Hulk or Dr. Doom?

[MajinShenron]

Two totally different characters with two totally different backgrounds. Who do you think would win this?

[torkibe]

In the beginning, Doom would smack the Hulk around because the Hulk wouldn't be prepared. But after sufficient battle time has passed, the Hulk would win.

[rodhulk]

Hulk would win, already did once.

How about Dr. Doom vs Apocalypse?

[Aidan06]

lol look at the poll results so far...dr doom is no match for the likes of hulk who correct me if im wrong lifted a 150,000,000,000 ton mountain or something?

[torkibe]

Hulk would win, already did once.

How about Dr. Doom vs Apocalypse?

That would be one for the ages. It really could go either way... I'm gonna play the safe side and say 5/5 split.

[torkibe]

lol look at the poll results so far...dr doom is no match for the likes of hulk who correct me if im wrong lifted a 150,000,000,000 ton mountain or something?

Well... He more "braced it" on his shoulders than lifted it...

[Mr. Green]

Hulk would win, already did once.

How about Dr. Doom vs Apocalypse?
I'd have to give it to Doom. I remember after the Onslaught thing (maybe during?) when Magneto was a good guy, the Sentinals were kicking the crap out of everybody. A Sentinal was right about to kill both Mags and Rogue when Doom destroyed it with a blast from his glove. You could even say that he obliterated the Sentinal single handedly. :D

Anyway, my point is that Doom is an ultimate badass and a super genius.

[torkibe]

I'd have to give it to Doom. I remember after the Onslaught thing (maybe during?) when Magneto was a good guy, the Sentinals were kicking the crap out of everybody. A Sentinal was right about to kill both Mags and Rogue when Doom destroyed it with a blast from his glove. You could even say that he obliterated the Sentinal single handedly. :D

Anyway, my point is that Doom is an ultimate badass and a super genius.

Well... Compared to the Hulk, Rogue is a flea... As far as Magneto goes, I'm not a big X-Men reader, but wasn't Magneto's magnetism somehow nullified by the Sentinals? So he would have been completely ineffective. I think the Hulk would be a lot harder to destroy than a Sentinal.

My point being, if Doom doesn't manage to take the Hulk out right away, with sufficient rage the Hulk could take him.

[rodhulk]

Well... Compared to the Hulk, Rogue is a flea... As far as Magneto goes, I'm not a big X-Men reader, but wasn't Magneto's magnetism somehow nullified by the Sentinals? So he would have been completely ineffective. I think the Hulk would be a lot harder to destroy than a Sentinal.

My point being, if Doom doesn't manage to take the Hulk out right away, with sufficient rage the Hulk could take him.I could be wrong but I think Mr. Green was saying Doom could beat Apocalypse in reference to my question. I'm very confident the Green lad believes Hulk could take Doom. :)

[Obi-Ron]

I guess it depends on the contest

Arm wrestling-Hulk
Trivial pursuit-Doom

[torkibe]

I could be wrong but I think Mr. Green was saying Doom could beat Apocalypse in reference to my question. I'm very confident the Green lad believes Hulk could take Doom. :)

My bad. I was actually wondering why he said that :o . In any case, I think that would be a good fight and I give it to Apoc.

[Grim Goblin]

If Doom can make devices that can drain the power cosmic out of Silver Surfer and the Beyonder's powers, I'm pretty sure he can whip up a gizmo to drain the Hulk's power or at the least, turn him back to Banner temporarily.

[Doombringer]

I love the Hulk, but Doom would win. Its gonna take alot more than brute strength and rage to take out the likes of Doom ill tell you that. First, someone with a high profile such as the Hulk would in no way shape or form go unoticed by Doom. If they were ever to do battle, Doom would already no what to do to defeat him before the battle took place. And if Doom were the one to antagonize the Hulk and go after him, Doom would be even more inclined to win. Besides i doubt it would turn into a physical battle to begin with. Doom wouldnt let it because Doom knows better than to pit strength for strength against the strongest thing on the planet. Doom would fight him on his own terms. Doom is arguably the smartest man on the planet, not to mention a king of his own country with almost limitless resources, an army of various Doombots, a suit of armor that rivals Iron Man's, and magical abilities only 2nd to Dr. Strange. Hes taken over the world 3 or so times and gave it back outta boredom for christ sakes. Doom also fights Thing on a regualr basis who inturn fights Hulk almost just as often, so its not like Doom hasnt faced the "strong" type before (true not as strong as the Hulk but close enough... i mean who is as strong as H?). Doom has the potential to defeat any Marvel hero or villain around easily if he so wanted.

[rodhulk]

I guess it depends on the contest

Arm wrestling-Hulk
Trivial pursuit-DoomHmmmm..... in respect to the trivial pursuit, what if it's Banner in control of the Hulk? :)

[rodhulk]

I love the Hulk, but Doom would win. Its gonna take alot more than brute strength and rage to take out the likes of Doom ill tell you that. First, someone with a high profile such as the Hulk would in no way shape or form go unoticed by Doom. If they were ever to do battle, Doom would already no what to do to defeat him before the battle took place. And if Doom were the one to antagonize the Hulk and go after him, Doom would be even more inclined to win. Besides i doubt it would turn into a physical battle to begin with. Doom wouldnt let it because Doom knows better than to pit strength for strength against the strongest thing on the planet. Doom would fight him on his own terms. Doom is arguably the smartest man on the planet, not to mention a king of his own country with almost limitless resources, an army of various Doombots, a suit of armor that rivals Iron Man's, and magical abilities only 2nd to Dr. Strange. Hes taken over the world 3 or so times and gave it back outta boredom for christ sakes. Doom also fights Thing on a regualr basis who inturn fights Hulk almost just as often, so its not like Doom hasnt faced the "strong" type before (true not as strong as the Hulk but close enough... i mean who is as strong as H?). Doom has the potential to defeat any Marvel hero or villain around easily if he so wanted.Sure, Doom could take it/some, but I would still favor the Hulk. Remember, they fought once.... and Hulk won. It showed Hulk has the ability to beat Doom the majority of times.

[rodhulk]

My bad. I was actually wondering why he said that :o . In any case, I think that would be a good fight and I give it to Apoc.You know, I think most people would take Doom over Apoc, but I'm gonna side with you (:o) (:D) and say Apoc takes it. I like Apoc more and he really was tough. I think sometimes he thinks too much of himself (like when he said the power of the celestials supercedes all but his own... think that's what he said, don't have the issue handy), but he still was a serious threat to so many tough hero's out there. I would even consider him a serious threat for the Hulk (and from me, that must say something :D).

[DevilHulk]

Hulk already beat Doctor Doom in comics.No Contest.

[Mr. Green]

^Good to see you're back, DevilHulk! :) :up:

[DevilHulk]

^Good to see you're back, DevilHulk! :) :up:

and i'm happy to see you too!

[DevilHulk]

The Hulk versus Dr. Doom. IH #144

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no doubt about who is the winner:up:

[DevilHulk]

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/977/doom1f7ta.jpg

[torkibe]

The Hulk versus Dr. Doom. IH #144

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no doubt about who is the winner:up:

So, you're ignoring the fact that Doom was winning, or at least fighting to a tie, when he stopped fighting to save the woman?

[rodhulk]

So, you're ignoring the fact that Doom was winning, or at least fighting to a tie, when he stopped fighting to save the woman?Sorry, Tork, but Doom was in no way fighting to a tie. He was losing badly.

1) Hulk goes to hit Doom, Doom fires a blast to get 'away' from Hulk.
2) Doom has his force field and sees Hulk coming. Hulk 'busts through it,' surprises Doom, but note: Doom saw him coming (meaning he's ready) and he has his force field ready which couldn't stop the Hulk.
3) Hulk grabs Doom and it ends there. Hulk could have killed Doom easily if he wanted.

Hulk wins.

[saiyan jedi]

hahaha 18 to 1

[DevilHulk]

Doom was winning

yes,and my penis can fly

[Fantasyartist]

First of all, unlike the FF's orange skinned smiler, Bashful Benjy Grimm, (or even Thor himself)the Hulk's strength is practically limitless( As Every Marvelite knows:THE ANGRIER HULK GETS, THE STRONGER HULK GROWS IN CONSEQUENCE!!!) Doom may have fought everybody from the FF to the Avengers or Moon Knight but even he knows that mano-a-mano, Ol' Greenskin is NOT somebody you want to tussle with( he is one of the rare characters who can afford to have the advantage of not just raw might but also a certain low cunning despite his childlike intellect.)

[torkibe]

Sorry, Tork, but Doom was in no way fighting to a tie. He was losing badly.

1) Hulk goes to hit Doom, Doom fires a blast to get 'away' from Hulk.
2) Doom has his force field and sees Hulk coming. Hulk 'busts through it,' surprises Doom, but note: Doom saw him coming (meaning he's ready) and he has his force field ready which couldn't stop the Hulk.
3) Hulk grabs Doom and it ends there. Hulk could have killed Doom easily if he wanted.

Hulk wins.

I would hardly say "losing badly". Doom was laughing and toying with him until he saw his woman in trouble. Even the hulk himself said he was a fool for turning his back on him. I'll give you that the Hulk burst through the forcefield, which is impressive, but "seeing" something and being "ready" for it is 2 completely different things. I'm not denying it was a victory for the Hulk, but it's not the clear cut dominant victory you guys are making it out to be. In my estimation, the fight would have gone on longer if Doom did not stop to help the woman.

[torkibe]

yes,and my penis can fly

Intelligent argument as always, DH :rolleyes: You make Hulk fans everywhere proud :up:

[rodhulk]

I would hardly say "losing badly". Doom was laughing and toying with him until he saw his woman in trouble. Even the hulk himself said he was a fool for turning his back on him. I'll give you that the Hulk burst through the forcefield, which is impressive, but "seeing" something and being "ready" for it is 2 completely different things. I'm not denying it was a victory for the Hulk, but it's not the clear cut dominant victory you guys are making it out to be. In my estimation, the fight would have gone on longer if Doom did not stop to help the woman.I would just say to re-check the scans. No where does it show Doom to be toying with the Hulk, it's the other way around. He's even trying to avoid the Hulk at a time or two. With the force field, he was ready. It was not a sucker punch that Hulk hit Doom with when he broke through the forcefield (not that you said that, but still, just thought I'd bring that up). Hulk saying it was stupid for Doom to turn his back really means nothing in this case since Hulk never hit Doom from behind (or as I said above, sucker punched). I admire your willingness to defend Doom, but it wasn't even close.

[DevilHulk]

Intelligent argument as always, DH :rolleyes: You make Hulk fans everywhere proud :up:

i just answered a lie with another lie

[torkibe]

I would just say to re-check the scans. No where does it show Doom to be toying with the Hulk, it's the other way around. He's even trying to avoid the Hulk at a time or two. With the force field, he was ready. It was not a sucker punch that Hulk hit Doom with when he broke through the forcefield (not that you said that, but still, just thought I'd bring that up). Hulk saying it was stupid for Doom to turn his back really means nothing in this case since Hulk never hit Doom from behind (or as I said above, sucker punched). I admire your willingness to defend Doom, but it wasn't even close.

So I rechecked the scans like you recommended:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4577/doom1d2ah.jpg

Above we see the Hulk telling doom he was making fun of him....

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4213/doom1e6pq.jpg

And here we see the Hulk asking Doom why he's not laughing anymore, which would lead me to believe that he was laughing before or "toying" with him.

Doom then goes on to say he's not done and wants to continue. I don't think someone who was beaten badly, especially a genius like Doom, would be so willing to continue unless he had a chance of winning. Like I said, I definately give the victory to the Hulk, but it was really close and could have gone either way if Doom didn't stop to help the girl.

[rodhulk]

No where do the scans actually say or show 'toying.' I would refer to toying as throwing the Hulk around at will but not finishing him off. You know, complete domination. This is not the case.

As for making fun of the Hulk, I never said Doom wasn't making fun of him. Making fun of the Hulk means he's calling Hulk names or just talking him down. It doesn't mean total domination over the Hulk. Spider-Man often makes fun of the Hulk but how often is he toying with the Hulk? How often is Spidey in complete domination of the Hulk or even his equal in fights (as you said Doom might have been Hulk's equal)? Hardly to never.

'Toying' and 'making fun of' are 2 different things.

Doom seemed to have no chance on winning at the end. Read his exact words, he's saying he'll 'die' before submitting. That's all that's happening. It does not show Doom can still have a chance at winning, it shows he's just not gonna submit and will let himself die instead.

At no time do any of the scans (including the ones you didn't use in your post above) show Doom was winning or even equal to the Hulk, even before he went to save the girl. He's shown fleeing, trying to avoid the Hulk in combat mostly.

I repeat what I have said, Hulk was winning from start to end and did indeed 'win.'

[torkibe]

No where do the scans actually say or show 'toying.' I would refer to toying as throwing the Hulk around at will but not finishing him off. You know, complete domination. This is not the case.

As for making fun of the Hulk, I never said Doom wasn't making fun of him. Making fun of the Hulk means he's calling Hulk names or just talking him down. It doesn't mean total domination over the Hulk. Spider-Man often makes fun of the Hulk but how often is he toying with the Hulk? How often is Spidey in complete domination of the Hulk or even his equal in fights (as you said Doom might have been Hulk's equal)? Hardly to never.

'Toying' and 'making fun of' are 2 different things.

Doom seemed to have no chance on winning at the end. Read his exact words, he's saying he'll 'die' before submitting. That's all that's happening. It does not show Doom can still have a chance at winning, it shows he's just not gonna submit and will let himself die instead.

At no time do any of the scans (including the ones you didn't use in your post above) show Doom was winning or even equal to the Hulk, even before he went to save the girl. He's shown fleeing, trying to avoid the Hulk in combat mostly.

I repeat what I have said, Hulk was winning from start to end and did indeed 'win.'

I give up. It's like talking to a brick wall. :o We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[rodhulk]

I give up. It's like talking to a brick wall. :o We'll just have to agree to disagree.So, let me get this straight! I tell you what's actually happening in the comic and you reply with this brick wall thing? :down

That brick wall may be you since you seem to be the one 'disagreeing' with everybody here since you've been on the Hulk boards.

[JudgeDredd]

I guess it depends on the contest

Arm wrestling-Hulk
Trivial pursuit-Doom


LMAO. Greatest response ever.

[spideyrunner]

I would say the Hulk

[Obi-Ron]

LMAO. Greatest response ever.

;) :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

In a heads up hand to hand brawl clearly the Hulk wins. But if Doom chose to attack the Hulk and prepare himself, he surely could toy with him if he so pleased. This is a guy that is among the brightest mind's on Earth, not to mention one of the top mystical arts practitioners on Earth, not being that far below Strange.

All Hulk fans automatically assume that Hulk's strength trumps all. Wrong. Remember when Doom stole Silver Surfer's power cosmic that was bestowed upon him by Galactus, a being far sueperior to Doom or the Hulk. I think Doom would have little trouble doing the same if he so pleased to the green behmoth. Or if he just thought the Hulk was to much trouble to do battle with, banish him to another dimension.

Doom is vastly underestimated by the likes of those that know little about him.

[MajinShenron]

So I rechecked the scans like you recommended:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4577/doom1d2ah.jpg

Above we see the Hulk telling doom he was making fun of him....

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4213/doom1e6pq.jpg

And here we see the Hulk asking Doom why he's not laughing anymore, which would lead me to believe that he was laughing before or "toying" with him.

Doom then goes on to say he's not done and wants to continue. I don't think someone who was beaten badly, especially a genius like Doom, would be so willing to continue unless he had a chance of winning. Like I said, I definately give the victory to the Hulk, but it was really close and could have gone either way if Doom didn't stop to help the girl.

Don't give me that. Your talking about the guy who attacked the Beyonder single handingly (I am referring to Doom attacking Beyonder in Civil War).

[torkibe]

Don't give me that. Your talking about the guy who attacked the Beyonder single handingly (I am referring to Doom attacking Beyonder in Civil War).

Ok, I see you dug this up 3 weeks later... Well, If you mean Doom attacking the Beyonder in "Secret Wars" if you recall, Doom DID manage to steal the Beyonders powers, so he in fact clearly had a chance of winning.

[webhead731]

Thing has whooped Dr. Doom before. Hulk can whoop Thing.

Hulk would win.