What's the Big deal with Schrieber?

[L0ngsh0t]

i am starting this thread because i am zooming around different threads, and i see the same moronic responsies on every post about two face...

it's Schrieber or bust...

Schrieber dammit...

i am not mistaken, this is the guy from scream fame...

lets get david arquette to play the joker aye? aye? he would be a funny clown? aye? aye?

courtney cox as selina kyle? huh? i think so...lets do that

jamie kennedy as riddle, he can X batman and laugh..

b list actors have no place in this movie...

Schrieber obviously is head and shoulders above that group, but that isn't saying much when ben affleck looks like a gaint when standing next to david arquette..

Schrieber is a good actor, but is not the end all chosen one promised child, that DC has been forshadowing for years as the perfect Harvey Dent...no...he is a decent actor, and there are many many more actors that can play Harvey Dent just as good, if not better

[TheFalcon]

I definitly prefer Schreiber for the role of Harvey Dent.
He's a good actor IMO and he looks exactly like Harvey Dent does in The Long Halloween comic (origin of Two-Face). If somebody has a picture comparison please post.

I also love the shot of him in the rain in Sum of All Fears- You just have to add Gordon next to him and place them on a rooftop waiting for Batman and it's perfect.

I could accept someone else as Dent, but not any of those you mentioned. Law is too well known and the other too doesn't look like Harvey IMO.
Josh Lucas has been rumoured lately and I could see him in the role.

[L0ngsh0t]

ohh i just named three actors at random who are better then Schrieber, the only one of the three i think would make a legitiamte Dent would be Mikey Rourke, who would kick ass

[Ronny Shade]

I've never really been all that pro-screiber, but I must object to your discrimination against B-movie actors.

Again: my choices
Joaquin Pheonix
Dougray Scott
Tim Daly

[kytrigger]

I think you are seriously underestimating Schrieber. Yes he was in Scream, big deal. That's like saying Christian Bale would be a bad Batman because he was in Shaft. He has proven through other roles that he not only has good range acting wise, but that he can cut it with other top-notch actors. Think about it, Batman Begins has some absolutely fabulous actors in it from Christian Bale to Michael Caine to Gary Oldman. If you don't get an actor that can hang with those guys (and others) then his character will simply disappear into the background.

Schrieber proved this by holding his own in the Manchurian Candidate with actors like Denzel Washington and Meryl Streep.

Another plus to Liev Schrieber is not only that he has the look and acting talent for the role, but he is only semi-famous. People are constantly saying how they don't want a huge A-list celebrity for the Joker like Depp, so why would you want one for Dent? He is famous enough where peole will recognize his face and some movies he's been in, but "unknown" enough so that he won't trump the other actors in the film.

[Super_Ludacris]

Wonder if Liev will take it

[L0ngsh0t]

I think you are seriously underestimating Schrieber. Yes he was in Scream, big deal. That's like saying Christian Bale would be a bad Batman because he was in Shaft. He has proven through other roles that he not only has good range acting wise, but that he can cut it with other top-notch actors. Think about it, Batman Begins has some absolutely fabulous actors in it from Christian Bale to Michael Caine to Gary Oldman. If you don't get an actor that can hang with those guys (and others) then his character will simply disappear into the background.

Schrieber proved this by holding his own in the Manchurian Candidate with actors like Denzel Washington and Meryl Streep.

Another plus to Liev Schrieber is not only that he has the look and acting talent for the role, but he is only semi-famous. People are constantly saying how they don't want a huge A-list celebrity for the Joker like Depp, so why would you want one for Dent? He is famous enough where peole will recognize his face and some movies he's been in, but "unknown" enough so that he won't trump the other actors in the film.



do you honestly believe everything you say?

watch sum of all fears, watch manchurian candidate, and watch the hurricane. Schriebers only 3 movies worth ****...he is the same person in all three movies..

then watch the screams and phantoms, he is the exact same actor..HE HAS NO RANGE...none...

i would personally love Depp as the Riddler, simply because, Depp is a fantastic actor, and can do anything, any role, any where any time, give him the f***ing Penguin and he will be the best penguin you can get

acting is acting, and good actors can do anything, where as actors like Schrieber can't

ed norton, is a actor, watch primal fear and then tell me what acting is, watch american history x, and tell me what acting is...

watch those movies, then watch sum of all fears, manchurian candidate, any of the complete sub par roles Schrieber is in, and then tell me what acting is, it isn't Schrieber..

im not saying get norton, or depp, or A list

but like there is a guy like Clive Owen who is a fantastic actor who looks like two face, and is also the huge man two face is too..

there is mikey Rourke who i think personality wise is Harvey Dent, and he would be a badass for batman to sqaure off against..though, i think he would be a good two face, not a good dent...

josh lucas, has done better acting roles the Schrieber..glory road had more depth and range then anything Shreiber does

he isn't that great..he's a good actor, but he is very far from the top, and dangerously close to the middle

[Super_Ludacris]

Sometimes its not about range but how you use your style to the character (Pacino and Denzel)

[starfighter]

Wow L0ngsh0t, why are you so against Liev Shrieber? Seriously.

[kytrigger]

do you honestly believe everything you say?

watch sum of all fears, watch manchurian candidate, and watch the hurricane. Schriebers only 3 movies worth ****...he is the same person in all three movies..

then watch the screams and phantoms, he is the exact same actor..HE HAS NO RANGE...none...

i would personally love Depp as the Riddler, simply because, Depp is a fantastic actor, and can do anything, any role, any where any time, give him the f***ing Penguin and he will be the best penguin you can get

acting is acting, and good actors can do anything, where as actors like Schrieber can't

ed norton, is a actor, watch primal fear and then tell me what acting is, watch american history x, and tell me what acting is...

watch those movies, then watch sum of all fears, manchurian candidate, any of the complete sub par roles Schrieber is in, and then tell me what acting is, it isn't Schrieber..

im not saying get norton, or depp, or A list

but like there is a guy like Clive Owen who is a fantastic actor who looks like two face, and is also the huge man two face is too..

there is mikey Rourke who i think personality wise is Harvey Dent, and he would be a badass for batman to sqaure off against..though, i think he would be a good two face, not a good dent...

josh lucas, has done better acting roles the Schrieber..glory road had more depth and range then anything Shreiber does

he isn't that great..he's a good actor, but he is very far from the top, and dangerously close to the middle

First off don't talk down to me like I'm an idiot. I am here to talk about a role in a film and you decide to act like an elitist.

Yes, in the 3 movies you mentioned his characters are similar, that doesn't mean he has no range. And the funny part is all of those characters (save maybe for Hurricane) fall eerily close to the character of Harvey Dent in Long Halloween.

I would like to see Johnny Depp in a role in this movie too. I said in my last post that SOME PEOPLE don't want a big name celebrity like Depp or Norton as they feel they would overshadow the other actors, not that you didn't want them. Your original post questioned why some people are wanting Schrieber for the role. All I am doing is telling you what some peole think.

Obviously we have different opinions on some things. I don't think Josh Lucas' role in Glory Road destroys anything Schrieber has ever done like you do. I am fine with that, it is your opinion. All i merely did was tell you why I and some others think Schrieber would be good for the role and you decided to act like an *******.

[Ronny Shade]

Wait, since when is Mickey Rourke A-list? I'd never even heard of him before Sin City.

[kytrigger]

Wait, since when is Mickey Rourke A-list? I'd never even heard of him before Sin City.

I wouldn't really call him A-list, but he has been around for a while and is somewhat known. He has been in some pretty well known movies like Rainmaker and Thin Red Line. He got pretty popular in the film 9 1/2 Weeks, and it seems that since then (to me atleast) that he always disappears for several years, then makes a comeback, then disappears again.

[L0ngsh0t]

last three posters

super ludacris-Pacino and Denzel are two of the finest actors in their respected decades, i agree nether shows much range, but you must also notice the stark difference in their performences verse Schrieber

starfighter-i am not anti-schrieber, i am anti everyone who thinks he is the best man for the job, i am trying to show people what acting is when it is done fantastic, i do not think schrieber is a fantastic actor, i think he is an ok actor

kytrigger-i apologize, you answerd my question fairly and i talked down to you, sorry for that (seriously sinciere) you said schrieber can hold is own in the manchurian candidate, but i will ask, who dosen't look good playing opposite denzel washington? martain lawrence would be a suitable actor in a denzel movie

you also said the thing about Bale in Shaft compared with Liev in Scream, first of all there is no comparison for as poor of a movie as Shaft is, Scream 2 is about as bad as it gets really


but in his early resume pre batman begins, bale has done many different roles that have certified him as an actor...cocky bad guy in shaft, completely insane killer, but a suave gentlemen, who is full of himself, in american psycho...a man who starves himself, a loner, and haunted by ghosts in the machines....i don't exactly remember his role in equilibrium but i think it was like super solider who learns the truth and turns on his government

point his, compare Bale's pre Batman resume vs Schrieber, and it really isn't very close

to all who think i am anti schrieber i am not, i simply think there are much better options out there, and am trying to get my point across when most of you are saying things like Liev or bust i am trying to make my voice heard.

but if in the end it is schrieber i will be cool with it, because i respect Nolans desicions

[L0ngsh0t]

i wouldn't call Rourke A list ether but i do think he would be a bad ass two face

[Ronny Shade]

"Al Pacino" and "no range" should never exist in a sentence together.

I condemn this thread :down

[L0ngsh0t]

i condem you watch the 75 gangster/cop movies he is in and tell me he has range

[Ronny Shade]

What the hell kind of Pacino movies do you watch anyway??

Try Serpico. Try Dog Day Afternoon. Scarface. Even S1mone. Try saying those preformances are even remotely the same as Michael Corleone.

[The Chairman]

Mickey Rourke is way too ugly for Two-Face. I'm not saying we should some clueless male underwear model, but Dnet needs to be a good looking guy so that when he becomes disfigured it makes it all the more tragic. Rourke already looks disfigured. And he's too old.

As for Schrieber, I want him so bad for the part. He looks like Harvey from TLH, for starters. He is also a fantastic actor. Don't let the fact that he was in Scream fool you. Like someone said, Bale was in Shaft. He is classically trained, and has even appeared in several Shakespearean productions, for which he garnered critical acclaim. He will be perfect for Two-Face.

[The Chairman]

Sometimes its not about range but how you use your style to the character (Pacino and Denzel)

Excellent. Same thing applies to Nicholson, Walken and Goldblum. What they lack in range they make up with their style as well as their dedication and charisma.

[Ronny Shade]

Mickey Rourke is way too ugly for Two-Face. I'm not saying we should some clueless male underwear model, but Dnet needs to be a good looking guy so that when he becomes disfigured it makes it all the more tragic. Rourke already looks disfigured. And he's too old.

As for Schrieber, I want him so bad for the part. He looks like Harvey from TLH, for starters. He is also a fantastic actor. Don't let the fact that he was in Scream fool you. Like someone said, Bale was in Shaft. He is classically trained, and has even appeared in several Shakespearean productions, for which he garnered critical acclaim. He will be perfect for Two-Face.

Schreiber's not exactly a babe. That's why I was kind of against him a while back.

[The Chairman]

What the hell kind of Pacino movies do you watch anyway??

Try Serpico. Try Dog Day Afternoon. Scarface. Even S1mone. Try saying those preformances are even remotely the same as Michael Corleone.

Pacino has range, but not a great amount. I'm not dissing him. Pacino is one of the greatest actors of all time, and he's my second favorite actor after Nicholson.

But actors with range are actors who completely change their look, their voice, and mannerisms for every role. Like Gordon himself, Gary Oldman.

[kytrigger]

last three posters

super ludacris-Pacino and Denzel are two of the finest actors in their respected decades, i agree nether shows much range, but you must also notice the stark difference in their performences verse Schrieber

starfighter-i am not anti-schrieber, i am anti everyone who thinks he is the best man for the job, i am trying to show people what acting is when it is done fantastic, i do not think schrieber is a fantastic actor, i think he is an ok actor

kytrigger-i apologize, you answerd my question fairly and i talked down to you, sorry for that (seriously sinciere) you said schrieber can hold is own in the manchurian candidate, but i will ask, who dosen't look good playing opposite denzel washington? martain lawrence would be a suitable actor in a denzel movie

you also said the thing about Bale in Shaft compared with Liev in Scream, first of all there is no comparison for as poor of a movie as Shaft is, Scream 2 is about as bad as it gets really


but in his early resume pre batman begins, bale has done many different roles that have certified him as an actor...cocky bad guy in shaft, completely insane killer, but a suave gentlemen, who is full of himself, in american psycho...a man who starves himself, a loner, and haunted by ghosts in the machines....i don't exactly remember his role in equilibrium but i think it was like super solider who learns the truth and turns on his government

point his, compare Bale's pre Batman resume vs Schrieber, and it really isn't very close

to all who think i am anti schrieber i am not, i simply think there are much better options out there, and am trying to get my point across when most of you are saying things like Liev or bust i am trying to make my voice heard.

but if in the end it is schrieber i will be cool with it, because i respect Nolans desicions

I understand what you are talking about with Liev acting alongside Denzel and Meryl, and that anyone could be good, but I honestly think it would be harder to do. Both Denzel Washington and Meryl Streep are absolutely fabulous, but they are also natural magnets on screen (moreso Denzel than Streep). It's hard to explain, but Denzel Washington can often give an very dominating presence on screen (not a bad thing). Anyone on a screen with him has to face that dominating presence and still be force too. I am not an actor, but to me, that seems extremely difficult even with someone like Denzel Washington helps bring out the best in you.

I do agree with you that Bale has shown more range in his movies than Schrieber hands down, but I feel that while Schrieber does do roles that are sometimes similar, he does have some subtle differences that show me his potential.

And don't worry about the last posts we had. From reading your previous posts I knew that you are pretty level headed and think your posts out. I know how tough it is with some posters on this board and you can never tell if someone is actually here to discuss, or just here to piss people off. I apologize too for snapping back.

[The Chairman]

Schreiber's not exactly a babe. That's why I was kind of against him a while back.

He's engaged to Naomi Watts.

Case closed.

[Ronny Shade]

He's engaged to Naomi Watts.

Case closed.
I didn't know that.

[Dark Knight]

Mickey Rourke is way too ugly for Two-Face. I'm not saying we should some clueless male underwear model, but Dnet needs to be a good looking guy so that when he becomes disfigured it makes it all the more tragic. Rourke already looks disfigured. And he's too old.

As for Schrieber, I want him so bad for the part. He looks like Harvey from TLH, for starters. He is also a fantastic actor. Don't let the fact that he was in Scream fool you. Like someone said, Bale was in Shaft. He is classically trained, and has even appeared in several Shakespearean productions, for which he garnered critical acclaim. He will be perfect for Two-Face.


he is doing roles on Broadway currently.....he also directs. Plus he has solid facial features and build for Dent. He has some wicked looking eyebrows also....

[L0ngsh0t]

ANTHONYNASTI-

you have officially topped the list of worst acting taste of all time

you say that christopher walken has no range....go to hell..watch the deer hunter..watch propechy...watch catch me if you can...and then watch wedding crahsers, and notice the completley non similar roles that thoes are, true romance, pulp fiction different roles

bale was in shaft true, but for one, measure shaft vs scream it isn't even close

also, look at bales resume pre batman, The Machinest, American Psycho, Memento, Equillibrium...excellent movies that Bale shows that he is a true actor, Schrieber as **** on any of those movies, if he would have once done something half as good as those movies you would have a case

manchurian candidate is not close so don't give me that ****, the hurricane was good, but not because of Schriebers performance

i would like to say i hope it is schrber blows up in your face, but i want this movie to be good to so i wont say that

[The Chairman]

I didn't know that.

They've been going out for about a year.

[Ronny Shade]

Pacino and Denzel have wayyy more range than Walken.


I actually think Denzel has killer range. A lot of times I don't even recognize him for a few minutes. Then I'm like "Oh hey! It's Denzel" and everyone's like "duh"

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm not dissing when I say Denzel and Al have style that's used. Maybe I should have said they use there signature acting style rather than diversity like Johnny Depp. Liev applies similarly.

That aint dissing any of them

[The Chairman]

ANTHONYNASTI-

you have officially topped the list of worst acting taste of all time

you say that christopher walken has no range....go to hell..watch the deer hunter..watch propechy...watch catch me if you can...and then watch wedding crahsers, and notice the completley non similar roles that thoes are, true romance, pulp fiction different roles

bale was in shaft true, but for one, measure shaft vs scream it isn't even close

also, look at bales resume pre batman, The Machinest, American Psycho, Memento, Equillibrium...excellent movies that Bale shows that he is a true actor, Schrieber as **** on any of those movies, if he would have once done something half as good as those movies you would have a case

manchurian candidate is not close so don't give me that ****, the hurricane was good, but not because of Schriebers performance

i would like to say i hope it is schrber blows up in your face, but i want this movie to be good to so i wont say that

Hey! First of all, telling me to go to hell is a bit harsh. Secondly, Walken may be able to play different types of characters, but in everything I've seen of him (and I've seen a lot of his stuff), his voice, his speech patterns and his mannerisms are all the same. I'm not saying he's a bad actor. He's one of my Top Five favorite actors.

Secondly, Bale does indeed have a great resume.

(He wasn't in Memento, though).

I thought the remake of The Manchurian Candidate was decent, but it didn't hold a candle to the original. But I thought Schreiber did well.

And I have great taste in actors as well as actresses. I'll post my Top 100 if you want to see it.

[The Chairman]

I actually think Denzel has killer range. A lot of times I don't even recognize him for a few minutes. Then I'm like "Oh hey! It's Denzel" and everyone's like "duh"

Yeah, watch him in Cry Freedom. I had to ask the teacher if it was Denzel, and he wasn't so sure himself.

[Ronny Shade]

I'm not dissing when I say Denzel and Al have style that's used. Maybe I should have said they use there signature acting style rather than diversity like Johnny Depp. Liev applies similarly.

That aint dissing any of them

I'd put Depp in the "style" category as well, actually.


Yeah, watch him in Cry Freedom. I had to ask the teacher if it was Denzel, and he wasn't so sure himself.
lol. I'm glad I'm not the only one that happens to.

[Super_Ludacris]

If diversity is his signature style sure, but every actor utilises a different approach, so it depends on your outlook. But there all dope actors

[Ronny Shade]

Maybe I've been watching all the wrong Depp movies. To me, he's always Depp. He can play different characters with different attitudes and different mannerisms but there are certain Depp mannerisms that just don't ever go away. Unlike say Denzel or Bale who seem to disappear into the role more.

[Super_Ludacris]

Hence why I said your point is probably right too. Like you can flip it and say "well maybe diversity and singature styles arent seperate things, maybe diversity IS a singanture style"

[Ronny Shade]

Sure, but I don't find Depp's roles all that diverse. He's always that aloof, semi-spaced out guy.

At least in the stuff I've seen.

[Two-Face]

i see the same moronic responsies on every post about two face...



I stopped reading after that...:down

....... it's called opinions mate.:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

True, lotta people getting upset on these boards about people's opinions right here.

[Ronny Shade]

My opinion is that Luda should put Kreuk back up.

[Shoemeister]

i am not mistaken, this is the guy from scream fame...

lets get david arquette to play the joker aye? aye? he would be a funny clown? aye? aye?

courtney cox as selina kyle? huh? i think so...lets do that

jamie kennedy as riddle, he can X batman and laugh..

b list actors have no place in this movie...

Hmm.... how should I put this?
Ah, yes...... you're an idiot.

Read the sig.

[Two-Face]

My opinion is that Luda should put Kreuk back up.


I concur.

[Super_Ludacris]

My opinion is that Luda should put Kreuk back up.


Kreuk is still the truth, that's wifey right there:O

But this avy had to be done for:eek: purposes

Plus Ashley Hartman is hot too

[Ronny Shade]

word.

[StorminNorman]

Excuse me, but why do we need an actor with fantastic range to play Harvey Dent? Schrieber has shown that he can play both the caring politician needed for Harvey Dent, and the psyco needed for Two-Face in the Manchurian Canidate - what else do you really need? Add that to his Harvey Dent looks, and the fact that he is a serious, professional, classically trained actor and you got a man who can hold his own verse any actor up for the role.

So basically, in conclusion: SCHRIEBER (and Bettany) DAMMIT!!!!!

[The Chairman]

Excuse me, but why do we need an actor with fantastic range to play Harvey Dent? Schrieber has shown that he can play both the caring politician needed for Harvey Dent, and the psyco needed for Two-Face in the Manchurian Canidate - what else do you really need? Add that to his Harvey Dent looks, and the fact that he is a serious, professional, classically trained actor and you got a man who can hold his own verse any actor up for the role.

So basically, in conclusion: SCHRIEBER (and Bettany) DAMMIT!!!!!

:up:

[Katsuro]

Whether or not Schrieber has fantastic range, the fact is he does have the ability to play a fantastic Harvey Dent and Two-Face, and that's all that matters. I dont care what else he can do, I care what he can do in this role, and from what i've seen in Manchurian Candidate and Sum of All Fears, he can do Dent/Two-Face.

I've come to the point where I just cant, and dont want to, see anyone else in the role of Dent. I can just imagine him in a scene with Batman and Gordon, saying his famous line, "Two shots to the head, if you ask me it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."

[Ronny Shade]

That line is to comics what "Make him an offer he can't refuse" is to film

[Super_Ludacris]

Excuse me, but why do we need an actor with fantastic range to play Harvey Dent? Schrieber has shown that he can play both the caring politician needed for Harvey Dent, and the psyco needed for Two-Face in the Manchurian Canidate - what else do you really need? Add that to his Harvey Dent looks, and the fact that he is a serious, professional, classically trained actor and you got a man who can hold his own verse any actor up for the role.

So basically, in conclusion: SCHRIEBER (and Bettany) DAMMIT!!!!!


Yep, and that was my point. Sure you can get a diverse actor but thespians with signature styles can apply too and are usually the quick pick. So while I personally havent picked Liev as my Dent choice I cant get mad at someone who would as I'm sure he would be a good choice.

[Two-Face]

Whether or not Schrieber has fantastic range, the fact is he does have the ability to play a fantastic Harvey Dent and Two-Face, and that's all that matters. I dont care what else he can do, I care what he can do in this role, and from what i've seen in Manchurian Candidate and Sum of All Fears, he can do Dent/Two-Face.

I've come to the point where I just cant, and dont want to, see anyone else in the role of Dent. I can just imagine him in a scene with Batman and Gordon, saying his famous line, "Two shots to the head, if you ask me it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."


I hope that quote is in BB2 it's like when Batman visits Gordon in his office and Batman says "You're good cop, one of the few" that was refence to Y1

[StorminNorman]

Whether or not Schrieber has fantastic range, the fact is he does have the ability to play a fantastic Harvey Dent and Two-Face, and that's all that matters. I dont care what else he can do, I care what he can do in this role, and from what i've seen in Manchurian Candidate and Sum of All Fears, he can do Dent/Two-Face.

I've come to the point where I just cant, and dont want to, see anyone else in the role of Dent. I can just imagine him in a scene with Batman and Gordon, saying his famous line, "Two shots to the head, if you ask me it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."

Exactly - I feel the same way about Paul Bettany for the Joker.

[The Chairman]

Exactly - I feel the same way about Paul Bettany for the Joker.

Yeah. Schreiber / Bettany or bust.

[The-Night]

Yeah. Schreiber / Bettany or bust.

Don't ruin the sequel for yourselfs fellows, keep an open mind. I think Nolan has established that he knows what he's doing.
IN NOLAN WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!

[The Fallen]

Don't ruin the sequel for yourselfs fellows, keep an open mind. I think Nolan has established that he knows what he's doing.
IN NOLAN WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. Sure we all have our casting favorites, but at the end of the day as long as that person protrays the character right, that's all that matters.

[Ronny Shade]

Nolan is not my god.

I see him more as a divinely inspired priest.

[Katsuro]

I hope that quote is in BB2 it's like when Batman visits Gordon in his office and Batman says "You're good cop, one of the few" that was refence to Y1

Yeah, and "Dr. Crane isn't here right now, but if you'd like to make an appointment..." is straight out of Haunted Knight. I didn't realize that until I read Haunted Knight just a month or two ago.

[L0ngsh0t]

Yeah. Schreiber / Bettany or bust.

so again...if walken gets cast, if johnney depp gets cast, if ed norton gets cast then its a bust?

what if nether of those get cast?

bust?

jude law is a bust? i couldn't disagree with you more

and fyi, pacino's 75 cop/gangster movies have shown almost zero range in his career..brilliant, yes...range no...

denzel, watch under seige, watch malcom x, watch the pelican brief, watch phillidelpha...he is the same guy...again, utterly brilliant...but he is the same...if you watch liev schrieber he is the same in every movie he is...and by no means is on the same level as the two before mentioned..

you may ask why is range so important? because of every aspect of Harvey Dent/ two face...he is literally Jekyl and Hide, you need an actor that has shown the capablitiy to turn from good guy, to insane evil guy with out morals, to an evil guy who gets his morals back...schrieber has not proven he can do this in any form of his acting career, that is why i am against this choice, again if he is nolans choice i am ready to roll with it because i trust in nolans vision of gotham and it's inhabitents, but i am definatly agianst it..

if you honestly in your heart believ that schrieber's resume of the screams, sum of all fears and manchurian candidate is better then equilibrium, american psycho, and the machinest compare, then good for you..

you obviously aren't a walken fan if you believe he is the same person in the deer hunter, as in weddding crashers, as in prophecy, as in cath me if you can, as in man on fire, as in the dead zone, as in a veiw to a kill, i do not think your choice in walken is credible if you think that of his performences, he is one of my favorites and those movies on top of others is, he is fantastic performer who does his homework and gets into character as well as any actor out there, he is not getting his due because of his recent comedy exploits (which have been fantastic) but he has been the same kinda guy in many of his comedies because he is naturally a funny guy...he has range, if you wish you can post your top 100 at your own risk...i would actually rather see a top 10 with reasons because lists are lists, but lists with explanation gives me a veiw into what kind of critque you actually are..

[Ronny Shade]

and fyi, pacino's 75 cop/gangster movies have shown almost zero range in his career..brilliant, yes...range no...
If you think his characters in Serpico, Sacrface, The Godfather, and Dog Day Afternoon are the same, you have a problem.

denzel, watch under seige, watch malcom x, watch the pelican brief, watch phillidelpha...he is the same guy...again, utterly brilliant...but he is the same...if you watch liev schrieber he is the same in every movie he is...and by no means is on the same level as the two before mentioned..
...Training Day?

you may ask why is range so important? because of every aspect of Harvey Dent/ two face...he is literally Jekyl and Hide, you need an actor that has shown the capablitiy to turn from good guy, to insane evil guy with out morals, to an evil guy who gets his morals back...schrieber has not proven he can do this in any form of his acting career, that is why i am against this choice, again if he is nolans choice i am ready to roll with it because i trust in nolans vision of gotham and it's inhabitents, but i am definatly agianst it..
Yes he has. He did it in Manchurian Candidate

[Shoemeister]

I've come to the point where I just cant, and dont want to, see anyone else in the role of Dent. I can just imagine him in a scene with Batman and Gordon, saying his famous line, "Two shots to the head, if you ask me it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."

YES x1000.

[The Fallen]

Is Manchurican Cadidate any good as a reference as to what Liev could do as Harey Dent in the sequal? I might rent this bad boy out...

[Ronny Shade]

Do it.

[javi1024]

well from what ive seen of him, i think hes a good actor. he looks like harvey dent in long halloween (which is his origin/ best depiction) and i think he can pull off both personalities well. and hes not an actor who will steal the spotlight from Christian Bale. thats what i liked about the cast in Begins. yea you knew all the actors, but they werent the "A list" stars you see in the tabloids everyday and see cast in every summer-blockbuster movie. hes certainly gained enough credit to where people would recognize him but it wont turn into a situation like Jack Nicholson's name coming before Michael Keaton's in the credits.

[StorminNorman]

Don't ruin the sequel for yourselfs fellows, keep an open mind. I think Nolan has established that he knows what he's doing.
IN NOLAN WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!

Okay - people.....NOLAN IS HUMAN! Nolan can make mistakes - he casted Katie Holmes, nuff said. Sorry but I will be disapointed if Bettany does not get the role, I will still see BB2 - I will still love BB2 - but I will still keep asking myself "What If" if Bettany does not get the role (unless Hulme or whoever gets it completely blows me away).

[StorminNorman]

so again...if walken gets cast, if johnney depp gets cast, if ed norton gets cast then its a bust?

what if nether of those get cast?

bust?

jude law is a bust? i couldn't disagree with you more



I can say with a straight face that I would rank Paul Bettany among those actors in my book, so yes: Bettany or Bust.

[mcflytrap]

Tim Daly...that's interesting. The guy is a solid actor despite not seeming to get any work.

http://www.dr-richard-kimble.com/images/Tim%20Daly%20new%202003%20B.jpg

[The Chairman]

so again...if walken gets cast, if johnney depp gets cast, if ed norton gets cast then its a bust?

what if nether of those get cast?

bust?

jude law is a bust? i couldn't disagree with you more

Walken won't even have his name mentioned for anything since he was in Batman Returns. Depp's way too big a name. Norton would make a better Riddler.

And you criticize Pacino and Denzel for being the same in every movie and then say Jude Law would be good for Dent. Please excuse me while I go into a corner and laugh at the rediculousness of that very idea.

[Ronny Shade]

Tim Daly...that's interesting. The guy is a solid actor despite not seeming to get any work.
Yeah I can't say I' mexcatly a connosseur of his work, but what I've seen I think he's good. Plus he's got that good looking hot shot thing cold and I think he could make a pretty interesting heartless bastard as well.

And you criticize Pacino and Denzel for being the same in every movie and then say Jude Law would be good for Dent. Please excuse me while I go into a corner and laugh at the rediculousness of that very idea.
Absolut pwnage.

[The Chairman]

Absolut pwnage.

Thank you.

[Ronny Shade]

We don't always agree, but when we do we're unstoppable.

[The Chairman]

We don't always agree, but when we do we're unstoppable.

LOL We're like the Murtaugh and Riggs of the Hype.

[Robin91939]

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/images/blog/liev-schreiber-manchurian-candidate.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/lh_dent1.jpg

Someone asked for this in here, somewhere.

-R

[Shoemeister]

http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Ehick0088/images/blog/liev-schreiber-manchurian-candidate.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/lh_dent1.jpg

Someone asked for this in here, somewhere.

-R

Striking resemblence. Simply incredible. He was great in that film.
No doubt... HE IS DENT!!!

[warren_sparta27]

Schreiber, Dammit!
:)

[ragdus]

What if Bettany, Shrieber, et al decline the role?

[ragdus]

And it might be me, but I don't think he looks all that much like the Dent photo he's pasted next to. There are glaring differences in jaw line, nose length & width, cheek bones and mouth. Which kinda of makes up most of the face.

[ultimatefan]

Don't ruin the sequel for yourselfs fellows, keep an open mind. I think Nolan has established that he knows what he's doing.
IN NOLAN WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. Whoever gets the part, I trust Nolan will make the right decision. And don´t forget guys, sometimes it´s not just up to the director. Sometimes the actor declines the role for some reason, sometimes the schedules clash, sometimes there´s a sickness or accident - remember how Sean Young lost the Vicki Vale part cuz of a horse accident? - so try to keep an open mind and don´t get too attached to a name before they get the part... I had to prepare my mind at one point to Bale not being Batman... But thank God the stars aligned properly.

[ragdus]

Also, if you solidify in your mind only one person can play that role, you'll probably not be all that happy with their performance after the fact. Too much internal hype.

[L0ngsh0t]

thank you voice of reason ragdus

[L0ngsh0t]

Walken won't even have his name mentioned for anything since he was in Batman Returns. Depp's way too big a name. Norton would make a better Riddler.

And you criticize Pacino and Denzel for being the same in every movie and then say Jude Law would be good for Dent. Please excuse me while I go into a corner and laugh at the rediculousness of that very idea.


jude law, talented mr. riply, i heart huckabees, sky captin, enemy at the gates

he does different **** all the time, by no means am i saying he is the leval that pacino and denzel at

i think pacino and denzel are the best actors out there...albeit for cop/gangster movies, but they are some of the best out there, i am only giving them **** because, wait, i am not even giving them ****, they just do movies that they have the exact same roles in it, it's called type casting

i ment if law where joker, but i like that lachey hulme guy he was good in NO.1 gangster

[The Chairman]

jude law, talented mr. riply, i heart huckabees, sky captin, enemy at the gates

he does different **** all the time, by no means am i saying he is the leval that pacino and denzel at

i think pacino and denzel are the best actors out there...albeit for cop/gangster movies, but they are some of the best out there, i am only giving them **** because, wait, i am not even giving them ****, they just do movies that they have the exact same roles in it, it's called type casting

i ment if law where joker, but i like that lachey hulme guy he was good in NO.1 gangster

Paul Bettany was in Gangster No. 1 :o

And I've never see a Jude Lawe film where he doesn't play some faux charming British man with a thick s heck accent.

[DV8]

I've never really been all that pro-screiber, but I must object to your discrimination against B-movie actors.

Again: my choices
Joaquin Pheonix
Dougray Scott
Tim Daly

Tim Daly . . . . :up:

I didn't know who this was until I IMDb'd him . . . since some people in Gotham initially suspect that Dent may in fact be Batman, Tim Daly would really work . . . he kind of looks like Bale, even . . .

[DV8]

i condem you watch the 75 gangster/cop movies he is in and tell me he has range

Are you smoking crack-laced ground up ritalin!!??

Scent of a Woman
City Hall
Frankie and Johnny
Glengary Glenn Ross
Devil's Advocate
Any Given Sunday
Angels in America
The Insider

[Ronny Shade]

Thank you, DV8.

[Super_Ludacris]

Pacino is the man, probably one of the greatest actors ever!

[Two-Face]

Pacino is my favourite actor hance he should be in a Batman movie.

[Super_Ludacris]

Hoo-hah!

[Ronny Shade]

Pacino in a Batman movie = Best thing ever

If he doesn't get a role in this franchise, he should be DKR Dent.

[Super_Ludacris]

Denzel and Pacino in a Batman movie= JOYGASM!!!! (no Brokeback)

[Two-Face]

He could if he wants but I love to see him in Nolan's Batman movies plus he worked with Christopher Nolan in in Insomnia as well

[The Chairman]

If he doesn't get a role in this franchise, he should be DKR Dent.

:up:

[The Chairman]

Pacino is my favourite actor hance he should be in a Batman movie.

He's my second favorite after Nicholson. I'd love to see him as something. He would've been a great Dent when he was younger and he would've been awesome as Falcone.

[Ronny Shade]

God, seeing Denzel vs Pacino in anything would be sweetass.

That needs to be a movie.
Denzel=misguided goodguy
Pacino=misunderstood villain

One of those movies where everybody turns out to be wrong

[Warhammer]

Whats the big deal about Scheiber you ask?

Because he is Dent.

No questions asked.

[DV8]

Thank you, DV8.

Anytime, adopted Hype parent . . . :D

[The-Night]

Whats the big deal about Scheiber you ask?

Because he is Dent.

No questions asked.

The perfect response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:up: :up: :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Quick! Someone find a good Batman role that Sam L Jackson could play :up:

[The-Night]

Quick! Someone find a good Batman role that Sam L Jackson could play :up:

inmate #13

[Mr. Socko]

inmate #13

I like it!

But he should be the new Fox, forget Freeman.

[Anjow1060]

Quick! Someone find a good Batman role that Sam L Jackson could play :up:
Actually, Sammy would be my pick if they ever had Detective Crispus Allen.

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/dc/bitmaps/crisallen.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

Actually, Sammy would be my pick if they ever had Detective Crispus Allen.

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/dc/bitmaps/crisallen.jpg

Who is he?

Was he a Clayface?

[kytrigger]

Who is he?

Was he a Clayface?

No, he's a Detective in the GCPD and is Montoya's partner. recently, he died and is now the new Spectre.

[Warhammer]

The perfect response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:up: :up: :up:

Thank you, Thank you.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol

[Two-Face]

Actually, Sammy would be my pick if they ever had Detective Crispus Allen.

http://pc59te.dte.uma.es/cdb/series/dc/bitmaps/crisallen.jpg

That would be great:up:

[kytrigger]

That would be great:up:

Then we could have Snakes On A Bat-Plane.

[Two-Face]

What?

[The Chairman]

What?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0417148/

[Two-Face]

Oh ok.

[The Chairman]

Oh ok.

It looks rediculous but oh so fun.

[Super_Ludacris]

Snakes on a Bat Plane>>>> Superman vs. Batman the movie

["V"]

Schrieber is too hammy for my tastes, I could see his scenes treading B Movie territory.

Guy Pearce or Joaquin Phoenix, who I happen to think looks much more like Sale's dent than Schrieber as well, would be my preferences for Dent. However I trust Nolan and glad he's making the final decision.

[Super_Ludacris]

Samuel L. Jackson: Batmaaaaaan we got snakes on a mutha****ing plane

Kennan: D'ooooooooh *trembles* What are we gonna dooooooo

Batman: Sunjet airlines isnt' beyond saving

*Sam and Kennan look at Batman in silence with a wtf look for an akward 10 seconds*

[Ronny Shade]

Snakes on a Bat Plane>>>> Superman vs. Batman the movie
Snakes on a Bat Plane>>>> Superman Returns

[bdsproductions]

No Schreiber!.

Bale-Bettany
BATMAN II

[StorminNorman]

Schrieber is too hammy for my tastes, I could see his scenes treading B Movie territory.

Guy Pearce or Joaquin Phoenix, who I happen to think looks much more like Sale's dent than Schrieber as well, would be my preferences for Dent. However I trust Nolan and glad he's making the final decision.

Look at the Manchurian Candidate - he does an excellent job in an excellent movie and stands up nicely among excellent actors.

[The Fallen]

^ He sure does. I saw Canidate last night and Liev did a great job.

["V"]

Look at the Manchurian Candidate - he does an excellent job in an excellent movie and stands up nicely among excellent actors.

Yes I need to see that film, it seems more the material that would allow me to make a fair judgement, but he is a fair bit hammy . I still don't think that he would be able to deliver a performance to match Phoenix or Pearce. I think if Pearce gave Dent/Two Face a mixture of Ed Exley (LA Confidential) and Leonard Shelby (Memento) then we would be on to a winner.

I did manage to catch Liev in Phantoms last night :0)