Webs

[Spider-Girl]

Do you preffer Spider-Man's webs to be a natural ability or an invention that he created?

I like the idea that they are natural, because to me that is his greatest power & with out them he is not much of a super hero. More of a very agile guy with good reflexs & spidey senses.

[Chris Wallace]

I wouldn't go that far, but I honestly prefer the organic webbing; I think for the most part, those who are against it are stuck on tradition. But to me it makes more sense. I mean why, if he got his powers from a spider, & has all these arachnid-like abilities naturally, would he have to generate an artificial web? What other hero has to artificially supplement his/her powers like that?

[Goran]

I don't know... I think natural webshooters are... cooler...
When I heard that spider-man would hit theaters (I wasn't then the internet-junkie that I am today ;)) I immediately accepted the his natural webshooting ability, 'cause I had totally forgotten about his self created webshooter he used in the 90s cartoon... I had to ask our neighbours little daughter what's true now and what not... :D

[Spider-Girl]

Well Batman's "powers" are all artificial! Lol.

I remember watching the cartoon after the movie & it confused me when he was showing this little girl his web blasters.

[Chris Wallace]

See, that's kinda what I mean. You've got your empowered heroes & you've got your gadget heroes. I prefer to view Spidey as an empowered hero, not dependent on any gadgets.

[Spider-Girl]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[CaptainStacy]

Mechanical web-shooters, no question.

Sure, it's tradition, but what's wrong with that?

They're also one of the coolest devices created for a comicbook character EVER, and it's a shame Sam Raimi lacked the vision to include them in his movies, imo.

[LobokDaikon]

See, that's kinda what I mean. You've got your empowered heroes & you've got your gadget heroes. I prefer to view Spidey as an empowered hero, not dependent on any gadgets.

Why do they have to be separate? Spider-Man was so popular precisely because he broke all the superhero rules.

[Chris Wallace]

ANd that's the way of thinking that has brought us what I will now & forever call the "sidekick suit".

[Chris Wallace]

I'll be honest; when I first found out that he was gonna have organic webbing in the movie, I was outraged. How dare they take away such an integral part of Spider-Man's history!?! I signed petitions. I fussed & cussed & then something happened; other people took their complaints to such extremes that it just sounded ridiculous. So much emphasis was put on it that the more they complained, the less I cared. And then I remembered that I'd been waiting to see this movie since I was 6 years old, & something like this wasn't going to ruin my enjoyment of the film. And you know what? It didn't. It didn't even matter. It was the right way to go & I'm not the least bit bothered by Marvel's decision to incorporate it into the comics.
The stingers & sidekick suit, however, are another story...

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

They don't bother me much... the organics... although I prefer the mechanical webshooters, but Organic webbing gave way to teh stingers and teh robin beyond suit... or scarlet bling spider... besides the organics were made out of lazyness, not wanting to explain the webshooters for the movies... sure we can suspend our disbelief that a kid bitten by a mutated spider can climb walls, be super strong, and battle the evil green ranger, but we can't believe that said kid was a big nerd who made up a weird wrist mounted squirt gun that can shoot webs...

[tzarinna]

It's all good either way. I wasn't having a fit over this issue just happy as hell it made the big screen.

[Rabid_Rust]

I'm kinda 50/50 on the webs. When I was a wee lad, I thought that they should be organic, cause I didn't get why they had him have all these great spider-powers, but no natural webs. Just made sense to me. However, now that they finally have the organic webs, I'm thinking the artificial made sense, heres why: Whenever spiderman went up against an opponent such as Electro, he would get shocked when webbed them up because of Electros powers. The remedy? Brew up a new no-conductive batch of web fluid. But now he can't.

[Chris Wallace]

Actually, he still could; he might need a different delivery method, though. Maybe he could get it added to the sidekick suit.

[Leto Atrides]

I prefer the mechanicals because of the aforementioned being able to change webbing formulas, and the type of web ala Scarlet Spidey. Though I suppose some kind of regulators could be a compromise with the organics.

BTW this is an OLD topic on these boards, unless I'm mistaken.

[LobokDaikon]

ANd that's the way of thinking that has brought us what I will now & forever call the "sidekick suit".

What way of thinking is that, exactly?

[Chris Wallace]

That he needs gadgets.
Truth be told, I'm not completely against him ever using gadgets b/c that is a part of his character. But it's gotten ridiculous. And the complaints about organic webbing have also gotten ridiculous.

[cryptic name]

what bothers me about organic webbing is; why the hell does it come from his wrists? spiders don't emit webbing from their appendages, and they don't shoot it like it was compressed either.

[Chris Wallace]

Ugh. but shooting it from his butt would be gross & impractical, not to mention that argument has been had 100,000,000,000,000 times. Let it go.

[sag002]

Completely organic. I can't recall how many times spidey has been screwed over because he ran out of fluid. Or it was an inconvenience to put them on. Or somebody died because he ran out of fluid. You see my point?

[Immortalfire]

Early on when it was announced webbing would be part of the spider bite, I was rather angry like many. But as time went on, and then the movie was released, they didn't bother me in the slightest.

Signed, Immortalfire; an un-true fan of Man-Spider :D

[Leto Atrides]

This thread needs itself some Bakerboy.

[Chris Wallace]

Don't!!!!!!!!!!!!

[matthooper]

I never liked Lee's idea for mechanical webshooters. Yes, I know Lee's reasons. However, spinning a web is a spider's coolest gift. Raimi was right to correct this mistake.

[Chris Wallace]

The way I understood it, Stan didn't have a choice.

[matthooper]

Did you guys know that the movie webshooter that was cut during teh SM1 production was not actually a mechanical webshooter. It was just a mechanism that controlled the force and accuracy of his organic webshooteers.

[matthooper]

The way I understood it, Stan didn't have a choice.



...and why wouldn't he have had a choice? He invented Spider-Man. He simply wanted to show Pete's scientific mind at work.

[Leto Atrides]

Did you guys know that the movie webshooter that was cut during teh SM1 production was not actually a mechanical webshooter. It was just a mechanism that controlled the force and accuracy of his organic webshooteers.

I knew the "web regulator" idea was a part of the unmade script from the 80s, but I didn't think Raimi's ever had them.

[Chris Wallace]

...and why wouldn't he have had a choice? He invented Spider-Man. He simply wanted to show Pete's scientific mind at work.
The publisher wouldn't go for it. Or so I heard.:spidey:

[Chris Wallace]

I knew the "web regulator" idea was a part of the unmade script from the 80s, but I didn't think Raimi's ever had them.
I have seen images of Tobey wearing this supposed "web regulator"; I remember it had 2 triggers. But I think it was just a "red herrring" something they never intended to use in the film.:spidey:

[Leto Atrides]

I have seen images of Tobey wearing this supposed "web regulator"; I remember it had 2 triggers. But I think it was just a "red herrring" something they never intended to use in the film.

Did not know that :up:.

[Chris Wallace]

Yep. But Said Images Were Seen In 2001 & They're Almost Impossible To Find Now.

[LobokDaikon]

That he needs gadgets.
Truth be told, I'm not completely against him ever using gadgets b/c that is a part of his character. But it's gotten ridiculous. And the complaints about organic webbing have also gotten ridiculous.

Considering the suit is temporary, I don't think their line of thinking has been that they have to keep giving Peter more and more gadgets. If anything, they've been doing exactly what you want, giving him more organic powers.

For me, it all boils down to this: In a movie, or new adaptation or retelling, organics are fine. I'll always prefer mechanicals, but it's nothing I'm going to lose sleep over. But that's when starting out fresh. In the Marvel universe, having him switch over to organics now, decades later, was only done to bring him in line with the movie version, because none of Joe Q's arguments, or the arguments supporting organics in the movies/a new adaptation/retelling, etc., hold up.

[Chris Wallace]

Right Now Both Gadgets And Organic Powers Have Gone Too Far; I Certainly Never Wanted Those Ridiculous Stingers.

[Tin_Man]

what bothers me about organic webbing is; why the hell does it come from his wrists? spiders don't emit webbing from their appendages, and they don't shoot it like it was compressed either.


It mentions that in the movie novelization

[Chris Wallace]

They also don't capture prey & let it live. That's some serious overanalyzing there. He's not gonna be EXACTLY like a spider.

[possessed]

organic all the way. I hate it when Spidey ruins out of webfluid, it feels so unnatural to me. In the older spidey games you could also run out of fluid and spidey almost became useless to fight with.
The more spiderlike abilities he has(natural that is not gadgets) the better imo. But the stingers suck, I agree.

[Chris Wallace]

organic all the way. I hate it when Spidey ruins out of webfluid, it feels so unnatural to me. In the older spidey games you could also run out of fluid and spidey almost became useless to fight with.
The more spiderlike abilities he has(natural that is not gadgets) the better imo. But the stingers suck, I agree.
He only becomes useless against an opponent like Scorpion; someone it just doesn't pay to get close to. But it is annoying as hell. Then you get beat half to death while you frantically search for a web cartridge. However, the organic webbing can still run out; the last Marvel Encyclopedia said he could produce webbing "depending on his body's health & nutrition", which makes sense.

[possessed]

yeah makes sense the organic webbing would run out sometime but I imagine it 'auto-fills' after a while. Another thing that slightly bugs me (even though it adds to the character and is otherwise a cool ability) is the power to shoot full blown webs (instead of a string). I can imagine the webglobs projectile and the string being things to control by pressing harder or tapping the nerve that activates the ejection of web but a full blown web... I dunno...

[Chris Wallace]

Did you guys know that the movie webshooter that was cut during teh SM1 production was not actually a mechanical webshooter. It was just a mechanism that controlled the force and accuracy of his organic webshooteers.
I pointed that out in a thread very similar to this one; the term we became acquainted with was "web regulators".

[Spydey_27]

:spidey: I'm an old school spidey fan. I'd much rather he had the web shooters. How many occasions had his webbing ran out or his shooters jammed. Causing him to use other means to defeat his enemies. To me it's an integral part of the story. Not to mention what has already been mentioned about mixing diffrent versions of fluid to suit diffrent enemies. I'm lost without my web shooters! Also, it would have been an awesome collectible to market to adult fans. A good replica shooter. How cool would that have been?:spidey:

[Leto Atrides]

Exactly. It is more efficient, practical, etc. to have organics, but the flaws in the mechanical shooters add to the character.

[Chris Wallace]

So does having to come up w/another plan because your webbing can't hold that particular enemy.

[LivingInferno]

:spidey: I like either, Natural webbing makes him more like a spider, but the web shooters were great. A good few years back when the Green Goblin set off a bomb in what looked the like the daily bugle there was a shot that showed the cartridges popping out of the shooter. It looked like how a gun launches the empty bullet shell out of the gun. To me that was a great shot. :venom:

[hulkamania85]

I prefer organic. It makes sense that he gets all of these powers from a spider, why not get the webbing from the spider too? Plus it makes him seem a little more relatable to not be a genius that comes up with this device.

[Doomed Hero Rising]

I like organic myself. Just cause when I think "spider" I think of webs. I'd think that was a must. I always had an idea (its kinda grusome) Spidey would have webshooters but the webs would come from special veins so the shooters would have needles going into his wrists that extracted them. if spidey wanted a diff. kind of web he'd inject himself with chemicals through the shooters. I know this part is weird but Peter's a nerd so I thought of a scene were parker would cut himself and you'd see the web shoot out from the cut.

[Chris Wallace]

Don't really care for that idea.

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I like organic myself. Just cause when I think "spider" I think of webs. I'd think that was a must. I always had an idea (its kinda grusome) Spidey would have webshooters but the webs would come from special veins so the shooters would have needles going into his wrists that extracted them. if spidey wanted a diff. kind of web he'd inject himself with chemicals through the shooters. I know this part is weird but Peter's a nerd so I thought of a scene were parker would cut himself and you'd see the web shoot out from the cut.
And this post reiforced my preference for mechanical webs on comicbook spidey.... that's a bit too suicidal... slitting his wrists??? Suicide is wrong dude!

[The_Vision]

I like the idea of Organic webbing

[Bat Attack]

I prefer organic, just like my food.

[Chris Wallace]

And this post reiforced my preference for mechanical webs on comicbook spidey.... that's a bit too suicidal... slitting his wrists??? Suicide is wrong dude!
No-it just looks like suicide. It could be construed as such. Like the bridge scene in Cameron's script looked like rape. But that's another matter entirely. I'd prefer that his powers not entail self-mutilation.

[blind_fury]

Organics are nasty not to mention a huge step backwards for Spider-man. Mechanical webshooters made the character more sophisticated and complex. Organics are uninspired and boring. A six-year old could've came up with organics and they suggest anybody could've became Spider-man. Anybody. They also take away Parker's humanity, giving him the physiology of a spider. I guess if he ever has daughter she'll lay eggs. :down

Stan Lee came up with webshooters and he understands Spider-man better than Sam "stopped reading comics as a child" Raimi ever will.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not buying that. 1-it's no nastier than a guy who routinely cuts his hands open to unsheath blades that are housed in his forearms.
2-you wouldn't be putting the organic webbing down like that if he'd always had it.
3-how is it uninspired? Giving one more spider-like attribute to a person whose DNA was mutated to mimic a spider is uninspired? No-those stingers are uninspired & take away from his humanity. Being able to naturally produce webbing doesn't diminsh his humanity any more than being able to stick to walls. You're going to extremes w/these comments.

[blind_fury]

I'm not buying that. 1-it's no nastier than a guy who routinely cuts his hands open to unsheath blades that are housed in his forearms.
what are you talking about? Mechanical webshooter is technology that requires no holes in Parker's body. Organics involves body fluid that requires Parker have disgusting spider physiology.

2-you wouldn't be putting the organic webbing down like that if he'd always had it.
Well I know better thanks to a guy named Stan Lee. I now know that organics are relatively unsophisticated and repulsive. Thank you Stan Lee!

3-how is it uninspired? Giving one more spider-like attribute to a person whose DNA was mutated to mimic a spider is uninspired? No-those stingers are uninspired & take away his humanity.
"unispired" as in a stupid, literal interpretation of Spider-man without metaphysical concepts. A child could've came up with organics. It's such a simple idea. Spider-man produces web just like a real spider. wow. That's really uninspired and a HUGE step backwards for the character.

[CrypticOne]

I like them to be natural.

[Chris Wallace]

what are you talking about? Mechanical webshooter is technology that requires no holes in Parker's body. Organics involves body fluid that requires Parker have disgusting spider physiology.


Well I know better thanks to a guy named Stan Lee. I now know that organics are relatively unsophisticated and repulsive. Thank you Stan Lee!


"unispired" as in a stupid, literal interpretation of Spider-man without metaphysical concepts. A child could've came up with organics. It's such a simple idea. Spider-man produces web just like a real spider. wow. That's really uninspired and a HUGE step backwards for the character.
Sorry-that just doesn't make sense. And stop using Stan Lee as some kind of vindication b/c I haven't heard him complain once about the organic webbing in the movies. Now if you'd said that making him Iron Man's suck-up sidekick was a huge step backwards I'd agree w/you. None of what you're saying makes sense. No longer having to check his cartridges is a step backwards?

[blind_fury]

Stan Lee never criticizes other peoples interpretation of his characters so it's unlikely he would say if he was disappointed. My point was that he understands Spider-man better than Sam "stopped reading comics as a child" Raimi ever will.

And yes organics is a huge step backwards for the character. Spidey loses some of his humanity and sophistication. With organics, Parker has spider physiology giving him spider parts and organs. Simply gross and out of character. With organics Spider-man is also less sophisticated. Synthetic webbing is an invention that adds immensely to the Peter Parker/Spider-man character. He's a scientist who contributes something original to his crime fighter identity and arsenal. He a sophisticated superhero who is not just a one-note superpowered freak. Organic spidey just puts on his costume and fights crime. He relies completely on his super-powers. Stan Lee's Spider-man relies on his brain power to defeat mad scientist and super geniuses. That's the way it's meant to be. Dr Ock and Green Goblin have technological weapons and so does Spider-man. Do you think this is a coincidence?

Stan Lee's Spider-man is a thinking man's hero and a problem solver. His intelligence and lack of spider physiology retain his humanity. Sam Raimi's Spider-man is a hairy palmed, web squirting freak who relies on dumb-luck and is a literal interpretation of "spider"-man. :rolleyes: Gone from the character is the technological achievement, the sophistication, and the metaphysical concepts. Replaced with predictable and uninspired spider powers that a child could've came up with. With organics, Spider-man is half the man he used to be.

[Bullseye]

I prefer the organic webbing.

Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Girl have the webshooters so I enjoy both versions of the webbing.

[Chris Wallace]

Stan Lee never criticizes other peoples interpretation of his characters so it's unlikely he would say if he was disappointed. My point was that he understands Spider-man better than Sam "stopped reading comics as a child" Raimi ever will.

And yes organics is a huge step backwards for the character. Spidey loses some of his humanity and sophistication. With organics, Parker has spider physiology giving him spider parts and organs. Simply gross and out of character. With organics Spider-man is also less sophisticated. Synthetic webbing is an invention that adds immensely to the Peter Parker/Spider-man character. He's a scientist who contributes something original to his crime fighter identity and arsenal. He a sophisticated superhero who is not just a one-note superpowered freak. Organic spidey just puts on his costume and fights crime. He relies completely on his super-powers. Stan Lee's Spider-man relies on his brain power to defeat mad scientist and super geniuses. That's the way it's meant to be. Dr Ock and Green Goblin have technological weapons and so does Spider-man. Do you think this is a coincidence?

Stan Lee's Spider-man is a thinking man's hero and a problem solver. His intelligence and lack of spider physiology retain his humanity. Sam Raimi's Spider-man is a hairy palmed, web squirting freak who relies on dumb-luck and is a literal interpretation of "spider"-man. :rolleyes: Gone from the character is the technological achievement, the sophistication, and the metaphysical concepts. Replaced with predictable and uninspired spider powers that a child could've came up with. With organics, Spider-man is half the man he used to be.
One thing that isn't true is that Stan doesn't criticize other people's interpretations of his characters. He has gone on record more than once saying that he hated the 70's TV show & that he thought the reason for changing the Hulk's name for TV was asinine.