SteveDeKnight

[The Incredible Hulk]

OK I added everyone. Now I need to work on my page so it doesnt look so sorry looking :)

[newbrando]

Hi all! I haven't posted for a while, but wanted to let you know that after the whole MySpace horror, Steve DeKnight has also agreed to answer questions at TWOP.

You can post your questions today on the "Questions For Steven S, DeKnight" thread. Just read the rules. One question per person, etc. Then the thread will be closed until Saturday at 2pm where you can see him reply in real time. And you can then answer any questions he asks.

TWOP questions tend to gear toward the writing aspects so please no shipper wars. And please don't post this at other sites.

[triplet]

Cool...

Thanks, newbrando.

:up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

cant we send DeKnight here again , where we dont have as many idiots as K-Site, DTS, TWOP, etc?

BTW what happened at MySpace now? :confused:

[user123456789]

cant we send DeKnight here again , where we dont have as many idiots as K-Site, DTS, TWOP, etc?

BTW what happened at MySpace now? :confused:

rofl dew changed ur sig

[The Incredible Hulk]

yeah I didnt realize Matt's qoute was actual things about the movie, I thoguht he was just making that stuff up. It's even worse than I thought apparently :(

[zanos]

Isn't Steven Deknight a hack who likes ripping off B horror movies for his episodes?

[triplet]

Nice....

:rolleyes:

[Serene]

Isn't Steven Deknight a hack who likes ripping off B horror movies for his episodes?

Actually, he said that the writers have very little choice, if any, in what they are assigned to write.

What is the process that determines which writers get to write which episodes? Do Al and Miles decide? Do you get to request specific episodes? Do they try to balance it out between all the writers?

DEKNIGHT: Luck of the draw. With the exception of big event episodes like the premier, ep. 100, and the finale, we usually don't know what the specifics of the story are when we're up on deck. Sometimes you get Silver K paranoid Clark, sometimes you get an exploding baby. You never know.

Yes, Al and Miles decide who's writing which ep.

Nope, you don't get to request anything. Hmm... Maybe I should try that next year...

[zanos]

If I was forced to write an episode like the one he did I'd either hang my head in shame and keep a low profile or apologize for it. He did neither. Actually he seemed somewhat proud.

[triplet]

You talking about Mercy?

That's a great episode, he should be proud of it... Now, Ageless on the other hand.

:eek:

Yikes...

[Brainiac 8]

You talking about Mercy?

That's a great episode, he should be proud of it... Now, Ageless on the other hand.

:eek:

Yikes...

Yup Trip, "Mercy" was one of the best episodes from S5.:up:

He did admit to hating being forced to write "Ageless." I don't blame him.:(

[triplet]

Yup Trip, "Mercy" was one of the best episodes from S5.:up:

He did admit to hating being forced to write "Ageless." I don't blame him.:(

Mercy was one of the best of the season, if not the series...

It's Lionel's "Shattered".... He was stripped down and flayed open emotionally...

He's never been that vulnerable on the show before and it was a great character revealing story for him, as well as advancing several story lines from the season.

:up:

Awesome.

[avidreader]

DeKnight was asked some interesting questions over at TWOP and he gave some interesting answers. Worth a check.

Steve DeKnight (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3140929&pid=5305755&st=0&#entry5305755" http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3140929&pid=5305755&st=0&#entry5305755"://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3140929&pid=5305755&st=0&#entry5305755"http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3140929&pid=5305755&st=0&#entry5305755)

[zanos]

You talking about Mercy?

That's a great episode, he should be proud of it... Now, Ageless on the other hand.

:eek:

Yikes...


Proud of plagerism? I see.

[triplet]

Proud of plagerism? I see.

Oh, puhleeze....

You can't even spell it.

[Serene]

Oh, puhleeze....

You can't even spell it.

LMAO!

[avidreader]

Proud of plagerism? I see.

So what's your point in visiting these Smallville Boards?

[zanos]

Oh, puhleeze....

You can't even spell it.


Yes my spelling is at issue when DeKnight steals someone else's work. lol. I guess I shouldn't have expected much. You are a smallville fan.

[avidreader]

Yes my spelling is at issue when DeKnight steals someone else's work. lol. I guess I shouldn't have expected much. You are a smallville fan.

Hmmm.... I think I'm smelling something that resembles a troll.

[triplet]

Yes my spelling is at issue when DeKnight steals someone else's work. lol. I guess I shouldn't have expected much. You are a smallville fan.

I'm not an apologist for Smallville, hardly, but you're making quite an accusation on little or no evidence.

The stories are similar but Steven didn't steal anything.... He maybe borrowed the general idea from Saw but the implementation was entirely different and that is an important distinction.

It's like a few years back when there were two huge-meteors-are-going-to-destroy-earth movies... (Armageddon and Deep Impact)

Those were totally different films but had one thing the same: a huge meteor was set to hit Earth.

Saw and Mercy are the same thing.

Same idea, but the episode and the movie have totally different expressions of that idea.

[C. Lee]

Yes my spelling is at issue when DeKnight steals someone else's work. lol. I guess I shouldn't have expected much. You are a smallville fan.
If you have such a dislike of things Smallville.....then don't come in here only to antagonise those who do.

[Elijya]

Zanos, cool it.

I bet if you named your favorite movie or TV episode of ANYTHING, I could name a dozen other movies or TV shows it ripped off. NOTHING is 100% original these days.

[Brainiac 8]

I'm not an apologist for Smallville, hardly, but you're making quite an accusation on little or no evidence.

The stories are similar but Steven didn't steal anything.... He maybe borrowed the general idea from Saw but the implementation was entirely different and that is an important distinction.

It's like a few years back when there were two huge-meteors-are-going-to-destroy-earth movies... (Armageddon and Deep Impact)

Those were totally different films but had one thing the same: a huge meteor was set to hit Earth.

Saw and Mercy are the same thing.

Same idea, but the episode and the movie have totally different expressions of that idea.

Plus it was a major character motion episode, we learned quite a bit about Lionel and his inner thoughts. It also explained almost every plot hole Lionel had up to that point.

So did Antz plagiarize A Bugs Life then? Or did Shark's Tale plagiarize Finding Nemo?

Ideas get repeated many times, but Like was said here, the ideas are implamented in different ways. Very little in the way of movies and tv shows don't borrow from others. Don't act as if Smallville is the only one that does that.:o

[JackMercy]

DeKnight was asked some interesting questions over at TWOP and he gave some interesting answers. Worth a check.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3140929&pid=5305755&st=0&#entry5305755


heh heh... All that talk about "chicken"...

He's using my language...


;)

[BaK]

DeKnight was asked some interesting questions over at TWOP and he gave some interesting answers. Worth a check.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3140929&pid=5305755&st=0&#entry5305755

Some real good answers..
Yep, the guy knows elementar logic when thinking about issues..
(unlike most of the "fanboys/girls")

This bit brings to mind recent "arguing" here - on this forum, about so called "double standards"..

The question was about (3) girls "beating up" :rolleyes: Clark in Spell:

Seriously, guys getting beat up by girls is a whole different bag than
guys beating up girls. That's just the way it is.
Plus it's witches attacking Superboy, so no, I didn't see a problem with it.

[zanos]

I'm not an apologist for Smallville, hardly, but you're making quite an accusation on little or no evidence.


Well you sure sound like one judging from the rest of your post. It's basically the same argument I hear from every other diehard fan of the show. Deknight himself has admitted that it's a ripoff of SAW! How's about that for evidence. But the problem was the casual way he went about admitting it. Whether I was forced to write an episode like that or not I would feel like I owed the fans an apology, not make a joke out of it. There are ppl who take this stuff seriously. They would have to if they're still watching this mess of a show week after week.


The stories are similar but Steven didn't steal anything.... He maybe borrowed the general idea from Saw but the implementation was entirely different and that is an important distinction.


No it was stolen. It was completely lifted out of Saw. Everything from the voice, to the way the villian spoke, to the mask and to the torture games were completely lifted from that film. It seems for something to qualify as a ripoff you need everything to be an exact duplicate.


It's like a few years back when there were two huge-meteors-are-going-to-destroy-earth movies... (Armageddon and Deep Impact)

Those were totally different films but had one thing the same: a huge meteor was set to hit Earth.

Saw and Mercy are the same thing.

Same idea, but the episode and the movie have totally different expressions of that idea.

Smallville was ripping stuff off as earlier as the pilot episode. They haven't stopped since. Mercy wasn't the first instance. This happens when you have a couple of hack executive producers behind a show like this.

[avidreader]

^^^^ I still dont get your point of being here other than to bash Smallville.

And for your information, De Knight said it was a homage not a rip off.

[Serene]

Smallville was ripping stuff off as earlier as the pilot episode. They haven't stopped since. Mercy wasn't the first instance. This happens when you have a couple of hack executive producers behind a show like this.

There's a really easy way to solve your dilemma you know....

[zanos]

^^^^ I still dont get your point of being here other than to bash Smallville.

And for your information, De Knight said it was a homage not a rip off.

He said he preferred it to think of it as a homage when ppl accused it of being a ripoff of Saw and his next words were "ah forget it you know the score" What do you think that means? I don't understand the point of living in denial.

[zanos]

There's a really easy way to solve your dilemma you know....

My deliemma was solved quite a while go but I did watch like 25 minutes of Mercy on and off. I "saw" all I needed to.

[BaK]

My deliemma was solved quite a while go but I did watch like 25 minutes of Mercy on and off. I "saw" all I needed to.
how great for you to be able to see right through these evildoers plans to con you into watching some third grade ripp offs..

please, do come here more often, to enlighten and warn us of these monstruos fakeness and "plagerisms"..

:)

[NHawk19]

Things I've learned or had confirmed from DeKnights myspace page:

Regarding Reckoning:

Also, I read some post in this swirling maelstrom that suggested Kelly and Brian not be allowed to write another script. That is grossly unfair, and exposes a true lack of understanding of how the whole television process actually works. Kelly and Brian play the story cards they're dealt. They're not the one's shuffling the deck, and to blame them because you don't like how Reckoning played out is just plain wrong. And Vessel? Yes, the rumors of a massive last minute rewrite are true. Actually, there were series of last minute rewrites for a variety of reasons, not the least of which were cutting the guts out of it to get the budget down. And Kelly and Brian were at ground zero, doing what all writers at their level are forced to do: keep their heads down and make the best of it. And I for one think they did an exceptional job under impossible circumstances.

And the infamous Bruce Wayne

At this point, we aren't allowed to use Bruce Wayne, period. Don't see that changing anytime soon.

Thought those comments were pretty interesting.

[Serene]

Time and time again I've seen TV writers say that what they write and what actually makes it to the screen is often two completely different animals. But I do wonder who makes the final decisions in what actually airs. I would think Al and Miles, but then I keep hearing that they are/were all involved with the new Aquadude series and weren't as hands-on with SV anymore. So, maybe the individual directors?

NHawk - that's a beautiful avy, btw. :up:

[KalKai]

It's good for SV that Aquaman didn't make it, at least they'll be back for Season 6 and hopefully write some episodes. Al & Miles haven't wrote 1 single episode in Season 5, and we need more of these - Pilot, Rosetta, Exile, Crusade, Memoria.

[rumpuso]

I haven't been reading any of Steven DeNight's Myspace posts. It sounds like Vessel got a firm lashing from the posters. Is that the gist of it?

[Kaboom]

most of what i read on deknights page are pleadings by chlarkers

[NHawk19]

yeah the bulk of them are that . . .not to many discussing plot points.

[Super_Ludacris]

most of what i read on deknights page are pleadings by chlarkers


Oh for **** sakes are you serious?

[avidreader]

Chlarker's mixed in with lots of Clana's and the occasional no Lexana's.

I thought this was pretty funny though. The guy does have a good sense of humour.


Lex and lana and clark and chloe are pointless relationships!!!!!
I want to see....
CLANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Lexana it is! Thanks, Elizabeth!

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, that was mean, wasn't it?


:up: :up:

[TrailerMusic]

It's good for SV that Aquaman didn't make it

It might be a Mid Season Show. Nothing is for sure yet. Unless that changed & I missed the memo ? Thats the last I read on it & also didn't Dean Cain say he is talking to / planning some other Project with Smallvilles Al & Miles ? So obviously if they are not busy with Aquaman they are busy with something else

[KalKai]

Mistaken Reports
Articles in The Washington Post and IGN.com have implied that Aquaman is still a contender for midseason placement, and that this was said at the CW Upfronts by entertainment president Dawn Ostroff on May 18.

We don't want to get up any false hopes, but as far as we know at AquamanTV, there are no plans to put the series on at midseason.

-

Cain said he met them once don't know when for another project, it could have been Aquaman, but whatever project it was, don't think it matters anymore. If they were busy with something else apart from Aquaman we would have known.

[NHawk19]

Found this little nugget today under the premier when someone asked about freeze breath.

Frayzeee breatathhh -- nope, I sure can't! But it'll be coming up soon...

[avidreader]

Found this little nugget today under the premier when someone asked about freeze breath.

Yipee!!

[KalKai]

DeKnight is writing the Season Premiere..

No need to bring the scrappy. As of today, yours truly will be writing the premiere. Don't get too excited. I am bound by many masters, not the least of which are budget problems. So when you see the episode and start screaming "Did Deknight even READ any of our posts about what we wanted to see?!!!" rest assured, I read each and every one of them. But much had already been set in motion. A lot of it I agree with. Some of I don't.
Kinda like all these posts!!!
Hahahahahahaha!

[BaK]

at this point I don't know if his reading all these posts is gonna make him "explode"..
:eek:

[Brainiac 8]

at this point I don't know if his reading all these posts is gonna make him "explode"..
:eek:

It might judging by the junk most are writing to him.

[triplet]

at this point I don't know if his reading all these posts is gonna make him "explode"..
:eek:

:D

I think it might, but he did say that he would read them all...

I wouldn't think anyone who is gainfully employed would have that kind of time.

Yikes.

:eek:

[NHawk19]

^^What bothers me is where he says flight is a bank breaker :(

[The Caped Knight]

DeKnight is writing the Season Premiere..



What why isn't Alfred Gough and Miles Millar not writing The Season 6 Premiere

They've always written the season premiere episodes {Exspet for The Season 5 premiere "Arrival"}


DeKnight isn't my favorite writter . Oh GOD :( {he wrote some good episodes} but he also wrote some very bad episodes .

[Kaboom]

i think perhaps the network realizes that the fans were kind of disappointed with 5 after all its build up to really set the trail ablaze (most likely because they realized the series was going to be extended for 2 more years), so they had to pull in the reins a bit.

since de knight is writing the premiere to 6 i think that explains why hes asking fans what they want to see. get a pulse from the shows base. that way they can "right the ship."

*i know, i know, "Holy mixed metaphors Batman*

to me the answer is easy, more mythos. it seems the one thing all fans , lexanas, chlarkers, clanas, and chloiss can agree on.

Bring on super breath, an alien guide named J'On J'onzz, the true history of kryptons destruction and jor-els actions, some country hopping, a trip around the world, and a new job for a certain mocha-slinging college drop out.

[KalKai]

^^What bothers me is where he says flight is a bank breaker :(

That bothers me too, how are they gonna save Martha & Lois without having Clark flying? The Brainiac clone will probably jump out of the plane lol, or he might be taking them somewhere.

For them Clark Flying = Superman = Smallville ends.

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[Kaboom]

<~~~~waving clenched fist in the air. "Dang you AM MM...dang you!"

[The Caped Knight]

For them Clark Flying = Superman = Smallville ends.

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Oh For crynight loud, He's 19 for pete sake, In every version of The story he's already flying. {He discovered he could fly @ the age of 17}. :mad:

I'm sick of seeing him run from place to place saving the day. He's not DESTINED to be THE FLASH : The Fastest Man Alive/the Scarlet Speedster. :mad: He's Destined to become SUPERMAN.

[avidreader]

The quotes from that magazine article are pretty old, so I wouldnt go jumping up and down just yet. :O

[KalKai]

LOL @ Kal-El 8 :D.

[The Caped Knight]

LOL @ Kal-El 8 :D.


Sorry, But if their one thing you have to know about me is I'm a die-hardcore fan of three Superheroes

[1]BATMAN
(2)SUPERMAN
{3} SPIDER-MAN

I know everything their is to know about these three. I know their history etc....

So I have a really hard time when either a tv series, comic book issue or arc, & Movies mess with these three. By creating stupid plot & stories. And not staying true to these Iconic characters .


Smallville - has pretty much so far destoryed young clark Kent, that I hate him. And can't wait until the day he becomes SUPERMAN .

[NHawk19]

I'm sick of seeing him run from place to place saving the day. He's not DESTINED to be THE FLASH : The Fastest Man Alive/the Scarlet Speedster. :mad: He's Destined to become SUPERMAN.

:up: :up: :up:

I just need to get this out

FLIGHT DAMMIT :mad:

For the love of god get him off the f-ing ground and I dont mean in a questionable way I mean in a way that is clear and fitting of someone who is supposed to be Superman.

Btw Kal-El 8 could you post that quote on DeKnights page.

[Brainiac 8]

What why isn't Alfred Gough and Miles Millar not writing The Season 6 Premiere

They've always written the season premiere episodes {Exspet for The Season 5 premiere "Arrival"}


DeKnight isn't my favorite writter . Oh GOD :( {he wrote some good episodes} but he also wrote some very bad episodes .

Yes, but the fact that he seems to be taking fan reaction and suggestion pretty seriously is a huge plus in his favor. He is our direct link to whisper our wants to the producers.

Maybe it'll make a difference, maybe it won't. It made me happy hearing that some of his worst ones he hated writing too. He does what he's told, as do the rest of us when it comes to our jobs.

[KalKai]

What you want him to do start floating? levitating? what are you expecting? a crusade flight in every episode? and never use his super-speed?

It's Super expensive and that's just it.

[The Caped Knight]

Season 6 their needs to be a Dramatic Change. Smallville needs to start doing more Mythology bound episodes and less Teen soap Opera drama.

I'm sick and tired of Clark not embracing the fact that he's an alien and he'll never be human . It's time for Clark to Accept his DESTINY.

I'm sick of Clark seeing his powers as a curse and not a blessing.

It's time For The Real Clark Kent to appear, Show us how This farmboy from Smallville went from The Teen of Steel to The MAN OF STEEL.

[The Caped Knight]

Btw Kal-El 8 could you post that quote on DeKnights page.

Could you link me to his page I'll do it .

[avidreader]

Well this is interesting.


Steven any chance you guys could do the Lori Lemaris story this season ? It was one of the most beautiful Superman stories (and it actually happens before he becomes Superman) of all time and it ties in with Clark being at collegue now...
Plus since you can't use Bruce Wayne, any chance you can use Oliver Queen (Green Arrow) and make him to be an old friend or business associate of Lex and show how he uses his money in a good way contrary to Lex and then make him team up with Clark against some baddies ?

Steven replies:

Do you have spies in the writers room? Get out of there, you little scamp!

Green Arrow or Lori Lemaris??

[The Caped Knight]

What you want him to do start floating? levitating? what are you expecting? a crusade flight in every episode? and never use his super-speed?

It's Super expensive and that's just it.


To FLY, to soar in the clouds like he's DESTINED to. Enough with The BS super speeding. He's not Wally, He's not Barry He's not Jay, He's not even Bart. SUPERMAN doesn't run from place to place saving The Day . HE FLIES .:supes:

[The Caped Knight]

Well this is interesting.



Steven replies:



Green Arrow or Lori Lemaris??

Lori is not a bad idea[I would love for her to guest star for an episode]. But this is excatly what I'm talking about. Smallville focuses Way too much on Clark's teen love life , And less on His DESTINY.

You would think by now their would start to move Clark Closer towards his DESTINY. For 5 Years I've waited for this jackass farmboy to grow up And begin to become The Man he's DESTINED to become . And it still hasn't happen. What is it going to take for Clark to move forward The death of his Mother Martha Kent ?

[avidreader]

Lori is not a bad idea[I would love for her to guest star for an episode]. But this is excatly what I'm talking about. Smallville focuses Way too much on Clark's teen love life , And less on His DESTINY.


He can still do all that and have a relationship. Personally, I hope its not Lori as there are enough female characters on the show as it is.


You would think by now their would start to move Clark Closer towards his DESTINY. For 5 Years I've waited for this jackass farmboy to grow up And begin to become The Man he's DESTINED to become . And it still hasn't happen. What is it going to take for Clark to move forward The death of his Mother Martha Kent ?

I think he's grown leaps and bounds. A line as sublte as the one he said in Vengeance "One day I hope I dont have to hide my real self" is evidence enough that he is thinking that he wants to be this superhero and help as many people as he can, he just hasnt quite figured out exactly how to do it yet.

Its all in the text of the story rather than the action.

He pined after Lana for 5 years, and he finally figured out that it wasnt going to work, so he ended it. He hasnt gone back on that decision even after Lex and Lana have both thrown that decision in his face.

He still struggles with some of his decisions and his thought process, but I think he always will.

I know most people hated Superman IV, but there was one good line that came from it when the boy writes a letter to Superman and asks him to get rid of all the Nuclear Weapons.
Superman doesnt know what to do and he voices this aloud to Lois "Sometimes I dont know what I am supposed to do".

As Smallville's Clark gets older he'll trust his gut instincts more and more (you can thank Lois for beating that in to him).

In Vessel he didnt want to kill Lex, did he make the right decision or not? As it was left it appeared that he hadnt, but in the long run I think he'll realise that he did, otherwise he would have lived with a tortured sole and that's too heavy a burden for a super hero like Superman. He needs to be a beacon of light and goodness.

He's not quite there yet, but he is almost. :supes:

[The Caped Knight]

He can still do all that and have a relationship. Personally, I hope its not Lori as there are enough female characters on the show as it is.

I prefer Lori over Chloe or lana. In fact before Lois, Lori was Clark's second love. So bring her in .



I think he's grown leaps and bounds. A line as sublte as the one he said in Vengeance "One day I hope I dont have to hide my real self" is evidence enough that he is thinking that he wants to be this superhero and help as many people as he can, he just hasnt quite figured out exactly how to do it yet.

Yeah and that was one out of TWO episodes. that you saw the transformation, I'm talking about as a whole Season 5 was the worst {half the damn season was about his love life & him wanted to be human.}

Its all in the text of the story rather than the action.

I don't care about the action, as much as how the character is protradyed, This Clark is more like Peter Parker/Spider-man [The early years] Than Clark Kent. It took many Lessons in lose & pain for Spidey to finally embrace his DESTINY. So I guess will have to happen to SV's version of Clark. Because he's still NO Where Near The MAN he's DESTINED to become.

(1) He still hasn't accepted his DESTINY

(2) He hasn't Embraced his powers or his Kryptonian origin

(3) He still a whiny, self centered Jackass Farmboy

(4) He still doesn't understand his DESTINY

(5) He still hasn't accepted Jor-EL has his Father

(6) He hasn't continued his Training .


He pined after Lana for 5 years, and he finally figured out that it wasnt going to work, so he ended it. He hasnt gone back on that decision even after Lex and Lana have both thrown that decision in his face.

huh

He still struggles with some of his decisions and his thought process, but I think he always will.

That's to be expected .

I know most people hated Superman IV, but there was one good line that came from it when the boy writes a letter to Superman and asks him to get rid of all the Nuclear Weapons.
Superman doesnt know what to do and he voices this aloud to Lois "Sometimes I dont know what I am supposed to do".

III & IV sucked,

True.

As Smallville's Clark gets older he'll trust his gut instincts more and more (you can thank Lois for beating that in to him).

Lois is the only woman in his life that will Challenge to be Better than he is. {She brings out The Best in him, She the only one that understands him}

In Vessel he didnt want to kill Lex, did he make the right decision or not? As it was left it appeared that he hadnt, but in the long run I think he'll realise that he did, otherwise he would have lived with a tortured sole and that's too heavy a burden for a super hero like Superman. [b]He needs to be a beacon of light and goodness.

That is true,

He's not quite there yet, but he is almost. :supes:

No way, he still not their . not even Close . The only ones that are closer towards their rightfully places in the mythology is Lois Lane & Lex Luthor . Clark's got a long long way to go.

[avidreader]

I prefer Lori over Chloe or lana. In fact before Lois, Lori was Clark's second love. So bring her in .

Yeah, I know Lori's history, I just think that with 3 leading female characters in the story already, bringing in a fourth just complicates and convalutes the storyline too much. You would have to bring her in with a detailed storyline for her history and then explore why things dont work out between them.

There's already a character there that can do that, whether she's canon or not.

Yeah and that was one out of TWO episodes. that you saw the transformation, I'm talking about as a whole Season 5 was the worst {half the damn season was about his love life & him wanted to be human.}

That was just an example. Its hard to sit here and rack your brain for specific quotes in each episode. However, take Fragile for example, that was an excellent episode to show Clark Kent becoming the Man of Steel.

He takes Maddie in, reaches out to her and gets her to utter her first words aloud in 8 years. No Foster Parents, Shelters, Counsellors or anyone has been able to do that.

He sees her powers and her reaction to it and he speaks to her calmly and makes her feel good about herself.

Clark figures out how to track her down when she disappears (it always makes me laugh when people say Chloe is the brains, but Clark's the one with the brains, Chloe's the one with the tools).

That was a perfect episode to show how far along Clark has come.

Even in Lexmas, he was able to talk a drunken suicidal Santa out of jumping off the roof.

I don't care about the action, as much as how the character is protradyed, This Clark is more like Peter Parker/Spider-man [The early years] Than Clark Kent. It took many Lessons in lose & pain for Spidey to finally embrace his DESTINY. So I guess will have to happen to SV's version of Clark. Because he's still NO Where Near The MAN he's DESTINED to become.


(1) He still hasn't accepted his DESTINY

But he doesnt know what that destiny is. You cant accept something while your still searching for it.

(2) He hasn't Embraced his powers or his Kryptonian origin

He does embrace his powers, he uses them all the time to help people. He hasnt accepted his Kryptonian heritage but he hasnt been given a good enough reason to either.

(3) He still a whiny, self centered Jackass Farmboy

He has feelings and expresses them. If he was self-centred then it would be all about him. He's been shown repeatedly that he chooses the happiness of others above his own happiness. He could have gone off to several different colleges, but he chose to stay close to home so he could help his father on the farm.

I'm not sure why you think he's a jackass?

I agree he is a farmboy, but he deferred his college education to help his mom on the farm.

(4) He still doesn't understand his DESTINY

Well he know's that he wants to help people, that's been an ongoing theme. However, he still is under the impression that Jor-el sent him here to be some kind of Ruler and he doesnt want that and as I said above he doesnt know what that destiny is yet.

(5) He still hasn't accepted Jor-EL has his Father

He's angry with Jor-el and rightly so. He's complicated his life to know end. However, he goes to him when he needs higher up advice. Sacred, Commencement, Vessel.

(6) He hasn't continued his Training .

See my answer to 5, and if he continued with his training and completed it then the show would be over.

huh

Lana has repeatedly used her feelings for Clark and told him that he was the one that chose to end the relationship. Lex said that he didnt take Lana from Clark, Clark let her go.

Clark has not on any occasion risen to the bait. He didnt argue Lex's point or go along with Lana that his feelings for her was the reasoning behind the questions he was asking.

He made his decision about her and he's getting on with the job at hand despite whether he believes his choices were right or wrong.

III & IV sucked,

Yeah, big time.

My 15 year old son when he was about 5 or 6, loved Superman IV to death, so it must have had something in it for the little ones.

Lois is the only woman in his life that will Challenge to be Better than he is. {She brings out The Best in him, She the only one that understands him both sides

In Smallville's point in time Lois understands him extremely well. Its probably one of Lois's strongest abilities, to really understand people. She's often the one shown to be able to read a person's thoughts. Something that I imagine will serve her greatly later on.

However, Chloe and Martha are both understanding of him and offer him very sage advice. I think Lana could too, if she knew his secret.


No way, he still not their . not even Close . The only ones that are closer towards their rightfully places in the mythology is Lois Lane & Lex Luthor . Clark's got a long long way to go.

Well he's not there of course, because the show would be done.

However,


He does have his moral compass in place
He does use his powers to save people, even those that may not deserve to be saved.
He tries to help people that cant help themselves (Chloe in Tomb).He could be a little more pro-active, but I think its the risk of showing his true identity that prohibits him from doing this alot of the time and the fact that he's not too trusting of Jor-el.

He could think a little more on world issues, but he hasnt come to the conclusion yet that "one person can make a difference".

I think with one possibly two more seasons to go, alot of this will start to happen.

[NHawk19]

Could you link me to his page I'll do it .

I think it's

www.myspace.com/stevendeknight (http://www.myspace.com/deknight)

if not, he's listed as a friend on my page and that link is in my sig.

[Brainiac 8]

I prefer Lori over Chloe or lana. In fact before Lois, Lori was Clark's second love. So bring her in .

I agree, I hope they bring in Lori, if just for a couple of episodes. But I also hope to see the legion of Superheros, so what do I know.:)



Yeah and that was one out of TWO episodes. that you saw the transformation, I'm talking about as a whole Season 5 was the worst {half the damn season was about his love life & him wanted to be human.}

Not totally true. We saw snippets of Superman come out of him in Arrival, Hidden, Solitude, Mercy, Fragile, and Vessel. Think of the way he talked to Lionel at the end of Mercy, if that wasn't Superman talking, I don't know who it was.:up:

I don't care about the action, as much as how the character is protradyed, This Clark is more like Peter Parker/Spider-man [The early years] Than Clark Kent. It took many Lessons in lose & pain for Spidey to finally embrace his DESTINY. So I guess will have to happen to SV's version of Clark. Because he's still NO Where Near The MAN he's DESTINED to become.

(1) He still hasn't accepted his DESTINY

(2) He hasn't Embraced his powers or his Kryptonian origin

(3) He still a whiny, self centered Jackass Farmboy

(4) He still doesn't understand his DESTINY

(5) He still hasn't accepted Jor-EL has his Father

(6) He hasn't continued his Training .

1) I agree with Avid, he doesn't quite know what his destiny is yet, only what others have told him. Pa Kent told him all the time in the early seasons that he can't let others tell him what his ultimate destiny is, Clark himself has to figure that out.

2)We'll see him accepting this stuff as the shows last season wraps up. I think most of the reason for this is budget, they just don't have as much as is needed. DeKnight even said that if Clark learns how to fly, that we would only see him do it once or twice a year.

3)If saving people on a regular basis is self centered then he might be.;)
Seriously though, Clark's whole purpose in the show has been to help people in the best way possible, even if his identity is threatened, but sometimes he has to think of himself, everyone does.

4)Thus he can't embrace it yet. You can't tell an insurance company what kind of car you have if you haven't picked it out yet.

5)Can you blame him? One of the challenge these writers face is explaining how Clark grows to understand and trust Jor-El. It's not going to be an easy task, I admit.

6)This they will have to drag out a little, and I wish they would show him doing it a little more also. But if he trained and learned everything, the show would end, and I don't want that.:)



III & IV sucked,

True. Yes they did, but there were little redeeming factors in each of them. But overall, yes they did.

No way, he still not their . not even Close . The only ones that are closer towards their rightfully places in the mythology is Lois Lane & Lex Luthor . Clark's got a long long way to go.

If you look at how he has progressed through the five seasons, he has grown quite a bit, in strength and personality. It's not to say he won't make mistakes, everyone, even his age does, but he has learned from them. They do need to add the mythology in more, and they did add alot in S5, but they have to space it to fit 22-24 episodes a season, especially if they want to keep it going another couple of seasons.

[The Caped Knight]

Yeah, I know Lori's history, I just think that with 3 leading female characters in the story already, bringing in a fourth just complicates and convalutes the storyline too much. You would have to bring her in with a detailed storyline for her history and then explore why things dont work out between them.

There's already a character there that can do that, whether she's canon or not.

If I had to choose between Lori & Chloe. Lori wins by a landslide .

Simple Lori would break things up with him, because of her own DESTINY .



That was just an example. Its hard to sit here and rack your brain for specific quotes in each episode. However, take Fragile for example, that was an excellent episode to show Clark Kent becoming the Man of Steel.

He takes Maddie in, reaches out to her and gets her to utter her first words aloud in 8 years. No Foster Parents, Shelters, Counsellors or anyone has been able to do that.

He sees her powers and her reaction to it and he speaks to her calmly and makes her feel good about herself.

Clark figures out how to track her down when she disappears (it always makes me laugh when people say Chloe is the brains, but Clark's the one with the brains, Chloe's the one with the tools).

That was a perfect episode to show how far along Clark has come.

Even in Lexmas, he was able to talk a drunken suicidal Santa out of jumping off the roof.

We see little bit of him moving forward from time to time, But overall in General we have not seen him move forward . He's still In The [Episode II Stage like Anakin Skywalker in AOTC ] {GOD I HATED THAT MOVIE}:mad:






But he doesnt know what that destiny is. You cant accept something while your still searching for it.

For pete sakes Jonathan told him in "Void", It still wasn't enough to make him accept his DESTINY .


He does embrace his powers, he uses them all the time to help people. He hasnt accepted his Kryptonian heritage but he hasnt been given a good enough reason to either.

No he doesn't he still see's them as a curse. He rather be human than a God like being . {If I had to choose between being a Human or a God like being. I choose god like being [I would use my powers to help humanity]



He has feelings and expresses them. If he was self-centred then it would be all about him. He's been shown repeatedly that he chooses the happiness of others above his own happiness. He could have gone off to several different colleges, but he chose to stay close to home so he could help his father on the farm.

His main reason he dediced to stay was to be close to Lana {he thought she was going to KSU.} his other reason was to help his Dad on the farm .


I'm not sure why you think he's a jackass?

Because I believe he can be better than he is protraded .

I agree he is a farmboy, but he deferred his college education to help his mom on the farm.

huh... I know that,



Well he know's that he wants to help people, that's been an ongoing theme. However, he still is under the impression that Jor-el sent him here to be some kind of Ruler and he doesnt want that and as I said above he doesnt know what that destiny is yet.

Clark doesn't even know What he wants to do with his life. He hasn't even reached his turning point stage yet like in the comics or all the other versions of The Superman story .



He's angry with Jor-el and rightly so. He's complicated his life to know end. However, he goes to him when he needs higher up advice. Sacred, Commencement, Vessel.

It's not Jor-EL's fault, It's Clark's everytime Jor-EL has warned him about a great danger that will happen if he doesn't do what he says. He will be sorry afterwards. What is it going to take for Clark to listen to his FATHER for a change? Other death in his family ?

See my answer to 5, and if he continued with his training and completed it then the show would be over.

I LOOK FORWARD To That DAY. What A WONDERFUL DAY THAT WILL BE. :supes:



Lana has repeatedly used her feelings for Clark and told him that he was the one that chose to end the relationship. Lex said that he didnt take Lana from Clark, Clark let her go.

Clark has not on any occasion risen to the bait. He didnt argue Lex's point or go along with Lana that her feelings were the reasons behind the questions he was asking.

He made his decision about her and he's getting on with the job at hand despite whether he believes his choices were right or wrong.

Him & lana have been on a damn roller coster, {one episode or season their together } The next their not. I wouldn't be surprised if next season they bring back clana for two episodes or whatever .:o :mad:

Yeah, big time.

My 15 year old son when he was about 5 or 6, loved Superman IV to death, so it must have had something in it for the little ones.

Agreed

I guess so.



In Smallville's point in time Lois understands him extremely well. Its probably one of Lois's strongest abilities, to really understand people. She's often the one shown to be able to read a person's thoughts. Something that I imagine will serve her greatly later on.

However, Chloe and Martha are both understanding of him and offer him very sage advice. I think Lana could too, if she knew his secret.

Indeed.

Chloe - baby's him to damn much, And Martha well she their from time to time.

like I said before Lois is the only woman in his life right now on the show, That will tell it to him like it is. Which is one of the many reasons he ends up with her in the end .


Well he's not there of course, because the show would be done.

However,


He does have his moral compass in place
He does use his powers to save people, even those that may not deserve to be saved.
He tries to help people that cant help themselves (Chloe in Tomb).He could be a little more pro-active, but I think its the risk of showing his true identity that prohibits him from doing this alot of the time and the fact that he's not too trusting of Jor-el.

He could think a little more on world issues, but he hasnt come to the conclusion yet that "one person can make a difference".

I think with one possibly two more seasons to go, alot of this will start to happen.

Like I said Season 6, they need to pick up the pace and start getting Clark more closer towards his DESTINY . enough of his love life {You explored it for 5 years} Let's focus on The journey from Smallville to METROPOLIS, From The Boy to THE MAN . From The Farmboy to The Hard bold Reporter, From The son of Kent to THE SON OF Jor-EL & LARA .

[avidreader]

If I had to choose between Lori & Chloe. Lori wins by a landslide .

Simple Lori would break things up with him, because of her own DESTINY .

And maybe Chloe could too, I just dont think its a great idea in Season 6 to bring in a new female character. There's enough of them already.

We see little bit of him moving forward from time to time, But overall in General we have not seen him move forward . He's still In The [Episode II Stage like Anakin Skywalker in AOTC ] {GOD I HATED THAT MOVIE}:mad:

I cant see the similarities between Clark and Anakin, maybe you could highlight them for me.

I think Clark's close to becoming the Superhero, he seems to have wandered off course with regards to him becoming a reporter. Although he still likes to investigate and get to the bottom of things.

I also believe the book that Lois gave him for his birthday was a significant piece in getting him to write.

For pete sakes Jonathan told him in "Void", It still wasn't enough to make him accept his DESTINY .

Well Jonathan told him he would help a lot of people
- I believe he does that
He told him he had to protect his mother from Lionel Luthor
- He's been doing that (see Mercy)
He told him he had to protect the world
- See Season 6 Premiere
He told him he would be a symbol of peace
- He hasnt worked that one out yet, that comes with the suit, end of Smallville

No he doesn't he still see's them as a curse. He rather be human than a God like being . {If I had to choose between being a Human or a God like being. I choose god like being [I would use my powers to help humanity

He hasnt referred to his abilities being a curse for a long time. The thing he doesnt like about them is the fact that he has to lie in order to use them.

He said to Chloe in Vengeance, "If I dont use my ablities to fight low lifes then what I've got them for". His thought process was a little skewed at that time because of the death of Jonathan but he was on the right path.

Its impossible for any of us to say how we would react to having powers when entertaining the possibility of it is beyond realism.



His main reason he dediced to stay was to be close to Lana {he thought she was going to KSU.} his other reason was to help his Dad on the farm .

No he had decided to go to CKU before he knew where Lana was going. He told his parents that at the beginning of Forever.

In the episode Blank, he had even begun to think that going away to College was not something he should do.

Because I believe he can be better than he is protraded .

I'm still not quite sure what you're looking for but if you're looking for someone who is perfect all the time then you arent going to find it in Clark Kent.

Maybe the guy in the suit can do that, but I never thought Clark Kent was perfect.


Clark doesn't even know What he wants to do with his life. He hasn't even reached his turning point stage yet like in the comics or all the other versions of The Superman story .

He seemed to know in Season 2 that he wanted to be in College studying journalism, however the death of his father has put him on the farm as a full time farmer. Chloe tried to raise the spark in him again in the episode Fade, but he seemed pretty well resigned to the fact that it may not happen. I'm sure they'll set him back down that path next Season.

It's not Jor-EL's fault, It's Clark's everytime Jor-EL has warned him about a great danger that will happen if he doesn't do what he says. He will be sorry afterwards. What is it going to take for Clark to listen to his FATHER for a change? Other death in his family ?

Well it may not be Jor-el's fault, but the way he has dealt with Clark hasnt given Clark a good enough reason to trust him or have faith in him.

He had one father on one side (Jonathan) who was caring and understanding and provided support and then he has a father on the other side (Jor-el) who gives him cryptic messages and tells him he has a destiny to fulfill.

I LOOK FORWARD To That DAY. What A WONDERFUL DAY THAT WILL BE. :supes:

Well you might have to wait one or two more years, but it will happen.

Him & lana have been on a damn roller coster, {one episode or season their together } The next their not. I wouldn't be surprised if next season they bring back clana for two episodes or whatever .:o :mad:

They have and its been hard. The story started with Clark and Lana and it will end with Clark and Lana, and they've had to pace it in between. Sometimes its been successful and sometimes it hasnt.

I think this year was actually quite good on the Clana front, I thought they rushed into Lexana, but I can see how having Lexana is going to bring about a stronger Clana.

It could go either way as to whether they decide to bring back romantic Clana. If they do it wont be until near the end, as they both have a ton of issues to get through first and neither of them are going to sweep them under the rug this time just because they have a thing for one another.

Chloe - baby's him to damn much, And Martha well she their from time to time.

Chloe tries to reason with him, I dont know if I would go so far as to say babying him, but girls do mature alot sooner than boys, even alien boys.

like I say Lois is the only woamn in his life right now on the show, That will tell it to him like it is.

She does and I like her for that and she doesnt judge him in the process. She understands and accepts that he has reasons for being the way that he is.

Which is one of the many reasons he ends up with her in the end .

:up:

Like I said Season 6, they need to pick up the pace and start getting Clark more closer towards his DESTINY . enough of his love life {You explored it for 5 years} Let's focus on The journey from Smallville to METROPOLIS, From The Boy to THE MAn . From The Farmboy to The Hard boild Reporter, From The son of Kent to THE SON OF Jor-EL & LARA .

Well I think what started out as being a 5 year project turned into a 7 year project, so its been spaced out and sometimes that probably isnt an easy thing to do.

However, if you didnt know the ending of this story I dont think you would be so quick to say come on get on with it already. Let's skp to the good part. :)

[Kaboom]

too much text to read too much text to read....i'll chime back in when you long winded types start speaking my language, i.e. grunts, and growls, and finger pointing.

something along the lines of : Chloe sucks!

Now that is a well thought out piece if intellectual discourse right there, if i do say so myself.

cheers.

[The Caped Knight]

And maybe Chloe could too, I just dont think its a great idea in Season 6 to bring in a new female character. There's enough of them already.

I doubt it . Chloe is too much like lana lang of the comics .



I cant see the similarities between Clark and Anakin, maybe you could highlight them for me.

Anakin-Clark - Whiny

Anakin -Clark - Love sick puppies

Anakin-Clark - complains to damn much



I think Clark's close to becoming the Superhero, he seems to have wandered off course with regards to him becoming a reporter. Although he still likes to investigate and get to the bottom of things.

He's no where near close to The Man in The Red cape & Blue tights : I Stand for TRUTH , JUSTICE, & THE AMERICAIN WAY !!! Lois I never lie {in the suit}

I also believe the book that Lois gave him for his birthday was a significant piece in getting him to write.

It's a start



Well Jonathan told him he would help a lot of people
- I believe he does that
He told him he had to protect his mother from Lionel Luthor
- He's been doing that (see Mercy)
He told him he had to protect the world
- See Season 6 Premiere
He told him he would be a symbol of peace
- He hasnt worked that one out yet, that comes with the suit, end of Smallville

That day will be One of THE BEST DAYS OF MY LIFE .



He hasnt referred to his abilities being a curse for a long time. The thing he doesnt like about them is the fact that he has to lie in order to use them.

He said to Chloe in Vengeance, "If I dont use my ablities to fight low lifes then what I've got them for". His thought process was a little skewed at that time because of the death of Jonathan but he was on the right path.

Well he sure is taking his sweet little time .

Its impossible for any of us to say how we would react to having powers when entertaining the possibility of it is beyond realism.

Maybe for you, But I know I would use my powers for The better ment of Mankind .





No he had decided to go to CKU before he knew where Lana was going. He told his parents that at the beginning of Forever.

In the episode Blank, he had even begun to think that going away to College was not something he should do.

huh

I'm still not quite sure what you're looking for but if you're looking for someone who is perfect all the time then you arent going to find it in Clark Kent.

Not that, But I would like to see The Mature Adult Clark Kent[from the comics, The animated series, L&C] not the BDA Teenger Clark Kent.

Maybe the guy in the suit can do that, but I never thought Clark Kent was perfect.

The Guy in the suit is The Real deal . As is The Reporter & husband of Lois Lane . The teenager of this story {I sometimes want to get a 4 x 4 with lot's of Kryptonite and beat The living daylights out of The teen Clark of SV .} Hopyfully to knock some sense into him .



He seemed to know in Season 2 that he wanted to be in College studying journalism, however the death of his father has put him on the farm as a full time farmer. Chloe tried to raise the spark in him again in the episode Fade, but he seemed pretty well resigned to the fact that it may not happen. I'm sure they'll set him back down that path next Season.

Maybe Lois & Clark might follow might do it together .



Well you might have to wait one or two more years, but it will happen.

YAHOO !!!!!! :supes:






Chloe tries to reason with him, I dont know if I would go so far as to say babying him, but girls do mature alot sooner than boys, even alien boys.

OK



She does and I like her for that and she doesnt judge him in the process. She understands and accepts that he has reasons for being the way that he is.

Indeed, Lois serves a purpose on the show besides eye candy . She will play a very important role in Clark's journey to become SUPERMAN & Reporter Clark Kent .





Well I think what started out as being a 5 year project turned into a 7 year project, so its been spaced out and sometimes that probably isnt an easy thing to do.

However, if you didnt know the ending of this story I dont think you would be so quick to say come on get on with it already. Let's skp to the good part. :)

Huh

Sv's does one really good thing, It reminds me of Why BATMAN is my number 1 favorite superhero .

[triplet]

Yeah, I usually love avid's stuff but I think my eyes started to glaze over.

I'm sleepy, maybe I'll go take a nap and give it another go after I've rested.

*yawn*

*triplet waves at avid*

[Brainiac 8]

Aw, noone cared what my thoughts on the matter were.:(

[triplet]

Aw, noone cared what my thoughts on the matter were.:(

Sorry... I'll check back in after that nap.

[The Caped Knight]

I agree, I hope they bring in Lori, if just for a couple of episodes.

Excatly





Not totally true. We saw snippets of Superman come out of him in Arrival, Hidden, Solitude, Mercy, Fragile, and Vessel. Think of the way he talked to Lionel at the end of Mercy, if that wasn't Superman talking, I don't know who it was.:up:

I didn't say we didn't see a little of the SUPERMAN presona. But it wasn't the overall focus on The season as was promised .



1) I agree with Avid, he doesn't quite know what his destiny is yet, only what others have told him. Pa Kent told him all the time in the early seasons that he can't let others tell him what his ultimate destiny is, Clark himself has to figure that out.

Agreed

2)We'll see him accepting this stuff as the shows last season wraps up. I think most of the reason for this is budget, they just don't have as much as is needed. DeKnight even said that if Clark learns how to fly, that we would only see him do it once or twice a year.

:supes:






If you look at how he has progressed through the five seasons, he has grown quite a bit, in strength and personality. It's not to say he won't make mistakes, everyone, even his age does, but he has learned from them. They do need to add the mythology in more, and they did add alot in S5, but they have to space it to fit 22-24 episodes a season, especially if they want to keep it going another couple of seasons.

YES

[avidreader]

too much text to read too much text to read....i'll chime back in when you long winded types start speaking my language, i.e. grunts, and growls, and finger pointing.

something along the lines of : Chloe sucks!

Now that is a well thought out piece if intellectual discourse right there, if i do say so myself.

cheers.

I told you to lay off that Jack Daniels. ;):)

Yeah, I usually love avid's stuff but I think my eyes started to glaze over.

I'm sleepy, maybe I'll go take a nap and give it another go after I've rested.

*yawn*

*triplet waves at avid*

Avid waves back at Triplet. Have a nice nap. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/icons/wave2.gif

Aw, noone cared what my thoughts on the matter were.:(

Aw, I did, but you agreed mostly with what I said and it was on the bottom of the previous page, so it was harder to quote. :)



Anakin-Clark - Whiny


Clark not whiny, just questioning and unsure

Anakin -Clark - Love sick puppies


Clark has a need to feel loved for him the person and feels that Lana Lang can offer that to him, therefore loves her.
Anakin-Clark - complains to damn much


Clark curious and bullheaded.He's no where near close to The Man in The Red cape & Blue tights : I Stand for TRUTH , JUSTICE, & THE AMERICAIN WAY !!! Lois I never lie {in the suit}

Martha preparing speech for Fundraising Event.

Clark how does this sound ..... ya da ya da ya da... for truth justice and the American Way.

Clark answers, sounds like words to live by.

He knows it.

Lois I never lie {in the suit}


You answered youself there.

Maybe for you, But I know I would use my powers for The better ment of Mankind .


Well I thought we were discussing how we would feel in having powers not what we would use them for. I dont see Clark using his powers for anything but good, except when he's on RedK.

huh?

I'm not quite sure what your huhing too. ;)

Not that, But I would like to see The Mature Adult Clark Kent[from the comics, The animated series, L&C] not the BDA Teenger Clark Kent.


Well you see that man in those shows. This is Smallville and he's still learning all of that.

[The Caped Knight]

Well you see that man in those shows. This is Smallville and he's still learning all of that.

He's slow, Bruce Wayne is already traveling around the world . Finding The Means to fight Injustice . :batman:

[avidreader]

He's slow, Bruce Wayne is already traveling around the world . Finding The Means to fight Injustice . :batman:

I'm not going to compare him to Bruce Wayne because both characters have completely different backgrounds and are completely different people.

However, if Clark Kent at 19 was everything that you look for in the future Superman/Clark Kent then wouldnt he have become that Superman at the age of 20 or 21.

In L & C he was about 26, the movies he was about 30, I dont read the comics but the comic book novels that I've read he seems to be anywhere from 26 to 30. So those guys have about 6 to 10 years on Smallville's Clark Kent. People grow so much from the time that they finish high school to their mid 20's and I think that in this version of Clark Kent he's been acting and behaving perfectly in line with his age.

How many teenagers do you know have shown the level of maturity that Clark has with all that he has to deal with?

[Kaboom]

i was the most mature kid ever when i was a teen.

spitballs trip! oh, sorry, didn't know you were napping.

see, at 26, i'm still mature.

[The Caped Knight]

I'm not going to compare him to Bruce Wayne because both characters have completely different backgrounds and are completely different people.

However, if Clark Kent at 19 was everything that you look for in the future Superman/Clark Kent then wouldnt he have become that Superman at the age of 20 or 21.

In L & C he was about 26, the movies he was about 30, I dont read the comics but the comic book novels that I've read he seems to be anywhere from 26 to 30. So those guys have about 6 to 10 years on Smallville's Clark Kent. People grow so much from the time that they finish high school to their mid 20's and I think that in this version of Clark Kent he's been acting and behaving perfectly in line with his age.

How many teenagers do you know have shown the level of maturity that Clark has with all that he has to deal with?

I guess if you put it that way, your right .

[Brainiac 8]

I'm not going to compare him to Bruce Wayne because both characters have completely different backgrounds and are completely different people.

However, if Clark Kent at 19 was everything that you look for in the future Superman/Clark Kent then wouldnt he have become that Superman at the age of 20 or 21.

In L & C he was about 26, the movies he was about 30, I dont read the comics but the comic book novels that I've read he seems to be anywhere from 26 to 30. So those guys have about 6 to 10 years on Smallville's Clark Kent. People grow so much from the time that they finish high school to their mid 20's and I think that in this version of Clark Kent he's been acting and behaving perfectly in line with his age.

How many teenagers do you know have shown the level of maturity that Clark has with all that he has to deal with?

Bravo, great way of putting the trials of youth Avid.:up:

[avidreader]

Phew! Great chatting with you guys.

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[Kaboom]

speaking of trials of youth, in the shh community forum theres a thread entitled how not to steal a sidekick. pretty funny stuff.

[NHawk19]

However, if Clark Kent at 19 was everything that you look for in the future Superman/Clark Kent then wouldnt he have become that Superman at the age of 20 or 21.

Ok this is something I have to comment on. . . .

You're completely right avid he's 19. He should have some kind of plan or view, or be curious about something more than what he is. He should be moving on from the out burst against Lex and the pining for Lana. He should have something in mind he wants as a path beyond where he is now even if he's unsure of it.

He still views himself as a freak rather than someone who can and should help . . . (and by help I mean something beyond saving Lana/Lois/Martha/Chloe/Lex whomever.) He can and should operate in the shadows off to the side as he's not supes but he should want to get involved, and he should be curious about why people act in a manner which is self destructive to their own kind.

Its the exploration of that curiosity that should make him feel compelled to put on the suit and help publicly. Thus far all SV has done is have clark yell at Lex. . . and fight what were arguably morons until Brainiac showed up. Quite frankly I'd like to see the show move beyond what seems at times like an endless "oohh Clark Smash" "Where Lana?" fest.

[The Caped Knight]

Ok this is something I have to comment on. . . .

You're completely right avid he's 19. He should have some kind of plan or view, or be curious about something more than what he is. He should be moving on from the out burst against Lex and the pining for Lana. He should have something in mind he wants as a path beyond where he is now even if he's unsure of it.

Excatly, Clark still hasn't a clue what he wants to do with his life . He's still acting like damn teenager

He still views himself as a freak rather than someone who can and should help . . . (and by help I mean something beyond saving Lana/Lois/Martha/Chloe/Lex whomever.) He can and should operate in the shadows off to the side as he's not supes but he should want to get involved, and he should be curious about why people act in a manner which is self destructive to their own kind.

Right again, He still hasn't moved passed the place in his life, he's an alien with God like powers . Who can help Mankind. he still see's himself as a Freak . He hasn't embraced his powers as a blessing .

Its the exploration of that curiosity that should make him feel compelled to put on the suit and help publicly. Thus far all SV has done is have clark yell at Lex. . . and fight what were arguably morons until Brainiac showed up. Quite frankly I'd like to see the show move beyond what seems at times like an endless "oohh Clark Smash" "Where Lana?" fest.

Ding DONG .... We Have a Winner :up: :up: All of your points are exactly true. 5 seasons have passed and he's still no where close to becoming The MAN OF STEEL. Every season it's always He's on The Verge to discovering & accepting his DESTINY. Never that he's decided on his own to make the choice to move forward towards his DESTINY . {He always has to be pushed either by Jor-EL or by a threat that places Earth in danger .}

[NHawk19]

5 seasons have passed and he's still no where close to becoming The MAN OF STEEL. Every season it's always He's on The Verge to discovering & accepting his DESTINY. Never that he's decided on his own to make the choice to move forward towards his DESTINY . {He always has to be pushed either by Jor-EL or by a threat that places Earth in danger .}

Hey i agree. . . .

Putting on the suit is not the first step in acceptance. Realizing he can and should help is.

The suit is fulfillment of the accepted destiny.

[triplet]

i was the most mature kid ever when i was a teen.

spitballs trip! oh, sorry, didn't know you were napping.

see, at 26, i'm still mature.

*spitballs kaboom*

*ahem*

I'm awake now... ;) :D

[avidreader]

I dont know if I've got the energy to go through this again, but NHawk your basically saying alot of the things that Kal said, so you can check back on my answers to those.

As to the overall theme of what you're saying, I answer this Clark does do all those things, of course on a much smaller scale, however he hasnt quite come to grips with the fact yet that:

ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE


Will he realise that after his time in the Phantom Zone, maybe, possibly, hopefully? We shall wait and see.

He still views himself as a freak rather than someone who can and should help

I'll just answer this one... I dont think he views himself as a freak, I think he's long over that, but he doesnt grant himself much self worth either. He doesnt understand and appreciate the difference he can make.

[avidreader]

Excatly, Clark still hasn't a clue what he wants to do with his life . He's still acting like damn teenager

He is a damn teenager.

[The Caped Knight]

Hey i agree. . . .

Putting on the suit is not the first step in acceptance. Realizing he can and should help is.

The suit is fulfillment of the accepted destiny.

Excatly .:supes:

Which is Why I really believe Season 6 should focus on Clark's Journey into adult hood both as The Reporter he's DESTINED to become & The World's GREATEST HERO , He's DESTINED to become. Instead of his love life. {5 Season's of exploring his love life as a teenager is enough. let move on to How The Flannel plaid Farmboy went from The Small town , To The Big City of METROPOLIS where he becomes a Damn good Reporter & THE MAN OF STEEL .} :supes:

[The Caped Knight]

He is a damn teenager.

He's an adult, he's passed the age of 18. He should start acting like a MATURE adult instead of a damn Teenager .

[NHawk19]

He is a damn teenager.

But he's acting like he's on the wrong end of the scale avid. He's acting 15 not 19, and there's a big difference.

This year he's a sophmore in college (I think :confused: did he drop out? not important) And similar to life last year he should have got the foundations in place for knowing what he wants or doesnt want. This year he should go through the awkward first steps of getting there.

As it stands he still doesnt have a clue what he wants from anyone or anything, and doesnt have the foundation in place to as you put it "appreciate the difference he can make".

[avidreader]

He's an adult, he's passed the age of 18. He should start acting like an adult instead of a damn Teenager .

So deferring his college education and running the farm at the age of 18 isnt an adult decision.

You point out all the things that he doesnt do, but you dont point out all the things that he does do.

[The Caped Knight]

But he's acting like he's on the wrong end of the scale avid. He's acting 15 not 19, and there's a big difference.

This year he's a sophmore in college (I think :confused: did he drop out? not important) And similar to life last year he should have got the foundations in place for knowing what he wants or doesnt want. This year he should go through the awkward first steps of getting there.

As it stands he still doesnt have a clue what he wants from anyone or anything.


EXCATLY, He acts like he's still 15 {season 1}

[Kaboom]

hes an alien.

maybe he matures more slowly then earth-males.

Edit*
im in kinda of a giddy mood today. maybe im just still excited that i survived the apocalypse

[The Caped Knight]

So deferring his college education and running the farm at the age of 18 isnt an adult decision.

You point out all the things that he doesnt do, but you dont point out all the things that he does do.

I'm saying it took The Death of his Father, for him to start waking up and realizing that he's got to start to get his priorities straight {and by that I mean not lana lang}

Up until his father's death his one focus has been Lana lang. He's put his Damn life on hold for this girl.

[The Caped Knight]

hes an alien.

maybe he matures more slowly then earth-males.



He's a BIG, DUMB, ALIEN,

must be.

[avidreader]

But he's acting like he's on the wrong end of the scale avid. He's acting 15 not 19, and there's a big difference.

Not with all things. With some things he acts immaturely, in fact I really cant think of too many things but for the most part he acts very grown up.

This year he's a sophmore in college (I think :confused: did he drop out? not important) And similar to life last year he should have got the foundations in place for knowing what he wants or doesnt want. This year he should go through the awkward first steps of getting there.

I have an 18 year old son, (I know I was a young mom), and he doesnt have a clue what he wants to do.

Clark did know what he wanted to do, but he had to drop out to run the farm when his father passed away.

As it stands he still doesnt have a clue what he wants from anyone or anything.


He knows he wants to do good by people
he knows that one day he doesnt want to hide his true identity
he knows that he's not going to keep stringing the girl that he loves along because he cant offer her everything she wantsAnd maybe, for the moment, he's happy being a farmer. Just because he isnt living up to the expectation that we have of him becoming Superman, doesnt mean that he isnt content with the life that he has chosen for himself now.

[NHawk19]

So deferring his college education and running the farm at the age of 18 isnt an adult decision.

You point out all the things that he doesnt do, but you dont point out all the things that he does do.

It was an impulse and a knee jerk reaction in my view. The very same logic a child would use.

As a state senator Martha is gonna pull down like $90,000/yr (federal is almost $150,000, but I cant remember which she is) and in Kansas thats some serious cash (and pickups :) ). Probably more cash than that farm can generate in 2 years.

She can get help just based what the farm generates if they decide to operate it.

[avidreader]

I'm saying it took The Death of his Father, for him to start waking up and realizing that he's got to start to get his priorities straight {and by that I mean not lana lang}

Up until his father's death his one focus has been Lana lang. He's put his Damn life on hold for this girl.

I could have sworn I saw him in college and studying quite dilligently up until his father died. He was even working as a Research Assistant (note aids his future career as a reporter) with Milton Fine.

[avidreader]

It was an impulse and a knee jerk reaction in my view. The very same logic a child would use.


You cant seriously mean that. He quit because there was work to be done, he had a sense of guilt over what happened and he thought that his time would be better spent there.

In his own hindsight he probably will see it as a time that he was able to reflect on his life.


As a state senator Martha is gonna pull down like $90,000/yr (federal is almost $150,000, but I cant remember which she is) and in Kansas thats some serious cash (and pickups :) ). Probably more cash than that farm can generate in 2 years.

She can get help just based what the farm generates if they decide to operate it.

And hopefully Martha will point that out to him, and encourage him to go back to College. She's given him time and as a mother I would hope that she would encourage him to return to school.

Clark took time off so she could pursue her career now that she's established in office and through the wading period she should give him some time back to pursue his career.

[The Caped Knight]

I could have sworn I saw him in college and studying quite dilligently up until his father died. He was even working as a Research Assistant (note aids his future career as a reporter) with Milton Fine.

You don't seem to understand. His Main focus {for the pass 5 seasons has been Lana Lang}

Yes he was a good student etc... But his main focus wasn't protecting The world or even helping it [like His Future self], It was Lana lang .

[NHawk19]

Not with all things. With some things he acts immaturely, in fact I really cant think of too many things but on the most part he acts very grown up.

so barging into Lex's house is grown up. He doesnt fully think things through.


I have an 18 year old son, (I know I was a young mom), and he doesnt have a clue what he wants to do.

Clark did know what he wanted to do, but he had to drop out to run the farm when his father passed away.

I was an 18 year old son :) I had a clue, and a major. What was Clark's?




He knows he wants to do good by people
he knows that one day he doesnt want to hide his true identity
he knows that he's not going to keep stringing the girl that he loves along because he cant offer her everything she wantsAnd maybe, for the moment, he's happy being a farmer. Just because he isnt living up to the expectation that we have of him becoming Superman, doesnt mean that he isnt content with the life that he has chosen for himself now.

That I'll give you but I think at times it seems as though he's doing it because he feels he has to not because he wants to. On the flipside because he's a farmer doesnt mean that's all they have to show him doing.

[triplet]

Yes, but the fact that he seems to be taking fan reaction and suggestion pretty seriously is a huge plus in his favor. He is our direct link to whisper our wants to the producers.

Maybe it'll make a difference, maybe it won't. It made me happy hearing that some of his worst ones he hated writing too. He does what he's told, as do the rest of us when it comes to our jobs.

Personally, I'm liking steven the more I read his blog.

He's smart and knows his stuff when it comes to writing.

It's going to make it harder to tear him a new one in a review the next time he blows it, even though I know it's probably not his fault since he's just doing his job and the script had more than likely got ruined when it crossed someone else's desk not when it crossed his.

I'm happy someone's getting direct feedback instead of just lurking on the forums. He's a brave man subjecting himself to the kinds of diatribes and rants he's had posted on his blog.

[NHawk19]

You cant seriously mean that. He quit because there was work to be done, he had a sense of guilt over what happened and he thought that his time would be better spent there.

In his own hindsight he probably will see it as a time that he was able to reflect on his life.



And hopefully Martha will point that out to him, and encourage him to go back to College. She's given him time and as a mother I would hope that she would encourage him to return to school.

Clark took time off so she could pursue her career now that she's established in office and through the wading period she should give him some time back to pursue his career.

Call it what you will but I think you just said the same thing I did. I just put more emphasis on this one.

[avidreader]

You don't seem to understand. His Main focus {for the pass 5 seasons has been Lana Lang}

Was she his main focus in Season 4. No, he wanted to get through school and be part of a team and play football. He wanted to make time with Chloe at the Torch to write for the school newspaper.

Lana was the farthest thing on his mind last year.

Even in Season 5, they were together as a couple, isnt that normal for young adult men to want to be in a relationship.

However, he still continued to pursue a life of fighting crime, attending college, helping his dad on the farm, and trying to maintain a normal social life.

What more is the guy supposed to do?

Yes he was a good student etc... But his main focus wasn't protecting The world or even helping it [like His Future self], It was Lana lang .

What would make him think that his main focus is to protect the world? He hasnt figured it all out yet.

[triplet]

He can still do all that and have a relationship. Personally, I hope its not Lori as there are enough female characters on the show as it is.



I think he's grown leaps and bounds. A line as sublte as the one he said in Vengeance "One day I hope I dont have to hide my real self" is evidence enough that he is thinking that he wants to be this superhero and help as many people as he can, he just hasnt quite figured out exactly how to do it yet.

Its all in the text of the story rather than the action.

He pined after Lana for 5 years, and he finally figured out that it wasnt going to work, so he ended it. He hasnt gone back on that decision even after Lex and Lana have both thrown that decision in his face.

He still struggles with some of his decisions and his thought process, but I think he always will.

I know most people hated Superman IV, but there was one good line that came from it when the boy writes a letter to Superman and asks him to get rid of all the Nuclear Weapons.
Superman doesnt know what to do and he voices this aloud to Lois "Sometimes I dont know what I am supposed to do".

As Smallville's Clark gets older he'll trust his gut instincts more and more (you can thank Lois for beating that in to him).

In Vessel he didnt want to kill Lex, did he make the right decision or not? As it was left it appeared that he hadnt, but in the long run I think he'll realise that he did, otherwise he would have lived with a tortured sole and that's too heavy a burden for a super hero like Superman. He needs to be a beacon of light and goodness.

He's not quite there yet, but he is almost. :supes:

Exactly!

:up:

[The Caped Knight]

Practically every season Lex has gotten more evil, evil and more evil, while Clark has gotten DUMB, DUMBER AND DUMBERER!! {Enough It's time for Clark to grow up.}

Lex Luthor is the only one from the beginining of Season 1- has moved forward in every episode. towards The evil SOB he's DESTINED to become .

Clark moves forward for about two or three episodes and then back to BDA .

[avidreader]

so barging into Lex's house is grown up. He doesnt fully think things through.

If you're talking about Cyborg, I never had a problem with the way Clark went in and confronted Lex. Clark was right in his assessment of what Lex was doing wasnt he?

I was an 18 year old son :) I had a clue, and a major. What was Clark's?

Well you're one of the lucky one's. Not everyone does.

I thought in the first year of College you didnt need to have a major. Wasnt he at Community College?

We never actually got to see what subjects he was taking other than Political History.

That I'll give you but I think at times it seems as though he's doing it because he feels he has to not because he wants to.

He doesnt have to do any of the things that he does. After all the grief that Lex has caused him, he's still there to save his life because its the right thing to do.

No one has sat him down and told him that its his responsiblity to be the town protector of Smallville, but he is.

On the flipside because he's a farmer doesnt mean that's all they have to show him doing.

That's not all they show him doing. He ran off to Honduras to check on what Fine was up to. He saved the guy in Fade without any reason. He's been shown to do plenty of things.

[triplet]

I agree, I hope they bring in Lori, if just for a couple of episodes. But I also hope to see the legion of Superheros, so what do I know.:)

I think avid had a good point about there already being too many girls in the show, but if they could work in Alicia they can certainly work in Lori so I think I agree with you more.

I think he needs to have a buffer between Lana and Lois emotionally. If he has a relationship that will help him move past Lana, it will help this Clark in the long run even when it doesn't work out. With Alicia he never really had closure he could live with and the same goes for Lana, with Lori they broke it off mutually and for good reason. There wasn't hurt and recrimination for Clark after that break up, if I remember the story correctly.

I think Clark needs that personally.


Not totally true. We saw snippets of Superman come out of him in Arrival, Hidden, Solitude, Mercy, Fragile, and Vessel. Think of the way he talked to Lionel at the end of Mercy, if that wasn't Superman talking, I don't know who it was.:up:

Word.


1) I agree with Avid, he doesn't quite know what his destiny is yet, only what others have told him. Pa Kent told him all the time in the early seasons that he can't let others tell him what his ultimate destiny is, Clark himself has to figure that out.

2)We'll see him accepting this stuff as the shows last season wraps up. I think most of the reason for this is budget, they just don't have as much as is needed. DeKnight even said that if Clark learns how to fly, that we would only see him do it once or twice a year.

3)If saving people on a regular basis is self centered then he might be.;)
Seriously though, Clark's whole purpose in the show has been to help people in the best way possible, even if his identity is threatened, but sometimes he has to think of himself, everyone does.

4)Thus he can't embrace it yet. You can't tell an insurance company what kind of car you have if you haven't picked it out yet.

5)Can you blame him? One of the challenge these writers face is explaining how Clark grows to understand and trust Jor-El. It's not going to be an easy task, I admit.

6)This they will have to drag out a little, and I wish they would show him doing it a little more also. But if he trained and learned everything, the show would end, and I don't want that.:)

It'd be a pretty boring story if Clark accepted his destiny with little or no pain along the way and the show woulda been over in the first season.

*yawn*

*triplet wonders if she's still sleepy from her nap but decides not, it's just the prospect of Clark accepting his destiny TOO easily that would be boring that's making her yawn*

:D


Yes they did, but there were little redeeming factors in each of them. But overall, yes they did.

Yep, I agree there.



If you look at how he has progressed through the five seasons, he has grown quite a bit, in strength and personality. It's not to say he won't make mistakes, everyone, even his age does, but he has learned from them. They do need to add the mythology in more, and they did add alot in S5, but they have to space it to fit 22-24 episodes a season, especially if they want to keep it going another couple of seasons.

Yep.... true.

[AgentPat]

[peeks into this thread]

:eek:

Holy s****! LOL

I think I'll come back tomorrow for this un. But it looks like Avid had most of what I probably would have said covered. Dayum, girl! Rock on! :up:

[Brainiac 8]

Well fought Avid...well fought.:up:

Triplet....nice nap?:O

[Brainiac 8]

Sorry you had to see all of this Pat.:eek: :O

[triplet]

Triplet....nice nap?:O

Yeah, but I'm tired again now so I'm off to bed... I'm such sleepy grouch since I got this job.

Can barely keep my eyes open once the morning coffee wears off...

*sigh*

[Serene]

Lots of good points being made. :up:

My brain is overworked and sorta fried this week too, but I'll just interject one (maybe two) points.

Firstly, I object to the notion that Clark is simply "pining" for Lana. I think that terminology is demeaning to Clark and the sincerity of his feelings. Whether you like her or not, to accept the canon as presented on SV means to accept that Lana is, thus far, the love of Clark's life. I know that rubs the hell out of the mythology die-hards, but again.. a gentle reminder.. this is SMALLVILLE, and they are telling their own tale. He doesn't simply "pine" for her, he loves her to the point of being willing to give her up rather than take any chance of her being harmed. As he explained to Jonathan and Martha - he's loved her since he was 5. They were blissfully happy for a few short episodes, they chose to be each others "firsts," and even with his memory wiped, his innate feelings for her were *still* there. I know some people had problems with that scene, but I thought it made perfect sense in context of THIS show and what is a basic premise - Clark loves Lana and vice-versa.

I have used that term in regards to Chloe and her feelings for Clark. Not to deny or minimalize the sincerity of her feelings for him, but to me, pining has an unrequited connotation to it - which perfectly describes the Chloe/Clark situation. She's always wanted him, and he's never had the same level of feelings for her.

Clark and Lana did have a deep mutual love and relationship, for a brief period of time at least. He didn't break up with her because he wanted to, but because he felt he had to (misguided, IMO, but still a very laudable and mature choice to make). So.. pining doesn't work for me. I'm trying to think of a more appropriate adjective - perhaps mournful.. or tragic.. certainly bittersweet applies to the whole relationship in general.

One more point - while this is a Superhero foum and there is a concentration of people here who watch the show just for the leaps and bounds Super stuff - the real heart of this show has little to do with his superbreath or how fast Clark runs - it's all about the kind of man he is, and the things that made him that way. So, I get reeeeaaallly tired of people *****ing and moaning about the "soap opera" aspect of this show. STFU and deal with it. ;)
I know lots of people who care more about that aspect than any of the Superstuff, believe it or not.

Not me, I like it all. :D :up:

[The Caped Knight]

Lots of good points being made. :up:

My brain is overworked and sorta fried this week too, but I'll just interject one (maybe two) points.

Firstly, I object to the notion that Clark is simply "pining" for Lana. I think that terminology is demeaning to Clark and the sincerity of his feelings. Whether you like her or not, to accept the canon as presented on SV means to accept that Lana is, thus far, the love of Clark's life. I know that rubs the hell out of the mythology die-hards, but again.. a gentle reminder.. this is SMALLVILLE, and they are telling their own tale. He doesn't simply "pine" for her, he loves her to the point of being willing to give her up rather than take any chance of her being harmed. As he explained to Jonathan and Martha - he's loved her since he was 5. They were blissfully happy for a few short episodes, they chose to be each others "firsts," and even with his memory wiped, his innate feelings for her were *still* there. I know some people had problems with that scene, but I thought it made perfect sense in context of THIS show and what is a basic premise - Clark loves Lana and vice-versa.

I have used that term in regards to Chloe and her feelings for Clark. Not to deny or minimalize the sincerity of her feelings for him, but to me, pining has an unrequited connotation to it - which perfectly describes the Chloe/Clark situation. She's always wanted him, and he's never had the same level of feelings for her.

Clark and Lana did have a deep mutual love and relationship, for a brief period of time at least. He didn't break up with her because he wanted to, but because he felt he had to (misguided, IMO, but still a very laudable and mature choice to make). So.. pining doesn't work for me. I'm trying to think of a more appropriate adjective - perhaps mournful.. or tragic.. certainly bittersweet applies to the whole relationship in general.

One more point - while this is a Superhero foum and there is a concentration of people here who watch the show just for the leaps and bounds Super stuff - the real heart of this show has little to do with his superbreath or how fast Clark runs - it's all about the kind of man he is, and the things that made him that way. So, I get reeeeaaallly tired of people *****ing and moaning about the "soap opera" aspect of this show. STFU and deal with it. ;)
I know lots of people who care more about that aspect than any of the Superstuff, believe it or not.

Not me, I like it all. :D :up:

Thank you Serene, you've reminded me Why This guy is and always will be My number 1 favorite SUPERHERO.
http://img69.exs.cx/img69/4640/batmasksmall.gif
:batman:

THANK GOD, THE BAT never guest star on smallville Ever . I'd hate to see his character get destoryed by the writters of smallville .

[The Incredible Hulk]

give me a freaking break, of all the things that have been done to Batman over the years, the smallville writers, even if it was awful, would be the least of his problems.....

[Brainiac 8]

give me a freaking break, of all the things that have been done to Batman over the years, the smallville writers, even if it was awful, would be the least of his problems.....

I wasn't going to say it.:O

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/021003/171613__clooney5_l.jpg

trust me, Batman's character has already been quite throroughly assassinated in the public eye

[Brainiac 8]

Aaaacccckkkkk...bat Nipples!!!!

[The Caped Knight]

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/021003/171613__clooney5_l.jpg

trust me, Batman's character has already been quite throroughly assassinated in the public eye

True, But if it wasn't for that movie. BATMAN BEGINS would've never happend.

http://www.batmanunmasked.com/albums/userpics/10001/batmanbeginspic_001.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

True, But if it wasn't for that movie. BATMAN BEGINS would've never happend.

http://www.batmanunmasked.com/albums/userpics/10001/batmanbeginspic_001.jpg

If it wasn't for that movie, Chris O'Donnel might still have a career.

Still unsure how Clooney escaped the same fate.:confused:

[The Caped Knight]

If it wasn't for that movie, Chris O'Donnel might still have a career.

Still unsure how Clooney escaped the same fate.:confused:

lol

My guess his the role he had on ER [he was quite famous for it] Plus he was great as Danny Ocean in Ocean's Eleven .

[NHawk19]

give me a freaking break, of all the things that have been done to Batman over the years, the smallville writers, even if it was awful, would be the least of his problems.....

Look who's back from Probation :p

[Brainiac 8]

lol

My guess his the role he had on ER [he was quite famous for it] Plus he was great as Danny Ocean in Ocean's Eleven .

Which was one of the wittiest movies of all time. I didn't use to like Clooney at all, but Ocean's Eleven got me to forgive him for a lot.:)

[The Caped Knight]

Which was one of the wittiest movies of all time. I didn't use to like Clooney at all, but Ocean's Eleven got me to forgive him for a lot.:)

same here .

[The Incredible Hulk]

Look who's back from Probation :p

I'm like the A-Team, charged with a crime I didnt commit....

[avidreader]

I'm like the A-Team, charged with a crime I didnt commit....

.... and you a lawyer and all. ;)

[AgentPat]

Ruh roh...

Prepare yourselves.
Somebody make sure Serene doesn't have any razor blades...

(See DeKnight's latest blog for more hints.)

I shutta up now.

[avidreader]

Ruh roh...

Prepare yourselves.
Somebody make sure Serene doesn't have any razor blades...

(See DeKnight's latest blog for more hints.)

I shutta up now.

Are you talking about the Chloe? I dont think that's what he means.

[AgentPat]

Are you talking about the Chloe? I dont think that's what me means.LOL! I only read like 10 posts in and then stopped. I'm hip deep in a ton-o-work today so it's short posts (and quick reads) for me right now.

I guess we can give the razor blades back to Serene, huh? :p

[avidreader]

LOL! I only read like 10 posts in and then stopped. I'm hip deep in a ton-o-work today so it's short posts (and quick reads) for me right now.

I guess we can give the razor blades back to Serene, huh? :p

He did say on the second page that Lexana will last for a bit longer yet, but like all things will come to an end.

[AgentPat]

He did say on the second page that Lexana will last for a bit longer yet, but like all things will come to an end.http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup2.gif

I watched Vessel again this morning, and I'm already exasperated with that relationship. Lex should be evil, not Lana, and right now, she's evil, especially to Clark. :mad: :(

The subtle dichotomy between good and evil in that episode was delicious. In Reckoning, Clark reveals his powers to Lana by turning a lump of coal into a diamond - traditionally a symbol of love and everlastingness - and then proposes on bent knew. What's Lex do? He uses a gun - a lethal weapon - and shoots himself with it, showing off how invulnerable he is, and scaring the bejezes out of Lana at the same time.

Lionel to Lex: You made a deal with the devil. He always comes to collect.

Clark: Why are you here?
Lexod: For the same reason as anyone who'd been imprisoned like a beast: revenge. Your father banished me to an eternal hell trying to save a doomed race, and in the end, the only one who survived his crusade, was his son.

The metaphors are blatant, but oh so tasty. :D

[Pat's boss takes out a gun and aims - GET BACK TO WORK, SLAVE!]

LOL

[rumpuso]

Would anyone be willing to post relevant snippets from his blog over here? Please?

[AgentPat]

Would anyone be willing to post relevant snippets from his blog over here? Please?Here's a few excerpts...


Melissa: Chloe Sullivan, save her, give her a love interest and high light her throughout the season premier and the whole season!!!

DeKnight: As of this draft, I think I got the juicy parts of that covered.

Bitter: Great another season of SuperChloe..Chloeville

DeKnight: Not in the premiere at least. Does that make you slightly less bitter?

DeKnight: Lexana will, like all things, eventually end. But not anytime soon. And for the premiere, can you say Lexodana?

DeKnight: The director for the premiere is th amazing James Marshall. He directed Splinter and Mercy for me last year. I'm sure he'll do another great job on the massive season 6 premiere.




*BAM*

(Pat is shot by her boss.)

[avidreader]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thumbsup2.gif

I watched Vessel again this morning, and I'm already exasperated with that relationship. Lex should be evil, not Lana, and right now, she's evil, especially to Clark. :mad: :(

I know its sad to see her so mad with him. :(

I dont mind the Lexana relationship continuing as long as they use it to highlight to Lana that Clark is the good guy, the considerate guy, the guy who is well meaning, the guy who is loyal and loving and caring and not the other way around.

I think that's why I've not liked Lexana at all so far, as they've only used it as a device for Lana to further mistrust Clark and diminish her faith in him.

Clark needs to stand clear of those two whilst they're in a relationship next season.

In fact I wouldnt mind seeing him go off and explore the world a bit (like some fans in here want, Hi NHawk) and we could have some episodes without him mxing with the rest of the bunch. It gives Chloe the opportunity to move on to a boyfriend (who I think might be the Martian Manhunter), it allows Lionel to try and seduce Martha and it furthers the Lexana plot.

The subtle dichotomy between good and evil in that episode was delicious. In Reckoning, Clark reveals his powers to Lana by turning a lump of coal into a diamond - traditionally a symbol of love and everlastingness - and then proposes on bent knew. What's Lex do? He uses a gun - a lethal weapon - and shoots himself with it, showing off how invulnerable he is, and scaring the bejezes out of Lana at the same time.


I pointed that out to my 11 year old son too. :)

Would anyone be willing to post relevant snippets from his blog over here? Please?

I try to post relevant snippets but most of the time he is just giving quirky responses to long essays.

[Kaboom]

Martian Manhunter!!!!!!!!

yippee!!!!!

13

[Brainiac 8]

Martian Manhunter!!!!!!!!

yippee!!!!!

13

Your almost there Kaboom!:up:

[AgentPat]

My WORD! The "Clana" whining over there (DeKnight's blog) is freakin' INCESSANT!

Just. Shut. Up. Already!

LOL

Okay, I feel better now.

*ahem*

Sorry.

[Kaboom]

Your almost there Kaboom!:up:

i'm trying my darndest. i am thinking of throwing a party when i get there. should i send out engraved invitations?

11

[Serene]

My WORD! The "Clana" whining over there (DeKnight's blog) is freakin' INCESSANT!

Actually I find that 98% of the posts there are annoying. I only read what SD blogs and that's it. I weep for my fandom.

[KalKai]

Some new info:

What, are you trying to kill me? I don't think it'll be a huge spoiler telling you that the season premiere will not be a two-parter. Many reason for this, not the least of which is budget (the finale and the premiere are both hugely expensive "event" episodes.

But you will see me pop up again for episode 6. Then, hold on to your fancy hats, I make my return to directing in episode 11. Please, god, no exploding babies.

Steve......is there any chance of seeing Clark use freeze breath at all in season 6?

If you blow real hard, it might just happen early in the season. Blow, baby, blow!

[The Caped Knight]

^ Bring on Super Breath . [That's a step in the right direction for Clark towards his DESTINY .]

[Brainiac 8]

^ Bring on Super Breath . [That's a step in the right direction for Clark towards his DESTINY .]

:up: Yay to Super Breath!

[BaK]

^ he can just chew some mints though..
that should help the flying budget..

[Serene]

Okay, I had to check out SDK's blog..

This sounds hopeful (to me, at least.:O )

Rhonda:
"My fuzzy is indeed warm."
No you didn't! So witty! You're not a writer or anything, are you?
Clark = Grow some super gonads. Take off your shirt. Save the world. Simple.
Hmm....As for everyone else...Uhm....Really, I'm mostly there for Tom/Clark/Kal action. I would like to see Lana make some sense for once. Give her something heroic to do. I'd love that.
Happy writing, DeKnight! We're counting on you!


DeKnight :

Just for you, Rhonda. DONE!

[BaK]

:up: sounds great !

[The Incredible Hulk]

Okay, I had to check out SDK's blog..

This sounds hopeful (to me, at least.:O )

Rhonda:
"My fuzzy is indeed warm."
No you didn't! So witty! You're not a writer or anything, are you?
Clark = Grow some super gonads. Take off your shirt. Save the world. Simple.
Hmm....As for everyone else...Uhm....Really, I'm mostly there for Tom/Clark/Kal action. I would like to see Lana make some sense for once. Give her something heroic to do. I'd love that.
Happy writing, DeKnight! We're counting on you!


DeKnight :

Just for you, Rhonda. DONE!

is that in code or something? What the heck does that mean? :confused:

[Serene]

is that in code or something? What the heck does that mean? :confused:

I assume that SDK saying, DONE!, is in regards to one or both of the two requests Rhonda made:

Clark = Grow some super gonads. Take off your shirt. Save the world.
and/or
I would like to see Lana make some sense for once. Give her something heroic to do.

Personally, I'm hoping that was an affirmative about Lana.. and Clark's shirt coming off. :D

[avidreader]

^^^^ Out of all that, my guess would be that Clark saves the world. :)

[AgentPat]

^^^^ Out of all that, my guess would be that Clark saves the world. :)Well that, and the shirt part. You guys don't *really* think they'll give Clark a backbone, or Lana any sense, do yas?

LOL ;)

J/K

Though it's a safe bet the shirt comes off at some point during the premiere. Doesn't it always? :confused:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I assume that SDK saying, DONE!, is in regards to one or both of the two requests Rhonda made:

Clark = Grow some super gonads. Take off your shirt. Save the world.
and/or
I would like to see Lana make some sense for once. Give her something heroic to do.

Personally, I'm hoping that was an affirmative about Lana.. and Clark's shirt coming off. :D

Why on God's green Earth do we want Lana doing heroic deeds now too? It's bad enough we've got to deal with Super Chloe

[KalKai]

That Rhonda girl wants Lana to do heroic things AND have super powers, again.. lol.

[AgentPat]

Why on God's green Earth do we want Lana doing heroic deeds now too? It's bad enough we've got to deal with Super ChloeThe man's got a point. The truly heroic stuff should be Clark!

[The Incredible Hulk]

That Rhonda girl wants Lana to do heroic things AND have super powers, again.. lol.

yeah that didnt work out too well for Lois & Clark

[Serene]

Why on God's green Earth do we want Lana doing heroic deeds now too? It's bad enough we've got to deal with Super Chloe
I don't think a single heroic deed when the situation calls for it necessarily makes her super-powered or steals any thunder from Clark. Besides.. no one can take the place of SuperChloe. ;)

I do know that I much prefer to see her, as the female lead on this show, as having a bit of chutzpah and intestinal fortitude when the time calls for it...

Would you rather they have her continue to be a clueless victim in every episode?

[avidreader]

I don't think a single heroic deed when the situation calls for it necessarily makes her super-powered or steals any thunder from Clark. Besides.. no one can take the place of SuperChloe. ;)

I do know that I much prefer to see her, as the female lead on this show, as having a bit of chutzpah and intestinal fortitude when the time calls for it...

Would you rather they have her continue to be a clueless victim in every episode?

.... and she's at least gotta do something heroic to justify to the fans that Clark bringing her back from the dead wasnt a bad decision. :rolleyes: ;)

[NHawk19]

I'm still bothered by his comments towards flight :(

[avidreader]

I'm still bothered by his comments towards flight :(

The thing is if they do it once, then they really need to keep doing it, otherwise what do you do. Watch Clark jumping out of windows?

Smallville's such a pretty looking show that they wouldnt want to have him flying and have it looking cheap.

I can understand why they're leaving it till the last.

[Kaboom]

i hope evil lana hangs around for a while, it lets me feel justified for hating her.

[BaK]

.... and she's at least gotta do something heroic ...
we could be heroes,
just for one day..

ziggy stardust

[Kaboom]

the replacements was a good movie

[NHawk19]

According to DeKnight these are the writers for the 1st 6.

Loeb is on "Heroes" for NBC. Not sure what Greenberg is up to. Swimmer and Slavkin never left the show. They're writing episode ..2. Amazing newcomer Tracy Bellomo is doing ..3, Souders and Peterson ..4, Caroline Dries ..5, and yours truly will swing back around for ..6.



What's their track record?

Oh and Steve also mentioned something about him directing #11.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Slavkin and Swimmer generally do a good job. Souders and Peterson are hit and miss. Dries I cant think of anything off the top of my head that she's done, and obviously no one knows anything about Bellomo. I wonder if she was on another show previously?

[KalKai]

IMDB says Alias & Angel.

[triplet]

According to DeKnight these are the writers for the 1st 6.



What's their track record?

Oh and Steve also mentioned something about him directing #11.

Caroline Dries hasn't worked professionally before, as far as I could tell, but she wrote (I believe) Cyborg and the script for Oracle (but the story was written by two others).

In a search I did earlier, I only found her name online as the listed writer for some "Torch" stories on Smallville's web site and she's listed as a writer's assistant for Smallville on IMDB.

[Brainiac 8]

Slavkin and Swimmer generally do a good job. Souders and Peterson are hit and miss. Dries I cant think of anything off the top of my head that she's done, and obviously no one knows anything about Bellomo. I wonder if she was on another show previously?

I agree, Slavkin and Swimmer usually write pretty good stuff.
Souders and Peterson have some good ones like Hidden and some bad ones like Gone.

Dries really had a great one with Cyborg though.:up:

[avidreader]

I agree, Slavkin and Swimmer usually write pretty good stuff.
Souders and Peterson have some good ones like Hidden and some bad ones like Gone.

Dries really had a great one with Cyborg though.:up:

I often wonder though if its the actual story or the script that people dont like when they say that writers can have some good episodes and some bad episodes.

Take Ageless for example, the story was pretty lame and pretty bad, but I actually think that there was some wonderful dialogue in that episode therefore making the script in that sense a good one.

[Gmanofsteel]

Sent an email to steve yesterday about a hero guest spot, here's to hoping he likes the idea :) :up:

[Brainiac 8]

Sent an email to steve yesterday about a hero guest spot, here's to hoping he likes the idea :) :up:

What was the idea, please share.:) :up:

[Gmanofsteel]

What was the idea, please share.:) :up:
Sure :D He's what my email said:

Hello Mr. deknight :)

I just wanted to say I love Smallville. I've been watching it from day one and just can't get enough of it! This last season was been amazing however; recently there is one thing from that season that stood out to me: the number of superhero guests that appeared on the show. So far we've had three DC based heroes visiting Smallville: The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg. I wonder, does the writer's room plan to have any other superhero guests on the show during season six? If so I'd like to make a recommendation :D

It has been a goal of mine to try and boost the popularity as well as the knowledge of DC comic's first black super heroine: Vixen. I have already started a vixen fan group here on myspace to get the word out about her character because so many people had no idea she even existed. She is after all historically significant.

DC Comics wrote her origin issue in 1978, but her official debute came in Action Comics issue 521 when she fought beside none other than Smallville's favorite Son, Superman.

I think it would be a fantastic idea to have vixen as a guest on the show, in a similar situation as it was shown in the comics when she first met superman. She's hot tempered, does what she believes is right. Even better, the powers she receives is through a magic African totem, so even she could hurt Clark to a certain extent.

Here are few links that have details about her origin and abilities if you are interested:

http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/profiles/vixen.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vixen_%28comics%29

The fan group I started: http://groups.myspace.com/Vixenfans

If you could give me any feed back on what you think of the idea that would be great, I would love if the Smallville staff would consider my idea :D

Thank you for your time and keep up the great work!

[Brainiac 8]

^^Awsome e-mail Tom!:up:

Now if you would put in a good word for Oliver Queen.:O
You'll have to let us know what he says in reply.:)

[Gmanofsteel]

^^Awsome e-mail Tom!:up:

Now if you would put in a good word for Oliver Queen.:O
You'll have to let us know what he says in reply.:)
Lol, will do :) :up:

[AgentPat]

Hmm. Karla over at DeKnight's blog said she just read this quote from Gough in the latest SV magazine...

"Hypnotic was sexy and, finally, we got the death knell for the Lana-Clark relationship. After 5 years it's over forever. So that was great. We dragged it out as long as anyone could humanly drag out a relationship, real or unreal. It was nice to finally say goodbye to that."

I hear a storm a brewin', ahuh!

:eek:

[avidreader]

Hmm. Karla over at DeKnight's blog said she just read this quote from Gough in the latest SV magazine...

"Hypnotic was sexy and, finally, we got the death knell for the Lana-Clark relationship. After 5 years it's over forever. So that was great. We dragged it out as long as anyone could humanly drag out a relationship, real or unreal. It was nice to finally say goodbye to that."
I hear a storm a brewin', ahuh!

:eek:

The hate mail is gonna start pouring in.

[AgentPat]

The hate mail is gonna start pouring in.Ya think?! LOL http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/yougotit.gif

[The Incredible Hulk]

Sure :D He's what my email said:

Vixen? LOL Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel of DC heros. Personally I preferred they get Clark back on track first and then if there's time introcuce somoeone cool like Oliver Queen or John Jones....

[The Caped Knight]

Hmm. Karla over at DeKnight's blog said she just read this quote from Gough in the latest SV magazine...

"Hypnotic was sexy and, finally, we got the death knell for the Lana-Clark relationship. After 5 years it's over forever. So that was great. We dragged it out as long as anyone could humanly drag out a relationship, real or unreal. It was nice to finally say goodbye to that."

I hear a storm a brewin', ahuh!

:eek:

Well, as you know, i'm no fan of this realtionship, but I feel sorry for you guys. "Hypnotic" ending of Clana was cop-out, You'd think they'd end it on friendly terms [like in all the other incarnations of Clana from the comics to The STAS .]

[AgentPat]

Well, as you know, i'm no fan of this relationship, but I feel sorry for you guys. "Hypnotic" ending of Clana was cop-out, You'd think they'd end it on friendly terms [like in all the other incarnations of Clana from the comics to The STAS .]Eh. Doesn't phase me all that much. I knew Clark and Lana weren't meant to be, so their break-up is/was inevitable. I'm actually kind of glad Gough confirmed the romance is definitely over. I wasn't looking forward to potentially more see-saw shenanigans, though I expect the friendship will come back at some point. That said, the break-up *could* have been handled better. Oh well.

[The Caped Knight]

Eh. Doesn't phase me all that much. I knew Clark and Lana weren't meant to be, so their break-up is/was inevitable. I'm actually kind of glad Gough confirmed the romance is definitely over. I wasn't looking forward to potentially more see-saw shenanigans, though I expect the friendship will come back at some point. That said, the break-up *could* have been handled better. Oh well.

lol neither did I . But you do realize The Clana fans @ Sweet etc.. are going to be piss-off .

Anyways with this news now confirmed, I hope to see a huge change in the direction of the show. I expect to see more jam packed SUPERMAN mythology episodes. In fact I'd like to see The whole season be a mythology season .

[AgentPat]

lol neither did I . But you do realize The Clana fans @ Sweet etc.. are going to be piss-off.You're tellin' me. LOL I'm already seeing it over on DeKnight's blog. Jeezes H! They're outta control over there. Why can't people just sit back and enjoy the ride? It's like their lives are meaningless w/o the freakin' Clana. *sigh*

Anyways with this news now confirmed, I hope to see a huge change in the direction of the show. I expect to see more jam packed SUPERMAN mythology episodes. In fact I'd like to see The whole season be a mythology season.Well, I'd love that too, but there's no way they'll do it. Remember, part of the winning recipe (despite what we fanboys/girls feel) is to dole out the episodes in a more eclectic way, while tying it all together with season-long arcs. There will sill be FOTW eps (the "franchise" of the show), there will still be stand-alone eps ("filler" :rolleyes: ) and there will be mythology eps. The key is diversity. They'll never put all their eggs in one basket.

[The Caped Knight]

You're tellin' me. LOL I'm already seeing it over on DeKnight's blog. Jeezes H! They're outta control over there. Why can't people just sit back and enjoy the ride? It's like their lives are meaningless w/o the freakin' Clana. *sigh*



The reason why their like this is because SV is all they have'd left . They all know [even if some of them say they don't or won't accepted it] lana doesn't end up with clark. Their's no clana [romance] in SUPERMAN's story. and lana real isn't in Superman's life [she pop's in from time to time, but she not really apart of his life.]

They all know Lois Lane ends up with Clark Kent/SUPERMAN as his wife & true soulmate . They also know that their other tump card is over too [lana's baby boy Clark Kent Ross], due to SR. Lois will in fact soon become pregnate with a super baby in the comics . According to The Head of DC Comics Paul Levitz .

So looking @ all that Clana is pretty much no-existant in The Superman Mythology. And the only thing these fans had was Smallville . Now with The realtionship over, they've got nothing . So their going to be pissed-off ,

[avidreader]

Well I enjoyed the Clana while it lasted and understand why it needed to move on.

However, I think the bad breakup was great. It adds to the drama of the whole situation and when they come back together as friends, for me, I think it will re-enforce an even more special friendship between them.

How many couples who break up do so on wonderful terms? The bitterness that came from it will be reflected as a more meaningful and better understanding of each other later on.

Well, that's how I think they're gonna play it.

[Super_Ludacris]

The way people take the ships on this shows is beyond ridiculous and I mean both from a pro and anti stand point

[avidreader]

The thing with the absolute die hard Clana fans is that they think that everyone and everything is out to get them and tear down their ship so that everyone can have a laugh at their expense.

They seem to have missed the point that this a show for entertainment purposes and to make it entertaining you have to have drama, which includes good times and bad.

I find their posts over at DeKnight's Blog so frustrating and I'm thinking that Steve is beginning to wonder if he's good intentions were worth it.

[Kaboom]

the sad thing is that clana fans are destined for disappointment, y'know bc of the whole superman marries lois lane thing....

[Super_Ludacris]

The thing with the absolute die hard Clana fans is that they think that everyone and everything is out to get them and tear down their ship so that everyone can have a laugh at their expense.
.


True but then again they are all little girls living the Clana liked they lived Joey-Pacey,Marissa-Ryan, Angel-Buffy etc etc they'll take whatever teen relationship the WB give them with pink fluffy myspace pages and DTS blogs and a TRL soundtrack of Lifehouse and Rascaal Flatts.
My thing is what's up with Chlarkers? there like the ****ing annoying ass white girl in High School that tries to act all intellectual and hate the trendy crowd on some Jeanne Garafolo **** and reject Teen People and the prom for Nancy Drew novels and Veronica Mars on a Tuesday. Shoot, they ARE Chloe. And Clois shippers are just the most impatient insecure idiots on the face of the planet with the whole "But he cant be with her, its there DESTINY to be together, She's Lois Lane I mean Erica even brought Comic Book Boobies to make sure of that, when he gets with Lois he is SUPERMAN :supes: and why cant clark be like Jack Bauer " ( Yes that that is an imitation of a certain pre-pubescent turd who has yet to be flushed down the toilet of fandomania and y'all know who I'm talking about)


Oh yes I do enjoy dissing them dudes.

[Lara]

ouch that was harsh......I don't really get shippers in any fandom but still.....

[Lara]

I thought they fixed the double post thing with a delay.

[Super_Ludacris]

ouch that was harsh......I don't really get shippers in any fandom but still.....


They all need to be put in they place, not the characters

[AgentPat]

LMAO!! This thread is getting funny.

Haven't been back to Steven's blog recently, but last I was there, it was pretty bad. He's taking a helluva beating. Needlessly. He writes what he's told and embellishes to taste. I don't know why they don't understand that. They're pissing and moaning to HIM when they should be writing SNAIL mail to the producers of the show. Honestly, I'm surprised he hasn't closed his blog yet. I would have a while ago. I'd tell everybody to screw, but I'm a little more direct. LOL

[Super_Ludacris]

LMAO!! This thread is getting funny.

Haven't been back to Steven's blog recently, but last I was there, it was pretty bad. He's taking a helluva beating. Needlessly. He writes what he's told and embellishes to taste. I don't know why they don't understand that. They're pissing and moaning to HIM when they should be writing SNAIL mail to the producers of the show. Honestly, I'm surprised he hasn't closed his blog yet. I would have a while ago. I'd tell everybody to screw, but I'm a little more direct. LOL

I'm still baffled that Smallville out of all shows has such hyperbole of online fans but then again when the majority are overemotional teenage girls and boys (WB crowd) and overemotional comic book/fantasy/sci-fi geeks (Superman) they were destined to clash.

[avidreader]

They're not all little girls some of them are guys and some are mature women, however there are alot of little girls too :) .

What I've realised is that they arent real Clana fans, they are Lana fans. And the reason why they dont like the situation at the moment is because they want Lana to be with the good guy not the bad guy..... 'cause well you know that means everyone will hate on her.

They want Lana to be the hero and they want Lana to be the one to push Clark to his destinity by telling him flat out what he's got to do. What they dont realise is that Lana and Clark dont necessarily have to be all lovey dovey for such a thing to happen.

[Super_Ludacris]

They're not all little girls some of them are guys and some are mature women, however there are alot of little girls too :) .

What I've realised is that they arent real Clana fans, they are Lana fans. And the reason why they dont like the situation at the moment is because they want Lana to be with the good guy not the bad guy..... 'cause well you know that means everyone will hate on her.

They want Lana to be the hero and they want Lana to be the one to push Clark to his destinity by telling him flat out what he's got to do. What they dont realise is that Lana and Clark dont necessarily have to be all lovey dovey for such a thing to happen.

Nah your normal, and I hope they aint Lana fans. I mean I watch the show for her and I dont act crazy like them............most of the time. Really I just would like to see Lana in a more central influential role and it doesnt have to be a love intrest. Another why I hate Chloe, she didnt need to be made Lana could have just played that figure in Clark's life but I guess the execs at WB wanted them to follow a character formula that worked for other shows fo theirs

[avidreader]

Well Chloe is who she is and Lana is who she is, and they arent going to change the personalitites or their character development for either of these girls going into Season 6 just to make a certain ship happy.

Lana turning on Clark at this stage of the game is well within reason. Doesnt mean I like it, but I understand it. However, I also know that she's not going to marry Lex in the end and that she will learn something from this relationship.

Its all character building, which is what we want, we cant have all the characters stuck in the same situations that they were in in Season 1.

[The Incredible Hulk]

the sad thing is that clana fans are destined for disappointment, y'know bc of the whole superman marries lois lane thing....

the really sad thing is that people identify their "fandom" of the series by their preferred character's relationship instead of enjoying the coming of age of Clark and Lex.

[Super_Ludacris]

the really sad thing is that people identify their "fandom" of the series by their preferred character's relationship instead of enjoying the coming of age of Clark and Lex.

Kal-El 8: But it's his DESTINY:supes: Lois is his soulmate

[NHawk19]

Hmm. Karla over at DeKnight's blog said she just read this quote from Gough in the latest SV magazine...

"Hypnotic was sexy and, finally, we got the death knell for the Lana-Clark relationship. After 5 years it's over forever. So that was great. We dragged it out as long as anyone could humanly drag out a relationship, real or unreal. It was nice to finally say goodbye to that."
I hear a storm a brewin', ahuh!

:eek:

I suppose it depends on when the interview was done vs. when the mag came out. If the interview was done early in S5 we may or may not see that acctually happen. Remember Thurs was supposed to be a death sentence. But it it was more recent than Reckoning then it's about time.

[AgentPat]

I suppose it depends on when the interview was done vs. when the mag came out. If the interview was done early in S5 we may or may not see that acctually happen. Remember Thurs was supposed to be a death sentence. But it it was more recent than Reckoning then it's about time.It's fairly recent; the interview appears to have been done just before they got official word from CW for a S6 pick-up. So... I dunno... maybe two months old at this point?

There's a LOT more on that topic in the latest SV mag. It's totally worth the ten bucks. :up:

[Serene]

True but then again they are all little girls living the Clana liked they lived Joey-Pacey,Marissa-Ryan, Angel-Buffy etc etc they'll take whatever teen relationship the WB give them with pink fluffy myspace pages and DTS blogs and a TRL soundtrack of Lifehouse and Rascaal Flatts.

Dude.. really. It was Spike/Buffy. D'uh.
And Rascaal Flats? Ew. :p

My thing is what's up with Chlarkers? there like the ****ing annoying ass white girl in High School that tries to act all intellectual and hate the trendy crowd on some Jeanne Garafolo **** and reject Teen People and the prom for Nancy Drew novels and Veronica Mars on a Tuesday. Shoot, they ARE Chloe. And Clois shippers are just the most impatient insecure idiots on the face of the planet with the whole "But he cant be with her, its there DESTINY to be together, She's Lois Lane I mean Erica even brought Comic Book Boobies to make sure of that, when he gets with Lois he is SUPERMAN :supes: and why cant clark be like Jack Bauer " ( Yes that that is an imitation of a certain pre-pubescent turd who has yet to be flushed down the toilet of fandomania and y'all know who I'm talking about)


Oh yes I do enjoy dissing them dudes.

SL.. will you be my BFF? ;)


My beef.. and all I want to say about it because it's all SO out of my hands..
is Gough and Co. should be beat with sticks for the crap they pulled with the character of Lana.. and now that their female lead is a complete pariah in the online fandom communities they are backpedaling their chubby little legs like crazy and kicking her to the curb like yesterday's news. They are definitely NOT on my BFF list. :mad:

But...none of this has anything to do with Steven D. He's a great guy, but he's not one of the big kahunas pulling the strings. I just hope Steve does the best he can within the parameters that he's given. I think he will...

P.S. I'm in Florida with lots of squealing girls. Florida is, as always, HOT as hell and totally overpopulated with crunchy bugs. HELP!
But thank god for internet cafes!

[Kaboom]

serene i am in florida and i like bugs....slimy, yet satisfying.

[NHawk19]

P.S. I'm in Florida with lots of squealing girls. Florida is, as always, HOT as hell and totally overpopulated with crunchy bugs. HELP!
But thank god for internet cafes!

Why I was happy to leave after I was done with the airport.

[avidreader]

I enjoy reading inside information like this.


Sometimes we know who's writing an episode before we start talking about it, sometimes we don't. We were working on the premiere for almost a week before I knew I was tackling it. Then we continued breaking the story as a group, eventually splintering off into a smaller group once we had traction (so that the other writers could go start working on episode 2).
The first draft of Zod was handed in earlier this week. I'm now out working on the first round of notes, which at this point are purely story and character related. The next draft goes to the studio and network. I'll do their notes and then we start prepping the episode for production on the 28th. More rewrites will happen through prep to bring the budget down and tighten the story. The ep starts filming July 10. Those of you who arent boycotting the show will get to see it at the end of September.

[BaK]

...The ep starts filming July 10.
must be something - those first days of each season..

or they're just complete chaos..:eek:

wish they had some stories to share..

[avidreader]

Does that mean I think their views on Lana and Clark are the mad ramblings of a couple of crackheads? No, I don't. They have their reasons for what they are doing and where they want to go. I may or may not agree with them -- but I do see the validity of their side of the argument. There are many ways to take the relationship. They didn't choose the one I expected, but I none-the-less find it fascinating.

I'd love to know where this is going. I find the Clark/Lana relationship one of the more fascinating ones, because of the ups and downs.

[rumpuso]

I'd love to know where this is going. I find the Clark/Lana relationship one of the more fascinating ones, because of the ups and downs.
Avid, the quote you posted seemed the tail end of a larger subject being addressed. What was he answering? What question was asked of him?

[avidreader]

Avid, the quote you posted seemed the tail end of a larger subject being addressed. What was he answering? What question was asked of him?

Steve had actually said earlier that in his opinion the Clark and Lana relationship was the heart of the show and that maybe the Lexana relationship would ultimately have Clark and Lana become closer friends.

Some of the posters were actually being rather rude, calling him a liar, given Gough and Millar's recent comments in the Smallville Magazine.

[KalKai]

When is Pat coming back?

There is a plot for Clark. It's a verrrrry big one. That's why you're not hearing about it.

:)

[BaK]

hmm.. lets see.. a very big plot..

PLOT


:O

[avidreader]

Originally Posted by DeKnight
There is a plot for Clark. It's a verrrrry big one. That's why you're not hearing about it.


:)

WOOHOO!!!


Me like the sound of that!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/icons/party-smiley-052.gif

[rumpuso]

Oh this sounds excellent!

[Serene]

WOOHOO!!!


Me like the sound of that!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/suetomup/icons/party-smiley-052.gif

I'll join you in that happy dance!

And so will Tom. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/twdance8gr.gif

[rumpuso]

Wow! Go Tom Go!

(He's sooooo happy!!)

[Brainiac 8]

What Steve DeKnight said about the Lexana bringing them closer together, I hope he is right. I would love to see them finally put everything behind them, and really have "No more secrets, no more lies."

To be honest, I'm just taking what they give us. I am deffinatly interesting in where this is all going.:O :up:

[TKodami]

What Steve DeKnight said about the Lexana bringing them closer together, I hope he is right. I would love to see them finally put everything behind them, and really have "No more secrets, no more lies."

To be honest, I'm just taking what they give us. I am deffinatly interesting in where this is all going.:O :up:

Me too. :up: I look forward to the day when we have episodes dealing with Lana finding out about Clark--especially after everything she's been through with the Kryptonians baddies from the ship and (probably) Zod. It will make for good television. I hope that the writers give us half or even a whole season of Lana knowing. (There's that optimism-thing rearing its head again. :D)

[AgentPat]

When is Pat coming back?Just got back today -- and have a LOT of catching up to do. I haven't been over to DeKnight's blog yet - I'm thinking I'll need to put a pot of coffee on first - but this "big plot" twist sounds rather.... um... tasty.

*keeps fingers crossed* http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pray.gif

And speaking of people with interesting comments to make on all things sort of red, blue and yellow, somebody owes us a visit, and soon! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pizza.gif

[avidreader]

Just got back today -- and have a LOT of catching up to do. I haven't been over to DeKnight's blog yet - I'm thinking I'll need to put a pot of coffee on first - but this "big plot" twist sounds rather.... um... tasty.

*keeps fingers crossed* http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pray.gif

And speaking of people with interesting comments to make on all things sort of red, blue and yellow, somebody owes us a visit, and soon! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pizza.gif

He has been conspicuously absent of late, hasnt he? :rolleyes:

[NHawk19]

^True. Wonder where he's at. It's late and I could use a slice to break the silence

[BaK]

And speaking of people with interesting comments to make on all things sort of red, blue and yellow, somebody owes us a visit, and soon! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/pizza.gif

they make pizzas with blue stuff now ? :eek:

:o

[Kaboom]

who exaclt are we talking about?

[triplet]

who exaclt are we talking about?

You need the AgentPat decoder ring... ;) :D

(She was referring to JackMercy, who hasn't been around of late...)

[Ardrhielle]

You need the AgentPat decoder ring... ;) :D

(She was referring to JackMercy, who hasn't been around of late...)

Like I speculated in another thread, maybe the higher ups have emptied the water cooler so that any negative press can't be propagated...sort of like how Steve can't tell anyone of the "big plot". But I really do miss the talk about food. Like you, I'm getting hungry.

[The Incredible Hulk]

dont they start shooting next week? I assume Steve is probbaly locked away somewhere trying to finish the Zod script with Al & Miles

[BaK]

I assume Steve is probbaly locked away somewhere...
www.mypz.com ?

:eek:

[NHawk19]

Monday should kick off some good spoilers

[triplet]

www.mypz.com (http://www.mypz.com) ?

:eek:

*snort*

[The Incredible Hulk]

OK, I'm lost..... :(

[Spider-Gamer]

OK, I'm lost..... :(
I have to agree.

[triplet]

he he he...

:D

[BaK]

moving on..

:D

[Serene]

www.mypz.com ?

:eek:
You are *such* a goof.
That's why I like ya. ;)

ARDY! Great to see you around again.. I really missed you. *hugs*

So.. did Pizza Man ever show up? I guess I'll just have to wade through a zillion more posts to find out.

[Serene]

New blog -

Holy cape and cod piece! Is it true?! Is DeKnight FINALLY starting a new blog?! Thats right, kids! In light of all the buzz about Green Arrow possibly coming to the show (which I can neither confirm nor deny despite the article in TV Guide because hey I like my job) I thought Id open up a blog devoted to the Jolly Green Archer and any other hero/villain types you think itd be cool to have on Smallville. And before you start the clamoring, Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince are pretty much off the table due to restrictions from the feature department.

Have fun, play nice, and God speed, Screw-on Head!

- DeKnight

[Spider-Gamer]

Awesome, I sent him a blog comment! Thanks for the heads up Serene! :up:

[NHawk19]

New blog -

Holy cape and cod piece! Is it true?! Is DeKnight FINALLY starting a new blog?! Thats right, kids! In light of all the buzz about Green Arrow possibly coming to the show (which I can neither confirm nor deny despite the article in TV Guide because hey I like my job) I thought Id open up a blog devoted to the Jolly Green Archer and any other hero/villain types you think itd be cool to have on Smallville. And before you start the clamoring, Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince are pretty much off the table due to restrictions from the feature department.

Have fun, play nice, and God speed, Screw-on Head!

- DeKnight

http://www.speedreading.com/images/can-o-worms.jpg

[The Incredible Hulk]

DeKnight = glutton for punishment

That being said:
Green Lantern is porbably the only character I'd care to see with Bruce and Diana off the table. That's such a lame restriction BTW, like Begins 2 is gonna suffer if Wes Bentley shows up on Smallville playing BW? Whats the thinking there? maybe someone should ask DeKnight that.... I would but I cant access MySpace at work

[Silver Lad]

If they are using Green Lantern, they should do it soon, this season. Before the film rights are sold. I'm curious as to which Lantern they would use and what he would look like, since they arent fans of showing the DC heroes in their actual superhero costumes.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It would have to be Hal Jordan, probably in a green, black, and white outfit of some kind. although at this point in life, Hal would probably still just be a fighter pilot

[Silver Lad]

I have a strange feeling, if they were going to use GL, they'll use John Stewart or one of the other GLs. Because they used Bart Allen, I just dont see them using Hal.

Personally I'd really want to see Alan Scott, but they seem to be in the habit of only doing young superheroes before they were superheroes, so I dont know.

[RakuMon]

DeKnight = glutton for punishment

That being said:
Green Lantern is porbably the only character I'd care to see with Bruce and Diana off the table. That's such a lame restriction BTW, like Begins 2 is gonna suffer if Wes Bentley shows up on Smallville playing BW? Whats the thinking there? maybe someone should ask DeKnight that.... I would but I cant access MySpace at work

My sentiments EXACTLY!!!! I even say so in my comment on Knight's blog.
If Superman Returns and Smallville can co-exist, why can't Batman or Wonder Woman?
But I digress...

[Silver Lad]

My sentiments EXACTLY!!!! I even say so in my comment on Knight's blog.
If Superman Returns and Smallville can co-exist, why can't Batman or Wonder Woman?
But I digress...

Maybe because WB distinguishes one as young Clark's adventures in Smallville while the other is Superman adventures.

I'm skeptical that WB would allow an actual live action Superman tv series, suit and everything, to happen while the film franchaise continues.

I've never been a fan of these embargos due to property rights, WB seems to enforce them strongly though. We didnt get Aquaman in the last season of JLU thanks to the Gough and Millar's pilot that never became a series :(

[RakuMon]

Maybe because WB distinguishes one as young Clark's adventures in Smallville while the other is Superman adventures.

I'm skeptical that WB would allow an actual live action Superman tv series, suit and everything, to happen while the film franchaise continues.

I've never been a fan of these embargos due to property rights, WB seems to enforce them strongly though. We didnt get Aquaman in the last season of JLU thanks to the Gough and Millar's pilot that never became a series :(
But even that distinguishment means that BW and DP should be okay. After all, they'd only be Young Bruce's or Young Diana's?

[Silver Lad]

But even that distinguishment means that BW and DP should be okay. After all, they'd only be Young Bruce's or Young Diana's?

True. Then again, Young Bruce was featured in Begins, travelling the world.

Whedon is doing WW as an origins story, meaning Diana will be young.

I noticed Singer made teenage Clark alot younger than the version that Welling portrays, instead of traditionally making him 18 like in Superman The Movie.

I dont think they want to step on each other's toes. They seem to be going out of their way to avoid noticeable overlap.

[Kaboom]

I have a strange feeling, if they were going to use GL, they'll use John Stewart or one of the other GLs. Because they used Bart Allen, I just dont see them using Hal.

Personally I'd really want to see Alan Scott, but they seem to be in the habit of only doing young superheroes before they were superheroes, so I dont know.

come over to the darkside you have....

i too would enjoy an Alan Scott more than any other GL although a Hal appearance would be the one i would like to see second.

[Serene]

I dont think they want to step on each other's toes. They seem to be going out of their way to avoid noticeable overlap.
On one level, I can understand the desire to not have world's collide, but.. on the other hand, it does annoy me a bit that they don't give viewers credit for being able to understand and accept co-existing entities that are unique.

I think everyone across the board is glad that SV and SR were kept separate, so why wouldn't the same apply to WW or Batman?

[Silver Lad]

come over to the darkside you have....

i too would enjoy an Alan Scott more than any other GL although a Hal appearance would be the one i would like to see second.

Well the reasoning behind Alan Scott is simple. We've already explored the territory of Clark's interaction with younger superheroes.

Alan Scott is a war veteran and a living relic of an era past. Hes a mentor figure who could educate Clark about a secret organization from decades ago called the J.S.A [Justice Society of America]. It no longer exists, most of the members are long dead save for a few who havent aged much thanks to their powers like Alan Scott and Jay Garrick.

Basically its about Clark being inspired by other heroes and gaining the knowledge of a previous organization for superheroes that once existed. This in turn will help influence him to organize the JLA someday. This could also help influence him to think about becoming a formal superhero himself someday.

[Silver Lad]

I think everyone across the board is glad that SV and SR were kept separate, so why wouldn't the same apply to WW or Batman?

I'm not sure. WB and DC just arent fans of the same character being represented twice in different forms. I don't neccessarily agree with that tactic but then again, I'm not privy to all the business details that they are.

You've got to also consider that alot of film and television audiences arent as smart as you either. They may get confused.

[Kaboom]

Well the reasoning behind Alan Scott is simple. We've already explored the territory of Clark's interaction with younger superheroes.

Alan Scott is a war veteran and a living relic of an era past. Hes a mentor figure who could educate Clark about a secret organization from decades ago called the J.S.A [Justice Society of America]. It no longer exists, most of the members are long dead save for a few who havent aged much thanks to their powers like Alan Scott and Jay Garrick.

Basically its about Clark being inspired by other heroes and gaining the knowledge of a previous organization for superheroes that once existed. This in turn will help influence him to organize the JLA someday. This could also help influence him to think about becoming a formal superhero himself someday.

my exact thoughts when i was writing propaganda for it a while back.