Question about Ultimate FF and the 'Frightful Four'

[Horrorfan]

After reading and loving the Marvel Zombies mini, I FINALLY got my hands on the tpb/arc it spun off of. After finishing it, I was thinking...why on earth are The FF keeping these zombies alive? It's a disease that finished off the other world in three days....why not just kill them right away? why risk it?

Oh and Thing knocked Hulk (pretty much the zombified 616 version) TFO. That lets you know Ultimate versions could pretty much pwn most of their 616 counter parts ;)

And Namor was such a jerk. It's lucky the REAL Ultimates and X Men weren't around if fake ones game him such a hard time.

[XwolverineX]

After reading and loving the Marvel Zombies mini, I FINALLY got my hands on the tpb/arc it spun off of. After finishing it, I was thinking...why on earth are The FF keeping these zombies alive? It's a disease that finished off the other world in three days....why not just kill them right away? why risk it?

Oh and Thing knocked Hulk (pretty much the zombified 616 version) TFO. That lets you know Ultimate versions could pretty much pwn most of their 616 counter parts ;)

And Namor was such a jerk. It's lucky the REAL Ultimates and X Men weren't around if fake ones game him such a hard time.


Most likely 'cause Reed would wanna test 'em or somethin' along those lines. Oh yeah, an' Ult. Namor pwns.

[Horrorfan]

Most likely 'cause Reed would wanna test 'em or somethin' along those lines. Oh yeah, an' Ult. Namor pwns.

He was pretty bad ass....but I felt sorry for Reed. How humiliating for what Namor made him watch. Worse than any beating, I imagine.

[XwolverineX]

He was pretty bad ass....but I felt sorry for Reed. How humiliating for what Namor made him watch. Worse than any beating, I imagine.


Namor's a pimp. How awesome is he?

[jaydawg]

After reading and loving the Marvel Zombies mini, I FINALLY got my hands on the tpb/arc it spun off of. After finishing it, I was thinking...why on earth are The FF keeping these zombies alive? It's a disease that finished off the other world in three days....why not just kill them right away? why risk it?

Oh and Thing knocked Hulk (pretty much the zombified 616 version) TFO. That lets you know Ultimate versions could pretty much pwn most of their 616 counter parts ;)

And Namor was such a jerk. It's lucky the REAL Ultimates and X Men weren't around if fake ones game him such a hard time.
Most Ultimate characters are nothing compared to their ultimate counterparts. I didnt read that arc, so I cant comment on Ult.Thing, but the sole character I consider more powerful than their 616 counterpart is Ult. Colossus. He puts everything 616 Pete has done to shame.

[Horrorfan]

Most Ultimate characters are nothing compared to their ultimate counterparts. I didnt read that arc, so I cant comment on Ult.Thing, but the sole character I consider more powerful than their 616 counterpart is Ult. Colossus. He puts everything 616 Pete has done to shame.

Well the zombie universe, from what I can gather from what Marvel has said, was more or less the 616 universe with the odd, insignificant difference that makes no difference to the power levels of characters. And 616 Hulk usually pwns 616 Thing. But Ultimate Thing pwned zombie 616 Hulk no problem.

[Fantastic Fan22]

well, how are the UFF supposed to kill them? I mean Zombie Cap got his head sliced and didnt die, maybe containing them is the only option.

[Horrorfan]

well, how are the UFF supposed to kill them? I mean Zombie Cap got his head sliced and didnt die, maybe containing them is the only option.


Well it was explained that you have to destroy vital parts of the brain.....and the shield missed (however, later on in the series, the zombie red skull didn't ;). You have to completely annihilate the brain but they can be killed.

[XwolverineX]

Well the zombie universe, from what I can gather from what Marvel has said, was more or less the 616 universe with the odd, insignificant difference that makes no difference to the power levels of characters. And 616 Hulk usually pwns 616 Thing. But Ultimate Thing pwned zombie 616 Hulk no problem.


No, I don't think th' Zombies had anythin' at all to do with 616, really.

[GOODT!MES]

Ultimate Namor rules. If there was a collection of "golden standard" teams, like the best form of a team made from the best versions of their members from different universes, I'd put Ultimate Namor in the Illuminati. I'd also throw in 1602 Strange, Ultimate Professor X, Extremis Iron Man, 616 Mr. Fantastic from the seventies, Who is the Black Panther Black Panther, and Earth X Black Bolt(the whole Terrigen mist- unleashing thing makes him more edgy and less human.). That'd be a great team.

[Horrorfan]

No, I don't think th' Zombies had anythin' at all to do with 616, really.

I'm fairly sure Joe Q or someone at marvel said (paraphrasing) that it was 'more or less' the 616 universe but zombiefied. but I could be wrong, my memory sucks :(

[Elijya]

there were differences. Captain America was Colonel America there, Magneto still had the Acolytes and Asteroid M, Galactus and the surfer had never been to earth before, etc

if all of that is different various power levels could certainly be different as well

[Elijya]

Most Ultimate characters are nothing compared to their ultimate counterparts. I didnt read that arc, so I cant comment on Ult.Thing, but the sole character I consider more powerful than their 616 counterpart is Ult. Colossus. He puts everything 616 Pete has done to shame.
Cap certainly appears to be better. We haven't seen too much of ult. Hawkeye, but I think that fingernail trick was not something 616 Clint coulda pulled off. That's more a Bullseye kind of move

[GNR]

The zombies from the start of Mark's run are going to be involved in the last arc.

[Horrorfan]

there were differences. Captain America was Colonel America there, Magneto still had the Acolytes and Asteroid M, Galactus and the surfer had never been to earth before, etc

if all of that is different various power levels could certainly be different as well
I am absoloutly positive that someone at marvel said in most things (not all) it's more or less exactly the same....but like I said, my memory sucks ass.

[ShadowBoxing]

As a general rule 616 characters are generally stronger than the Ultimate counterparts, however their are some that break this rule

[jaydawg]

I dunno about Ult. Cap actually beating 616 Cap. I know Ult cap has the power edge (after all, he's actually superhuman in this universe), but I doubt he could actually take 616 down in a real fight.

[XwolverineX]

As a general rule 616 characters are generally stronger than the Ultimate counterparts, however their are some that break this rule


When th' Ultimate Universe grows an' ages, they'll increase in strength. :up:

[The Question]

I dunno about Ult. Cap actually beating 616 Cap. I know Ult cap has the power edge (after all, he's actually superhuman in this universe), but I doubt he could actually take 616 down in a real fight.


616 Cap is a superhuman. Just a very low level superhuman.

[XwolverineX]

616 Cap is a superhuman. Just a very low level superhuman.



Isn't he still listed as just peek human?

[The Question]

In all areas. He's peak in strength, speed, and agility all at once. That's superhuman. Plus, he has superhuman endurance. His body doesn't create fatigue poisons, so he could keep fighting for hours and not get tired from anything besides a lack of food and sleep.

[Alex Summers]

Horrorfan,
I would recommend that you stop posting. I've read most of your posts and you don't seem to really no anything, besides the lame Ultimate titles.

[GOODT!MES]

Hey, he's got double your posts. And yes, it's the quality, not the quantity, of posts, but this thread is a legitimate question.

And speaking of moron..."Ever thread you start"?:rolleyes:

[Alex Summers]

Touche!

[GOODT!MES]

No, I even reputed that...
And yes, it's the quality, not the quantity of posts...

I'm just saying...you can't just tell people not to post. He had a question, so he came here for an answer. That's why I came here under my old user name so many months ago. I wanted an answer. I haven't seen anything Horrorfan has ever posted that has made me think he's incapable of a coherent post.

To a further extent, just because he seems to enjoy the Ultimate titles doesn't make them lame. that, sir, is your opinion. I love the Ultimate books, and I started off my comic reading with 616. i like them both for different reasons. My other opinions are that Fables sucks, Ex Machina and Hellboy are very well written, and Battle Hymn and Invincible are lacking a spark that most comics have. That's my opinion. I'm not going to denounce someone's reputability on various topics based solely on their enjoyment of a book I dont' care for. Elijya is a big fan of Invincible, but I still trust his judgement on anything.

Horrorfan may not know much else besides the Ultimate line, but he may only have the money to buy the Ultimate books. Maybe he just prefers them. My point is that he came here for an answer to a question and you've told him to effectively cease and desist simply because he knows more about the Ultimat books than 616. At least, that's what your last post suggests.

By the way- this is an Ultimate book based thread. His knowledge of "nothing, besides the lame Ultimate titles" shouldn't even matter if he's asking a question in an Ultimate thread.

[Alex Summers]

Yeah, I just realized you refuted that. I'm not thinking clearly this morning and my posts obviously show that. (rough night, too much tequila)


I apologize to Horrorfan if I came across as a jerk.

[GOODT!MES]

rough night, too much tequila.
Hey, been there.

Sorry for jumping on your case, too, but I hate it when people insulted.
Even though you didn't mean it.

[Alex Summers]

I just realized that I told him to stop posting because I thought he sounded stupid. If one would go through my old posts I'm sure they would find just as much stupidity, or more.

[Colossal Spoons]

Namor's a pimp. How awesome is he?

I see nothing awesome about meddling in their marriage but hey, that's just me.

[GOODT!MES]

It's not quite a marriage yet, so he's like a superhuman version of that muscular guy at the beach who steals your girlfriend.

[XwolverineX]

Horrorfan,
I would recommend that you stop posting. I've read most of your posts and you don't seem to really no anything, besides the lame Ultimate titles.


Ya don't know anythin', you idiot. Who cares if he's not up to date with 616 comics? That doesn't mean ya can tell him to stop postin'. Yer just being a douche, an' no one wants you here. A n00b who thinks he's all-powerful. An' Ultimate comics are not lame, most of 'em are better then their 616 counterparts, you ignorant turd.

[XwolverineX]

I see nothing awesome about meddling in their marriage but hey, that's just me.


It's awesome that he uses his power to get lovin'.

[Horrorfan]

Thanks wolvie and Goodtimes for sticking up for me. Alex, no problem, you're human. Im sure I have come off as a jerk to other people too, so no worries.

The thing is, in 616, I just don't find most of the characters THAT interesting (aside from the X Men and the odd exception like Punisher or Hulk). And I don't want to have to buy years of back issues (not that I would have the money even if I did have the inclination) just to understand why Cap is beefing with Thor or whatever is happening right now.

Ultimate is pick up and read. It's more relevant to today's society, and in particular with the Ultimates, I dig the political shinanigans Millar seems to pack in. It's the ultimate cinematic blockbuster with plenty of brains to go round. Ditto X Men (even though his characters there can be occassionally shallow, ie Magneto as a one dimensional bad guy...who is redeemed by the fact he is bad ass).

I like knowing I can pick up the trades with little to no knowledge needed of past arcs. I haven't read Ultimate x men in a while but when I do dip into it, it fills me up to date without ever burying me in continuity, and it's just fun to read. No laboured cross overs, no multi universe spanning events that goes on in a million comics, just one trade needed to read and enjoy.

The Ultimates line got me back into comics when x men launched, and for that alone, I give it props, to use the word the kids are using these days.


Also Sue and Reed are just dating at the moment in FF....and it wasn't that we think he's great for doing what he did, but it was pretty cool in a'omg what a sadistic son of a *****' kinda way. It's a memorable moment which will probably be talked about still for a long time yet.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's not quite a marriage yet, so he's like a superhuman version of that muscular guy at the beach who steals your girlfriend.

Well I'm the muscular guy who doesn't get his girlfriend stolen.

It's awesome that he uses his power to get lovin'.

Wait till you get a girlfriend.

[Horrorfan]

Wait till you get a girlfriend.


Dude wolvie is a P.I.M.P. That's HOW he gets girlfriends.

But seriously no one is like advocating that in real life man lol chill.

[XwolverineX]

Dude wolvie is a P.I.M.P. That's HOW he gets girlfriends.

But seriously no one is like advocating that in real life man lol chill.


How's ya know!? :eek:

[Colossal Spoons]

But seriously no one is like advocating that in real life man lol chill.

I'm very much chillin. Things that I don't agree with in real life don't tend to amuse me between the pages of comics.

[Genis-vell]

Would someone be so kind as to fill me in on what Namor did that was so 'pimpin'?

[Colossal Spoons]

What he always does, regardless of the universe: throw a monkey wrench into Sue and Reed's marriage/relationship. It was even worse in the Ultimate universe cuz Ultimate Reed is 10x more passive and timid than his 616 counterpart and practically let Namor take Sue out on a "date".

that =/= pimpin

[Elijya]

I'm very much chillin. Things that I don't agree with in real life don't tend to amuse me between the pages of comics.Seems rather close-moinded, CS. After all, most comics are escapist fantasies. The very point of them is to enjoy things which aren't possible in real life, or things which can and do happen in real life, but you don't have to worry about the consequences because it's fiction. I don't agree with murder, but I can certainly enjoy a Punisher comic. And besides, as was pointed out, Ult. Sue and Reed aren't married, and they're BARELY involved. I'm not sure it's even been established that they're even dating. Namor got in the way, but it's what's called a lvoe triangle, an extremely common story device. In fact, I have a hard time thinking of many stories WITHOUT love-triangles. The Reed-Sue-Namor love triangle goes back over four decades as well.

[Colossal Spoons]

The Ultimate Reed/Sue/Namor love triangle is more believable and tolerable because; as you said, Reed and Sue are barely involved. I still felt bad for Reed having to sit there and watch his "girl" go out with Namor. The 616 Reed/Sue/Namor thing is different, since they're married.

I have to thank you though, you've made me think. I'm a pretty non-violence kinda guy but I like to see my boy Colossus whoop arse every now and then. I'm just not sure where I place infidelity. That would be like me condoning racism within the pages of a comic too.

[GOODT!MES]

We're joking around. Hence, calling him a pimp when he doesn't actually run a brothel. We don't really condone it, its just fun and funny to say stuff like that.

And hey, I'm not saying you get your girlfriend stolen, i'm just using "you" in general. Like "one". If "one" were to do something. And also, I'm pretty sure most people here have girlfriends. Or boyfriends. I don't judge.

[Elijya]

The Ultimate Reed/Sue/Namor love triangle is more believable and tolerable because; as you said, Reed and Sue are barely involved. I still felt bad for Reed having to sit there and watch his "girl" go out with Namor. The 616 Reed/Sue/Namor thing is different, since they're married.

I have to thank you though, you've made me think. I'm a pretty non-violence kinda guy but I like to see my boy Colossus whoop arse every now and then. I'm just not sure where I place infidelity. That would be like me condoning racism within the pages of a comic too.
Just remember, it's entertainment. Namor doesn't try to seduce Sue because the writer is trying to condone infidelity, he writes it because it's good dramatic storytelling

[XwolverineX]

What he always does, regardless of the universe: throw a monkey wrench into Sue and Reed's marriage/relationship. It was even worse in the Ultimate universe cuz Ultimate Reed is 10x more passive and timid than his 616 counterpart and practically let Namor take Sue out on a "date".

that =/= pimpin


Which also = awesomness. :confused::up:

[Colossal Spoons]

We're joking around. Hence, calling him a pimp when he doesn't actually run a brothel. We don't really condone it, its just fun and funny to say stuff like that.

And hey, I'm not saying you get your girlfriend stolen, i'm just using "you" in general. Like "one". If "one" were to do something. And also, I'm pretty sure most people here have girlfriends. Or boyfriends. I don't judge.

I didn't take it personally at all :) It's just that my initial reaction was sympathy as opposed to "humor".

Just remember, it's entertainment. Namor doesn't try to seduce Sue because the writer is trying to condone infidelity, he writes it because it's good dramatic storytelling

Oh totally. She Lies With Angels is one of my fav X-stories and it's about racism and prejudice. I'm talking about the reaction it got from "us". Us being the readers. I didn't read the love triangle arc and go "that's awesome, Namor's a pimp.' I went "Damn, Namor's a jerk, poor Reed.' Loved the arc nonetheless.