New Lex Article at IGN.com

[Superman4ever]

I thought this was so cool!

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/701/701987p1.html

Superman Returns: The New Lex Luthor
Let us introduce you.
by Steve Head
April 18, 2006 -

He's one of the all-time, quintessential arch enemies. He's maniacally determined. He has a quick mind, a sly sense of humor, an eye for style (albeit outlandish), and no conscience. As nemesis extraordinaire in Superman Returns, Lex Luthor will implement a series of threats that reach beyond Metropolis. Beyond America. And if it all goes to plan: kill Superman. Sounds like the perfect role for Kevin Spacey. It's "the kind of character that's more fun for him," says director Bryan Singer. "Each thing he's doing is so funny, or so strange, or sinister, that it's just fun and for him. It's a joy."



For this new incarnation of Lex Luthor, Spacey was the first choice, right from the start. "We'd always written that role with him in mind," says Singer. "He's an old friend and this is a great opportunity for all the obvious reasons."

Spacey, whose prior collaboration with Singer was his Oscar-winning performance in The Usual Suspects, was almost unable to commit to Superman Returns due to a scheduling conflict. The filmmakers worked overtime, reworking the shooting schedule to adhere to Spacey's six week window of opportunity. "Bryan would prefer to shoot in continuity, but and we didn't have that luxury," says producer Chris Lee. The producers also tried to shift the shooting schedule for Hugh Laurie, who was originally cast as Perry White, but it didn't work. For Spacey, however, they were fortunate. "We made it work. And I think he'll be the definitive Lex."

In fact, when Spacey arrived in Sydney, Australia, they started filming him, proto. "He'd just gotten off the plane and everything," says Singer. "He was a total trooper about it.

As Lex, Singer says Spacey is "Very thoughtful about it" and cares a lot about creating his own version of the character. Kate Bosworth, who stars as Lois Lane, and who co-starred with Spacey in Beyond the Sea, says his philosophy about playing a character that's been played by other actors is: "You should just know the heart and soul of the character. You take it and make it your own and that's what the defines the character now. It's what you do now."

For Lex, style, of course, is key. He has his "pimp" look, says production designer Guy Dyas. He has his "safari/hunting" look, says costume designer Louise Mingenbach. However, what Spacey made his own was Lex's hairstyle, or lack thereof. No curly wig, a-la Gene Hackman. Spacey went for the chrome dome. "He shaved it off," says Singer. "Which was, I'll tell you, very strange."

"He never wears that curly wig," says Dyas. The original script had a line that referred to a curly wig. "Bryan was concerned that if we went too comical with Lex it would take away all of the fear of his character. The idea that he was going to be sort of a clown dressed up in a curly wig, and do the whole campy Gene Hackman thing, didn't work for Bryan at all. [Spacey's decision to go bald was] a great decision. He's a very scary individual. He plays the role so beautifully, it's incredible. He's chilling on screen."

The first time Singer saw Spacey as Lex Luthor, "I completely didn't recognize him. I was walking towards my trailer in the park, and I'm looking this guy staring at me standing by a tree. I thought he was a crewmember, someone I'd never seen before. I keep walking and he's staring me at me all the way and I'm like, 'AHHH!' It was him!"

Now, you might ask, what sort of malevolence is Lex devising to bring down Superman? Without delving into spoiler material, one thing we can tell you is: Lex sort of… kind of... perhaps maybe wants a piece of that valuable Kryptonian crystal he's been hearing about. To that end, he puts together a team. Kal Penn, (who plays Lex's go-to computer guy, Stanford) will only say, there's "five of them. It's sort of a unit. There's inner workings here and there, but I won't say." However, to keep you on your toes, Parker Posey (who plays Lex's gal-pal Killy) says, Lex is "someone who can go under disguise and be anyone he wants to be."

Lex will incite trouble, and lots of it. "There will be no lack of intensity," says Singer."It'll probably be PG 13. I don't think you'll be disappointed at all in the level of intensity."

[Pickle-El]

NICE. All who called a Hackman portrayal, say I....Seems like Spacey is going to take Lex to the next level. Can't wait to see this.

[Superman4ever]

NICE. All who called a Hackman portrayal, say I....Seems like Spacey is going to take Lex to the next level. Can't wait to see this.

Yeah it sounds great. Along with this, the Weta statue and the Showest description he is sounding/ looking like a total badass! :up: :)

http://www.wetanz.com/collectibles/images/Galleries_500h/32/image_2_500h.jpg

That's just a crazy look that gives me chills...:D

[Metropolis_Man]

Great article! I like the bit in the hidden text. I can't wait to see whats going on with that. Nice work.

[Pickle-El]

Oh, and did everyone catch that bit about Stanford? :o

[Showtime]

"He never wears that curly wig," says Dyas. The original script had a line that referred to a curly wig. "Bryan was concerned that if we went too comical with Lex it would take away all of the fear of his character. The idea that he was going to be sort of a clown dressed up in a curly wig, and do the whole campy Gene Hackman thing, didn't work for Bryan at all. [Spacey's decision to go bald was] a great decision. He's a very scary individual. He plays the role so beautifully, it's incredible. He's chilling on screen."

[Metropolis_Man]

Oh, and did everyone catch that bit about Stanford? :o

Where hes the computer tech guy?

[Naite22]

Good find!

Do you guys think that we'll see the GREEN CRYSTAL!!!???.. so far it is no where to be seen in pics or anything.. I really think that they should have it in returns.. But we've only seen Lex holding clear crystals...

[Agnarr]

Sweet. It sounds like we'll finally get the "dark" Lex we've been waiting for. I've always thought of him as evil, but a psychopath? Sounds like it: "Psychopath: A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse."

[Metropolis_Man]

I think I'm definately going to favor this Lex much more than Hackmans. I still would like to see the social LexCorp Lex instead of the antisocial guy. Thats just my pick though, I think Spacey's version is going to be very scary and will come off very well on screen.

[sevinw0rds]

that's definitely one of the better articles in recent months, great find, dude. Still find myself spacing out (seriously, no pun intended) in anticipation of this movie :supes:

[PSU442]

from the spoiler paragraph, it sounds like we'll be getting some of the brilliant Lex Luther Super-Planning we saw in the first film (stealing the missle codes, etc.)

[batman44]

I had a feeling Kal was gonna be a computer guy. Kinda funny, I remember when I said that awhile back, some people got all defensive. N E Ways, I can't wait to see Spacey portray Lex, I expect great things with his performance.

Nice article, thanks for posting.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I mentioned this before, but I'll do so here since I feel it applies.

An acquantence came over recently and we were discussing Superman Returns. His interest really has jumped up lately and I was surprised at how excited he actually seemed to be now about the movie.

However, one of his complaints was that Spacey is too recognizable, and people won't see Lex but instead Spacey.

Of course, I told him that Hackman was pretty big in the 70's from many good movies (French Connection, The Conversation, etc.) but that didn't stop people from buying into his characterization.

Plus, arguably the most acclaimed and respected actor of all times was playing Superman's real dad!

[batman44]

^ Well, Spacey is that kind of actor that just melts into a role.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

^ I agree! It was one of the best decisions the production has made and I think the thing you hear the least complaints about.

[Superman4ever]

Oh, and did everyone catch that bit about Stanford? :o

Yup! I also love the quote, from Kitty, at the very end (Parker Posey says, Lex is "someone who can go under disguise and be anyone he wants to be."). I think that quote foreshadows a lot of what's to come with Lex’s characterization in this movie. I’m thinking mad scientist meets corporate mogul, and giving us a much adorned public image.

Adding to the equation a world that doesn't need a Superman is going to lead to one great showdown...

[Asgard]

Cool, I just hope they dont play that goofy music when they first introduce Lex that was in STM.

[Agnarr]

I hope not. I repressed that. The only thing I was mostly enjoying during the Hackman moments was Valerie Perrine and her ample cleavage. Looks like we won't be getting any campy side kicks like Otis, either, thank God.

[Showtime]

Cool, I just hope they dont play that goofy music when they first introduce Lex that was in STM.

The Otis Theme.

[Metropolis_Man]

Yup! I also love the quote, from Kitty, at the very end (Parker Posey says, Lex is "someone who can go under disguise and be anyone he wants to be."). I think that quote foreshadows a lot of what's to come with Lex’s characterization in this movie. I’m thinking mad scientist meets corporate mogul, and giving us a much adorned public image.

Adding to the equation a world that doesn't need a Superman is going to lead to one great showdown...

YES!! I like your words. I didn't even think of Lex's (disguises) as being the good public image. I was thinking of different looks and costumes and what not. Man, can't wait to see it.

[Showtime]

Isn't there a strange Lex figure that has dreadlocks?

[Whack Arnolds]

Isn't there a strange Lex figure that has dreadlocks?I think that's just a prototype. But that figure is supposed to be a henchman of Lex's...and I think Mattel is keeping a secret on what it will look like, so they just used the Spacey head scan and put sloppy dreads on it.

Anyway, Lex looks like a complete badass in this flick. And I'm glad to hear he won't be like that Ronald McDonald clown from the first few movies... :up:

[Showtime]

I think that's just a prototype. But that figure is supposed to be a henchman of Lex's...and I think Mattel is keeping a secret on what it will look like, so they just used the Spacey head scan and put sloppy dreads on it.

Anyway, Lex looks like a complete badass in this flick. And I'm glad to hear he won't be like that Ronald McDonald clown from the first few movies... :up:

You mean Bozo the Hackman? He was good in his time, I quite enjoyed him in the Superman movies, but when I watch Otis now I cringe.

[Whack Arnolds]

You mean Bozo the Hackman? He was good in his time, I quite enjoyed him in the Superman movies, but when I watch Otis now I cringe.Maybe it was because I just saw the movies last year for the first time...but there was maybe a scene or two where I didn't cringe, out of all four movies, the rest of the time I was gritting my teeth.

I think Spacey adds a sinister presense, and these manical eyes that would bring such power to the role of Lex Luthor.

[Showtime]

Maybe it was because I just saw the movies last year for the first time...but there was maybe a scene or two where I didn't cringe, out of all four movies, the rest of the time I was gritting my teeth.

I think Spacey adds a sinister presense, and these manical eyes that would bring such power to the role of Lex Luthor.

All I can tell you is that when I am watching Lois and Superman fly off together and sing, I feel like I want to delete that scene with scissors.

[DocLathropBrown]

I think Gene Hackman's Luthor in I and II (Don't count IV, for the love of God) was fantastic. Brilliant mind used for evil. And his sense of humor was very wry. I don't think Hackman's performance was bad at all. However, Spacey's going a step further and going to do Hackman's Luthor but much darker. We know from various sources that Luthor in SR has a wry, twisted sense of humor, like Hackman's, and for that, I am glad.

Funny how people see Hackman's performance as campy. In IV, yes. Otherwise, I never found it campy. Campy would be playing it straight though he's an idiot or truly goofy, like Adam West's Batman. But Gene's Lex was playing it straight to the morons around him. Hackman gave us a very twisted and cunning villain, and I think people tend to forget that.

Looking at him in the first film, especially his scenes alone with Reeve were very well played, and I found him genuinely cunning and imposing, in a way.

[Mentok]

However, what Spacey made his own was Lex's hairstyle, or lack thereof. No curly wig, a-la Gene Hackman. Spacey went for the chrome dome. "He shaved it off," says Singer. "Which was, I'll tell you, very strange."

"He never wears that curly wig," says Dyas. The original script had a line that referred to a curly wig. "Bryan was concerned that if we went too comical with Lex it would take away all of the fear of his character. The idea that he was going to be sort of a clown dressed up in a curly wig, and do the whole campy Gene Hackman thing, didn't work for Bryan at all.

Suck on that all you people who complained that a blog shows that Lex wears a hairpiece in the film and that his character is campy AND that Singer wants a campy film :down

[DocLathropBrown]

Suck on that all you people who complained that a blog shows that Lex wears a hairpiece in the film and that his character is campy AND that Singer wants a campy film :down

AMEN!

[Whack Arnolds]

All I can tell you is that when I am watching Lois and Superman fly off together and sing, I feel like I want to delete that scene with scissors.Yeah. But you don't want to hear my evaluations on the original Superman movies. People here would go up in arms if they heard what I have to say about them. At least we will be getting a serious Superman movie, with great talent surrounding it in 'Superman Returns'. Although I still wish they went with a full out re-start ala Batman Begins. But this will do. :up:

[Showtime]

I would say the same thing, but apparently I defend Singer and Routh to much.

[Showtime]

Yeah. But you don't want to hear my evaluations on the original Superman movies. People here would go up in arms if they heard what I have to say about them. At least we will be getting a serious Superman movie, with great talent surrounding it in 'Superman Returns'. Although I still wish they went with a full out re-start ala Batman Begins. But this will do. :up:

Apparently I can't say anything, because I just got flamed for about 3 pages by Oldguy for supposedly misrepresenting your opinion in the casting post, even though you knew it was all in good fun.

That being said, there are alot of people that have huge issues with the Superman movies. I didn't at the time, but now watch them and cringe at some scenes.

[Oldguy]

I thought this was so cool!

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/701/701987p1.html

Superman Returns: The New Lex Luthor
Let us introduce you.
by Steve Head
April 18, 2006 -

He's one of the all-time, quintessential arch enemies. He's maniacally determined. He has a quick mind, a sly sense of humor, an eye for style (albeit outlandish), and no conscience. As nemesis extraordinaire in Superman Returns, Lex Luthor will implement a series of threats that reach beyond Metropolis. Beyond America. And if it all goes to plan: kill Superman. Sounds like the perfect role for Kevin Spacey. It's "the kind of character that's more fun for him," says director Bryan Singer. "Each thing he's doing is so funny, or so strange, or sinister, that it's just fun and for him. It's a joy."



For this new incarnation of Lex Luthor, Spacey was the first choice, right from the start. "We'd always written that role with him in mind," says Singer. "He's an old friend and this is a great opportunity for all the obvious reasons."

Spacey, whose prior collaboration with Singer was his Oscar-winning performance in The Usual Suspects, was almost unable to commit to Superman Returns due to a scheduling conflict. The filmmakers worked overtime, reworking the shooting schedule to adhere to Spacey's six week window of opportunity. "Bryan would prefer to shoot in continuity, but and we didn't have that luxury," says producer Chris Lee. The producers also tried to shift the shooting schedule for Hugh Laurie, who was originally cast as Perry White, but it didn't work. For Spacey, however, they were fortunate. "We made it work. And I think he'll be the definitive Lex."

In fact, when Spacey arrived in Sydney, Australia, they started filming him, proto. "He'd just gotten off the plane and everything," says Singer. "He was a total trooper about it.

As Lex, Singer says Spacey is "Very thoughtful about it" and cares a lot about creating his own version of the character. Kate Bosworth, who stars as Lois Lane, and who co-starred with Spacey in Beyond the Sea, says his philosophy about playing a character that's been played by other actors is: "You should just know the heart and soul of the character. You take it and make it your own and that's what the defines the character now. It's what you do now."

For Lex, style, of course, is key. He has his "pimp" look, says production designer Guy Dyas. He has his "safari/hunting" look, says costume designer Louise Mingenbach. However, what Spacey made his own was Lex's hairstyle, or lack thereof. No curly wig, a-la Gene Hackman. Spacey went for the chrome dome. "He shaved it off," says Singer. "Which was, I'll tell you, very strange."

"He never wears that curly wig," says Dyas. The original script had a line that referred to a curly wig. "Bryan was concerned that if we went too comical with Lex it would take away all of the fear of his character. The idea that he was going to be sort of a clown dressed up in a curly wig, and do the whole campy Gene Hackman thing, didn't work for Bryan at all. [Spacey's decision to go bald was] a great decision. He's a very scary individual. He plays the role so beautifully, it's incredible. He's chilling on screen."

The first time Singer saw Spacey as Lex Luthor, "I completely didn't recognize him. I was walking towards my trailer in the park, and I'm looking this guy staring at me standing by a tree. I thought he was a crewmember, someone I'd never seen before. I keep walking and he's staring me at me all the way and I'm like, 'AHHH!' It was him!"

Now, you might ask, what sort of malevolence is Lex devising to bring down Superman? Without delving into spoiler material, one thing we can tell you is: Lex sort of… kind of... perhaps maybe wants a piece of that valuable Kryptonian crystal he's been hearing about. To that end, he puts together a team. Kal Penn, (who plays Lex's go-to computer guy, Stanford) will only say, there's "five of them. It's sort of a unit. There's inner workings here and there, but I won't say." However, to keep you on your toes, Parker Posey (who plays Lex's gal-pal Killy) says, Lex is "someone who can go under disguise and be anyone he wants to be."

Lex will incite trouble, and lots of it. "There will be no lack of intensity," says Singer."It'll probably be PG 13. I don't think you'll be disappointed at all in the level of intensity."

Like say a paramedic, or a truck driver?

Glad to see he won't be wearing a wig. I hope he plays it nice and mean.

[MatchesMalone]

I think Gene Hackman's Luthor in I and II (Don't count IV, for the love of God) was fantastic. Brilliant mind used for evil. And his sense of humor was very wry. I don't think Hackman's performance was bad at all. However, Spacey's going a step further and going to do Hackman's Luthor but much darker. We know from various sources that Luthor in SR has a wry, twisted sense of humor, like Hackman's, and for that, I am glad.

Funny how people see Hackman's performance as campy. In IV, yes. Otherwise, I never found it campy. Campy would be playing it straight though he's an idiot or truly goofy, like Adam West's Batman. But Gene's Lex was playing it straight to the morons around him. Hackman gave us a very twisted and cunning villain, and I think people tend to forget that.

Looking at him in the first film, especially his scenes alone with Reeve were very well played, and I found him genuinely cunning and imposing, in a way.

:up: :up: :up:

Also, everybody who thinks there will be NO wigs should watch the blog titled "Bespoke" again. He will wear wigs and disguises, they just won't be the goofy curly wig.

[Metropolis_Man]

All I can tell you is that when I am watching Lois and Superman fly off together and sing, I feel like I want to delete that scene with scissors.

Good, I thought maybe it was only me that didn't like that.

[Showtime]

Good, I thought maybe it was only me that didn't like that.

It's awful. If I see a scene like that in Returns I am going to run out of the theater.

[Oldguy]

:up: :up: :up:

Also, everybody who thinks there will be NO wigs should watch the blog titled "Bespoke" again. He will wear wigs and disguises, they just won't be the goofy curly wig.

He won't wear a wig out of vanity, that's the difference.

[DocLathropBrown]

It's awful. If I see a scene like that in Returns I am going to run out of the theater.

No offense, but that'll mean another seat for someone who'll appreciate it. I see nothing wrong with that scene, and I'm nineteen.

[Showtime]

I heard he really had hair, but was wearing different bald wigs?

[Showtime]

No offense, but that'll mean another seat for someone who'll appreciate it. I see nothing wrong with that scene, and I'm nineteen.

Oh no, it has nothing to do with age I don't think. Of course I wouldn't really run out of the theater, I will piss my pants just stay there if I have to. Just like I did with Batman Begins...:O

I don't think there is anything wrong with the flying scene itself. I think it's great up until the little poem starts. Just didn't work for me. :(

[Whack Arnolds]

The scene is just too corny. I mean, chick just meets him, and isn't just infactuated or intrigued with him...but she's saying she loves him. And everything about the scene seems so phony... it just doesn't seem genuine. But it tries to make it seem truly genuine, and it feels awkward to watch. Haha, get what I mean?

[DocLathropBrown]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the flying scene itself. I think it's great up until the little poem starts. Just didn't work for me. :(

Nothing wrong with poetry. But if she'd said it out-loud to him, that wouldn't have been very good at all.

[Whack Arnolds]

Not to mention Margot Kidder is ass ugly, and why would a Superman want to date a fugly chick like that? lol

[Whack Arnolds]

Nothing wrong with poetry. But if she'd said it out-loud to him, that wouldn't have been very good at all.Dude, it's his opinion. Respect it, and don't try to change his mind. It obviously didn't sit well with him, as well with a few others here.

[DocLathropBrown]

The scene is just too corny. I mean, chick just meets him, and isn't just infactuated or intrigued with him...but she's saying she loves him. And everything about the scene seems so phony... it just doesn't seem genuine. But it tries to make it seem truly genuine, and it feels awkward to watch. Haha, get what I mean?

People with experience will tell you.... that's what love is. Sometimes, a love is so powerful that it starts the moment you meet someone. And besides, wouldn't you be mystified if the guy saved your life and had the power to take over the world? Nothing corny about it.

Frankly, if it's corny, than so is love.

[DocLathropBrown]

Dude, it's his opinion. Respect it, and don't try to change his mind. It obviously didn't sit well with him, as well with a few others here.

Who said I wasn't respecting his opinion? I respectfully disagree. Nor am I trying to change his mind, I know that never works, nor do I care, either. Can't a guy just state why he disagrees?

[MatchesMalone]

He won't wear a wig out of vanity, that's the difference.

Too true.

And, one of the few times I have heard you defend an aspect of this film.

Oldguy, you bring tears to my eye. No, wait, that's the ether.

[Showtime]

I think it is very corny. I don't like that part at all. It follows a great scene between Lois and Superman on the roof. Great dialogue and great chemistry. Then they take of for a spin, still very good. Then the Lois thought process starts and I am just over it.

I just forward the rest of the scene now, I just can't watch it.

[Oldguy]

Apparently I can't say anything, because I just got flamed for about 3 pages by Oldguy for supposedly misrepresenting your opinion in the casting post, even though you knew it was all in good fun.

That being said, there are alot of people that have huge issues with the Superman movies. I didn't at the time, but now watch them and cringe at some scenes.

http://www.technoplus.com/images/crying_baby.gif

My hatred of Superman Movies, in order of appearance.
1) Marlon Brando refering to his home as the planet Cripten.
2) Young Clark Kent running next to the train.
3) The ****ing sky poem.
4) Otis, although I do enjoy seeing him abused so I guess he serves a purpose.
5) Hackman's vanity wig.
6) Superman giving up his powers.
7) Superman holding up a layer of frozen lake by the edge.
8) The entire Quest for Peace.

[Showtime]

People with experience will tell you.... that's what love is. Sometimes, a love is so powerful that it starts the moment you meet someone. And besides, wouldn't you be mystified if the guy saved your life and had the power to take over the world? Nothing corny about it.

Frankly, if it's corny, than so is love.

I agree love is corny, and I know there is a metaphor to be found somewhere in that scene, but I just don't feel like it fits.

[Oldguy]

Too true.

And, one of the few times I have heard you defend an aspect of this film.

Oldguy, you bring tears to my eye. No, wait, that's the ether.

BBBLLLuuuuuuuuuuuuee VVVVVEEEEEEELLLLLLLVVVeeeeeeeetttttttteeeeeee.

[Whack Arnolds]

People with experience will tell you.... that's what love is. Sometimes, a love is so powerful that it starts the moment you meet someone. And besides, wouldn't you be mystified if the guy saved your life and had the power to take over the world? Nothing corny about it.

Frankly, if it's corny, than so is love.Do you have experience with love, Doc?

[MatchesMalone]

I heard he really had hair, but was wearing different bald wigs?

Gene Hackman refused to shave his head, and also refused to be seen bald in the film. As a compromise, Donner put him in various wigs throughout the film, and insisted on only one scene (the final scene at the prison) where LEx must be bald. Hackman agreed.

A funnier story is how Donner convinced (some say tricked) Hackman into shaving his mustache for the role. Hackman refused, originally, to do that as well. You can hear the amusing story straight from the horse's mouth on the STM DVD commentary.

[Showtime]

http://www.technoplus.com/images/crying_baby.gif

My hatred of Superman Movies, in order of appearance.
1) Marlon Brando refering to his home as the planet Cripten.
2) Young Clark Kent running next to the train.
3) The ****ing sky poem.
4) Otis, although I do enjoy seeing him abused so I guess he serves a purpose.
5) Hackman's vanity wig.
6) Superman giving up his powers.
7) Superman holding up a layer of frozen lake by the edge.
8) The entire Quest for Peace.

First off, how did you get my baby picture? It even has my head?

Are those in order or just your top 10? I am thinking that the sky poem and Otis are one and two. I always hated the frozen lake bit as well.

[Showtime]

Gene Hackman refused to shave his head, and also refused to be seen bald in the film. As a compromise, Donner put him in various wigs throughout the film, and insisted on only one scene (the final scene at the prison) where LEx must be bald. Hackman agreed.

A funnier story is how Donner convinced (some say tricked) Hackman into shaving his mustache for the role. Hackman refused, originally, to do that as well. You can hear the amusing story straight from the horse's mouth on the STM DVD commentary.

I remember that story from the commentary, I am so slow that I only recentely discovered all the commentary about 6 months ago.

[Oldguy]

First off, how did you get my baby picture? It even has my head?

Are those in order or just your top 10? I am thinking that the sky poem and Otis are one and two. I always hated the frozen lake bit as well.

Nope, in order of appearance.

[Metropolis_Man]

Gene Hackman refused to shave his head, and also refused to be seen bald in the film. As a compromise, Donner put him in various wigs throughout the film, and insisted on only one scene (the final scene at the prison) where LEx must be bald. Hackman agreed.

A funnier story is how Donner convinced (some say tricked) Hackman into shaving his mustache for the role. Hackman refused, originally, to do that as well. You can hear the amusing story straight from the horse's mouth on the STM DVD commentary.

Correct. If you look really close too at the end, you can see where the hair is sticking out a bit, and the bald cap isn't completely closed in the back. I remember watching that commentary as well, thought it was pretty funny myself. Donner and a fake moustache, classic.

[MatchesMalone]

http://www.technoplus.com/images/crying_baby.gif

My hatred of Superman Movies, in order of appearance.
1) Marlon Brando refering to his home as the planet Cripten.

Don't forget Sarah York, she pronounced it that way in SII. Really, that picky?

2) Young Clark Kent running next to the train.

:confused:

Wow, I thought it was a great scene.

3) The ****ing sky poem.

Gotta agree with you there. I loved everything about that scene until she started that damn voice-over. I just mute it now and play the original score track on the DVD during that scene. It works MUCH better.

And, hey, we could have had Kidder singing that bit. That's what they originally planned.

4) Otis, although I do enjoy seeing him abused so I guess he serves a purpose.

I loved everything about the villains three. Otis was hilarious.

5) Hackman's vanity wig.

The curly wig was a bit too much.

6) Superman giving up his powers.

Donner's cut is MUCH better about this.

7) Superman holding up a layer of frozen lake by the edge.

Any movie with Richard Pryor in it automatically becomes a comedy.

"Laser beams shootin outta his EYES, man!"

8) The entire Quest for Peace.

A very sad story of budgets cut in half, producers dropping out, and our poor hero trying to pick up the pieces. But a horrible film, I grant you.

[Mentok]

I hate Clark running with the train :down

[Showtime]

Quest for peace does have that great line...I wish you could all see the world the way I see it..blah blah blu.

[Whack Arnolds]

Yeah, his running motion makes me want to laugh. The original movies in general make me laugh. Not much to take seriously...apart from the most amazing theme song this side of Star Wars...

[Showtime]

Whats these...Star Wars everyone is speaking of?

[MatchesMalone]

Yeah, his running motion makes me want to laugh. The original movies in general make me laugh.

Then they succeeded in one of their many aspects. The films were funny, and were meant to have much humor. A pimp complimenting Superman's fashion sense is not meant to be taken seriously. Of course, neither is Batman joking about Krypto to Superman in the comics.

Not much to take seriously...apart from the most amazing theme song this side of Star Wars...

I'm sorry the film didn't capture your imagination as it did mine, and still does. For me, Superman was never meant to be a completely serious-at-all-times, no-room-for-laughs character or story. Part of the joy of the character for me is his lightness, his sometimes child-like naivete', and his uplifting spirit. I got all that and a lot of fun from STM.

[Showtime]

Then they succeeded in one of their many aspects. The films were funny, and were meant to have much humor. A pimp complimenting Superman's fashion sense is not meant to be taken seriously. Of course, neither is Batman joking about Krypto to Superman in the comics.



I'm sorry the film didn't capture your imagination as it did mine, and still does. For me, Superman was never meant to be a completely serious-at-all-times, no-room-for-laughs character or story. Part of the joy of the character for me is his lightness, his sometimes child-like naivete', and his uplifting spirit. I got all that and a lot of fun from STM.

I love the PIMP!

[DocLathropBrown]

Do you have experience with love, Doc?

Tried a couple of times. True love never happened, despite my hopes.

[Showtime]

Tried a couple of times. True love never happened, despite my hopes.

My girlfriend and I fly from my roof every night. It's not what it's cracked up to be. :O

[DocLathropBrown]

My girlfriend and I fly from my roof every night. It's not what it's cracked up to be. :O

I tried that once, it didn't end well. Broken ribs from the fall, and a slap in the face. She really flipped out when I started reading "The Poem." :p

[Oldguy]

Don't forget Sarah York, she pronounced it that way in SII. Really, that picky?

She did? That *****! Ya, I never said it was rational, but it was like an upity snub to me. Pisses me off.

Wow, I thought it was a great scene.
Never looked natural to me, always looked like he's riding an invisible bike.

Gotta agree with you there. I loved everything about that scene until she started that damn voice-over. I just mute it now and play the original score track on the DVD during that scene. It works MUCH better.

And, hey, we could have had Kidder singing that bit. That's what they originally planned.

Thanks for the tip. The idea of a song makes a poem easier to handle tho.

I loved everything about the villains three. Otis was hilarious.

Yes it definately works, it's just a matter of personal taste for me. I always wanted the purple and green Luthor with power gloves and jet boots from the comics to go toe to toe with him.

Donner's cut is MUCH better about this.

Another reason Im dying to see it.

Any movie with Richard Pryor in it automatically becomes a comedy.

"Laser beams shootin outta his EYES, man!"

Richard Pryor brought an everyman perspective to the narration that helped make SIII the most relateable of all the movies. Where else do you think Waid got the idea for Norman McKay?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAA

A very sad story of budgets cut in half, producers dropping out, and our poor hero trying to pick up the pieces. But a horrible film, I grant you.

I blame Dino De Laurentis, responsible for every ****ty sequel in the eighties.

[Oldguy]

Then they succeeded in one of their many aspects. The films were funny, and were meant to have much humor. A pimp complimenting Superman's fashion sense is not meant to be taken seriously. Of course, neither is Batman joking about Krypto to Superman in the comics.

I'm sorry the film didn't capture your imagination as it did mine, and still does. For me, Superman was never meant to be a completely serious-at-all-times, no-room-for-laughs character or story. Part of the joy of the character for me is his lightness, his sometimes child-like naivete', and his uplifting spirit. I got all that and a lot of fun from STM.

No love for Pryor?

[Showtime]

I tried that once, it didn't end well. Broken ribs from the fall, and a slap in the face. She really flipped out when I started reading "The Poem." :p

Heh Heh :) :up:

[MatchesMalone]

She did? That *****! Ya, I never said it was rational, but it was like an upity snub to me. Pisses me off.

Eh. Marlon Brando was known for doing s*** his own way, and f*** the rest. He never learned his lines. He had cue cards placed around the set for him to read off of during takes. That kind of business. But he sold his farewell to Kal El perfectly, and that is what matters to me.

Never looked natural to me, always looked like he's riding an invisible bike.

I can see that. I was always infected with the joy Jeff East portrayed in that scene, though. The performance really brought it out for me.

An aside, I wish they hadn't decided to overdub Jeff East's dialogue with Reeve's voice.

Thanks for the tip. The idea of a song makes a poem easier to handle tho.

On another plus side, she didn't drive her Buick into the side of the Fortress of Solitude and then blame sunstroke. :up:

Yes it definately works, it's just a matter of personal taste for me. I always wanted the purple and green Luthor with power gloves and jet boots from the comics to go toe to toe with him.

For me, that just wouldn't work very well cinematically. I love it in the comics, and JLU, but I just can't see that coming across on screen convincingly. I would love to be proved wrong, just to get another Superman movie out there.

Another reason Im dying to see it.

You and me both. The end scene is very provocative from a character standpoint.

Richard Pryor brought an everyman perspective to the narration that helped make SIII the most relateable of all the movies. Where else do you think Waid got the idea for Norman McKay?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAA

Man, that Spectre cat really got a bad case of honkitis.

I blame Dino De Laurentis, responsible for every ****ty sequel in the eighties.

:up: :up: :up: The Joel Schumaker of the 80's. EDIT: Wrong Italian.

[MatchesMalone]

No love for Pryor?

I'd rather watch See No Evil, Hear No Evil than Superman III. So...yeah.

[Showtime]

I have a little love for Superman 3, they almost had Braniac and Bizzaro, but couldn't go the extra mile. I always claimed they had that movie written for Hackman's Lex, but just inserted another wealthy hell-bent on destroying Superman and controlling the world.

[Metropolis_Man]

I have a little love for Superman 3, they almost had Braniac and Bizzaro, but couldn't go the extra mile. I always claimed they had that movie written for Hackman's Lex, but just inserted another wealthy hell-bent on destroying Superman and controlling the world.

Agreed, they bascially did throw Braniac and Bizarro in there. And I'd say that the junkyard scene is definately one of the top moments in all four movies for me. And Lex was supposed to be there.

[SuperDaniel]

I actually think "Can you read my mind" is one of the best scenes of the movie. The flying dance shows Superman and Lois magical love. Yes, it is corny. Love is like that. Titanic is movie full of these scenes and the entire world went to see it just because of love. Because i believe love is real and when i see that scene in the movie, i believe both are in love. It is corny. But the whole idea and character of Superman is corny, then!

Well,i guess i don`t have anymore concerns regarding this movie after reading this interview. Lex will be a ****ing badass! Thank god for Singer!

[Octoberist]

Agreed, they bascially did throw Braniac and Bizarro in there. And I'd say that the junkyard scene is definately one of the top moments in all four movies for me. And Lex was supposed to be there.

Did they ever explained why they didn't go ahead with Brainaic and Bizarro?
I remembered in the interview with one of the Salkinds, he said that they had the rights and they WERE in early drafts. What happened?

Anyway, Spacey will rule as Lex!

[dark_b]

spacey will be the best villain.

singer again done it....................he made one of the best comic book movies.now if only there would be a trailer hehehheheheheheheheh :)

p.s. you can not blame the guys who were afraid that the movvie will be campy. they showed in the blogs like he will wear wigs. but this article says that they changed some things about lex.

[true316]

Nice article! :up:

[musclesforsupes]

dAMM!

[Whack Arnolds]

10 to 1 says...

Superman Returns > All Four Original Superman Movies...

[Showtime]

10 to 1 says...

Superman Returns > All Four Original Superman Movies...

You lost me.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

10 to 1 says...

Superman Returns > All Four Original Superman Movies...

Disagree to a certain extent.

Superman 3 & 4, most likely.

Superman 2, possible, but doubtful.

Superman 1, very unlikely.

[Superman4ever]

YES!! I like your words. I didn't even think of Lex's (disguises) as being the good public image. I was thinking of different looks and costumes and what not. Man, can't wait to see it.

:D Thank you kindly...

[musclesforsupes]

Of course this will blow parts 3 and 4 out of the water, however STM doubt it, part II could be just as good if not a little better. Just depends if that kid becomes Son of Kal El which we all know is going to happen.

[Cinemaman]

Very intersting.

[Showtime]

Greater than. I think I am blonde.

[CConn]

SR may be greater than all of the previous films simply because of how dated they've become. As this (very good) article itself mentioned, the old movies' Luthor was comedic and silly, and most of the characters in those films were the same way. So if SR presents everyone in a more serious, updated tone, it will be inherently better, I think.

With that said, if STM was made today (or 3 years ago since SR would be its sequel:o), it would probably be the better movie.

[Showtime]

SR may be greater than all of the previous films simply because of how dated they've become. As this (very good) article itself mentioned, the old movies' Luthor was comedic and silly, and most of the characters in those films were the same way. So if SR presents everyone in a more serious, updated tone, it will be inherently better, I think.

With that said, if STM was made today (or 3 years ago since SR would be its sequel:o), it would probably be the better movie.

It is a bit dated in some ways, but there is a timeless quality to it.

How are the the Met's enjoying Pedro.

[CConn]

It is a bit dated in some ways, but there is a timeless quality to it.

How are the the Met's enjoying Pedro.I don't know from first hand experience (I'm not in the NY area), but they love him, and I certainly do. Apparently Shea is the place to be when he pitches.

[Showtime]

I don't know from first hand experience (I'm not in the NY area), but they love him, and I certainly do. Apparently Shea is the place to be when he pitches.

I miss him alot, I watched almost every game that he pitched and had the pleasure of seeing him pitch in person, several times.

[afan]

The scene is just too corny. I mean, chick just meets him, and isn't just infactuated or intrigued with him...but she's saying she loves him. And everything about the scene seems so phony... it just doesn't seem genuine. But it tries to make it seem truly genuine, and it feels awkward to watch. Haha, get what I mean?

Great Scott,man, did you not watch the film at all!

Lois in sheer terror struggles for dear life in a crashed helicopter which is precariously suspended from the top of a tall building. Her desperate cries for help are unanswered as she helplessly plummets to certain death. From nowhere she is impossibly rescued by a flying man, who as he carries her in his arm back to the safety of the rooftop also catches the descending copter wreckage and effortlessly brings both her, the copter and it's pilot to the roof, and you describe that as "just meets him".

You're a hard man to impress.

[LexCorp]

I thought this was so cool!

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/701/701987p1.html

Superman Returns: The New Lex Luthor
Let us introduce you.
by Steve Head
April 18, 2006 -

He's one of the all-time, quintessential arch enemies. He's maniacally determined. He has a quick mind, a sly sense of humor, an eye for style (albeit outlandish), and no conscience. As nemesis extraordinaire in Superman Returns, Lex Luthor will implement a series of threats that reach beyond Metropolis. Beyond America. And if it all goes to plan: kill Superman. Sounds like the perfect role for Kevin Spacey. It's "the kind of character that's more fun for him," says director Bryan Singer. "Each thing he's doing is so funny, or so strange, or sinister, that it's just fun and for him. It's a joy."



For this new incarnation of Lex Luthor, Spacey was the first choice, right from the start. "We'd always written that role with him in mind," says Singer. "He's an old friend and this is a great opportunity for all the obvious reasons."

Spacey, whose prior collaboration with Singer was his Oscar-winning performance in The Usual Suspects, was almost unable to commit to Superman Returns due to a scheduling conflict. The filmmakers worked overtime, reworking the shooting schedule to adhere to Spacey's six week window of opportunity. "Bryan would prefer to shoot in continuity, but and we didn't have that luxury," says producer Chris Lee. The producers also tried to shift the shooting schedule for Hugh Laurie, who was originally cast as Perry White, but it didn't work. For Spacey, however, they were fortunate. "We made it work. And I think he'll be the definitive Lex."

In fact, when Spacey arrived in Sydney, Australia, they started filming him, proto. "He'd just gotten off the plane and everything," says Singer. "He was a total trooper about it.

As Lex, Singer says Spacey is "Very thoughtful about it" and cares a lot about creating his own version of the character. Kate Bosworth, who stars as Lois Lane, and who co-starred with Spacey in Beyond the Sea, says his philosophy about playing a character that's been played by other actors is: "You should just know the heart and soul of the character. You take it and make it your own and that's what the defines the character now. It's what you do now."

For Lex, style, of course, is key. He has his "pimp" look, says production designer Guy Dyas. He has his "safari/hunting" look, says costume designer Louise Mingenbach. However, what Spacey made his own was Lex's hairstyle, or lack thereof. No curly wig, a-la Gene Hackman. Spacey went for the chrome dome. "He shaved it off," says Singer. "Which was, I'll tell you, very strange."

"He never wears that curly wig," says Dyas. The original script had a line that referred to a curly wig. "Bryan was concerned that if we went too comical with Lex it would take away all of the fear of his character. The idea that he was going to be sort of a clown dressed up in a curly wig, and do the whole campy Gene Hackman thing, didn't work for Bryan at all. [Spacey's decision to go bald was] a great decision. He's a very scary individual. He plays the role so beautifully, it's incredible. He's chilling on screen."

The first time Singer saw Spacey as Lex Luthor, "I completely didn't recognize him. I was walking towards my trailer in the park, and I'm looking this guy staring at me standing by a tree. I thought he was a crewmember, someone I'd never seen before. I keep walking and he's staring me at me all the way and I'm like, 'AHHH!' It was him!"

Now, you might ask, what sort of malevolence is Lex devising to bring down Superman? Without delving into spoiler material, one thing we can tell you is: Lex sort of… kind of... perhaps maybe wants a piece of that valuable Kryptonian crystal he's been hearing about. To that end, he puts together a team. Kal Penn, (who plays Lex's go-to computer guy, Stanford) will only say, there's "five of them. It's sort of a unit. There's inner workings here and there, but I won't say." However, to keep you on your toes, Parker Posey (who plays Lex's gal-pal Killy) says, Lex is "someone who can go under disguise and be anyone he wants to be."

Lex will incite trouble, and lots of it. "There will be no lack of intensity," says Singer."It'll probably be PG 13. I don't think you'll be disappointed at all in the level of intensity."

Fantastic. I am so ready to see this version of Lex....

[Superman4ever]

Great Scott,man, did you not watch the film at all!

Lois in sheer terror struggles for dear life in a crashed helicopter which is precariously suspended from the top of a tall building. Her desperate cries for help are unanswered as she helplessly plummets to certain death. From nowhere she is impossibly rescued by a flying man, who as he carries her in his arm back to the safety of the rooftop also catches the descending copter wreckage and effortlessly brings both her, the copter and it's pilot to the roof, and you describe that as "just meets him".

You're hard man to impress.

LMAO...awesome post! :D :up:

[Cinemaman]

Spacey is one of my favorite actors (also: Cage, Hanks, Crow, Carrey and etc).

So I have no doubt his Lex will be great.

[metr0man]

Thank god Singer didn't cast Billy "medicore in every single way in every single film I've been in" Zane.

(the alternate name was Billy "the best thing you can say about my acting is that it doesn't suck" Zane)

[Showtime]

Thank god Singer didn't cast Billy "medicore in every single way in every single film I've been in" Zane.

(the alternate name was Billy "the best thing you can say about my acting is that it doesn't suck" Zane)

He was going to but he has obligations for Titanic 2 and a background character in Back to the Future 4: Fully Loaded

[Vile]

Superman 2, possible, but doubtful. Superman 1, very unlikely.

Oh come ON, Returns is going to blow both those films out of the water - Going back to the article, it seems we're getting a Lex that is actually...threatening!

Superman 1 was about 2 steps from being a fullblown comedy. Superman II was great super hero vs Super Villains fight scenes...but lets face it, folks - the villains were dressed like 13 year old ice skaters here.

Returns will be the Supes movie we've all wanted. Singer will make us proud.

[Cinemaman]

I want only 3 things:
1. SR to be one of the greatest movies 2006
2. SR to be greater than STM
3. SR to make more than $300m domesticly and $700m in worldwide.

[SuperDaniel]

^^3 simple things!!

But i have faith it will do more than this...

[dark_b]

I want only 3 things:
1. SR to be one of the greatest movies 2006
2. SR to be greater than STM
3. SR to make more than $300m domesticly and $700m in worldwide.you know what i want? that the movie is good. i want to like the movie. i hope that i will like the movie. i dont care if it makes a lot of money. i dont care what other people think. it only matters what i think.

and yes this movie will get enough money for a sequel. it is lighter than batman. so it is only logical. the only way it would not get teh money back is if the movie is campy.

[The Batman]

Yeah, his running motion makes me want to laugh. The original movies in general make me laugh. Not much to take seriously...apart from the most amazing theme song this side of Star Wars...

I'm sorry that STM is a movie where they realize that its main character is a superhero, whereas the incredibly overrated Batman Begins is ashamed of that fact.

[Oldguy]

^^^ Holy Tangents Batman, and I thought I was bad.

[skruloos]

I'm sorry that STM is a movie where they realize that its main character is a superhero, whereas the incredibly overrated Batman Begins is ashamed of that fact.
Ashamed of it? Hardly. It just places the character in a more believable universe.

[Oldguy]

Ashamed of it? Hardly. It just places the character in a more believable universe.

Flawless victory....


FINISH HIM!

[MatchesMalone]

Actually, it works perfectly because BATMAN IS NOT A SUPERHERO. He is a human being with no powers. Just a regular hero.

[The Batman]

actually, Batman is a superhero, and has long been considered one.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Actually, it works perfectly because BATMAN IS NOT A SUPERHERO. He is a human being with no powers. Just a regular hero.

From wikipedia:

A superhero is a fictional character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_character) who is noted for feats of courage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courage) and nobility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility), who usually has a colorful name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name) and costume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costume) and abilities beyond those of normal human beings. A female superhero is often called a superheroine.

The picture it shows is of Superman and Batman.

[The Batman]

Yup. Batman has abilities beyond those of normal people.

[Oldguy]

Yup. Batman has abilities beyond those of normal people.

So by that rationale, Donald Trump is a super-hero because the only ability Batman has that's beyond normal people is his fabulous bank account.;)

[Whack Arnolds]

I'm sorry that STM is a movie where they realize that its main character is a superhero, whereas the incredibly overrated Batman Begins is ashamed of that fact.Uhh ok. It's still incredibly cheesy and sloppy, as is all the original Superman movies. When and where did Batman Begins come into the conversation? It has nothing to do with this discussion. Did you think by saying that, you were like offending me or something? hehe. But if you really want to get down to it:

Batman Begins is a movie that realizes its movie is centered around a driven vigilante hero, so of course it is going to be more sober in tone. Because he isn't a bright superhero. How was anyone making the film ashamed of anything? I see Batman gliding on a cape, driving a batmobile, interrogating people etc. All elements from the source material. It's not going to be flayboyantly cheesy and over-the top, but it also actually takes the character and mythos seriously, unlike the "tongue in cheek" movies like STM, SMII, etc.

[Whack Arnolds]

Yup. Batman has abilities beyond those of normal people.Yeah, because he worked at them. That's one of the points of Batman. ANY human with enough drive and work ethic could transform themselves into a similar greatness. For someone named "The Batman", and for someone who probably reads the comics religously... you certainly don't have a great understanding of the character. :up: :)

[Whack Arnolds]

Oh come ON, Returns is going to blow both those films out of the water - Going back to the article, it seems we're getting a Lex that is actually...threatening!

Superman 1 was about 2 steps from being a fullblown comedy. Superman II was great super hero vs Super Villains fight scenes...but lets face it, folks - the villains were dressed like 13 year old ice skaters here.

Returns will be the Supes movie we've all wanted. Singer will make us proud.

Great Post.

But these people won't get it. They won't let ANYTHING be better than STM in their minds, because they have built it up so much and have such an attatchment to it. Like people here already saying it can't be as good, proves that they aren't even giving it the opportunity to be better.

Cconn's brillaint post explains why Returns will most likely be better. And yes, STM was a few steps away from just being a pure comedy. Hell, it already is for me. It's just so ridiculously corny.

[Showtime]

So by that rationale, Donald Trump is a super-hero because the only ability Batman has that's beyond normal people is his fabulous bank account.;)

Well he does wear bright pink ties, so I guess he's "colorful".

[Superman4ever]

I'm in agreeance (my unword of the day!) with the Batman is not a superhero...he's a hero with extraordinary drive, courage and dedication. But his physical abilities are not overly exaggerated above normal human ability. He is a superb athlete and can accomplish feats most of us cannot, but given the right training and dedication most humans could. Mentally, he's a genius...so in that aspect he is different.

[Dark Knight]

Nice. Spacey will rule as Lex! :up:

[Superman79]

Nice. Spacey will rule as Lex! :up:

Creepy, evil, and sadistic with a hint of dry humor...Spacey IS Lex, how he should have been and always should be. I'm thinking Usual suspects + LA Confidential+Se7en= LEX LUTHOR

"What's in the box Kal?!?! C'Mon what's in the BOX!?!?!"

[Cinemaman]

The best thing is that Spacey have big interest about his character and trying to make him real and serious enemy for Superman.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Spacey as Luthor looks to be one of the best casting decisions of recent. When I heard the news of it, I was very very pleased. I'm a huge Hackman fan, but his Luthor was a little...off. I still enjoyed his performance, but I think Spacey can trump it.

Spacey's a two-time Oscar winning actor, a talented stage performer, a great comedic actor, has villain experience, and has worked with Singer before. It's a good sign.

[Octoberist]

I'm in agreeance (my unword of the day!) with the Batman is not a superhero...he's a hero with extraordinary drive, courage and dedication. But his physical abilities are not overly exaggerated above normal human ability. He is a superb athlete and can accomplish feats most of us cannot, but given the right training and dedication most humans could. Mentally, he's a genius...so in that aspect he is different.

You're right. At the sametime, I don't mind when people refer Batman as a superhero becuase it doesn't hurt his image either.. It doesn't taint him. It makes him look good because you got a human guy competiting in the likes of Superman or whomever. And most people don't question it. You gotta give props to Bats on that one....

[Octoberist]

I'm sorry that STM is a movie where they realize that its main character is a superhero, whereas the incredibly overrated Batman Begins is ashamed of that fact.

What's overrated anymore?

You know what...how often do you see people online (the biggest critics out there) in agreement that they like a movie? If they like a movie in huge numbers, then maybe it broke new ground for once.

When Spider-Man got release they was a backlash (internet of course). Samething with the X-Men, and hell Lord of the RIngs.

I'm proud to love Batman Begins. I respect you take but I hope that I'm making sense.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Batman has incredible strength, speed and agility, is rich, has detective skills on par with just about any trained official out there, and is just plain intelligent. That's not to mention his bravery and nobility. All of those COMBINED are definitely beyond normal human abilities.

Donald Trump?? LOL, cut down on those cheap pills, bud! I don't think a bad haircut counts as a costume.

[Superman4ever]

You're right. At the sametime, I don't mind when people refer Batman as a superhero becuase it doesn't hurt his image either.. It doesn't taint him. It makes him look good because you got a human guy competiting in the likes of Superman or whomever. And most people don't question it. You gotta give props to Bats on that one....

Actually that's a great point. I don't mind the fact that people call him a superhero, that's fine, but to me he doesn't have enhanced powers or abilities. That's what I was talking about...

[Superman4ever]

What's overrated anymore?

You know what...how often do you see people online (the biggest critics out there) in agreement that they like a movie? If they like a movie in huge numbers, then maybe it broke new ground for once.

When Spider-Man got release they was a backlash (internet of course). Samething with the X-Men, and hell Lord of the RIngs.

I'm proud to love Batman Begins. I respect you take but I hope that I'm making sense.

:up: :up:

[Superman4ever]

Creepy, evil, and sadistic with a hint of dry humor...Spacey IS Lex, how he should have been and always should be. I'm thinking Usual suspects + LA Confidential+Se7en= LEX LUTHOR

"What's in the box Kal?!?! C'Mon what's in the BOX!?!?!"

http://www.moviepublicity.com/image_assets/dumbdumber_02.jpg

LMAO...Hell yeah! :up:

[Metropolis_Man]

http://www.moviepublicity.com/image_assets/dumbdumber_02.jpg

LMAO...Hell yeah! :up:

Haha, great pic. :up:

[SuperDaniel]

I think the problem with Batman Begins is that their makers tried to make everything real that they forgot to have fun with the character. Gotham to my mind isnt supposed to be like a normal city. Where are the gargoyles, the great statues? Really...seing Batman in a normal city was just a meh after seeing the great architechture from the Tim Burton movies. They exagerated on the real aspect, in my opinion. I think that if they had the same aspect of the Burton movies, the art department, costumes(not as stiff), i think it would be a better movie. Just wait and watch Superman Returns. Thank god its not based on reality, where Metropolis look like New york. Metropolis will have those amazing art deco buildings of the fleischer cartoons. That will be nice to see.

[Superman4ever]

I think the problem with Batman Begins is that their makers tried to make everything real that they forgot to have fun with the character. Gotham to my mind isnt supposed to be like a normal city. Where are the gargoyles, the great statues? Really...seing Batman in a normal city was just a meh after seeing the great architechture from the Tim Burton movies. They exagerated on the real aspect, in my opinion. I think that if they had the same aspect of the Burton movies, the art department, costumes(not as stiff), i think it would be a better movie. Just wait and watch Superman Returns. Thank god its not based on reality, where Metropolis look like New york. Metropolis will have those amazing art deco buildings of the fleischer cartoons. That will be nice to see.

I respectfully disagree that Begins wasn't fun, there is a lot more to a movie then architecture and a few gargoyles. While Burtons movies were great they can't even compare. Yes, Burton had a great fantasy version of Gotham, but it wasn't a timeless feel, and in fact I think it was too exaggerated.

[Whack Arnolds]

No, they just wanted to have a good mix of seriousness AND fun.

[Octoberist]

I think the problem with Batman Begins is that their makers tried to make everything real that they forgot to have fun with the character. Gotham to my mind isnt supposed to be like a normal city. Where are the gargoyles, the great statues? Really...seing Batman in a normal city was just a meh after seeing the great architechture from the Tim Burton movies. They exagerated on the real aspect, in my opinion. I think that if they had the same aspect of the Burton movies, the art department, costumes(not as stiff), i think it would be a better movie. Just wait and watch Superman Returns. Thank god its not based on reality, where Metropolis look like New york. Metropolis will have those amazing art deco buildings of the fleischer cartoons. That will be nice to see.

I've never meant anyone in real life who thinks about the 'realism' of Batman Begins. I really think that some people overexegerate the 'realism' aspect quite a bit.

Sure it's their opinion, but this 'realism' didn't ruin the movie for me.
How realistic was a man spraying fear gas or a ninja cult trying to destroy a city? A man in a batsuit jumping off rooftops?

Batman Begins is a more believeable movie than Burton's take, but it still has a fantasy touch. A touch that some people tend to neglect.

[dark_b]

I think the problem with Batman Begins is that their makers tried to make everything real that they forgot to have fun with the character. Gotham to my mind isnt supposed to be like a normal city. Where are the gargoyles, the great statues? Really...seing Batman in a normal city was just a meh after seeing the great architechture from the Tim Burton movies. They exagerated on the real aspect, in my opinion. I think that if they had the same aspect of the Burton movies, the art department, costumes(not as stiff), i think it would be a better movie. Just wait and watch Superman Returns. Thank god its not based on reality, where Metropolis look like New york. Metropolis will have those amazing art deco buildings of the fleischer cartoons. That will be nice to see.you know what? :)

first they made the character to funnier. and it was bad. now they didnt have any other chance but to make him dead serious. and it worked. people now have again faith.

[Octoberist]

Batman Begins, to me at least, was a great middleground for the character. I don't know, I thought it was a fun movie. It never had a dull moment. I mean, there were parts of Spider-Man 2 when it lagged, but not with "Begins".

I think people get defensive with "Begins" because it was the ultimate underdog. It had a lot to prove. And it won a lot of people over. And it's rare to see a number of people supporting a movie like this. That's probably why "Begins" was such an important movie to most.

And Superman follows suit.

[SuperDaniel]

I just don`t like the fact that Gotham looks a normal city in Batman Begins. I really missed the atmosphere of the Tim Burton movies. I think even the costume would`ve worked a lot better in that kind of atmosphere.

[Cinemaman]

I love Burton's films, but that was Burton's.

And I also love Nolan's BB, but that was Nolan.

There is difference.

P.S. PEOPLE, WILL NOLAN MAKE BB SEQUEL?

[dark_b]

I love Burton's films, but that was Burton's.

And I also love Nolan's BB, but that was Nolan.

There is difference.

P.S. PEOPLE, WILL NOLAN MAKE BB SEQUEL?summer 2008 :up::)

[Cinemaman]

summer 2008 :up::)

Thanx.

[Cinemaman]

Previous Batman movies had retro-modern style of buildings and city from 40s-50s.
But now BB have a real city with dirty streets and usual buildings.

Donner's Superman films had Metropolis as NY with usual streets and buildings.
Now SR have great buildings with 30s-40s style and retro-modern style.

Thats funny!

[dark_b]

Previous Batman movies had retro-modern style of buildings and city from 40s-50s.
But now BB have a real city with dirty streets and usual buildings.

Donner's Superman films had Metropolis as NY with usual streets and buildings.
Now SR have great buildings with 30s-40s style and retro-modern style.

Thats funny!i thoguth about this the yesterday :)

[Cinemaman]

i thoguth about this the yesterday :)

BB is next STM as city and building style, while SR is next BR, funny!

[GreenKToo]

I will always have a special place in my heart for S:TM,just as I'm sure I will for SR.I wont compare them,at least I will try not to.Its a different movie,different time.If it can make my heart pound,and beleive a man CAN fly,I'll be satisfied.SR may be greater than all of the previous films simply because of how dated they've become. As this (very good) article itself mentioned, the old movies' Luthor was comedic and silly, and most of the characters in those films were the same way. So if SR presents everyone in a more serious, updated tone, it will be inherently better, I think.

With that said, if STM was made today (or 3 years ago since SR would be its sequel:o), it would probably be the better movie.

[Dark Knight]

when i re-watched Supes the Movie.....Hackman makes me always LMAO....especially when he gets pissed off at Otis.

The scene in the ambulance after Otis bungles his mission on the rockets is hilarious. Hackman was definitely more camp and it was a good performance by him nontheless....Hackman is awesome. However, Spacey will be giving us the more definitive portrayel of Lex Luthor. :up: