

Haha, nice. Good job. I can remember many times when I've had horrible headaches and I've not felt like being around anyone. So just because a guy thats human has a headache means he can't feel like a human and still want to meet with Singer for the opportunity for a lifetime? Like someone else said, he wanted time to compose himself so he didn't make a mistake or be off center while talking to Singer.

[Trooper]

good read

[Whack Arnolds]

You're calling a guy who has the balls to postpone a multimillion dollar deal a pussy?For a headache? Without a shadow of a doubt.

You're calling an actor who cares enough abt making a good first impression to the director instead of just putting on a fake smile and doing the movie for the sake of money, a pussy?Of course. He already made the impression, that's why Singer wanted to meet with him. He was crying because of a poor headache.

Look at yourself, 'Whack Arnolds'..with your Batman avatar and some obscure Batman quote that only a fanboy knows as your sig and here you are on an internet messageboard that caters to superhero geeks, complaining about an actor's reaction to a headacheAnd... ? lol. Are you not here as well? Do people here not critisize things that have no real significant meaning? I come here for pure entertainment purposes. And I found it quite amusing, albeit a bit pathetic that a grown man would delay a meeting with a potential boss because of a headache. HAHA. He's a softy.

...I swear to God, we can all feel your machismo eminating from your whiny posts.I'm the one whining? lol. You sure you got that one straight, sparky? What was mashismo about any of that? I know women who bust their ass even when they have "headaches" :( , or even worse, PMS pains. So it had nothing to do with gender at all, or gender roles. I didn't say Routh was a girl, even though he might bat for their team, I just said he was a sissy and a pu$$y. And by pu$$y I mean someone who is extremely soft. And obviously, Routh is that.

You're an internet badass.Uhh, ok. If making fun of someone b/c they can't function during a headache makes me am internet badass, then alrighty then...
Usually an internet badass is someone who acts like a hard ass and challenges people physically over a computer, is it not?

Congratulations. Now try being a REAL one in REAL life, you pissant.LOL, uhhh ok? It's obvious you share from the same affliction as my buddy Brandon Routh here. I take it you're probably just having a really bad day, possibly that time of the month for you? Because you don't know me from atom, or what I am like in 'real life'.

Who did you have to fellate to avoid getting banned anyway?Besides the hairy bush between your mom's legs? None. She is the only one on the checklist.

[Whack Arnolds]

What kinda loser(other than spiderfreddie) keeps coming back after getting banned 13 times...:confused:I am spider-freddie. :up:

[Agentdemon]

^Ha ha that's explains it.

[Sverdlovski]

Oh, and it's prima donna. :o

And it seems you also have no idea what it means....

[Metropolis_Man]

WTF? MEGA-OWNED!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3981/superman218vz.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Hey, nice Owned gif. lol, I like that alot. Is that mongul there?

[ReporterKent]

Hey Whack, you're entitled to your opinion. Anyone who attacks you because of it, is the internet loser. It's one thing to disagree, but going all pms about it is childish.

I mean, he's like.. "look at you with your batman avatar..." I was the one who was LMAO.

[zer00]

I am spider-freddie. :up:

why don't you go and let the big people talk for a while then they'll tend to you.

[Alonsovich]

^Ha ha that's explains it.

He's not spiderfreddie... at least he doesn't behave like him. Spiderfreddie is amusing... he's not...:o

[Whack Arnolds]

Hey Whack, you're entitled to your opinion. Anyone who attacks you because of it, is the internet loser. It's one thing to disagree, but going all pms about it is childish.

I mean, he's like.. "look at you with your batman avatar..." I was the one who was LMAO.True. I mean, I wasn't attacking anyone here. They all must have a massive crush on Brandon Routh to defend him so ferociously.

[Whack Arnolds]

why don't you go and let the big people talk for a while then they'll tend to you.That's quite amusing, seeing as though I am at least 5 years older than you.

[Whack Arnolds]

Anybody who uses "PWNED" is a definitive internet loser.

[SuperDaniel]

Headaches, huh? Feels to me Routh had a hangover....:D He used to be a Bartender, huh?

Anyway, Routh is a lucky mofo. He was nobody and now he is very rich and is Superman. What else could you want?

[zer00]

That's quite amusing, seeing as though I am at least 5 years older than you.

In age not intelligence and maturity.

[Whack Arnolds]

In age not intelligence and maturity.Right, lol. As if there is any possibility that you, a 16 year old school boy, is more intelligent than a junior in an esteemed private college. You don't even live on your own yet, what would you know about maturity? Let's have this conversation when you: a) finish going through puberty b) when your acne clears up c) when you get laid d) when you get a job, that doesn't consist of fast food or video rental stores e) when you actually get your High School diploma f) when you get into a good college g) when you survive the first year h) when you get your own apartment and can function and live on your own... and I could go on and on, but please, when you're paying your own bills... then you can start comparing yourself to me, son. Until then, keep your grades up on your report card and don't dissapoint mommy and daddy. :up:

[Whack Arnolds]

Headaches, huh? Feels to me Routh had a hangover....:D He used to be a Bartender, huh?That could be a strong possibility. :o

[SuperDaniel]

I know it from my own experience... :D

[Whack Arnolds]

I know it from my own experience... :DDid you fill the bottle back up with water? And did you get plastered while ont he job?

[SuperDaniel]

not really...i`ve never been a bartender...But i tried to postpone some important meetings because of hangover and partying hard the day before...

[Showtime]

Who cares if Routh had a headache or not? That wasn't even remotely close tot he point of the article. The relevance involves the fact that Singer knew Routh was Superman almost on the spot.

Some of these posts are giving me a major headache.

[SuperDaniel]

C`mon..we`re just trying to be fun. I`m not complaining at all...It was just a joke.
You don`t need to be all serious. Yes, Routh is Superman and Singer knew from the start.

[Whack Arnolds]

Who cares if Routh had a headache or not? That wasn't even remotely close tot he point of the article. The relevance involves the fact that Singer knew Routh was Superman almost on the spot.We have known that for a good while. Prior to this interview being posted. :o

[SuperDaniel]

Just because he drinks it doesn`t make him less Superman. Routh is an actor and human being...

[Superman4ever]

Hey, nice Owned gif. lol, I like that alot. Is that mongul there?

Yup! :D

[Metropolis_Man]

Yup! :D

Nice!! I need to use that for something.

[Superman4ever]

Nice!! I need to use that for something.

*right click save!* :up: :)

[Metropolis_Man]

*right click save!* :up: :)

Think I might find some old enemies through AIM and send it to them and laugh as they have no better comeback. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Nah.

[Mentok]

I am chill, it just comes across as extremely funny that this guy would need and hour or two for a headache, and would actually delay a meeting with his employer. I'm not pissed, it's just funny. He's a weak kind of guy, and that's fine. I mean if he had a migraine, he would of said it. There is a good difference between a mirgraine and a normal headache. Yet still people can function with migraines. It's not like he was going to be doing anything extensive or mentally or phsyically exaushting with it. Get over yourself, take an aspirin and go meet the man. This doesn't make me not like Routh, but its obvious he is a pre-moddana type of person. The Last Son of Sissy aka Brandon Routh, lol.


Yay for stupid posts :o . He felt like crap when he was contacted for an immediate interview with an employer for possibly the biggest job of his life. He is an actor, he needed to be on top of things because like singer said the the interview 'I would know if he was the one in the first 20 seconds'.

Kind of hard to make a good impression when your head is pounding and you cant think straight.

This makes him a 'pre-moddana type of person'... Hardly. :rolleyes:

Superman: "Uhh Lex, can you wait an hour or two before launching that nuke?...I have a headache."

Lex: "......."

He's playing Superman, but completely shuts everything down for a day if he has a headache, BWAHAHA. No phone calls, no meetings. What a puss.

Oh noes! He had to use wires to fly as well.. Thats terrible! He should have really flown since he is playing Superman!

I bet you complained about the new James Bond not being 'Bond' enough :o

[Whack Arnolds]

Oh noes! He had to use wires to fly as well.. Thats terrible! He should have really flown since he is playing Superman!

I bet you complained about the new James Bond not being 'Bond' enough :oYou do realize I was kidding, right? Everyone took to the defense of their imaginary boyfriend, Brandon Routh. It isn't that serious. I WAS MAKING FUN OF BRANDON, NOT YOU.

[Mentok]

He's playing Superman, but completely shuts everything down for a day if he has a headache, BWAHAHA. No phone calls, no meetings. What a puss.

HAHAHAHAH... Thats so funny :o :down

[Mentok]

You do realize I was kidding, right? Everyone took to the defense of their imaginary boyfriend, Brandon Routh. It isn't that serious. I WAS MAKING FUN OF BRANDON, NOT YOU.

Yeah... right. Then dont contradict yourself constantly in your posts.

[Showtime]

HAHAHAHAH... Thats so funny :o :down

Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and we're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.

[Whack Arnolds]

Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and wei're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.Exactly, lol. :up:

[Showtime]

I just wanted to clarify!

[Whack Arnolds]

I just wanted to clarify!LOL, at least you can be a good sport about it. I got no beef with any of you guys, or Brandon Routh. I was just making fun of the absurdity of not showing up for an hour or two because of a headache.

[Metropolis_Man]

I had a meeting with Singer once, he wanted me to help pick out some sox for him, but those Tylenols hadn't kicked in yet.

[Whack Arnolds]

I had a meeting with Singer once, he wanted me to help pick out some sox for him, but those Tylenols hadn't kicked in yet.LOL... :up:

[Metropolis_Man]

Thats why you go with excedrin, because excedrin starts working within 15 minutes of you taking it, and if you have migranes......you know how fast that is.

[BareKnucklez]

I am chill, it just comes across as extremely funny that this guy would need and hour or two for a headache, and would actually delay a meeting with his employer. I'm not pissed, it's just funny. He's a weak kind of guy, and that's fine. I mean if he had a migraine, he would of said it. There is a good difference between a mirgraine and a normal headache. Yet still people can function with migraines. It's not like he was going to be doing anything extensive or mentally or phsyically exaushting with it. Get over yourself, take an aspirin and go meet the man. This doesn't make me not like Routh, but its obvious he is a pre-moddana type of person. The Last Son of Sissy aka Brandon Routh, lol.

Superman: "Uhh Lex, can you wait an hour or two before launching that nuke?...I have a headache."

Lex: "......."

He's playing Superman, but completely shuts everything down for a day if he has a headache, BWAHAHA. No phone calls, no meetings. What a puss.

lol sounds like Routh is a bit of a DIVA! lol :mad:



heh oh, and cool name! :up: :)

[Sub-Zero]

hey i'd have a headache too if i was going through that stuff.

[Metropolis_Man]

lol sounds like Routh is a bit of a DIVA! lol :mad:



heh oh, and cool name! :up: :)

Sometimes people say I can be sort of a DIVA, but I don't believe them. :down
I bet being up in those wiring positions gave Brandon a few headaches as well.

[Showtime]

Sometimes people say I can be sort of a DIVA, but I don't believe them. :down
I bet being up in those wiring positions gave Brandon a few headaches as well.

Well when you asked me to feed you grapes while we were playing PS2 I thought it was a tad askew.

[Whack Arnolds]

Well when you asked me to feed you grapes while we were playing PS2 I thought it was a tad askew.Bwahaha... he's like: "I just got to level two, hey... can you manually feed me some grapes?" "Oh and put on that cold play album." :eek:

[Bibs11]

Found a snippet from this article on yahoo...

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20060417/114531816000.html


SUPERHEROES ON PARADE: Fighters for truth, justice and the rights of Mutant-Americans are back, led by "X-Men: The Last Stand," the third installment in the franchise about the gang of super freaks, and "Superman Returns," with the Man of Steel suiting up for his first big-screen adventure in almost 20 years.

Bryan Singer (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&cf=gen&id=1800020313), who made the first two "X-Men (http://search.movies.yahoo.com/search/movies/title?p=%22X-Men%22&string=%22X-Men%22&search=title)" movies, directed "Superman Returns," which introduces Brandon Routh as Krypton's favorite flyboy.
Co-starring Kevin Spacey (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&cf=gen&id=1800018626) as villain Lex Luthor and Kate Bosworth (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&cf=gen&id=1803242658) as Lois Lane, the movie has Superman back on Earth after a prolonged absence. Though not a sequel to the Christopher Reeve (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&cf=gen&id=1800027829) "Superman" flicks, the film borrows from the look and mythology created in that series.
Routh said he fashioned his performance to match, injecting his own personality into the character while trying to stay true to Reeve's Superman.

"Chris did such an amazing job. You can change things, but if you do it could be horrible," Routh said. "When somebody does something so great, there's certain things you can tweak, but to change it just to change it sometimes is dangerous."

[Bad Superman]

Pretty cool interview.

[musclesforsupes]

Routh reminds me of alfo a bit.

[Oldguy]

Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and we're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.

Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

Just because Whacked, ReperterKent, myself or any career woman with PMS thinks superlad is a wimp for succumbing to his headache, doesn't mean he is a wimp, anymore than this being a "good" picture...
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_SupermanReturnsGotMilk_IVAN%7E0.jpg

simply because a select group of internet fans are so eager to see a new Superman movie that they are willing to overlook fat asses, scrawny arms, and the foam padding necessary to bridge the gap in between.

Whacked, I would be all for BR myself, if he was built like a superhero, and if he actually looked like Superman, but as we can clearly see from the milk add, that just isn't the case.

"Chris did such an amazing job. You can change things, but if you do it could be horrible," Routh said. "When somebody does something so great, there's certain things you can tweak, but to change it just to change it sometimes is dangerous."

Good thing CR didn't think that way about GR's Superman or we wouldn't have gotten the performance that we did back in '78. But what do you expect from a bartender with a pretty face playing actor, headache permitting of course.

[Metropolis_Man]

Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

Just because Whacked, ReperterKent, myself or any career woman with PMS thinks superlad is a wimp for succumbing to his headache, doesn't mean he is a wimp, anymore than this being a "good" picture...
http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_SupermanReturnsGotMilk_IVAN%7E0.jpg

simply because a select group of internet fans are so eager to see a new Superman movie that they are willing to overlook fat asses, scrawny arms, and the foam padding necessary to bridge the gap in between.

Whacked, I would be all for BR myself, if he was built like a superhero, and if he actually looked like Superman, but as we can clearly see from the milk add, that just isn't the case.



Good thing CR didn't think that way about GR's Superman or we wouldn't have gotten the performance that we did back in '78. But what do you expect from a bartender with a pretty face playing actor, headache permitting of course.

This post has been edited by Metropolis Man because humor isn't allowed on the boards as well as in some peoples lives. Old Guys opinion is completely right because humor is non existent in that world.

[Showtime]

You know what I realized, you're actually like a literal old guy. Too afraid to accept any kind of change.

Heh Heh. :eek:

[skruloos]

Good thing CR didn't think that way about GR's Superman or we wouldn't have gotten the performance that we did back in '78. But what do you expect from a bartender with a pretty face playing actor, headache permitting of course.
And then the flip side is that if Routh tried to be too different, you'd have people complain.

People just like to complain.

[Metropolis_Man]

People just like to complain.

Such a simple statement, yet its true right down to the period at the end of it.

[Oldguy]

You know what I realized, you're actually like a literal old guy. Too afraid to accept any kind of change.

Too afraid? No, I just have standards. I'm not so keen or eager that I would blindly accept any change simply because it existed. That's what young guys are for, swallowing without question.

[Oldguy]

And then the flip side is that if Routh tried to be too different, you'd have people complain.

People just like to complain.

skruloos, you must really let me have a go at your alternate reality time machine. Seems like a lot more fun than reality, I guess that's why you spend so much time there.

[Oldguy]

Heh Heh. :eek:

I'd go work on reading comprehension if I were you, rather than cheerlead the minors.

[Metropolis_Man]

Too afraid? No, I just have standards. I'm not so keen or eager that I would blindly accept any change simply because it existed. That's what young guys are for, swallowing without question.

I'll force my young hand up to my speakers to turn down the volume of your old guy talk. :up: :) Its all good fun though man. I respect that you keep your opinions no matter what. Some would buckle under so many saying that you should just accept it. I certainly respect your opinions sir :) And no ones opinion is right or wrong either. This is what makes the forums so great!!

[Showtime]

With all due respect to Oldguy, who I enjoy a great deal, people do love to complain. It is perfectly fine to complain and have a differing opinion. I just think if it was the total opposite of what it is now, those who are complaining would be complaining about something else.

[Oldguy]

I'll force my young hand up to my speakers to turn down the volume of your old guy talk. :up: :) Its all good fun though man. I respect that you keep your opinions no matter what. Some would buckle under so many saying that you should just accept it. I certainly respect your opinions sir :) And no ones opinion is right or wrong either. This is what makes the forums so great!!

The forums would be a lot better if more people actually practiced this instead of personally attacking people whose opinions differed from their own.

Like when you said I was too afraid too accept change, inferring I was a coward because I didn't agree with you. Oh that was all good fun? My mistake.

[Showtime]

I'd go work on reading comprehension if I were you, rather than cheerlead the minors.

I am confused? What did I do? Please elaborate on your reading comprehension comment?

[Metropolis_Man]

The forums would be a lot better if more people actually practiced this instead of personally attacking people whose opinions differed from their own.

Like when you said I was too afraid too accept change, inferring I was a coward because I didn't agree with you. Oh that was all good fun? My mistake.

You are good with keeping that mean old man mentality. :up: You should consider a career in acting for discussion forums.:)

[Mr. Thing]

The forums would be a lot better if more people actually practiced this instead of personally attacking people whose opinions differed from their own.

Like when you said I was too afraid too accept change, inferring I was a coward because I didn't agree with you. Oh that was all good fun? My mistake.

Yeah, even though I don't agree with your opinions and stuff, I just have to say, yep, owned.

[Oldguy]

With all due respect to Oldguy, who I enjoy a great deal, people do love to complain. It is perfectly fine to complain and have a differing opinion. I just think if it was the total opposite of what it is now, those who are complaining would be complaining about something else.

You know what else people love to do? They love to speculate about things that cannot ever possibly be proven, then use that rhetoric as the basis of their theory that all complaints are irrelevant because "people just like to complain."

People do love to complain, Showtime, but BR is still a pear-shaped, foam wearing underwear model who doesn't much resemble Superman.

[Showtime]

You know what else people love to do? They love to speculate about things that cannot ever possibly be proven, then use that rhetoric as the basis of their theory that all complaints are irrelevant because "people just like to complain."

People do love to complain, Showtime, but BR is still a pear-shaped, foam wearing underwear model who doesn't much resemble Superman.

I love how your lashing out at me, when I am your biggest supporter in the point counterpoint establishment that I hope for on the boards.

I wrote with all due respect to Oldguy, if you read it, which means I wasn't including you. I hope your not refering to me in regards to speculation or that I am calling anybody's complaints irrelevant. I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Mr. Thing]

who doesn't much resemble Superman.

In all fairness Oldguy, that's all to with(wow, the "o" word yet again) opinion.

I mean, some people can see Superman in people, while others think differently. Like Dean Cain for example, I mean, some people have him listed as the definitive Superman, while I think it's a load of tosh. Jesus, I've turned posh.

[Showtime]

Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

Just because Whacked, ReperterKent, myself or any career woman with PMS thinks superlad is a wimp for succumbing to his headache, doesn't mean he is a wimp, anymore than this being a "good" picture...

simply because a select group of internet fans are so eager to see a new Superman movie that they are willing to overlook fat asses, scrawny arms, and the foam padding necessary to bridge the gap in between.


You're amazing. You've chosen to come at me with your Brandon Routh sucks agenda, you've got the wrong guy.

I don't know why you are relating me to this defender of Routh and Singer. You need to read back on all my posts before forming this opinion. Don't you remember our previous discussions? Think about it. :down

[Oldguy]

I am confused? What did I do? Please elaborate on your reading comprehension comment?

Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and we're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.

OMG, what a pu$$y. "Can we postpone an hour or two because I have a headache?"... lol, get out of here with that sissy ****. Seriously, that is ridiculous, lol. I do hard work with headache's, this man wants to postpone meetings for a multi-millionaire jobs because he has a headache. Give me a break... In real life, Brandon Routh would be the "Man of Tissue Paper".

Get it now?

I don't know where you come from, but around here we would consider this to be less than professional.

My wifey read this and laughed, "Good thing Brandon's not a woman, or he'd be a write off 5 days a month." She's a regional sales manager for a fairly large territory, but she doesn't give a **** about SR, so I guess that's why she isn't as compassionate as you guys are.

[Metropolis_Man]

"Chris did such an amazing job. You can change things, but if you do it could be horrible," Routh said. "When somebody does something so great, there's certain things you can tweak, but to change it just to change it sometimes is dangerous."

I like what Routh said here. Sometimes a change is made just to make the movie different from an old one, but its like he said, its not good to just change things for no good reason. I think Singer and his crew and the actors definately realize this for the movie. Thanks for the post!!

[Showtime]

Get it now?

I don't know where you come from, but around here we would consider this to be less than professional.

My wifey read this and laughed, "Good thing Brandon's not a woman, or he'd be a write off 5 days a month." She's a regional sales manager for a fairly large territory, but she doesn't give a **** about SR, so I guess that's why she isn't as compassionate as you guys are.

I have to travel and I work my ass of everyday, I don't let headaches stop me. If somebody else said they have a headache or migraine and they couldn't make it, I don't think it's a sign of weakness.

I am shocked you are coming at me like a Oldguy in a three piece suit, if that's your choice we can go with it.

[Oldguy]

You're amazing. You've chosen to come at me with your Brandon Routh sucks agenda, you've got the wrong guy.

I don't know why you are relating me to this defender of Routh and Singer. You need to read back on all my posts before forming this opinion. Don't you remember our previous discussions? Think about it. :down

I do, and then I read posts like this,

Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and we're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.

Maybe I wouldn't relate you to a defender of Routh so much, if you spent less time defending him?

Who cares if Routh had a headache or not? That wasn't even remotely close tot he point of the article. The relevance involves the fact that Singer knew Routh was Superman almost on the spot.
Some of these posts are giving me a major headache.

Well to Whack it wasn't the relevence of the article, rather Routh's admitted unprofessionalism was. Yet here you are, posting away on this thread, attempting damage control, reminding us what is and isn't relevant.

To top it off, you then insinuate that these unflattering posts are causing you bodily harm. If you are truly as "unbiased" as you claim, why did you post here at all, other than to quash dissention with the awe and might of your unified conformity group, GAM.

What's the point of GAM? You guys PM one an other when you need some back up in an arguement? Should I be expecting more of you?

[Metropolis_Man]

It would be interesting to see some casting auditions thrown on the DVD when its released like they did on Superman the Movie in those documentaries. I would like to have seen some other auditions for Superman besides Reeve as well.

[Oldguy]

I have to travel and I work my ass of everyday, I don't let headaches stop me. If somebody else said they have a headache or migraine and they couldn't make it, I don't think it's a sign of weakness.

Wow, how convienient that your own personal views support your position of defending BR. When it's crunch time at your work with a big meeting, or important presentation, you call in sick due to headache.

Let me know how that works out for you.


I am shocked you are coming at me like a Oldguy in a three piece suit, if that's your choice we can go with it.

You always take a differing of opinion as a personal attack? Oh wait, your a lifer on SHH, of course you do.

[Showtime]

Wow, how convienient that your own personal views support your position of defending BR. When it's crunch time at your work with a big meeting, or important presentation, you call in sick due to headache.

Let me know how that works out for you.




You always take a differing of opinion as a personal attack? Oh wait, your a lifer on SHH, of course you do.

When it's crunch time at work I can't call in sick, because I run my own company. I am at the forefront, and YOU'RE RIGHT, it would look bad.

If one of my employees called in and said they were sick I wouldn't tell them they were a puss and fire them. How does that make sense?

If somebody is coming in for an interview and they can't make it, sick or otherwise, I give them one more chance.

He went to the interview, so we can't rewrite history to fit your OLDGUY GOSPEL anyway.

[Showtime]

Wow, how convienient that your own personal views support your position of defending BR. When it's crunch time at your work with a big meeting, or important presentation, you call in sick due to headache.


Actually, if you read my post, my personal view involves me SHOWING UP WITH THE HEADACHE. I can't change other peoples views if they have a headache?

[Metropolis_Man]

Hey, Oldguy, your opinion is respected as well as your lack of humor. This thread isn't about your opnion of Routh looking like a pear, it should be your opnion of what you thought about the interview that was posted. And Showtime, I guess we just need to let this guy get whatever he needs to off his chest. I'm not here to back you up because I'm a member of GAM and you PM'ed me. I'm not even a member of GAM. I just think Oldguy is't following by his own statements. If you don't agree with his opnion there is no way to work around it, from what I've seen. I've tried a few times to get this thread back on topic to avoid any more arguments, but the Old Man won't let that be. Everyone has their opnions, nothing wrong with that, but lets try to be respectful of other peoples opinions as you are preaching but failing to live by.

[Showtime]

For whatever reason he has targeted me. He must not like this whole GAM thing. All I did was disagree that Routh was a "puss" for "almost" not going to the meeting and he lashes out at me for loving Routh and defending Routh. He has an agenda with me because of GAM.

[Oldguy]

In all fairness Oldguy, that's all to with(wow, the "o" word yet again) opinion.

I mean, some people can see Superman in people, while others think differently. Like Dean Cain for example, I mean, some people have him listed as the definitive Superman, while I think it's a load of tosh. Jesus, I've turned posh.

Opinions are only as valid as the facts they are based upon.

GR was the definitive Superman of his era because he captured the essence of patriarch that is Superman. He's not Jesus, BTW, he's your Dad. Don't let the christians fool you, they try to take credit for everything, like christmas and easter, both peagan holidays origionally, celebrating winter and spring solstice respectively. That and it was a pioneering new show on TV in its infancy.

CR was the definitive Superman of his era because of his uncanny resemblance, and his exceptional performance in the dual role of Superman/CK. He convinced us a man could fly while acting in his flying rig, and Donner, and crew pioneered new flying effects that were so remarkable in '78 that they created a new Oscar catagory to honour them.

Dean Cain was the definitive Superman of his era because...he was the star of the show on TV? Was it because he wore the costume and the WB said he was Superman? Was it because it was what was on TV at the time?

See where I'm going with this line of thought? Although opinions are not entirely right or wrong, they are certainly not equal. Some have more merit than others.

[Oldguy]

When it's crunch time at work I can't call in sick, because I run my own company. I am at the forefront, and YOU'RE RIGHT, it would look bad.

If one of my employees called in and said they were sick I wouldn't tell them they were a puss and fire them. How does that make sense?

If somebody is coming in for an interview and they can't make it, sick or otherwise, I give them one more chance.

He went to the interview, so we can't rewrite history to fit your OLDGUY GOSPEL anyway.

You can't fire an employee for being sick. Grab a clue.

Yay, you are eager to hire people who buckle under some personal discomfort. I bet your accountant is ecstatic about that.

My wifey thinks Routh is a wimp after reading this article. She also thinks Routh looks ok, as Superboy. She doean't see a Man. Is she entitled to her opinion, or does she just like to complain?

Ya he went to the interview, after his agent told him to cowboy the **** up and go.

[Metropolis_Man]

Does anyone know about how many people actually got to audition for the man of steel?

[Alonsovich]

Does anyone know about how many people actually got to audition for the man of steel?

For Singer only or in the total Ratner/Mcg/Singer 3 year span?

[Oldguy]

For whatever reason he has targeted me...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metropolis_Man
You know what I realized, you're actually like a literal old guy. Too afraid to accept any kind of change.


Heh Heh. :eek:

Hmm I wonder whatever reason that could be?

[Showtime]

Well to Whack it wasn't the relevence of the article, rather Routh's admitted unprofessionalism was. Yet here you are, posting away on this thread, attempting damage control, reminding us what is and isn't relevant.

To top it off, you then insinuate that these unflattering posts are causing you bodily harm. If you are truly as "unbiased" as you claim, why did you post here at all, other than to quash dissention with the awe and might of your unified conformity group, GAM.

What's the point of GAM? You guys PM one an other when you need some back up in an arguement? Should I be expecting more of you?


You know what's funny, Whack and I were having some fun in the post. Why are you sticking your neck out to defend him, when he wasn't even offended. Go back to page 3 and read a little bit. We were having some fun. This thing they call fun, that is what made me say I was getting a headache.

If it's GAM that bothers you then that's fine and if you want to come at me because you think I am some kind of leader thats fine too. I don't see any "GAM MEMBERS" jumping to my defense? Where are they? Where are these posters you are calling comformists?

If you think back for a moment, and stop trying to only look at my posts that half-heartedly back your argument, you will remember we have discussed the movie before.

If you can remember, we discussed the following:

1) I agreed on your origin theory, or re-origin, and alot of it was being
rehashed.
2) I was aggrevated with aspects of the suit; belt, no logo on cape...
3) I emphasized that I didn't like some of the choices that were being
made by Singer.

Now you are arguing with me about differing views on what should one do when faced with a headache? Come on man.

[skruloos]

skruloos, you must really let me have a go at your alternate reality time machine. Seems like a lot more fun than reality, I guess that's why you spend so much time there.
Don't be absurd. You don't need a machine to understand that people have differing opinions about things. There are things that different people simply will not accept changes for. If Singer had done a complete reboot, there'd be people complaining that it was trying to be "better" than the Reeve's films by redoing the origin. If Singer had chosen to not use the Williams' theme at all, people would have complained that such a distinct tune was not used. The same thing happened when it was announced that Nolan wouldn't use Elfman's Batman theme. There WERE people who didn't accept Reeve's Superman because he didn't act like George Reeves' Superman and they complained about it.

You simply can't function under the assumption that everyone would accept an entirely new characterization by Routh universally. There will always be complainers.

[Alonsovich]

I think it's time all of you stop with this discussion... just a suggestion...







































































...on the other hand if you guys want to kill yourselves using medieval weapons I'll let you. I will just watch while I eat this popcorn and drink this beer...:o

[Showtime]

You can't fire an employee for being sick. Grab a clue.

Yay, you are eager to hire people who buckle under some personal discomfort. I bet your accountant is exstatic about that.

My wifey thinks Routh is a wimp after reading this article. She also thinks Routh looks ok, as Superboy. She doean't see a Man. Is she entitled to her opinion, or does she just like to complain?

Ya he went to the interview, after his agent told him to cowboy the **** up and go.

My company is quite lucrative and the hires I have made have gotten me where I am today. You don't know what you're talking about.

I see, your wifes opinion is gospel just like yours, and all the rest of our opinions don't count. Very nice.

[Showtime]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metropolis_Man
You know what I realized, you're actually like a literal old guy. Too afraid to accept any kind of change.




Hmm I wonder whatever reason that could be?

I laughed and put up a shocked face? The wrath of Old Guy knows no boundries.

[Metropolis_Man]

For Singer only or in the total Ratner/Mcg/Singer 3 year span?

Thanks for trying to help me switch the subject around. I've posted 3 or 4 things to try to get this topic away from the arguments, but anyways...

I guess in total. Singer/Ratner/McG I know they tried for Brendan Frasier, Josh Hartnett, and theres a few others I can't really remember right now, but who were some of the main, sort of unknowns that actually got to go in a read a few lines of the script.

[Alonsovich]

Thanks for trying to help me switch the subject around. I've posted 3 or 4 things to try to get this topic away from the arguments, but anyways...

I guess in total. Singer/Ratner/McG I know they tried for Brendan Frasier, Josh Hartnett, and theres a few others I can't really remember right now, but who were some of the main, sort of unknowns that actually got to go in a read a few lines of the script.

You're welcome. As far as I remember these auditioned:

Brendan Fraser, Josh Hartnett, Paul Walker, Matthew Bomer, Victor Webster, Ashton Kutcher, Henry Cavill, Jason Behr, Brandon Routh (Brandon and Cavill were the only ones to get a second audition), Jake Gyllenhaal, Jared Padalecki and Mike Vogel. Hayden Christensen was scheduled to audition but dropped.

I'm sure there are many more though.

[Metropolis_Man]

You're welcome. As far as I remember these auditioned:

Brendan Fraser, Josh Hartnett, Paul Walker, Matthew Bomer, Victor Webster, Ashton Kutcher, Henry Cavill, Jason Behr, Brandon Routh (Brandon and Cavill were the only ones to get a second audition), Jake Gyllenhaal, Jared Padalecki and Mike Vogel. Hayden Christensen was scheduled to audition but dropped.

I'm sure there are many more though.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Kutcher and I didn't even know about Hayden Christensen being up for the role. And yeah, there probably were tons more that tried out. I remember being pretty shocked about Kutcher going for it, nothing against him, but I didn't picture him as Superman in anyway.

[Oldguy]

...You simply can't function under the assumption that everyone would accept an entirely new characterization by Routh universally. There will always be complainers.

Thats not the point, big surprise you missed it. Yes, you can't please all of the people all of the time,(see how easy I simplify the words you fail to conyey? silly skruloos, one day you'll learn simplification, not complication is the way.)

What you so pathetically attempt to infer, with your comment People just like to complain. is that all complaints (about BR as Superman) are invalid. Nice tactic, especially the part where you support your theory with your (patent-pending) alternate-verse omniscientonicron, telling us what would have happened because you just know it to be true. Too bad I'm not 15 years old, or it might have worked.

Man I've been gone all these months and I can still make you look stupid. Nice to see somethings havent changed.

There WERE people who didn't accept Reeve's Superman because he didn't act like George Reeves' Superman and they complained about it.

Prove it. Link some proof that there was any discernable division between fans over CR's portralyal of Superman in '78.

[Superman \S/]

Awesome interview.

[Alonsovich]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Kutcher and I didn't even know about Hayden Christensen being up for the role. And yeah, there probably were tons more that tried out. I remember being pretty shocked about Kutcher going for it, nothing against him, but I didn't picture him as Superman in anyway.

Call me crazy, but given the case I don't think he would've been bad at all in the role. The guy at least has the height to pull it off. Some of the others were also good choices, especially Bomer and Cavill.

[Metropolis_Man]

Call me crazy, but given the case I don't think he would've been bad at all in the role. The guy at least has the height to pull it off. Some of the others were also good choices, especially Bomer and Cavill.

Oh really? You're right about the height, he definatly has that to pull it off. Yeah, Bomer and Cavill were probably my next choices if Brandon wouldn't have gotten it. As far as appearance, I think that guy from the very first Joe Millionaire show looked a lot like Superman. I just don't know if his acting skills were up to par or not.

[skruloos]

What you so pathetically attempt to infer, with your comment is that all complaints (about BR as Superman) are invalid. Nice tactic, especially the part where you support your theory with your (patent-pending) alternate-verse omniscientonicron, telling us what would have happened because you just know it to be true. Too bad I'm not 15 years old, or it might have worked.
No. I was merely using an example of a flipside and using a universal truth. People will complain. A lot of times, people like to complain simply because they like to vent.


Man I've been gone all these months and I can still make you look stupid. Nice to see somethings havent changed.
Ah, so now you've come into possession of an alternate reality machine?


Prove it. Link some proof that there was any discernable division between fans over CR's portralyal of Superman in '78.
Like what? Personal recollections of people who prefer George Reeves' character over Reeve? I supposse you could ask Robocop. He's quite open about his preference.

Or can you provide proof that Reeve won every George Reeves fan over and prefer his Superman to GR's? Are you really implying that 100% of audience members were accepting of Reeve? That's a bit hard to swallow.

[Oldguy]

My company is quite lucrative and the hires I have made have gotten me where I am today. You don't know what you're talking about.

I see, your wifes opinion is gospel just like yours, and all the rest of our opinions don't count. Very nice.

When did I say mine was gospel? I just stated it, and the basis for it. If that is too intimidating for you, don't respond to my posts. I'm not mean, you're just too sensitive.

Don't hate on me because you have no basis for your affection for BR other than you like him because WB execs authorized Singer to give him the job, after they rejected Singer's first choice.

Oh wait, in the face of solidarity and to appear faithful in the lead actor, this comprimise never actually happened anymore.

[Showtime]

When did I say mine was gospel? I just stated it, and the basis for it. If that is too intimidating for you, don't respond to my posts. I'm not mean, you're just too sensitive.

Don't hate on me because you have no basis for your affection for BR other than you like him because WB execs authorized Singer to give him the job, after they rejected Singer's first choice.

Oh wait, in the face of solidarity and to appear faithful in the lead actor, this comprimise never actually happened anymore.

Not sensitive at all. I just find it funny that all your typical Oldguy backlash has come to the top of your Ovaltene based on a joking discussion I had with Whack Arnolds. If you think I am intimidated by you than you are sadly mistaken.

Actually, I don't know if you have been on the boards lately at all or not, but most posters on this board think you're a joke, and take nothing you say seriously. I on the other hand didn't, and defended your merit on the boards and the validity of your opinions. So if I was so pro-Singer and so Pro Routh than why would I even take the time to even pay attention to the "World According to Oldguy"?

I have no affection for Routh personally, if you really wanted to check back on my posts you would realize that I had many other actors in mind and even detailed what I would have done differently in regards to the storyline.

[Alonsovich]

Oh really? You're right about the height, he definatly has that to pull it off. Yeah, Bomer and Cavill were probably my next choices if Brandon wouldn't have gotten it. As far as appearance, I think that guy from the very first Joe Millionaire show looked a lot like Superman. I just don't know if his acting skills were up to par or not.

I don't think his acting skills were all that there. Anothe of the candidates was Jerry O'Connell. I think he auditioned for Ratner.

[Oldguy]

Ah, so now you've come into possession of an alternate reality machine?

No, just reading comprehension 101.

Like what?

Uh oh, here we go again. Did you just try to pass off your bull**** claims without any proof? Tsk tsk. Not very smart skruloos, almost kind of stupid really.

Sigh, now for the part in our conversation where I point out your inadequete reading comprehension.

Are you really implying that 100% of audience members were accepting of Reeve? That's a bit hard to swallow.

Prove it. Link some proof that there was any discernable division between fans over CR's portralyal of Superman in '78.

Do I really need to link the definition of discernable to you? I would think that my request for proof also outlined my position on the % of fans fans who were pleased with CR, seeing as how I earlier acknowledged the old addage, you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't all of the people all of the time.

I clearly did not claim 100% of people were accepting of Reeve, yet somehow that eluded you, I get it now.

Let me know when you get it. Discernable that is, I don't have much time to wait for you to get anything else, I'm much too old for that.

[Metropolis_Man]

I don't think his acting skills were all that there. Anothe of the candidates was Jerry O'Connell. I think he auditioned for Ratner.

Yeah, I heard he was in the running at one time. One of the images from the new t-shirts kind of resembles him. Jerry O'Connell that is.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Complaining about a guy complaining about his headache. Just...wow. That's not hypocritical at all! :rolleyes:

It's funny how the guy is preaching about the power of opinion but dismissing those that have one different from his own. Again, not hypocritical at all.

[Oldguy]

Not sensitive at all. I just find it funny that all your typical Oldguy backlash has come to the top of your Ovaltene based on a joking discussion I had with Whack Arnolds.

Hmm, your 1st response to Whack's "claim"

Who cares if Routh had a headache or not? That wasn't even remotely close tot he point of the article. The relevance involves the fact that Singer knew Routh was Superman almost on the spot.

Some of these posts are giving me a major headache.

Oh, that was you joking around? Sounds like RoboMoD's getting his GAM on. My mistake.

Your next post...

Originally Posted by Mentok
HAHAHAHAH... Thats so funny :o :down

Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and we're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.

Oh yah, I see it now. Look at you and Whack "joke" around. Here I just thought it was you cheerleading someone who wasn't joking around with Whack at all. Of course it was so obvious you were joking around, it's not like I'd need a :rolleyes: or something to make your sarcasm stand out.

What was I thinking?

But hey if it was just a misunderstanding on my part, you could've just let me know right off the bat, I mean all I corrected you on was that Whacked claimed BR was a pussy for trying to get out of an interview, not for having a headache in and of itself. That was what you got so bent out of shape for right?

Oh you thought when I said some of you I was still addressing you. No, I was addressing other people that were on Whack's case.
Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

From that you percieve that I'm...
You're amazing. You've chosen to come at me with your Brandon Routh sucks agenda, you've got the wrong guy.

Reminds me of a line from an old play, something about someone protesting too much.

If you think I am intimidated by you than you are sadly mistaken.

I think all of you SR fans are intimidated by any criticisms about SR because deep down inside you know this is a mediorcre rehash of a classic movie with updated special effects. The William's theme will roar and we'll all force ourselves to make due because it's Superman and it's nostalgic of something truly great. Why else do you think they went with a clone of Reeve?

Actually, I don't know if you have been on the boards lately at all or not, but most posters on this board think you're a joke, and take nothing you say seriously.

Cmon now, do you honestly think I could care less about what the mass thinks of me? It's mass, not masses btw, mass as in malignant, festering, tumour of ignorance that permeates herd mentality.

What was your herd name again, shepard? GAM?

Gahhaahhm, Gahhaahhm, Gahhaahhm. I bet you guys would make a nice sweater.

[The Game]

LMAO, I can always count on Oldguy to deliver some Ether

[Metropolis_Man]

Hmm, your 1st response to Whack's "claim"



Oh, that was you joking around? Sounds like RoboMoD's getting his GAM on. My mistake.

Your next post...

Originally Posted by Mentok
HAHAHAHAH... Thats so funny :o :down



Oh yah, I see it now. Look at you and Whack "joke" around. Here I just thought it was you cheerleading someone who wasn't joking around with Whack at all. Of course it was so obvious you were joking around, it's not like I'd need a :rolleyes: or something to make your sarcasm stand out.

What was I thinking?

But hey if it was just a misunderstanding on my part, you could've just let me know right off the bat, I mean all I corrected you on was that Whacked claimed BR was a pussy for trying to get out of an interview, not for having a headache in and of itself. That was what you got so bent out of shape for right?

Oh you thought when I said some of you I was still addressing you. No, I was addressing other people that were on Whack's case.


From that you percieve that I'm...


Reminds me of a line from an old play, something about someone protesting too much.



I think all of you SR fans are intimidated by any criticisms about SR because deep down inside you know this is a mediorcre rehash of a classic movie with updated special effects. The William's theme will roar and we'll all force ourselves to make due because it's Superman and it's nostalgic of something truly great. Why else do you think they went with a clone of Reeve?



Cmon now, do you honestly think I could care less about what the mass thinks of me? It's mass, not masses btw, mass as in malignant, festering, tumour of ignorance that permeates herd mentality.

What was your herd name again, shepard? GAM?

Gahhaahhm, Gahhaahhm, Gahhaahhm. I bet you guys would make a nice sweater.

Did your wife help you write this?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I think all of you SR fans are intimidated by any criticisms about SR because deep down inside you know this is a mediorcre rehash of a classic movie with updated special effects. The William's theme will roar and we'll all force ourselves to make due because it's Superman and it's nostalgic of something truly great. Why else do you think they went with a clone of Reeve?

I dismiss the rest of your PMS fest because it's silly personal crap that I have nor want any part of, but the above quote is just plain silly and unjustified.

You certainly do not know that the film is a "mediocre rehash" since it isn't even made yet, unless your angry, trollish grasp of the world magically extends to the future.

It's funny how you're calling out the 'lovers' for their blind acceptance when you yourself are exhibiting the common characterisitcs of the 'haters', which is to unrelentingly hate and criticize when you aren't even in possession of the complete facts about the very thing you're hating.

So how are you any better?

[Showtime]

Again, you fail to provide all the facts. All anyone has to do is go back to about page 3 to realize that me and Whack had no hard feelings, even he knew I wasn't flaming him. For some reason you are having a hard time swallowing that fact. It's ok though. I forgive you. In fact, I won't make you go back and post anything more, I will do it for you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Showtime029
Don't even bother man. It's pointless, Brandon is a puss because he got a headache and wi're his boyfriends for even thinking otherwise.

Exactly, lol.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Showtime029
I just wanted to clarify!


LOL, at least you can be a good sport about it. I got no beef with any of you guys, or Brandon Routh. I was just making fun of the absurdity of not showing up for an hour or two because of a headache

Quote:
Originally Posted by Showtime029
Well when you asked me to feed you grapes while we were playing PS2 I thought it was a tad askew.

Bwahaha... he's like: "I just got to level two, hey... can you manually feed me some grapes?" "Oh and put on that cold play album."

Sounds like me and Whack were really having a heated debate, there was definitely no joking around. You are so right Oldguy.

[Oldguy]

Complaining about a guy complaining about his headache. Just...wow. That's not hypocritical at all! :rolleyes:

It's funny how the guy is preaching about the power of opinion but dismissing those that have one different from his own. Again, not hypocritical at all.

Here ya go oooxxx\\\\\SolidSnakeMGS/////xxxooo, drag your fingers along the words if it helps.

Opinions are only as valid as the facts they are based upon.

GR was the definitive Superman of his era because he captured the essence of patriarch that is Superman. He's not Jesus, BTW, he's your Dad. Don't let the christians fool you, they try to take credit for everything, like christmas and easter, both peagan holidays origionally, celebrating winter and spring solstice respectively. That and it was a pioneering new show on TV in its infancy.

CR was the definitive Superman of his era because of his uncanny resemblance, and his exceptional performance in the dual role of Superman/CK. He convinced us a man could fly while acting in his flying rig, and Donner, and crew pioneered new flying effects that were so remarkable in '78 that they created a new Oscar catagory to honour them.

Dean Cain was the definitive Superman of his era because...he was the star of the show on TV? Was it because he wore the costume and the WB said he was Superman? Was it because it was what was on TV at the time?

See where I'm going with this line of thought? Although opinions are not entirely right or wrong, they are certainly not equal. Some have more merit than others.

People that liked Routh right off the bat, because he was lean, graceful like a swimmer have a valid opinion because there's a reason why they have their opinion. People that dislike Routh's appearance, because Superman is a pugilist and strongman, have a valid opinion because it has a reason behind it.

People that like Routh because he's the lead in the new movie from WB, or the people who didn't like Routh, but have learned to assimilate to what is inevitable don't have valid opinions. They are just doing as they are told. The only way they can feel remorseless about their assimilation, is by silencing dissention. It's quite a nasty bit of sociology, isn't it?

Which brings us to you and your compusion to silence me, when it would be so much easer to just ignore me and let my posts fade away. But you can't have that can you? You feel the need to confront, and dismiss my comments.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Here ya go oooxxx\\\\\SolidSnakeMGS/////xxxooo, drag your fingers along the words if it helps.

Wow, I'm simply mesmerized by the sheer power of that rebuke. Really...did you go to school for that type of sharp wit or were you just gifted with it when you were spawned...uh, I mean born?

You really proved me wrong and put me in my place. Never again will I question your so NOT-hypocritical views.

:D

[Oldguy]

Again you fail to provide all the facts. All anyone has to do is go back to about page 3 to realize me and Whack had no hard feelings, even he knew I wasn't flaming him. For some reason you are having a hard time swallowing that fact...

Of course I do, it's completely irrelevant. I never accused you of flaming Whack, I accused you of misrepresenting him. Rather than repeat myself, I'll just requote my last post, maybe it will sink in.

...all I corrected you on was that Whacked claimed BR was a pussy for trying to get out of an interview, not for having a headache in and of itself. That was what you got so bent out of shape for right?

Oh you thought when I said some of you I was still addressing you. No, I was addressing other people that were on Whack's case.


Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

From that you percieve that I'm...

You're amazing. You've chosen to come at me with your Brandon Routh sucks agenda, you've got the wrong guy.
Reminds me of a line from an old play, something about someone protesting too much.

For someone who writes scripts for a living, you sure suck at reading. You don't still think I was addressing you specifically in the second underlined paragragh, do you? You do realize I never "came at you with my agenda", and you look like a complete fool, don't you?

Ah but it's ok, all the 15 year olds think you're cool.

[Oldguy]

LMAO, I can always count on Oldguy to deliver some Ether

Wow, you showed up and I didn't even have to PM you. I'll never quit you, NEVER!:D But haven't you heard? I'm a joke who's opinions have no value. Get with the program for chissakes!!!;)

[Showtime]

You're doing a great job of trying to reclaim your place Oldguy, but I don't see anybody calling me a fool but you?

Why don't you have a MOD check my PM list and let me know if they find one PM to anyone in regards to your little self righteous explosion? Go for it. I am welcome to anyone of them taking a look if they can. MORG, C. LEE, DEW, LIGHTNING STRIKES. I don't need to call for backup because your just ranting and raving as usual. I have been enjoying it when you do it to others, so why wouldn't I enjoy it now?

You're a peach OLDGUY, a peach.

[Oldguy]

You're doing a great job of trying to reclaim your place Oldguy, but I don't see anybody calling me a fool but you?

WTF?? Reclaim my place? Was there a place to be had? Man, you forumn lifers frighten me. Save the drama for your mama, sir. If there is a place or throne or position of social relevance to be had here, I want no part of it. I do not aspire to proclaim myself God amoung men or anything like that.

So what if none of the rats speak ill of their piper? You still overreacted and made a fool of yourself by playing the role of Lady Macduff. I don't need confirmation of the mass when my own faculties serve quite well.

[Showtime]

WTF?? Reclaim my place? Was there a place to be had? Man, you forumn lifers frighten me. Save the drama for your mama, sir. If there is a place or throne or position of social relevance to be had here, I want no part of it. I do not aspire to proclaim myself God amoung men or anything like that.

So what if none of the rats speak ill of their piper? You still overreacted and made a fool of yourself by playing the role of Lady Macduff. I don't need confirmation of the mass when my own faculties serve quite well.

Heh Heh. Oldguy. You're a treat.

[Oldguy]

...Why don't you have a MOD check my PM list and let me know if they find one PM to anyone in regards to your little self righteous explosion? Go for it. I am welcome to anyone of them taking a look if they can. MORG, C. LEE, DEW, LIGHTNING STRIKES. I don't need to call for backup because your just ranting and raving as usual. I have been enjoying it when you do it to others, so why wouldn't I enjoy it now?

You're a peach OLDGUY, a peach.

Oh a late edit, and a little more of that MacDuff magic.

I make a vague insinuation of the purpose of these internet forum herds, and this is how you respond?

You protest too much sir, you betray your insecurities. Watch yourself, weakness only encourages me.

[Fatboy Roberts]

I've always been better at this than Oldguy, by the way :) I'm enjoying watching this only because he's adopted some of my styles and it's flattering.

Good goin old man. It would have been a lot better if it was line-by-line free, though. It's hard as hell to read all the back-and-forth when each one is a moby dick sized collection of quotes I've already read two times previous because I can actually follow along and read more than one post in the past :)

[Showtime]

Oh a late edit, and a little more of that MacDuff magic.

I make a vague insinuation of the purpose of these internet forum herds, and this is how you respond?

You protest too much sir, you betray your insecurities. Watch yourself, weakness only encourages me.

Encourages you to do what, try to back me into a corner to make me look bad? I don't know if I can take that. It might ruin me.

[Fatboy Roberts]

Everybody Dance!!

[Metropolis_Man]

I don't even think thats Old Guy now, its definately his wife.

[KaptainKrypton]

Everybody Dance!!
High kicks, people! High kicks!

[Oldguy]

I've always been better at this than Oldguy, by the way :) I'm enjoying watching this only because he's adopted some of my styles and it's flattering.

OMG, it's my stalker who fantasizes about being my nemesis. The lifer to end all lifers, it's Fatboy Roberts!!!

Hey man how's it going?

uh-huh

uh-huh

uh-huh

really?

kool

uh-huh

uh-huh

yes, I'm listening, uh-huh

uh-huh

uh-huh

[Showtime]

You know whats funny, I bet Oldguy is the exact opposite in real life. He plays some bizzaro role on the boards.

[Metropolis_Man]

OMG, it's my stalker who fantasizes about being my nemesis. The lifer to end all lifers, it's Fatboy Roberts!!!

Hey man how's it going?

uh-huh

uh-huh

uh-huh

really?

kool

uh-huh

uh-huh

yes, I'm listening, uh-huh

uh-huh

uh-huh

So let me get this straight, your wife has to help you write essays before you come on SHH to reply to a meaningless topic in which you waste your time and more noteably everyone elses time around you making arguments which, when upon looking forth backwards upon the time written have no good nature and productivity to the topic itself. Bravo, make sure you proof read before your next posting. Have some of this Bojangles if you like as well :) Food = Brain power.

[Fatboy Roberts]

what lifer? You've been here longer than me, remember? Don't get mad, man, it's all gravy, I was appreciating the appropriation of the styles I used to crap all over your head when I first got here. I think I still got the string of PM's that you initiated, actually, it was fun stuff. If I remember correctly, you kept PM'ing me to tell me you never read anything I wrote and were ignoring me. Which is sort of oxymoronic. Plus a little unbelievable because you kept working my better lines into your sig files. Hard to say you're not reading what I'm writing when you're signing everything you type with my words, right? :)

I thought it was all good, dude. I'm giving you a bravo or two, you did a pretty good job of utterly clusterf**king the thread right here. AND it looks like you had fun doing it. It's all smiles, man. Be proud of yourself and your ability to poke a stick at a superman messageboard and make it buzz loudly. :)

You know whats funny, I bet Oldguy is the exact opposite in real life.

Nah, that's Buggs. Buggs is the one putting on an act. Oldguy is more like an angry amplification of his actual personality. Although the anonymity of the internet always inflames such things.

[Oldguy]

You know whats funny, I bet Oldguy is the exact opposite in real life. He plays some bizzaro role on the boards.

Right, because anyone who thinks Routh looks like a boy, and is dissapointed to see a Donner hommage must be a completely fabricated personality.

[Fatboy Roberts]

It's not the opinion he's talking about. It's the vitriolic overreaction and projecting you do in every ham-handed attempt at a putdown when someone disagrees with you in a manner you can't corner them on.

At least I'm guessing that's what it is. But again, I thank you for working on the acidity of that vitriol. You're wielding it a lot better than you used to.

[Showtime]

Right, because anyone who thinks Routh looks like a boy, and is dissapointed to see a Donner hommage must be a completely fabricated personality.

Now, that is just putting words in my mouth. I agreed with about the Donner homage. I know you're old and can't remember, but I did.

[Oldguy]

So let me get this straight, your wife has to help you write essays before you come on SHH to reply to a meaningless topic in which you waste your time and more noteably everyone elses time around you making arguments which, when upon looking forth backwards upon the time written have no good nature and productivity to the topic itself. Bravo, make sure you proof read before your next posting. Have some of this Bojangles if you like as well :) Food = Brain power.

Ahh yes, innapropriate behavior, what was I thinking?

But the real question is, what are you thinking? It takes two to tango, and here we are. So what's your excuse for your contribution to this derailment?

[Metropolis_Man]

Right, because anyone who thinks Routh looks like a boy, and is dissapointed to see a Donner hommage must be a completely fabricated personality.

I would say so, but what do I know eh?:)

[Showtime]

what lifer? You've been here longer than me, remember? Don't get mad, man, it's all gravy, I was appreciating the appropriation of the styles I used to crap all over your head when I first got here. I think I still got the string of PM's that you initiated, actually, it was fun stuff. If I remember correctly, you kept PM'ing me to tell me you never read anything I wrote and were ignoring me. Which is sort of oxymoronic. Plus a little unbelievable because you kept working my better lines into your sig files. Hard to say you're not reading what I'm writing when you're signing everything you type with my words, right? :)

I thought it was all good, dude. I'm giving you a bravo or two, you did a pretty good job of utterly clusterf**king the thread right here. AND it looks like you had fun doing it. It's all smiles, man. Be proud of yourself and your ability to poke a stick at a superman messageboard and make it buzz loudly. :)



Nah, that's Buggs. Buggs is the one putting on an act. Oldguy is more like an angry amplification of his actual personality. Although the anonymity of the internet always inflames such things.

Buggs is the guy who called your show right?

[Fatboy Roberts]

See, now here's the move you are faced with, Metropolis Man: He's set a nice little trap there. You can engage him on this, and try to directly answer his question, thus admitting guilt and putting yourself on a level comparable to his, thus debasing yourself and deflating your opinion. You can pretend to ignore him, as he does me, and hope he goes away. Or you can actually hold to your initial assertion and continue hammering at that point, as even he is inable to defend his action. Note that his response was to say "BUT YOU DID IT TOO, HA HAHAHA I TRAPPED YOU" and not "I didn't do that."

He's not denying he's an asshead about this, he's reveling in it. You can try to wrestle with him on it, you can ignore, or you can maintain your stance.

Buggs is the guy who called your show right?

yuuup.

[Metropolis_Man]

Ahh yes, innapropriate behavior, what was I thinking?

But the real question is, what are you thinking? It takes two to tango, and here we are. So what's your excuse for your contribution to this derailment?

Hmm, no reason really, I think you're hypocritical. And you got on Showtimes case for no reason, and hes a good friend, just thought I would say he was wrongfully accused with leslie nelson. Other than that, I really don't have a lot to do, and my debating skills are horrible compared to yours and Showtimes, so I thought I would work on that some as well :)

[Showtime]

See, now here's the move you are faced with, Metropolis Man: He's set a nice little trap there. You can engage him on this, and try to directly answer his question, thus admitting guilt and putting yourself on a level comparable to his, thus debasing yourself and deflating your opinion. You can pretend to ignore him, as he does me, and hope he goes away. Or you can actually hold to your initial assertion and continue hammering at that point, as even he is inable to defend his action. Note that his response was to say "BUT YOU DID IT TOO, HA HAHAHA I TRAPPED YOU" and not "I didn't do that."

He's not denying he's an asshead about this, he's reveling in it. You can try to wrestle with him on it, you can ignore, or you can maintain your stance.

Man, he's like a handbook for dealing with OLDGUY? I didn't even know there was one? :eek: I need lessons FBoy, what can you do for me.

[Fatboy Roberts]

oooh. poorly played, Met Man. You sorta ruined whatever pleasure he could take in the "victory" over you by committing messageboard hara-kiri (I'm stupid and I suck, haha) but he's still gonna go for the stab. Sorta like a starving vampire: They don't LIKE eating rats and pigs, but they'll take em. Zombies will still eat a suicide if it's fresh enough. You essentially agreed with his characterization of you, regardless of whether it's true or not. That's a key part to his style--he creates a personality for you out of thin air (usually his own projections) and tries to trick you into accepting it. Like, for example, at the top of this page, where HE calls ME his "stalker," even though he PM's me, he quotes my lines in his sig and he is so threatened by my appearance in the thread he immediately and ham-handedly goes back into the old schtick he ran on me poorly the FIRST time we tangled. Whats' funny is that I was actually giving him props, he just reacted poorly to it and here you go.

It's a clinic here, people. Take notes.

[Metropolis_Man]

See, now here's the move you are faced with, Metropolis Man: He's set a nice little trap there. You can engage him on this, and try to directly answer his question, thus admitting guilt and putting yourself on a level comparable to his, thus debasing yourself and deflating your opinion. You can pretend to ignore him, as he does me, and hope he goes away. Or you can actually hold to your initial assertion and continue hammering at that point, as even he is inable to defend his action. Note that his response was to say "BUT YOU DID IT TOO, HA HAHAHA I TRAPPED YOU" and not "I didn't do that."

He's not denying he's an asshead about this, he's reveling in it. You can try to wrestle with him on it, you can ignore, or you can maintain your stance.



yuuup.

Haha, I was ignoring him earlier for the most part, trying to bring up stuff to change the subject, but I figured I'd try to have some fun. My debating skills are horrible, haha, I know. I'm not too much of a serious guy so I figured I'd try my sense of humor here, its all I've got. It looked like a pretty heated debate so I wanted to jump in and see what I could throw on the fire. I can't keep up though, haha, OldGuy can easily rip me to shreds.

[Showtime]

Whats the proper move then, this could be interesting, if I could only harness your powers and use it for good.

[Oldguy]

It's not the opinion he's talking about. It's the vitriolic overreaction and projecting you do in every ham-handed attempt at a putdown when someone disagrees with you in a manner you can't corner them on.

At least I'm guessing that's what it is. But again, I thank you for working on the acidity of that vitriol. You're wielding it a lot better than you used to.

Oh won't somebody please, think about the children!!!

Cmon Fatboy, I don't put down people that disagree with me, I put down people with meritless opinions who persecute or dismiss views simply because they contradict their own.

[Fatboy Roberts]

well, I can say that self-deprecation isn't going to work with this dude, so constantly cutting yourself off at the knees isn't going to help. Dude's happy with carrion, he doesn't need a fresh kill. It's all meat to him.

If you've got your opinion, you think it's solid and you can articulate your backup coherently, I'd just stick to that and point out the subtle jabs and personal undermining he tries to sneak in whenever you can. Keep the playing field even. He does have an interesting perspective, but he likes flipping you over on your back and digging for fresh meat if he can. The opinion is a means to doing that, is all. It's almost secondary. The discussion exists to establish online e-dominance over others, with him. It's why fights constantly erupt around him.

If you can appeal to his sense of elitism, you've got him. Then you two can talk, and the ideas exchanged end up being pretty interesting, differing opinion or no. :)

I do enjoy the back and forth with the guy (we were on good terms when he bailed, if I remember right)

[Showtime]

^It's amazing, I thought I was immune to Oldguys attacks because I actually agreed with alot of his theories. I guess nobody is safe.

[Oldguy]

Now, that is just putting words in my mouth. I agreed with about the Donner homage. I know you're old and can't remember, but I did.

Sheesh, you go for the age insult? ****ing weak, man.

I put words in your mouth? So why do you think I'm some sort of role player then? the fact that I disagree with popular opinion?

[Showtime]

Sheesh, you go for the age insult? ****ing weak, man.

I put words in your mouth? So why do you think I'm some sort of role player then? the fact that I disagree with popular opinion?

Man Oldguy, you are on a boards bender tonight. I was just screwing around. As I have already told you numerous times, and you know this to be fact, I gave you your due for having your own opinion.

Age insulting? I was refering to your USER ID...OLD...GUY...?

Where is the ****ing love?

[Fatboy Roberts]

he's got the red ass right now, it's like putting your hand in front of the dog dish while it's eating. Even if you just want to pet him, he's gonna snap right now. I gave him props earlier for being better at stirring people up than he used to be, and he called me a stalker/lifer.

Although he's been here 6 months longer and has over a thousand more posts :)

[Showtime]

he's got the red ass right now, it's like putting your hand in front of the dog dish while it's eating. Even if you just want to pet him, he's gonna snap right now.

That is actually a pretty good analogy.

[Metropolis_Man]

What kind of food does the dog have? Thats the real question.

[Showtime]

he's got the red ass right now, it's like putting your hand in front of the dog dish while it's eating. Even if you just want to pet him, he's gonna snap right now. I gave him props earlier for being better at stirring people up than he used to be, and he called me a stalker/lifer.

Although he's been here 6 months longer and has over a thousand more posts :)

I have a target on my back. It's not a big bright red target, more of a darker red. It's a different shade than the classic target, but a traditional target nonetheless.

[Fatboy Roberts]

Mashed Potatoes, Geritol and Maalox.

[Showtime]

What kind of food does the dog have? Thats the real question.

I think my arm.

[Oldguy]

Hmm, no reason really, I think you're hypocritical. And you got on Showtimes case for no reason, and hes a good friend, just thought I would say he was wrongfully accused with leslie nelson. Other than that, I really don't have a lot to do, and my debating skills are horrible compared to yours and Showtimes, so I thought I would work on that some as well :)

So you saw an injustice in your eyes, and you wanted to support Showtimes. I saw a bunch of people getting on Whack's case, Showtime misrepresented Whack by claiming Whack thought Routh was a pussy for having a headache, and I clarified what Whacked meant.

Showtimes got offended, boo hoo. Fatboy showed up for some vain attempt at glory as the self appointed slayer of Oldguy.

Our positions aren't really that different. Don't let Fatboy or Showtimes fool you, I'm not out for the "glory" of reputation that these guys crave. I'm not here to reclaim postitions, or hold clinics like these two. I see aspects of SR in pre-production, and I feel the need to express myself just like anyone else, simple as that.

[Fatboy Roberts]

Nope.

Cute though. With the attempt to cast people as what you need them to be in order to secure the upper hand in this meaningless argument. But it falls apart the instant you realize that using "Oldguy" as a means to attaining "glory" is a conceit only someone as self-involved and hung up on themselves as "Oldguy" would consider even remotely plausible. :)

I'm just helpin people out here. :)

[Showtime]

So you saw an injustice in your eyes, and you wanted to support Showtimes. I saw a bunch of people getting on Whack's case, Showtime misrepresented Whack by claiming Whack thought Routh was a pussy for having a headache, and I clarified what Whacked meant.

Showtimes got offended, boo hoo. Fatboy showed up for some vain attempt at glory as the self appointed slayer of Oldguy.

Our positions aren't really that different. Don't let Fatboy or Showtimes fool you, I'm not out for the "glory" of reputation that these guys crave. I'm not here to reclaim postitions, or hold clinics like these two. I see aspects of SR in pre-production, and I feel the need to express myself just like anyone else, simple as that.

How did you know about my clinic? :confused:

[Fatboy Roberts]

That's my clinic. Stop attaining my glory.

[Showtime]

That's my clinic. Stop attaining my glory.

Well I was quite upset by Oldguy's retorts. I was just searching for some glory, now I have nothing.

[Metropolis_Man]

I have a target on my back. It's not a big bright red target, more of a darker red. It's a different shade than the classic target, but a traditional target nonetheless.

And what size is this target. Is it the normal billboard size or did they have to size it down a bit because it was 3-D.

[Showtime]

And what size is this target. Is it the normal billboard size or did they have to size it down a bit because it was 3-D.

It is smaller, but it's not any smaller than other Targets from days gone by.

[Metropolis_Man]

So you saw an injustice in your eyes, and you wanted to support Showtimes. I saw a bunch of people getting on Whack's case, Showtime misrepresented Whack by claiming Whack thought Routh was a pussy for having a headache, and I clarified what Whacked meant.

Showtimes got offended, boo hoo. Fatboy showed up for some vain attempt at glory as the self appointed slayer of Oldguy.

Our positions aren't really that different. Don't let Fatboy or Showtimes fool you, I'm not out for the "glory" of reputation that these guys crave. I'm not here to reclaim postitions, or hold clinics like these two. I see aspects of SR in pre-production, and I feel the need to express myself just like anyone else, simple as that.

I apologize then to you sir, I did not realize Whack was getting trampled upon in such a way. Its good to see still, through all this that you stand on firm ground. I definately respect that very much. While our opinions do differ, I will try not to step on anyone elses opinion on this board from now on. You have opened my eyes with this most recent statement and I have seen the error of my ways. I will certainly choose my words differently from now on and keep respect for each and every opinion on this board, with your blessing of course. :)

[Showtime]

I apologize then to you sir, I did not realize Whack was getting trampled upon in such a way. Its good to see still, through all this that you stand on firm ground. I definately respect that very much. While our opinions do differ, I will try not to step on anyone elses opinion on this board from now on. You have opened my eyes with this most recent statement and I have seen the error of my ways. I will certainly choose my words differently from now on and keep respect for each and every opinion on this board, with your blessing of course. :)

I am shocked at this, I can't believe you have turned against GAM. Don't you know that GAM controls the boards and that GAM is all mighty! How can you mock such a fine institution. We love Routh and we love Singer. Everybody else needs to as well. You can't have any bad opinions about the movie, Singer, or Routh. GAM GAM GAM GAM GAM GAM

Kneel before us, blah, blah, blah! :ghost:

[Fatboy Roberts]

I was just searching for some glory, now I have nothing.

awww. well, okay, just this once, you can have some glory from Oldguy's existence. He'll just regenerate more, he's a glorious kind of guy. It's not every day you topple such a fair-minded, even-handed, simple, pure, self-righteous guy who just likes to talk and give opinions simply and purely. So when you do, you've gotta get all the glory from it that you can. But don't expect people to spoonfeed you the glory, kid. You've gotta earn it.

[Showtime]

awww. well, okay, just this once, you can have some glory from Oldguy's existence. He'll just regenerate more, he's a glorious kind of guy. It's not every day you topple such a fair-minded, even-handed, simple, pure, self-righteous guy who just likes to talk and give opinions simply and purely. So when you do, you've gotta get all the glory from it that you can. But don't expect people to spoonfeed you the glory, kid. You've gotta earn it.

You haven't given up on me?

[Metropolis_Man]

I am shocked at this, I can't believe you have turned against GAM. Don't you know that GAM controls the boards and that GAM is all mighty! How can you mock such a fine institution. We love Routh and we love Singer. Everybody else needs to as well. You can't have any bad opinions about the movie, Singer, or Routh. GAM GAM GAM GAM GAM GAM

Kneel before us, blah, blah, blah! :ghost:

I haven't turned against anyone Showtime. :) After what OldGuy said I realized that I did say the wrong thing earlier, in ways trying to force my opnion on him. My opinions are right along the lines of the GAM and its members. I will just "hold my tounge" so to speak in stating my own opinions. Thats why the new philosophy of teh Uncle SAM is "opinion is everything". I am enlightened now.

[Showtime]

I haven't turned against anyone Showtime. :) After what OldGuy said I realized that I did say the wrong thing earlier, in ways trying to force my opnion on him. My opinions are right along the lines of the GAM and its members. I will just "hold my tounge" so to speak in stating my own opinions. Thats why the new philosophy of teh Uncle SAM is "opinion is everything". I am enlightened now.

Heh Heh...oh man. :ghost: :up:

[MatchesMalone]

People that liked Routh right off the bat, because he was lean, graceful like a swimmer have a valid opinion because there's a reason why they have their opinion. People that dislike Routh's appearance, because Superman is a pugilist and strongman, have a valid opinion because it has a reason behind it.

People that like Routh because he's the lead in the new movie from WB, or the people who didn't like Routh, but have learned to assimilate to what is inevitable don't have valid opinions. They are just doing as they are told. The only way they can feel remorseless about their assimilation, is by silencing dissention. It's quite a nasty bit of sociology, isn't it?

I have to say I agree with these points completely, 125%.

Opinions are formed by comparing a new stimulus to your previous experience and bias and formulating a judgement. The previous experience and bias does not necessarily have to be connected directly to the new stimulus. For instance, some people may like Routh's look because his appearance reminds them of a father or other role model they admire. This opinion would not be based on their prior experience or knowledge of Superman, but it would be a valid opinion. Others may have a preference for body type displayed by Routh, as not being comically over-muscled or what have you.

Still others may form their opinion based on a strict representation of their favorite version of Superman in the comics, television, or film, or any combination thereof, overriding any other experience or bias. This is also a valid opinion.

Conformity is not an opinion. It is a psychological act of acceptance for its own sake, and some of the many reasons for conformity are to either placate external egos or satisfy a lack of ego in the conformist. While conformity cannot be qualified as "good" or "bad" (patriotism is an act of conformity, and can go either way), it is not the formulation of an opinion.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

some vain attempt at glory as the self appointed slayer of Oldguy.

ROFL, I disagree with the very breath you take/waste, but that was funny.

[Oldguy]

I have to say I agree with these points completely, 125%.

Opinions are formed by comparing a new stimulus to your previous experience and bias and formulating a judgement. The previous experience and bias does not necessarily have to be connected directly to the new stimulus. For instance, some people may like Routh's look because his appearance reminds them of a father or other role model they admire. This opinion would not be based on their prior experience or knowledge of Superman, but it would be a valid opinion. Others may have a preference for body type displayed by Routh, as not being comically over-muscled or what have you.

Still others may form their opinion based on a strict representation of their favorite version of Superman in the comics, television, or film, or any combination thereof, overriding any other experience or bias. This is also a valid opinion.

Conformity is not an opinion. It is a psychological act of acceptance for its own sake, and some of the many reasons for conformity are to either placate external egos or satisfy a lack of ego in the conformist. While conformity cannot be qualified as "good" or "bad" (patriotism is an act of conformity, and can go either way), it is not the formulation of an opinion.

Thank you Matches, sometimes I feel so alone.....your massive vocabulary makes me feel, safe.

[Showtime]

Thank you Matches, sometimes I feel so alone.....your massive vocabulary makes me feel, safe.

It is quite massive, you know how much trouble I have with reading. :eek:

[Metropolis_Man]

I have trouble reading my own vocabulary at times.

[Showtime]

I have trouble reading my own vocabulary at times.

Well I don't blame you. Ha Ha

[Oldguy]

Have no fear my brothers, Matches' vocabulary is massive enough to shelter us all.

[Metropolis_Man]

Have no fear my brothers, Matches' vocabulary is massive enough to shelter us all.

Could his vocabulary make a Hell in the Cell cage from WWE surround my house?

[Showtime]

Could his vocabulary make a Hell in the Cell cage from WWE surround my house?

You're wiiiiieeeerd.

[MatchesMalone]

Have no fear my brothers, Matches' vocabulary is massive enough to shelter us all.

I don't want to alarm you, but that's not my vocabulary.

[Metropolis_Man]

You're wiiiiieeeerd.

Its one of the many fantasies I've had since childhood.

[Showtime]

Its one of the many fantasies I've had since childhood.

Building cages out of vocabulary.

[Oldguy]

I don't want to alarm you, but that's not my vocabulary.

BBBBLLLLLLUUUUuuuuuuuuee VVVEEEEELLLLLLLLLVVVeeeeeettttteeeeee

[Metropolis_Man]

Pretty much, I tried it once before but was only able to get the cage door and small bit of the left side :(

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Whoa, wat are u all talking about?? I've been editing for hours straight (as well as drinking a bit) so please fill me in, wats going on??

[Emrys]

LOL, at least you can be a good sport about it. I got no beef with any of you guys, or Brandon Routh. I was just making fun of the absurdity of not showing up for an hour or two because of a headache.

Only a person who never had a severe headache can make such an absurd statement.

I bet you never experienced it when your head feels as if someone stabs you through the eye with a burning knive. Or how the throbbing, pulsing pain makes you nauseous when you do as much as move your head an inch. When every ray of light that hits you makes you want to puke and every little sound feels like someone put you into a church tower next to the bell. It's really great when you're unable to even write your own name correctly cause everytime you try to use you brain causes you clench your theeth in agony. It's a pleasure to talk like a ****ing retard cause the mere process of forming the wods makes you feel dizzy. Yep, a severe headache is easy to get over with.!

[The Game]

Only a person who never had a severe headache can make such an absurd statement.

I bet you never experienced it when your head feels as if someone stabs you through the eye with a burning knive. Or how the throbbing, pulsing pain makes you nauseous when you do as much as move your head an inch. When every ray of light that hits you makes you want to puke and every little sound feels like someone put you into a church tower next to the bell. It's really great when you're unable to even write your own name correctly cause everytime you try to use you brain causes you clench your theeth in agony. It's a pleasure to talk like a ****ing retard cause the mere process of forming the wods makes you feel dizzy. Yep, a severe headache is easy to get over with.!

Oh quit your bellyaching :D

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Only a person who never had a severe headache can make such an absurd statement.

I bet you never experienced it when your head feels as if someone stabs you through the eye with a burning knive. Or how the throbbing, pulsing pain makes you nauseous when you do as much as move your head an inch. When every ray of light that hits you makes you want to puke and every little sound feels like someone put you into a church tower next to the bell. It's really great when you're unable to even write your own name correctly cause everytime you try to use you brain causes you clench your theeth in agony. It's a pleasure to talk like a ****ing retard cause the mere process of forming the wods makes you feel dizzy. Yep, a severe headache is easy to get over with.!

Wow, have you had headaches like that before? :eek:

[Showtime]

Can we stop talking about headaches. Let's talk about Routh is Superman. Does he suck! Is he great! Let's hear it.

[Fatboy Roberts]

Let's talk about Routh is Superman. Does he suck! Is he great! Let's hear it.

What a fresh, innovative approach! I don't think too many words have been spilled on that particular topic since last year. not at all

;)

[Showtime]

What a fresh, innovative approach! I don't think too many words have been spilled on that particular topic since last year. not at all

;)

I am done with the headache conversations. :O

[NateGray]

Opinions are only as valid as the facts they are based upon.

GR was the definitive Superman of his era because he captured the essence of patriarch that is Superman. He's not Jesus, BTW, he's your Dad. Don't let the christians fool you, they try to take credit for everything, like christmas and easter, both peagan holidays origionally, celebrating winter and spring solstice respectively. That and it was a pioneering new show on TV in its infancy.

CR was the definitive Superman of his era because of his uncanny resemblance, and his exceptional performance in the dual role of Superman/CK. He convinced us a man could fly while acting in his flying rig, and Donner, and crew pioneered new flying effects that were so remarkable in '78 that they created a new Oscar catagory to honour them.

Dean Cain was the definitive Superman of his era because...he was the star of the show on TV? Was it because he wore the costume and the WB said he was Superman? Was it because it was what was on TV at the time?

See where I'm going with this line of thought? Although opinions are not entirely right or wrong, they are certainly not equal. Some have more merit than others.

Umm you are not talking about opinions here nice try, trying to spin it that way though to bad you are just plain wrong....

Opinion are not based on anything nor do they have to be and you trying to say that some have more merit is BS you are talking facts vs opinions and they are not even in the same ballpark.

See Dean Cain was never really Superman in my opinion and you trying to shove facts into my opinion LMAO; Yeh nice try with that just because he was on a TV show for several years playing Superman my opinion must just be wrong huh....

Oh wait now I get it you are saying this so you can add credit to your opinions right because your OPINIONS have merit right....while those who disagree with you do not right.

You said in a previous post you want the time machine someone was using well I want the fantasy machine for the fantasy world you live in were opinions have to be based off facts.

[musclesforsupes]

Dean cain is the best superman ever.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Dean cain is the best superman ever.



You are sick!.:o

[NateGray]

Dean cain is the best superman ever.

I could just never get into that show was all he did a decent job as Superman for the show but since I was not a fan of the show my Superman at the time it was on was still CR.

I was just making a point that opinions need not be based off facts and do not need to be thats why they are called opinions.

[MatchesMalone]

Umm you are not talking about opinions here nice try, trying to spin it that way though to bad you are just plain wrong....

Opinion are not based on anything nor do they have to be and you trying to say that some have more merit is BS you are talking facts vs opinions and they are not even in the same ballpark.

See Dean Cain was never really Superman in my opinion and you trying to shove facts into my opinion LMAO; Yeh nice try with that just because he was on a TV show for several years playing Superman my opinion must just be wrong huh....

Oh wait now I get it you are saying this so you can add credit to your opinions right because your OPINIONS have merit right....while those who disagree with you do not right.

You said in a previous post you want the time machine someone was using well I want the fantasy machine for the fantasy world you live in were opinions have to be based off facts.

A little late to the party. Read my post a few back, and understand.

[MatchesMalone]

I was just making a point that opinions need not be based off facts and do not need to be thats why they are called opinions.

Opinions do not need to be based on facts. They do have to based on something. There is a difference between opinion and conformity. One is a judgement, the other is lack of judgement.

[NateGray]

Opinions do not need to be based on facts. They do have to based on something. There is a difference between opinion and conformity. One is a judgement, the other is lack of judgement.



And exactly why does an opinion have to be based off anything? alot of people base opinions off feelings, there personal likes or dislikes etc etc etc.... unless you are agreeing with me you lost me here.

See above the second post you quoted me on and my opinion on Dean Cain as Superman its based merely off my feelings on the show its not conformity or a lack of judgement.

[musclesforsupes]

LOL I just kidding :D his clark was okay Reeve still the best ever.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

LOL I just kidding :D his clark was okay Reeve still the best ever.



look what you caused..you should be ashamed.


;)

[NateGray]

look what you caused..you should be ashamed.


;)

LMAO yeh cause this thread has been on track until you dereailed it....

Oh wait sorry that happened somewhere around page two hehe.:)

[MatchesMalone]

And exactly why does an opinion have to be based off anything? alot of people base opinions off feelings, there personal likes or dislikes etc etc etc.... unless you are agreeing with me you lost me here.

:rolleyes: Explain to me how "feelings, personal likes and dislikes" are nothing. They are something. They are also previous opinions formulated prior to the current opinion. So now we have opinions based on opinions. Valid. All opinions arise from some external stimulus. An opinion is simply our reaction to this stimulus based on our previous experience and bias. This can include our knowledge of factual information or not.

For instance: Saying, "I like what I've seen so far of SR" is an opinion. It is a reaction to an outside stimulus based on your own personality.

Saying, "I know SR is going to be the best movie EVAR!" is not an opinion. There is no stimulus (the film) on which to form a judgement. That statement is a belief, not an opinion.

See above the second post you quoted me on and my opinion on Dean Cain as Superman its based merely off my feelings on the show its not conformity or a lack of judgement.

You misunderstand me when I say conformity is a lack of judgement. I am not qualifying it as "good" or "bad". I am saying that true conformity means ignoring your personal bias and adopting the bias of an external source. In other words, you give up the ability to judge, and follow the judgement of the entity to which you are conforming.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

LMAO yeh cause this thread has been on track until you dereailed it....

Oh wait sorry that happened somewhere around page two hehe.:)



i'm not infalible, but yeah.. i get what you mean.

;)

[NateGray]

:rolleyes: Explain to me how "feelings, personal likes and dislikes" are nothing. They are something. They are also previous opinions formulated prior to the current opinion. So now we have opinions based on opinions. Valid. All opinions arise from some external stimulus. An opinion is simply our reaction to this stimulus based on our previous experience and bias. This can include our knowledge of factual information or not.

For instance: Saying, "I like what I've seen so far of SR" is an opinion. It is a reaction to an outside stimulus based on your own personality.

Saying, "I know SR is going to be the best movie EVAR!" is not an opinion. There is no stimulus (the film) on which to form a judgement. That statement is a belief, not an opinion.



You misunderstand me when I say conformity is a lack of judgement. I am not qualifying it as "good" or "bad". I am saying that true conformity means ignoring your personal bias and adopting the bias of an external source. In other words, you give up the ability to judge, and follow the judgement of the entity to which you are conforming.

Ok that cleared that up for me thanks we sorta agree a little anyways.

However I was addresssing Oldguy's post saying
Opinions are only as valid as the facts they are based upon
and this comment
Although opinions are not entirely right or wrong, they are certainly not equal. Some have more merit than others.

Neither of which I agree with.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

ok so ive re-read the thread..oldguy you are well aware that showtime was joking.whats got into you dude?

This attack which you have decided to launch on my friend here isn't like you..you have tried to provoke showtime and also metropolis man.. and i'm expecting you to jump on me too..

I like you Oldguy..you are an intelligent poster..to see you do what you have done takes any respect that you had away,Its twice in two days something like this has happend..once to me and the other to showtime last night..


i see a pattern forming.

[NateGray]

ok so ive re-read the thread..oldguy you are well aware that showtime was joking.whats got into you dude?

This attack which you have decided to launch on my friend here isn't like you..you have tried to provoke showtime and also metropolis man.. and i'm expecting you to jump on me too..

I like you Oldguy..you are an intelligent poster..to see you do what you have done takes any respect that you had away,Its twice in two days something like this has happend..once to me and the other to showtime last night..


i see a pattern forming.

Well I have nothing against him (and have even agreed with some of his posts) but I expect him to attack me for my post as well for disagreeing that opinions have to be based off facts or that some have more merit than others.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well I have nothing against him (and have even agreed with some of his posts) but I expect him to attack me for my post as well for disagreeing that opinions have to be based off facts or that some have more merit than others.


Its so unlike him..

i know he has been a nasty old Bastard by his own admission,but those posts seem more personal.:spidey:

[MatchesMalone]

Ok that cleared that up for me thanks we sorta agree a little anyways.

However I was addresssing Oldguy's post saying
Opinions are only as valid as the facts they are based upon
and this comment
Although opinions are not entirely right or wrong, they are certainly not equal. Some have more merit than others.

Since opinions are not facts, they cannot be factually "true" or "false". It is impossible for them to be.

Oldguy was making qualitative statements based on his personal viewpoint. The value of an opinion, obviously and necessarily, varies from person to person, as each formulates a judgement of that opinion based on their own personality. Oldguy requires opinions to be based on factual information for them to have any worth to him.

Now, this concept of "merit" is also a qualitative statement, and is from Oldguy's personal perspective. Saying an opinion has "merit" is itself an opinion - about the opinion. So Oldguy was speaking only of his personal viewpoint. Which is different from yours. I don't see what the conflict is.

Neither of which I agree with.

Also acceptable. So, why were you being so hostile with Oldguy when you simply disagreed with his viewpoint?




Man, defending Oldguy so much is making me feel sick in my mouth a little bit.

[MatchesMalone]

Its so unlike him..

i know he has been a nasty old Bastard by his own admission,but those posts seem more personal.:spidey:

Have you ever read Oldguy and me going at it over the last 6 months? This is new to you?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Have you ever read Oldguy and me going at it over the last 6 months? This is new to you?


Honestly i haven't.

On the batboards he was always quite informative to back up his opinion. this is out of charactor and an attack on a fellow user.

[NateGray]

Since opinions are not facts, they cannot be factually "true" or "false". It is impossible for them to be.

Oldguy was making qualitative statements based on his personal viewpoint. The value of an opinion, obviously and necessarily, varies from person to person, as each formulates a judgement of that opinion based on their own personality. Oldguy requires opinions to be based on factual information for them to have any worth to him.

Now, this concept of "merit" is also a qualitative statement, and is from Oldguy's personal perspective. Saying an opinion has "merit" is itself an opinion - about the opinion. So Oldguy was speaking only of his personal viewpoint. Which is different from yours. I don't see what the conflict is.



Also acceptable. So, why were you being so hostile with Oldguy when you simply disagreed with his viewpoint?




Man, defending Oldguy so much is making me feel sick in my mouth a little bit.

I may have been a bit harsh at oldguy but that is because after reading his posts I admit I was a bit pissy towards his opinion.

I was not disagreeing with his viewpoint I was disagreeing that opinions have to be based off facts (he posted it why you are trying to spin a defense for it I have no idea)
Or that some have more merit than others those are not opinions, He is talking facts or opinions based on facts hence my not even in the same ballpark statment.

Anyways I am done here this thread just sadly needs to die since its so far off track now its pointless to even try to get it back on track and its more about a debate on what is a valid opinion than the interview.:down

[MatchesMalone]

Honestly i haven't.

On the batboards he was always quite informative to back up his opinion. this is out of charactor and an attack on a fellow user.

He must have started at the batboards after Begins was out, because I never saw him there in the year I posted there.

And I think the fact that he was so nice over at the batboards had something to do with him having seen and liked that film. ;)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

He must have started at the batboards after Begins was out, because I never saw him there in the year I posted there.

And I think the fact that he was so nice over at the batboards had something to do with him having seen and liked that film. ;)



could be..perhaps i'm being blindsighted..i like to look for the best in people.

[The Game]

could be..perhaps i'm being blindsighted..i like to look for the best in people.

Turning your back on OCP has made you soft :D

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Turning your back on OCP has made you soft :D


I guess so.

:)

[Oldguy]

ok so ive re-read the thread..oldguy you are well aware that showtime was joking.whats got into you dude?

This attack which you have decided to launch on my friend here isn't like you..you have tried to provoke showtime and also metropolis man.. and i'm expecting you to jump on me too..

I like you Oldguy..you are an intelligent poster..to see you do what you have done takes any respect that you had away,Its twice in two days something like this has happend..once to me and the other to showtime last night..


i see a pattern forming.

OMFGAM, READ MY ORIGIONAL POST.

Come on Showtime, I thought you were more literate than that. Brandon is a puss for attempting to postpone the meeting due to a headache, not just for having one.

Some of you think it isn't a cowardly thing to do, while others do. It's all just people's opinions, there is no right or wrong. It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role.

See that second paragraph? I'm no longer specifically addressing Showtimes.

But Showtimes didn't think so, he thought I was addressing him specifically.

So he responded...

You're amazing. You've chosen to come at me with your Brandon Routh sucks agenda, you've got the wrong guy.

Which amused me to no end. To think that he would act so defensive, when I wasn't even talking to him, so I accused him of defending Routh, and do you know what, he started to. He could have immediately clarified that he was just joking around, but he didn't. Instead, he started cheerleading people that insulted me.

And the ball started rolling.

A day later and a dollar short, here's Robo with his chest puffed out ready to mediate and evaluate a dead horse. So with self-righteous indignation, you condemn my actions and take my respect away, all the while suspecting you will become my next "target."

Well if you don't want to be my next victim, why the hell do you confront me?

You were at one time an amusing mascot, Robo, but now your just an annoying self appointed mod with a napoleon complex, you god amoung men you.

You and your evaluations are irrelevant to me. Run along now, go moderate your palm some more.

[Oldguy]

Man, defending Oldguy so much is making me feel sick in my mouth a little bit.

How do you think I feel? Trying to have discussions with people who can't guage the merit of an opinion, that they're all equal and were all entitled to them.

Why do you think I don't post here very often? Common Sense 101 is my least favourite class to teach, and the failure rate around here is abyssmal.

[Showtime]

OMFGAM, READ MY ORIGIONAL POST.



See that second paragraph? I'm no longer specifically addressing Showtimes.

But Showtimes didn't think so, he thought I was addressing him specifically.

So he responded...



Which amused me to no end. To think that he would act so defensive, when I wasn't even talking to him, so I accused him of defending Routh, and do you know what, he started to. He could have immediately clarified that he was just joking around, but he didn't. Instead, he started cheerleading people that insulted me.

And the ball started rolling.

A day later and a dollar short, here's Robo with his chest puffed out ready to mediate and evaluate a dead horse. So with self-righteous indignation, you condemn my actions and take my respect away, all the while suspecting you will become my next "target."

Well if you don't want to be my next victim, why the hell do you confront me?

You were at one time an amusing mascot, Robo, but now your just an annoying self appointed mod with a napoleon complex, you god amoung men you.

You and your evaluations are irrelevant to me. Run along now, go moderate your palm some more.

Actually, re-read the second paragraph...you are addressing me? I'll make it really big for you. :) :up:


It's just Whack Arnolds expressing himself, you know just like when you

or any of your "GAMers" go on and on ad infinitum about how great this still looks or that, how fantastic BR is and how perfect he is for the role
.

[Showtime]

See that second paragraph? I'm no longer specifically addressing Showtimes.But Showtimes didn't think so, he thought I was addressing him specifically.


So he responded...

Which amused me to no end. To think that he would act so defensive, when I wasn't even talking to him, so I accused him of defending Routh, and do you know what, he started to. He could have immediately clarified that he was just joking around, but he didn't. Instead, he started cheerleading people that insulted me.



The problem is that Whack Arnold realized I was joking, and if you read the rest of the posts...why do I need to spell it out for you.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You see oldguy..your letting yourself down with this damn Attitude you are giving out..it doesn't suit you..whatever your reasons for this pissy attitude towards GAM, "which has no power" its just for people who respect the hype. "yeah we respect the hype."


However you obviously quite threatend by it.

and adressing my Mod wannabe thing.. hmm maybe true.. but i have done quite alot with out having a Red name..you know why people listen? its called respect for the hype.

Oldguy..any respect you had of other respected members has gone..i look for the best in people..

i'm not sure why we defended you in another thread now.

[Oldguy]

Actually, re-read the second paragraph...you are addressing me? I'll make it really big for you. :) :up:

You are right, I missed that I specifically addressed you thru your GAMers further in. I guess you missed it too, cause it took you a day to see it as well, or you would have pointed it out yesterday.

So, am I wrong? All I see you and your GAMers do is praise this film and denounce opinions that differ from your own. Not the case? Well you guys sure get defensive about it like it is.

[Showtime]

You are right, I missed that I specifically addressed you thru your GAMers further in. I guess you missed it too, cause it took you a day to see it as well, or you would have pointed it out yesterday.

So, am I wrong? All I see you and your GAMers do is praise this film and denounce opinions that differ from your own. Not the case? Well you guys sure get defensive about it like it is.

I did miss it until just right now, but it throws away alot of your comments in regards to you "not addressing" me personally and validates alot of my comments in regards to you attacking me directly. I also was a bit off my game.

I was defensive because I felt you were attacking me about a thread that was days old towards a poster who obviously knew we were joking. Looking back on it my points are definately valid.

I can't speak for, "GAMers" or other posters, I can only speak for myself. You are wrong if you think I personally defend Routh to no end, but I know that nobody has time to read every post. I know he is not the "perfect" choice and as I have stated to you and others, I had numerous other choices for the character.

I think you are completely wrong by assuming that I don't allow others their opinion. You found on instance, that was a joke, and went nuthouse with it. I actually care about everyone's opinion, and you should know that because I have defended your's many times in the past.

[Oldguy]

The problem is that Whack Arnold realized I was joking, and if you read the rest of the posts...why do I need to spell it out for you.

What you could spell out for me is why didn't you point out to me right away?

Read over our little exchange again, you don't mention that you and Whack were joking until your 9th response to me. You spend the other 8 argueing with me about whether or not a man is a wimp for bailing on an important meeting due to headache.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

you see..your so much better when your not insulting.

[Showtime]

What you could spell out for me is why didn't you point out to me right away?

Read over our little exchange again, you don't mention that you and Whack were joking until your 9th response to me. You spend the other 8 argueing with me about whether or not a man is a wimp for bailing on an important meeting due to headache.

This is true, because I thought the headaches was irrelevant to the casting of Routh.

[Showtime]

^^

you see..your so much better when your not insulting.

That is the Oldguy I know and love.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

So, am I wrong? All I see you and your GAMers do is praise this film and denounce opinions that differ from your own. Not the case? Well you guys sure get defensive about it like it is.



you see the problem with you saying we praise everything that Routh does or the film is wrong..if you botherd to read other posts in other threads..you would find that i personally had to warm to the costume and Routh.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

That is the Oldguy I know and love.



I personally have to say..although i have beated my chest a little..i quite like Oldguy..just his attitude to Gam is Wrong,he makes us out to be some kind of hit squad.

[Fatboy Roberts]

There's a clinic just a couple pages back, if you guys remember :)

[Oldguy]

...I can't speak for, "GAMers" or other posters, I can only speak for myself. You are wrong if you think I personally defend Routh to no end, but I know that nobody has time to read every post. I know he is not the "perfect" choice and as I have stated to you and others, I had numerous other choices for the character.

Then WTF are you doing associating yourself with a self-inflated fool like Robo? I suspect he enjoys the reputation of objectivity that you bring, is it his ever present loyalty that you seek?

[Oldguy]

you see the problem with you saying we praise everything that Routh does or the film is wrong..if you botherd to read other posts in other threads..you would find that i personally had to warm to the costume and Routh.

Yes you conformed to the masses, because you have no opinion. Now you choose to act as self appointed moderator, oh right out of respect for the Hype. It wouldn't be for any less alturistic reason, oh no not at all.

It's not like power isn't it's own aphrodisiac or anything.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Then WTF are you doing associating yourself with a self-inflated fool like Robo? I suspect he enjoys the reputation of objectivity that you bring, is it his ever present loyalty that you seek?



hahahahaha.

:D

you really don't know me at all.