does marvel have any other characters similar to dc's character's

[GoldenAgeHero]

is there a marvel vesion of shazam, or dr.light. i dont need mainstream heroes, i already know who theyre similar to.

[deemar325]

Quasar = Green Lantern
Moonknight = Batman
Dr.Midnite = DareDevil
RocketRed = Crimson Dynamo
Solomon Grundy = Hulk
Deathstroke = Early Deadpool/Task Master
Whizzer = Flash
Sentry/Hyperion = Superman
Bork = Thing


and on and on and on...

[Silver Sable]

Taskmaster looks a little bit like Dr.Destiny in my opinion

[Manic]

Don't forget
Hawkeye = Green Arrow
Siryn/Banshee = Black Canary (although that's a bit of a stretch. Speaking of which...)
Mr. Fantastic = Plastic Man/Elongated Man
Human Torch = Fire
Quasar/Invisible Woman = Green Lantern

[Kotagg]

Jesus CHRIST, look at those DC names! Look at how god damn cheesy they are compared to the Marvel ones. I'm reminded why I avoid DC like the Plague.

[BrianWilly]

'Cause a guy swinging around New York City dressed in skintight red lycra is just the height of sobriety, is that right:rolleyes:?

No one wins in the Comic Book Cheesefest; superheroes are by nature cheesy and you're fooling yourself if you think one grown man in spandex is all of a sudden less laughable than another grown man in spandex.

[Guyverjay]

Hmmm I don't see how thinking names are cheesey suddenly equates to their costumes being cheesey:confused:

Ps spider-man has arguably the best costume in comics bar none, hence why it looks so good on the big screen:o

[Kable24]

I agree, I always thought DC characters had cheesy names compared to Marvel, but DC had some of the better artists in the 70's and 80's. I also didn't care for made up cities in the DC Universe.

[BrianWilly]

Oh come on, let's be honest here; Spider-Man's costume is utterly ridiculous by real world standards. Almost any superhero costumes, by and large, is going to look ridiculous if you wear it on the street. That is the rule, not the exception.
Spider-Man looks good in a comic book movie in the same way that he looks good in a comic book: in the comic book world, that's what a superhero wears. The element of fantasy and iconism comes into play. Not to mention it was a million dollar piece of costuming designed by the best and most talented of Hollywood marketting, trying their utmost to make it not look silly. Take all that away, and what do we end up with? A grown man wearing skintight bright red lycra in broad daylight.

http://www.japanhero.com/Graphics/Tokusatsu/spiderman/review/review-1.jpg

If we're talking about names instead of fashion sense, then let's look at names. Mr. Fantastic. Dr. Doom. Marvel Girl. Multiple Man. Strong Guy. Baron Zemo. Ms. Marvel. Purple Man. Dr. Octopus. Dr. Strange. Ant-Man. Giant-Man. Absorbing Man. Heck, even Magneto. Like I said, if we play the cheese game then no one wins.

Either way it has nothing at all to do with the quality of the characters, and it's most definitely a ridiculous reason to "avoid DC like the plague." It's like Star Wars fans laughing at Star Trek technology, as if having hyperspace was all of a sudden cooler and less cheesy than having the Borg. Now that's silly.

[Super_Ludacris]

Hawkeye and Green Arrow I would have thought

[Guyverjay]

Oh come on, let's be honest here; Spider-Man's costume is utterly ridiculous by real world standards.

I disagree its a cool costume, especially the black one. Its just a full body suit with a pattern on it. He's not wearing PANTS on the outside of his trousers:o

Almost any superhero costumes, by and large, is going to look ridiculous if you wear it on the street. That is the rule, not the exception.

Thats because you're not a super hero , you're just some guy dressed like one. Hell wearing a Tuxedo down the shops will make you look ridiculous, doesn't mean a tuxedo is a cheesey bit of attire

Spider-Man looks good in a comic book movie in the same way that he looks good in a comic book: in the comic book world, that's what a superhero wears. The element of fantasy and iconism comes into play. Not to mention it was a million dollar piece of costuming designed by the best and most talented of Hollywood marketting, trying their utmost to make it not look silly. Take all that away, and what do we end up with? A grown man wearing skintight bright red lycra in broad daylight.

Irrelevent, the movie costume looks good, I don't care if it made of diamond dust and cost 5 billion dollars.. Its look and DESIGN is all I'm talking about


http://www.japanhero.com/Graphics/Tokusatsu/spiderman/review/review-1.jpg

If we're talking about names instead of fashion sense, then let's look at names. Mr. Fantastic. Dr. Doom. Marvel Girl. Multiple Man. Baron Zemo. Ms. Marvel. Purple Man. Dr. Octopus. Dr. Strange. Ant-Man. Giant-Man. Absorbing Man. Heck, even Magneto. Like I said, if we play the cheese game then no one wins.

Who care who wins and loses I merely pointed out that him thinking "elongated man" is a cheesey name has NOTHING to do with his or anyone elses costume. You just brought THAT out of nowhere.

Either way it has nothing at all to do with the quality of the characters, and it's most definitely a ridiculous reason to "avoid DC like the plague." It's like Star Wars fans laughing at Star Trek technology, as if having hyperspace was all of a sudden cooler and less cheesy than having the Borg. Now that's silly.

Yes it's ridiclous reason but who the **** cares? Virtually everyone around here finds some lame reason to dis dragonball but I still enjoy it regardless.

[BrianWilly]

Wow, speaking of bringing things out of nowhere...

The point isn't that he thought Elongated Man was a cheesy name, the point is that he thinks Elongated Man being a cheesy name somehow makes Marvel better than DC. Which is ridiculous, so I said so. What else are we supposed to do on a message board? Nod politely and move on?

[Guyverjay]

EDIT:

You know what?

Balls to this, I'm wasting far too much time on such a pointless topic

[kit1982]

Jesus CHRIST, look at those DC names! Look at how god damn cheesy they are compared to the Marvel ones. I'm reminded why I avoid DC like the Plague.

heh? Elongated man or whatever I'll give you but come on Whizzer isn't a crappy name, whilst the Flash is cheesey?

[Elijya]

Jesus CHRIST, look at those DC names! Look at how god damn cheesy they are compared to the Marvel ones. I'm reminded why I avoid DC like the Plague.
You've gotta be kidding me. You do realize "Captain America" sounds just as cheesy and stupid to the non reading public as does "Superman", right?

[The Question]

I do agree that some aspects of comics are rather cheesy. But is that a bad thing? I loves me some cheese from time to time.

[Elijya]

No, I'd say there's inherent cheesy elements to superhero comics and other escapist fantasies. Even books like Watchman and Miracleman, despite their depth, a discerning "mature" adult would still look at them and see silly people in silly costumes

Comics, in general, are not inherently cheesy, not when you look at books like Road to Perdition, 100 Bullets, etc.

[The Question]

I know. That's why I said "some aspects". I wouldn't consider Road to Perdition cheesey. Hell, I wouldn't even consider some super hero comics cheesey. There are, however, some cheesey aspects to comics. But there's nothing wrong with that when they're not taken to extremes.

[STR1]

Quasar = Green Lantern
Moonknight = Batman
Dr.Midnite = DareDevil
RocketRed = Crimson Dynamo
Solomon Grundy = Hulk
Deathstroke = Early Deadpool/Task Master
Whizzer = Flash
Sentry/Hyperion = Superman
Bork = Thing


and on and on and on...

But which character was created first? "Copying" characters and ideas is common on DC and Marvel. DC comes up with Darkseid, Marvel counterstrikes with a much better improved Thanos. And viceversa, Marvel comes up with a character and DC improves it by far. Its only a matter of who does the character better.

[Elijya]

I'm not sure quite how much Thanos had in common with Darkseid to begin with. Those characters may have been createdx seperately, and thier natures evolved to be more similar later

[The Question]

Well, they started out rather similarly, but Thanos later became his own character by becoming a nihilist obsessed with death.

[Anubis]

The entire Shi 'ar Imperiel Guard is basically the Legion of Superheros.

[roach]

Marvel also owns Prime and I'd think he'd be the closest Shazam analogue

[Varient]

is there a marvel vesion of shazam, or dr.light. i dont need mainstream heroes, i already know who theyre similar to.
(raised eyebrow)

Hmmmn
Screaming Mimi,... used to be the Black Canary of Marvel.
You need to draw a line,... define Mainstream and give a list,... otherwise people will name all the ones you know.

[Nightwing]

Dr. Fate and Dr. Strange.

[THANOSRULES]

I love this debate...

First off everyone underscores the depth of the forces in all of this..

Everyone thinks , Ok which Marvel/DC characters are rip offs of each other...

when really you have to go WAAAY back and you discover most of these characters are rip offs..or amalgams of rip offs..of very old characters , some based on early comic book characters , some based of literey heros..

Factor in

such legends as ..


Robin hood
King Arthur
Morgan Le fay
Sherlock Holmes
Alan Quartermain
Zorro


or archetypes like

Uncle Sam, Joan of Arc


Mythology also factors in a BIG way

Hermes,Zeus, etc..

even christian legends like Samson, Goliath , etc..

all these add to the big picture.

So i dont get to bent out of shape when someone says Hawkeye is a Rip of Green Arrow...they are both based off of Robin Hood imagery..

maybe some future term paper ideas there for you college kids.

[deemar325]

DC is pretty cheesy overall, although Marvel has it's own cheese also.

I'd say Marvel characters on the whole would fit into the real world better than DC characters.

[twylight]

Moonknight = Batman
Dr.Midnite = DareDevil
RocketRed = Crimson Dynamo
Solomon Grundy = Hulk
Deathstroke = Early Deadpool/Task Master
Whizzer = Flash
Sentry/Hyperion = Superman
Bork = Thing


and on and on and on...

But which character was created first? "Copying" characters and ideas is common on DC and Marvel. DC comes up with Darkseid, Marvel counterstrikes with a much better improved Thanos. And viceversa, Marvel comes up with a character and DC improves it by far. Its only a matter of who does the character better.

Moon Knight (1975) - Batman (1938)

DareDevil (1964)- Dr. Midnite I (1941) Dr. Midnite II (1985) Dr. Midnite (1999)

CRIMSON DYNAMO (1964)- Rocket Red (1987)

Hulk (1962) - Solomon Grundy (1944)


Whizzer[Frank] (Historical-1941) (Modern Day – 1974); Whizzer [Stewart] (1970) – The Flash [Jay Garrick] (1940)


Etc..etc…

I’m to lazy to do them all…BUT to correct this one right here….

Siryn/Banshee = Black Canary (although that's a bit of a stretch.)
It is indeed. :) Especially since you failed to tell us if you meant the first or second Black Canary.

Siryn's powers appeared in 1981, Black Canary II's powers first appeared in..
1983 actually.
Justice League of America #219-220, that event is Pre-Crisis and no longer applicable.

However, the FIRST Black Canary (First appearance 1947) was indeed powerless and a great detective as well as versed in various Martial Art skills, so more than likely, Mockingbird was a rip-off of Black Canary I and Black Canary II (Revealed in JLA # 219-220) was a rip-off of Siryn.



(All of these Black Canary's I & II are Pre-Crisis so it's all null and void unless looked at from a 'year/make' perspective)

Which incidently was when they found out she was BC II

[Elijya]

I love this debate...

First off everyone underscores the depth of the forces in all of this..

Everyone thinks , Ok which Marvel/DC characters are rip offs of each other...

when really you have to go WAAAY back and you discover most of these characters are rip offs..or amalgams of rip offs..of very old characters , some based on early comic book characters , some based of literey heros..

Factor in

such legends as ..


Robin hood
King Arthur
Morgan Le fay
Sherlock Holmes
Alan Quartermain
Zorro


or archetypes like

Uncle Sam, Joan of Arc


Mythology also factors in a BIG way

Hermes,Zeus, etc..

even christian legends like Samson, Goliath , etc..

all these add to the big picture.

So i dont get to bent out of shape when someone says Hawkeye is a Rip of Green Arrow...they are both based off of Robin Hood imagery..

maybe some future term paper ideas there for you college kids.
I've mentioned these things plenty of times (especially the Superman/Gladiator connection) , particularly whenever some idjit makes the accusation that "all superheroes are rip-offs of Superman, since he was the first"

[Assassin]

Jesus CHRIST, look at those DC names! Look at how god damn cheesy they are compared to the Marvel ones. I'm reminded why I avoid DC like the Plague.

Haha some one's High!


and Thanos looks like he walked out of a new gods comic..

[Speedball]

I always found Nova closer the Green Lantern than Quasar.
Connections:
Nova and Hal are members of a larger organization of beings with the same powers, but are better than the rest.
both organizations eventually are destroyed.

Quicksilver and the Flash are almost the same, but Quicksilver is more interesting now.

Antman and the Atom

Superman and Sentry

Elektra and Huntress

Winter Soldier(Bucky) and Nightwing

Avengers and JLA

Spider-man and the new Blue Beetle

Red skull and Black Mask.

[Assassin]

as you can see most of them, the dc ones came first

[Manic]

DC created quite a few of its more popular characters during the Golden Age (circa WWII), while Marvel didn't really create a bulk of its popular characters until the Silver Age (mostly the 1960s). It's not very often that Marvel beats DC to the punch with a popular-yet-similar superhero (ie. Sub-Mariner has 2 years on Aquaman).

[Mr. Green]

For the record, DC's Solomon Grundy was a rip off of the nursery rhyme Solomon Grundy.

Hulk is really completely different and more like a nuclear version of Frankenstien meets Jeckyl and Hyde.

And DC is WAY cheesier (all around) than Marvel. I read Infinite Crisis and I thought it was hillarious seeing the huge number of cheesy heroes gathering to fight SuperBoy.

[Elijya]

I always found Nova closer the Green Lantern than Quasar.
Connections:
Nova and Hal are members of a larger organization of beings with the same powers, but are better than the rest.

Plus Nova's origin is a 100% rip-off

Quicksilver and the Flash are almost the same, but Quicksilver is more interesting now.
mmm, they both run fast, but that's where the simularities end. Quicksilver only ever ran a few hundred mph, whereas Flash breaks laws of physics to do psycho stuiff with his powers. They're COMPLETELY different characters in almost all other regards.
Superman and Sentry
Superman and Hyperion have more in common, since Hyperion is meant to be a direct Superman analogue. Sentry is just one of dozens of characters with Superman's set of powers, but are totally different characters otherwise. Apollo, Prime, Gladiator, Majestic, etc.

Elektra and Huntress

Not really seeing that one. You can certainly draw some comparisons, but not many

Winter Soldier(Bucky) and Nightwing

By nightwing are you talking Jason Todd? cause that might make sense, but Dick Gayson? when they were younger, sure, but not now.

Avengers and JLA

In concept yes, in execution, no

Spider-man and the new Blue Beetle

eh, that only works insofar as Spider-Man is the classic solo teenager superhero and all others simply follow him

[Elijya]

For the record, DC's Solomon Grundy was a rip off of the nursery rhyme Solomon Grundy.

Hulk is really completely different and more like a nuclear version of Frankenstien meets Jeckyl and Hyde.

And DC is WAY cheesier (all around) than Marvel. I read Infinite Crisis and I thought it was hillarious seeing the huge number of cheesy heroes gathering to fight SuperBoy.
Dude? Whether you dress up like Superman or you dress up like Spider-Man, go out in public and you will be laughed at either way

[twylight]

Well, DC can be 'cheesier' because they've kept heroes and villains from their Golden Years, which back then Heroes all the way around were cheesy.

DC has a sense of history to their characters. Marvel in the 60's scrapped almost all the 'cheesy' ones and came up with better things.

I for one like the 'cheesy' DC Characters, just because they have so much more history to them You can trace them back to a time when heroes were something to aspire to in a war were were all pulling together to fight.

Marvels characters come out of an era who'd lost a useless war and were beginning to become engulfed in another fruitless one. The Heroes then were more for the people, the induvidual rather than the whole.

In a way I respect DC more for that. I know plenty of people my grandparents ages who can tell you about getting Super-Man comics, or Captain Marvel comics, yet when you mention Spider-Man they have no knowledge of him and to them he's cheesy. (I know I've had these conversations before) It's all in perspective and it's all to taste, so calling DC 'cheesier' is like the pot calling the kettle black.

[Kotagg]

I'll renege Elijya, but only to a certain extent. While both universes have their share of cheese, DC has just so much more. I mean, I encountered DC first, as a young cat, when I started reading comics. I went away from it to Marvel, seeing characters that were just a little deeper in development. I'm talking names AND actual character, there. Many of the characters were outside of the typical archetypes. They escaped the basic Campbellian formula, whereas I never have seen DC characters do so. I link this back to the names simply because a lack of creativity in name, from what I've seen, is directly correlative to a lack of character depth.

Either way it has nothing at all to do with the quality of the characters, and it's most definitely a ridiculous reason to "avoid DC like the plague." It's like Star Wars fans laughing at Star Trek technology, as if having hyperspace was all of a sudden cooler and less cheesy than having the Borg. Now that's silly.

I don't know. Hyperspace is a legitimate physics theory, whereas things in Star Trek, such as Warp Speed, are simply impossible in fact. The Borg I don't know about, but I think you get my drift.

God is in the details. :D

[3dman27]

dc's karate kid created in the 60'a and marvels iron fist inthe 70's

[Elijya]

I don't know. Hyperspace is a legitimate physics theory, whereas things in Star Trek, such as Warp Speed, are simply impossible in fact. The Borg I don't know about, but I think you get my drift.

God is in the details. :D

I'd always heard that the Star Trek series had real scientists consulting with the writers and much of the science fiction presented in the show was based on existing scientific theory. Like the episode with the Devron Sphere, where they come across a solar system where an ancient civilization built a gigantic structure enclosing their sun in order to harness 100% of its power. That feat would be virtually impossible to actually accomplish, but it is a valid and existing theory.

I'll renege Elijya, but only to a certain extent. While both universes have their share of cheese, DC has just so much more. I mean, I encountered DC first, as a young cat, when I started reading comics. I went away from it to Marvel, seeing characters that were just a little deeper in development. I'm talking names AND actual character, there. Many of the characters were outside of the typical archetypes. They escaped the basic Campbellian formula, whereas I never have seen DC characters do so. I link this back to the names simply because a lack of creativity in name, from what I've seen, is directly correlative to a lack of character depth.

I won't deny that DC does contain more cheese than MArvel does, or at least used to - one only needs to look at comics produced in the 1960s to discern that - But ever since Crisis, DC has grown up alot. It's certainly no reason to avoid the whole company, though. Marvel has 10 times more cheese than Wildstorm, and 100 Times more cheese then Paradox Press or Vertigo. Why not avoid Marvel like the plague and just read books from those companies?

I think if you picked up Green Arrow - try The Archer's Quest, or The Longboiw Hunters - you might be pleasently surprised

[UK_Stu]

Some of the DC characters may have cheesy names, but these are generally the older characters, created in the Golden Age prior to Marvel comics. These were characters aimed at a younger audience that dealt with more simplistic storylines. The fact these characters with 'cheesy' names are still around gives you idea of the legacy of these characters. But certainly more modern DC characters are as 'cheesily' named.

It seems pretty lame choosing not to read DC comics because of some of the names. Besides Marvel has cheesy characters too

[Varient]

EDIT:

You know what?

Balls to this, I'm wasting far too much time on such a pointless topic
LOL

And HOW MANY POSTS do u see from me in this case?

Some things are not worth arguing w/o amped info.

His question is too vague for me and a better one would be which heroes DON'T have an equiv in the other comic company?

[LobokDaikon]

Dude? Whether you dress up like Superman or you dress up like Spider-Man, go out in public and you will be laughed at either way

But I think what he's saying is that you have the guy in the Superman costume stop an asteroid from obliterating a city and suddenly people don't think the costume is as lame anymore. Just like you might laugh at what Green Goblin wears until he throws a pumpkin bomb into a crowd of people.

[Silver Sable]

Mysterio and Scarecrow both create illusions

[Mr. Green]

...so calling DC 'cheesier' is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Nope. It's like the pot calling the kettle blacker.

[twylight]

Nope. It's like the pot calling the kettle blacker.


I seriously don't see how this cheese of no cheese factor is an issue.

As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread:

The very premise of comic books are cheesy.

People with special powers? Mutants? Aliens?

To point out a few:

:supes: :spidey: :thing: :daredevil :wolverine :batman: :hulk:

So why even bother about company bashing? Or archetypes and formulas?

Comic Books were created for children and had simplistic meaning. The children grew up and demanded more depth, deeper meaning. Now they are saying that the very heroes they adored as children are 'cheesy'.


Bottome line, comicbooks are cheesy, it doens't matter what company they are from. Deal with it and get over it. This is a useless matter, get over it.


Now can we please get back on topic?

[RockSP]

Well, they started out rather similarly, but Thanos later became his own character by becoming a nihilist obsessed with death.

Isn't Darkseid obsessed with the anti-life equation?

[ShadowBoxing]

You've gotta be kidding me. You do realize "Captain America" sounds just as cheesy and stupid to the non reading public as does "Superman", right?Most people would use names like that sarcastically in the real world.

[Elijya]

I seriously don't see how this cheese of no cheese factor is an issue.

As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread:

The very premise of comic books are cheesy.

People with special powers? Mutants? Aliens?

To point out a few:

:supes: :spidey: :thing: :daredevil :wolverine:

So why even bother about company bashing? Or archetypes and formulas?
As I pointed out earlier, you're mixing medium with genre. Comics with fantasy elements are the predominent genre, but the medium of comics has also given us works like Maus, Road to Perdition, Lone Wolf and Cub, Strangers in Paradise, etc.. COMICS are not inherently cheesy, it's superheroes or other fantasy genres like Science-Fiction and Horror and what not that are inherently cheesy.


Comic Books were created for children and had simplistic meaning.
No they weren't. Read Understanding Comics, it'll broaden your horizons ;)


Bottome line, comicbooks are cheesy, it doens't matter what company they are from. Deal with it and get over it. This is a useless matter, get over it.You do realize we're on an internet message board? EVERYTHING we discuss is a useless matter. Come on, twy ;)

besides, it's an interesting discussion. The topic of "who=who in Marvel and DC?" has been done plenty of times before, nothing wrong with going on a tangent

[Assassin]

I'll renege Elijya, but only to a certain extent. While both universes have their share of cheese, DC has just so much more. I mean, I encountered DC first, as a young cat, when I started reading comics. I went away from it to Marvel, seeing characters that were just a little deeper in development. I'm talking names AND actual character, there. Many of the characters were outside of the typical archetypes. They escaped the basic Campbellian formula, whereas I never have seen DC characters do so. I link this back to the names simply because a lack of creativity in name, from what I've seen, is directly correlative to a lack of character depth.



I don't know. Hyperspace is a legitimate physics theory, whereas things in Star Trek, such as Warp Speed, are simply impossible in fact. The Borg I don't know about, but I think you get my drift.

God is in the details. :D

I'm the oposite, i always liked batman and superman but the only comics i read were xmen and spiderman...then i grew up.

about 10 years later i walk into a gamestop, i see this action figure that says "kingdom come superman" on it, i loved the grey hair and the darker colors, so i went home and i looked it up, a week later i bought the TPB and discoverd that comics arnt just for kids..and 2 years later here i am

[Speedball]

Kingdom Come is one of the best Comics of All time in my book.
Alex Ross can kick any and every artist ass.

[Elijya]

In fine detail, maybe, but not as a graphical storyteller

[Assassin]

shut up or i'll knock you back to the days where you were just an ordinary poster :D :p

[twylight]

As I pointed out earlier, you're mixing medium with genre. Comics with fantasy elements are the predominent genre, but the medium of comics has also given us works like Maus, Road to Perdition, Lone Wolf and Cub, Strangers in Paradise, etc.. COMICS are not inherently cheesy, it's superheroes or other fantasy genres like Science-Fiction and Horror and what not that are inherently cheesy.

I didn't know the genre was part of the discussion, I just naturally assumed that that we were talking Super-Hero Comics. Since this was started as a Super-Hero thread. :)




No they weren't. Read Understanding Comics, it'll broaden your horizons ;)

Perhaps not, but you have to admit, that the accepted target audience was children. I'll try to pick it up. Thank you for the reference. :)


You do realize we're on an internet message board? EVERYTHING we discuss is a useless matter. Come on, twy ;)

besides, it's an interesting discussion. The topic of "who=who in Marvel and DC?" has been done plenty of times before, nothing wrong with going on a tangent

Nope, nothing wrong at all, however it is off topic, and since that has been looked down upon by certain Mods, I figured we might at least put on the pretense of trying to do it.

Also I think ya'll are over analyzing it. It you want to get reference books and dig into the deeper meaning of comics I think it's admirable, however ya'll kinda hijacked this poor guys thread. ;)

[The Batman]

obviously to people without a strong bias, DC and marvel are both cheesy. You're telling me names like "The Thing" "Marvel Girl" "Mr.Fantastic" "Whizzer" and "Captain America" arent cheesy?

Its best not to combat these biased types. Sometimes, you just cant fight ignorance....

[GoldenAgeHero]

captain america is not cheesy. and how come you didnt mention batman, thats a cheesy name too, and so is superman. the hell with it all superheroes names are cheesy.

[Kotagg]

Ignorance and Bias are not necessarily one and the same, "The Batman." A logical adult can attempt to work through bias, as I've done in earlier posts.

[Dwarf lord]

No they weren't. Read Understanding Comics, it'll broaden your horizons ;)

If I remember correctly, they were created as wartime propaganda. Right, Eli?

[3dman27]

captain america was

[Elijya]

If I remember correctly, they were created as wartime propaganda. Right, Eli?
comics? uh...

It depends how broad your definition gets, because we've found ancient egyptian carvings that document daily life for them, and it's in comic format. A few artists from the 1700s also experiemtned with the style. The first cartoons were political ones in the 1800s, it it was only a small leap for them to become multi-paneled to tell a larger story, and at this point, the target was adults. Children wouldn't have understood comic strips filled with the political humor at the time.

[Phoney Bone]

Ignorance and Bias are not necessarily one and the same, "The Batman." A logical adult can attempt to work through bias, as I've done in earlier posts.
You've done nothing of that sort.

[Infinity9999x]

If I remember correctly, they were created as wartime propaganda. Right, Eli?

Actually no. Comic books were being printed in the late 1800s to early 1900s. These were just collections of newspaper funnies, but they still are catogorized as comic books. Companies were producing comic books for a good thirty to forty years before WWII, it just wasn't until very close to WWII that some of the popular superheros were introduced (Superman, Batman, Captain Marvel). They were around before America entered the war, but once we did, comics really took off because comics were sent to the soliders, and then they basically did become wartime propoganda.

It's a common misconseption though, because basically WWII spawned the golden age of comics.

[Leto Atrides]

As for the whole cheese thing, I prefer DC for it. It seems like Marvel tries not to be cheesy, and fails at it. I prefer DC's completely brazen attitude about it. If your going to be cheesy, do it with panache.

[Speedball]

^that's why i like DC more

[The Batman]

captain america is not cheesy. and how come you didnt mention batman, thats a cheesy name too, and so is superman. the hell with it all superheroes names are cheesy.


Uh, yeah, welcome to 10 posts ago. Thats exactly what I'm and other posters are trying to say....

[The Batman]

Ignorance and Bias are not necessarily one and the same, "The Batman." A logical adult can attempt to work through bias, as I've done in earlier posts.

You're right....you're ignorant AND Biased. I havent seen you work through anything.

[3dman27]

captain america was
and so was the archie comics superhero the shield
i'm referring to superheroes as wartime propaganda

[Themanofbat]

Well, as long as we're thinking outside the box...

Man-Thing & Swamp Thing

Man-Thing appeared first in Savage Tales #1 in May, 1971.
Swamp Thing first appeared in House of Secrets #92 in June, 1971.

Man-Thing wins... :D :up:

:)

[marcofthebeast]

Swamp thing is cooler....

How can some one say Marvel isn't as cheesy as DC. Marvel has som of the most ricockulous looking villians. Baron Zemo, Loki, Baron Blood, The Leader, Green Goblin and HobGoblin. Now I not saying that all those characters are bad. I think to not like a character (or company) Because the are cheesy is dumb. Some really "cheesy" Characters are really cool. I think a lot of people are basing there opinions on looks and names rather than story and characterization. Wether they like to admit it or not.

[CaptainStacy]

Moon Knight (1975) - Batman (1938)

DareDevil (1964)- Dr. Midnite I (1941) Dr. Midnite II (1985) Dr. Midnite (1999)

CRIMSON DYNAMO (1964)- Rocket Red (1987)

Hulk (1962) - Solomon Grundy (1944)


Whizzer[Frank] (Historical-1941) (Modern Day – 1974); Whizzer [Stewart] (1970) – The Flash [Jay Garrick] (1940)


Etc..etc…

I’m to lazy to do them all…BUT to correct this one right here….


It is indeed. :) Especially since you failed to tell us if you meant the first or second Black Canary.

Siryn's powers appeared in 1981, Black Canary II's powers first appeared in..
1983 actually.
Justice League of America #219-220, that event is Pre-Crisis and no longer applicable.

However, the FIRST Black Canary (First appearance 1947) was indeed powerless and a great detective as well as versed in various Martial Art skills, so more than likely, Mockingbird was a rip-off of Black Canary I and Black Canary II (Revealed in JLA # 219-220) was a rip-off of Siryn.



(All of these Black Canary's I & II are Pre-Crisis so it's all null and void unless looked at from a 'year/make' perspective)

Which incidently was when they found out she was BC II

Actually, the Squadron Supreme's Lady Lark is Marvel's version of Black Canary.