What if Spider-man creates the Symbiote himself?

[The Kid]

I just had an idea today while scanning through the manips thread. There are lots of manips in there of venom that show him wearing the same black suit as spidey and this started me thinking back to superman 3. Remember how Superman turned to evil and as he did more bad stuff his suit got darker?

We know Raimi's been homaging and even joking about superman in the last two films:

-The shirt rip. :supes:

-"You're not superman, you know."

-Him losing his powers and becoming normal again in the second movie.

What if we see something similar to superman 3 in that Spidey becomes corrupted by his own powers. Maybe someone creates a device or whatever that triggers it like red kryptonite does for supes. Then he loses his old personality, starts dating gwen stacy and doing bad stuff like setting buildings on fire and not saving anybody from them this time. And everyone starts hating spider-man like Goblin said they would.

This is a different spidey who loses his powers if he's really sad. So all I'm saying is maybe he could have another new power, a new power that creates this second personality and what if he gives topher's character a vampire bite or some sort of blood transfusion and that's how topher becomes his evil self... no that's a bad idea. What if spidey vomits out some black ooze from within him instead? Ok I'm done, what do you think?

[dr venture]

^ i don't like that idea at all

[Jubba]

i thought this thread would be about peter actually being a scientist and making the symbiote himself somehow in a lab...that i could handle more than what you suggested...but if that's what they end up doing, i'll still see the movie and still like it i'm sure...buit i do think wearing the symbiote will make him think bad thoughts and go after the wrong girls and treat bad guys in a meaner way than usual

[Demon Within]

I just had an idea today while scanning through the manips thread. There are lots of manips in there of venom that show him wearing the same black suit as spidey and this started me thinking back to superman 3. Remember how Superman turned to evil and as he did more bad stuff his suit got darker?

We know Raimi's been homaging and even joking about superman in the last two films:

-The shirt rip. :supes:

-"You're not superman, you know."

-Him losing his powers and becoming normal again in the second movie.

What if we see something similar to superman 3 in that Spidey becomes corrupted by his own powers. Maybe someone creates a device or whatever that triggers it like red kryptonite does for supes. Then he loses his old personality, starts dating gwen stacy and doing bad stuff like setting buildings on fire and not saving anybody from them this time. And everyone starts hating spider-man like Goblin said they would.

This is a different spidey who loses his powers if he's really sad. So all I'm saying is maybe he could have another new power, a new power that creates this second personality and what if he gives topher's character a vampire bite or some sort of blood transfusion and that's how topher becomes his evil self... no that's a bad idea. What if spidey vomits out some black ooze from within him instead? Ok I'm done, what do you think?

I bet Doc conners will be the one "making" the symbiot. There not going the outer space route and conners is already in the movies timeline so no new character to establish. It makes to much sense not to do it.

[Spencer9]

I would go outer space route, but no your idea is crap

[The Kid]

I wood too but not many think aliens would fit into spider-man movies so why not follow superman's story a little?

I don't think it's all crap...
We saw last time that spidey's powers are glitching so this would be a natural continuation of that. Spiders do create venom...

[Red]

Spidey Kryptonite?

[Visionary]

This idea should be burned by Hell's fire..and Hell's fire alone.:mad:

[Silver Sable]

No.Hands down

[The Kid]

ok. But i'm using some reason here that I think is good and that seems to be what Raimi's using too. PLUS:

* The suit is just his normal one but darker. This leads me to believe it literally is just his normal one but darker, similar to superman's in superman 3.


* Evil dead 3. Ash vs Evil Ash. Maybe spidey has a similar problem... and Brock of course recieves the evil part of spider-man later because both hate the good spider-man and the Spidey's evil can't survive on its own...

I like this.

[Nebins]

So how would Brock get this new version of Venom. Spidey puking it up or biting Brock is just rediculous. The idea itself is not at all bad but its such a stretch from the original Venom that I think no one would like it.

[Hellrider]

I hope they dont do the superman thing ... I dont like it... Its just not a good idea.

[The Kid]

yeah it's stupid.

But I still like the idea.:mad:

Venom = spidey discharge.

[DroolingforGwen]

Maybe a stupid idea... but where do you fit an asteroid jamming into the earth in an already jam packed movie... the Jameson mission will not happen... my guess is that Connoers already has it in his lab (maybe and asteroid reference as far as origins) and has Gwen and Peter help him examine it... or atleast Peter

[Mr. Vice]

Venom = spidey discharge.

That's signature-approved right there:D

*Falls to the ground, laughing more than Christopher Nolan after watching Batman and Robin*

[Cmill216]

Maybe a stupid idea... but where do you fit an asteroid jamming into the earth in an already jam packed movie... the Jameson mission will not happen... my guess is that Connoers already has it in his lab (maybe and asteroid reference as far as origins) and has Gwen and Peter help him examine it... or atleast Peter

Asteroids = Things from space

Things from space include meteors

Meteors = Meteor Showers

Meteor Showers = Smallville

Smallville = Superman

Superman = Superman movies

Superman movies = .... ;)

[Spider-Bite]

I don't like that idea.

A while ago I had an idea where perhpas spider-man got sick for a while, and he like shedded or sweat the symbiote out of himself, but I didn't even like that idea that I had either.

[Murder]

I think they might go with both the space and lab. ideas together. I always thought of the black suit as a Bacteria or a Virus. We call it a suit but technically it's just an organism that picks a compatible host and feeds off it. While taking over it, it grants the host new abilitys or added abilitys. Like when Eddie is Venom, he could websling because the organism has memory and it learned the technique from Peter and now can recreate the act.

I would like it if they had it that the alien needed a host to grow and reproduce. Not that it's just a super-powered organism. But this would explain how offspring are made like Carnage. Maybe they will go this way. I don't know.

Since Day 1 I Said: Maybe they will go through the route of the government gets a sample of Spideys blood and tries to use it to create another "Spiderman". ( I mean come one... In real life if a guy could web-sling, the men in black would be there in ten minutes trying at all cost 24/7 to catch him). But I think this route has to many holes in it like why or how would Spidey get a suit on him that was made from him. Kinda fishy. Cheers!

[sag002]

Umm, here's an idea. Maybe he'll find the symbiote in a Kinder Surprise! (sheesh)

[Silverstein]

Weyseed, that's an awesome idea. So you're saying like, Peter kind of does something and becomes darker and darker, possibly just imagining Venom and Brock? Like Topher is in his head? That's awesome. I had a similar idea about Gwen Stacey's apperance in the films. That would definately be cool but I guess some people would see it as cliche or something...

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

I think they should go with either of the 2 origins. Meteorite or created in a lab by Peter and Eddie's parents. If they do go with the lab experiment idea i bet it would be another OSCORP accident.

[Nebins]

Maybe a stupid idea... but where do you fit an asteroid jamming into the earth in an already jam packed movie... the Jameson mission will not happen... my guess is that Connoers already has it in his lab (maybe and asteroid reference as far as origins) and has Gwen and Peter help him examine it... or atleast Peter

Jameson could already be in space at the start of the movie and crash in the first 10 minutes. We can figure it out by news coverage on TV of the ship out of control or dialogue between some characters. That can all easily be fit into the movie.

[Spawn187]

ok. But i'm using some reason here that I think is good and that seems to be what Raimi's using too. PLUS:

* The suit is just his normal one but darker. This leads me to believe it literally is just his normal one but darker, similar to superman's in superman 3.


* Evil dead 3. Ash vs Evil Ash. Maybe spidey has a similar problem... and Brock of course recieves the evil part of spider-man later because both hate the good spider-man and the Spidey's evil can't survive on its own...

I like this.




Dude remember why they made spidey shoot webs from his wrist in stead of making the webshooters himself. And that should tell you why your idea would never work.

[Abaddon]

I think they might go with both the space and lab. ideas together. I always thought of the black suit as a Bacteria or a Virus. We call it a suit but technically it's just an organism that picks a compatible host and feeds off it. While taking over it, it grants the host new abilitys or added abilitys. Like when Eddie is Venom, he could websling because the organism has memory and it learned the technique from Peter and now can recreate the act.

I would like it if they had it that the alien needed a host to grow and reproduce. Not that it's just a super-powered organism. But this would explain how offspring are made like Carnage. Maybe they will go this way. I don't know.

Since Day 1 I Said: Maybe they will go through the route of the government gets a sample of Spideys blood and tries to use it to create another "Spiderman". ( I mean come one... In real life if a guy could web-sling, the men in black would be there in ten minutes trying at all cost 24/7 to catch him). But I think this route has to many holes in it like why or how would Spidey get a suit on him that was made from him. Kinda fishy. Cheers!


Which is why we call it a symbiote.:o

[-Knightfall-]

I do like the idea of Spidey vomiting up the symbiote, but only if its when he tries to get rid of it.

[Visionary]

^You mean turd it out? :O

[The Kid]

Dude remember why they made spidey shoot webs from his wrist in stead of making the webshooters himself. And that should tell you why your idea would never work.

Believability? I know. But that's a little moot.

My idea is stupid and such. However, it may explain why the costume is only black and not a different costume. I like the idea of venom actually being spidey's venom, unfortunately that may mean we don't get the venom from the comics but something else... maybe a mutated topher beast. It could have some plausibility in the movie-version of spidey. The deal is how does venom come to be and how does spiderman get it, and we all want to know. This would answer both sort-of. Venom will be darth vader inside Peterkin Parkwalker and over spider-man three we'll see him slowly engulfed into his dark side, but MJ pulls him out of it and he discharges the venom.

I mean. Who on this board expected spidey to have Mood-powers in spidey 2?

Along with the parallels to the superman movies, I really think there may be some real ground for this theory to stand on. :mad: grrr

[Abaddon]

I respectfully disagree,Weyseed.:)

[Dcknight]

WHAT IF THERE IS NO SYMBIOTE! ...........(it's only in my dream i think...)

[The Kid]

I think there's a symbiote. It's just might not be fully created in a lab, but somehow is turded out by spider-man as a side-effect of his unnatural genetic mutation. Someone could make spidey sick, give him a disease, a virus, something...

Well I'm just throwing this idea out there.

If this does happen in the movie though, I'll bump this and lmao at all of you who think it won't... just like how all the venom doubters are eating their favorite brand of crow mixed with humble pie and served in their own hats right now.

[Abaddon]

I dont think we'll have to worry about that.

[str8raz0r]

No offense, but I'm not feeling the idea. Somehow, Spider-Man being practically 100% "responsible" for Venom takes away a lot of his impact and motivation.

Venom works because it's the collision of two characters who were "hurt" by Parker/Spidey, the symbiote moreso than Brock. Their paranoia leads to their psychosis and their physical appearance (a monstrous Spider-Man parody).

If you turn Brock into the victim of an STD (Spidey Transmitted Disease! *rimshot*), it seems forcefully ironic. The irony that Spider-Man's attempt at "freeing" himself from the symbiote would create an enemy that causes him endless grief is pretty slick. Somehow, S-M chomping down on Brock like a Spider-Zombie or being a mutation of his own powers just reeks of The Other...

And we sure as hell don't want that, do we?

[Kryptonite]

Superman 3 sucked...

[ragdus]

Brock is going to figure out how spidey came to be, and duplicate the process. He'll let himself get bitten by a/the spider. Maybe he'll even bust into Parker's digs and steal a suit and just dye it black.

I know that sounds a bit anti-climatic but who knows? Up until this point the films have been about as realistic as one could expect them to be. Now we're getting a guy made of sand and a living puddle of oil taking over Peter? It's getting too X-Files-ish for me.

[The Kid]

Damn they closed the nonsense thread so when I clicked post, my whole rant got deleted.

Basically what I said was that this is the board for the discussion of SM3. ALL DISCUSSION. There's no rule that 'only teh spoilerz' can be discussed. I think it's for everything related to sm3 + spoilers. So this topic is in no way out of bounds... ok, maybe a little out of bounds but it's still ok.

I guess that's why it wasn't locked.

ragdus, that's sort-of what I'm thinking too. Spidey nor brock might be wearing a symbiote. Maybe it's all mental like the goblin and somehow brock recieves spider-man's venom and becomes Venom at the end of the movie.

[Spiderpig]

Having a crappy day is no excuse for germinating an evil persona of yourself and then vomiting him out to wreak havoc on the entire city.

That's why we have therapists and alcohol to deal with our problems.

[Symbiotica]

..... Where is Veneers when you need him? :)

[Spiderpig]

..... Where is Veneers when you need him? :)He's probably kitting up as we speak.

Soapbox - check
Overlong speech - check
Violin - check

[Symbiotica]

He's probably kitting up as we speak.

Soapbox - check
Overlong speech - check
Violin - check

That sure beats -

Random speculation: check.
Silly idea: check.
Shameless sychophantism: check.
"Spoilers" that are in no way actual spoilers, or even relevant: check.

[The Kid]

huh? Who's Veneers, Sym?

[Spiderpig]

That sure beats -

Random speculation: check.
Silly idea: check.
Shameless sychophantism: check.
"Spoilers" that are in no way actual spoilers, or even relevant: check.:D True, but anyone who can work vampires into a Venom theory deserves some sort of accolade.

[Spiderpig]

huh? Who's Veneers, Sym?Check the Nonsense thread.

[The Kid]

Oh yeah, that thread. I forgot about it.

[The Kid]

That sure beats -

Random speculation: check.
Silly idea: check.
Shameless sychophantism: check.
"Spoilers" that are in no way actual spoilers, or even relevant: check.

Check
check
check... sychophant I am.

But I'm still glad my idea got some view instead of it just being stuck in my head forever.

[The Squirrel]

I just had an idea today while scanning through the manips thread. There are lots of manips in there of venom that show him wearing the same black suit as spidey and this started me thinking back to superman 3. Remember how Superman turned to evil and as he did more bad stuff his suit got darker?

We know Raimi's been homaging and even joking about superman in the last two films:

-The shirt rip. :supes:

-"You're not superman, you know."

-Him losing his powers and becoming normal again in the second movie.

What if we see something similar to superman 3 in that Spidey becomes corrupted by his own powers. Maybe someone creates a device or whatever that triggers it like red kryptonite does for supes. Then he loses his old personality, starts dating gwen stacy and doing bad stuff like setting buildings on fire and not saving anybody from them this time. And everyone starts hating spider-man like Goblin said they would.

This is a different spidey who loses his powers if he's really sad. So all I'm saying is maybe he could have another new power, a new power that creates this second personality and what if he gives topher's character a vampire bite or some sort of blood transfusion and that's how topher becomes his evil self... no that's a bad idea. What if spidey vomits out some black ooze from within him instead? Ok I'm done, what do you think?

HELL NO!

[ObakeTora]

heres how they should do it

open the movie with a voice over...

and aftter Mary Jane I joined other heroes to partake in this great war...

open camera

Petes got a new ffin suit!

[ElectroFlare]

I can see Peter Parker creating the symbiote himself in a lab, as just a better costume for himself. Now that he's with MJ, and she's the actress pulling in more money, Pete will have time and money to put into the suit/symbiote. Or maybe with Conners in the lab...but that brings up the point that Conners would know about the symbiote then. Somehow Pete creating it in that way could be cool.

It could also show the intelligence factor that was missed by using organics instead of mech web shooters...

[vegeta21]

Sorry dude, not digging your idea. I think an interesting idea for the symbiote would be for it to be an advanced military technology used for covert missions, as it could change one's appearance at the command of one's thought. However, due to the fact that it seems to have a mind of its own the project is abandonned by the military and somehow the prototype ends up on Spider-Man.
Just a thought.

[The Kid]

I think that might eliminate its need to bond with a host though. if it's Miliatary tech like a nano tech thing, then I think it'll just swirl around doing stuff all day on its own without Brock to help it. My epic idea is that it's like that thing that got into Ash in evil dead 3 and then separated from ash, kicked ashes ash all over that little windmill house, and ran off to become evil ash. It tries taking full control of spidey but he denies it that and finds a way to get it out of him; and since it can't survive without a host, it finds brock and gives him spidey's organic web powers and becomes an evil spider-man with mutant fangs and sharp teeth. That'll be awesome. Topher will be like a ware-spider-man.

[KALEL114]

I just had an idea today while scanning through the manips thread. There are lots of manips in there of venom that show him wearing the same black suit as spidey and this started me thinking back to superman 3. Remember how Superman turned to evil and as he did more bad stuff his suit got darker?

We know Raimi's been homaging and even joking about superman in the last two films:

-The shirt rip. :supes:

-"You're not superman, you know."

-Him losing his powers and becoming normal again in the second movie.

What if we see something similar to superman 3 in that Spidey becomes corrupted by his own powers. Maybe someone creates a device or whatever that triggers it like red kryptonite does for supes. Then he loses his old personality, starts dating gwen stacy and doing bad stuff like setting buildings on fire and not saving anybody from them this time. And everyone starts hating spider-man like Goblin said they would.

This is a different spidey who loses his powers if he's really sad. So all I'm saying is maybe he could have another new power, a new power that creates this second personality and what if he gives topher's character a vampire bite or some sort of blood transfusion and that's how topher becomes his evil self... no that's a bad idea. What if spidey vomits out some black ooze from within him instead? Ok I'm done, what do you think?
No.

[Mister Gone]

The only way that a Spidey creates Venom kind of thing would really be is if Spidey caused an accident that created the right situation for Brock to get ahold of the Symbiote. Just like Spidey saving Ock from death but in turn allowing the circuit to be fried out and turing him crazy.

[The Kid]

No.

yes

[jimmylace]

seeing as these movies are sans-web shooters, it would be a nice way to show is scientific genius and add a nice twist to the story

[sp1derb1te]

i want to know how they are going to switch to the gwen stacy storyline. after all he just finally got with MJ

[The Kid]

Ok here's how I think we may see it done at the end of spidey 3. You can't say no to this.:spidey:

First:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7343/venommaker0mi.gif
Then:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3872/grrtophertough6xn.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ok here's how I think we may see it done at the end of spidey 3. You can't say no to this.:spidey:

First:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7343/venommaker0mi.gif



I think I'm gonna be sick...

[Spiderpig]

Ok here's how I think we may see it done at the end of spidey 3. You can't say no to this.:spidey:
I didn't think it was possible but this idea is now worse than it was 10 minutes ago.

[The Kid]

What is your theory then? I gave you all mine and it got raped, now tell me yours.

[Spiderpig]

What is your theory then? I gave you all mine and it got raped, now tell me yours.Mine involves a cat and 7kg of cocaine.

[The Kid]

I can't say I don't like that.

Harry starts using cocaine because his father's dead and he ruined his business, but he buys a bad batch one day and inside his package he finds the symbiote. Then a cat springs out of no where, knocking his bag of cocaine out of his hands and onto peter who walks through the door to say hi. That might work.

[Arcturus]

I think the symbiote will be created when as batch of silly putty, turkey gravy and a bunch of antidepressants get mixed together and then exposed to gamma rays.

[Abaddon]

Ok here's how I think we may see it done at the end of spidey 3. You can't say no to this.:spidey:

First:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7343/venommaker0mi.gif



LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Mister Gone]

I really don't think that Spidey will "birth" Venom. He may have some hand in the events that lead to it's cration/discovery.

[Goran]

Ok here's how I think we may see it done at the end of spidey 3. You can't say no to this.:spidey:

First:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7343/venommaker0mi.gif


:D :up: that would be a way to go... ^^

[Mister Gone]

It's certainly a possability