To Monk or not to Monk.

[Mister Gone]

With the new darker direction Bats is taking with this new franchise, I was thinking how well the "Monk" story line would fit in. If you are not familiar with this story, in a nutshell, Batman tracks some crazt monk and just offs him, with a gun, in his sleep. It is one of the tuning points where Bats realizes that he needs to be more than just a vigilante.

[Ronny Shade]

I don't believe you.

[Nightwing]

With the new darker direction Bats is taking with this new franchise, I was thinking how well the "Monk" story line would fit in. If you are not familiar with this story, in a nutshell, Batman tracks some crazt monk and just offs him, with a gun, in his sleep. It is one of the tuning points where Bats realizes that he needs to be more than just a vigilante.

No.

[Two-Face]

You know, I thought you're talking Tv series called "Monk"

Wait I'm confused.

[Nightwing]

You know, I thought you're talking Tv series called "Monk"

Wait I'm confused.

No, he's talking about the villain called "The Monk" from Detective Comics back in 1939. He was one of the earliest villains in Bat-history, who turned out to be a vampire and wore a red, monk like outfit. He ended up being defeated by having a silver bullet shot into his skull, below is a picture of him.

http://www.hypnosisinmedia.com/ComicBooks/Batman/batman33.jpg

[Two-Face]

Was "The Monk in "Bat-Man" issue cos he wasn't in the Bat-Man issue that came with Batman Begins SE DVD.

[Nightwing]

Was "The Monk in "Bat-Man" issue cos he wasn't in the Bat-Man issue that came with Batman Begins SE DVD.

Could you rephrase your sentence a little?

[Two-Face]

Was "The Monk in "Bat-Man" that came with Batman Begins SE DVD?

[Nightwing]

Was "The Monk in "Bat-Man" that came with Batman Begins SE DVD?

The comic that came with the Begins DVD, was a reprint of "Detective Comics" #27. Monk didn't appear until issue #32, is that what you're referring too?

[Ronny Shade]

Batman vs Dracula.


I just wanted to say it.

[Two-Face]

The comic that came with the Begins DVD, was a reprint of "Detective Comics" #27. Monk didn't appear until issue #32, is that what you're referring too?


Yeah that's what I was trying to ask.

[SpyderDan]

You know, I thought you're talking Tv series called "Monk"

So did I.

[Shoemeister]

Batman vs Dracula.


I just wanted to say it.

Makes sense.

[Ronny Shade]

I think vampires are a not good idea in Batman.

Other original bat-world superpowered villains are fine, but no vampires.

Don't get me wrong, I love vampires, but one of 2 things will happen: Either they will be "explained" in the "realistic" Nolan-verse, thus making them a disease or something else dumb (one of many fatal mistakes of Blade 3), or they will be mystical and not meld well with the milieu Begins has set for us.

Thus I vote NO on the Monk.





plus I've never heard of him before

[StorminNorman]

I would stay away from the normal supernatural baddies (werewolves, witches, demons, wizards, vampires, etc) for the simple fact that Batman has one fo the greatest rogue galleries out there anyway - no need to add in fluff.

[Rynan]

Nah, No Monk. Too obscure and too out-there. Fighting a clown man is weird enough, don't add vampires into the mix.

[StorminNorman]

Tony Shalhoub v. Batman would be a fight I wouldnt be mind seeing though....

[Two-Face]

I would stay away from the normal supernatural baddies (werewolves, witches, demons, wizards, vampires, etc) for the simple fact that Batman has one fo the greatest rogue galleries out there anyway - no need to add in fluff.


I agree Stormin.

[Ronny Shade]

the same thing goes for werewolves thru wizards in that list for what I said about vampires.

And yeah, the bat-rogues pwn. Don't need any more really.

[The Fallen]

Nah, No Monk. Too obscure and too out-there. Fighting a clown man is weird enough, don't add vampires into the mix.




I faught a clown, what 'cu on about? I told him his suit looked faggy and he needed a big a$$ spider in his act... my name is John Peters...

[Keyser Sushi]

I think vampires are a not good idea in Batman.

Other original bat-world superpowered villains are fine, but no vampires.

Don't get me wrong, I love vampires, but one of 2 things will happen: Either they will be "explained" in the "realistic" Nolan-verse, thus making them a disease or something else dumb (one of many fatal mistakes of Blade 3), or they will be mystical and not meld well with the milieu Begins has set for us.

Thus I vote NO on the Monk.





plus I've never heard of him before

The Monk resurfaced in the early 80's, where he was explained as a Lousiana plantation owner who had an incestuous relationship with his sister... he treated his slaves bad and they put a voodoo curse on him that turned him into a vampire. He bit his sister and the two of them were immortally incestuous, and, in the 80's when they clashed, he infected Batman... and, I think, an adult Dick Grayson.

Anyway, a priest shows up and helps cure Batman.

But... okay... here we go.

1.) I don't like the idea of the supernatural in Batman's world.
2.) I am not opposed to the Monk appearing in a Batman movie.
3.) I do not want to see vampirism made a disease.

I believe that the Monk could be played as a crazy emo guy who just WANTS to be a vampire and drinks blood. They're out there. Maybe this crazy emo guy is a serial killer or, something, and... as happened in the original monk story - he kidnaps Batman's girlfriend and Batman has to track him down and smack him around.

Emo guys need to be beaten. When I am president, this shall be law. :up:

[Ronny Shade]

That would work. Maybe as a subplot to a film about a more important rogue.

[Keyser Sushi]

That would work. Maybe as a subplot to a film about a more important rogue.

Agreed; it couldn't carry a film on its own.

I don't know what other character would compliment him, though. Nocturna and her brother were certainly emo... but they're not really much more important than "The Monk."

Of course, emo people are never very important.

[The Fallen]

Sushi for Prez! General Zod for Vice Prez!

[Keyser Sushi]

Sushi for Prez! General Zod for Vice Prez!

Oh sure, stick me with an evil Kryptonian as a running mate. :(

[Ronny Shade]

LOL x1000

[COMPO]

who is that woman

[kytrigger]

Not too fond of the idea of Monk appearing. He could work as a subplot, but there are MANY other villians I woudl like to see used before him. Plus I really dislike the idea of having Batman shoot someone with a gun (even if it is with a silver bullet). Having his grapple gun was fine, but Batman shouldn't use real guns on people (IMO of course).

[Katsuro]

I'll make my decision on this after the 6-part "Batman and the Mad Monk" miniseries is released in a few months. It's basically a re-telling of Batman's first encounter with this character, and takes place right after "Batman and the Monster Men" (which was awesome) and during Batman's first year or so. It's a modern comic, so they'll most likely make some creative changes to not seem so corny.

[Keyser Sushi]

I'll make my decision on this after the 6-part "Batman and the Mad Monk" miniseries is released in a few months. It's basically a re-telling of Batman's first encounter with this character, and takes place right after "Batman and the Monster Men" (which was awesome) and during Batman's first year or so. It's a modern comic, so they'll most likely make some creative changes to not seem so corny.

Although Batman's original encounter with the Monk really wasn't too corny... I mean, a bit, I suppose, but it was fairly dark and noirish. It's biggest flaw was that it was done in that low-tech era of Batman when the stories may have been serious but the medium was fairly rough, so the art is a bit dodgy and the writing is rather stiff. Still, it's quite good for what it is. With a little tweaking it can be some rather excellent pulp fiction.

Also, a little known fact, that story marked the first appearance of the bat-grapple, where Batman tied his batarang to the end of his silk rope and used it to grapple out of a pit. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

...No.