Plane Speculation . . .

[Agnarr]

Look, we know that Clark returns just in time to save the day . . . again . . . with a plane in trouble . . . again. In previs we see that we are in for a real treat, with a serious action sequence involving a plane with Lois lane in mortal danger (surprise, surprise).

What I want to know is, what is the cause of the plane's trouble? Something totally corny, like lightning blowing off an engine:rolleyes: or realistic, like a reasonable mechanical failure/bomb/pilot error sort of thing.

At this rate, Lois will never be able to afford life insurance! :D I trust Singer to pull off something within the realm of believability, given artistic license.

What do you guys think?

Don't think this has been thoroughly discussed before; if it has, I apologize in advance.

[Showtime]

I am hoping that it's something evil that has to do with Lex, if not it's only a mimic of what we saw in Superman The Movie, just longer and with more action. I pray it is not lightning. I will sue Richard Branson.

[Mentok]

I am hoping that it's something evil that has to do with Lex, if not it's only a mimic of what we saw in Superman The Movie, just longer and with more action. I pray it is not lightning. I will sue Richard Branson.

I thought the plane had nothing to do with Virgin?

I thought that scene was a different one using the Virgin Galactic jet?

[Showtime]

I thought the plane had nothing to do with Virgin?

I thought that scene was a different one using the Virgin Galactic jet?

I am not positive either way. For some reason I thought it was piggybacked on top of the jet plane.

[Agentdemon]

I am not positive either way. For some reason I thought it was piggybacked on top of the jet plane.

That's what I though too.

[Mentok]

Oh well... Wait and see I guess.

[DocLathropBrown]

What I want to know is, what is the cause of the plane's trouble? Something totally corny, like lightning blowing off an engine:rolleyes: or realistic, like a reasonable mechanical failure/bomb/pilot error sort of thing.

Oh yes, becuase we all know that lightning hitting what is, essentially, a giant lightning rod flying through the air in a storm is too unrealistic and not-at-all likely to happen. And, suddenly, it's corny too! :rolleyes:

Do you even know what the true meaning of "corny" is?

Am I the only one sick of these anti-Donner film people just because the films are old? It's so rediculous to the point that people are rejecting logic and dumping on the classics just due to their age, like above....

[Showtime]

Oh yes, becuase we all know that lightning hitting what is, essentially, a giant lightning rod flying through the air in a storm is too unrealistic and not-at-all likely to happen. And, suddenly, it's corny too! :rolleyes:

Do you even know what the true meaning of "corny" is?

Am I the only one sick of these anti-Donner film people just because the films are old? It's so rediculous to the point that people are rejecting logic and dumping on the classics just due to their age, like above....

Nothing wrong with the lightning the first time around, I just don't want to see it again.

[scifiwolf]

Ok, Agnarr...this is the deal. The 777 is carrying an experimental spacecraft, owned by Virgin Galactic and piloted by Richard Branson. Onboard the 777 are members of the press, including Lois. Something during the flight goes wrong, putting both the 777 and the spacecraft in danger. Because the whole thing is being televised, Clark and Jimmy see it from the bar. Jimmy says, "isn't lois on that plane," turns around, and Clark is missing (running out to save the plane and ship, while revealing to the world that Superman is back).

This has all been established previously, I just don't remember where in the forum you can find it.

[GreenKToo]

Cool.I knew that 2 planes were in danger,but not that the shuttle was piggybacking on the 777.Thanx for the info.:up: Ok, Agnarr...this is the deal. The 777 is carrying an experimental spacecraft, owned by Virgin Galactic and piloted by Richard Branson. Onboard the 777 are members of the press, including Lois. Something during the flight goes wrong, putting both the 777 and the spacecraft in danger. Because the whole thing is being televised, Clark and Jimmy see it from the bar. Jimmy says, "isn't lois on that plane," turns around, and Clark is missing (running out to save the plane and ship, while revealing to the world that Superman is back).

This has all been established previously, I just don't remember where in the forum you can find it.

[GreenKToo]

It will be difficult to save both,and it will be awesome to see.

[Metropolis_Man]

Ok, Agnarr...this is the deal. The 777 is carrying an experimental spacecraft, owned by Virgin Galactic and piloted by Richard Branson. Onboard the 777 are members of the press, including Lois. Something during the flight goes wrong, putting both the 777 and the spacecraft in danger. Because the whole thing is being televised, Clark and Jimmy see it from the bar. Jimmy says, "isn't lois on that plane," turns around, and Clark is missing (running out to save the plane and ship, while revealing to the world that Superman is back).

This has all been established previously, I just don't remember where in the forum you can find it.

Nice, sounds like a good plane sequence to me. This is one of the scenes I'll definatley be waiting on the whole time, I think this time around its going to be a much more significant plane save, a little more work for the man of steel.

[Superfreak]

Oh yes, becuase we all know that lightning hitting what is, essentially, a giant lightning rod flying through the air in a storm is too unrealistic and not-at-all likely to happen. And, suddenly, it's corny too! :rolleyes:

Do you even know what the true meaning of "corny" is?

Am I the only one sick of these anti-Donner film people just because the films are old? It's so rediculous to the point that people are rejecting logic and dumping on the classics just due to their age, like above....


thanks, someone put it into words

[ruhanv]

Richard Branson mentioned that he was filiming a scene where Lex is trying to crash the Galactic. He would not have approved filming of this plane if it involved a mechanical failure as they are launching it for real next year!

[Showtime]

Ok, Agnarr...this is the deal. The 777 is carrying an experimental spacecraft, owned by Virgin Galactic and piloted by Richard Branson. Onboard the 777 are members of the press, including Lois. Something during the flight goes wrong, putting both the 777 and the spacecraft in danger. Because the whole thing is being televised, Clark and Jimmy see it from the bar. Jimmy says, "isn't lois on that plane," turns around, and Clark is missing (running out to save the plane and ship, while revealing to the world that Superman is back).

This has all been established previously, I just don't remember where in the forum you can find it.

Very nice, I guess my memory isn't fading after all. :ghost:

[Shamik]

Sounds cool. That's the first I've heard of the spacecraft. Surely it would be in the cargo bay, though, right?

[Showtime]

Sounds cool. That's the first I've heard of the spacecraft. Surely it would be in the cargo bay, though, right?\

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2002/september/photos/Sept-Frontiers0050lg.jpg

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2002/september/i_pw.html

"It is attracting interest as a mother ship for unmanned vehicles, enabling rapid deployment of a network-centric warfare grid, a likely future mode of operation for modernized U.S. forces as demonstrated in Afghanistan," Skorupa said. "And it is attracting interest as a potential first-stage platform for piggybacking reusable space vehicles to an appropriate launch altitude.

[scifiwolf]

Sounds cool. That's the first I've heard of the spacecraft. Surely it would be in the cargo bay, though, right?No, this:

http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/images/enterprise.jpg

[Showtime]

No, this:

http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/images/enterprise.jpg

Nice shot, I was looking for something like that.

[Shamik]

Awesome. That's going to make an incredible scene. Especially if the the shuttle breaks look from the plane.

[Agnarr]

Hmm, didn't think of the connection between the Virgin spaceship and the Boeing, but it makes sense.

Because I question a plot point, suddenly I'm anti-donner? Just so you know, Superman: The Movie is/has always been my favorite movie, despite MY minor irritation with certain parts. I understand it was made in the 70's, and allowances must be made.

However. Lightning strikes airplanes ALL THE TIME. NOTHING HAPPENS. Airplanes are typically made out of aluminium, and the current flows through the skin of the plane, into the air, no damage done. Yes, lightning has caused planes to crash, but that was decades ago (like, over 30), and safety improvements have been made to the gas/electrical systems.

Being air force one, I thought a bomb would be more reasonable. But that is just my opinion.

[ToddIsDead]

No, this:

http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/images/enterprise.jpg
Heh. Doggy Style. :(

[grabmygladys]

Bettany would make a great Joker by the way Todd. :P

[Mentok]

OBVIOUS STATEMENT ALERT!

Virgin Galatic craft (not exact size)

http://blog.case.edu/epn1/2005/08/17/Virgin_Galactic.jpg



:p

[Showtime]

OBVIOUS STATEMENT ALERT!

Virgin Galatic craft (not exact size)

http://blog.case.edu/epn1/2005/08/17/Virgin_Galactic.jpg
:p

Pretty damn cool.

[Mentok]

Looks like a 'Female Hygiene Product' :(

[AsteroidMan]

Looks like a 'Female Hygiene Product' :(

Probably one of the reasons SR will not show the future Virgin Galactic craft but a made-for-the-movie model of a shuttle craft (and its name is even linked to SR ;))

[Cinemaman]

I think it will be Lex's plan or ,maybe just a terror.

[Showtime]

Probably one of the reasons SR will not show the future Virgin Galactic craft but a made-for-the-movie model of a shuttle craft (and its name is even linked to SR ;))

Whats the name?

[GreenKToo]

very cool.:up: OBVIOUS STATEMENT ALERT!

Virgin Galatic craft (not exact size)

http://blog.case.edu/epn1/2005/08/17/Virgin_Galactic.jpg



:p

[Naite22]

They say in the blog that it's some kind of powerfailure that causes the plane to fall!!!

[Agnarr]

Blog 18? Ah, yes. I wonder what causes the power failure.

[Naite22]

Blog 18? Ah, yes. I wonder what causes the power failure.
It's the one where Singer's inside the plane for the first time, and they talk about what'll happen and how people will fly across each other inside of it.. Than someone says, and I quote "As I understand it, there's some sort of presentation going on up front, and all of the sudden there's a powerfailure".. go check it out.

[Agnarr]

Do we know for certain the Boeing and the Virgin Galactic will BOTH suffer mishaps? Is it confirmed? I thought it was just a rumor that the space ship would get into trouble. They may change things for the movie a bit, but as it is now, Space Ship One gets to space via its specialized carrier plane, The White Knight, not by being piggybacked on a Boeing 777.

[Naite22]

Do we know for certain the Boeing and the Virgin Galactic will BOTH suffer mishaps? Is it confirmed? I thought it was just a rumor that the space ship would get into trouble. They may change things for the movie a bit, but as it is now, Space Ship One gets to space via its specialized carrier plane, The White Knight, not by being piggybacked on a Boeing 777.
Whow...wait a minute, what are you talking about here dude??? What's this Virgin Galactic and spaceship talk?? There's something I haven't heard here.. What's this about?

[AsteroidMan]

Whow...wait a minute, what are you talking about here dude??? What's this Virgin Galactic and spaceship talk?? There's something I haven't heard here.. What's this about?

After the success of Space Ship One, Sir Richard announced that he will build a fleet of similar ships and have a company called Virgin Galactic providing private space flight services.
The plane sequence (but with a 747 Air Force One) was originally in FlyBy (the McG / Ratner Superman project). Bryan loved the look of the sequence and intended to use it in SR.
Bryan also wanted to fly in space :)
So Richard Branson got a role in the movie as one of the pilots of the shuttle, which is piggybacked on a specially equiped 777 with the press inside. Something happens to the tandem so Supes has to save both.

http://travel.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1742498,00.html
"...So far, 45,000 people have registered interest in being among the six passengers for the inaugural Virgin Galactic trip, and 156 have paid deposits, including the advertising guru Trevor Beattie, the actor Victoria Principal and Bryan Singer, director of the new Superman film. "

The movie will not be using the actual space ship shown below as a model held by Branson, but I think the name "Virgin Galactic" might be mentioned as a product placement...

[Naite22]

^ How cool would it be if the failure of the plane(s) is the work of Lex Luthor somehow??

[ToddIsDead]

I'd say that's more than likely.

[Naite22]

I remember a loooong way back, that Singer said "In this movie Lex isn't the one pulling the strings, he only THINKS he is!"..... I wonder what this could mean.???

[ToddIsDead]

Brainiac implants a chip into him and is controlling him.





:p

[Naite22]

In the showest footage it said that superman gets hit by a plane wing flying towards him, and he gets thrown backwards... Shouldn't he just smash RIGHT THROUGH IT!??

[ToddIsDead]

No, he rips a plane wing off and he and the plane go flying backwards. It's basic physics.

[Naite22]

No, he rips a plane wing off and he and the plane go flying backwards. It's basic physics.
oh..ok:up:

[explode7]

Just a question to ask. How realistic do you guys want the plane itself to look? I would like to see the plane look as realistic as the plane from "Airforce one".

[ToddIsDead]

The plane is just a regular 777. It's going to be realistic because it's a real plane.

[explode7]

Yeah I know but in some plane movies the plane looks all 3D even though its a real plane I don't want it to look like that here.

[Naite22]

^The plane in Air force one looked like crap, no one can forget that.. remember when it crashes into the water... jeez, that was the most ugly icky looking peace of CGI I have ever seen!

[ToddIsDead]

I'm sure it will look really good. They seem to be going all out on the effects in this movie.

[explode7]

^The plane in Air force one looked like crap, no one can forget that.. remember when it crashes into the water... jeez, that was the most ugly icky looking peace of CGI I have ever seen!

Just to make sure thats the same movie with Harrison Ford right?

[M.O.Steel]

No, this:

http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/images/enterprise.jpg

why does it look like it's been duct taped onto the plane? I guess they weren't kidding when they said it was strong.

[Naite22]

Just to make sure thats the same movie with Harrison Ford right?
Yes it is.. I think the movie is really good, but that crash at the end looks so horrible.

[explode7]

I always get mixed up with airforce one and airplane one.But anyway I find that the part where the army dudes were rescuing them in the air looked amazing.

[Agnarr]

Yea, we shouldnt have to worry to much about it looking realistic (I hope), considering the size of the budget and the quality of the sets we have seen so far. While watching Firefly (the episode premeire, I think--"Serenity Part 1 and 2"), when the Reavers are about to catch Serenity and they pull a crazy Ivan, I remember being very, very impressed with the effects. The reaver ship looked quite good in the atmosphere, especially because of the camera work/angle/focus/shake, that sort of thing.

But now I'm really confused since I don't remember it being confirmed that the space ship will actually be piggybacked by the boeing 777. And if it is, would they let all those people aboard just to for the launch?

In the blogs there is no space ship, just the plane, with Supes coming to save the day. But knowing Bryan, that could be just to fool us. It doesnt matter either way, really, as its going to look incredible--people in freefall as the plane is falling, crashing from one end to the other, the plane shaking so much that it looks like its going to fall apart. "A cylinder that will push 38.5 tons slightly in excess of 2 g." And in the blog they were only going to 20%, and it looked really rough! I wonder how much they went while filming. 60%? 80%?

[Naite22]

I always get mixed up with airforce one and airplane one.But anyway I find that the part where the army dudes were rescuing them in the air looked amazing.
Yes that looked good, it's just the crash that looks horribly bad:)

[SolidSnakeMGS]

So is the spaceship going to fall off for some double jeopardy for Superman (he has to save both)?

[GothicPowerMix1]

I hope that The Plane Sequence in Superman Return's make's this Plane Sequence look like Child's Play

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room17/426235/Plane.gif

[Naite22]

^ you're joking right... that looks like a computer game!

[GothicPowerMix1]

^ you're joking right... that looks like a computer game!

Its from a Live Action Movie

[Naite22]

^you're not serious!.. what movie may I ask??

[GothicPowerMix1]

^you're not serious!.. what movie may I ask??

Transporter 2

[Naite22]

^but it looks so tottally CG, even the sky behind it.. Dont worry, cause unlike that, SR will look REAL:)

[GothicPowerMix1]

^but it looks so tottally CG, even the sky behind it.. Dont worry, cause unlike that, SR will look REAL:)

Lets hope :up:

[Fatboy Roberts]

It'd be cooler if there were snakes on it.

[Agnarr]

^ Lol.

[ToddIsDead]

It'd be cooler if there were snakes on it.
And Sam Jackson...

[scifiwolf]

Is it just me, or could Snakes on a Plane totally make it on internet buzz alone at this point?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Is it just me, or could Snakes on a Plane totally make it on internet buzz alone at this point?


we'll see that put to the test i guess.

[Showtime]

Unfortunately Snakes on a Plane is going to make alot of money on buzz alone. Good for the snakes.

[ToddIsDead]

What do you mean "unfortunately"? It's snakes on a mother****ing plane for Christ's sake! It's got classic written all over it.

[GothicPowerMix1]

What is going to suck is if Snakes On A Plane is a big hit like everyone is expecting then there will be crap load of Snake Movies

Snakes On A Bus - Speed 3
Snakes On A Toilet
Snakes On A Cab
Snakes On A Terroist

etc etc :o

[Showtime]

Beavers on a Bike
Alligators on a Helicopter

[neobido9999]

If richard bransons in it, my interest has gone down. cant people like him keep their egos under wraps.


the **** "owns" an ISLAND for crying out loud!!!



yes im bitter, but for the right reasons

[Showtime]

Richard Branson is in it and for some reason, even though I should be, I am not mad about it.

[Agnarr]

I saw a special on his Island on the travel channel. That man worked his ass off, and became a success . . . but who can't be a little jealous when he has an open-air style bathroom, with a toilet overlooking the ocean perched on a cliff??

I really don't care if he's in the movie or not. Would I care if a no-name actor played the pilot? No. It's not a prominent role, you might as well let the man have his kicks. Depp owns his own island as well. Is he a ****, too?

[ETHAR-N]

Transporter 2

Transporter 2, altough not being a great movie in my opinion, really amused me, i really like jason statham (he reminds me of bruce willys in some way), it was a really entertaining movie, but not good, and that plane sequence screamed CGI in my opinion, there are other movies with better plane sequences, altgough now i cant remember, jejejeje. The fact is that Superman Returs is going to have a bunch of great action and flying sequences (i hope), including the plane sequence.

[Cinemaman]

SR must have the most exciting action sequences of this year, and one of them is plane sequence.

[Mr. Credible]

i really want to see Superman struggle with the plane (i'm sure this has been brought up a kergillion times, but) like Spider-Man did with the subway train in Spider-Man 2 (only with better acting)

i know he's strong and all, but i want to see him give everything he's got at least once in this movie.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

Indeed you shall, he does struggle with the plane as it statrs its downward spiral..he flys in front of the plane..he pushes with so much power the front of the plane begins the dent.

[crimefighter43]

That whole plane sequence is supposed ot last about 20 minutes.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

From the take off,to the trouble,to the rescue.

[Showtime]

Exactly, when the say "plane sequence", they are starting the 20 minutes from the moment the passengers are waiting to get on the plane up until Superman lands it at "Metropolis Met's" Stadium.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Exactly, when the say "plane sequence", they are starting the 20 minutes from the moment the passengers are waiting to get on the plane up until Superman lands it at "Metropolis Met's" Stadium.




:up:

[BrollySupersj]

Wait, Superman has to save 2 planes in the film? Man...he gets it really hard.

[Excel]

no....

[SolidSnakeMGS]

no....

Uh, explain.

I figure if there is a plane/spacecraft of some sort piggybacking the 777 or w/e plane it is, something will happen to where Superman has to save both planes.

[Excel]

What i read was the shuttle i susccessfully launched, but it messes up thre plane

[GreenKToo]

really??bit of confusion here ,on wheather he saves 1 or 2 planes.:supes: What i read was the shuttle i susccessfully launched, but it messes up thre plane

[SolidSnakeMGS]

^ Oh, I see. The shuttle launch causes a malfunction in the plane that is carrying it. The shuttle makes it but the plane begins to crash, right?

[GreenKToo]

I suppose so.I was thinking he had to save them both,but I guess not.

[Agnarr]

That makes sense. In STM, the helicopter scene was great--holding it with one hand--imagine how much better this is going to be with updated fx! Really looking forward to this.

[SuperDaniel]

I don`t know if you guys read this or not but the Script magazine has an interview with Dan Harris and Mike Dougherty and they confirm that Superman will have to save BOTH the 777 jet and the Virgin Galactic Spacecraft.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I don`t know if you guys read this or not but the Script magazine has an interview with Dan Harris and Mike Dougherty and they confirm that Superman will have to save BOTH the 777 jet and the Virgin Galactic Spacecraft.

Wow! He could throw the spacecraft into orbit since it's construction would support that, which would buy him time to safely land the 777 and then return to orbit to save the spacecraft.

Bet ya a million that's what he does.

[Pickle-El]

I don`t know if you guys read this or not but the Script magazine has an interview with Dan Harris and Mike Dougherty and they confirm that Superman will have to save BOTH the 777 jet and the Virgin Galactic Spacecraft.


I sure hope this is true.....we haven't had a HINT of the action sequences. I like how they're keeping this under such tight wraps.

[SuperDaniel]

ITS TRUE. ITS confirmed by the writers of the movie. They also say that another good action sequence involves a Bark Robbery/Machine gun/Bullet in the eye we all heard about. Doenst mention anything about the 3rd act of the movie.

[GreenKToo]

wow,this movie is sooo gonna rock.I'll prolly pull the armrests off my thearter seat in excitement.:eek: ITS TRUE. ITS confirmed by the writers of the movie. They also say that another good action sequence involves a Bark Robbery/Machine gun/Bullet in the eye we all heard about. Doenst mention anything about the 3rd act of the movie.

[emi]

He could throw the spacecraft into orbit since it's construction would support that, which would buy him time to safely land the 777

Yep mate, you just hit the jackpot!!!

and then return to orbit to save the spacecraft.

Nope, this one is wrong.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Nope, this one is wrong.

So he leaves it in orbit. So the craft was ok enough to sustain orbit.

[emi]

Yup, he throw successfully the spacecraft Explorer into orbit.

[SuperDaniel]

http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/script_may.june.2006_page4.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.kal-el.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/script_may.june.2006_page4.jpg
Interesting article,the scene involving the shuttle and Plane sounds like it could be stunning and really showcase a lot of emotion and intensity as well as many of supes abilities

[Cinemaman]

I don`t know if you guys read this or not but the Script magazine has an interview with Dan Harris and Mike Dougherty and they confirm that Superman will have to save BOTH the 777 jet and the Virgin Galactic Spacecraft.

WOW! I think we will get one of the best action sequences from SR.

[Agnarr]

Wow! He could throw the spacecraft into orbit since it's construction would support that, which would buy him time to safely land the 777 and then return to orbit to save the spacecraft.

Bet ya a million that's what he does.

Wow, that would be incredible! :eek: A great way to show off his stuff. This sequence is going to be amazing.

[Metropolis_Man]

Wow! He could throw the spacecraft into orbit since it's construction would support that, which would buy him time to safely land the 777 and then return to orbit to save the spacecraft.

Bet ya a million that's what he does.

That is a fantastic idea. If they don't do this, I'll tell you know.......its a good idea. :)