Upcoming Runaways Spoilers

[Zaptoitnow]

So in his new Newsarama interview, BKV says one of the runaways dies for real. We were told by the future predicting Abstract that one would as well. Here's the quote:

This is the arc that proves that the only constant in the Runaways' life is change. The New Pride has a book called the Abstract that's able to predict the future with a pretty good degree of accuracy, and the tome says one of the Runaways is going to die. And I can say with 100% certainty that this isn't a fake-out. Before the end of this storyline, one of the Runaways will be dead.

Now, I doubt it means anyhting, but it does say that one of the runaways "will be dead". Wouldnt it be funny to see one of them wind up as a zombie or such? I can't get the thought out of my head, and wanted to share it, lol.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup, whoever it is that dies, bites it in July.

[SLVRSR4]

If you have been to runaways the comic they have the funniest story involving a zombie i have ever read:o I hope it's Victor though that doesn't fit in with the abstract.

[Zoken]

I think its going to be chase.

[Colossal Spoons]

^No way man. The guys on the team are already outnumbered badly. Who'll pilot the Leapfrog if that happens anyway? I'd love it if Mollie died.

[GoldenAgeHero]

^No way man. The guys on the team are already outnumbered badly. Who'll pilot the Leapfrog if that happens anyway? I'd love it if Mollie died.

the baitch with the raptor needs to go.

[deathshead2]

No its chase for sure and his mind will go in the leapfrog. Or its lucy in the sky cus no one likes her.

[Zoken]

Don't touch Molly, and I doubt it will be Gert, Gert's fairly cool (though a little stuck up).

[Colossal Spoons]

the baitch with the raptor needs to go.

Gert or Molly dying would make my day.

No its chase for sure and his mind will go in the leapfrog. Or its lucy in the sky cus no one likes her.

I know heaps of people who like Karolina :confused:

[deathshead2]

Gert or Molly dying would make my day.



I know heaps of people who like Karolina :confused:Then let them speck.I don't think Molly would die way to young. Gert was in the future,vic is a robot never alive to begin with,Nico is a leader and BKV really shouldn't kill a leader 3 times.:( Wait a min I just thought of something its Nico cus if anyone else dies she can bring them back but if she dies she can't no its her fir sure.:(

[Zoken]

She can't bring them back, they've covered that. they asked her to bring back future Gert, but the spell had been used (and failed to work) on Alex.

[deathshead2]

She can't bring them back, they've covered that. they asked her to bring back future Gert, but the spell had been used (and failed to work) on Alex.Hmm then its Lucy. Im sure this time.Dang BKV left like no clues theres really alot of reasons for one of them to die.

[Colossal Spoons]

Then let them speck.I don't think Molly would die way to young. Gert was in the future,vic is a robot never alive to begin with,Nico is a leader and BKV really shouldn't kill a leader 3 times.:( Wait a min I just thought of something its Nico cus if anyone else dies she can bring them back but if she dies she can't no its her fir sure.:(

Um, myself included.

*speaks*

[GoldenAgeHero]

Gert or Molly dying would make my day.



I know heaps of people who like Karolina :confused:

nah molly needs to stay, theres nothing wrong with her, although her dumbass can annoy me, but gert gets me the most. i hope she dies a good death.

[Zoken]

Hmm then its Lucy. Im sure this time.Dang BKV left like no clues theres really alot of reasons for one of them to die.

Even if he did leave clues, when have we ever caught the right ones? think about it, any time he leaves clues he leaves two sets, we go off on one, while he subtly hides another set that we NEVER follow.

[Colossal Spoons]

Karolina isn't even a Runaway technically since she's off the team.

[AndThePickles]

No its chase for sure and his mind will go in the leapfrog. Or its lucy in the sky cus no one likes her.

She's my favorite character, thank you very much :mad:


I think it will be Chase as well.

[SLVRSR4]

Do is it say anything if it's alex's dad that kills one of the members?

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't see why he would. As of now, he's currently just a bank robber, not a Pride member.

[Nick Eastwood]

Molly is one of currently 196 living mutants. Marvel can't keep killing mutants off left and right and then replacing them with misplaced mutants who got stuck on rocks.

Granted, I think Vulcan looks cool and I've liked Deadly Genesis so far anyway, I don't think Molly will bite the bucket.

Chase is my favorite character along with Nico, but once I heard that one will die and saw the cover (though it left no clues except for looking really awesome), my first instincts with Chase, Molly, or Old Lace. I consider Old Lace a character.

[AndThePickles]

Molly is one of currently 196 living mutants. Marvel can't keep killing mutants off left and right and then replacing them with misplaced mutants who got stuck on rocks.

Granted, I think Vulcan looks cool and I've liked Deadly Genesis so far anyway, I don't think Molly will bite the bucket.

Chase is my favorite character along with Nico, but once I heard that one will die and saw the cover (though it left no clues except for looking really awesome), my first instincts with Chase, Molly, or Old Lace. I consider Old Lace a character.

Hmm, I didn't even think of that. I kinda hope it isn't Old Lace, simply because that would be a bit anti-climatic for me.

[Colossal Spoons]

The only way I'd be cool with Old Lace dying is if the pain from her death paralyzed Gert or caused some other irreversable damage.

[Fenryr]

Wouldn't killing Old Lace result in killing Gert, or lobotomizing her? At least something that would change her character, considering they have a psychic rapport. I was under the impression that when either Gert or Old Lace got hurt, the other would as well.

And, though I was going to say that we've already seen Gert's future self, it's possible that she was from an alternate future. In fact, she would have to be an alternate Gert, and although BKV can handle not only his own continuity, but multiple other continuities, I'd like to think he'd avoid all that mess. But, once again, the timeline has a chance of changing anyways because of Alex's dad being plucked from time.

Gert is both the most likely, and least likely to die. She did warn Chase, which seemingly lowers his chances for survival, but if he dies, he might not totally vanish, as the future Gert didn't mention the specific form in which he died, making the Leapfrog/Chase fusion a minor possibility.

In any case, I'm not convinced that Gert is going to die, because of her connection with Old Lace. I am convinced that BKV, while being insanely talented, is also made of evil.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think we're all getting lulled into a false sense of security as far as Gert "having" to live just because we saw her in the future. The future can change in an instant.

[AndThePickles]

Wouldn't killing Old Lace result in killing Gert, or lobotomizing her?

In that case, it is acceptable to me if Old Lace dies. Gertrude gets on my nerves :(

[Fenryr]

I think we're all getting lulled into a false sense of security as far as Gert "having" to live just because we saw her in the future. The future can change in an instant.

Hence my saying the timeline might change anyways. I'd consider Old Lace at least a half-member, and since there was no mention of 1.5 members being killed, there's still hope for Gert.

In that case, it is acceptable to me if Old Lace dies. Gertrude gets on my nerves :(

I can see how a lot of people might find her annoying, but I dislike Nico and Molly far more. Their points of view are mostly represented through other characters personalities.

[Colossal Spoons]

I wasn't really singling you out. A bunch more people have considered her "safe" due to the time travel scene. :)

[KingOfDreams]

If Molly dies I will be PISSED.

[Marcdachamp]

If Molly dies I will be PISSED.
I'll CRY if Molly dies.

[Colossal Spoons]

Why, she contributes nothing but annying kiddie remarks to the dialogue and she's good for one feat of strength before she has to take a nap. sounds expendable to me. I don't care if she's "just a kid". Kids need to die too sometimes in the MU.

[Zoken]

actually as we saw in the Runaways 2, #1, Molly has grown in her powers so that she isn't out like a light after "A simple feat of strength"

[KingOfDreams]

Why, she contributes nothing but annying kiddie remarks to the dialogue and she's good for one feat of strength before she has to take a nap. sounds expendable to me. I don't care if she's "just a kid". Kids need to die too sometimes in the MU.

Molly is the heart and soul and comic relief of The Runaways.

[AndThePickles]

Molly is the heart and soul and comic relief of The Runaways.

Heck no!

[KingOfDreams]

Heck no!

Heck yes. Do you know how how sarcastic and cynical the tone would be in the comic if Molly wasn't there? She brings optimism and innocence to the book. All the other characters are jaded.

[AndThePickles]

Heck yes. Do you know how how sarcastic and cynical the tone would be in the comic if Molly wasn't there? She brings optimism and innocence to the book. All the other characters are jaded.

I don't like what she brings to the book, actually. The other characters are older; I really see no point of bringing in a juvenile aspect. I understand that some people (like yourself :) ) like the "innocent kid" thing, but I find her to be mainly whiney and annoying.

[KingOfDreams]

I hope it's either Victor or Chase that dies. I know Chase is an integral part of the team but I don't like him. He's an *******. But in the end, I think I'd rather see Victor go than him. Victor really is just a plot device anyway.

[AndThePickles]

I wouldn't want Victor to go simply because I want to see if he ends up turning evil.

[Colossal Spoons]

Molly is the heart and soul and comic relief of The Runaways.

That's Chase's dept, thank you. :o

Heck yes. Do you know how how sarcastic and cynical the tone would be in the comic if Molly wasn't there? She brings optimism and innocence to the book. All the other characters are jaded.

That's the one thing I like about Gert.

[GOODT!MES]

It's pretty much solidly Chase. Remember Runaways vol.2 #1?
"Chase...in all those years, i never got a chance to tell you... how much...I lo-HURRK!"(dead.)
Future Gert confirms the Chase death. Actually, though, that could be a red herring, because it could imply his losing of communication with Gert. All it does is confirm that Gert doesn't bite it.
Then again, it is technically an alternate future. And any death of any Runaway could easily be undone...as soon as the 4D time portico is up and running again.

[Marcdachamp]

Heck yes. Do you know how how sarcastic and cynical the tone would be in the comic if Molly wasn't there? She brings optimism and innocence to the book. All the other characters are jaded.
No question. She's the team's light. She makes me laugh. The only other person that would hurt as much is Nico, and I think she's pretty much safe, especially if Civil War takes place after that arc.

I definitly think Chase is the one to bite it.

[Fantastic Fan22]

Crap, i dont want any of them to die.

[SLVRSR4]

I think it would be great if alex came back and then chase kills him again. Am i alone with the thought?:o The one without powers is the one who is "hardcore" Ever since victor asked him what his power was that's my new sig.

[KingOfDreams]

Crap, i dont want any of them to die.

Ultimately that's how I feel as well.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think it would be great if alex came back and then chase kills him again. Am i alone with the thought?:o The one without powers is the one who is "hardcore" Ever since victor asked him what his power was that's my new sig.

Alex didn't really have any powers either. Yeah, he was a strategist but that's hardly a superpower.

[GL1]

Someone mentioned something cool earlier... having Chase die and continue with the team as a Zombie... he sure would be dead, as promised, but man... Chase with uber-regeneration and acid spit would be kinda cool... maybe it could even tie into Marvel Zombies a wee bit... also the monster genre isn't quite covered by the diverse origin types in the group.

I think it would be great if alex came back and then chase kills him again. Am i alone with the thought? The one without powers is the one who is "hardcore" Ever since victor asked him what his power was that's my new sig.
Why would Chase want to kill Alex again? If Alex comes back... why would the runnaways kill him? Do they go around killing all the villains they come in contact with? And what would be so cool about it? I think you actually may be alone in that thought.

[Colossal Spoons]

Zombie Chase huh? i like it :up:

[AndThePickles]

I don't know....a "zombie Chase" would have to be super carefully done or it would be really corny.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, they were about to let a vampire on the team. Zombies are next in line. Chase would make the perfect comic zombie too.

[AndThePickles]

Just as long as he doesn't want to eat the other Runaways :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, they were about to let a vampire on the team. Zombies are next in line. Chase would make the perfect comic zombie too.
That'd make Gert a necrophiliac, though. :(

I kind of want Molly to die, just to see if Vaughan has the balls to do it. I think it'll be Victor, though. Last hired, first fired. ;)

[Dread]

It's pretty much solidly Chase. Remember Runaways vol.2 #1?
"Chase...in all those years, i never got a chance to tell you... how much...I lo-HURRK!"(dead.)
Future Gert confirms the Chase death. Actually, though, that could be a red herring, because it could imply his losing of communication with Gert. All it does is confirm that Gert doesn't bite it.
Then again, it is technically an alternate future. And any death of any Runaway could easily be undone...as soon as the 4D time portico is up and running again.
Speculation on whether a RUNAWAY will die has been going on for a few months now, so confirmation of one by or before July from BVK is nothing new. Fortunately, the man's much better at crafting an unpredictable story than a lot of other writers, so that really leaves the door open.

With that said, I've been thinking that Chase is under the crosshairs ever since I read that from #1. Of course, as others have mentioned, the Runaways have already effected the time-stream by getting Victor "activated" years before he was supposed to (Ultron programmed his powers to activate around 21 when he went to NY so he could join the Avengers as his mole), and even that change could have effected the time-stream. Basically, Marvel really has no "set" future, just an assortment of "alternate realities" that have ceased to be canonical due to some change in the current 616. The Runaways actions may have simply allowed the future where Victor becomes the evil Victorious as an alternate future like "Days of Future Past" is.

It would stink for Chase to die, though, although "Zombie Chase" could be interesting. I wouldn't have thought of it. Maybe if Vaughan was feeling cheeky, his could then change Chase's codename to "Marvel Zombie".

Victor dying would just make him a "red shirt", so I don't think it'll be him. Molly's a key function as strength and comic relief. Karolina's been off-stage for a few months now, so it would feel anti-climatic. That leaves Gert or Old Lace, and both are linked. They both feel the other's pain, so the death of one would greatly effect the other. Although honestly, Old Lace hasn't been much of a factor in a battle for them since they took on the Wrecking Crew back in #1.

That leaves Nico. Historically, the last time a Runaway died, it was their leader. Alex was their leader, he just was also a turncoat for the Pride. Could history be repeating itself? The last storyline DID hint that while the Staff of One comes from Nico, once it is "out", anyone can use it (just with more difficulty).

My bets are either Chase or Nico, but of course the good thing about BVK is that nothing is what it seems.

[GOODT!MES]

I could see Nico as a dead but revitalized (not zombified) witch. Like, she gets killed, but she comes back, yet not as a zombie, just pale with dark around the eyes. No decaying skin or mental defects.

[ihateusernames]

i like the fact people have been mentioning my chase/leap frog idea :)

Gert and Old Lace are to original to be killed i think, he's like the pet who loves the group and everything about it, and she's got the teenage attitude going on where she secretly likes it, but would never admit it.

they all have original powers... well, to some level, molly really doesn't, but it's the fact that hers haven't matured yet, you know?

i can see someone going to kill Vic, and Chase jumping in to save him and getting hit, i dunno. he pretends he hates him, but i can kinda see a small "love to hate" thing going on, they both do like each other, but both try to act alph male in different ways.

[Dread]

I could see Nico as a dead but revitalized (not zombified) witch. Like, she gets killed, but she comes back, yet not as a zombie, just pale with dark around the eyes. No decaying skin or mental defects.
Oh, wait, but Nico is on the cover of YOUNG AVENGERS/RUNAWAYS #1. I forgot about that. So she's probably "safe".

Zombie Chase could be interesting, depending. You're right; horror is one of the few genres of Marvel that the team lacks (they have mutants, aliens, time-travellers, mages, and now a robot). Unless you count mages amung "horror". The HORROR 2005 Handbook seemed to include some mages in their tomes. It's a unique angle because while Nico may not be able to use the Staff of One to bring someone back from the dead, she hasn't said anything about the UN-dead. But is that a curse worse than death? What if Chase loses whatever intellect he has and is just a beast on a leash? Of course, at least Simon Garth would get a rest for a bit (he's the "Zombie" who gets the most solo action at Marvel). Not sure if BKV would take that angle, but I'd prefer that to Chase being "digitized" into the Frogger. Unless that turned up cool.

That's what makes RUNAWAYS hard to peg. Vaughan could spin almost any angle and make it refreshing and good.

[TheCorpulent1]

I could see Nico as a dead but revitalized (not zombified) witch. Like, she gets killed, but she comes back, yet not as a zombie, just pale with dark around the eyes. No decaying skin or mental defects.
That would be eerily similar to the Slingers' Dusk.

[SLVRSR4]

Someone mentioned something cool earlier... having Chase die and continue with the team as a Zombie... he sure would be dead, as promised, but man... Chase with uber-regeneration and acid spit would be kinda cool... maybe it could even tie into Marvel Zombies a wee bit... also the monster genre isn't quite covered by the diverse origin types in the group.


Why would Chase want to kill Alex again? If Alex comes back... why would the runnaways kill him? Do they go around killing all the villains they come in contact with? And what would be so cool about it? I think you actually may be alone in that thought.

Then one of the living members wouldn't have to die? He betrayed the team! He was pretty mad when Nico said she wsas tyring to revive him as well.

[GOODT!MES]

Dude, you know we have only a s**t's whim and a prayer of finding out who it is or what the angle is. BKV is too good to be upfront. Just sit back and be amazed. :)

[Dread]

Dude, you know we have only a s**t's whim and a prayer of finding out who it is or what the angle is. BKV is too good to be upfront. Just sit back and be amazed. :)
Sometimes BKV does include his "answer" in the initial issues leading up to the reveal. Go back to the issues before Victor's father is "officially" stated and Victor pretty much HANDS us the answer with Ultron/Vision monologues, but until the reveal, we don't see it. However, the man is good at setting up roadblocks, red herrings and giving a development that seems shocking but is satisfying. Vaughan's not perfect, of course, but he delivers on RUNAWAYS consistantly.

[Colossal Spoons]

What's this about Molly being the comic relief of the book? I thought that was Chase's dept. He's made me laugh far more than Molly's juvenile jokes.

[Dread]

What's this about Molly being the comic relief of the book? I thought that was Chase's dept. He's made me laugh far more than Molly's juvenile jokes.
Molly has that sort of simplistic, kid's heart sort of appeal. Chase naturally acts like a "normal guy" (moreso than many Marvel teen-heroes who have at least martial arts prowess if not powers or so on) while still having a dark past behind him. I'll admit I like Chase more but I like all of the Runaways, really. It'll be a shame to see another one go, but hopefully the story will be worth it.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Molly would be more appealing to me if she were older. Seems like a waste of superstrength for someone who can't even understand the severity of most of their situations.

I hope they plan on adding to the team too, cuz it's in serious need of testosterone.

[GL1]

Wow... you don't like Molly very much do you?

And, honestly, I think the team's testosterone is just fine...

[Colossal Spoons]

How so? Chase is the only "man". Way too much estrogen on that team. You know how much it must suck for Chase to be around those menstruating women :(

[Anubis]

I got number 15 today. The New Pride Strikes! Divide and Conquer baby, it always works. :)

So, Goeff moves ahead with stage two of the Pride's plan to take down the runaways. These new guys seem rather gullible to me tough. Believing that the Pride were good guys or something. But, they seem to know how to get the job done. One's managed to hack into Victor. (I hope that doesn't become one of those "things" that a character is constantly beaten by) The chick with the magic was able to show Gert when Nico kissed her boyfriend, which caused Old Lace to try and take her freakin head off. While everybodies fighting amongst themselves, The Pride makes off with Molly using some alien rope..........Yeah......Anyway, it was good to see Chase and Victor Bond a bit before the s**t hit the fan. And it seems that there may be some decenstion in the ranks of the pride. I think one of those new kids is gonna end up getting offed so another member of the Pride can come back. All in all, decent ish.

[GL1]

How so? Chase is the only "man". Way too much estrogen on that team. You know how much it must suck for Chase to be around those menstruating women :(

Victor is male. He may not have actual testosterone (then again, he might), but he is of the male gender even if his male sex is only synthetic. Victor's not female, right?

As far as girls... Gert, Nico, Molly... am I missing someone? That's only three girls to two guys... It was a little heavy in issue number one, with Karolina instead of Victory, but that's in the past...

[deathshead2]

If Alex is still alive for some reason I would like to see him take the pride back for his own and kick his young dads ass and send him back in time.I don't know why but I just find this cool. Oh and what happend to the covers did the person who used to make them taking a break or something?

[SLVRSR4]

I got number 15 today. The New Pride Strikes! Divide and Conquer baby, it always works. :)

So, Goeff moves ahead with stage two of the Pride's plan to take down the runaways. These new guys seem rather gullible to me tough. Believing that the Pride were good guys or something. But, they seem to know how to get the job done. One's managed to hack into Victor. (I hope that doesn't become one of those "things" that a character is constantly beaten by) The chick with the magic was able to show Gert when Nico kissed her boyfriend, which caused Old Lace to try and take her freakin head off. While everybodies fighting amongst themselves, The Pride makes off with Molly using some alien rope..........Yeah......Anyway, it was good to see Chase and Victor Bond a bit before the s**t hit the fan. And it seems that there may be some decenstion in the ranks of the pride. I think one of those new kids is gonna end up getting offed so another member of the Pride can come back. All in all, decent ish.

My comics didn't come int today you have ruined my day thanks alot :eek: no now i'm gonna be distracted in school i need a hobby:o

[Spectre722]

this is honestly the only book i've ever read where i can't think of anybody they could actually afford to kill off. i'm surprised bkv had the balls to make alex the traitor in the first place. bravo. jolly good show.

[Colossal Spoons]

YES, They took Molly!!!!!!

[AndThePickles]

Victor is male. He may not have actual testosterone (then again, he might), but he is of the male gender even if his male sex is only synthetic. Victor's not female, right?

As far as girls... Gert, Nico, Molly... am I missing someone? That's only three girls to two guys... It was a little heavy in issue number one, with Karolina instead of Victory, but that's in the past...

I agree, it seems to be a pretty good male/female balance to me. Normally in many other comics there are more men than women, so who cares if there's only one more girl than boy in this series?

As for this issue, I thought it was really good! And I'm so glad that Molly was the one they took *evil laugh*

[deathshead2]

I agree, it seems to be a pretty good male/female balance to me. Normally in many other comics there are more men than women, so who cares if there's only one more girl than boy in this series?

As for this issue, I thought it was really good! And I'm so glad that Molly was the one they took *evil laugh*She won't die though more than likely is a hostage. So she is safe.I thnk the raptor thing is going to die BKV never said the member of the runaways had to be human.

[Colossal Spoons]

I agree, it seems to be a pretty good male/female balance to me. Normally in many other comics there are more men than women, so who cares if there's only one more girl than boy in this series?

The balance is ok now, I'm talking about how the team will be if Chase dies.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why are people posting things in spoiler tags if it says "spoilers" right in the title? :confused:

Anyway, there was a scene in this week's issue where Nico told Gert she wants Gert to lead if she's ever out of the picture. Innocent bonding scene or foreshadowing? Hmm...

[Colossal Spoons]

Sorry, I'm so used to putting them up; and we all know how much you hate those tags :p

I think that scene with Nico was just to throw us off. I ain't bitin'

[Zoken]

I think they're taking Molly to get another Pride Member back. I mean, if Geoff sacrifices another of the "New Pride" then they'll see him for what he is and actually try to unseat him. I like that Geoff is the same kind of manipulator his son was (Damn time travel messes with your tenses). I think it would be cool if Alex were to come back in, but after Geoff is down. like somehow the Runaways manage to win, but something happened that seemed like dumb luck to them, then at the end of it all, you see Alex standing in the dark with the X-ray Goggles (he was still wearing them when he died) smiling, and some how indicating that he was the one that helped them to destroy his father, or send his father back in time (that one more likely). I so Want to see more Alex, its not even funny. He's dead (We believe) and evil, and He's still my favorite Runaway.

I hope Geoff isn't stupid enough to try to bring back one of the Hayes, they were trying to kill him. his best bet would be to bring back one of the Steins (Chase's dad seemed pretty tight with Geoff)

[Colossal Spoons]

You mean Mr.Hayes was Geoff's henchman...

[Zoken]

No, Mr. Hayes was the male half of the mutant couple. they and the aliens tried to kill everyone else.

each couple were equal partners in the Pride, none were henchmen to others.

[Dread]

Here's what I thought of the last issue. As usual, spoilers, like the topic says.

RUNAWAYS #15: The current RUNAWAYS arc continues as the new Pride assemble their weapons and decide to take on the Runaways with a "divide and conquor" tactic, showing that "young Geoffery Wilder" is just as clever, if not moreso, than his son was. Meanwhile, Chase and Victor have a chat about their "rivalry", with Chase admitting being jealous of Victor because he's basically the kid that his "mad scientists parents" would have preferred (and, at least not admittedly, someone who is more of an intellectual equal with Gert). Victor, meanwhile, continues to fear losing control to his "Ultron programming". Nico and Gert also have a little tension chatting together, before the team is lured out on an errand, and pretty much are jolly-spanked when the New Pride turns them against one another. By the final page, half the team is down and Molly's been kidnapped! Probably one of the most exciting issues of an already terrific series in a while, RUNAWAYS remains connected to the Marvel Universe while seeming like few things they've every printed before thanks to BKV & Alphona. In fact the only "meh" part of the issue was the cover, if only because it wasn't up to snuff with most of the other "instant poster" style RUNAWAYS covers (after a series of A posters, you recognize a B+ when you see it). I'm glad the digest sales are keeping this title afloat because this is one of Marvel's best books of the 21st century on a lot of levels. Vaughan's still a little "turn based" when it comes to combat, but that's only a minor quibble. Still, I wonder; which Runaway will actually die? Will having Alex's father plucked from 1985 effect their timestream and screw things up (much like "young Kang" gave the multiverse some trouble in YOUNG AVENGERS)? Plus, after a few battles against your typical "nasty adults", its good to see the Runaways reminded that "peer-teens" can be just as troublesome, if not moreso at times (because they know what buttons to press). I can't wait to see the team regroup and somehow avenge themselves, which means the issue did its job. 4 weeks can't pass soon enough for the next issue.

To add, I also wondered about that exchange between Nico and Gert about "leadership", and wondering whether it was foreshadowing. Of course, BKV knows how to mix things up, so one never knows. ;)

[Zoken]

Something I'm wondering about... "New Father. Forgive... Forgive new mistakes" this is the words victor was speaking at the beginning. did that mean somethign?

[deathshead2]

I think they're taking Molly to get another Pride Member back. I mean, if Geoff sacrifices another of the "New Pride" then they'll see him for what he is and actually try to unseat him. I like that Geoff is the same kind of manipulator his son was (Damn time travel messes with your tenses). I think it would be cool if Alex were to come back in, but after Geoff is down. like somehow the Runaways manage to win, but something happened that seemed like dumb luck to them, then at the end of it all, you see Alex standing in the dark with the X-ray Goggles (he was still wearing them when he died) smiling, and some how indicating that he was the one that helped them to destroy his father, or send his father back in time (that one more likely). I so Want to see more Alex, its not even funny. He's dead (We believe) and evil, and He's still my favorite Runaway.

I hope Geoff isn't stupid enough to try to bring back one of the Hayes, they were trying to kill him. his best bet would be to bring back one of the Steins (Chase's dad seemed pretty tight with Geoff)I bet he will bring back Alex sense he sort of said he would like to meet him. Or Alex could still be alive and it was his plan to begin with to bring his dad back. And a runaway could die such as Nico and sense Alex still lovers her at least I think he would bring her back if she died. Dang I am thinking to hard:(

[Colossal Spoons]

No, Mr. Hayes was the male half of the mutant couple. they and the aliens tried to kill everyone else.

each couple were equal partners in the Pride, none were henchmen to others.

I said that because of the way Geoff talked to Mr. Hayes. It wasn't very "chummy" at all.

[TheCorpulent1]

Geoffrey didn't seem very chummy with anyone. Even in this issue, I got the sense that he was straining to keep up a facade of friendliness with the new Pride simply because he knew he still needed them for his plans.

[Dread]

Geoffrey didn't seem very chummy with anyone. Even in this issue, I got the sense that he was straining to keep up a facade of friendliness with the new Pride simply because he knew he still needed them for his plans.
Indeed, Geoffrey "1985" Wilder definately is hardcore. Poor Molly may be a "sacrifice", but will the dastardly fiends get away with it?

And more importantly, can the rest of the Runaways manage to keep from ripping into each other over a love triangle to save her?

Got to love the speculation game!

I just wonder about those "time fluxuations" from plucking people from the past. Magical or not, that stuff usually hits the fan quickly. We'll see what happens.

Looks like for a robot, Vincent has a glass jaw. ;)

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, Chase didn't even seem to swing that hard and Vic went out like a lamp.

Speaking of Victor; I've never seen anybody's hair look so cool after just waking up :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Indeed, Geoffrey "1985" Wilder definately is hardcore. Poor Molly may be a "sacrifice", but will the dastardly fiends get away with it?

And more importantly, can the rest of the Runaways manage to keep from ripping into each other over a love triangle to save her?

Got to love the speculation game!

I just wonder about those "time fluxuations" from plucking people from the past. Magical or not, that stuff usually hits the fan quickly. We'll see what happens.

Looks like for a robot, Vincent has a glass jaw. ;)
I thought of the time problem as well. If Geoffrey is pulled from 1985 and the Runaways are still aware of Alex's existence, Geoffrey must be destined to return to the past at some point. Otherwise there'll be a paradox and no one likes those unless Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd are involved.

[Zoken]

Unless of course when they pulled him from the past, it caused a divergent time-line and didn't affect their reality.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but those are lame.

[Zoken]

Its what they did in the League of Loser's arch of MTU.

[Dread]

I thought of the time problem as well. If Geoffrey is pulled from 1985 and the Runaways are still aware of Alex's existence, Geoffrey must be destined to return to the past at some point. Otherwise there'll be a paradox and no one likes those unless Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd are involved.
They could simply "wipe" his memory and send him back, somehow. That would probably work. ;)

I guess because Victor's still a "young cyborg", he's not terribly durabile yet. I guess after MACHINE TEEN it was a little surprising to see Chase drop 'im so quick (although Victor WANTED to go down, so he probably didn't brace or something). Or maybe Chase just has a really good hook. :cool:

The Nico bit was interesting because the last time a Runaway technically died, it was their leader (Alex). The last arc showed that someone else could use the Staff of One if Nico was otherwise disposed. I sort of doubt Molly is biting it because, well, killing little kids is uncool. Even anime tends to shy away from killin' characters on-screen who are under 13.

Plus, I could see Nico doing some "blaze of glory" thing to "make up" for her past "mistakes", such as getting close to that vampire last volume, getting close to Alex, and smootching Chase (which was just used against them). According to some CIVIL WAR covers, it looks like Karolina will be returning, though, so at least there may be some trade-off. I still wonder if she'll be bringing her "fiance" Xavin along. Hulkling may be the mutant son of a Skrull and Capt. Mar-Vell, but Xavin is ALL Skrull. 'Sides, it's usually rare to have a Skrull run around Marvel books who isn't, like, some sort of rotten douchebag or villian. And as Xavin can "change genders as easily as humans change their hair color", that's some INSTANT fodder for Chase-jokes.

[SLVRSR4]

If they kill Chase who will make comments like "the jackson five?"
:) :)

[Colossal Spoons]

The Nico bit was interesting because the last time a Runaway technically died, it was their leader (Alex). The last arc showed that someone else could use the Staff of One if Nico was otherwise disposed. I sort of doubt Molly is biting it because, well, killing little kids is uncool. Even anime tends to shy away from killin' characters on-screen who are under 13.


I got no problem with killing kids in a comic. If they can touch upon racism, sexism, and every other kind of -ism; killing kids should be legal. Like 300 kids die in Civil War #1, how do you feel about that? :confused:

And as Xavin can "change genders as easily as humans change their hair color", that's some INSTANT fodder for Chase-jokes.

Ah ha, see Chase is the comic relief. No need for Molly :o

[Dread]

I got no problem with killing kids in a comic. If they can touch upon racism, sexism, and every other kind of -ism; killing kids should be legal. Like 300 kids die in Civil War #1, how do you feel about that? :confused:

Firstly, Mark Millar is a unique sort of fish. After all, he has no qualms about alluding heavily to incest (Ultimate Pietro and Wanda) and so on.

Secondly, explosions usually are safe in that it's not as "visible" on panel. Y'know, flash, aftermath, dust, etc. I meant that it's rare to see kids under 12 or so literally being killed on panel by, say, a knife wound or something.

Ah ha, see Chase is the comic relief. No need for Molly :o
Well, Molly is their muscle. She's tough enough to knock Wolverine on his arse and have him stay there for a few seconds; considering how tough he is, that's not too shabby.

Also, Molly's a different kind of comic relief. Chase has the whole "jock" sort of thing going. Molly has the child-like simplicity and innocence.

[Colossal Spoons]

I wish they'd actually come out and say whether or not Ultimate Pietro and Wanda are incestual.

I agree, killing kids on panel with weapons is a bit much but I'd be down for explosions.

[AndThePickles]

Firstly, Mark Millar is a unique sort of fish. After all, he has no qualms about alluding heavily to incest (Ultimate Pietro and Wanda) and so on.

Secondly, explosions usually are safe in that it's not as "visible" on panel. Y'know, flash, aftermath, dust, etc. I meant that it's rare to see kids under 12 or so literally being killed on panel by, say, a knife wound or something.


Well, Molly is their muscle. She's tough enough to knock Wolverine on his arse and have him stay there for a few seconds; considering how tough he is, that's not too shabby.

Also, Molly's a different kind of comic relief. Chase has the whole "jock" sort of thing going. Molly has the child-like simplicity and innocence.

I agree that I don't think they'd visibly and violently let Molly die. I still hope she's the one to go though.
I've heard many people talk about her simplicity and innocence......I just think she's an annoying child. I think the book would be better off without her....as for the strength issue, I'd be cool with the Runaways getting a new member :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

If they get Xavin, she/he could be the new muscle on the team.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't mind seeing Molly die. It's a horrible injustice and her life had barely begun, blah blah blah, but the fact is that her death would really hit the hardest for exactly those reasons. I generally hate kids anyway, so I'd be fine with her dying very gruesomely and very graphically on-panel, too.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Beautiful post. I especially liked the "dislike for kids part". :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Thank you, I'm proud of it myself.

Both the post and my dislike. :)

[SLVRSR4]

whoa there is way to much hate on molly! Sure she serves no real purpose but come on neither did Alex! Oh wait he died:o Tactician come on. Chase had much better ideas set the rock monster on fire for example:up:

[JackBauer]

am I the only one who doesn't think Nico's resurrection spell didn't fail and Alex is just in the background pulling some strings?

[Anubis]

It's entirely possible.

[Colossal Spoons]

That would be interesting...

[GOODT!MES]

I don't think it failed- I think Alex never died. I can't back it up, but Vaughan can legitimately back up anything. Also, if Vic dies, can't they jst jump start him in a Vision-esque way? I mean, minus the future armor and all that. But dying fior him is just like a motherboard crash for a computer. With some hard work, you can bring it back.

Also- you know how Kang in the future had obviously not heard about superheroes (or else he wouldn't have tried to fight them with all of his losses in the past being down in the record books)? Well, maybe this is because Victorious killed all the heroes in Heroine's timeline and the normal humans just erased hero-based history.

And, theoretically, couldn't Kang (possibly as a jealous Iron Lad[see: Young Avengers Special]) Come back from the future or a possible future with Victorious? That would be a sweet arc: Everyone vs. Victorious and a hundred Kangs(Magog style, baby!). Bring it the heck on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Vision's dead himself right now. The Young Avengers' Vision is an entirely new character with a database containing the original's memories. Basically like a legacy character, but definitely not the same old Vision. If Vic died, they'd probably lose him for good and only be able to create a similar but new person from his remains.

[Anubis]

Kang knew there were superheros in this era. It's one of the main reasons he comes to the 20th century. He enjoys the challenge.

[TheCorpulent1]

He also admires the spirit the heroes of the 20th and 21st centuries had.

[Anubis]

It's one of the things that make him such an interesting villain.

[TheCorpulent1]

Being a nearly incomparable badass helps, too.

[Anubis]

Yeah, that too.