X-Men vs. The Matrix

[TimDrake64x]

my friends and i were having a discussion about which of these franchises as a whole is the best. now i know that x3 comes out next month, but please just go by what we have seen of x3 and what we expect. also please tell y u picked the franchise that u did

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Matrix was convoluted and lame. Plus it had Keanu. Nuff said!

[Prognosticator]

Matrix - B/C right now the first one alone is better than anything the x-franchise has put out! Plus, X-Men shouldn't have to be stuffed into Trilogy territory. We all know that's crap!

Second - Both Matrix sequels are better overall than the original X-movie, and people can blame it on anything they want to but it's true (for me, i know its my opinion)

Third - We just don't know how good X3 is till it comes out. End of argument.

[TimDrake64x]

ha, i dont think its the end since most of ur agruments were opinions.

and come on dude, ur saying that reloaded is better x2 and x1. thats just crap. ill give u taht the 1st matrix is better than the 1st x-men. but i think that the matrix sequels will ultimatly bring it down and that the x-sequels are better (or x3 will be better but thats still up in the air)

and u didnt vote

[Prognosticator]

ha, i dont think its the end since most of ur agruments were opinions.

and come on dude, ur saying that reloaded is better x2 and x1. thats just crap. ill give u taht the 1st matrix is better than the 1st x-men. but i think that the matrix sequels will ultimatly bring it down and that the x-sequels are better (or x3 will be better but thats still up in the air)

and u didnt vote

Come on now, did u skim over what i wrote? I didn't say anything about Reloaded being better than x2! I said both sequels...well it's right there!

[Prognosticator]

I don't have a bad thing to say about X2, it's up there w/BB as the best comic movies ever! But the original highly dissappointed (no one can argue its length (lack thereof) and minimal characterization (exception: wolverine/magneto).

[Timstuff]

As individual movies, The Matrix was better than X-Men 1. But as a series, X-Men thus far has been much better.

[Guyverjay]

The original Matrix ****s over X1 and 2 and will likely **** over 3 as well. Matrix sequels are also better than the first X-men film which was pants

[jaydawg]

The original Matrix was pure brilliance. The sequels effectively took a shat on anything good about that movie. X-men takes it.

[GL1]

Matrix puts the X-Men away... Matrix was bigger, badder, longer and deeper with a more well developed cast... yes it threw away it's main plot point for movies 2 and 3, but it was still great movie watching... X1 and X2 were okay, X3 may be so jawdroppingly awesome to put these series on even ground, but Matrix 2 and 3 eat up X1 and X2 every day of the week... for every Nightcrawler assault there's a burly brawl... for every "heartfelt" moment with Logan there's a subtle reference to the meaning of life... for every zion orgy there's a Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Sabertooth and Lady Deathstrike, painfully undeveloped, misdeveloped stooge slaps in comicdoms faces...

[TimDrake64x]

The original Matrix was pure brilliance. The sequels effectively took a shat on anything good about that movie. X-men takes it.

this guy pretty much sums up for i think most people feel about it

[Prognosticator]

Matrix puts the X-Men away... Matrix was bigger, badder, longer and deeper with a more well developed cast... yes it threw away it's main plot point for movies 2 and 3, but it was still great movie watching... X1 and X2 were okay, X3 may be so jawdroppingly awesome to put these series on even ground, but Matrix 2 and 3 eat up X1 and X2 every day of the week... for every Nightcrawler assault there's a burly brawl... for every "heartfelt" moment with Logan there's a subtle reference to the meaning of life... for every zion orgy there's a Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Sabertooth and Lady Deathstrike, painfully undeveloped, misdeveloped stooge slaps in comicdoms faces...

NO, I'd think most agree with this whether they want to or not! otherwise, i'd say you're a x-men fanboy and can't leave your bias at the doorstep!

[PWN3R]

The original Matrix was pure brilliance. The sequels effectively took a shat on anything good about that movie. X-men takes it.

Exactly. I hope X3 isn't a Revolutions....:(

Lame.

[TheFalcon]

X-Men

[Kevin Roegele]

As good as the X movies are....it's The Matrix, y'know.

[Bullseye]

The Matrix was amazing. The sequels however, were not.

[Chris Wallace]

The third Matrix film killed it for me. The FX, considered groundbreaking at the time, were run into the ground by parody & imitation. X-Men is just a far more interesting storyline to me. It has relevance in the real world, more interesting characters, MAKES MORE SENSE, & is not all dependent on one man.

[TimDrake64x]

NO, I'd think most agree with this whether they want to or not! otherwise, i'd say you're a x-men fanboy and can't leave your bias at the doorstep!

it really doesnt have anything to do with being fan boy. and actually im more partial to dc characters like batman and superman ect. and dont like most marvel stuff. but x-men was just a very well done franchise (especially if they end it with the 3rd one), i just think that the message is better and there r much deeper meanings in x-men than in the matrix.

also y would most agree with that "whether they want to or not" if they want to they will agree with it, if they dont then they dont. but i think the poll speaks for itself

[Katsuro]

I know i'm practically alone in stating this, but all 3 Matrix films are some of my favorite films ever. I've always been a huge Matrix fan, and it pains me to know that some of my favorite films (the sequels specifically) are practically universally hated.

As for X-Men, I really like the first two, and the third looks great, although i'm worried about the lack of Cyclops. In every poster he's hidden in the back, and he has like 2 seconds in the trailer. He didnt' even get a character one-sheet poster. I read a script review a long while back that said both Professor X and Cyclops are killed by Pheonix, Cyclops's death being fairly early on. If that's true, i'll be pissed. How can you kill off the two leaders of the X-Men. Who's gonna lead them after that? Storm!?! I'll bet this is Halle Berry's doing....

[GL1]

it really doesnt have anything to do with being fan boy. and actually im more partial to dc characters like batman and superman ect. and dont like most marvel stuff. but x-men was just a very well done franchise (especially if they end it with the 3rd one), i just think that the message is better and there r much deeper meanings in x-men than in the matrix.

also y would most agree with that "whether they want to or not" if they want to they will agree with it, if they dont then they dont. but i think the poll speaks for itself

Well, he was actually saying that X-Men fans are in denial and simply like X-Men more, which would be reflected in the pole, rather than the actual quality or entertainment value of the movie is concerned.

It's like when I was a kid. Shawshank Redemption is a VASTLY superior movie to Batman: Mask of The Phantasm (also GREAT), but because I enjoy Batman, I enjoyed and think more highly of MoTP. If you put them on a pole, I would think more highly of the lesser movie, and defend it's quality. Same thing is happening here.

The Matrix movies OBVIOUSLY had MUCH more meaning, and deeper meanings within it, but because the comic book movie forum thinks more highly of X-Men in general, the X-Men movies are rated more highly here, regardless of quality.

I am somehow free to act independently of such bias. Who knows why. I can certainly acknowledge that Matrix 2 and 3 were inferior to The Matrix (1), which changed the face of hollywood action, shoved John Woo into the mainstream, and provided more than a little inspiration for the entire X-Men franchise. At no point can I come up with any reason why X-Men (1) is superior to any Matrix movie in any way whatsover. I cannot find any scenes, plot points or design points better than those found in the Matrix franchise. X2 the same. There are some standout action sequences, but nothing compared to the craziness lauded in Matrix: Reloaded.

Like Prognosticator, I beleive that the only reason to value the X-Men movie franchise over the Matrix franchise lies in devotion to the X-Men comic book franchise, not in the quality of the movies.

[Chris Wallace]

I disagree. Not all fans of the X-Men movies have our heads just buried in the sand & won't listen to anything else. That's a very narrow-minded point of view.

[Sandman138]

As a cyberpunk fan, I found The Matrix to be convoluted, contrived, and pretty shallow. It went to great lengths to sound deep, but in the end it was just formulaic action with quasi-philosophical one liners, and nice special effects. Even all the Gnostic references couldn't make me like the film. At the end of the day, I'd rather watch Blade Runner or Ghost In The Shell. X-Men on the other hand has had very human stories with strong metaphors that (for the most part) speak for themselves. X-Men wins easily in my book.

[GL1]

I disagree. Not all fans of the X-Men movies have our heads just buried in the sand & won't listen to anything else. That's a very narrow-minded point of view.

You overstate my point. X-Men is a high quality franchise. The actual quality of the film is definitely a factor in it leading this pole (of course), I'm simply suggesting that a general love for X-Men in general is an equal or greater factor.

While there are certainly some who generally like the X-Men franchise more, (I for instance, as an X-Men fan, prefer the Hulk movie to X-Men 1 or 2 everyday of the week) I simply feel that most of the favoritism is due to the X-Men mythos, not to anything notable the actors or filmmakers did.

I could be wrong of course, however, my point, due to the nature of motivation and polling cannot easily be proven true or false. Even if every polled member spoke their mind, it doesn't prove their actual motivation, especially since motivations for preferences are often hidden from the prefferer, much less the poller.

[CConn]

If it was a question of what (singular) film was better, I'd say The Matrix by a pretty good margin. But the rather intolerable sequels have tarnished the Matrix franchise quite a bit, while the X-Men series stayed strong, and even improved, with X2. Even if X3 is mediocre to bad, the X-Movies will still have one good movie more than the Matrix, IMO.

And as for GL1's point, I must say, I'm pretty free of bias in this particular matter; while I am quite a big X-Men fan, I'm, for various reasons, hardly that enamored with the movies, so I'd have no problem voting against them if they were facing a truly worthy opponent, but I just believe the Matrix sequels to be two pretty bad movies.

[Rez]

I love all three Matrix films.

I love the first half of X2.

Matrix and Reloaded are amazing films. Revolutions dropped the ball(Even then, awesome visuals).

X1 is balls. X2 fumbles the third act.

I would put Revolutions on par with X1, but for different reasons. Even then, I still enjoy watching Revolutions- even if I was dissapointed. I enjoy it more than X1.

Hands down, The Matrix.

[Chris Wallace]

It wasn't until Very recently that I forgaVe the Wachowskis for "ReVolutions".

[Dwarf lord]

If it were just Tha Matrix vs. the X-Men movies, Matrix would win. But if it's the whole trilogy, then X-Men takes it.

[TimDrake64x]

agree

[HighVoltage]

I don`t understand this thread but mi vote goes to X-MEN.

Only an opinion between these 2 Movies, Now I remember a commentary from that arrogant artist called Alex Ross, he was saying in a Wizard Magazine that The X-MEN Movie was succesful thanks to The Matrix movies and his influential for The X-MEN, because the design of costumes for The X-MEN was very similar to the Matrix costumes (Black Leather Costumes)?????

Stupid Alex Ross, before Matrix, two Marvel Movies had a design of production very futuristic and dark, with Black Costumes and these Movies are; Men In Black(1997) and Blade(1998) and that`s the main reason about The XMEN with Black Costumes.

[Robin91939]

The MATRIX = AWESOME
X-MEN = SOLID

The MATRIX RELOADED = Good
X2: X-MEN UNITED = AWESOME

The MATRIX REVOLUTIONS = dissapointing
X3: The Last Stand = Looks Amazing

My vote goes to X-men just based on the first two films.

-R

[Prognosticator]

The MATRIX = AWESOME
X-MEN = SOLID

The MATRIX RELOADED = Good
X2: X-MEN UNITED = AWESOME

The MATRIX REVOLUTIONS = dissapointing
X3: The Last Stand = Looks Amazing

My vote goes to X-men just based on the first two films.

-R

Here we go, this is a good method to sort this out:

The Matrix: Perfect *****
X-Men: Sucks **1/2

The Matrix: Reloaded: Brilliant ***1/2
X2: Brilliant X-Men movie ***1/2

The Matrix: Revolutions: Disappointing at first but ultimately ***
X3: 23 minutes long, last i heard! if this movie's as short as the first x-men, there is absolutely NO argument here. (And I'll be there opening day)It would be a joke, and when it releases in a month we'll all be able to sort this out a lot clearer. Can't wait!

[Prognosticator]

My best friend and i just watched the original x-men last night, and he's the ULTIMATE x-men enthusiast! even he was honest enough to admit how many rediculous campy mistakes they made w/the first one. And they were totally cashing in on the matrix effects (something every studio did for about two years). Mystique doesn't glide around defying gravity! No one's ever disputed storm's lack of character development. Senator Kelly turning into...WATER!?!??? ...I mean, "okay, that's much better than Reloaded"...

[Sandman138]

My best friend and i just watched the original x-men last night, and he's the ULTIMATE x-men enthusiast! even he was honest enough to admit how many rediculous campy mistakes they made w/the first one. And they were totally cashing in on the matrix effects (something every studio did for about two years). Mystique doesn't glide around defying gravity! No one's ever disputed storm's lack of character development. Senator Kelly turning into...WATER!?!??? ...I mean, "okay, that's much better than Reloaded"...

What was wrong with Kelly's structure dissipating? Mystique gliding around was, perhaps taken too far, I haven't seen the movie in a while, but the idea was that she was graceful and that's cool with me. Storm was definatly underdeveloped, no argument there.

[Prognosticator]

For trying to do something different and original w/Kelly, it was just a half-baked concept. It seemed like they just flat-out didn't think it out very well. And the part where he puts his head through the steel cage bars of his prison, I remember ducking my head in embarrassment at the theater... I can't believe more people don't acknowledge the first one as more 'camp' than cool???

[Sandman138]

Well, for one, the "camp" moments are not the memorable moments. What is memorable about that movie? Ian Mckellen's Magneto, Wolverine's introduction, the final fight with the Brotherhood on top of the Statue of Liberty (a powerful semiotic message), Patrick Stewart's Proffesor X. What was so half baked about having a bigot forced to live in the shoes of the people he hates?

[blind_fury]

X-men had the potential to be better than the Matrix, but it wasn't.

The matrix is classic sci-fi. X-men is not.

A giant bubble that turns people into mutants? Lame!

[Prognosticator]

X-men had the potential to be better than the Matrix, but it wasn't.

The matrix is classic sci-fi. X-men is not.

A giant bubble that turns people into mutants? Lame!

YES!!! THE FREAKING BUBBLE!?!?! WTF was that!!! 35+ years of comicbook material and they came up w/a bubble that doesn't even project radiation at an equal rate??

[TimDrake64x]

man and u call us bais

[PWN3R]

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[TimDrake64x]

lol^i love it

[JeetKuneDo]

my friends and i were having a discussion about which of these franchises as a whole is the best. now i know that x3 comes out next month, but please just go by what we have seen of x3 and what we expect. also please tell y u picked the franchise that u did

I'm a huge X-Men fan...but I have to admit that the Matrix started off better. But boy did it ever fall apart after that. X-Men caught and passed it by movie #2. Unless X3 is horrid, X-Men will be the better trilogy.

[XwolverineX]

X-men by a LOOOOOOOOOONG shot. :confused:

[Rez]

Good idea above.. check it out:


The Matrix - *****
X-Men - **
The Matrix is a perfect 5 star in every way. X-Men had snippits of parts or performances that didn't suck. No glue to hold it together.

The Matrix: Reloaded: ****1/2
X2: ****
The Matrix Reloaded. Also perfect 5 star in every way. Sadly, the film is not a complete one, and the need to have it not end leads to a question in the grading. Had the resolution been as great as the start, then it would obviously be a 5 star all the way. This was not the case, so it's knocked down half. X2 also has problems with it's end. Namely, it drags, and it lacks.... something. I really can't quite place it, but the bits at the base just conjure up feelings of X1 for me- and that's never a good thing.

The Matrix: Revolutions: ***1/2
X3: Bad vibes, yet unfair to judge at this point, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and call it a 4 star, just for arguments sake: ****
The third Matrix pushes the SFX and the performances given by the actors over the past two films to perfection. Unfortunately, this time, the story fumbles in a big way.

So, adding them up, even with a generous 4 star for X-Men 3, you get the following:

Matrix: 5 + 4 1/2 + 3 1/2 = 13
X-Men: 2 + 4 + 4 = 10

Matrix is the clear winner, even with me being overly generous to what I feel will be a bad film, X3. Look at it this way... even if X3 is a perfect, 5 star film, then it can go toe to toe with the first Matrix(except that it really can't, because damn near nothing can.) Let's put Reloaded and X2 on the same level, again, for arguments sake. So the question would come down to, what is better, Revolutions or X1... and even with it's story problems, it is clearly Revolutions.
No matter what you do, Matrix wins it.

[realestmutant45]

X-Men for sure

[The Kid]

X-men

Awesome!! A serious take on the x-men and the characters are all pretty well played. Yeah!!!! ok wtf is with all the exposition. Why doesn't professor x call himself Professor X-plainer! Oh well, still enjoyed the hell out of this. ***1/2 stars.

X-2
HOLY JESUS that opening is the best opening for any superhero movie ever made period. Why can't spidey be portrayed as well as nightcrawler was here. This just makes me wish singer did the spidey movies too. He knows how to deliver the goods from his wallcrawling characters at least. Anyway, this is a very good movie, although questionable logistically. I liked it so very much. ****1/2 since it raised the bar from x-1. Mystique's cg needed work in one shot but overall this movie came very close to perfection.

Matrix

OH MY GAAAAAAWWWWWWDDDDDDDD. I've never seen a movie like this before! ever! of course, i'm only what... 13? but still, i've been raised by tv and I've never seen anything like this bullet time stuff and there's a cool story about robots taking over. It's terminator, but not. I love it AND CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SEQUELS!! YIPEEEEE ****1/2 stars.

Reloaded

OH MY GAWD the beginning is so cool. Yes! This is what I wanted all those long months of waiting!! yes.. oh wait... aww... it's kinda gettin boring. Any story to follow perhaps? Wtf is with this dance sequence... what the hell, neo could have just flown away anyway. what the hell is that guy in the chair talking about? This is lame but some parts were good. Too bad it's pacing is terrible and action scenes way too gratuitous. It was cool when all of a sudden these guys started doing ninja stuff every once in a while, but doing it every damn second? it just loses its special quality... *(a star for belluci's rack) If I want nothing but action scenes and maybe a minute of story, I'll watch an 80s cartoon.

Revolutions

Now this is more like it. I wish I could see the fight at the end. What were they thinking by making them wear black at night. This is like an anime orgy. I liked the big robot battle and that's basically it. ** for the robot battle.

X-men wins.

[ILuvCyclops]

fan of both, but x-men is my favourite out of both

[JeetKuneDo]

You overstate my point. X-Men is a high quality franchise. The actual quality of the film is definitely a factor in it leading this pole (of course), I'm simply suggesting that a general love for X-Men in general is an equal or greater factor.

While there are certainly some who generally like the X-Men franchise more, (I for instance, as an X-Men fan, prefer the Hulk movie to X-Men 1 or 2 everyday of the week) I simply feel that most of the favoritism is due to the X-Men mythos, not to anything notable the actors or filmmakers did.

I could be wrong of course, however, my point, due to the nature of motivation and polling cannot easily be proven true or false. Even if every polled member spoke their mind, it doesn't prove their actual motivation, especially since motivations for preferences are often hidden from the prefferer, much less the poller.

You may be right in a different way than you think.

I voted X-Men because I enjoyed the 2 X-Men movies more than the 3 Matrix movies. I do feel that the first Matrix is one of the very best sci-fi movies ever made. But the sequels are so bad that I have to be honest and say I never feel the urge to watch the first one again. (I own it) The sequels actually ruined the first one for me.

Now...as to the way we feel. If you are an X-Men fan...doesn't it stand to reason that you will enjoy an X-Men movie more than a movie about something else? That is just the way you are wired. That particular story is going to push your buttons more than a story like the Matrix.

You're not being influenced by your love of the X-Men, you are being totally honest.

I thought the Hulk movie was horrible...but I still own it and would rank it on my personal list above other movies that are considered better. I will watch Hulk before I'll watch Citizen Kane again. (I don't watch Hulk often...almost never...but that is still more often than I'll watch Kane.) That's because the Hulk simply interests me more than Kane's story. (Plus I find Kane incredibly overrated.) I'm not being dishonest in any way...I truly think Hulk is a more entertaining movie than Kane. To me...that is the "truth".

[Prognosticator]

Good idea above.. check it out:


The Matrix - *****
X-Men - **
The Matrix is a perfect 5 star in every way. X-Men had snippits of parts or performances that didn't suck. No glue to hold it together.

The Matrix: Reloaded: ****1/2
X2: ****
The Matrix Reloaded. Also perfect 5 star in every way. Sadly, the film is not a complete one, and the need to have it not end leads to a question in the grading. Had the resolution been as great as the start, then it would obviously be a 5 star all the way. This was not the case, so it's knocked down half. X2 also has problems with it's end. Namely, it drags, and it lacks.... something. I really can't quite place it, but the bits at the base just conjure up feelings of X1 for me- and that's never a good thing.

The Matrix: Revolutions: ***1/2
X3: Bad vibes, yet unfair to judge at this point, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and call it a 4 star, just for arguments sake: ****
The third Matrix pushes the SFX and the performances given by the actors over the past two films to perfection. Unfortunately, this time, the story fumbles in a big way.

So, adding them up, even with a generous 4 star for X-Men 3, you get the following:

Matrix: 5 + 4 1/2 + 3 1/2 = 13
X-Men: 2 + 4 + 4 = 10

Matrix is the clear winner, even with me being overly generous to what I feel will be a bad film, X3. Look at it this way... even if X3 is a perfect, 5 star film, then it can go toe to toe with the first Matrix(except that it really can't, because damn near nothing can.) Let's put Reloaded and X2 on the same level, again, for arguments sake. So the question would come down to, what is better, Revolutions or X1... and even with it's story problems, it is clearly Revolutions.
No matter what you do, Matrix wins it.


He's cracked the Matrix's code and the argument! g'job Rez!

[Chris Wallace]

Why do both sides insist on acting like their INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS are gospel fact?!? Why can't it simply be "I prefer X-Men" or "I prefer The Matrix"?

[TimDrake64x]

i prefer x-men

[Chris Wallace]

But you get what I'm saying, right? All this "Matrix wins it" & "X-Men beats Matrix", LIKE YOU'VE PROVEN SOMETHING! All you can say with any certainty-apart from B.O. numbers (&even that doesn't mean anything) is that you personally like one more than the other.

[Trevor Goodchild]

Exactly.
Those are only just your individual opinions. No point for any math. The moment you begin analyzing you already know the answer because you simply feel drawn closer to one than the other. It’s all about what you alone like, what is closer to your heart. Not the ‘quality’, presumed simply out of the film’s popularity.
I myself enjoy both franchises and, despite of what endless flaws I can point out in any of them, I am more forgiving. And I can bring up even more points why I like them but at the end I simply can’t decide because they are really that different. And it depends on my current mood.
So now I voted for the Matrix just for the heck of it. Maybe it’s because it has been on my mind lately.
Once I see X3 I’ll probably vote for the X-Men.

[zanos]

Both franchises are lame.

[tzarinna]

Matrix

[Mr. Socko]

I liked the first two Matrix movies. The last sucked horribly. So Xmen wins.

[Chris Wallace]

Wins What? Where's The Prize?

[Kevin Roegele]

X2 fumbles the third act.

:up:

ABSOLUTELY.

1. The X-Men hit Stryker's base too early, and end up wandering around and wasting time. It's the final battle, Singer, make the film FASTER and MORE EXCITING. Rev it up.

2. Wolverine's fight with Deathstrike was gotten out of the way too soon. Singer should have put it at the very end, just as the other X-Men are trying to escape the base. It's the climactic fight, it should be at the climax.

3. Stryker escapes too soon, and you end up with THREE final confrontations with Stryker (one with Magneto and two with Wolverine!).

[Kevin Roegele]

Wins What? Where's The Prize?

The prize is box office takings and DVD sales.

[psycho]

In my opinion the X-men franchise is better.

[Warhammer]

X-Men over The Matrix franchise, but I like both.
I also agree alot with Kevin Roegele's posts above. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

Although X-Men Is Also Winning This Poll Something Fierce. I Guess That Counts For Something.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i dont see how the sequels shat over the first matrix films. its not like the first film was mind bending or anything. the whole damn thing pretty much explains. the world anderson was living inm werent real and was fabricated by robots. where anderson was really in a huge hive of eggs. and the real people were there all the long and they contacted mr.anderson. hugo weavings character was a virus. the seuels did a pretty good job, they served as a hero versus villain trying to kill the "real world". i dont know what so mind numbing about the first film.


btw the matrix is better than all x movies.( yes ive seen X3)

[Chris Wallace]

But You Didn't Like The First Two.

[Chris Wallace]

And Come To Think Of It, Didn't You Say You Didn't Plan On Seeing X3?

[Sentinel X]

The Matrix sequels were dissapointing but in all honesty Matrix 1>X1 and X2

I havent seen X3 yet so I cant say

[deathshead2]

The matrix was neat for a sci-fi film but it tired way to hard to be smarter than it was.It also had 2 other movies that were mind-numbinly dumb. I enjoy the x-films much better that and I saw them with my dad and he liked them which is really rare to see.

[Trevor Goodchild]

Hey, now that I’ve seen X3 I feel the need to say:
Tim, be it intuitively or coincidentally, in my opinion you chose two trilogies not so different from each other after all. They may have different messages and philosophies but their structures are the same, much like the Lord of the Rings too.
And now I can say that I don’t regret my previous vote.
No matter the pluses and minuses both franchises have, some of which are similar, the Matrix feels much more satisfying and rounded up. X3 couldn’t handle the large amount of information it tried to squeeze into the short length it had and ultimately it achieved very little. All those plots might’ve been the perfect choice for this movie but they were simply not explored enough for me to care about any of them, contrary to most Matrix characters. Made me feel like I was watching a Matrix: Revolutions kind of story with a Matrix: Reloaded kind of resolution, if you get my meaning.
So there you have it, that’s my opinion, entirely based only on my own experiences and preferences.

PS: I’m not judging the success of X1 and X2 just by the failure of X3, I’m simply viewing them all together as a trilogy compared to the Matrix trilogy. I agree that perhaps the X-Men movies aren’t supposed to be viewed as such but, hey, that’s what we were promised, no?

[Sandman138]

:up:

ABSOLUTELY.

1. The X-Men hit Stryker's base too early, and end up wandering around and wasting time. It's the final battle, Singer, make the film FASTER and MORE EXCITING. Rev it up.

2. Wolverine's fight with Deathstrike was gotten out of the way too soon. Singer should have put it at the very end, just as the other X-Men are trying to escape the base. It's the climactic fight, it should be at the climax.

3. Stryker escapes too soon, and you end up with THREE final confrontations with Stryker (one with Magneto and two with Wolverine!).

Outside of number three I completly disagree. The climax was not a physical combat, and the movie was better off for that. The climax is they have the chance to end all of it and go home, but Magneto decides to do to the humans what was done to them. That was much more powerful for me than Wolverine's fight. I was cheering for Magneto while he tried to commit genocide and that scared me. To make revolutionary ideology like that so appealing is not always that easy and Singer pulled it off well. However, having so many confrontations with Stryker at the end weakened all three of them.

[captain_jimbo]

Matrix was convoluted and lame. Plus it had Keanu. Nuff said!

Yeah, it's the only trilogy that gets worse and worse. Really boring!:mad:

[Spoarz™]

I was not impressed with The Matrix trilogy, I found it pretty boring to be quite honest.

The X-Men trilogy, though it has its flaws (shafting Cyclops way too bloody much) and may not be the perfect translation of the comic book, I still really love the movies. There are some wonderful moments throughout the trilogy, an excellent cast and some amazing acting. James Marsden's performance at the end of X2 is just tremendous and moving. :cyclops: :up:

[Isildur´s Heir]

The Matrix trilogy

The Matrix, the first one, is better than X2, the best of the X-Men movies.
X2 is an amazing movie, but The Matrix is one of the finest of the 90´s.
Revolutions and Reloaded vs X-Men and X-Men 3....the Matrix wins, by a nail, and the blame goes to X3.

The sad thing is, X-Men could have been a lot better, if done properly.

[Prognosticator]

So i thought now would be a great time to resurrect this thread! but i see others had the same idea. now i just have to figure out which way i want to go with this one...

[Timstuff]

X-men = A very solid trilogy
Matrix = The first one was great, but the sequels got progressively worse until it was crap.

[Prognosticator]

Okay, i see people are skating away from X3 in a blurred hurry... If anything, I think X3 brings more to the table than the original! But alas, The Matrix wins out due to running times...

Matrix, 2hr, 20min; Reloaded: 2hr, 15-20min; Revolutions: 2hr, 10min...

X-Men: 1hr 05mins, X2: 2hrs, 12mins, X3: 1hr, 10mins...

(I had to throw a little sarcasm in somewhere:) I feel X3 redeemed the franchise from the original a bit, but i'm STILL on the fence over how i feel about X3, so Matrix definitely gets the cake!

[Chris Wallace]

WHAT'S RUNNING TIME GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? Longer does not mean better.
Well, having now seen X3, I wish I could vote for X-Men again. :)

[TimDrake64x]

yaa man sorry but i think the running thing is crap. i loved x3, i think its the best of the 3 and i feel content with the end unlike i did with the matrix and like johnny deep says "the end is the most important part" (secret window)

[Trevor Goodchild]

That I absolutely agree with.
Revolutions ended it all, X3 ended nothing. :p

[Cinemaman]

The Matrix had 2 crapy movies, X-Men has only one.

So I voted for X-Men, because I liked 1st and 2nd films.