Rachel Dawes Solution

[DV8]

In the midst of all the questions surrounding whether Katie Holmes will reprise her role as Rachel Dawes, we have been bombarded with continuity issues, and opinion on how past female characters have inexplicably disappeared from the franchise.

Being a stickler for continuity, if Katie Holmes doesn't return, I would not vote for a recast, just cuz it bugs me. But I don't want her character to not even be referenced if she doesn't return, either!

Here is my solution:

Reference that Rachel Dawes has been away on a trip or something; she never returns!

That's it! Have Harvey Dent step in when it's apparent that Rachel is gone, and then after we've forgotten about her, a big piece to the finally is her body being discovered in the river or something . . . a victim of The Joker! We wouldn't ever need to see Holmes, and if we did, they could possibly use archive footage from the first film re-cut (if that's legal).

Anyone else feel me on this one?

[Ronny Shade]

They don't even need to say anything. I wouldn't even care if they didnt mention her.

[DV8]

but that's the same thing they did w/ vicki vale! I think that when Batman compromises his identity, we should at least get an explanation as to why they left!!

Maybe Joker knows that Dawes can identify Batman, and that's why he captures/kills her . . .

that really doesn't bug you, hey? And you're supposed to be setting an example for me!! :D

[Ronny Shade]

It bugged me then. This wouldn't bug me because they broke up and the end.

[Super_Ludacris]

You had to post it in 2 threads? I mean the EXACT same post? lol

[GoldGoblin]

Just have it say that the Joker has killed her,and show the body with the brown hair covering her face.

[lujho]

Vicki Vale not there was different, becuase Batman ended with them as a happy couple.

Begins ended with Bruce and Rachel *breaking up* a "relationship" that wasn't really active in the first place. You don't NEED to explain her not being in the sequel... AT ALL... because the end of the last movie did it.

She doesn't actually need to be dead to not be in the films anymore. She doesn't need to even be mentioned again.

[The-Night]

Vicki Vale not there was different, becuase Batman ended with them as a happy couple.

Begins ended with Bruce and Rachel *breaking up* a "relationship" that wasn't really active in the first place. You don't NEED to explain her not being in the sequel... AT ALL... because the end of the last movie did it.

She doesn't actually need to be dead to not be in the films anymore. She doesn't need to even be mentioned again.

of course she has to be mentioned. Sure she ended the realtionship, but by no means did she quit her job in the DA. I mean Bruce Wayne shows up to meet this new Dent fellow and oh, where the flop is rachel?

[DV8]

You had to post it in 2 threads? I mean the EXACT same post? lol

hahahaha; I know, I know; I made this thread, and then thought it would better fit in the existing thread . . . my bad!

[DV8]

Vicki Vale not there was different, becuase Batman ended with them as a happy couple.

Begins ended with Bruce and Rachel *breaking up* a "relationship" that wasn't really active in the first place. You don't NEED to explain her not being in the sequel... AT ALL... because the end of the last movie did it.

She doesn't actually need to be dead to not be in the films anymore. She doesn't need to even be mentioned again.

That's a really good point, actually . . . but still, I think they should explain why she's not the DA anymore . . . even then, I guess she doesn't need to be in it . . .

[Ronny Shade]

I think most casual viewers (people who saw the movie once on TV or something) wont even remember her name

[Two-Face]

Exactly it's some fans of hers might complain and Jett is getting mails supporting Holmes to return but to me I care less if she returns or not.

[mcflytrap]

but that's the same thing they did w/ vicki vale! I think that when Batman compromises his identity, we should at least get an explanation as to why they left!!

Maybe Joker knows that Dawes can identify Batman, and that's why he captures/kills her . . .

that really doesn't bug you, hey? And you're supposed to be setting an example for me!! :D

Actually, Wayne did mention Vicki to Selina in BR.

[lujho]

That's a really good point, actually . . . but still, I think they should explain why she's not the DA anymore . . . even then, I guess she doesn't need to be in it . . .

She wasn't the DA, she was an assistant DA. There's no reason to say she quit that job - she could still have it and we just never see her, or she could just not have it (got a different job, moved somewhere else).

Neither of the above possibilities is in desparate need of being explained on-screen. Sure, they could be, a line of dialogue wouldn't hurt, but they don't need it, and you *definitely* don't need to go as far as killing her off to explain her absence.

[Mr. Socko]

Jesus! How many Rachel Dawes threads do we need!?!?!

[elorenishii386]

I think Rachel Dawes should return. Alot of people are suggesting that she disappear from the franchise and just have a short little mention. That's the thing thats always bothered me about the other batman films. The love interest always "disappears" out of no where and thats it...we forget about her? It's like in the Bond films where he gets a new love interest in every different film.
Rachel Dawes is the assistent DA. She is passionate about cleaning the corruption from Gotham and is one of the few allies Batman has at this point in the franchise. It would make no sense that she disappears, especially when Gotham is at it's most difficult. This is the after math of the ra's reaking havoc on Gotham. People are recovering from the effects of the fear gas. There are still inmates from arkam that need to be captured and brought back. Harvey Dent becomes the new DA. Most importantly, there is some dude running around, killing people and calling himself the Joker. This is a transistional period. I hardly think that Rachel Dawes herself would be absent from this.
yes some people might say that nolan could kill her off...1...2...3. but this dissatisfies me. I think it would be better not to kill her off.

[DroolingforGwen]

The movies are about Batman... not Rachel Dawes.... she is probably working behind the scenes doing her job... the film won't portray it however... and there is no reason to...it's not essential to have her... bring in a Talia instead to spice things up... no one will miss her... as far as continuity... the core cast is already there... and I see no reason to explain why she left or quit...cutting five minutes of screentime for an explanation is a waste (Ya Ya she was so important in Begins but this is Hollywood and they don't have time to explain everyone's life story in a two hour movie)... ITS OKAY TO ASSUME THINGS IN Trilogies... writers don't have to be so blatantly obvious and explain every damn event that transpired between to two films (they leave it for audiences to interpret... go figure)... maybe she'll have a cameo later on like the chick from Jurassic Park 1 had in 3... i thought that was kind of cool... maybe in the third movie (barring if Katie doesn't get fat and ugly after bearing Tom's children)... ... but the explanation has already been given for her absence... As far as allies... Batman has Gordon and Alfred and they nailed those two down nicely in Begins...

[GoldGoblin]

The good thing about her being gone will be a new female love interest who could be a future villain.(Talia,Catwoman,Poison Ivy)

[Super_Ludacris]

I think Rachel Dawes should return. Alot of people are suggesting that she disappear from the franchise and just have a short little mention. That's the thing thats always bothered me about the other batman films. The love interest always "disappears" out of no where and thats it...we forget about her? It's like in the Bond films where he gets a new love interest in every different film.
Rachel Dawes is the assistent DA. She is passionate about cleaning the corruption from Gotham and is one of the few allies Batman has at this point in the franchise. It would make no sense that she disappears, especially when Gotham is at it's most difficult. This is the after math of the ra's reaking havoc on Gotham. People are recovering from the effects of the fear gas. There are still inmates from arkam that need to be captured and brought back. Harvey Dent becomes the new DA. Most importantly, there is some dude running around, killing people and calling himself the Joker. This is a transistional period. I hardly think that Rachel Dawes herself would be absent from this.
yes some people might say that nolan could kill her off...1...2...3. but this dissatisfies me. I think it would be better not to kill her off.



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[neemer5]

Hire her for a cameo, let them argue or something, and let her leave. That's it.

[raybia]

In the midst of all the questions surrounding whether Katie Holmes will reprise her role as Rachel Dawes, we have been bombarded with continuity issues, and opinion on how past female characters have inexplicably disappeared from the franchise.

Being a stickler for continuity, if Katie Holmes doesn't return, I would not vote for a recast, just cuz it bugs me. But I don't want her character to not even be referenced if she doesn't return, either!

Here is my solution:

Reference that Rachel Dawes has been away on a trip or something; she never returns!

That's it! Have Harvey Dent step in when it's apparent that Rachel is gone, and then after we've forgotten about her, a big piece to the finally is her body being discovered in the river or something . . . a victim of The Joker! We wouldn't ever need to see Holmes, and if we did, they could possibly use archive footage from the first film re-cut (if that's legal).

Anyone else feel me on this one?


This wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Super_Ludacris]

Here-Here

[COMPO]

I think rachael should stay but something happens to her in the film. But, instead of the joker killing her like sarah essen. Instead have him kidnap her and drive her insane some how. So by the end of the film it's pretty dark. Gordon is grieving over Essen and feels guilty for being tempted to cheat on his wife. Batman is guilty for both parties and feels like he's causing more damage then he is helping the city. Dent is exhibiting the evil inside him. What do you think?

[Ronny Shade]

I think rachael should stay but something happens to her in the film. But, instead of the joker killing her like sarah essen. Instead have him kidnap her and drive her insane some how. So by the end of the film it's pretty dark. Gordon is grieving over Essen and feels guilty for being tempted to cheat on his wife. Batman is guilty for both parties and feels like he's causing more damage then he is helping the city. Dent is exhibiting the evil inside him. What do you think?
I think having Essen in this movie will be too much.

We've already got all Dent and Joker for sure, +this rachel storyline +maybe a new love interest for bruce +Mobster subplot +whatever's going on with Earle or Black Mask.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I say either re-cast her.....or kill her. One or the other, do not go the BOND GIRL route.

[COMPO]

Listen super ludircrus, erm...where'd you egt taht picture of that woamn.

[Beelze]

Anything but a re-cast.

[Mr. Socko]

I do atleast want a reason for her not returning, if she doesn't. But I think she will...

[Super_Ludacris]

But it seems like none of you would want Racheal Dawes beyond the sequel of Batman Begins (ie she's there for the whole franchise)?

[Mr. Socko]

But it seems like none of you would want Racheal Dawes beyond the sequel of Batman Begins (ie she's there for the whole franchise)?

If she's got to be there for the entire franchise then I vote to let her go and give a reason in that case:up:

[Two-Face]

But it seems like none of you would want Racheal Dawes beyond the sequel of Batman Begins (ie she's there for the whole franchise)?

Well there is rumours that Katie Holmes will be not return because she will be looking after her kid or WB didn't like publicity she got with Tom Cruise that she didn't do enough to promote the BB movie.

[Babs Gordon]

small tiny cameo. see her in passing really. no need to tie her up in the plot. just a nod to let everyone know "yes we didn't forget her, no she's not important so we're not going to give her a piece of the plot"

works out just fine and would give some satisfaction.

[Fran]

I think she may be back, but only for a little bit of the movie, just to finally get rid of her.

What I think should happen is they are living life as usual, and she goes out one night, and gets killed by the Joker.

This will spark Batman's anger, and will make for a great showdown between the two.

[javi1024]

I think she may be back, but only for a little bit of the movie, just to finally get rid of her.

What I think should happen is they are living life as usual, and she goes out one night, and gets killed by the Joker.

This will spark Batman's anger, and will make for a great showdown between the two.
this has been said 100 times and it still isnt necessary. the fact that Batman and Joker are polar opposites is enough reason for Batman to seek out Joker. and theyve touched on the whole justice vs. vengeance/ "you killed my loved one" theme 3 of out the 5 movies already.

[DV8]

and theyve touched on the whole justice vs. vengeance/ "you killed my loved one" theme 3 of out the 5 movies already.

That is quite true . . . but Rachel was Batman's voice of reason, so to speak when he was yonger . . . this gives more weight to her death if Joker kills her, as it's not just a death of convenience . . . like the Joker killing Batman's parents in BM '89

[super scar]

Bruce should try and convince Rachel to go into hiding after recieving info that Crane is still at large in Gotham (or the now released Falcone is sending death threats).
Get her ass to Bludhaven.

[Super_Ludacris]

I think in the end it may be that they somehow have to write out a minor explination of her leaving Gotham. Like maybe she couldnt take the madeness the city had become and seeing Bruce fight as Batman every night or something like that.

[Ronny Shade]

I don't think its a bad idea for Joker to kill Rachel

[COMPO]

It would be god if Joker kidnapped Rachael and trorured her before killing her. And show it on film to Batman like he did on ROTJ with Robin.

[The Kid]

She should be Batman's inside-woman. and girlfriend of bruce wayne.

[neobido9999]

in all honesty i didnt think she was too bad at all, certainly not Natalie Portman in the prequels bad!

I can see the argument for her being a joker victim, but if we want a happy ending to the trilogy (not saying i do) then she is the only charatcer who links bruce to his pre-trauma days, perhaps the third film could end with bruce reconciling who he is with who he was and finally going off with Rachel...

Besides, i think gordons fam (sounds cruel i know) are better Joker fodder

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Either don't mention her or kill her off. Her character is really useless. It's time Harvey Dent comes in as the D.A. and it's time a new love interest comes in for Bruce. Whether she be a woman he can have on his arm, or an actual love interest, doesn't matter, it's time for Bruce to move on away from Rachel.

[TheVileOne]

Any solution that writes her out of the sequel is a good solution.

[DroolingforGwen]

I posted this on the other Racheal Dawes thread too...

I quote Miss Rawes, "Maybe someday when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see (Bruce) again"... what other explanation do you need... are audiences so dumb that they need an explanation to every little detail in a movie trilogy... producers do this to raise speculation... leave it open for possibilities... now that it looks like Katie won't be back... why go through recasting to further confuse a movie with another unecessary plot distractions that will just eat up valuable screen time... why complicate the Joker/Batman conflict (not that it wouldn't work but if it doesn't...) by Joker killing Rachael... just move on already... I'd much rather see Selina (KATE BECKINSALE GOD DAMMIT) or Talia (Keira Knightley) than the same boring actress Katie Holmes...

[TheVileOne]

Rachel's scene at the end seemed like a formal goodbye to the character, so I guess you're right.

There's no point in bringing her back. The relationship is DONE. It can't go any further.

[the-joker]

I think to make it a little more personal for Batman to fight the Joker would be to have the Joker kill (and possibly do some evil and twisted stuff) to the Rachel character.

[Dark Knight]

the way to make her character significant is to have her die at the hands of the Joker. When that happens it will cause Bruce to go through another level of psychological scarring. It will be another test to him...

[The Kid]

inside-woman

girlfriend of bruce wayne

killed by joker

:) not bad...

[DroolingforGwen]

If they bring Katie back... then let the joker kill her off... but if not... bring in Selina... only as a setup for catwoman in 3... i don't want to see catwoman in 2

[DV8]

small tiny cameo. see her in passing really. no need to tie her up in the plot. just a nod to let everyone know "yes we didn't forget her, no she's not important so we're not going to give her a piece of the plot"

works out just fine and would give some satisfaction.

I agree . . . but would she be worth whatever they have to pay her for a cameo?

[DV8]

It would be god if Joker kidnapped Rachael and trorured her before killing her. And show it on film to Batman like he did on ROTJ with Robin.

That would rule :up:

[JoeBoxer]

If they bring Katie back... then let the joker kill her off... but if not... bring in Selina... only as a setup for catwoman in 3... i don't want to see catwoman in 2

ha, that's good idea about setting up for catwoman but they should also introduce Harvey Dent not Two-Face until the next movie. This way they can show the bond each character has, like Selina Kyle with Bruce and then Bruce being hurt when he finds out she's catwoman. Also the truce between Batman, Dent, and Gordon and that friendship being destroyed when Dent Becomes Two-Face.:up:

[I am 6' 3½"]

She was the only real crappy thing about Batman Begins... just don't have her come back... and leave no explanation as to why she isn't back. I don't mind!

[Macphisto]

After watching Holmes' performance in Thank You For Smoking, I say keep her involved. Great performance from a very underrated actress.

[Angel Of Dark]

I'd say, do this

She is made D.A......... she hires a new lawyer named harvey Dent...... later in the movie, her and Bruce develop more of a relationship, but the Joker soon finds out that Bruce Wayne is indeed The Batman, obsessed with destroying him, he kidnaps Rachel, and eventaully kills her...... this drives The Batman over the edge, hunts down the Joker, after some events, Batman has the Joker, and is ready to kill him, he has a flash back of her saying (it's what you do that defines who you are), so he decides to bring the Joker in instead of killing him, sets up the 3rd movie where the Joker is put on Trail, Harvey Dent then becomes the D.A. of Gothem.......

[javi1024]

I'd say, do this

She is made D.A......... she hires a new lawyer named harvey Dent...... later in the movie, her and Bruce develop more of a relationship, but the Joker soon finds out that Bruce Wayne is indeed The Batman, obsessed with destroying him, he kidnaps Rachel, and eventaully kills her...... this drives The Batman over the edge, hunts down the Joker, after some events, Batman has the Joker, and is ready to kill him, he has a flash back of her saying (it's what you do that defines who you are), so he decides to bring the Joker in instead of killing him, sets up the 3rd movie where the Joker is put on Trail, Harvey Dent then becomes the D.A. of Gothem.......
im sorry. not to rag on ur suggestion, but batman really needs to keep his identity a secret in these movies. 89- joker kinda knew ("i was a kid when i killed your parents"), returns- unmasked himself in front of everyone, forever- villains probed his mind, begins- ra's knew and he basically told rachel. batman is alot better than that.

and ive said in like 20 posts already, we dont need joker to kill rachel for batman to hate him. the simple fact that hes a maniacal genius and theyre polar opposites is reason enough. it would take like 5 movies all starring joker to bring their relationship to where it is in the comics and thats just not gonna happen.

[MrFreeze101]

yeah no i wouldnt care if they killed her off um i was thinking maybee she could be Harvey Dents first victim you know one night she stays back at the office harvey turns up and his two face persona comes out and he shoots her dead anyways you look at it i dont care i just want her out of the Batman movies

[maxmccumber]

I say either re-cast her.....or kill her. One or the other, do not go the BOND GIRL route.

Well if you think about it, Bruce Wayne and James Bond are kind of similar. Both dress in fancy clothes, have access to high-tech gadgets and are real players, gigolos or whatever you wanna call it with the ladies. That's what distinguishes Wayne from other superhero alteregos, he doesn't have a Lois Lane or Mary Jane Watson-type consistent love interest. Anyway, since it doesn't look like Katie Holmes is doing anything these days after Tom Cruise brainwashed her, just get a different female character actually from the comics (Vicki Vale, Julie Madison, Talia Al Ghul, Catwoman, etc).

[Angel Of Dark]

im sorry. not to rag on ur suggestion, but batman really needs to keep his identity a secret in these movies. 89- joker kinda knew ("i was a kid when i killed your parents"), returns- unmasked himself in front of everyone, forever- villains probed his mind, begins- ra's knew and he basically told rachel. batman is alot better than that.

and ive said in like 20 posts already, we dont need joker to kill rachel for batman to hate him. the simple fact that hes a maniacal genius and theyre polar opposites is reason enough. it would take like 5 movies all starring joker to bring their relationship to where it is in the comics and thats just not gonna happen.

but it is a good way to strengthen their hatred towards each other, killing Dawes that is. When Joker killed Robin in the comics, that strengthened the hatred in Batman towards the Joker....... the Joker needs to show his homocidal madness in this movie, and I think the best way would be for him to kill a main character from the first movie, IMO

[BATFREDDIE]

I think Rachel should come back not in the next film but maybe the third and realize that Bruce's job as Batman will never stop, and that there will always be something else he has to fight around the corner. That to me is a logical way to go with the character.

[DV8]

yeah . . . for just once, I'd like to see Batman keep his indentity from EVERYONE . . . is that too much to ask!? For just ONE of the bat-flicks . . . I mean, NOBODY having a clue . . . . PLEASE!!!

[BatScot]

I'd like to see Batman keep his indentity from EVERYONE . . . is that too much to ask!? For just ONE of the bat-flicks . . . I mean, NOBODY having a clue . . . . PLEASE!!!If only!

[Gogo Bananas]

Joker won't get to kill Robin on film, so yeah, let him finish off Rachel.
Actually he should get to kill all the annoying supporting characters from any of the movies. Bring back Christopher Walken as Max Schrek just so Mr.J can cap him. Heck bring back Nicole Kidman and Schwarzenegger too. Screw continuity! Let loose the Joker!

[the_freshdude]

can someone tell me at least three reasons why does everyone hates her so much?

[Angel Of Dark]

can someone tell me at least three reasons why does everyone hates her so much?

bad actress, Tom Cruise and Dawsons Creek

[Jack Napier]

First off, don't recast her. Katie Holmes is Rachel Dawes. Having another actress (let's say Jennifer Connelly) take her place would be stupid when they can just hire Connelly (or whatever actress they choose) to play a different character. I like continuity, and lack of continuity pisses me off. I mean, who really gave a crap about Nick Stahl in T3 when it wasn't Eddie Furlong playing John Connor?

As for Joker killing Rachel, I do not see it happening. Two-Face gets scarred by the Joker, yes, (by the way, I can't believe Goyer has actually told us that) but I think the combination of the two sequences would be way too dark for the sequel. Not that I don't want BB2 to be dark, but I feel Nolan wouldn't take it that far.

[shaggyaggie457]

I mean, who really gave a crap about Nick Stahl in T3 when it wasn't Eddie Furlong playing John Connor?

Amen! Preach it man.

[Batjosh]

Joker won't get to kill Robin on film, so yeah, let him finish off Rachel.
Actually he should get to kill all the annoying supporting characters from any of the movies. Bring back Christopher Walken as Max Schrek just so Mr.J can cap him. Heck bring back Nicole Kidman and Schwarzenegger too. Screw continuity! Let loose the Joker!

I can see this being some kind of MTV Movie Awards opener.

[Katsuro]

bad actress, Tom Cruise and Dawsons Creek

Only one of those should have anything to do with why people dislike her role in the movies.

Personally, I dont think she was that bad. She did seem a bit young for the role though.

[raybia]

**********************newsflash***********

From Moviehole:

Q.Being new to moviehole, I’m dying to know if Kate Holmes will be back for the Bat-Sequel with her Rachel Dawes character? - Moira

A. Hey kids, look! It’s a newbie. Since you are new, we’ll overlook the fact that this question has already been asked for multiple times. Yep, Katie will indeed be reprising her role as Rachel Dawes for the “Batman” sequel – as brief as her turn may be. Can’t say anymore without being pummelled by David S.Goyer.

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20060628_moviehole_mailbag_28606.html

[Angel Of Dark]

**********************newsflash***********

From Moviehole:

Q.Being new to moviehole, I’m dying to know if Kate Holmes will be back for the Bat-Sequel with her Rachel Dawes character? - Moira

A. Hey kids, look! It’s a newbie. Since you are new, we’ll overlook the fact that this question has already been asked for multiple times. Yep, Katie will indeed be reprising her role as Rachel Dawes for the “Batman” sequel – as brief as her turn may be. Can’t say anymore without being pummelled by David S.Goyer.

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20060628_moviehole_mailbag_28606.html

if it's like her last scene in the Gift, I will have no problems

[JokerPimp]

if it's like her last scene in the Gift, I will have no problems

hahahaha, if only the next one is rated 'R'

[Cosmic Mind]

I hope is not one scene. the problem with batman is that in every movie they show up a new love interest. Why not keep the same one? Rachel is a very interesting character that can be developed greatly if it done right....is time to break the rules, no more new loves iterest!!! unless they bring another one to create a bizarre love triangle.......that's interesting, apart from that, enough!!!

[JLBats]

That'd be cheap, lame and stupid. NO!

[xwolverine2]

kill her....

and next time find a GOOD woman that is likeable and will last for more movies to come (ex. mary jane)

[shaggyaggie457]

Like oh, say...

SELINA MF KYLE!!!

:)

[Katsuro]

I did. Especially since Stahl sucked really bad.

No, man. I think what he's saying is that nobody actualy cared for the character after the cast change. It wasn't Furlong, so it didn't feel like the same character, so you didn't feel for him as much.

[Macphisto]

All these Holmes' haters need to put away their celebrity gossip mags...

[The Kid]

amen. she did NOTHING wrong in begins. all the complaints about here are based on gossip and tv entertainment news.

[Borat]

amen. she did NOTHING wrong in begins. all the complaints about here are based on gossip and tv entertainment news.Exactly. I may not like her in real life. But I think she did well in Begins.

[Two-Face]

amen. she did NOTHING wrong in begins. all the complaints about here are based on gossip and tv entertainment news.


Holmes did nothing wrong in Begins that's true, but she did talked about her relationship more then the movie...:o :down .

[Borat]

Holmes did nothing wrong in Begins that's true, but she did talked about her relationship more then the movie...:o :down .Oh ya thats one of the reasons why I don't like her in real life.

[IzzyJG99]

If her name is never mentioned again I'll be a happy man.

[xwolverine2]

i didnt like her in the movie that much....... i couldnt fall in love with her

[Cosmic Mind]

Come on guys, she is in love, when you are in love, thats the only thing that is on our mind, lets just say that her love came in the wrong moment....

[Cosmic Mind]

Hey i got an idea!!!!! Why they don't recast her??? i gonna make a thread about this...

[Katsuro]

Hey i got an idea!!!!! Why they don't recast her??? i gonna make a thread about this...

I rather wish you hadn't. Why not discuss it here, that's what this thread is about!

[Cosmic Mind]

sorry.......

[Cosmic Mind]

then......if they are going to bring a new female lead, it should be strong, modern, smart, not so much of the damsel in distress, and STICK WITH HER FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES!!!!!!! If they keep bringing a new one in every sequel, its gonna be like James bond, and I dont want that to happen!!!

[El Payaso]

amen. she did NOTHING wrong in begins. all the complaints about here are based on gossip and tv entertainment news.

No, it's based on her poor acting skills. And with such a cast around her, it is specially noticeable.

[The Kid]

:confused: I can't find the fault I know a lot of people see in her acting... trust me, i've heard that complaint all last year... but I thought she did very well with the role. She delivered the "it's not who you are underneath" line a lot better than bale, that's for sure.

*Jumps on his couch and pumps fist* I'm in love...
http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/h/holmes/KatieHolme_J.-Mc_4382807_Ma.jpg

http://www.tiscali.nl/images/9/8/Katie_Holmes0121.jpg

http://pictures.celebritypro.com/katie_holmes.jpg

http://imalbum.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/D20050808/1061_553626655_katie_holmes_3_H144727_L.jpg

http://www.askmen.com/imagesvote/2002_sep/beautiful_katies/katie_holmes.JPG I like this one a lot. It reminds me of Yvonne Craig.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00129/Katie_Holmes_129254a.jpg Nolan, you know what to do Holmes

[El Payaso]

I've seen better girls on the net, no clothes at all and I don't have to watch them acting badly for 2 hours. Just a tip.

[DV8]

Hey i got an idea!!!!! Why they don't recast her??? i gonna make a thread about this...

yeah . . . why'd you have to go and make not one, but two threads when we have a perfectly good one here that I made? I mean, we can make fun of your assinine opinions just fine on this one!!

Please read my first post dude, we've extensively talked about recasting . . . . and it's more of a last-ditch effort

Plus, why recast when Joker is just going to off her in the next one anyway?

[FaT_tONle]

I think people are making to big a deal out of this... I don't like the fact that Btman is Bond with all these girls but why bring her back when they broke up... maybe have the Joker kill her then she'd need a major role... hence can't do it without Katie... move on... it doesn't need any more explanations

[StorminNorman]

:confused: I can't find the fault I know a lot of people see in her acting... trust me, i've heard that complaint all last year... but I thought she did very well with the role. She delivered the "it's not who you are underneath" line a lot better than bale, that's for sure.

*Jumps on his couch and pumps fist* I'm in love...

I like this one a lot. It reminds me of Yvonne Craig.
Nolan, you know what to do Holmes

I gotta agree with my man Wesyeed here. Holmes is teh secksey:

http://www.girlskickbutt.com/images/profile/katie_holmes.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=girlskickbu0d-20&keyword=Katie+Holmes&mode=dvd&rank=-video-release-date)

http://www.n24.de/php-bin/data/cgalerie/content/n24_boulevard_de_050617_katie_cruise/01.jpg (http://www.n24.de/php-bin/data/cgalerie/content/n24_boulevard_de_050617_katie_cruise/01.jpg)

http://images-partners.google.com/images?q=tbn:YgbABjw2vWEgVM:kennygunie.online.fr/dreamgirls/dg-photos/photos/Katie%2520Holmes/Katie%2520Holmes%25201.jpg (http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?invocationType=imageDetails&query=Katie+Holmes&img=http%3A%2F%2Fkennygunie.online.fr%2Fdreamgirls %2Fdg-photos%2Fphotos%2FKatie%2520Holmes%2FKatie%2520Hol mes%25201.jpg&site=kennygunie.online.fr&host=http%3A%2F%2Fkennygunie.online.fr%2Fdreamgirl s%2Fdg-photos%2Findex.php%3Fshow_heading%3Ddetail%26dir%3 DKatie%2520Holmes%26photo%3D1&b=image%3Fquery%3DKatie%2BHolmes%26page%3D3%26user id%3D44908714-0010d-04ed3-6a89bccd%26invocationType%3DimageTab%26clickstream id%3D3988762283210620088)


http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/katie-holmes-lips-big.jpg


http://photos10.flickr.com/12533918_3854e495ed.jpg (http://photos10.flickr.com/12533918_3854e495ed.jpg)
http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/107316.jpg (http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/107316.jpg)

[FaT_tONle]

Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrffffffffff ff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shaggyaggie457]

then......if they are going to bring a new female lead, it should be strong, modern, smart, not so much of the damsel in distress, and STICK WITH HER FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES!!!!!!! If they keep bringing a new one in every sequel, its gonna be like James bond, and I dont want that to happen!!!

A girl like, oh say...

SELINA MF KYLE!!!

[elorenishii386]

Like oh, say...

SELINA MF KYLE!!!

:)

Thats Right B****es!!

I don't know why I'm not hearing rumors over at BOF about catwoman being introduced into the movie...I want catwoman to be the love interest...not only that but we'd have one kick a** female!!!

I would like to keep Rachel Dawes in the movie though....to have her compete with the affection of Bruce...it could be a good story