how would you guys feel if they killed off nick fury

[GoldenAgeHero]

i mean the 616 nick fury and replaced them with someone else, no not with a black guy who looks like samuel jackson. so how would you guys feel?

[deemar325]

It would suck.

Fury is like the glue of Marvel.

[The_Mystery]

I wouldn't mind. I'd just be waiting for Nick Fury: Rebirth.

[deemar325]

By Geoff Johns.

[Varient]

i mean the 616 nick fury and replaced them with someone else, no not with a black guy who looks like samuel jackson. so how would you guys feel?
sigh.
i wouldn't like it.

[GoldenAgeHero]

what if they replaced him with magneto, (he gives up is magneto persona, and decided to work with the government.

[Varient]

what if they replaced him with magneto, (he gives up is magneto persona, and decided to work with the government.

Nope.

W/O his powers Magneto is a wimp compared to Nick Fury.

[Gambit8370]

I didn't like it the first time that they killed Nick Fury.

Doing it a second time would be pretty frickin' redundant, eh?

He's Nick Fury, not Jean Grey.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Nope.

W/O his powers Magneto is a wimp compared to Nick Fury.

i said he'll give up his maneto persona not his powers. he'll be adressed by his real name, and not magneto. thats what i meant.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I didn't like it the first time that they killed Nick Fury.

Doing it a second time would be pretty frickin' redundant, eh?

He's Nick Fury, not Jean Grey.

i dont think it's redundant. if they killed him a second time for good.

[deemar325]

Fury is the glue!

I hate that agent Hill character.

[Elijya]

Been done before. Always easily undoable. Guy's got a billion LMDs

[KingOfDreams]

no thanks

[Elijya]

Best Fury line ever was in Bendis' DD:

DD: Fury, how'd you get in here?
Fury: What, are you kidding me? I'm a spy. In fact, I'm, THE spy!

[deemar325]

LMD's Fury is in the clear.

[Vanguard07]

I Love Fury as a character. I agree with Deemar. Fury is the glue that holds a large part of Marvel together. Fury is Shield. If fury dies shield should die too. and washington with it.... ... and maybe Switzerland.

[Gambit8370]

i dont think it's redundant. if they killed him a second time for good.
Killing a character is a slap in the face to every creator who worked on the character and every fan who ever bought a comic because of that character.

It just seems like you're suggesting killing a character for the single intent of quenching some sick fanboy bloodlust.

The Magneto suggestion is a complete bulls**t about-face of the principles of the character. What are you Bendis? Magneto would never lead a SHIELD type organization. Do a little research. These characters have over 40 years of history which have reinforced the principles of the character. Go read Uncanny X-Men #150, a defining moment for the character. Then come back here and tell us how he would be running SHIELD again.

(shakes head)

Kids nowadays...:rolleyes:

[Elijya]

Killing a character is a slap in the face to every creator who worked on the character and every fan who ever bought a comic because of that character.

I completely disagree

-Phoenix
-Gwen Stacy
-Barry Allen


etc. etc.

[Gambit8370]

Okay really now.

Who the hell was buying Amazing Spider-Man because of Gwen Stacy?

Let's have a show of hands...

[Elijya]

so it doesn't match your criteria literally. The point is, she was a massively important character, and her death heightened that

[Gambit8370]

She never had her own comic.

Neither did Jean.

The Barry Allen was pretty much because the character was stagnated by a string of bad writers.

Enter self-sacrificing death scene and turning over the legacy to the next generation.

Re-igniting the popularity of the franchise.

The Flash is dead! Long live the Flash! The Flash is dead again! Long live the Flash again!

Jean is dead! Long live Madelyne! Jean is back! Jean is dead again! Jean is back again! Dead agai... whoops aliv... DAMNIT! I can't keep track! Long live Rachel and Emma!

Avengers Disassembled! New Avengers Assemble! New Avengers Disassemble! Long live Hawkeye!

I betcha a hundred bucks the pattern follows the pits and peaks of the sales charts.

[Darthphere]

Dont kill Nick, kill Agent Hill....what a crappy character.

[BrianWilly]

Unless you suggest a good reason for Nick Fury to be killed off and replaced, this question is pretty silly. Why would we want to kill off a character unless we didn't like him or her? You might as well be asking, "Do you guys like Nick Fury or not?" And even then, it's not a particularly good reason for spontaneously offing a long-time character.

[ShadowBoxing]

She never had her own comic.

Neither did Jean.

The Barry Allen was pretty much because the character was stagnated by a string of bad writers.

Enter self-sacrificing death scene and turning over the legacy to the next generation.

Re-igniting the popularity of the franchise.

The Flash is dead! Long live the Flash! The Flash is dead again! Long live the Flash again!

Jean is dead! Long live Madelyne! Jean is back! Jean is dead again! Jean is back again! Dead agai... whoops aliv... DAMNIT! I can't keep track! Long live Rachel and Emma!

Avengers Disassembled! New Avengers Assemble! New Avengers Disassemble! Long live Hawkeye!

I betcha a hundred bucks the pattern follows the pits and peaks of the sales charts.Jean initial death was in no way a slap in the face, and she was extremely beloved being Cyclops primary love interest (remember Cyclops used to be that books Wolverine) and much of the story revolved around her and him together. However the death lives on as one of the most emotionally impacting stories in comics.

[Darthphere]

Jean initial death was in no way a slap in the face, and she was extremely beloved being Cyclops primary love interest (remember Cyclops used to be that books Wolverine) and much of the story revolved around her and him together. However the death lives on as one of the most emotionally impacting stories in comics.


Which time was this?

[deathshead2]

I could really care less if he dies.

[Gambit8370]

However the death lives on as one of the most emotionally impacting stories in comics.
That has been bastardized into the butt of a thousand X-Men jokes and Mulligan re-do's.

The turnip's been dead for 25 years, but Marvel's still digging up the corpse every couple of sales-dry-spells to squeeze the last drops of blood-dust out of it.

Personally, I don't want to see any more Marvel characters turned into dead-again(!?!?) jokes.

[deathshead2]

That has been bastardized into the butt of a thousand X-Men jokes and Mulligan re-do's.

The turnip's been dead for 25 years, but Marvel's still digging up the corpse every couple of sales-dry-spells to squeeze the last drops of blood-dust out of it.

Personally, I don't want to see any more Marvel characters turned into dead-again(!?!?) jokes.I still wonder what happened to Joe Q's dead means dead.:(

[ShadowBoxing]

Which time was this?initial means first

[ShadowBoxing]

That has been bastardized into the butt of a thousand X-Men jokes and Mulligan re-do's.

The turnip's been dead for 25 years, but Marvel's still digging up the corpse every couple of sales-dry-spells to squeeze the last drops of blood-dust out of it.

Personally, I don't want to see any more Marvel characters turned into dead-again(!?!?) jokes.Crappy writing or rehashing or old storylines is in no way reflective of the origin

[Gambit8370]

Crappy writing or rehashing or old storylines is in no way reflective of the origin
Tell that to the guy who errors and shows Spider-Woman flying and then in order to justify it re-writes her origin story.

Gee, I wonder... :rolleyes:

Who would do THAT?

[Vanguard07]

Unless you suggest a good reason for Nick Fury to be killed off and replaced, this question is pretty silly. Why would we want to kill off a character unless we didn't like him or her? You might as well be asking, "Do you guys like Nick Fury or not?" And even then, it's not a particularly good reason for spontaneously offing a long-time character.

And even when you dont like a character it doesnt mean they should be killed off. Personally i hate Emma Frost as a character but thats half the fun. she's fun to hate. I dont want her character to die i'd just prefer they did something else with her.
Fury's kind of the same way. He's a real dirty bastard sometimes but that makes his stories interesting. They should do something to shake things up with him but Death is a pretty blunt literary tool. I'd prefer to see something a little more crafty.

[jaydawg]

I honestly wouldnt care.

[Cyclops]

I still wonder what happened to Joe Q's dead means dead.:(

Celebrity happened to it.

"Dead means dead? I'm Joss Whedon, damn it! I'm fifty times more famous than your most famous Marvel staffer, which I know isn't saying much, but it still means I'm above your petty rules!"

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be annoyed if Nick Fury died. SHIELD would basically be dead in the water.

I'd give up on even the slightest glimmer of hope for political realism in Marvel's comics if Magneto, of all people, took over for him, too. I can just see that approval meeting:

"An international terrorist whose ultimate goal is total genocide of the human race? Genius! Hell, we should've put him in charge of SHIELD years ago!"

[Cyclops]

If Hudlin was writing it, he'd have his T'Challa impostor take over SHIELD and replace everybody with black people.

And Quesada would absolutely love the idea.

[Varient]

If Hudlin was writing it, he'd have his T'Challa impostor take over SHIELD and replace everybody with black people.

And Quesada would absolutely love the idea.
Ick.

Hudlin is not THAT BAD.

Stop it.

[Bullseye]

Everyone in the Marvel Universe hates Fury. If anything Secret War proved it.

[UK_Stu]

No Fury shouldn't be killed, why? And what would it achieve?

I couldn't think of anything worse than Magneto replacing him - what a dumb idea

[TheCorpulent1]

Ick.

Hudlin is not THAT BAD.

Stop it.
His Black Panther and MK Spider-Man were both pretty damn bad when I was reading them...

[Bullseye]

Yes, very bad. Very bad.

[Harlekin]

I like Nick Fury so I wouldn't like to see him die.

[DBM]

I'd be uber-pissed. Nick Fury is my favorite character.

[Darthphere]

We need a Nick Fury and SHIELD book. C'mon Marvel. It wouldnt hurt if Steranko was involved somehow, maybe doing covers at least.:(

[3dman27]

what panther impostor?
maybe they shoud ditch the mace windu clone the ultimates are passing off as fury

[Darthphere]

what panther impostor?
maybe they shoud ditch the mace windu clone the ultimates are passing off as fury


Or ditch the whole universe he exists in....one can dream.

[Vanguard07]

I didnt mind the Ultimate U at first when it was just a modern rehashing. Then they started changing some of the fundamental characters' personalities. Making Collossus gay for example was the final straw for me. Ultimate U isnt getting a single cent more from me.

[ShadowBoxing]

Tell that to the guy who errors and shows Spider-Woman flying and then in order to justify it re-writes her origin story.

Gee, I wonder... :rolleyes:

Who would do THAT?Okay, you hate Bendis great....what he does today does not take away or detract from the greatness or impact of the original...unless he found some way to go back to 1980 and make the Phoenix Saga crap, it wouldn't make Jean Grey's first death a slap in the face to fans.

[jaydawg]

I didnt mind the Ultimate U at first when it was just a modern rehashing. Then they started changing some of the fundamental characters' personalities. Making Collossus gay for example was the final straw for me. Ultimate U isnt getting a single cent more from me.
But Gay Colossus is at least a 1000x better character than regular Colossus. I mean, he actually has a personality in the Ultimate Universe.

[Vanguard07]

If you were within arm's reach I would hit you.
Collossus is friggin great. His personality in Ultimate U is that of an insecure depressed emo kid. Collossus in 616 is a hero through and through. He's got his artistic kind and gentle side as well as his caged animal. You claim Collossus has no personality I say you are most assuredly mistaken.

[jaydawg]

Depressed emo kid? What the hell comics have you been reading?

[Varient]

If you were within arm's reach I would hit you.
Collossus is friggin great. His personality in Ultimate U is that of an insecure depressed emo kid. Collossus in 616 is a hero through and through. He's got his artistic kind and gentle side as well as his caged animal. You claim Collossus has no personality I say you are most assuredly mistaken.

Here here.

I enjoyed him from the time he was introduced.

I LOL at the issue introducing Kitty Pryde,.... In the Drug Store where Logan was looking at a centerfold and the look of shock and surprise on Peters face as he looked over Logans shoulder,....

The Proteus run where he decided to kill.

The Savage Land Run,... where he Fathered a Son,.... who should be a bit older by now.

All that mess with his sister,...........



And then his Older brother.

He's the Xman I Identified with the most,... Big strong Silent.




Peace.

[32CAGE]

Dont kill Nick, kill Agent Hill....what a crappy character.

Great point. Hill sucks and i would be extremely p o'd if Nick was offed. I don't see it happening. He's a legend.

[Mr. Green]

How did they bring Fury back in the first place?

The Fury Max series was cool.

And I think Agent Hill is a good, well written character, because the writers want you to hate her. And you know what? We ALL ****ing hate her guts!

And that brings me to my final point... Agent Hill is the reason that Fury won't die. (Any time soon anyway...)

[TheCorpulent1]

I've heard Fury's MAX series was just this side of used toilet paper.

[Mr. Green]

Well you heard wrong then. :o

[Cyclops]

Ick.

Hudlin is not THAT BAD.

Stop it.

Yes he is. And come on. If he can get away with destroying T'Challa and replacing him with someone else entirely, Quesada'd let him do anything.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who'd he replace T'Challa with?

[Themanofbat]

so it doesn't match your criteria literally. The point is, she was a massively important character, and her death heightened that

Actually, Gwen was destined to become a stagnant character the moment Stan Lee decided to kill her father and made it look like it was Spider-Man's fault.

Gwen then became this two-dimensional character that hated Spider-Man, which tore Peter apart.

Perhaps another writer could have evolved her character beyond that, but a young Gerry Conway was not that great a writer, so he had her killed (with some nudging from Romita Sr.)

ASM #121 & 122 may have elevated her status, but between those books and ASM #90, she was becoming bland & prosaic.

[Elijya]

I'll take your word for it, since that's a period I'm unfamiliar with (aside from Morbius and the whole 6 arms thing).

Yeah, another writer could have evolved her into more of a character, but I don't think she would nearly have been as important a symbol then

[Cyclops]

Who'd he replace T'Challa with?

He replaced T'Challa with "T'Challa", who has a different origin and a different personality.

Read Christopher Priest's Black Panther and then Hudlin's and try to tell me that those two are the same character.

[TheCorpulent1]

I would, but then I'd have to read Hudlin's BP. :(

[Cyclops]

I bought one issue, read a few others, and just felt it was a disgrace to the great book that Chris Priest crafted not too long ago so I dropped it like a burning hot ball of smoldering crap.

[Cyclops]

I've heard Fury's MAX series was just this side of used toilet paper.

It's alright if you forget that this character is supposed to be Nick Fury and pretend that he's just some random guy with an eyepatch.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe it was really about Dirk Anger. ;)

[Cyclops]

I dunno. The instant I read Nick Fury taking his handicapped nephew to the zoo and fantasizing about pushing his wheelchair into the tiger pit and watching the tigers maul him to death, I realized that I wasn't reading a Nick Fury story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow. Sounds like the toilet paper theorists were correct after all.

[Cyclops]

I personally thought it was a load of horse-****, and that Garth Ennis is overrated.

[TheCorpulent1]

Garth Ennis doesn't really get Nick Fury's character and doesn't really care to. He portrayed him pretty badly in Punisher, too. Literally every time Nick Fury appeared he'd either be with whores or he'd mention whores. For no reason. Somehow "leader of an international espionage agency" equates to "man who must loves him some whores in every situation."

[DBM]

Garth Ennis is one of those people who doesn't understand that Nick Fury is a hero. Yes, he leads an espionage organization, and yes he's willing to do what it takes for the greater good, but he's still a hero.

Very few people seem to get that about Fury. They find it much easier to write him as a villain.

[Vanguard07]

Hey who doesnt love them some whores?
No but seriously. Fury's a really cool character. He's "a wartime general" on the side of good. He's always gonna be a hero but he's gonna be a manipulative scumbag in order to get his heroing done.
The manipulative, devious and/or inethical stuff he pulls is only for a greater good. Other questionable behavior (for example copious ammounts of whores) is out of character for him.

[Grim Goblin]

Hey who doesnt love them some whores?
No but seriously. Fury's a really cool character. He's "a wartime general" on the side of good. He's always gonna be a hero but he's gonna be a manipulative scumbag in order to get his heroing done.
The manipulative, devious and/or inethical stuff he pulls is only for a greater good. Other questionable behavior (for example copious ammounts of whores) is out of character for him.

I don't know about that, like you said he is a "wartime general" so whores might not be that far out of character for him :p.

[Darthphere]

Its Colonel Nick Fury.

[gildea]

Garth Ennis is one of those people who doesn't understand that Nick Fury is a hero. Yes, he leads an espionage organization, and yes he's willing to do what it takes for the greater good, but he's still a hero.

Very few people seem to get that about Fury. They find it much easier to write him as a villain.


Thats a good point about fury.

However i don't think garth ennis misunderstands him as such doesn't try to understand him and uses his name for a different character that he's created over in the punisher-verse.

Heck his current fury mini is a MILLION miles away from his first one. He's not even TRYING to be consistant.

Personally i just enjoy them as soldier stories rather than fury stories (for the most part his fury is a soldier proxy after all).

[gildea]

I personally thought it was a load of horse-****, and that Garth Ennis is overrated.



read preacher?

[Darthphere]

read preacher?


Every dog has his day.:o

[gildea]

Every dog has his day.:o

He's had several days though ;)

war stories?

punicher : born? (best punisher story ever IMO).

Preacher was too consistantly brilliant to discard as luck. Arguably the best ongoing vertigo has produced.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's kind of been retreading Preacher's themes in most of his other work that I've read, though. Not that that's a bad a thing, necessarily.

[Kurosawa]

Killing a character is a slap in the face to every creator who worked on the character and every fan who ever bought a comic because of that character.

It just seems like you're suggesting killing a character for the single intent of quenching some sick fanboy bloodlust.

The Magneto suggestion is a complete bulls**t about-face of the principles of the character. What are you Bendis? Magneto would never lead a SHIELD type organization. Do a little research. These characters have over 40 years of history which have reinforced the principles of the character. Go read Uncanny X-Men #150, a defining moment for the character. Then come back here and tell us how he would be running SHIELD again.

(shakes head)



Kids nowadays...:rolleyes:

:up: :up: :up:

[Anubis]

Kill Fury?!? Are you freakin crazy?!?! Oh wait, GAH started this thread, nevermind.

[TheCorpulent1]

Fury got a cool mention in Captain America this week. :up:

[Cyclops]

read preacher?

No, and I don't care to.

Even if Preacher is really good, it doesn't mean that Garth Ennis isn't overrated.

[gildea]

No, and I don't care to.

Even if Preacher is really good, it doesn't mean that Garth Ennis isn't overrated.


It's not so much good, it's seminal.

A tad unfair to call someone over-rated when you haven't read what practically everyone rates him on.

And you're really missing out btw.

[gildea]

He's kind of been retreading Preacher's themes in most of his other work that I've read, though. Not that that's a bad a thing, necessarily.


Um can you expand on that? (genuinely curious)

Don't really see much of preachers themes in the punisher myself.