Why can't Jor-El be seen on screen? [Archive]

Kane

04-17-2006, 02:10 PM

Nevermind. I found it. It was some article from 2005 saying how they wanted to use Jorel onscreen played by an actor but the studio has strict guidelines about that stuff. They said they want to use him next season too so we'll see.

Then again, new rumors are saying that 'Jor-el' and 'Zod' wont appear in their correct bodies in the season finale/premiere.... so maybe theyre working around the studio's restraints.

JackMercy

04-17-2006, 02:13 PM

I dont know how legit this is, so I'm checking here. I heard from someone that G+M werent given permission to show Jor-El, Lara, Krypton etc on screen at all despite the writers wanting to?

Is this true? And if so, whos the one who makes the decisions of what is acceptable to use and what isnt?

...Sticky question...

I would read the story about the construction of the FOS in the Smallville mag from earlier this year/last year (can someone give the specific issue number? --don't have it in front of me). That should give you a pretty good indication of the relationship between features and television... however blurry it may be...

[not that it always operates that way for every element of the show, but just think logically about events past and forthcoming...]

:cool:

Kane

04-17-2006, 02:17 PM

I dont think it even has anything to do with the feature films. Im guessing its tied with DC, because ultimately they have the say on usage of their comic book properties. Thats how it was for JLU.

AgentPat

04-17-2006, 02:33 PM

...Sticky question...

I would read the story about the construction of the FOS in the Smallville mag from earlier this year/last year (can someone give the specific issue number? --don't have it in front of me). That should give you a pretty good indication of the relationship between features and television... however blurry it may be...

[not that it always operates that way for every element of the show, but just think logically about events past and forthcoming...]

:cool:Gosh, I LOVE "sticky" questions. :D

I don't know the SV issue number off the top of my head, but my memory of the article went something like this...

The only reason SV wasn't allowed to show Krypton or other Kryptonians like Jor-El or Lara, was because Features didn't want the potential for any "egregious mythology clashes." So the easiest thing to do was just limit what SV could show. Some restrictions were dropped once Singer laid out his story synopsis, and now that SR is basically "done," SV has a little more freedom.

As a result, this season we've already been given the FOS, Alien Ken & Barbie, Clark's visions of Krypton direct from S:TM, and of course Brainiac, all of which would NEVER have been approved during the McG era. G&M have been talking with Stamp about making an appearance (as Jor-El), Zod will probably show up in the near future, and F&T in some form probably won't be too far behind. The only major story fork is what they'll be allowed to do with Lois. Her story arc is still up in the air, no pun intended.

Bruce_Wayne29

04-17-2006, 02:52 PM

What is F&T Pat ?

Lunar_Wolf

04-17-2006, 02:55 PM

Maybe they don't want you to see Jor-el as he's more mysterious when we don't see him. I want to see Terrance Stamp appearing on the show in physcial form.

Kane

04-17-2006, 03:37 PM

Clark's visions of Krypton direct from S:TM

:confused: when did this happen

AgentPat

04-17-2006, 03:54 PM

What is F&T Pat ?Oopz! Sowee. :O

F&T: Flights and tights. LOL

In context with my post up there, flights a LOT sooner than tights.

Kane

04-17-2006, 03:55 PM

Except he already flew.

giggs11uk

04-17-2006, 09:58 PM

the only reason jor-el hasnt been on film is because the voice actor (terrance stamp i think) hasnt found time to do any filming

smsvmos

04-17-2006, 10:10 PM

There is no restriction on Jor-El being in SV since we alredy got to see him and hear him. The problem is casting The old version of Jor-El.

Kane

04-17-2006, 10:38 PM

We got to see him? Not really.

Serene

04-17-2006, 10:54 PM

We got to see him? Not really.
Sure we did...

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3448/tw604yz.jpg
Just find someone who looks like that ^ plus 25 or so years, and you have Jor-El.

Kane

04-17-2006, 11:20 PM

I thought that was Clark living through Jor-El's memory, Jor-El's shoes... it wasnt actually the face of Jor-El.

I mean if thats was really Jor-El, wouldnt that mean the most plausible option is to use age makeup on TW and make him Jor-El. Problem with that is I doubt he could ever get Stamp's voice down perfectly, or even close.

If they use Terrence Stamp as the face, the aging gap over the years between TW's Jor-El and Stamp wouldnt add up with the regular Kryptonian aging process. It would be more akin to normal human aging after about 40 years.

Serene

04-17-2006, 11:27 PM

I thought that was Clark living through Jor-El's memory, Jor-El's shoes... it wasnt actually the face of Jor-El.
I never thought of it that way, interesting, but I have to disagree. Remember the drawing/picture in the newspaper of Jor-El? That wasn't Clark's projection of his own image, it was the actual face of Jor-El, and it confirms that he looked almost exactly like Clark.

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/2/relic__(035).jpg
credit DTS gallery.

Morg

04-17-2006, 11:30 PM

Because Jor-el camera shy so that's why we can't see him ;)

Kane

04-17-2006, 11:38 PM

I never thought of it that way, interesting, but I have to disagree. Remember the drawing/picture in the newspaper of Jor-El? That wasn't Clark's projection of his own image, it was the actual face of Jor-El, and it confirms that he looked almost exactly like Clark.

To be honest. I dont think I even sat through the whole episode, so Ill trust you on that.

If thats the case, Terrence Stamp wouldnt play a very convincing Jor-El. He looks nothing like what TW would have looked like in a few years (given the Kryptonian aging process). Remember theres only like a 20 year gap actually. The image of Jor-El is reflective of the last time he existed and Krypton was destroyed in SV in the 1980s.

The major problem is Stamp's voice is very distinctive. Where are they going to find an actor who resembles a slightly older TW but with a voice like Stamp?

Tough situation...

KalKai

04-17-2006, 11:47 PM

It won't be a problem for them, they always find the right people.. and if not, Stamp will do it doesn't matter.

Kane

04-17-2006, 11:49 PM

With Stamp, it will be weird. Unless Jor-El went through some rapid aging phase between the 60s and 80s..

KalKai

04-17-2006, 11:51 PM

http://www.terencestamp.com/IMAGES/GALLERY/2000s_stamp_01.jpg

He could still play Zod if they wanted to.. maybe he will.

Kane

04-17-2006, 11:54 PM

Zod having the same voice as Jor-El? Unless Zod is Jor-el... This is all too convoluted.

JackMercy

04-18-2006, 12:46 AM

Nice picture of Stamp, KalKai. Still lookin' good.

As Pat already noted above, AG has actually revealed in recent interviews what they are "planning," or what he wants, to do with the "actual casting" of Jor-El, if all the ducks are in line. Search for it, it's all out in the public domain.

Now if that will actually happen, remains another matter...
(as a lot of you know, many recipes have changed along the way..)

But it sure makes sense based on previous casting choices...

:cool:

Kane

04-18-2006, 05:17 AM

I dont see how they could make this work in a plausible way. An actor that looks like TW with unique Stamps voice...

The fact that they said they wanted to cast Stamp to actually play Jor-El onscreen for season 6 makes me think theyre planning to ignore TW as Jor-El in Relic... The newspaper article would be the only problem...plothole? We'll see.

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 06:04 AM

...AG has actually revealed in recent interviews what they are "planning," or what he wants, to do with the "actual casting" of Jor-El, if all the ducks are in line. Search for it, it's all out in the public domain.

Now if that will actually happen, remains another matter...
(as a lot of you know, many recipes have changed along the way..)

But it sure makes sense based on previous casting choices...Yeah, it does. I hope they can find a window in his sked in order to make it work. That appears to be the only monkey wrench in the plan at the moment. :)

BTW, I'm I the only one LOL at the "age" anachronism as being an issue? :rolleyes:

Lunar_Wolf

04-18-2006, 07:57 AM

They could cast a younger Jor-el and dubb his voice with Stramp's. Might work.

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 08:13 AM

They could cast a younger Jor-el and dub his voice with Stamp's. Might work.Sure. They could, and it would, but they don't need to. Besides, having Stamp appear on screen as Jor-El is much nicer than dubbing the voice onto some random guest actor. Stamp is also not opposed to it, so it really is just a matter of scheduling - just like it was with Reeve.

Cmill216

04-18-2006, 08:18 AM

I like the mystique created by not showing his face, but I believe that he needs to be seen in one of the last episodes of the show. I too would love to see Stamp as Jor-El. It would be a nice touch.

Kane

04-18-2006, 08:28 AM

Honestly though, how would they explain the rapid aging from Tom Welling as 'Jor-El' in the 60s to Stamp as 'Jor-El' in the 80s. Thats only 20 some years. Even by human standards, that kind of aging makes no sense...:confused:

Supershizzle

04-18-2006, 09:59 AM

radiation given off by a dying Krypton?

Kane

04-18-2006, 10:02 AM

Or maybe theres some quantum descrepancy between the planets... like time moves at a faster rate in Krypton's galaxy compared to the Sol System.

JackMercy

04-18-2006, 03:43 PM

Look, Kane, no one had a problem with an ageing Brando playing Reeve's father.

And if you really look at it, the newspaper shot of "young Jor-El" could kind of easily be a younger Terry Stamp as well...

And would that really be a hard thing to swallow considering how many other things the show has asked us to accept as "plausible" over the past five years?

Follow the yellow brick road...

;)

Kane

04-18-2006, 03:52 PM

Look, Kane, no one had a problem with an ageing Brando playing Reeve's father.

Follow the yellow brick road...

;)

Dude you're missing the point. They showed a young Jor-el in the 1960s from Relic played by Tom Welling. Then its the 1980s and Jor-El has aged so much (if played by Stamp)?

It just contradicts, especially considering Kryptonian aging.

With the movie, there was no previous portrayal of Brando's Jorel prior to Brando....so Jor-El could be any age and it wouldnt matter.

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 04:15 PM

The Sage

04-18-2006, 04:36 PM

I have a new enemy, and his name is JackMercy!!

Serene

04-18-2006, 04:38 PM

I have to say, I do see Kane's point. While I won't have a problem accepting Stamp as Jor-El (in fact, I think it would be pretty cool casting if they pull it off), my vision of Jor-El (at the time of his death) would be of a much younger looking man. Take the Relic Jor-El (1961) who looked anywhere from 18 - 25-ish, and add 17 or so years until Krypton blew and you have a man who is mid-30's to mid-40's. That's going to take some goood make-up for Stamp (who is 65) fit in the SV established timeline for Jor-El.

But that's just the stickler perspective. And we all know it doesn't pay to be a stickler when you are a sci-fi/fantasy fan. :) Matching up the "voice" of Jor-El would be a casting coup, and would override any chronological inconsistencies.

And not for anything, but I still think it's creepy to use Marlon Brando footage in the new movie. Meh.. something else they never consulted me about. ;)

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 05:05 PM

Honestly, there's only one point that I think is relevant. Krypton blew up thousands of years ago. Given our knowledge of time, there's no WAY Jor-El could have been on Earth in 1961. The whole thing doesn't make sense, which is what Jack was trying to convey about SV. So, having an aged Stamp play Jor-El makes as much sense as having him on Earth as a young adult 45 years ago.

But, if you're one of those math junkies that just has to have a balance in every equation, Terence Stamp - the actor - was 22 years old in 1961. :p

I hate math. And Einsteinium physics is not my forte either.

Kane

04-18-2006, 05:10 PM

Umm... We're staring down a $200M Superman feature film, starring a TWENTY THREE year-old Lois Lane (whose the mother of a child IN the film) playing opposite a TWENTY SIX year old Superman (whose been "missing" for five or six years), and people are complaining about a guest appearance by Terence Stamp as Jor-El (whose "image" could have been recorded at any time during his life on Krypton) on SV - a freakin' TV show??!

Jeezes H. Keerist people! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

Kate confirmed shes playing the Lois character older than her age. Lois is in her late 20s (meaning Jason was born while she was 23/24 or later, depending on his age). Superman also late 20s, 30 tops.

Superman has been missing since 2000 (according to the DP newspaper) which means he started his Superman career in the late 90s. The Zod incident probably happened around 1999, along with his first relationship with Lois. The 4 part comic series is supposed to explain the revised origins anyways and it may even be touched on during the film.

It actually all fits here.

Jor-El's rapid aging doesnt, even by human standards. I dont think Tom Welling will look like what Terrence Stamp looks like now in 20 years...

Kane

04-18-2006, 05:12 PM

Honestly, there's only one point that I think is relevant. Krypton blew up thousands of years ago. Given our knowledge of time, there's no WAY Jor-El could have been on Earth in 1961. The whole thing doesn't make sense, which is what Jack was trying to convey about SV. So, having an aged Stamp play Jor-El makes as much sense as having him on Earth as a young adult 45 years ago.

Krypton blew up 1000s of years ago? I recall Hackman's Lex saying Krypton blew up in the 1940s in Superman I, in that underground library scene.

In the comics, Kara Zor-El definately wasnt in stasis for 1000 years, more like 30.

Kane

04-18-2006, 05:16 PM

And not for anything, but I still think it's creepy to use Marlon Brando footage in the new movie. Meh.. something else they never consulted me about. ;)

I think its a pretty unique idea. Im curious to see how its handled. Besides I like the fact that despite Brando being dead, he appears here. Its kinda reminiscent of the Jor-El character in a twisted ironic way...

Serene

04-18-2006, 05:29 PM

Honestly, there's only one point that I think is relevant. Krypton blew up thousands of years ago.

Now I'm confused. How long exactly was baby Clark floating through space before he reached Earth?

Okay.. this throws a whole new wrench into things. :)

I know! Since Jor-El *was* here in 1961.. then in SV mythology, Krypton didn't blow up thousands of years ago. Jor-El had time to go back to Krypton, fall in love with Lara, have a child.. then Krypton goes boom and Clark lands on Earth sometime 1987-ish.

Maybe?

Kane

04-18-2006, 06:03 PM

Clark was about 3 when he landed... hmmm

I think the BEST explaination the SV writers could use if they wana use Stamp is that time moves much faster in Krypton's star system compared to Earth.

Meaning, compared to Relic, the Jor-El we would see played by Stamp would be 80-100 years older or more.

It amazes me Jor-El was still fertile enough for Clark to be born...must be the Kryptonian DNA. It'd be funny if Lara was half his age.

JackMercy

04-18-2006, 06:20 PM

Kane, you just answered your own question with your earlier reference to casting ingredients in the "feature" pie.

Tell Christopher Lee he can't play a Darth at 82.

Tell Connery he can't play Bond in his mid-50s.

Wait a minute... doesn't some guy called TW actually play someone much younger than his actual age?

Only by about ten years.

It's called acting.
And it's been a Hollywood consistency for many many years.

Look, all I can say is that the pizza chefs are not really interested in specific Kryptonian timelines or scientific inconsistencies. If they really were, they would have just done a show about Stephen Hawking.

Bottom line is, the chefs plan on making a pizza with certain kinds of ingredients, in a certain way. And the advantages to making this pie a certain way far outweigh the disadvantages. So...

You can either

A) eat the pizza and accept it for what it is

Or

B) go hungry that night...or month...or season...

;)

Kane

04-18-2006, 06:41 PM

Gosh... stop talking like that.

I proved earlier that the casting for SR wasnt a relevant comparison to the issue here. This is simply an inconsistancy. I mean I suppose I could ignore such an oversight and assume Relic has been retconned....

but still I offered a solution to how the writers can easily explain it.

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 06:41 PM

Now I'm confused. How long exactly was baby Clark floating through space before he reached Earth?:confused:

Ya got me, but it could have been quite a long time. If folks *really* need technobabble to explain this, I'll give it a shot. But lets first remember that this is SV. It's not the Donner film, and it's not the comics - even if it's vaguely based on those things. (Damn, I love that word!)

Aight, in an effort to keep it simple, here's two dialog excerpts from Rosetta and Arrival:

From Rosetta:

Clark: Is that where Krypton is?

Swann: No, that's where Krypton was. I followed the signal's path billions of miles out into space. I was hoping to discover its origin but instead, I found nothing.

Fiction: Krypton is "billions of miles" away.

Fact: Light travels through the vacuum of space at 186,282 miles per second. In one year, light will travel 5,880,534,262,081 miles.

From Arrival:

Clark: I wasn't born anywhere near Smallville. In fact, I wasn't born anywhere near this galaxy.

Fact: It is approximately 75,000 light years to the farthest edge of our galaxy.

Conclusion: Krypton must be at *least* 75,000 light years away, which means it took at least 75,000 years for the signal to reach us, which means it blew up at least 75,000 years ago.

I still hate math. :p

Look, all I can say is that the pizza chefs are not really interested in specific Kryptonian timelines or scientific inconsistencies. If they really were, they would have just done a show about Stephen Hawking.

Bottom line is, the chefs plan on making a pizza with certain kinds of ingredients, in a certain way. And the advantages to making this pie a certain way far outweigh the disadvantages. So...

You can either

A) eat the pizza and accept it for what it is

Or

B) go hungry that night...or month...or season...
http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/hands.gif

Thank you!!! Some things are wicked easy if you just suspend disbelief. If a major motion picture director can get away with it, so can a "blasphemous" TV show, right Jack?

I'm procrastinating my workout. Be back later. :)

Kane

04-18-2006, 06:48 PM

Conclusion: Krypton must be at *least* 75,000 light years away, which means it took at least 75,000 years for the signal to reach us, which means it blew up at least 75,000 years ago.

The hell? Didnt Clark's rocket ship travel at lightspeed? If lightspeed only took him about 3 years to get from Krypton to Earth (from a baby to a toddler)....wouldnt that mean Krypton blew up 3 years prior to his arrival?

Serene

04-18-2006, 06:51 PM

You can either

A) eat the pizza and accept it for what it is

Or

B) go hungry that night...or month...or season...

;)

Or maybe we can talk about the pizza first just because it's.. fun?

I don't have a problem with them casting Stamp. I thought I made that clear.

But technically, Jor-El's appearance on Earth in 1961, *does* throw a wrench into the theory of Krypton being destroyed a zillion years ago. Kane and I are just volleying the possible ways around that.

I guess we could bend time.. which as sci-fi fans I believe we're allowed to do. ;)

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 06:59 PM

But technically, Jor-El's appearance on Earth in 1961, *does* throw a wrench into the theory of Krypton being destroyed a zillion years ago.Well, yes and no. See below...

Kane and I are just volleying the possible ways around that.I've had him on ignore for quite some time. Got tired of the BS. I'd rather argue with Milkman and Pickle - at least they're fun. :p

I guess we could bend time.. which as sci-fi fans I believe we're allowed to do. ;)There's a "portal" in the cave. Wormhole, maybe? Any Trekers in the house? It's fantasy; anything's possible if you need it to be.

Okay, I *really* need to fly (pun intended.) TTYL

The Sage

04-18-2006, 06:59 PM

The hell? Didnt Clark's rocket ship travel at lightspeed? If lightspeed only took him about 3 years to get from Krypton to Earth (from a baby to a toddler)....wouldnt that mean Krypton blew up 3 years prior to his arrival?

You're outnumbered. Join me, and we can unleash true hell, make you worthy of your name.:doom:

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:01 PM

Maybe Clark should encounter the hologram of the younger Jor-El from Relic played by Tom Welling...

That'd be pretty weird...

It'd be like the final scene in 'Field of Dreams'

The Sage

04-18-2006, 07:01 PM

I've had him on ignore for quite some time. Got tired of the BS. I'd rather argue with Milkman and Pickle - at least they're fun. :p

And what of me?:)

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:02 PM

You're outnumbered. Join me, and we can unleash true hell, make you worthy of your name.:doom:

:confused: My name? Kane is actually my real name......

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:08 PM

And what of me?:)

Dont worry. The real 'BS' was her attempt to explain this, and Jack's lame pizza analogy....then the final statement that it need not make logical sense, along with an irrelevant comparison to the casting for the new Superman film.

It doesnt have to, but its always prudent to try to make it somewhat logical. If the comic writers shared the same attitude, Crisis on Infinite Earths would have never happened.

Oh well, I offered a logical solution to explain this discrepancy if they wanted to use Stamp... We'll see how it plays out.

The Sage

04-18-2006, 07:11 PM

Stamp could work IMO, despite his age. Kryptonians age differently than humans. Case closed.

This discussion is terminated.

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:12 PM

Ya they age slower.....

The Sage

04-18-2006, 07:12 PM

:confused: My name? Kane is actually my real name......

Join me anyway.:doom:

Serene

04-18-2006, 07:13 PM

I've had him on ignore for quite some time. Got tired of the BS. I'd rather argue with Milkman and Pickle - at least they're fun.
Lol.. my Ignore list gets edited every now and then. ;)

Cmill216

04-18-2006, 07:17 PM

You guys use ignore lists? I find it hard to ignore the e-people I hate. They amuse me. :D

avidreader

04-18-2006, 07:17 PM

Okay Science Fiction.

What if Jor-el from Relic was able to travel through the Portal from Krypton to Earth and any given time of Earth's history.

You can make anything up and have it be plausible.

And we were never given how old Jor-el was in Relic, he could have already been pushing 40. Who knows? I dont recall them saying his specific age.

Just go with the flow and dont worry about the technicalitites.

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:17 PM

Lol.. my Ignore list gets edited every now and then. ;)

Good, I dont mind you. You're one of the better ones. =)

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:18 PM

The Sage

04-18-2006, 07:23 PM

http://www.terencestamp.com/IMAGES/GALLERY/2000s_stamp_01.jpg

Dye his hair, give him robes to cover up any frailty, some make up, and Stamp can conjure up a great presence. He could be Jor-El.

I just hope Jor-El isn't taking over Pa Kent's body.

The Sage

04-18-2006, 07:24 PM

Good, I dont mind you. You're one of the better ones. =)

Better ones? She's my suga moma.:up:

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:26 PM

I just hope Jor-El isn't taking over Pa Kent's body.

I hope not though I think it was said that Zod and Jorel wont be appearing in their normal forms. I know Lionel is connected to this.

Its likely Lionel will be the vessel of Jor-El.

But what about Zod?

Who will be his vessel?

Lex?

Could this be how Lex finally kills Lionel? :confused:

Brainiac was supposed to give Lex powers somehow.....

Serene

04-18-2006, 07:26 PM

As long as theres some explaination onscreen about it, its fine with me...
Meh.. even if they don't, like avid said, I can go with the flow on this one.

But maybe because Relic is one of my favorite episodes, it's very important in the show's mythology to me. I can't help but wonder about Jor-El then.. and now. It's just how my brain works. When it works. :p

Better ones? She's my suga moma.

LOL! I'm just going to assume that's a good thing. ;)

Kane

04-18-2006, 07:31 PM

Sage, damn you. Stop hitting on married women :p

AgentPat

04-18-2006, 09:47 PM

And what of me?:)You kidding? Between you and Thunder, the three of us would make a great Oreo Cookie.

:eek:

That probably didn't come out right. :O

Lol.. my Ignore list gets edited every now and then. ;)Ditto. Some do the revolving door thang though. :p

You guys use ignore lists? I find it hard to ignore the e-people I hate. They amuse me.Indeed. Fanboy arguments CAN be fun LOL!!! But I draw the line when people sink to personal insults. There's just no call for that. So plunk away they go. It's easy. :D

What if Jor-el from Relic was able to travel through the Portal from Krypton to Earth and any given time of Earth's history.They kind of eluded to that with the Kiwatchi prophesies and whatnot. But it does create further discrepancies - like why wouldn't Kryptonians use that kind of technology to escape their dying planet? And if they didn't know the destruction of their planet was imminent (like the shifting orbit theory proposed in the Donner pic), Jor-El obviously knew ('cause he rocketed Kal-El to Earth), so why not just send Kal through the portal? Yeah, WAY too many but-ifs on this one.

But maybe because Relic is one of my favorite episodes, it's very important in the show's mythology to me. I can't help but wonder about Jor-El then.. and now. It's just how my brain works. When it works.I guess I'm kind of the opposite on this. I LOVED Relic. In fact, it was THE turning point in my love of all things SV. Really, it was! But the "small stuff" doesn't bother me. I see the big picture and like to think of the events in Relic as the determining factor for Jor-El's decision to sent Kal-El to Earth. Jor-El's age now - or then for that matter - doesn't bother me. It's irrelevant to my enjoyment of SV in whole or in part. :)

Serene

04-18-2006, 11:23 PM

Ditto. Some do the revolving door thang though. :p

Indeed. Fanboy arguments CAN be fun LOL!!! But I draw the line when people sink to personal insults. There's just no call for that. So plunk away they go. It's easy. :D

Rarely do I take someone off of Ignore once they are on. But I try not to put people on it lightly. Like you said, when someone sinks to personal insults (repeatedly), or when I just think they're a troll who's only here to stir the pot and has no interest in real discussion, then it's *Plonk!*

But I just looked.. and I have 9 people on ignore! LOL.. I guess I really am an intolerant *****. :O

avidreader

04-19-2006, 10:48 AM

They kind of eluded to that with the Kiwatchi prophesies and whatnot. But it does create further discrepancies - like why wouldn't Kryptonians use that kind of technology to escape their dying planet? And if they didn't know the destruction of their planet was imminent (like the shifting orbit theory proposed in the Donner pic), Jor-El obviously knew ('cause he rocketed Kal-El to Earth), so why not just send Kal through the portal? Yeah, WAY too many but-ifs on this one.

I'm sure there are discrepancies, but my point was that they could spin any number of stories to explain anything but the bottom line is Terrance Stamp could play Jor-el and I wouldnt care about his age.

Oh, and it is possible that Zod and his cronies sealed the portal off. ;)

KikiDee

04-19-2006, 11:18 AM

I'm sure there are discrepancies, but my point was that they could spin any number of stories to explain anything but the bottom line is Terrance Stamp could play Jor-el and I wouldnt care about his age.

Oh, and it is possible that Zod and his cronies sealed the portal off. ;)

I thought Jor el did. Clark had to have the key before it could be opened again right? The key was with the ship. I don't know my memory is a little iffy today. When he put the key into the cave wall all sorts of crazy stuff happened so I guess I just assumed Jor-el was the one that locked it because he left his pendant there so his dad wouldn't know what he did while he was on earth.

Sooooo he sent Clark in the ship with the key because the portal was no longer usable from earth, but that doesn't mean he couldn't download it with all sorts of good stuff from Krypton's end before it blew up. The only thing I don't have a theory on is Kara. Unless, the portal opened when the ship with the key reached earth's atmosphere and Kara happened to be close by and was zapped in by the great Kryptonian computer that knew that Clark would eventually need a sexy young thang to convince him to go into the light.

HA! Well that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Hee until I come up with a better one.:)

smsvmos

04-19-2006, 04:14 PM

Here are my 2 cents on the issue of Kryptonians and Planet Earth.

First of all it is clear that Kryptonians have been traveling to earth since Civilization started on the planet. They knew that the Yellow Sun give them special abbilities that could lead them to rule the world. For some reason they knew that this could not be allowd to happend and they closed a portal that had special knowledge of their planet and techology so they seald this portal and divided the Crystals so only the chosen one could find it.In the Centuries to fallow many Kryptonians Traveld to Earth to find this Crystals (I guess thats why Jor-El's Father sent him to Earth and to also do more research on this primitive planet and what was so special about the ppl in it). NOw the cave is one of the portals that where seald up by the Kryptonians and the Native Americans had contact with the Kryptonians at that time and learnd about the legend of Numan. But was the legend told by Kryptonians or was it a vision of one of the natives?? If it was told by Kryptonians then they knew what was goin to happend to their planet Centuries before Jor-El arrived or did Jor-El created the legend him self and traveld trew time to leave the mark of history? So many question.... :D

RakuMon

04-27-2006, 09:09 AM

Dude you're missing the point. They showed a young Jor-el in the 1960s from Relic played by Tom Welling. Then its the 1980s and Jor-El has aged so much (if played by Stamp)?

It just contradicts, especially considering Kryptonian aging.

With the movie, there was no previous portrayal of Brando's Jorel prior to Brando....so Jor-El could be any age and it wouldnt matter.

Maybe people on Krypton age the same way people age on Tatooine.

To wit:

http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/obi_wan_kenobi_2.jpg

Less than two decades later:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Obi-WanKenobi.jpg/180px-Obi-WanKenobi.jpg

Kane

04-27-2006, 09:45 AM

Actually this was Obiwan in Episode Three:

http://img.web.de/c/microsites/Star_Wars_Episode_III/img_ep3/obiwan_150.jpg

They tried to make him look more like Alec from Episode 4. He was supposed to be in his late 30s/early 40s for Episode III.

About 20 years later (Ep 4), Alec Guiness played the character in about his early 60s (Alec was 63 years old at the time).

So the 20 year gap actually works. It may be over 20 years given that Leia definately wasnt a teenager and Luke was held back some years at the farm, not being able to go to his academy (which is the equivalent of college).

Jlandsw

04-27-2006, 01:41 PM

TPTB did say something about not being able to show Krypton or Jor-El. But they are gunna be able to get around it next season!!!!!!! I heard a rumor that we'll be seeing Jor-El in human form!

AgentPat

04-27-2006, 01:56 PM

TPTB did say something about not being able to show Krypton or Jor-El.That was all pre Singer. McG and Abrams' script was Krypton heavy, so to avoid potential grievous mythology clashes (LOL), SV was prevented from showing Krypton or Kryptonians, including Lara & Jor-El. That restriction was lifted after Singer came on board though, which is why Kryptonians besides the Last Son "keep popping up" on SV now. ;)

Jlandsw

04-27-2006, 02:00 PM

That was all pre Singer. McG and Abrams' script was Krypton heavy, so to avoid potential grievous mythology clashes (LOL), SV was prevented from showing Krypton or Kryptonians, including Lara & Jor-El. That restriction was lifted after Singer came on board though, which is why Kryptonians besides the Last Son "keep popping up" on SV now. ;)

Ohhhhhhhh ok, thats awesome. Now can I ask you a question???? What about the Superman theme??(not to get too off topic) I heard somthing like SV wasn't allowed to use the Superman Theme because of the movie. Is that true? And if it is, will it be lifted after the movie comes out?

KikiDee

04-27-2006, 02:49 PM

Ohhhhhhhh ok, thats awesome. Now can I ask you a question???? What about the Superman theme??(not to get too off topic) I heard somthing like SV wasn't allowed to use the Superman Theme because of the movie. Is that true? And if it is, will it be lifted after the movie comes out?

They already have. They don't use the entire theme, but in snippets and variation. I think the most obvious was Rosetta? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). They sneak it in the background quite often when he's doing or around something very mythos based.

Jlandsw

04-27-2006, 02:55 PM

They already have. They don't use the entire theme, but in snippets and variation. I think the most obvious was Rosetta? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). They sneak it in the background quite often when he's doing or around something very mythos based.

Oh yea I know that. Actually in Rosetta they used both the Superman and Krypton themes. But when the SR movie was in production, I heard something about Smallville no longer being able to use those themes because of conflicts with SR. Thats why I rarely hear the theme in SV anymore, and if they do play it, its subtle to the point where you almost don't realize or hear it.

Kane

04-27-2006, 03:13 PM

They use the theme all the time.. its just usually subtle, you have to listen for it.

Jlandsw

04-27-2006, 03:17 PM

KikiDee

04-27-2006, 03:32 PM

The only time they played the theme this season was Arrival and Lockdown. And yeah, it was very subtle. I bet no one noticed it in Lockdown (during the hospital scene with Lex and Lana, and Clark comes out of the elevator)

I'm sorry, I guess I didn't understand what you were asking. I haven't read anything on that front so I guess we'll see. I agree you definitely don't hear it as much this season.

AgentPat

04-27-2006, 03:46 PM

...But when the SR movie was in production, I heard something about Smallville no longer being able to use those themes because of conflicts with SR. That's why I rarely hear the theme in SV anymore, and if they do play it, its subtle to the point where you almost don't realize or hear it.Nah. They can still use it if they want, but they have to pay to do so, which is probably why we don't hear the actually (full) melody used all that much. Snow just hints around at it using similar orchestration and timbres.

I don't know all of the intricate little details, but quite a few restrictions were lifted post Singer, which is good. They still have the big stuff regarding Lois and her relations - or lack thereof (LOL) with Clark - but that's all par for the course and makes sense. JLA restrictions (no Bruce/Batman etc.) are because of existing or pending films. The "no flights no tights" rule is self-imposed, however...

So um... Yeah! I'm looking forward to next season, ahuh. ;)

Brainiac 8

04-27-2006, 03:49 PM

Nah. They can still use it if they want, but they have to pay to do so, which is probably why we don't hear the actually (full) melody used all that much. Snow just hints around at it using similar orchestration and timbres.

I don't know all of the intricate little details, but quite a few restrictions were lifted post Singer, which is good. They still have the big stuff regarding Lois and her relations - or lack thereof (LOL) with Clark - but that's all par for the course and makes sense. JLA restrictions (no Bruce/Batman etc.) are because of existing or pending films. The "no flights no tights" rule is self-imposed, however...

So um... Yeah! I'm looking forward to next season, ahuh. ;)

I'll second that.:up:

And lets hear an "Aye" for them breaking the no flights rule.:D

Jlandsw

04-27-2006, 04:55 PM

Nah. They can still use it if they want, but they have to pay to do so, which is probably why we don't hear the actually (full) melody used all that much. Snow just hints around at it using similar orchestration and timbres.

I don't know all of the intricate little details, but quite a few restrictions were lifted post Singer, which is good. They still have the big stuff regarding Lois and her relations - or lack thereof (LOL) with Clark - but that's all par for the course and makes sense. JLA restrictions (no Bruce/Batman etc.) are because of existing or pending films. The "no flights no tights" rule is self-imposed, however...

So um... Yeah! I'm looking forward to next season, ahuh. ;)

They should play the theme at the last scene of the last episode of smallville. or when and if he gets his suit!!!