Two-Faces origin

[bdsproductions]

well,i posted how his scarring should look so i thought i would psost something on his origins.well,i believe he should be scared by Maroni or Joker if it's Maroni the usual acid if it's Joker i would prefer a tazor don't ask it would if it short circuited cause a electrical fire and would proably emss with your brain more.i'm pushing for the latter.

[Mr. Socko]

Joker should scar him in the very end of the movie, letting out his evil side once and for all. Joker is on trial and throws acid on the side of his face.

[GoldGoblin]

^Sounds good to me.

[Two-Face]

That's what will happen, Mr Socko.

[TheFalcon]

The plot summary from Bof of Nolan and Goyer's plan for a trilogy said that it would be Joker that does it. They might've changed it later but I think it's a good idea. It makes sense for Joker to use acid and it shows how crazy and evil he is. It could also set the stage for a fight between Joker and Two-Face in the last film.

[Swordmaster]

I had an idea that's closer to the comics, but the Joker is still involved.

Bats thinks Joker is dead, after having fallen (off of something, haven't worked that part out yet) during their climactic battle. Gordon has managed to bring Maroni (or whatever Crime Boss) in, and Dent will be prosecuting. During some sort of psychiatric session (or something along those lines) one Dr. Harleen Quinzell would inform Maroni he had a visitor: Joker. Joker would supply Maroni with the acid, and the rest would go as the comics go.

It's just an outline of what could happen, but I like it

[Ronny Shade]

I had an idea that's closer to the comics, but the Joker is still involved.

Bats thinks Joker is dead, after having fallen (off of something, haven't worked that part out yet) during their climactic battle. Gordon has managed to bring Maroni (or whatever Crime Boss) in, and Dent will be prosecuting. During some sort of psychiatric session (or something along those lines) one Dr. Harleen Quinzell would inform Maroni he had a visitor: Joker. Joker would supply Maroni with the acid, and the rest would go as the comics go.

It's just an outline of what could happen, but I like it
Not to be a stickler, but there's no way someone would be able to bring acid to a trial unless it was supposed to there as evidence (which is how I believe it happened in the comic)

[Katsuro]

Not to be a stickler, but there's no way someone would be able to bring acid to a trial unless it was supposed to there as evidence (which is how I believe it happened in the comic)

actually, it was his hidden in a bottle of Pepto Bismol, which he claimed he needed for his ulcer. Not sure if that would actually work in real life.

[Swordmaster]

IN TLH (which I'm pretty sure is canon) Maroni brought the acid for "an ulcer", hidden in his coat

It was just an idea, anyway

[Ronny Shade]

Hm. I always thought it was on the evidence table. But that works.

I still need to read TLH

[Two-Face]

Dent's assistant gives the acid to Maroni who hides it under his coat. It's long time since I read THL.

[COMPO]

Yeah dent's assistant gave it to Maroni. The thing about the evidence was the coin which belonged to Maroni.

[Two-Face]

Did it? I thought it belong to Dent's father Richard maybe I'm confusing with a different story.

[Lone Wolf]

Joker should scar him in the very end of the movie, letting out his evil side once and for all. Joker is on trial and throws acid on the side of his face.

Goyer said that's what he had planned back when he was ask if Joker and Two-Face would be in the sequel and the third film. Joker and Harvey Dent in the sequel is what we'll get first, with a set up for Two-Face toward the end. Could change though.

[lixdexia]

wow...this thread is old.....

[Punk&ComicBooks]

this is just me and my opinion but i really really dont want the joker to be the one who scars harvey! I`m pretty sure thats not how it`ll go down since Eric Roberts said himself that they stay pretty close to the comics and hopefully it`ll go down the way it went in TLH. I just really dont want the Joker and Harvey going at it as a third film and then having batman try to play the hippie `peacemaker` type. If the joker isnt in arkham throughout or at least most of the third film (which i hope) then two-face and joker should find some sort of common ground and go after batman together if anything.

[Hole Shot]

this is just me and my opinion but i really really dont want the joker to be the one who scars harvey! I`m pretty sure thats not how it`ll go down since Eric Roberts said himself that they stay pretty close to the comics and hopefully it`ll go down the way it went in TLH. I just really dont want the Joker and Harvey going at it as a third film and then having batman try to play the hippie `peacemaker` type. If the joker isnt in arkham throughout or at least most of the third film (which i hope) then two-face and joker should find some sort of common ground and go after batman together if anything.

I totally agree! I think Maroni is still going to be the one that does, it just won't be in a courtroom.

[lixdexia]

I totally agree! I think Maroni is still going to be the one that does, it just won't be in a courtroom.
i thought they'd already said that it happens in the courtroom:huh:

[Punk&ComicBooks]

I`m just a lil worried...i mean ya never really kno if things will actually go the way you wanna see it no matter how much the news progresses until it actually happens

[Hole Shot]

i thought they'd already said that it happens in the courtroom:huh:


Well they're wrong.

[Punk&ComicBooks]

i dont mind if its not in the courtroom actually...just as long as its between maroni and harvey

[Nepenthes]

Nah, it has to happen in court, that's half the point. It's symbolic and that.

An explosion could work the same as acid though, a small bomb or grenade device. Although if Joker and his acid have already been introduced (there were rumours Joker uses acid on Batmans old suit) then it's a no-brainer to follow it through to the courtroom as well. That would tie Joker into Two-Face's origin as Goyer originally intended, without having him actually throw the stuff. That said I think it's obvious Joker will have ALOT to do with Dents transformation anyway, although Jonah Nolans effort will be much more elegant and less heavy handed than Goyers idea.

The ferry crisis will be the entry for Two-Face.

[ashminator]

i got the long halowwen as a side xmas present so it's preaty fresh in my mind

the reason i wanted this is not only coz its considered a classic but because i read somewhere that it was the basis for tdk

so in this it is maroni that throws the (ulser) acid at dent because dent was part responsible for the falcone' killings but i dont believe this will pan out like that in tdk with a holiday killer so there has to be another motive in the movie that we have all over looked

any way im sure nolan will deliver movie magic again

so why so serious?

[escobar2248]

Not to be a stickler, but there's no way someone would be able to bring acid to a trial unless it was supposed to there as evidence (which is how I believe it happened in the comic)

It's a movie, anything can happen!! :woot::woot::cwink:

He may stick the acid in a jar of salsa and decide to bust out some tortilla chips and salsa for a snack during testimony. :woot::oldrazz:

[Juha]

I wonder how the entire courtroom scene ultimately plays out. I mean there has to be one, right? I wonder how long it takes and which characters are involved. I guess TDK won't be turning into a courtroom drama all of a sudden but the scarring of Dent is such a pivotal moment that the courtroom scene has to have plenty of depth and the scarring is just the ultimate "pay-off".

[ashminator]

yeah but my old pal ronnie was right even if he did have somthing for an ilness it would be checked before hand and defendants and plaintiffs ect are never really at throwing distance

[bestever23]

I really don't want Joker to be Involved with Harvey Becoming Two-Face because that's like Joker being The one that Killed batman's parents In Tim Burton's movie. It's Lame

I want to see a Joker vs Two Face Showdown but not because Joker Scarred Him
I Hope It's Maroni and I hope we have a cool courtroom scene that is the place where Harvey gets Acid Thrown At him and not by getting captured or a explosion
But If It doesn't Happen I'd be Disappointed but I believe In Nolan and He will Wrap everything up nicely

[itsthebatman]

'Permission to treat as a hostile witness.'
'I'll show you hostile.'
I hope those lines survive. Looking forward to a great courtroom scene.

[escobar2248]

I really don't want Joker to be Involved with Harvey Becoming Two-Face because that's like Joker being The one that Killed batman's parents In Tim Burton's movie. It's Lame

I want to see a Joker vs Two Face Showdown but not because Joker Scarred Him
I Hope It's Maroni and I hope we have a cool courtroom scene that is the place where Harvey gets Acid Thrown At him and not by getting captured or a explosion
But If It doesn't Happen I'd be Disappointed but I believe In Nolan and He will Wrap everything up nicely

Same here. I hope that it's mob related. Especially from TLH, he has a certain obsession of bringing down the mob. I just hope that it's towards the end of the film so it doesn't get too crowded.

[comic_guy04]

Did it? I thought it belong to Dent's father Richard maybe I'm confusing with a different story.

Harvey recieved the E pluribus unim coin from his father in TLH. It adds to his already abnormal mental illness, and makes the character deeper imo, instead of getting it from Moroni.

[Steyin]

If Maroni is not the one to scar Dent then I will not be pleased.

[souvlaki]

If Maroni is not the one to scar Dent then I will not be pleased.

Maybe I'm imagining things but wasn't there a pretty popular rumor going around for a while that while Maroni himself wasn't going to be the one to scar Dent, one of his men would? While not quite like the comic books I feel like that would be a fair compromise.

[Drummerdude7]

it'd be more feasible if one of maroni's men did it.....i mean, why would maroni do it? wouldn't that put him away? i think it'd be better if one of his men was on the stand saying his piece and then we get the whole "hostile" line

[CaptainClown]

So many people on here wanted Maroni to do it. I have to say even though its true to the origin, I really hope it isn't. If I were a mob boss on trial I think doing something like that is the LAST thing I would want to do.

[Drummerdude7]

yeah, i expect that splashing corrosive acid in the District Attorney's face wouldn't help his case too much....

[gdw]

Well, we know for sure that Dent has it out for Maroni, given the scene we already know about where he is spared by the coin, so i think it is safe to assume he's responsible somehow.

[Punk&ComicBooks]

So many people on here wanted Maroni to do it. I have to say even though its true to the origin, I really hope it isn't. If I were a mob boss on trial I think doing something like that is the LAST thing I would want to do.


If theres enough corruption in the city (which there seems to be) you can probly get away with anything if you got the right people on your side. The whole court hearing could be one big setup to kill Harvey but instead he comes out alive and simply just scarred really bad...and now that I think about it Im pretty sure i remember reading somewhere that a courtroom scene was being filmed for TDK and ofcourse I read it as Rorys First Kiss but i dont remember where this was from.

[secretsquirrely]

Well if Maroni sees he has no way out of it, too much evidence and a sure guilty sentence coming up, he could become desperate and want one final blow before being sent to jail

[CaptainClown]

I dunno, if you pull the right strings you could get a parole especially in a corrupt city like that. You could also pretend to go crazy and get sent to Arkham. I am sure you could bully another Doctor into letting you in just to get you out quickly. There seem to be a whole lot of alternate things you could do then get some acid and throw it at your DA.

[Punk&ComicBooks]

Alright I wanna discuss an idea cuz I dont think I`ve read any mention of this from somebody yet (excuse me if someone has), but- Everyones wondering what kind of relationship the joker and two-face are going to have in the third- will they be against eachother? will they team up? will they even be involved with eachother at all since the possibility of the joker locked up in arkham the whole time? Well I`ve said before that I`d like to see the joker in arkham and giving batman a hard time trying to catch two-face. I know i definatley dont want the main plot of the third movie to be "Joker vs Two-face" and then just have batman play the teacher that breaks up a fight in the schoolyard. If anything I have said that if the joker is not put away then the two villains should find some kind of common ground and go after batman together. I think it would be very easy and absolutley amuzing to the joker to manipulate harvey since the man is now two-face- lost and confused I think he`d be very vulnerable to anything the joker says. In my opinion that would be one of the most ultimate victorys for the joker; the fact that he has manipulated the once and great DA Harvey Dent: the man who was supposed to get rid of crime and corruption in Gotham City. If you wanna go into more detail maybe there would be a scene where during thier first encounter two-face is still not sure what to do so he flips his coin and lands on the side that will put him with the joker. The joker personaly laughing at batman trying to help harvey back to his sanity...theres just a bunch of scenes i can picture in my head if they went with that and i dunno i think thatd be cool

[Reflectionist]

It's a movie, anything can happen!! :woot::woot::cwink:

He may stick the acid in a jar of salsa and decide to bust out some tortilla chips and salsa for a snack during testimony. :woot::oldrazz:

And Dent's history as a very large man comes back out and he shoves people out of the way of the salsa and shoves is whole head--- er.... I mean.... Half of his face in there.

:-p

[CyberDragon15]

I thought that it was confirmed by members of TDK that Maroni will be the one to throw the acid on Dent?

Is there still a possibility that it could be the joker?

[BubbaGump]

If a third Nolan film ever happens, I want a Joker/Two-Face relationship along the lines of Dark Victory.

[That'ssuper!]

Should he scar him with the flower?

http://cardboardmonocle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/joker.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah, only thing is, the squirting acid flower is not present on the "darker, gritty" Joker...


But in all honesty, I wouldn't want Joker scarring Dent with his posey anyway.

[Ledlunar]

If a third Nolan film ever happens, I want a Joker/Two-Face relationship along the lines of Dark Victory.

a agree with Bubbagump, Dark Victory had it right, (Its the sequel to The lOng Halloween[for anyone who doesnt know]) At the end of the long halloween or 85% of the way through it harvey is scarred than he leaves the hospital and frees the inmates of Arkham well the "freaks" anyways they sit in Falcones office and when he opens the door twoface is at his desk, Joker, Scarecrow, Madhatter, Solomon Grundy, Poison Ivy, Penguin, even Catwoman are all there Batman comes flying in though and wiht smoke bombs fihgts off all the crooks except for Harvey, than Harvey puts two bullets into Falcones head, Sucker punches Batman and flees again to kill his next victim,,,Vernon the corrupt Assistant District Attorney payed out by the mob (he supplied Maroni with the acid just as he is entering the court room as well as tipped the mob on all of Dents moves on bringing them down) he kills Vernon and allows Gordon and Batman to arrest him on Halloween ending the year long "Long Halloween" Dark Victory though is basically "Freaks Vs The Mob" of course Joker never really caters to anyone, its not like they team up but there is somewhat of a mutual respect (i stress some what) as they are both now "freaks" which basically become the new dark force in Gotham, I would love to see the 3rd movie more Two Face screwing the mob over and Joker getting lose and causing his own havok in Gotham again, But I like the idea of the "freaks" banding together against the mob, I mean Im sure most of Batman Rogues Gallery dispisses the mob as they know how corrupt the city is maybe it why half of them are MAD, I never want to see villains teaming up in the way Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones were

and yea since we know Twoface lets Maroni off in TDK cause of the flip of his coin, There will be unsettled business for 3... Fingers crossed Scarecrow and Joker and whoever else are all free'd from Arkham in 3 , I want Batman to go through Hell

[TromaFreak64]

It goes down like this,

Maroni and his gang are captured during a montage around scene 90 of the movie and Maroni is finally able to go on trial.

Because it is MARONI who is on trial INSTEAD of Falcone in the film universe, Maroni would NOT testify against himself. Instead a henchman of his, Rossi, brings the acid to court and throws it in Harvey Dent's face.

It is still Maroni who is responsible, but he doesn't directly do it himself because he would obviously plead the fifth in a trial like this, and wouldn't do something to incriminate himself further - since he still GETS OUT.

It's because this happens around scene 160, and then Two Face re-emerges around 306 to try and get his revenge on Maroni.

During scenes 304,305,306 is when Two-Face flips his coin that ends up with him killing Maroni's driver, but sparring Maroni, he then blows the car up.

Joker is NOT involved in Dent's scarring in the film universe.

[Symbiotic]

It goes down like this,

Maroni and his gang are captured during a montage around scene 90 of the movie and Maroni is finally able to go on trial.

Because it is MARONI who is on trial INSTEAD of Falcone in the film universe, Maroni would NOT testify against himself. Instead a henchman of his, Rossi, brings the acid to court and throws it in Harvey Dent's face.

It is still Maroni who is responsible, but he doesn't directly do it himself because he would obviously plead the fifth in a trial like this, and wouldn't do something to incriminate himself further - since he still GETS OUT.

It's because this happens around scene 160, and then Two Face re-emerges around 306 to try and get his revenge on Maroni.

During scenes 304,305,306 is when Two-Face flips his coin that ends up with him killing Maroni's driver, but sparring Maroni, he then blows the car up.

Joker is NOT involved in Dent's scarring in the film universe.How many pages total?

[TromaFreak64]

we know the script is around 330 scenes - which is essentially the same as batman - i do not know an exact page count -- we learned these things during the chicago film shoot when we got various things including cast call sheets, etc.

[Ledlunar]

SO he is scarred half way through the movie? Thats kindof Lame i wanted it to show Harvey go through Hell until the very end

[TromaFreak64]

well just cause the scene number play out that way doesn't mean the scenes run that length... it will certainly be more than half way - action scenes which exist more heavily at the latter half of the film always run more quickly than non action scenes....

But yes it occurs earlier on in the film that people expect, but Dent does appear to be the major arc of the film...

[ashminator]

but he may be in hospital and disearpear for a time afterwards, woulda prefered to have him scarred nearer the end though

heres one for ya what if somone was aiming at maroni but he ducks or summut and dent gets the lot on his chops

[TheBatman072]

Courtroom Acid thrown by Maroni or Joker.


That's the only way to do it.

[Lead_Tester]

Joker should scar him in the very end of the movie, letting out his evil side once and for all. Joker is on trial and throws acid on the side of his face.

Why introduce Maroni then?

[Magenta666]

i really dont want joker to be a part of two-faces creation...he "created batman" in 89 and i didnt like that...

[the_Horror]

Yeah Im pretty sure that Eric Roberts pretty much confirmed in an interview that his character would cause the damage to dent turning him into 2face--- I think it was from Empire maybe? Can anyone pull up that interview?

[Mr. Socko]

Why introduce Maroni then?


Dude, I wrote that almost 2 years ago, I don't even remember typing that lol

We have information that points to other ways than from what was originally known back in early '06.

[tigerknight]

just 1 question? why the courtroom, I would like something along the lines of btas. Dent, running along for a criminal; but fails and we have an explosion. Either way is cool as long as we don't get anything 4m bf. I blame schumacher

[Ecstasy]

just 1 question? why the courtroom, I would like something along the lines of btas. Dent, running along for a criminal; but fails and we have an explosion. Either way is cool as long as we don't get anything 4m bf. I blame schumacher

Didn't Dent from BTAS get scarred on his face because of some chemicals? All I remember is an explosion.

And I don't think they'd do it like that in TDK; it'll definitely be the courtroom acid.

[metalhead971]

Didn't Dent from BTAS get scarred on his face because of some chemicals? All I remember is an explosion.

And I don't think they'd do it like that in TDK; it'll definitely be the courtroom acid.
They had to change Harvey Dent's transformation into Two-Face for the animated series, cuz the comic book origin was a bit too gruesome for kids. In BTAS Harvey is trying to recover his psych evaluation (dealing with his other personality Bid Bad Harv) from Rupert Thorne, who's blackmailing him with it. Harvey ends up chasing Thorne through a chemical plant (chemical plants seem overused a lot). As one of Thorne's goons tries to shoot down Dent with a tommy gun, a bullet hits a stray wire, knocking it into a chemical vat right next to where Dent is standing. The ensuing explosion screws up Dent's face royally, and causes his mind to snap. Big Bad Harv then takes over, becoming Two-Face.

While this origin is one of the most well-thought-out reorganizations of an origin I've ever heard of, it just doesn't beat the drama and storytelling of the comic book origin, that of the courtroom scene and the acid bottle. The fact that they decided to have Maroni in this film pretty much solidifies the idea that they're going with the courtroom scene and the acid bottle from Maroni. It's gonna be ****in sweet.

[Laderlappen]

The courtroom scene is a classic! They have to use it.

[Secret_Riddle]

According to the sides..isn't it someone testifying in Maroni's favour?

[DrawingBlanks]

I had an idea that's closer to the comics, but the Joker is still involved.

Bats thinks Joker is dead, after having fallen (off of something, haven't worked that part out yet) during their climactic battle. Gordon has managed to bring Maroni (or whatever Crime Boss) in, and Dent will be prosecuting. During some sort of psychiatric session (or something along those lines) one Dr. Harleen Quinzell would inform Maroni he had a visitor: Joker. Joker would supply Maroni with the acid, and the rest would go as the comics go.

It's just an outline of what could happen, but I like it

I would like that a lot. Too bad Nolan debunked the HQ rumor though...:csad:

[Drummerdude7]

just 1 question? why the courtroom, I would like something along the lines of btas. Dent, running along for a criminal; but fails and we have an explosion. Either way is cool as long as we don't get anything 4m bf. I blame schumacher

I'd still prefer the courtroom scene.....even batman forever stuck to that as an "origin" for two-face, however sh***y that origin was...i never did like BTAS's two-face origin.:csad:

[Golgo-13]

Joker should scar him in the very end of the movie, letting out his evil side once and for all. Joker is on trial and throws acid on the side of his face.

O.K maybe i'm late here, but that is sssooooooo Batman Forever. Plus how the hell would Joker get acid into the court room anyhow? This was the same nonsense that had me confused in BF. :huh:

[Drummerdude7]

well, the nonsense was that harvey protected the other half of his face.......with a manila folder......


.......very durable, those folders are....

[Golgo-13]

I meant the nonsense of someone getting acid into a court room...

[Drummerdude7]

i know, i was just kidding around....i have a tendency to shamelessly point out flaws in batman forever

but either way, you have a point....it'll be interesting to see how acid is going to be smuggled into the courtroom....the perpetrator will probably have a few corrupt cops escort him or something.

[Mr. Socko]

O.K maybe i'm late here, but that is sssooooooo Batman Forever. Plus how the hell would Joker get acid into the court room anyhow? This was the same nonsense that had me confused in BF. :huh:


Ask David Goyer, he said it himself back in 05! That was in his original draft, that's where I got that from. Was thinking of nothing else. But you're right, the script has changed a lot since Goyer's rough draft, Joker won't be scarring Dent. People stop quoting me from 2 years ago regarding something Goyer said was in his original outline, especially when I don't even recall typing it!

As for how Joker gets acid into the courtroom...idk, same way Maroni and his thugs got it in the countroom in the comics?

[Doomed Hero Rising]

I know this isn't anything like the comic. But I think the Joker should cut up Dents face with a razor!

[Punk&ComicBooks]

I know this isn't anything like the comic. But I think the Joker should cut up Dents face with a razor!

If the joker were to cut someones face up it would just be into a smile

[escobar2248]

I'd still prefer the courtroom scene.....even batman forever stuck to that as an "origin" for two-face, however sh***y that origin was...i never did like BTAS's two-face origin.:csad:

I agree, BTAS's version was too close to the Joker's chemical bath for me.

Roberts said in an interview that he's the one that throws the acid in Harvey's face.

I'm just interested to see how much of the mobs actually play a part in this film. The mob element is the one thing I really enjoyed about TLH and Dark Victory.

[escobar2248]

If the joker were to cut someones face up it would just be into a smile

"Let's put a SMILE on that FACE!"

[Nightmare]

I think acid should be thrown on two face. Then thats the way he becomes deformed. maybe if joker shoved his head in a container but only halfways.

[Sayingkingkilla]

I know this isn't anything like the comic. But I think the Joker should cut up Dents face with a razor!


Are you joking or serious?

[ab38416]

It goes down like this,

Maroni and his gang are captured during a montage around scene 90 of the movie and Maroni is finally able to go on trial.

Because it is MARONI who is on trial INSTEAD of Falcone in the film universe, Maroni would NOT testify against himself. Instead a henchman of his, Rossi, brings the acid to court and throws it in Harvey Dent's face.

It is still Maroni who is responsible, but he doesn't directly do it himself because he would obviously plead the fifth in a trial like this, and wouldn't do something to incriminate himself further - since he still GETS OUT.

It's because this happens around scene 160, and then Two Face re-emerges around 306 to try and get his revenge on Maroni.

During scenes 304,305,306 is when Two-Face flips his coin that ends up with him killing Maroni's driver, but sparring Maroni, he then blows the car up.

Joker is NOT involved in Dent's scarring in the film universe.

Thanks for the info.

[Ledlunar]

way to wreck it jerk!,... Hey,HEY, I kid, I KID..... sounds wicked!, I just hope we really get a good understanding of Harvey and the inevitable happening to him, I mean we al know two face is one of his greatest villains, He's got a lot going under the surface like Bruce, I have faith in Nolan to really get us to appreciate Harvey and too like him, which is why "Harvey Corrupt before becoming Two face/Twist Theory) bothers me, I want him to be tragic it makes it epic and is a good middle ground between, Batman & Joker, I mean Batman Forever disregarded him as "Brain Damaged/Mentally Challenged" in the way were he isn't threatening just annoying and ridiculous, no sympathy for the guy whatsoever, It would be like waiting to see Anakin make his turn to the dark side only to go "Kick the whiney bastard's ass Obi Wan...." because no one appreciated Anakin, Lucas claims he based him off James Dean in a troubled manner but I never thought he had class or anything of the sort, But I guess alot of that goes into casting... I mean could you imagine if Hayden Christianson played Bob Dylan? :cwink: It would be just as ridiculous you'd probably be better off with a wooden doll... sorry but I'm just saying after "Year One" & "The Long Halloween" you want other to appreciate Two Face as a great more so even Harvey though as a tragedy showing what a city rotten to the core can do to someone.

ex: :brucebat: or :bh: <TRANSFORM THEM INTO A MONSTER

(though Hulk is gamma ray's)

[Nightmare]

Thanks for the info.

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