Why are they not wearing shirts?

[Killswitch]

These people are fighting with swords, yes? Should they not wear any kind of armour -- even, say, a SHIRT?

I just think the "cape and no shirt" fashion is going to cause problems for this movie...it makes it seem infinitely cheesier. Like having women soldiers in bikini tops.

Yes, the guys are buff...but come on! They should be wearing shirts INTO BATTLE.

[Darthphere]

Because historically they wouldve just fought naked.

[ZER0C00L]

F This i want my V threads..

[블라스]

That's because they want to show off their buff bodies and remind us that we do NOT look like that :o

[GothicPowerMix1]

Because its Hollywood. Its their way of getting the Chicks into Theaters

[Mr. Socko]

NO!

Because thats how it is in Frank Miller's books

[Nivek]

Not everyone used to wear armor in battles that long ago. Forged and cast metal was rare in those days.

[Darthphere]

They should be naked if they want to go for accuracy really.

[MaskedManJRK]

They should be naked if they want to go for accuracy really.

Miller may be one of the few comic artists with the balls (literary) to draw naked dudes every once in a while in his comics (Sin City is the best example of this), but not even he had the brass pair nessesary to have a comic filled with dudes fighting each other with their willies flopping about.

And if Miller couldn't do it in the comic, then Hollywood DEFINATELY wouldn't do it.

[The Storm]

This was featured in Troy although they didn't extend it to the battlefield, which is why Troy is an ulimate chick flick!!

Not everyone used to wear armor in battles that long ago. Forged and cast metal was rare in those days.

:up:

[sithgoblin]

Fighting withput armour showed that you were more brave than people who did wear armour. The Spartans were the bravest of the brave.

[neemer5]

Yeah its weird that they have capes but not shirts, but who am I to judge?
I have a feeling this film will undoubtedly end up in the "gay interest" section of Blockbusters, right between Spartacus and Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.

[MaskedManJRK]

Yeah its weird that they have capes but not shirts, but who am I to judge?
I have a feeling this film will undoubtedly end up in the "gay interest" section of Blockbusters, right between Spartacus and Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.

Ironically enough, in the book, the Spartans would critize the Romans and how "gay" they were. :o

[kytrigger]

Yeah its weird that they have capes but not shirts, but who am I to judge?
I have a feeling this film will undoubtedly end up in the "gay interest" section of Blockbusters, right between Spartacus and Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.

The reason they wore red capes was because it signified a Spartan warrior. It was their trademark to have the red capes. While some did wear armor, most did not, and they were known for training in the nude as well.

[Darthphere]

Oh by the way vote for Calvin.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229187

[herakles]

Because historically they wouldve just fought naked.
Says WHO?? Frank Miller. Dude have you ever been to Greece??? I have all they have in there musuems are Marble collums, Statues, Coins and armour!! Why would they build the armour and NOT use them?????

[herakles]

Not everyone used to wear armor in battles that long ago. Forged and cast metal was rare in those days.
The Greeks used Linien Curiass' when not using Bronze Also I think the red either signified Aries or Herakles since the Kings of Sparta believed that they where Decended from Herakles!

[Darthphere]

Says WHO?? Frank Miller. Dude have you ever been to Greece??? I have all they have in there musuems are Marble collums, Statues, Coins and armour!! Why would they build the armour and NOT use them?????


:rolleyes: During the time period of the movie they wouldve fought naked. The armor you saw was from later.

[Darthphere]

Heres a piece of artwork from 1814 by some french dude.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Leonidas.jpg

[herakles]

:rolleyes: During the time period of the movie they wouldve fought naked. The armor you saw was from later.

The battle was fought in 480 bc and the Greeks had body armour then! Also the Greeks trained in the nude NOT fought in the nude! Hell the Mycenaeans used armour in 1200's bc!! Also the Bronze Age in the Near East where Greece is locating dated from 3500-1200 bc so the tech was available.

The nude thing is a misconception! The Greek Hopilte's equipment would have been a bronze helmet, bronze shin greaves, bronze covered hoplon shield, a short thrusting sword called xiphos, 9 ft spear and linen, leather, or bronze body armour! Also if they fought in the nude back then WHY would they use helmets then if their shield and spears would be able to portect them ????
IMO Frank Miller used a stylized vision of the battle hell look at King Xerxes Frank had him looking like fetish club reject and the Persians and Greeks looking like dreadlocked Rastamen:down I am Greek and my ancestors idealized and stylized the male human form but they understood that having as much protection as possible was good!

Also "Molon Labe" was statement Leonidas said to the Persians when ask to give up their arms it means "come get them"

[Darthphere]

The battle was fought in 480 bc and the Greeks had body armour then! Also the Greeks trained in the nude NOT fought in the nude! Hell the Mycenaeans used armour in 1200's bc!! Also the Bronze Age in the Near East where Greece is locating dated from 3500-1200 bc so the tech was available.

The nude thing is a misconception! The Greek Hopilte's equipment would have been a bronze helmet, bronze shin greaves, bronze covered hoplon shield, a short thrusting sword called xiphos, 9 ft spear and linen, leather, or bronze body armour! Also if they fought in the nude back then WHY would they use helmets then if their shield and spears would be able to portect them ????
IMO Frank Miller used a stylized vision of the battle hell look at King Xerxes Frank had him looking like fetish club reject and the Persians and Greeks looking like dreadlocked Rastamen:down I am Greek and my ancestors idealized and stylized the male human form but they understood that having as much protection as possible was good!

Also "Molon Labe" was statement Leonidas said to the Persians when ask to give up their arms it means "come get them"


Fine dude, I dont feel like arguing though, its a pretty common fact that Greeks fought in the nude. If you believe otherwise thats fine.

[green]

Heres a piece of artwork from 1814 by some french dude.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Leonidas.jpg


Jacques-Louis David.;)
And actually that painting is of King Leonidas, that's where they got the costumes from and from the looks of the painting they over dress in the movie.

[neemer5]

Actually, only sporting events were traditionally in the nude. Greek arena-fighting and wrestling was definitely in the nude. Even the audience had to be in the nude. This was to make sure that no women competed, I believe.
As far as fighting, I think it isn't 100% that they did fight with minimal armour.http://www.man2manalliance.org/hero/heroimages/hoplitepursued.jpg

[sithgoblin]

Says WHO?? Frank Miller. Dude have you ever been to Greece??? I have all they have in there musuems are Marble collums, Statues, Coins and armour!! Why would they build the armour and NOT use them?????
Only the rich could afford armour, and it was a sign of strength to fight naked.

[herakles]

Only the rich could afford armour, and it was a sign of strength to fight naked.

which Polis???? Remember that Greece was splitin to Polis
Also Hoplites where citizen fighters who where the weathly and could afford to use armour! Those who couldn't due to not being citizen or being poor did NOT fight in the hoplite ranks they fought in the light infantry ranks!! The Ancient greek military didn't just have heavy infantry at their disposal. Also the 300 Spartan Knights where the rich full citizens who had male heirs (which was a prerequite).

The Greeks boxed, wrestled, ran track(except the full armoured run ), pancreated in the nude during athletic competitions such as funeral, wedding, Religous(such as the Olympics) games. Also they trained in those various activites the nude.

[Venomfan]

phew at least herakles knows his stuff, hes right, the spartans did where armor, they trained in the nude, and did lots of nasty stuff in the nude that im sure wont be included in the movie, like the whole being encouraged to sleep with eachother and only sleep with there wives on weekends, the red was also so the enemy wouldnt be able to see them bleed

[herakles]

phew at least herakles knows his stuff, hes right, the spartans did where armor, they trained in the nude, and did lots of nasty stuff in the nude that im sure wont be included in the movie, like the whole being encouraged to sleep with eachother and only sleep with there wives on weekends, the red was also so the enemy wouldnt be able to see them bleed
Besides being of Greek heritage I have a history degree and I am in the SCA. So I am constantly getting into conversations about Ancient Greece especially with the topic being this battle!
Frank Miller's mini was a good "Comic mini" but I feel that a movie based on this battle should be the one based on the Gates of Fire book by Steven Pressfield which supposedly George Clooney has the rights to produce. But that is my opinion. Also earlier I said I wouldn't watch this movie...I am wrong I probably watch this movie.
I just hope that the stylization use in the comics to protray the Greeks and Persians are are not used in the movie. Greeks being protrayed with dreadlocks and the Persians as african fetish freaks. Now don't get me wrong Xerxes did have African mercenaries BUT his armies where made up of mostly Persians, Anatolians, Iraqis, Armenians and Greek mercenaries. Also the Spartans didn't have dreadlocks.
Also did you know that the decendants of the villagers that King Otto of Greece had populate the refounded city of Sparta in 1830's are the direct decendants of the Spartans who fleed into the surrounding mountains to excape the Gothic invasions of 450 AD.
Also during those Gothic invastions a Gothic army was repelled by a Spartan phalanx before a larger army invaded Peloponnese which sack most of the cities including Sparta.

PS Basically what I am trying to say is that a Battle of such inportance SHOULD BE done as accuratelly as possible of else you'll end up with a movie like Troy or Alexander UTTER CRAP!!! And this Battle MEANS SO MUCH TO ME that I couldn't handle watching a movie that doesn't do my ancestors justice! that is all

[Darthphere]

Besides being of Greek heritage I have a history degree and I am in the SCA. So I am constantly getting into conversations about Ancient Greece especially with the topic being this battle!
Frank Miller's mini was a good "Comic mini" but I feel that a movie based on this battle should be the one based on the Gates of Fire book by Steven Pressfield which supposedly George Clooney has the rights to produce. But that is my opinion. Also earlier I said I wouldn't watch this movie...I am wrong I probably watch this movie.
I just hope that the stylization use in the comics to protray the Greeks and Persians are are not used in the movie. Greeks being protrayed with dreadlocks and the Persians as african fetish freaks. Now don't get me wrong Xerxes did have African mercenaries BUT his armies where made up of mostly Persians, Anatolians, Iraqis, Armenians and Greek mercenaries. Also the Spartans didn't have dreadlocks.
Also did you know that the decendants of the villagers that King Otto of Greece had populate the refounded city of Sparta in 1830's are the direct decendants of the Spartans who fleed into the surrounding mountains to excape the Gothic invasions of 450 AD.
Also during those Gothic invastions a Gothic army was repelled by a Spartan phalanx before a larger army invaded Peloponnese which sack most of the cities including Sparta.


You will be disappointed then. This is based on frank Miller's 300. Which means all the xtravagant stuff, magical warriors and all that will be included.

[GoldGoblin]

That's because they want to show off their buff bodies and remind us that we do NOT look like that :o

^Speak for yourself:)

[kytrigger]

Besides being of Greek heritage I have a history degree and I am in the SCA. So I am constantly getting into conversations about Ancient Greece especially with the topic being this battle!
Frank Miller's mini was a good "Comic mini" but I feel that a movie based on this battle should be the one based on the Gates of Fire book by Steven Pressfield which supposedly George Clooney has the rights to produce. But that is my opinion. Also earlier I said I wouldn't watch this movie...I am wrong I probably watch this movie.
I just hope that the stylization use in the comics to protray the Greeks and Persians are are not used in the movie. Greeks being protrayed with dreadlocks and the Persians as african fetish freaks. Now don't get me wrong Xerxes did have African mercenaries BUT his armies where made up of mostly Persians, Anatolians, Iraqis, Armenians and Greek mercenaries. Also the Spartans didn't have dreadlocks.
Also did you know that the decendants of the villagers that King Otto of Greece had populate the refounded city of Sparta in 1830's are the direct decendants of the Spartans who fleed into the surrounding mountains to excape the Gothic invasions of 450 AD.
Also during those Gothic invastions a Gothic army was repelled by a Spartan phalanx before a larger army invaded Peloponnese which sack most of the cities including Sparta.

PS Basically what I am trying to say is that a Battle of such inportance SHOULD BE done as accuratelly as possible of else you'll end up with a movie like Troy or Alexander UTTER CRAP!!! And this Battle MEANS SO MUCH TO ME that I couldn't handle watching a movie that doesn't do my ancestors justice! that is all

I'm greek too, and I am really looking forward to this movie. While it won't be historically accurate, you have to remember that the main thing that has stayed from this story is the fight against impossible odds. This is what everyone thinks about when they hear about Thermopylae, to most, it is a tale of inspiration (which is what Frank Miller's novel emphasises over historical accuracy).

Just because that tale of inspiration isn't that historically accurate, doesn't make it a bad movie, or even a worse movie than one that would be more accurate.

I can see that the historical part is very important to you, and that is completely fine, but you have to understand that to the vast majority of the movie watching world, those historical accuracies come in second to an engaging "facing impossible odds" type of story that Thermopylae has always been about.

Seeing your credentials, I can safely say that I don't know nearly as much about history as you, but still, I like to think of myself as pretty up to snuff on Thermopylae, and while I will probably see many things in the movie that I know to be false, it won't diminish me from watching a (hopefully) great movie based off of one of the greatest stands of all time.

[Horrorfan]

Fighting withput armour showed that you were more brave than people who did wear armour. The Spartans were the bravest of the brave.

They also all died out.

Bravery and stupidity is a fine line.

[herakles]

I'm greek too, and I am really looking forward to this movie. While it won't be historically accurate, you have to remember that the main thing that has stayed from this story is the fight against impossible odds. This is what everyone thinks about when they hear about Thermopylae, to most, it is a tale of inspiration (which is what Frank Miller's novel emphasises over historical accuracy).

Just because that tale of inspiration isn't that historically accurate, doesn't make it a bad movie, or even a worse movie than one that would be more accurate.

I can see that the historical part is very important to you, and that is completely fine, but you have to understand that to the vast majority of the movie watching world, those historical accuracies come in second to an engaging "facing impossible odds" type of story that Thermopylae has always been about.

Seeing your credentials, I can safely say that I don't know nearly as much about history as you, but still, I like to think of myself as pretty up to snuff on Thermopylae, and while I will probably see many things in the movie that I know to be false, it won't diminish me from watching a (hopefully) great movie based off of one of the greatest stands of all time.


ti kanies phille NICE to know a fellow Hellene is around:) The reason I worry about this movie is 2 reasons, Troy and Alexander,,, nuff said

[kytrigger]

ti kanies phille NICE to know a fellow Hellene is around:) The reason I worry about this movie is 2 reasons, Troy and Alexander,,, nuff said

Yeah, these boards are just like Thermopylae, there may only be a few of us around, but we are always a force to be reckoned with. :)

[Horrorfan]

Yeah, these boards are just like Thermopylae, there may only be a few of us around, but we are always a force to be reckoned with. :)

Didn't the spartans loose in the battle? ;)

[kytrigger]

Didn't the spartans loose in the battle? ;)

hehehe...but we won the war :)

[Horrorfan]

hehehe...but we won the war :)

:up: kick ass :D

[herakles]

hehehe...but we won the war :)

ZETO ELLADAS...... ADELFOSMOU






In English. Long Live Greece My Brother

[Venomfan]

yah herakles gates of fire would have been a much better book to base it on, there were so many other cool characters in it. dienekes was portrayed really well, and the whole thing with rooster was a cool subplot, and suicide would have been awesome to see on screen, as well as polynikes. probably even just a remake of the 300 spartans would be better.

[herakles]

yah herakles gates of fire would have been a much better book to base it on, there were so many other cool characters in it. dienekes was portrayed really well, and the whole thing with rooster was a cool subplot, and suicide would have been awesome to see on screen, as well as polynikes. probably even just a remake of the 300 spartans would be better.
Have you read the book? The book is my fav beside the Godfather.

Suicide ROCKED I LOVED the part when he shows up on the final day as the majority of Greeks are leaving except for the Spartans and Thebans all bandaged up refusing to leave stating that "I can't piss or **** BUT I can STILL fight!!!"

Also the part when Polynikes tells Alexandros that he was wrong about him. Dude just that part alone makes the book SO MUCH better than 300. PEOPLE if you liked Frank Miller's 300 you'll LOVE Steven Pressfield's Gates fo Fire. AS a Greek that book does my ancestors sacrifice JUSTICE!!! It goes into depth on the Agoge that Spartan youth went thru to become Spartan warriors. Also the discription of the Battle is done with such detail you'll think your there!!! Picture a river of blood and gore flowing down the pass between the combatants as they fight... That is how the battle is discribed!

[Mr Sensitive]

Because historically they wouldve just fought naked.

In fact, they didn't.

Ancient artistic representation wasn't meant to translate the truth in a journalistic way.

They were emphasizing the heroism of the warriors by depicting them naked in fight.

[kytrigger]

Have you read the book? The book is my fav beside the Godfather.

Suicide ROCKED I LOVED the part when he shows up on the final day as the majority of Greeks are leaving except for the Spartans and Thebans all bandaged up refusing to leave stating that "I can't piss or **** BUT I can STILL fight!!!"

Also the part when Polynikes tells Alexandros that he was wrong about him. Dude just that part alone makes the book SO MUCH better than 300. PEOPLE if you liked Frank Miller's 300 you'll LOVE Steven Pressfield's Gates fo Fire. AS a Greek that book does my ancestors sacrifice JUSTICE!!! It goes into depth on the Agoge that Spartan youth went thru to become Spartan warriors. Also the discription of the Battle is done with such detail you'll think your there!!! Picture a river of blood and gore flowing down the pass between the combatants as they fight... That is how the battle is discribed!

I just finished reading Gates of Fire today. Great book. Loved it. It would make a great movie, but I still think that 300 will also.

[neemer5]

I don't think 300 needs to be historically accurate to be successful.
Miller's work is (admittedly) more fantasy than historical, so the only thing that it should be true to is the comic.

[Venomfan]

yah i read gates of fire, my school library had it on display like a year ago, i had heard of it, and knew it was about thermopolye, and my favorite books are ancient historical fiction so i picked it up right away, it was sweet. actually the biggest reason they should make the movie based off it instead is because Xerxes was actually persian in it, not freakin like numidian.

[Turd McFurden]

if were getting really really real, let's let them have butt sex with each other. So there love of each other could carry over to the battlefield.

[herakles]

if were getting really really real, let's let them have butt sex with each other. So there love of each other could carry over to the battlefield.I bet that would make you happy!!!!!!! You'd run to be at the front of the line!!

[Lady Leonidas]

The reason they wore red capes was because it signified a Spartan warrior. It was their trademark to have the red capes. While some did wear armor, most did not, and they were known for training in the nude as well.

In the "real" Spartan world, the "red" was worn was to conceal their wounds... I know... not in this flick! LOL!

Lady Leonidas :xmen: