Would Superman Returns be suitable for the average movie goer?

[Trooper]

If you feel this is a pointless thread, the mods know what to do. I was talking to my friend the other day about the upcoming movie and he didnt know much about superman except of what his costume looks like and his powers. I wasn't suprised at this, but it turned out that the rest of my friends didn't know his origin and havent seen the donner version of Superman, im 16 years old and so are my friends. Do you think that this movie could be understood by the average movie go-er because from there point of view (people like my friends) superman appears to be to them just another superhero action flick. Ofcourse to me its more of an epic and im sure thats what you expect of it as well, but after speaking to my friends i felt really nervous about the films success. :supes:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Actually your in luck,

there is a recap on his origin and events from the first two movies.

It should be easy to follow.

:up:

[Showtime]

Nothing is ever pointless and every question is valued.

Not only will those who watched STM/Superman 2 be able to watch this movie, the average movie goer who has never seen Superman will be able to watch it as well.

[Agnarr]

Hmm. Boils down to how well the trailer resonates with audiences, and how good the movie actually is. "Epic," and even average people with no interest in superhero flicks would probably come and see it.

I, too, was shocked when some of my friends had never seen STM. I solved that problem. If the trailer delivers, I have no doubt that the "average" movie goer will line up and pay their $8-$15 ticket.

[Yellow Cyclone]

this is one of the few areas where i think this movie is safe, and i have no worries

singer can tell a good story, and a good story is usually "simple" (for lack of a better word) on the surface and the movie with its mythology should be easily attention grabbing to all types of movie viewers

[Trooper]

Thanks alot i hope your all right about this and i dont doubt singer. We will have to wait till summer to see how things work out.

[Bad Superman]

Hey, you're still on time to watch Donner's Superman I (Special Edition strongly recommended) and Superman II with your friends. Superman Returns takes place after Superman II.

[NateGray]

this is one of the few areas where i think this movie is safe, and i have no worries

singer can tell a good story, and a good story is usually "simple" (for lack of a better word) on the surface and the movie with its mythology should be easily attention grabbing to all types of movie viewers

See and I disagree here the story is the part I am most worried about because of the liberties he has taken.
I think Routh will do ok as well as Spacey and Bosswell and I expect the special effects to rock but the story well....
Lois with a child has me worried why just why did they have to add that in.
Lois engaged to Richard White Perry's nephew again jusy why
Superman gone for 6+ years again why.

I hope it is awesome just for the record so that once I have seen it I can reccomend it to my non comic book fans but we will have to wait and see.

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"Hmm. Boils down to how well the trailer resonates with audiences, and how good the movie actually is. "Epic," and even average people with no interest in superhero flicks would probably come and see it.

I, too, was shocked when some of my friends had never seen STM. I solved that problem. If the trailer delivers, I have no doubt that the "average" movie goer will line up and pay their $8-$15 ticket."

Now this I agree with for the general public, however my non comic book fan friends just won'tsee any type of comic bok movie until after I give them a review.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

In my opinion, everyone knows Superman. Everyone. Ask a 5 year old, or ask a 50 year-old... they'll know Superman. So, the fanbase is huge, as far as popularity and recognision are concerned. Now, Singer's adjustments regarding the Superman mythos...
1) Lois Lane having a baby
2)... out of wedlock
3) Superman going away for 6 years

These factors might be new to the average movie goer... and might confuse them. However, that'll only be a problem for fifteen-twenty minutes. I have faith in Singer's story-telling ability, and I'm confident he'll pull the whole thing off in style... although, the whole "kid" scenario scares the **** outta me. If I met Bryan Singer I'd hold my hands up high, and ask... "WHY, SINGER? WHY?"

[tabLengle]

Who cares, as long as fanboys love it right. Screw the general audience and there money, fanboys can bring back the $200 million.

[Oldguy]

I think SR will only be suitable to the average movie goer, young children thrive on formula.

[Kevin Roegele]

Would Superman Returns be suitable for the average movie goer?

............

We've scraped through the bottom of the barrel and are now asking nonsensical questions.

Superman is super popular and super mainstream.

[ETHAR-N]

If you feel this is a pointless thread, the mods know what to do. I was talking to my friend the other day about the upcoming movie and he didnt know much about superman except of what his costume looks like and his powers. I wasn't suprised at this, but it turned out that the rest of my friends didn't know his origin and havent seen the donner version of Superman, im 16 years old and so are my friends. Do you think that this movie could be understood by the average movie go-er because from there point of view (people like my friends) superman appears to be to them just another superhero action flick. Ofcourse to me its more of an epic and im sure thats what you expect of it as well, but after speaking to my friends i felt really nervous about the films success. :supes:

Superman is an icon, and everyone knows about it, like your friends, although they havent seen the movies, they know more or less who is Superman, and this cant be said for lot of things, only the greatest icons prevail in everyones memory:supes:

[skruloos]

I think SR will only be suitable to the average movie goer, young children thrive on formula.
Considering that the average movie goer is the intended audience, that is a good thing. Both Spider-man films relied heavily on the formula and were quite large successes. I bet the WB is wishing for that much success.

[Agnarr]

Indeed. But it need not be taken all as old hat. Singer is taking us in a new--possibly turbulent--direction with Lois and that kid. I am not thrilled about it, but I'll wait to judge. It could be great. After all, the Lois/Superman dynamic can only go so far, in so many ways. She's never had a kid (even adopted), right, so this originality I like.

It really doesn't compare, but I have to draw a line between this scenario and Battlestar Galactica on SciFi. They take the show in a new, unexpected direction every week. It's totally character driven, and that's what makes the story interesting. Nothing is clear-cut, black and white.

There is no reason this couldn't be applicable to Superman as well. The risk is that this can very, very easily lead to disaster if not handled correctly--hence the common elements kept by Singer.

I reiterate, this film is going to be suitable to the general public, as long as its entertaining. It seems like the only people to really complain about things are the fanboys and naysayers, of which nothing can be done. The movie will succeed or it won't. All I'm looking for is a fun, dramatic two and a half hour movie. My life doesnt revolve around OTHER people liking the movie, its about ME liking the movie.

[Oldguy]

Considering that the average movie goer is the intended audience, that is a good thing. Both Spider-man films relied heavily on the formula and were quite large successes. I bet the WB is wishing for that much success.

Yes dilution of art for the sake of mass consumption is the very definition of success. Or is it just the definition for hollywood? I always get the two confused.

[skruloos]

Yes dilution of art for the sake of mass consumption is the very definition of success. Or is it just the definition for hollywood? I always get the two confused.
Both mainstream comics and Hollywood are made for mass consumption. They are businesses first and foremost. It would be ridiculous to think that they would go into any endeavor without the bottomline in mind. It's not like comic companies are shopping their wares out to low budget indie film directors. What would be the sense in that? So they can be pretentious with their story that appeals only to a niche audience?

Save the emo "non-conformity" starving artist BS for someone else. I'm not buying.

[Rob-el]

Yes dilution of art for the sake of mass consumption is the very definition of success. Or is it just the definition for hollywood? I always get the two confused.


Oh brother - take a cheap Canadian pill and get over your silly perspective - its a Superman movie lad!

[Oldguy]

Both mainstream comics and Hollywood are made for mass consumption.

Actually, comic books are made specifically for comic book fans. Comic books aren't made for mass consumption, they are targetted towards a very specific market. People that don't read comic books, don't buy them. Comic book publishers are much more concerned with keeping their existing market happy than striving to recruit new readers through banal, easy to digest, formulaic stories.

Everyone goes to the movies, literacy isn't required.

Hollywood doesn't think much of the average movie-goer, that's why sequels/remakes are so popular in Hollywood. They think the average movie goer is too stupid for much else, and they are right.

[Oldguy]

Oh brother - take a cheap Canadian pill and get over your silly perspective - its a Superman movie lad!

Look at Rob-el prove my point, because it's a movie I should expect and accept less so everyone can "get it."

I'm glad Morrison doesn't have to worry about everyone getting it, he just has to write a good story.

[skruloos]

Actually, comic books are made specifically for comic book fans. Comic books aren't made for mass consumption, they are targetted towards a very specific market. People that don't read comic books, don't buy them. Comic book publishers are much more concerned with keeping their existing market happy than striving to recruit new readers through banal, easy to digest, formulaic stories.
Of course. That's why they do big event books and other merchandising tie-ins. Comic companies aren't interested in appealing to the mass market at all. That's just bad business sense. While it's fine to protect the audience you already have, it's not as if they don't want to attract more people from the general audience. New fans are fans as well.


Everyone goes to the movies, literacy isn't required.
And it's not like most comic books are astrophysics.


Hollywood doesn't think much of the average movie-goer, that's why sequels/remakes are so popular in Hollywood. They think the average movie goer is too stupid for much else, and they are right.
Judging from a lot of crap that is produced in comics today, I'd say the same for the average comic reader. Crap is everywhere. Shining examples of great consistent writing don't happen every month in every book.

And comics are never known for retreads or sequels. This is the land where villains never really die, where multi-verse shattering events return every decade or so, and reboots and retellings of origins are common place. Originality at its best.

[Oldguy]

Of course. That's why they do big event books and other merchandising tie-ins. Comic companies aren't interested in appealing to the mass market at all.

They are interested in the other publisher's market.

And it's not like most comic books are astrophysics.

Compared to every comic book movie they are. Hollywood has long confused the genre with the medium, that comic books must be inherantly accessable to children, that comic books are for children.

Macarthyism forced comic books to become children's only literature because the machine fears it's appeal, it's effectiveness to comminicate ideas. Children are always eager to grow up, to do grown up things, include read comic books that at the time were intended for teenage boys, tales of sex and violence. So in order to save the children, they neutered comic books.

Comic Books have fought long and hard to regain their place as adolescent literature, PG-13 enough to clearly depictDr. Light raping Sue Dibny, yes I know it's distasteful, but sometimes even in real life bad people do bad ****ing things.

Filmakers have long fought hard against the machine, to be free to create stories without having to have a margin of accessability which precludes them from ultimately being trapped as children's material.

That's what I loved about B89. Burton was a pioneer, the first one to make a grown up super-hero movie, and the people ****ing loved it. Then it slowly turned into a kid show, look what happened.

I don't hate films, or super hero movies. I hate hollywood. I hate the hollywood that thinks about the 10 year olds in the audience. Superman is an adolescent power fantasy, he's not a baby sitter of infants, just because 50 years ago, Joe Macarthy said so.

I certainly wouldn't let just any 10 year old read my Superman comics now, why do we have to share a movie with them?

Hopefully, I'm wrong.

[Il_Siciliano]

Lets not kid ourselves here: not only will SR be accessible to everyone, it should be taught in schools.

[The Kid]

Do girls like superman?

[The Kid]

Oldguy, what'd you think of sky-captain? I think every comic-book movie should be made like that but of course it wasn't too popular for some reason. I know the story wasn't very good, but damn it was fun. I don't know much about hollywood formulas though. It didn't seem like it was following anything.

[tabLengle]

Yes this movie will be suitable for the general masses, you know why......

Because Superman = Icon, an AMERICAN ICON mind you ( oldguy ). So every normal everyday movie goer will pop in to see big blue. Man, I hope they release this movie in Iraq and Afghanastan, oh wait, they don't have movie theaters in there little huts those fine people live in. Have a good evening.

[NotFadeAway]

Yes this movie will be suitable for the general masses, you know why......

Because Superman = Icon, an AMERICAN ICON mind you ( oldguy ). So every normal everyday movie goer will pop in to see big blue. Man, I hope they release this movie in Iraq and Afghanastan, oh wait, they don't have movie theaters in there little huts those fine people live in. Have a good evening.


Iraq and Afghany huh......how about Iran, give them a little bit of western culture!!!!!!!

And I do think that the mass audience will enjoy the film as well!!!!!!!

[tabLengle]

Sir the Iranians are the most heartless and cold people in a heartless and cold region. They have no hope. Have a good evening.

[Rob-el]

Look at Rob-el prove my point, because it's a movie I should expect and accept less so everyone can "get it."

I'm glad Morrison doesn't have to worry about everyone getting it, he just has to write a good story.

Exactly - its a movie - not some art house film! If you feel a need to explore "cinema" then probably a Superman movie is not your best bet. Quit being a "higher than thou" type - try to enjoy what hopefully will be a roller coaster ride of a pop corn movie about a man from another planet who can fly!

[Kane]

Actually your in luck,

there is a recap on his origin and events from the first two movies.

It should be easy to follow.

:up:

Woah whered you hear that?

[Trooper]

Yes this movie will be suitable for the general masses, you know why......

Because Superman = Icon, an AMERICAN ICON mind you ( oldguy ). So every normal everyday movie goer will pop in to see big blue. Man, I hope they release this movie in Iraq and Afghanastan, oh wait, they don't have movie theaters in there little huts those fine people live in. Have a good evening.

please dont be discriminate on a thread like this that was uncalled for and could be offensive to some people :mad:

[Il_Siciliano]

I'm not offended, then again I've got a house and a couple of movie theatres in the neighbourhood.
I think the film will be highly accessible to all, it has kiddy appeal, and will certainly appeal to Americans, because he is their icon most of all, and surely even us cynical Europeans will enjoy watching a move that promises to enthrall with its special effects and technology. After all, people went to see Spiderman, and Spiderman is nowhere nearly as popular as Superman on a global scale.

[tabLengle]

Superman is by Americans, FOR AMERICANS. Thats what I love about big blue.

[Il_Siciliano]

Actually Superman was created by Jewish immigrants one of whom was Canadian. And I think you'll find that he was created for whoever would read the thing, I seriously doubt that an impoverished son of refugee Lithuanians had any real intention of creating an American icon back in the day. More to do with paying the rent.

[tabLengle]

But, they were legally American.

[Il_Siciliano]

Ah, so what you meant to say then was

"Superman was created by a Lithuanian Jew and a Canadian Jew who were however legally American for other people who like themselves were legally American".

Ok, I get you now.

[tabLengle]

please dont be discriminate on a thread like this that was uncalled for and could be offensive to some people :mad:

Well actually sir I have the right to say whatever I want.

[Il_Siciliano]

I just wonder if you also take credit (as an American) for the American Mafia that was created in America by immigrant "legally American" Sicilians such as Vito Cascio Ferro, Sal Maranzano and Joe Masseria or if you consider that just an Italian thing.

[Il_Siciliano]

Well actually sir I have the right to say whatever I want.

Well actually sir, you'll find that if you continue in this particulr vein of saying "anything you want" you might get banned. :D

[tabLengle]

Ah, so what you meant to say then was

"Superman was created by a Lithuanian Jew and a Canadian Jew who were however legally American for other people who like themselves were legally American".

Ok, I get you now.

Yep, as long as your legally American. And god it would suck to be a Canadian Jew, you would be the biggest wuss out there. No wonder this guy created an invincible hero.

And umm as long as I don't cross the boundries, Ill say whatever I want.

[Il_Siciliano]

I wouldn't say that^^ I'm a Sicilian Jew and I don't consider myself a wuss, and I imagine that there are plenty of non-wussy Jews, like in the Israeli army for instance.
Their lack of wussiness also translates in the fact that they don't resort to slagging off other cultures in a Superman Returns internet forum.

[tabLengle]

Don't even get me started on the Israeli army. There's a reason we always come to little Israeli's defense.

[Il_Siciliano]

No, please don't start. And talk Superman, you might make less of a fool of yourself.

[tabLengle]

I love making a fool of myself.

[Il_Siciliano]

I love making a fool of myself.

I can only imagine. It must take great dedication to be as good at it as you are.

[Showtime]

I love making a fool of myself.

So I've noticed. You from Athens Greece or Athens Georgia?

[Mr. Thing]

Superman is by Americans, FOR AMERICANS.

Er, no. Siegel once said in an interview that when they made Superman that they made it for the people pf the world to enjoy.

[Oldguy]

Er, no. Siegel once said in an interview that when they made Superman that they made it for the people pf the world to enjoy.

I don't think either Siegel or Shuster had any love for the "American Way" either, you know, where a faceless corporation screws you out of your livlihood and then proceeds to make biilions of dollars profit, while you squander the remainder of your days in abject poverty.

[skruloos]

Well actually sir I have the right to say whatever I want.
You're assuming that messageboards are a democracy. It is not. The rules are not created by the people but by the owners of the site. Your rights are limited to whatever the site owners deem acceptable.

[Mr. Thing]

I don't think either Siegel or Shuster had any love for the "American Way" either, you know, where a faceless corporation screws you out of your livlihood and then proceeds to make biilions of dollars profit, while you squander the remainder of your days in abject poverty.

Yeah, the system sucks.

[ToddIsDead]

Woah whered you hear that?
The recap is told through comic book panels. You may have seen some of them in one of the blogs.

[tabLengle]

I don't think either Siegel or Shuster had any love for the "American Way" either, you know, where a faceless corporation screws you out of your livlihood and then proceeds to make biilions of dollars profit, while you squander the remainder of your days in abject poverty.

Would that happen to be the same American Way that basically saved the world from Nazis, Fascists, Communists and Japanese Imperalists. The same American way that saved ANOTHER 6 million jews from being murdered, and rebuilt half the world on its own after World War 2, without which most of Europe would have starved. And if not for America, that little **** country of Mexico would be over populated and starving worse that it is already.

Ya know, I don't get all the hate on America. And your precious little Canada, without us, would be left completely defenseless and knowing you guys would role over and surrender to the first invader. The world should thank god everyday that we exist to protect little people like yourself in defenseless countries.

[tabLengle]

So I've noticed. You from Athens Greece or Athens Georgia?

Athens, OH

OHIO UNIVERSITY REPRESENT

[Showtime]

Athens, OH

OHIO UNIVERSITY REPRESENT

Very nice. :up:

[skruloos]

Would that happen to be the same American Way that basically saved the world from Nazis, Fascists, Communists and Japanese Imperalists. The same American way that saved ANOTHER 6 million jews from being murdered, and rebuilt half the world on its own after World War 2, without which most of Europe would have starved. And if not for America, that little **** country of Mexico would be over populated and starving worse that it is already.
It's easy to look up to a country when you overlook all of its faults. Sure, the US has done a lot of good in the world but it also has caused its fair share of problems. The "American Way" ain't all it's cracked up to be.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

It's easy to look up to a country when you overlook all of its faults. Sure, the US has done a lot of good in the world but it also has caused its fair share of problems. The "American Way" ain't all it's cracked up to be.

I see you're a half-empty kinda guy. And it's funny this type of attitude, like there aren't other countries/nations and people that are the same way.

[tabLengle]

It's easy to look up to a country when you overlook all of its faults. Sure, the US has done a lot of good in the world but it also has caused its fair share of problems. The "American Way" ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Id say the the good we have done has by far outwieghed the bad. Again, we have rebuilt, not to mention saved, an entire f-ing continent. May not be perfect, but the American way is the BEST way.

[Alonsovich]

Id say the the good we have done has by far outwieghed the bad. Again, we have rebuilt, not to mention saved, an entire f-ing continent. May not be perfect, but the American way is the BEST way.

For the moment... like every empire in history you guys will eventually fall against another system... it's a history law. Who would've thought during the rule of Octavius that the roman empire would fall? Same question applies for all the other empires in history. It's going to happen in one way or another.

[Nivek]

Id say the the good we have done has by far outwieghed the bad. Again, we have rebuilt, not to mention saved, an entire f-ing continent. May not be perfect, but the American way is the BEST way.


Im pretty sure developing, creating, and using the Atomic bomb kinda offsets our national karma, bud. I dont see the Planet thanking us for coming up with suicide warfare.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Im pretty sure developing, creating, and using the Atomic bomb kinda offsets our national karma, bud. I dont see the Planet thanking us for coming up with suicide warfare.

What you do not realize is that without the atomic bomb, we would've had to invade mainland Japan, which would have been much more devastating and caused a lot more casualities, civilian and military. It would have been much less humane to invade and probably made Normandy look like a walk in the park. It's a shame people don't realize this. Yes, it was horrible what happened, but it was necessary.

In fact, after the war, we helped Japan in having what is today one of the most successful economies in the world. They're doing pretty well today.

[Cinemaman]

1. Soon I hope we will get full trailer, and people will know about SR coming in summer. Also magazines, posters and tv-spots.

2. There will be shots from STM and SII with Routh in SR as flashbacks, so people will know much about this movie.

3. Superman is American icon, and people should know their hero.

[skruloos]

I see you're a half-empty kinda guy. And it's funny this type of attitude, like there aren't other countries/nations and people that are the same way.
Of course there are. That's the point. The US is not necessarily any better than any other nation.

[skruloos]

Id say the the good we have done has by far outwieghed the bad. Again, we have rebuilt, not to mention saved, an entire f-ing continent. May not be perfect, but the American way is the BEST way.
LOL. That's funny.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Of course there are. That's the point. The US is not necessarily any better than any other nation.

Nor are they any worse. But people easily forget the good the U.S. has done and only seem to remember the bad, especially in attempts to start arguments. Nowadays it's hip and "fashionable" to bash the country, which is sad. There's a lot of generalization about Americans from certain people and it's so hypocritical for these people when they do it in the name of human rights.

[skruloos]

Nor are they any worse. But people easily forget the good the U.S. has done and only seem to remember the bad, especially in attempts to start arguments. Nowadays it's hip and "fashionable" to bash the country, which is sad. There's a lot of generalization about Americans from certain people and it's so hypocritical for these people when they do it in the name of human rights.
That's funny. I see it the other way. I see it as people not remembering the bad that the US actually does because they get so caught up in the American Propaganda machine. They slam other countries in order to make the US seem greater than it is. But hey, that's the American Way.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

That's funny. I see it the other way. I see it as people not remembering the bad that the US actually does because they get so caught up in the American Propaganda machine. They slam other countries in order to make the US seem greater than it is. But hey, that's the American Way.

I don't see that at all. And it's the other countries that are slamming the U.S. I see it everywhere, in the news, even in movies. Places like Germany, the UK, and many other places with a history of violent conquest calling the U.S. imperial. It's hypocritical.

They don't mention the billions in Aid we give to countries, or the countless missionary workers we send to other places to help out.

BTW, what is this "American Propaganda Machine" that you keep bringing up?

[Cinemaman]

Never like politics.

[skruloos]

I don't see that at all. And it's the other countries that are slamming the U.S. I see it everywhere, in the news, even in movies. Places like Germany, the UK, and many other places with a history of violent conquest calling the U.S. imperial. It's hypocritical.
Oh please. Like the US is innocent of slamming other countries for not joining its war on terror. And the US is imperial. We're just not obvious about it.


They don't mention the billions in Aid we give to countries, or the countless missionary workers we send to other places to help out.
Or the countries we exploit for cheap labor for the profit of American businesses. Or the dictators we help set up to gain an economic foothold in a foreign industry.


BTW, what is this "American Propaganda Machine" that you keep bringing up?
It's the machine that moves through the world indoctrinating American culture and products into every country. It's part of the economic imperialism that the US had been spearheading better part of the last century. It's the beast that got kicked up and put into full gear after the events of 9/11.

[tabLengle]

Im pretty sure developing, creating, and using the Atomic bomb kinda offsets our national karma, bud. I dont see the Planet thanking us for coming up with suicide warfare.

SolidsnakeMGS pretty much covered it but allow me to retort that actually invading the island of Japan would have cost millions of American and Millions more Japanese lives because those people would hjave honestly fought until the last man. That was there way. The smarter thing to do for ARE soldiers was to scare them into sumbmission via the atomic bomb. And notice that they didnt surrender after the first bombing they still wanted to fight.

And yes we afterwards we helped rebuild them into the economic power they are today. And plus, Godzilla was created, so thats a plus right lol.

As far as countries like Iran getting the nuclear bomb, I blame the former Soviet Union. Thats were the got the parts and the plans, MANY years ago. Speaking of which, Russia is the most overrated piece of crap in histroy.

[tabLengle]

I don't see that at all. And it's the other countries that are slamming the U.S. I see it everywhere, in the news, even in movies. Places like Germany, the UK, and many other places with a history of violent conquest calling the U.S. imperial. It's hypocritical.

They don't mention the billions in Aid we give to countries, or the countless missionary workers we send to other places to help out.

BTW, what is this "American Propaganda Machine" that you keep bringing up?

EXACTLY. Britian and Germany have a far more extensive history of bloodhsed and Imperialism than the U.S. could ever dream of, yet in todays " liberal " world, were satan. And as you stated, we basically fund the third world and rebuilt f-ing Germany when the country was in ruin.

As far as the Middle East is concerned, without us that place would tear itself and possibly the world apart. WITHOUT US, the rest of the world is screwed. Without us, there is no financial aid and there is no protection. As I stated earlier, than your lucky stars for the United States everyone, I know I do.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

But now..the Brittish police the world.. and are first to help other countires in need..


i would say.. we have payed our dues..for past crimes.

[tabLengle]

Oh please. Like the US is innocent of slamming other countries for not joining its war on terror. And the US is imperial. We're just not obvious about it.


Or the countries we exploit for cheap labor for the profit of American businesses. Or the dictators we help set up to gain an economic foothold in a foreign industry.


It's the machine that moves through the world indoctrinating American culture and products into every country. It's part of the economic imperialism that the US had been spearheading better part of the last century. It's the beast that got kicked up and put into full gear after the events of 9/11.

America is no Empire. Except for Iraq, we do not run countries in the Middle East, Asia, or Africa ala the former British Empire. THATS and empire.

Are cheap labor keeps that countires economies alive mind you, tough ***** that the gotta work a little for it and not be handed money like citizens on welfare.

And I really think American propoganda about how are way of life is better than living under some authoritarian leader is better than the lives those people live everyday so YES they should want to be like us because we have freedom damnit.

[tabLengle]

For the moment... like every empire in history you guys will eventually fall against another system... it's a history law. Who would've thought during the rule of Octavius that the roman empire would fall? Same question applies for all the other empires in history. It's going to happen in one way or another.

Id like to think we won't fall, but your right, it's the law of history. I hope we can fight it though.

But if we fall, it will be from within. To steal from Hector in Troy, America will NEVER bow to a foriegn ruler.

[tabLengle]

damn liberals

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

Dude what the hell are you on.. this is a superman movie site?

[Alonsovich]

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Dude what the hell are you on.. this is a superman movie site?

Precisely... the Superman boards are the only place where I've ended up discussing about politics. Superman is a too political character to ignore that...

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Precisely... the Superman boards are the only place where I've ended up discussing about politics. Superman is a too political character to ignore that...


I know..:eek:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I think it's very revealing that during the tsunamis in 2004, we pledged over a billion in aid to the devastated region, yet when we went through Katrina, we were offered pocket change in return. Not only that, but a lot of big-mouths took the opportunity to once again declare open season for bashing

Now I loathe our admin as well, but it's ridiculous, close-minded, and plain ignorant to dismiss a country for a time of bad leadership. It's not just people that have bad times in their life.

[tabLengle]

I think it's very revealing that during the tsunamis in 2004, we pledged over a billion in aid to the devastated region, yet when we went through Katrina, we were offered pocket change in return. Not only that, but a lot of big-mouths took the opportunity to once again declare open season for bashing

Now I loathe our admin as well, but it's ridiculous, close-minded, and plain ignorant to dismiss a country for a time of bad leadership. It's not just people that have bad times in their life.

Again I agree with all of the above. But I will say this. In 08, Hillary Clinton is not the answer please don't cast your vote for her.

[tabLengle]

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Dude what the hell are you on.. this is a superman movie site?

Im a political Science major. Its what I do.

[tabLengle]

Very nice. :up:

Dude we threw a campus wide beach party last night and my buddy's frat had a few kegs so we partied there but there was so much hott a$$ walking around. It was off the hook. I still got a hangover.

[Showtime]

^Sounds like a time man. Beaches always bring the "right" crowd.

[tabLengle]

That They Do.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Im a political Science major. Its what I do.



very nice..just don't do it here..

:D

[explode7]

I think X3 will be more for the average movie goers than supes because they will go into the cinema knowing what to expect due to the previous films. Can't say the same for SR.

[dark_b]

I think X3 will be more for the average movie goers than supes because they will go into the cinema knowing what to expect due to the previous films. Can't say the same for SR.i agree. even we as fans dont know what to expect of this movie.

trailer? :)

[skruloos]

America is no Empire. Except for Iraq, we do not run countries in the Middle East, Asia, or Africa ala the former British Empire. THATS and empire.
Methinks you need to expand your idea of Empire. One doesn't need to colonize to be an empire. We have economic and culturial imperialism, not colonialism.


Are cheap labor keeps that countires economies alive mind you, tough ***** that the gotta work a little for it and not be handed money like citizens on welfare.
Keeps it alive? How? They get paid less for their work and the profits of the company don't go back into their economy. They go into the pockets of people in the US not back into the economy of some third world country.


And I really think American propoganda about how are way of life is better than living under some authoritarian leader is better than the lives those people live everyday so YES they should want to be like us because we have freedom damnit.
LOL. Keep going. You're a laugh-a-minute.

[skruloos]

Now I loathe our admin as well, but it's ridiculous, close-minded, and plain ignorant to dismiss a country for a time of bad leadership. It's not just people that have bad times in their life.
And I think that it's just ridiculous, close-minded, and plain ignorant to praise a country for cases of good leadership. It's not just people that have good times in their life.

The US does have its problems. Many of them. It's not the perfect place some people seem to think it to be. Is it better than a lot of places in the world? Sure. But that's not saying much.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

And I think that it's just ridiculous, close-minded, and plain ignorant to praise a country for cases of good leadership. It's not just people that have good times in their life.

Only difference is that I'm not praising it. I am however defending it from your baseless and ceaseless bashing, not to mention your paranoia about great machines of propaganda and imperialism. What we do is no different from what any other nation does. That doesn't mean it's good or bad, it's simply the way of life.

The US does have its problems. Many of them. It's not the perfect place some people seem to think it to be. Is it better than a lot of places in the world? Sure. But that's not saying much.

No one thinks its perfect, but given we have one of the highest immigration rates on the planet, that certainly says something about our way of life. We do not have to deal with wars within our coasts, invasions, genocides, huge outbreaks of disease, biblical-scale famine, violent government changes, and many other things that plague other places. We have one of the greatest art cultures in the world, and our music, movies, television, and many other things are recieved warmly the world over.

I'm pretty happy here. If you're not, do something about it or move. Simply posting on messageboards does nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[Metropolis_Man]

I think this movie is suitable for the average moviegoer. To some they may like it even more than some of the fanboys that continuously complain. I think it will definately be a movie that parents take their kids too. A lot about this movie, will be able to appeal to such a broad audience. The love story, the action, the hero, the humor, and just all around fun that Superman is.

[SuperDaniel]

Skruloos is a smart man. All i have to say to tabLengle is that if he is studying to be politician or historian, he needs to study more. :D I`m from a third world country(Brazil), lived in South America 22 years of my life, know the history of my continent and now i live in a first world country, in North America, in Canada. I`m lucky because i had the chance to know both sides of the stories. And i can say a lot of things that USA has done to make my country a better and worse place at the same time.
For example, we export a lot of products to USA and this helps our country economy. I wish we were as hardworker and patriotic as north americans are. My country wouldn`t be in the situation it is today if we fought more instead of waiting for it to happen, my self included. I love the organization of North America, taxes and all. If my country was like this there wouldn`t be a lot of corruption. However, there are bad things too. like for example, during the capitalism vs socialism era of the post WW II period till the fall of Soviet Union, the USA helped to put a dicatorship in my country in the 60`s/70`s and i guess you guys can have an idea of how bad that was for a lot of people. Another problem is The traffic of weapons. Weapons that are made in USA and first world countries. One problem leads to another. We are all connected in the world, somehow. Our actions, all of them, affect people directly or idirectly in the world. And to know our responsibilty, dont think of ourselves better than other, and do our part not as citznes of a country but as citzes of Earth is to be a hero. Thats where Superman is an inspiration. To me, at least.

[NotFadeAway]

Athens, OH

OHIO UNIVERSITY REPRESENT


Know wonder your such a tard!!! MIAMI UNIVERSITY REPRESENT!!! And yes its the college in Oxford, Ohio for you people out there!!!!!!!

I noticed all the politics and I just felt like adding my feelings in there. True Im an Accounting major, and I honestly don't care about any country other than my own, but I just want to say that a part of me wishes I lived in the 40's and 50's, pre-vietnam. The U.S. just had so much more grit and tenacity back then. We were as tough as we were free. Now are own citizens b*tch, moan, and complain everyday about there own country. I look at it from the point of view as Id rather be here than under the control of some dictator, because then I would just have to kill myself or die fighting. Im just trying to say, toughen up people, we need to rember where we came from!!!!!

And tabLengle, see ya in oxford next year while were kicking OU's a$$ all over the field!!!!!!!!

And Im not even gonna get started on the illegals in this country, but I want them gone!!!!!!!!

And yes, the movie IS suitable for everyday movie-goers!!!!!!!

[Fatboy Roberts]

yet when we went through Katrina, we were offered pocket change in return.

Don't wanna get TOO into this (wow is this off topic) but I'd like to clarify the above. There WAS a considerable amount of money and goods pledged from other countries to go towards Katrina/Rita recovery. The United States, by and large, turned them all down. Some got in. The ones that DID get in, as was just revealed by an oversight committee, were very horribly mishandled in a lot of cases. The official reasoning was that our bureaucracy wasn't used to handling that many donations and wasn't well equipped to keep track of what went where, and actually, at one point, REQUESTED that next time, not to donate or help so much.

People DID want to help. The government mostly refused that help and then didn't know what to do when it got there anyway.

Know wonder your such a tard!!! MIAMI UNIVERSITY REPRESENT!!!

And that's a pretty good representation of Miami University, actually.

[skruloos]

Only difference is that I'm not praising it. I am however defending it from your baseless and ceaseless bashing, not to mention your paranoia about great machines of propaganda and imperialism. What we do is no different from what any other nation does. That doesn't mean it's good or bad, it's simply the way of life.
Ceaseless bashing? No. I only bring up the faults of the US when others are bragging about the US, such as what tabLengle was doing.


I'm pretty happy here. If you're not, do something about it or move. Simply posting on messageboards does nothing in the grand scheme of things.
And who says that I don't? You assume that my political activities are relegated to message boards? I happen to volunteer for different activist groups.

Also, it's always funny to me that people who have problems with people criticizing the US recommend that I move.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Don't wanna get TOO into this (wow is this off topic) but I'd like to clarify the above. There WAS a considerable amount of money and goods pledged from other countries to go towards Katrina/Rita recovery.

Yes, but it wasn't close to the billion we've given to the tsunami victims. That was all I meant.

The largest came from Kuwait and Qatar (which were both substantial), then the rest was in the single digit millions.

Ceaseless bashing? No. I only bring up the faults of the US when others are bragging about the US, such as what tabLengle was doing.

So you're the self-designated bubble-burster? You like to rain on people's parades maybe?

And who says that I don't? You assume that my political activities are relegated to message boards? I happen to volunteer for different activist groups.

What kind of activist groups?

[tabLengle]

Know wonder your such a tard!!! MIAMI UNIVERSITY REPRESENT!!! And yes its the college in Oxford, Ohio for you people out there!!!!!!!

I noticed all the politics and I just felt like adding my feelings in there. True Im an Accounting major, and I honestly don't care about any country other than my own, but I just want to say that a part of me wishes I lived in the 40's and 50's, pre-vietnam. The U.S. just had so much more grit and tenacity back then. We were as tough as we were free. Now are own citizens b*tch, moan, and complain everyday about there own country. I look at it from the point of view as Id rather be here than under the control of some dictator, because then I would just have to kill myself or die fighting. Im just trying to say, toughen up people, we need to rember where we came from!!!!!

And tabLengle, see ya in oxford next year while were kicking OU's a$$ all over the field!!!!!!!!

And Im not even gonna get started on the illegals in this country, but I want them gone!!!!!!!!

And yes, the movie IS suitable for everyday movie-goers!!!!!!!

Bring it on preppy boy. Were gonna kick your a$$ in football next year, just like we do partying. Relocate to Indiana why don't ya.

[tabLengle]

Ceaseless bashing? No. I only bring up the faults of the US when others are bragging about the US, such as what tabLengle was doing.


And who says that I don't? You assume that my political activities are relegated to message boards? I happen to volunteer for different activist groups.

Also, it's always funny to me that people who have problems with people criticizing the US recommend that I move.

Dude I just strait up don't like you at all. You really should move to like Russia or something if you don't like it here, and then see if putting up with telling other worthless f-ing countries what to do is ok or not. How about that jerkoff. Im done being political.

[C. Lee]

If you want to talk politics....go to the Community forum. This is Superman Returns forum.

[tabLengle]

If you want to talk politics....go to the Community forum. This is Superman Returns forum.

Man seriously, this is a good thread, dont ruin it. You guys ruin everything.

[Fatboy Roberts]

This kid thinks he's slick or something.

[tabLengle]

I am slick Mr. Oregon.

[Fatboy Roberts]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[tabLengle]

I wasnt addresing you anyway " fatboy " so your cpmments really dont effect me in anyway go to the aquaman boards.

[tabLengle]

" son " " kid " whatever go away

[C. Lee]

Man seriously, this is a good thread, dont ruin it. You guys ruin everything.
How's this for ruining things.....you have had one name banned (we let people come back under another name and see how they act the second time)....so this one is treading on thin ice (as well as the other names you have made)......how many of them do you want banned?

[skruloos]

So you're the self-designated bubble-burster? You like to rain on people's parades maybe?
I like to balance out perception.


What kind of activist groups?
I'd rather not name names of organizations I am affiliated with. However, I can tell you what we work for. One deals with descendants of Japenese Internment families. Another deals with 3rd world working conditions for American companies. Another is with farm workers in the US. Another deals with foreign immigrants who fought for the US in different times of war and were promised equal benefits to American soldiers and immigration to the US for their families. Once they got here, those benefits were denied them although they served on US bases for the US military. Those are just a few that I've been involved with off and on.

[Showtime]

How's this for ruining things.....you have had one name banned (we let people come back under another name and see how they act the second time)....so this one is treading on thin ice (as well as the other names you have made)......how many of them do you want banned?

Interesting...very interesting indeed.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Interesting...very interesting indeed.



you thinking what i'm thinking.

[Hunter Rider]

you thinking what I'm thinking.

It's not Saph,Saph is from the UK,this guy is clearly an American

Stepping through the revisionist history and ridiculous chest beating(Might i remind the "leave the US ppl that it is the land of freedom not subservience so an opinion is allowed) I think SR will have no problem being understood by the general audience

BTW shame on no one putting over the awesome double barreled "Formula" line from Oldguy

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

It's not Saph,Saph is from the UK,this guy is clearly an American

Stepping through the revisionist history and ridiculous chest beating(Might i remind the "leave the US ppl that it is the land of freedom not subservience so an opinion is allowed) I think SR will have no problem being understood by the general audience

BTW shame on no one putting over the awesome double barreled "Formula" line from Oldguy



I know HR... is was just a quick thought.


Love the avvy dude. :up:

[Superfreak]

Saw the title of the thread: thought, only someone extremely stupid, or extremely young and naive would ask a question like this.

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THREAD EVER.

Let me explain: here's a rhetorical question, why would anyone make a movie that is Not suitable for the average movie goer? WHY?

the answer: NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD EVER DO THAT. This is because regardless of what is being sold, the primary purpose of a movie is to make $$$$$$$$. Why spend 300 million on making a movie that is only appealing to a minority demographic? WHY?

so, of course this movie is going to be accessible by the average movie goer. Not to do so would be retarded. WB may be evil, and short sighted, but they are not stupid enough to make a movie with a budget as gigantic as Superman Returns', and only market the movie to fans who have seen the first movie.

the real question is: where has the common sense of some of the posters on this board gone? I mean come on people, it's not that complicated

[NateGray]

And I think that it's just ridiculous, close-minded, and plain ignorant to praise a country for cases of good leadership. It's not just people that have good times in their life.

The US does have its problems. Many of them. It's not the perfect place some people seem to think it to be. Is it better than a lot of places in the world? Sure. But that's not saying much.

LMAO
wow just wow where are you from so we can start bashing the country you live in for only the bad things ignoring any good it may have done because we only see the bad....
Kinda like what you are doing to the USA....:down


Seriously the bashing USA crap need to disappear from this forum its not the place this is the SR forum not the anti American forum....

[NateGray]

Ceaseless bashing? No. I only bring up the faults of the US when others are bragging about the US, such as what tabLengle was doing.


And who says that I don't? You assume that my political activities are relegated to message boards? I happen to volunteer for different activist groups.

Also, it's always funny to me that people who have problems with people criticizing the US recommend that I move.

LMAO
You wonder why people want you out of a country that you live in and bash....
The word hyprocite comes to mind try living in say china and bashing ther government yep go for it sparky....

[Hunter Rider]

That'll teach you Skru for daring to have an opinion that doesn't involve having your head buried in the sand:o

[C. Lee]

This thread is for discussing whether or not todays public can accept both the stereotypical "Boyscout" goodness of a superhero along with the apparent social/familial updates of the peritherial characters.......


.......not about who's government or leaders are best/worst or who does/doesn't get respect around the world. Political rants can go to community.

[NateGray]

That'll teach you Skru for daring to have an opinion that doesn't involve having your head buried in the sand:o

Yes just because we are not bashing the country we live in we must have our heads buried in the sand right Moron....

[NateGray]

Please just delete this thread

[Hunter Rider]

Yes just because we are not bashing the country we live in we must have our heads buried in the sand right Moron....
Actually your the moron telling Skru he basically has no right to question his governemnt,that is burying your head in the sand

[C. Lee]

This thread is for discussing whether or not todays public can accept both the stereotypical "Boyscout" goodness of a superhero along with the apparent social/familial updates of the peritherial characters.......


.......not about who's government or leaders are best/worst or who does/doesn't get respect around the world. Political rants can go to community.
This was an interesting post.

[Hunter Rider]

This was an interesting post.
Sorry about that C
I hope someone starts a thread on this "US love it or leave it" train of thought in community though

[NateGray]

Actually your the moron telling Skru he basically has no right to question his governemnt,that is burying your head in the sand

Look Dipshxt....much as your pea brain cannot grasp this my head is not buried in the sand about the good or bad things the government does.
I had had enough of his bashing just for the sake of bashing even when presented with argumnents showing it is not entirely evil as he would have everyone believe.

why is this thread still here....didn't the Mod just say they would delete it well delete away kktnx....

[Hunter Rider]

Look Dipshxt....much as your pea brain cannot grasp this my head is not buried in the sand about the good or bad things the government does.
I had had enough of his bashing just for the sake of bashing even when presented with argumnents showing it is not entirely evil as he would have everyone believe.

why is this thread still here....didn't the Mod just say they would delete it well delete away kktnx....

LOL you just proved why ppl have a view that America is full of arrogant ignorant rednecks,congrats child:up:

[Showtime]

I don't think the thread needs to be deleted just needs to get back on track. Skruloos has brought very good points to the post to support his opinion and others have brought up very good points to support theirs.

[NateGray]

LOL you just proved why ppl have a view that America is full of arrogant ignorant rednecks,congrats child:up:

but you see with Moron boy here insulting people it will never get back on track right ass....
So now I am a redneck right dipshxt....
not even close but I know what you are a pansy punk ass biotch who likes to bash things from the comfort of there own home and without having to fight for things you believe in because pansy's like yuy do not believe in fighting right BOY...
delete the thread

[C. Lee]

Look Dipshxt....much as your pea brain cannot grasp this my head is not buried in the sand about the good or bad things the government does.
I had had enough of his bashing just for the sake of bashing even when presented with argumnents showing it is not entirely evil as he would have everyone believe.

why is this thread still here....didn't the Mod just say they would delete it well delete away kktnx....
Please post one more post like this in this thread....then I can put you on probation and meet my quota for the day for probating hardheaded jingnostic loudmouths.

I SAID STOP IT TWICE BEFORE....THE NEXT TIME IT'S DEFINATELY OVER WITH!!

[NateGray]

Please post one more post like this in this thread....then I can put you on probation and meet my quota for the day for probating hardheaded jingnostic loudmouths.

I SAID STOP IT TWICE BEFORE....THE NEXT TIME IT'S DEFINATELY OVER WITH!!
Oh I see how it is I say something and Mr big bad ass mod threatens me but apparently him attacking me is ok right got it hyprocite....

[Hunter Rider]

I don't need to post on this extra stuff anymore when clearly self-owning is in effect,easy to win an argument when someone does all the work for you:)


Now back on topic,this movie will not have a problem as far as confusion goes,One thing im sure of is that Singer will lay it out in a fashion that explains clearly what has happened prior and that will lead into why Superman left and what brought him back

[C. Lee]

Oh I see how it is I say something and Mr big bad ass mod threatens me but apparently him attacking me is ok right got it hyprocite....
If you would take the chip off of your shoulder (that apparently is blocking your view of this thread)....you will see that I twice told everyone to stop arguing....and they did and you didn't......so you have 3 days off.

[Showtime]

I agree, I think that the average movie goer will be given plenty of opportunity from the trailer and tv spots, as well as the beginning of the movie, to be educated on what they'll be dealing with in regards to storyline.

[Superfreak]

This thread is for discussing whether or not todays public can accept both the stereotypical "Boyscout" goodness of a superhero along with the apparent social/familial updates of the peritherial characters.......


.......not about who's government or leaders are best/worst or who does/doesn't get respect around the world. Political rants can go to community.


umm, I thought this thread was about what is stated in the first post: From what I gathered, the first post said something like this: Will the average movie goer, who does not remember STM be able to understand, swallow, and comprehend what is happening in SR.

[Oldguy]

**I thought you were better than that Oldguy....you see just above you that I put a guy on probation for continuing the political argument....why do you want to restart trouble?**

BTW shame on no one putting over the awesome double barreled "Formula" line from Oldguy

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?

Oh ya right, back on topic, will the average viewer get it? I think they will, until it's time to announce the kid's patronage. Unless they show Superman and Lois doin it, I don't think people are gonna understand when the kid was concieved.

[Hunter Rider]

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?.

:confused:

Anyway i was referring to your comment of "kids like formula" which i thought was a nice little double shot at the brains of kids and the powdered formula that babies feed on.........maybe i was wrong:(

[C. Lee]

umm, I thought this thread was about what is stated in the first post: From what I gathered, the first post said something like this: Will the average movie goer, who does not remember STM be able to understand, swallow, and comprehend what is happening in SR.
Fine...great...wonderful....THE POINT WAS.....THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION THREAD!!!!!

Does everyone understand that?

[Oldguy]

Fine...great...wonderful....THE POINT WAS.....THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION THREAD!!!!!

Does everyone understand that?

Oh I thought it was not to be argued about, so I thought agreeing was ok, my bad. Thank you for clarification.

Btw I don't think you have a big ass.

[Oldguy]

:confused:

Anyway i was referring to your comment of "kids like formula" which i thought was a nice little double shot at the brains of kids and the powdered formula that babies feed on.........maybe i was wrong:(


Ahh I get you now. No you were right.