How much physical harm will SandMan cause Spider-Man?

[Spider-Bite]

I'm wondering how the fight scene could seem realistic in the sense that it realistically seems like Sandman wants to win the fight. I can't help but think how easy it would be to trap one of Spider-Man's limbs inside of his body and then Sandman could manipulate his body in a way so that Spider-Man's trapped arm gets snapped like a twig, or his leg gets bent backwards the wrong way or anything like that. Sandman could make spider-man touch his own elbow with his fingertips if he wanted to. He could decapitate him with ease if he wanted to.

How is this not going to happen without Sandman choosing not to? And if Sandman chooses not to, then how evil of a villain is he? He would actually kill him or leave him with severe handicapps. How do you choreogrpah a fight with this guy without the hero dying in the first 10 seconds without the fight scene coming off looking like Sandman isn't really trying to win?


Perhaps this is part of why Sandman could turn out to be a sympathetic villain. It might be the only possible way of explaining it.

[Spawn187]

If you really think about it sandman would kick spideys @ss everytime.

[deathshead2]

I hope sandman is beat the same way he was in his first apperance.

[Spawn187]

I hope sandman is beat the same way he was in his first apperance.



Dont tell me you always cheer for the hero.

[Abaddon]

Realistically,Sandman could destroy him.

[Spider-Bite]

If you really think about it sandman would kick spideys @ss everytime.

Yeah but he wouldn't just kick his ass, he would actually kill his or leave him with severe handicapps. How do you choreogrpah a fight with this guy without the hero dying in the first 10 seconds without the fight scene coming off looking like Sandman isn't really trying to win?

[deathshead2]

Dont tell me you always cheer for the hero.I don't when I watch GI;joe I want cobra to win.:confused:

[Spawn187]

The only way spidey wins is if there is a lightning storm

[deathshead2]

Realistically,Sandman could destroy him.He would still realistically get beat the same way he was in his first apperance.

[deathshead2]

The only way spidey wins is if there is a lightning stormOr a dirtdevil near by.

[Spawn187]

I don't when I watch GI;joe I want cobra to win.:confused:




out of all the villians in the world .........cobra???? how about joker or skeletor or rosie o'donell

[Spawn187]

Or a dirtdevil near by.




Ha ha

[deathshead2]

out of all the villians in the world .........cobra???? how about joker or skeletor or rosie o'donellI just use Cobra as an example.

[deathshead2]

Ha haI see you get the joke good your a true spider-man fan.:up:

[Spawn187]

I just use Cobra as an example.





Anyway lets stay on topic sand man can sufficate spidey then phsyically hurt him.

[The Joker]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/DoctorOck/vacuum.jpg


Sorry,I had to do it :O :D

[Spider-Bite]

If I was Spider-Man I don't think I would even stand up to him. Seriously. What's the point? I would be so incredibly terrified.

[DroolingforGwen]

I don't see SPidey winning a fight outright against Sandman... anyone stilll think Venom will bite and kill him???

[Spider-Bite]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/DoctorOck/vacuum.jpg


Sorry,I had to do it :O :D

well yeah but I was talking about his first experience with the Sandman. How could he survive even 10 seconds with him without dying or never being able to walk again?

[Spawn187]

If I was Spider-Man I don't think I would even stand up to him. Seriously. What's the point? I would be so incredibly terrified.



Of course i mean how can you fight someone who wears a green stripe shirt.....thats just crazy-i'm brian fellows

[Spider-Bite]

anybody think we should give him a nightmare about getting his leg broken in half by the Sandman?

[Spawn187]

Yeah a bad dream like having sand in is crack or something

[Spider-Bite]

I bet this is why we get Venom in the first place!

[Spawn187]

I bet this is why we get Venom in the first place!


Why??

[deathshead2]

I don't see SPidey winning a fight outright against Sandman... anyone stilll think Venom will bite and kill him???Konwing the way sam likes to do crazy scary stuff more than likely.

[deathshead2]

Why??To kill sandman of corse its a trend with the movies kill the badguy.

[Spider-Bite]

As a way to defeat Sandman. Remember Venom eventually helped defeat Carnage.

[Spawn187]

Konwing the way sam likes to do crazy scary stuff more than likely.


He should win the first fight cus spidey isnt going to know what the hell to do

[Abaddon]

To kill sandman of corse its a trend with the movies kill the badguy.


Technically the bad guys kill themselves.:o

[Spawn187]

To kill sandman of corse its a trend with the movies kill the badguy.





well the only one that died is gg1

[deathshead2]

well the only one that died is gg1Ock looked good and dead to me.

[Spawn187]

Technically the bad guys kill themselves.:o



which sucks cus eventually a hero will have to permenatly stop a villian

[deathshead2]

which sucks cus eventually a hero will have to permenatly stop a villianWait but spiderman doesn't kill wait JMS changed that.:(

[Spider-Bite]

Ock looked good and dead to me.

to me he looked unconscience, just like he was after the first accident. during the second one at least there was water to soften the blow. during the first one there was a containment breach. the tentacles didn't even look damaged although the circuitry could have been. He very well could have survived.

[Spawn187]

Ock looked good and dead to me.



Not dead there is no proof its what some people call a "SHANE" moment cus you dont know if he is or isnt and that comparison is for all those movie junkies out there

[Spawn187]

to me he looked unconscience, just like he was after the first accident. during the second one at least there was water to soften the blow. during the first one there was a containment breach. the tentacles didn't even look damaged although the circuitry could have been. He very well could have survived.



Exactly:up:

[deathshead2]

Not dead there is no proof its what some people call a "SHANE" moment cus you dont know if he is or isnt and that comparison is for all those movie junkies out thereWell when you have heavy arms on your back that can never come off and they no longer work and your going to the bottom of the water real fast that means dead to me.

[Spawn187]

Well when you have heavy arms on your back that can never come off and they no longer work and your going to the bottom of the water real fast that means dead to me.



Who said they dont work? There was never a break down.

[Spider-Bite]

Well when you have heavy arms on your back that can never come off and they no longer work and your going to the bottom of the water real fast that means dead to me.

How do you know they didn't work? they never showed any evidence that the arms stopped working. yeah they weren't doing anything, but there was nothing for them to grab onto anyways. once he hit the bottom which very well might not have been very deep considering they were so close to shore, the tentacles could have dragged him onto shore.

[Spawn187]

How do you know they didn't work? they never showed any evidence that the arms stopped working. yeah they weren't doing anything, but there was nothing for them to grab onto anyways. once he hit the bottom which very well might not have been very deep considering they were so close to shore, the tentacles could have dragged him onto shore.




Exactly again:up:

[Spawn187]

And i dont think you would want to kill a villian off before giving him a second wind.

[Dr.Dude]

Well.... to get technical.... how would Spider-Man ever beat Doctor Octopus, realistically? Or Venom? Or Electro? Or almost all of the other major villains?

That's part of the fun, when the villains are that much more powerful than the hero and it becomes an uphill battle for survival.... that's when things get interesting. ;)

[Spawn187]

Well.... to get technical.... how would Spider-Man ever beat Doctor Octopus, realistically? Or Venom? Or Electro? Or almost all of the other major villains?

That's part of the fun, when the villains are that much more powerful than the hero and it becomes an uphill battle for survival.... that's when things get interesting. ;)




Nah thats when things get too cliche cus in the real world bed beats good all the time

[deathshead2]

Well.... to get technical.... how would Spider-Man ever beat Doctor Octopus, realistically? Or Venom? Or Electro? Or almost all of the other major villains?

That's part of the fun, when the villains are that much more powerful than the hero and it becomes an uphill battle for survival.... that's when things get interesting. ;)Whats great is spider-man use to beat the bad guys in smart ways like with sandman no one would ever thank of that. But now spider-man isn't treated like he is smart any more its sad really people seem to forget he is a teacher.

[Spider-Bite]

Well.... to get technical.... how would Spider-Man ever beat Doctor Octopus, realistically? Or Venom? Or Electro? Or almost all of the other major villains?

That's part of the fun, when the villains are that much more powerful than the hero and it becomes an uphill battle for survival.... that's when things get interesting. ;)

No realisitically Spider-Man and Dock Ock are evenly matched. They both can climb walls, hit hard, and hit fast.

Ock has more arms to hit you with, but Spider-Man has a spider-sense. In reality I think Spider-Man would have an advantage over Doc Ock simply because the spider-sense when combined with super strength has got to be one of the most powerful abilites out there next to Sandman and Professer Xavier of course.

With Electro spider-man simply has to dodge hits and bolts of electricity and find something that doesn't conduct electricity to hit him with. again the spider-sense would come in handy.

with Venom? Venom basically is just a larger and stronger version of himself with the same powers.

[Spawn187]

Yeah they dont show hwo cleaver pete can be

[Abaddon]

Well.... to get technical.... how would Spider-Man ever beat Doctor Octopus, realistically? Or Venom? Or Electro? Or almost all of the other major villains?

That's part of the fun, when the villains are that much more powerful than the hero and it becomes an uphill battle for survival.... that's when things get interesting. ;)


Its also intersting when the villains are far more casual about killing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sandman should turn himself into a sand-storm and dive up Spidey's nostrils and into his lungs. Then he should expand and expand until spidey suffocates and eventually explodes in a shower of shredded organs, bone and soft flesh.
Then Venom should come down and slurp up the remains bit by bit, lapping up the blood from the floor.
He should then poo Spidey out and a dog should come and eat that.

Just a thought.

[Spawn187]

Its also intersting when the villains are far more casual about killing.


yeah like when the kill while wearing slacks and a tennis shirt. awsome:up:

[Spawn187]

Sandman should turn himself into a sand-storm and dive up Spidey's nostrils and into his lungs. Then he should expand and expand until spidey suffocates and eventually explodes in a shower of shredded organs, bone and soft flesh.
Then Venom should come down and slurp up the remains bit by bit, lapping up the blood from the floor.
He should then poo Spidey out and a dog should come and eat that.

Just a thought.



Hey kid thats what i said:up:

[Spider-Bite]

Sandman should turn himself into a sand-storm and dive up Spidey's nostrils and into his lungs. Then he should expand and expand until spidey suffocates and eventually explodes in a shower of shredded organs, bone and soft flesh.
Then Venom should come down and slurp up the remains bit by bit, lapping up the blood from the floor.
He should then poo Spidey out and a dog should come and eat that.

Just a thought.

I'm starting to think maybe Sandman shouldn't be in this movie. man. Sandman could really give us some disturbing visuals, that might even be too much for me.

I have never felt that way about violence on tv either.

[Spawn187]

I'm starting to think maybe Sandman shouldn't be in this movie. man. Sandman could really give us some disturbing visuals, that might even be too much for me.

I have never felt that way about violence on tv either.




dont get all choked up about it man its cool.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm starting to think maybe Sandman shouldn't be in this movie. man. Sandman could really give us some disturbing visuals, that might even be too much for me.

I have never felt that way about violence on tv either.


Hey, man...dogs do eat poo. It's a sad fact of life.

[Spawn187]

Hey, man...dogs do eat poo. It's a sad fact of life.




And sometimes people.................................i mean dogs eat people not people eat fergetit

[Spawn187]

But sandman can just morph for every punch thats thrown or thing thats thrown at him. my 250 post yay

[Spider-Bite]

I wasn't talking about the poop factor.

[Spawn187]

I just hope that his clothes morph too cus if not that would be wierd

[The Joker]

Whats great is spider-man use to beat the bad guys in smart ways like with sandman no one would ever think of that.

Very true.

For example he never actually beat the Green Goblin until ASM#40.And he did that by getting Norman to unmask himself,and get emotional over how his life went wrong.

Spider-Man quit after he first fought Ock,because Ock dished out such a humiliating defeat to him [see my sig].It was only after an inspirational speech from the Human Torch that he decided to go after Ock again,and this time defeated him by fusing two of his tentacles together temporarily,and then webbing Ock's glasses and finally being able to get thru those tentacles to punch him.

He defeated Rhino in ASM#41 by simply wearing him out energy wise.

Spider-Man defeated the Lizard in ASM#6,not by brute force,but by managing to get the antidote down the Lizard's throat,thus restoring him back to Curt Connors.

And of course Spidey used a vacuum cleaner to beat Sandman the first time around.

[Spawn187]

Very true.

For example he never actually beat the Green Goblin until ASM#40.And he did that by getting Norman to unmask himself,and get emotional over how his life went wrong.

Spider-Man quit after he first fought Ock,because Ock dished out such a humiliating defeat to him [see my sig].It was only after an inspirational speech from the Human Torch that he decided to go after Ock again,and this time defeated him by fusing two of his tentacles together temporarily,and then webbing Ock's glasses and finally being able to get thru those tentacles to punch him.

He defeated Rhino in ASM#41 by simply wearing him out energy wise.

Spider-Man defeated the Lizard in ASM#6,not by brute force,but by managing to get the antidote down the Lizard's throat,thus restoring him back to Curt Connors.

And of course Spidey used a vacuum cleaner to beat Sandman the first time around.





we need more fans like you who know there stuff

[Spider-Bite]

Spider-Man defeated the Lizard in ASM#6,not by brute force,but by managing to get the antidote down the Lizard's throat,thus restoring him back to Curt Connors.

.

If we ever get the lizard, that's how he should be defeated.

[Spawn187]

If we ever get the lizard, that's how he should be defeated.


Yeah this way maybe him and spidey will get close and when ever spidey needs help he can go to him for advice.

[SsM]

wow... three pages in less than an hour... :x frickin awesome.

[Abaddon]

I just hope that his clothes morph too cus if not that would be wierd


Not really.

http://www.xasa.com/postales/comic/spiderman/SANDMAN.jpg
http://darwen.us/darrell/blographics/spiderman/spiderman002.jpg

[swiggamaninc]

Venom beat the hell out of spider-man every time they fought. He Could have killed him multiple times but he just BSed like all villians do, the only way Spider-man ever won was to trick Venom or he had some help like the Fantastic Four or somebody like that. Spidey has no work for Venom, he should have been dead abot 346 comics ago.

[Obi-Ron]

Spidey should take a John McClane or Indiana Jones level beating in every movie.

[lordofthenerds]

He'll get sand stuck in Spidey's tights. :eek:

[superkong 500]

I think that aside of how to choreograph a fight between them the real question is, how would spidey be able to hit sandman, I mean some people say that with the symbiote on, spidey will defeat sandman, but really I think its the same thing, spidey would only be faster and stronger but sandman will just have to transform into sand,I mean spidey can't beat him in anyway,the black suit will make no difference,each time spidey hits him his fist will go through sandman, and sandman will just soround and elgulf spidey with sand choking him. The only things he can do with the black suit are,1:he has more speed and even agility while in the suit so he can dodge and avoid almost every blow sandman throws at him, and probably even broke sandman's body parts(with his new found strenth) when he becomes rockhard.

But sandman will just become sand and piece himself together back.The only way spidey can destroy him is to lure him into fire somehow and transform him into glass,or use the symbiote's molecules(theblack substance) and maybe mix it with the sand molecules and then the symbiote could contaminate sandman's molecules and actually damage sandman,making him malfunction,ala liquid terminator in T2.

[Spider-Bite]

I think that with the symbiote spider-man could use it to spread throught sandman inbetween some of the grains of sand so that Sandman loses part of himself and it could possibly hurt his ability to retain his shape.

[Nebins]

Well in one of the comics Venom bit Sandman and poisoned him and made him crumble apart. That could happen in this one. But lets say thats not an option then Spider-man would have no chance against Sandman. The only way Spidey can defeat him is by tricking him or some mistake on his part. I'm sure the writers already thought of this so I don't think Spider-man will beat Sandman by pummeling him into submission.

[SsM]

Venom beat the hell out of spider-man every time they fought. He Could have killed him multiple times but he just BSed like all villians do, the only way Spider-man ever won was to trick Venom or he had some help like the Fantastic Four or somebody like that. Spidey has no work for Venom, he should have been dead abot 346 comics ago. LETS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOT talk about venom..... PLEASE. :) SANDMAN rules woohoO!!!

[jusblaze21]

Well, If Spidey is fighting Sandman while he has the Symbiote, I say it will be a good fight.

[The Redux 714]

Realistically,Sandman could destroy him.

Hate to be a party-pooper, and I do think Sandman would litterally bury Spidey in crap, but...

Spidey + Dirt Devil = A Screwed Sandman.

[tw9876z]

he will give him whiplash, sand in underwear, a rash, burns, and break his ribs.

[christpunchers]

My prediction for how Sandy will be "killed" in sm3 is that Parker knows all along he could just use water to get rid of him.... but he wont do that in the beginning because he's the "good guy" with a conscience, he wants to stop sandman, not kill him..

The "teaser" that we've got from sony with the "black suit" with Parker mooping in the rain? Its possible that after he's aquired the symbiote he wont let the difference between right and wrong stop him from ending sandman. Its raining and spidey uses this to his advantage. The suit tells him to trap Sandman somehow using water from the storm, parker does this, sandman either dies completely or is left crippled for life. Thus you got that whole "with power comes great responsiblity" thing going again for this morning, the whole black spidey sitting in the rain dealing with the choices he makes and he finds out that he needs to reject the suit or stop being spidey all together.

[Spider-Bite]

I'm against the death penalty, but if the only way to stop Sandman was to kill him I would do it. It would be immoral not to, because not stopping when you had the power to means, you are responsible for every person he harms in the future.

[Cmill216]

Well in ASM #4, Spidey's mask got ripped off in his first fight with Sandman, and we know Raimi likes to get the mask off. So....;)

[Frenzy]

This is where Spideys amazing speed and agility will come into play. I think Sandman will REALLY be trying to hurt Spidey but Spidey ALWAYS be far too quick to get caught by Sandy :)

Sandman may be strong but is he smart or quick enough? NO ;)

[Spider-Bite]

This is where Spideys amazing speed and agility will come into play. I think Sandman will REALLY be trying to hurt Spidey but Spidey ALWAYS be far too quick to get caught by Sandy :)

Sandman may be strong but is he smart or quick enough? NO ;)

That would only matter if Spider-Man was always running from him. If spider-man actually fights him none of that will matter.

[dr venture]

^ true

[Visionary]

^Very true.

[Rabid_Rust]

I think that they're gonna limit sandmans powers a considerable amount in this movie. Like, if spideys going to punch him in the face, maybe Sandman will have to have time to react, instead of the molecules instantly changing. Which reminds me, don't you think it'd be awesome for spidey to do a slow motion right hook to sandmans face, and completely decimate the side of it, sending sand flying (Think of the scene in Underworld, where Viktor or whatever punched that Lycan in the face, just replace the blood and stuff with sand)

[Silverstein]

That would only matter if Spider-Man was always running from him. If spider-man actually fights him none of that will matter.

Spider-man is not Wolverine or The Hulk. He does not run into a situation head first, he does not solve everything with his fists. Peter is brilliant, a thinker. If you're a random comic fan and can figure out that he'd be screwed trying to fight a guy who can turn into sand.....Why wouldn't Peter?

So...he WOULD be running, would be dodging, and WOULD be thinking of other ways to defeat him. Such as getting a vaccum of sorts. Or knocking sandman into the ocean...any number of things that can put him down.

[Spider-Bite]

I think that they're gonna limit sandmans powers a considerable amount in this movie. Like, if spideys going to punch him in the face, maybe Sandman will have to have time to react, instead of the molecules instantly changing. Which reminds me, don't you think it'd be awesome for spidey to do a slow motion right hook to sandmans face, and completely decimate the side of it, sending sand flying (Think of the scene in Underworld, where Viktor or whatever punched that Lycan in the face, just replace the blood and stuff with sand)

or maybe when sandman has spider-man's body trapped inside of him, Sandman isn't as strong as we suspect. What if Spider-Man is capable of just busting right through Sandman, but then sandman reforms his body of course.

[Cmill216]

I think that they're gonna limit sandmans powers a considerable amount in this movie. Like, if spideys going to punch him in the face, maybe Sandman will have to have time to react, instead of the molecules instantly changing.

I don't think so. We've heard the VFX on Sandman will raise the bar (and we can also logically think this as well), and we also know that Sandman is one of Raimi's favorite villains, so I think we're going to get a full fledged Sandman.

[Arcturus]

He's goint to hurt spider-man, thus, in return, he's going to get sued for aggravated assault.

:eek:

[Abaddon]

Well in ASM #4, Spidey's mask got ripped off in his first fight with Sandman, and we know Raimi likes to get the mask off. So....;)


Oh God no...:(

[The Hurricane]

Im thinking that maybe spidey wont be able to beat him and if venom is in this movie. venom will kill him because thats what happened in the comics

[superkong 500]

Okay question to everyone, I don't really want spidey to defeat sandman wiht his fists or so,because he can't,but my worry is this, could the fights between spidey and sandman be cool and spectacular, I mean we all know that sandman can kick and will kick spidey's ass, but can spidey(atleast in the balck suit) deliver great punches and atleast break sandman's face(even if he puts himselfback together) literally so we can have a great fight scene? you know so we can see spidey look awesome i nthe suit,I just want spidey in the balck suit to dodge sandman like for example,sandman throws a hammer fisted blow at spidey, and spidey jumps and does a back or front flip to avoid being hit,and then with his new faster reflexes he jumps onto sandman and punches him inthe face a couple of times.Can you see that happening? I hope so,I don't want spidey just dodging all the time I wanna see spidey hitting sandman also you know:)

[The Hurricane]

maybe he can fight him by through things at him like cars and such. That could work. If he keeps his distrance he can do alright

[deathshead2]

I hope spider-man beats sandman with the dirtdevil it will be he coolest thing ever.

[superkong 500]

maybe he can fight him by through things at him like cars and such. That could work. If he keeps his distrance he can do alright
Well if he can fight him throwing things like cars at him,then he can punch him and kick him while using the black suit.

[theoneandonly]

i think throughout the whole film spidey will be being beaten senseless by sandman. but then one fight it will start raining heavily and spidey will defeat him then :)

[chesslover]

Sandman's going to kill Spidey & Venom. Deal with it.

[The Riddler]

Sandman's going to kill Spidey & Venom. Deal with it.
hahha.

that would be shocking.

and stupid.

[The Riddler]

i think throughout the whole film spidey will be being beaten senseless by sandman. but then one fight it will start raining heavily and spidey will defeat him then :)
nah, spidey will just piss on sandman after drinking a LOT of water.

sandman is down for the count.

[Arcturus]

Sandman will get sucked into a vacuum, Venom will get bombarded by five alarm chile , and the Green Goblin will be killed by Gandalf.

[Visionary]

By Gandalf?

:confused:

[Arcturus]

By Gandalf?

:confused:

Yeah, by Gandalf.

[theoneandonly]

haha that really would be weird

[Visionary]

Lord Of The Spiders.

:O

[Frenzy]

How's ABOUT Sandy snaps Spideys neck in their first battle and the rest of the film is a flashback to how he came to die?

Yeah - pretty bad stuff :( I'll go away now

[The Ones]

How about 1/2 way into the movie Sandman is given his powers then Spidey fights Sandy, then he gets badly beaten. Around this is the GG2 and Peter whining about Gwen and MJ. Then he gets the black suit (from JJJ's son secret creation to kill Peter and Eddie shows Pete it. Eddie is mates with Pete but Hates Spider-man and he keeps going on about this will be spideys downfall and he gets pete to take some after eddie does to try and find out how it works. peter takes some to see how it could be thretening) then he gets the suit and he feels stronger.

It harms the people he loves and gets MJ killed. He moans at a church tower. Eddie takes pic's of him and Pete finds out and ties him uo, Spidey is attacked by Sandy, but with the black suit He gets the upper hand. But it strikes midnight and the bell makes him crazy and the suit is discarded, Sandy is about to kill pete When Venom comes and says: "Hey grainy, this one is ours" and bites him when provoked by Sandy. Then Venom walks up to pete and is about to kill him (the seperating of the suit has made him weak) and it goes: To Be Continued.

[Cmill216]

How about 1/2 way into the movie Sandman is given his powers then Spidey fights Sandy...

STOP RIGHT THERE! :D

I personally think Sandman's gonna have his powers WAY earlier in the film (due to this being the case in ASM #4 which we now know is going to be likely incorporated into the film) and becauses it differs from the Ock situation in SM2 (with the birth of the villain coming midway). I think Sam's gonna want to get this film off to a faster start with an early Sandman/Spidey battle.

[Spider-Bite]

I'm wondering if anything will be connected to the last swing of spider-man 2 where he swings away and there are those two helicopters. It's possible the opening scene could be a fight, and it could be an extension of the last scene of the last movie.

It's not going to take place a year or two after the last movie. That would totally screw up Harry's story.

[DroolingforGwen]

I'm wondering if anything will be connected to the last swing of spider-man 2 where he swings away and there are those two helicopters. It's possible the opening scene could be a fight, and it could be an extension of the last scene of the last movie.

It's not going to take place a year or two after the last movie. That would totally screw up Harry's story.

I don't see this... but I do wonder how they will open up the movie... we know it's not gonna be the space ship bringing back the symbaite... maybe they start with Flint fleeing to the beech after a major heist... I think the movie movie will happen several months after the second... with MJ and Peter getting used to their new relationship.

[The Riddler]

i'm thinkin' sandman will punch and kick spider-man.

maybe throw a trash can, too.

maybe.

[Silverstein]

Everyone.....You forget something. Sandman is his Sand. And the only reason he's not hurt is because it absorbs the kinectic energy transferred from the punch. If Spider-Man moves fast enough (ie with symbiote?), he can attack Sandman in weak points and harm him.

I'd like to draw all of your attention to Rock Lee fighting Gaara of The Desert in the anime series Naruto. When Rock Lee moves fast enough, he's hitting and striking faster than the Sand can move. Faster than Gaara can have the sand protect him.

So picture this scene:

Sandman had defeated Spider-Man in their first encounter. He just used the sand and blew him away. But this time, Black Spidey jumps over the blasts. Sandman makes Sand-Hammer fists and tries to smash and flail at Spidey. but Spidey ducks, dodges and is punching Sandman, faster than he can move or contort. He punches him fast enough and hard enough to literally shatter Sandman's form.

This would work because Sandman is in a solid form when he has Sand-Hammer fists. If Sandman makes himself hollow, then he can only harm Spider-man with air attacks. He can not make a solid strike. If I throw a brick of Sand at you, it will hurt because it's concentrated. If I throw regular sand at you, you'll at most just be really itchy.

If the sand were alive, then when I throw the brick at you...And you kick it out of the air, I'm guessing the sand would probablly be hurt. Because you're disrupting the concentration of it's thickness.

But it doesn't do that much damage because the Sand despereses. When you break the Sand brick, it because hollow crumbles of sand. BUT if you could strike it like three times before it falls apart, then that would be more damage transfered.

Sandman would be getting hurt, and having trouble coming back together. When he can't concentrate he'd most likely start becoming even more solid, since that's his original form. So even more damage can be dealt.

And if he becomes the more fluid, hollow sand when he is weak then Spider-Man could suck him up with a vaccum, or throw him into a body of water, and have him be absorbed. (And if not absorbed, then the water would make it difficult to reform. He'd be trapped in pieces. Thousands or millions of grains of sand.)

[superkong 500]

Each time I imagine the fights between spidey and sandman I see sandman throwing punches and sand all over trying to hit spidey and spidey flipping and dodging and swinging around to avoid being hit,I mean its cool to see see spidey do his great acrobatics,but I want raimi to use his creativity to somehow design a fight in which spidey also punches sandman and maybe even hurts him,maybe when sandman transforms into solid he becomes vurnerable, but spidey hits him and nothing will happen because sandman's gets rock hard. So everytime spidey hits him he almost breaks his hand,until he gets the symbiote,and then when he hits sandman(while wearing the symbiote suit) he actually breaks his face, and something that would be cool,would be if sandman throws a spiked cement hard giant fist at black suit spidey and he gets a surprise, when instead of spidey thrying to jump to avoid being hit by the giant sandfist he just stays there and suddenly punches sandman's fist and breaks it,big chunks of solidrock flying and sandman's face, scared and surprised.It would be awesome.

[Silverstein]

I made a diagram to explain this better...hold on.

Mkay...
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/978450/sand1.JPG
When the waves of energy go through the concentrated sand that equals pain. Sandman feels that. But Spider-Man can be hit by this kind as well. This is when Sandman tries to do physical attacks. Easier to dodge but harder to counter in a way that would quickly put sandman away. Unless Spidey uses a fireman's hose or something.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/978450/Sand2.JPG
This is Sandman's form when he's intangible, this form is hard to harm physically. almost impossible. But he can't hit spider-man either. He uses this form for air attacks. And the air attacks are harder to dodge but it's easier for Sandy to be sucked up.

[superkong 500]

You mean an illustration of how the fight could be?well post post posthttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Spider-Bite]

Each time I imagine the fights between spidey and sandman I see sandman throwing punches and sand all over trying to hit spidey and spidey flipping and dodging and swinging around to avoid being hit,I mean its cool to see see spidey do his great acrobatics,but I want raimi to use his creativity to somehow design a fight in which spidey also punches sandman and maybe even hurts him,maybe when sandman transforms into solid he becomes vurnerable, but spidey hits him and nothing will happen because sandman's gets rock hard. So everytime spidey hits him he almost breaks his hand,until he gets the symbiote,and then when he hits sandman(while wearing the symbiote suit) he actually breaks his face, and something that would be cool,would be if sandman throws a spiked cement hard giant fist at black suit spidey and he gets a surprise, when instead of spidey thrying to jump to avoid being hit by the giant sandfist he just stays there and suddenly punches sandman's fist and breaks it,big chunks of solidrock flying and sandman's face, scared and surprised.It would be awesome.

nice. :up: good thinking

[Spider-Bite]

good thinking as well Chinese Food

[Robotchicken]

you guys, why does spider-man have to kill sandy? maybe venom will kill him so HE can take care of spider-man himself out of vengance. i do think peter should kill harry, more dramatic. i think it will open with sandy escaping from prison, then him getting his powers. then it will cut to a seen of space, them going to the comet, mars whatever, and the sybiote(or however you spell it) kills the crew, or atleast attacks them. and them crashing, spidery gets his black suit, and sandman shows up(GG2later) and spidey fights him with his black suit, and still gets owned, all the times he fights him. but later in the movie after he finds out the alien is taking over, he makes some noise or wtvr and it coems off, follows Brock home(Brock was following spidey because jameson hired him to see why MJ dumped his son) and attaches itself to brock, now spidey has to fight sandman without his suit and gets owned, and then right b4 spidey is killed Venom comes in and HE owns sandman, then he walks over to spider-man saying he wanted to kill him hiself, but then maybe GG2 comes in because he also wants vengance twards him and GG2 and venom fight, venom almost ownz GG2 but then he flys off on his glider in search of spider-man b4 he himself dies and venom laggs behind GG2 cause hes much faster on the glider, harry finds spidey and they fight, then he kills harry and and then he leaves the fight area. Then a bit after he leaves Venom comes in and finds gg2 dead in his mansion and gos off and finds spider-man, then starts fighting spider-man ontop of a building or wtvr, and venoms using all his crazy tricks(blend in to the env. ect.) and he ownz spider-man and he laughs at him and for some reason venom leaves him to die, but somthing makes him live and soon the movie ends, setting venom up for next movie.:spidey:
sounds like spider-man gets owned through my version of the movie :P

[Silverstein]

thanks! ^_^

[superkong 500]

nice. :up: good thinking

thanks man,btw what would be your description of a cool spidey vs sandman fight,one in which of course:) spidey also hits sandman.

[Cmill216]

thanks man,btw what would be your description of a cool spidey vs sandman fight,one in which of course:) spidey also hits sandman.

There's some good ideas in this thread...
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217473

;)

[DroolingforGwen]

I think Sandman is gonna be like the T-1000 in T2... pretty much indestructable through ordinary means... Spiderman can only hope to contain him... the first battle however... Spidey will get his ass kicked... when he gets the symbiate I think it will be pretty much even...

[superkong 500]

I think Sandman is gonna be like the T-1000 in T2... pretty much indestructable through ordinary means... Spiderman can only hope to contain him... the first battle however... Spidey will get his ass kicked... when he gets the symbiate I think it will be pretty much even...

Yea but the thing is how,because the symbiote will only give spidey extra strenth and speed agility and such,but punches are punches so he can only break sandman but he as the T-1000 will piece himself back together,he will restructure his molecules,the other thing that can happen(which would make for awwsome visuals is that maybe i ntheir fight spidey suddenly throws a punch, but a tendril comes out of his fist like a giant whip and each time it hits sandman it contaminates his molecules,until sandman starts to feel tired and sick and starts to lose control over his shapeshifting abilities.

[Silverstein]

I was just wondering about something. How are they going to make the villains realistic to an audience who doesn't understand comic-logic? Green Goblin made since in a science fiction way. The chemicals gave him enhanced stregnth and speed. And technology made up for anything else. doctor Octopus was able to control the arms through a mental bond. And the arms were strong because they were scientifically created to be used to withstand "the power of the sun".

Even if you don't read comics the previous villains made sense. People understood how their powers work. And it was acceptable. How do you male Sandman or Venom make sense? Like Sandman is all sand. So even when he's in a normal human mode he doesn't really have organs or anything anymore. He doesn't breathe. He's more a less a sand castle in the form of a man.

Venom (either the symbiote or with brock), I think makes more sense. But still might be confusing to people who have never read the comics. Do you think they will dumb down some of their powers? Or simply not show/mention them?

[eXperiment]

Hopefully some but not to much.

[eXperiment]

Good Night Ladies And Gentlemen

[Spider-Bite]

I was just wondering about something. How are they going to make the villains realistic to an audience who doesn't understand comic-logic? Green Goblin made since in a science fiction way. The chemicals gave him enhanced stregnth and speed. And technology made up for anything else. doctor Octopus was able to control the arms through a mental bond. And the arms were strong because they were scientifically created to be used to withstand "the power of the sun".

Even if you don't read comics the previous villains made sense. People understood how their powers work. And it was acceptable. How do you male Sandman or Venom make sense? Like Sandman is all sand. So even when he's in a normal human mode he doesn't really have organs or anything anymore. He doesn't breathe. He's more a less a sand castle in the form of a man.

Venom (either the symbiote or with brock), I think makes more sense. But still might be confusing to people who have never read the comics. Do you think they will dumb down some of their powers? Or simply not show/mention them?

people will wonder how sandman does what he does but they will still like him because his visuals will be so awesome.

[Pagrebo]

I was just wondering about something. How are they going to make the villains realistic to an audience who doesn't understand comic-logic? Green Goblin made since in a science fiction way. The chemicals gave him enhanced stregnth and speed. And technology made up for anything else. doctor Octopus was able to control the arms through a mental bond. And the arms were strong because they were scientifically created to be used to withstand "the power of the sun".

Even if you don't read comics the previous villains made sense. People understood how their powers work. And it was acceptable. How do you male Sandman or Venom make sense? Like Sandman is all sand. So even when he's in a normal human mode he doesn't really have organs or anything anymore. He doesn't breathe. He's more a less a sand castle in the form of a man.

Venom (either the symbiote or with brock), I think makes more sense. But still might be confusing to people who have never read the comics. Do you think they will dumb down some of their powers? Or simply not show/mention them?

Basic suspension of belief. Everyone realizes that being bitten by a genetically mutated spider doesn't give you the powers that Spiderman has. Same principle here. The incident occurs that turns Marko into Sandman, a few doctors/scientists babble briefly about why and what he is able to do, and if done so in a simple way, the audience subconsciously accepts those facts as a part of the character/story. See Fantasic 4, Terminator, Superman, etc., for examples of making the impossible believable... at least for two hours!:)

[JamieMadrox]

people will wonder how sandman does what he does but they will still like him because his visuals will be so awesome.

Maybe he'll be more like a ghost or somethin'. Like his soul is controlling the sand/molecules.

[Jubba]

not sure if this has been brought up or not
but something i read made me wonder if sandman will be like dry sand or wet sand
i could imagine what a character that can turn to wet sand would look like much easier than i can a character made of dry sand...and getting hit with a clump of wet sand would be harder than dry sand, i should think
i assume that JJJ will give sandman his name in this movie, like with doc ock, so the best analogy he'll have when he sees a guy that goes all goopy will be like sand at a beach and when he hits you it's lights out, bring on the sandman, hence the name

[theoneandonly]

i think that there will be alot of damage to the city and to both of them

[Spiderpig]

Perhaps Spidey will melt Sandman into glass and have him crafted into an elaborate vase.

Sandman defeated and the ideal gift for Aunt May!

[theoneandonly]

i dont know why but i think aunt may will die

[ElectroFlare]

Perhaps Spidey will melt Sandman into glass and have him crafted into an elaborate vase.

Sandman defeated and the ideal gift for Aunt May!

That would be perfect!

[One Nate Seven]

Sandman will move POWERFULLY slow... regular human adapted to new powers = coming into himself

[Spiderpig]

Sandman will move POWERFULLY slow... regular human adapted to new powers = coming into himselfI hope we see Sandman coming into himself.

[theoneandonly]

??????? coming into himself ???????

[Spiderpig]

??????? coming into himself ???????Sandmen have needs too you know.

[carnomlio]

just a guess but couldnt sandman become that one mud creature with out hydroman.heres what i think,sandman will end up fighting spidey then later trying to protect him from venom and gets killed or stays alive for the next film for even more villians in sm4.

[dr venture]

i think that there will be alot of damage to the city and to both of them

^ i agree


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