The Rumors, The Facts, The Speculation: Cyclops

[The Original Bamfer]

The Rumors, The Facts, The Speculation: Cyclops
By: The Original Bamfer

Disclaimer: Known Spoilers Ahead. I realize this could have belonged in the Official Cyclops Thread. I just feel that with all the information, it could use its own thread rather than getting left behind. If it must be merged, than do so.


Comic Background
It’s pretty obvious that most X-men fans associate the Phoenix Saga with the characters, Jean and Scott. The two shared a real love, unlike the infatuation shared between Logan and Jean. This love is what allowed Scott to stop the Phoenix in the comics – he is known to be the only one that can do so.

Infamous Script Review
Yup. It said Cyclops would be “demolecularized” by Jean’s uncontrollable powers. It portrayed Scott going to Alkali Lake – Jean rises and asks Scott to take off his shades, saying she “can control it” but really can’t. Scott dies, and that’s it for him – in the first two acts. Strangely enough, the third act was never given to the script reviewers, which is the act heavily believed Cyclops will return – The Final Battle.

What backs it up – The Trailers and TV Spots prove that Scott does go to Alkali Lake, at the time, by himself. He does take off his glasses… In addition, some hints the promotion have given to his apparent death are: Floating shades and no Scott in sight, when Logan and Storm arrive at Alkali.

What defies it – A lot more seems to happen at Alkali Lake than mentioned in the Script Review. For some reason, Scott throws off his glasses and releases a raw optic beam. Domino effects of large splashes occur, with a red/pink energy below, possibly occurring from the optic shots. A violent wave, seemingly water, hits Scott (with glasses on) – throwing him back, hitting the rock below. There is also a kiss between a shade-less Scott and Jean.

Further Conclusion (Script Review) – The writers have said that a lot has changed since the draft (above) mentioned was made. It’s obvious from what we’ve seen that it certainly has. The Third Act was not given to review…

Promotion
The first ‘promo’ shot we got of Scott was on the Official Website and was a headshot of him with shades, scruffy, and wearing a presumably Photoshopped x-suit. Later, however, Magazines came out with new character promo’s including a cleaned up Cyclops in a real x-suit (See below, picture 1). Once asked, it was revealed that this particular photo was not from X2, but from X3. More promotion pictures came out of Cyclops suited up. So far in the X-movies, any character who has been advertised as wearing a uniform has worn one in that installment.
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In The Ultimate Summer Movie Preview ’06! Issue of PREMIERE movie magazine, Cyclops actor, James Marsden, talked about getting back into the leather x-suit, saying “It was a Pavlovian response once I got into the suit: ‘Ah yes, this discomfort.’” Most likely meaning that he will show up in the film with the suit on. It does not seem likely he’d comment on the garb used for promotional work. Among the movie-based books being released, is a children’s book titled Meet the X-men. This book had most of the X-men team characters on it apart from Angel, Jean and Cyclops. A preview was given of the book (see picture below) that reveals Scott with the X-men. Oddly enough, Beast is also in the same shot – who is heavily believed to join after Cyclops’s presumed disappearance. If Scott is to die in the movie, wouldn’t they leave him out of the promoting children books, rather than leaving him in?
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Cameron Bright’s Behind the Scene Picture
Cameron’s fan site showcased some of his behind-the-scenes shots from X3. Most parts of the pictures, besides Cameron, were blurred out due to ‘spoiling.’ One shot (see below) had a non-blurred space which had the face and hair of a male figure. The figure also seemed to be wearing a visor, or at the very least had something covering his eyes. At a closer inspection, the neckline and collar are visible. Many agree that it is/could be Cyclops – but some believe it is a poster, or cardboard cut-out, but is most likely a person. The visible, non-blurred, background behind the figure matches up exactly with that of the Alcatraz scene (easily seen in some Beast promo’s), as well as its ground.
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Theories/Contradictions
Many believe Cyclops will be in the movie toward the end. Either he will turn up or Jean will bring him back. Who’s to say Jean won’t revive Scott after she demolecularizes him? She has the power to. Even though Scott coming back from the dead would be ‘beating the dead horse’ after Jean’s grand rebirth, it’s still a possible theory. Another hot theory is that Cyclops doesn’t die – but is, instead, kidnapped by someone until the ending battle. Usually the kidnappers are thought to be Magneto/Callisto. Especially after Callisto tells Magneto that she knows of a mutant “more powerful than [him].” Could it be Callisto and a few others were there at Alkali Lake when Jean rose? That could be a reasonable explanation for the violent happenings in the scene during the trailers. Psylocke is also given the possible role of creating an illusion to fool Jean into believing Scott is dead (much like what happened in the Comics). Why would Magneto plan to do this? Possibly because he knows how powerful Jean is and wants to get her to side with him. To further this theory, it is believed Magneto tells Jean that Xavier blocked off her powers and -THE THEORY ADDS IN- that Scott would not be dead if it hadn’t been for Xavier, ultimately getting Phoenix’s alliance and anger toward the X-men. It wouldn’t be unlike Magneto’s scheming self to do such a thing. Other characters, such as Rogue and Angel, are missing from the Final Battle. With them, Cyclops could return to aid the X-men. It is official that more mutants will help the X-men than what is seen (Storm, Wolverine, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus and Beast).

Kinberg & Penn (The Writers)
The Writers seem to be big fans of the comics, as well as Cyclops. They said that Scott will have emotional scenes, and is a driving part in the Story. Every scene from this movie can be referenced from a scene in the actual comics. They also said that…

”Things will come full Circle”
All three movies, by the end of X-men: The Last Stand, will fit together – emotionally, socially and politically. This, to me, is what assures Scott’s survival. The relationship between Scott and Jean is obvious in X-men and X3: X-men United, and will be concluded in this installment. In X2, Jean and Logan share a moment where Logan claims he is capable of being Jean’s lover. Jean mentions her crush for him, but her true love for Scott. If things play out like that, then Scott is truly the only one capable of bringing the fury of Phoenix to an end – not Logan. Also, the Jean and Scott seem to be engaged… could it be, though unlikely, that there may be a marriage? Their emotional arc will come full circle, and for this to happen for Scott, he must be with Jean. And likewise. Scott, sharing a touching moment with Xavier in X-men (1), assured him that he would take care of the X-men “if anything happened.” Xavier is heavily rumored to die in X3.




This is why I believe he lives - the proof.

[Halcohol]

Excellent post, TOB... a much-needed summary of the controversy surrounding Cyclops.

By the by.... how long did it take you to write this post?

[The Original Bamfer]

Thanks - A while, man... why?

[gap5ewl]

awesome post TOB:up: great points

[Halcohol]

Thanks - A while, man... why?
Because to format the same post would've taken me an hour :p Hell, it took me a half hour just to get the colours in my signature this way and it's still not right :D Anyways...

While you make some valid points, and I must admit there is a ton of evidence that supports your theory, I must say a lot of it is only circumstantial. I'm not trying to discredit your theory, but I'm going to remain on the side of caution and not expect either outcome. They've done such a good job keeping his role in the film secret that I honestly don't know WHAT to believe.

Though I will give a small cheer if/when he shows up at the final battle... I'll cheer twice if he decapitates a Sentinel :cool:

[The Original Bamfer]

Because to format the same post would've taken me an hour :p Hell, it took me a half hour just to get the colours in my signature this way and it's still not right :D Anyways...

While you make some valid points, and I must admit there is a ton of evidence that supports your theory, I must say a lot of it is only circumstantial. I'm not trying to discredit your theory, but I'm going to remain on the side of caution and not expect either outcome. They've done such a good job keeping his role in the film secret that I honestly don't know WHAT to believe.

Though I will give a small cheer if/when he shows up at the final battle... I'll cheer twice if he decapitates a Sentinel :cool:

:up: The fence is a nice place :p

[Redd_Angel]

wow! :up: i call that dedication! good job

[CrypticOne]

Good post, good read. I completely agree with you. That emotional scene in X1 between Professor X and Cyclops, proves to me that Cyclops will most likely survive.

We need to have more posts like this.

[cyke93]

very nice summary .. thought i wish i could believe scott lives i am not on the same boat as you.. it will take me a while to respond to many of your comments.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

*standing ovation*

I feel that you left out one key piece of evidence though. And that is, in the Premiere article about X-Men 3, James Marsden mentions the Pavlovian response he has to wearing the uniform... "Ah yes, THIS discomfort"

I highly doubt that James would be talking about PROMO SHOOTS when he's talking about the experience of filming the movie.

My theory:

Cyclops blasts out at the lake, in anger over the fact that the flooding waters are what killed Jean Grey. She happens to rise though... they share an intimate reunion, in which she does control his optic blasts so she can see his eyes, and they kiss. However, her new found powers begin to corrupt her, and she erupts in a violent outburst that knocks the 2 of them out. When Storm and Wolverine arrive at the lake, both Cyclops and Jean are found (we just don't see Cyclops in the trailer), and taken back to the mansion. Cyclops' glasses would be found, because an unconcious Cyclops wouldn't need the glasses to hold back his optic blasts... his eyes would be closed.

Jean's newfound powers allow her to awaken at the mansion before Cyclops. A mind read by Xavier reveals the truth behind her powers:

When Jean was first found by Xavier, he realized how powerful she could be. He put the mental blocks in her mind to prevent her from becoming so powerful. However, Magneto's machine, which appeared to have no effect on mutants, actually did have an effect on Jean Grey by destroying the mental blocks. This is why we see her evolution of her powers in X2. Her new found powers were able to keep her protected while she was underwater underneath Alkali Lake, until she finally awoke.

Now, without the mental blocks, she has powers stronger than anything she has ever known before... and with that comes a corruption; she has the potential for absolute power, and that potential is corrupting her mind. Not totally corrupted yet, she fears what damage she can cause by her newfound powers, and wants Wolverine to kill her, despite his pleas with her to let them help her. And then the corruption once again comes over her, she slams Wolverine against the wall telekinetically, and storms out of the mansion, going back to her childhood home.

She learns about the cure, and realizes that it is the one thing that can prevent her from having her absolute power. She sides with Magneto, who she knows will take an active stand against the cure, unlike Xavier who will try to work out the situation diplomatically. She has no interest in the well-being of mutants, her only care is to keep her power. After learning about the blocks Xavier put in, an action taken to keep her from reaching her full power, she kills him. Her and Magneto go off with the Brotherhood, with a plan to destroy this cure.

When the X-Men plan to go to Alcatraz to stop the Brotherhood, they tell Scott to stay behind. Their reasoning; after being knocked out by such an attack from Jean Grey, he is in no physical shape to take part in such a large scale battle. Nor is he emotionally capable of taking part in this battle, in which he will have to fight against the woman that he loves, the woman that he lost, the woman he saw rise from the dead, only to be lost to the corruption of her own power.

The X-Men, now led by Storm, take the Blackbird to Alcatraz to confront the Brotherhood. However, Cyclops is not about to give up, not on himself, not on his team, and especially not on the woman he loves.

He has Angel (who told the X-Men where the secret lab was that was developing the cure, afterall, he'd know) take him to Alcatraz. Rogue, who has finally made a decision on her mutancy, goes along with Cyclops, ready to finally make a stand, and accept who she is.

In typical movie fashion, Cyclops and the reinforcements arrive just in the nick of time, when the tide of the battle has turned against the X-Men (I imagine this change in tide being Sentinels, but that's for another thread). Cyclops takes command of the X-Men and leads his team into a victory in this battle, and in the end, when it's just the X-Men and Phoenix left, Cyclops reaches out to Jean, in a way he hadn't had an oppourtunity to yet, and in a way that Wolverine never could. He touches Jean (emotionally, not physically), and her deep, undying love for Scott, and his for her, becomes stronger than the corruption of the Phoenix. Perhaps it is even his reaching to Jean, and bringing her back from her corruption, that is what leads the X-Men to victory, as she uses her powers for those that she loves, instead of for her own gain, and she destroys that ultimate threat (whether it be some Sentinels, or a deranged Magneto, or whatever), and it is because of Cyclops' love for Jean Grey that she returns to herself, and the X-Men save the day.

That's how I'd like to see it done, and though it might not play out exactly like that, I have a feeling it will play out similar to that. And if it is anything like what I've posted here, then there is no doubt that this will have been the best movie of the series, runtime be damned.

But one way or another, I agree with you, that Cyclops does live, does take part in the final battle, and is the determining factor is Jean's return from the Phoenix.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And man! I said the exact same thing like, a month ago man! Did everyone forget already?! :(

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

Great post, and a great point!

[The Original Bamfer]

And man! I said the exact same thing like, a month ago man! Did everyone forget already?! :(

Sorry - I don't recall it. I'm sure it was awesome, none-the-less! And thanks for the quote... I forgot that one. :up:

[cyke93]

you make certain good points while some i doubt. im not trying to prove either way he lives or dies, no one knows for sure and we'll all find out once someone leaks the information by watching the actual movie. with that said:

as far as cyclops getting kidnapped, i do not think they would do that simply because they did that in x2, which leads into why they would make cyclops dead only for him to be really alive.

plus it makes no sense to shelve his character off for the entire movie only to see him in the end, like i said its been done in x2 and i dont know why they would want to do a repeat. it would seem plainly obvious that they really just needed to push him off to the side

changes to the script are just that .. but major plot points still hold true. scott still goes to alkali lake, while filming they could've easily changed their mind and say do this instead of that ,kiss with your glasses off, etc.

with the promotional pictures of cyclops in uniform, i have no doubt we will see him in uniform, but then again this could be in the beg. of the film, when we know he's still around. unless we see an actual pic of cyclops in uniform from the movie and we can clearly tell that it was after alkali lake then thats the solid proof we've all been waiting for.

i agree that since the 3rd act was never released, we do not know how it'll end. will there be surprises? probably, as far as cyclops is concenred? maybe not mayb so..

"full circle" - cyclops running the school after xavier "dies" is a nice thought but i doubt it. storm could also take up helm and we could always bank on them to focus on wolverine, at the end of x2, we saw him make the commitment to the xmen, x3 could see him fulfill it by stasying full time at the school

the other things are more studio politics, which in this day of age, constitutes to a lot of decisions made by the studio/writers etc. basically singer left, marsden joined up to superman, fox managed to get ashmore to not do superman .. so lets just say that marsden was already in a tight situation and killing him off was the easiest thing to do given the whole deal with superman and not having enough time

and who's not to say we dont see cyclops and jean meet on the "astral plane" or in her head. this is a theory i came up with and it seems to be the easiest fix to get cyclops back on screen with out actually bringing his character back to life. he would be the voice of good within jean and would fulfill his comic book duties as being jean's most avid supporter.

but basically.. we still have to wait till may 26. just dont come in with too much expectations from cyclops character, dead or alive .. and if he comes out doing more than dying then ill be somewhat happy ... or rather not as pissed as i could've been hehe.

[Halcohol]

*standing ovation*

Sit down, Nell. :p

No, you've made the same points repeatedly, and while your posts are a tad more verbose but still intriguing to read, you've gotta give the props to TOB for putting up pictures and big bold letters ;)

[LEX]

Great thread and great post. :up: Cyclops must live!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sit down, Nell. :p

No, you've made the same points repeatedly, and while your posts are a tad more verbose but still intriguing to read, you've gotta give the props to TOB for putting up pictures and big bold letters ;)

Oh, I give him his props. Did you just not tell me to sit down? It's cuz I was standing and cheering.

My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

[muscaremy]

good read bamf... and i gotta say it makes a lot a sense but dunno what i think is gonna actually happen

[Halcohol]

Oh, I give him his props. Did you just not tell me to sit down? It's cuz I was standing and cheering.

My comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
Neither was mine ;) Let the joyous banter continue forever. FOREVER, I SAY!

[the_scream]

you make certain good points while some i doubt. im not trying to prove either way he lives or dies, no one knows for sure and we'll all find out once someone leaks the information by watching the actual movie. with that said:

as far as cyclops getting kidnapped, i do not think they would do that simply because they did that in x2, which leads into why they would make cyclops dead only for him to be really alive.

plus it makes no sense to shelve his character off for the entire movie only to see him in the end, like i said its been done in x2 and i dont know why they would want to do a repeat. it would seem plainly obvious that they really just needed to push him off to the side

changes to the script are just that .. but major plot points still hold true. scott still goes to alkali lake, while filming they could've easily changed their mind and say do this instead of that ,kiss with your glasses off, etc.

with the promotional pictures of cyclops in uniform, i have no doubt we will see him in uniform, but then again this could be in the beg. of the film, when we know he's still around. unless we see an actual pic of cyclops in uniform from the movie and we can clearly tell that it was after alkali lake then thats the solid proof we've all been waiting for.

i agree that since the 3rd act was never released, we do not know how it'll end. will there be surprises? probably, as far as cyclops is concenred? maybe not mayb so..

"full circle" - cyclops running the school after xavier "dies" is a nice thought but i doubt it. storm could also take up helm and we could always bank on them to focus on wolverine, at the end of x2, we saw him make the commitment to the xmen, x3 could see him fulfill it by stasying full time at the school

the other things are more studio politics, which in this day of age, constitutes to a lot of decisions made by the studio/writers etc. basically singer left, marsden joined up to superman, fox managed to get ashmore to not do superman .. so lets just say that marsden was already in a tight situation and killing him off was the easiest thing to do given the whole deal with superman and not having enough time

and who's not to say we dont see cyclops and jean meet on the "astral plane" or in her head. this is a theory i came up with and it seems to be the easiest fix to get cyclops back on screen with out actually bringing his character back to life. he would be the voice of good within jean and would fulfill his comic book duties as being jean's most avid supporter.

but basically.. we still have to wait till may 26. just dont come in with too much expectations from cyclops character, dead or alive .. and if he comes out doing more than dying then ill be somewhat happy ... or rather not as pissed as i could've been hehe.

Good post. I think you have summed it up a lot better.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

you make certain good points while some i doubt. im not trying to prove either way he lives or dies, no one knows for sure and we'll all find out once someone leaks the information by watching the actual movie. with that said:

as far as cyclops getting kidnapped, i do not think they would do that simply because they did that in x2, which leads into why they would make cyclops dead only for him to be really alive.

plus it makes no sense to shelve his character off for the entire movie only to see him in the end, like i said its been done in x2 and i dont know why they would want to do a repeat. it would seem plainly obvious that they really just needed to push him off to the side

changes to the script are just that .. but major plot points still hold true. scott still goes to alkali lake, while filming they could've easily changed their mind and say do this instead of that ,kiss with your glasses off, etc.

with the promotional pictures of cyclops in uniform, i have no doubt we will see him in uniform, but then again this could be in the beg. of the film, when we know he's still around. unless we see an actual pic of cyclops in uniform from the movie and we can clearly tell that it was after alkali lake then thats the solid proof we've all been waiting for.

i agree that since the 3rd act was never released, we do not know how it'll end. will there be surprises? probably, as far as cyclops is concenred? maybe not mayb so..

"full circle" - cyclops running the school after xavier "dies" is a nice thought but i doubt it. storm could also take up helm and we could always bank on them to focus on wolverine, at the end of x2, we saw him make the commitment to the xmen, x3 could see him fulfill it by stasying full time at the school

the other things are more studio politics, which in this day of age, constitutes to a lot of decisions made by the studio/writers etc. basically singer left, marsden joined up to superman, fox managed to get ashmore to not do superman .. so lets just say that marsden was already in a tight situation and killing him off was the easiest thing to do given the whole deal with superman and not having enough time

and who's not to say we dont see cyclops and jean meet on the "astral plane" or in her head. this is a theory i came up with and it seems to be the easiest fix to get cyclops back on screen with out actually bringing his character back to life. he would be the voice of good within jean and would fulfill his comic book duties as being jean's most avid supporter.

but basically.. we still have to wait till may 26. just dont come in with too much expectations from cyclops character, dead or alive .. and if he comes out doing more than dying then ill be somewhat happy ... or rather not as pissed as i could've been hehe.

How's this for a big change:

-The 3rd act has been completely reworked. The Golden Gate Bridge sequence, which was originally going to be Magneto breaking out captive mutants for his Brotherhood, is now an assault against the cure-lab in the 3rd act.

-The main human villian has been changed from Warren Worthington, Jr. to somebody else. Most likely General Trask. A character who was never even in the original DRAFT that was reviewed by AICN.

Those are some pretty big changes. So um, why can't the fate of Cyclops be one of them? You guys have to remember, what was reviewed by AICN, was not a set in stone, final script. It was an early draft, so the studio could get an idea of what they'd need to shell out for this movie. For budgeting and stuff. Major changes have been made since then.

And I've stated it before, the reason why the Alkali Lake scene seems so familiar to the AICN review is because that scene, since the beginning, has been influenced from a page directly out of the comics. Even changing it around so Cyclops doesn't die, the scene is still going to play out pretty much the way it was originally supposed to. Because it's inspired directly from the comics.

And when exactly would Cyclops wear the uniform in the beginning? The uniforms are only worn when the X-Men are on assignment. And we know he's not in the Danger Room, because he's not with the group of X-Men who are walking to the Danger Room in the trailers. He'll most likely have left for Alkali Lake by then.

The conflict that the X-Men will face, when they would suit up, will be at the end of the film. And the fact that he suits up (as Marsden states that he did) is pretty reassuring to the fact that he will be a part of the final battle. Which means he won't be dead...

And I suppose it's an option, but in my opinion, it's just bad storytelling to have Jean Grey kill him, then "remolecularize" him later. First of all (I suppose I could be wrong, seeing as though I'm not a comic expert), I never remember Jean having powers to resurrect others. But maybe she does. But even if she does in the comics, it's just bad storytelling in the movies to just have her resurrect him at the end of the movie. It takes away what makes her character unique... her sacrifice, and then coming back later as the Phoenix. If everyone gets resurrected, it will be corny. Her resurrection won't be special, when everyone else gets resurrected. And why wouldn't she just resurrect everyone else, as well? Like Xavier? And even Magneto? Sure, they are enemies, but they don't hate him enough to wish death upon him. And even though they may be enemies, Magneto is still Xavier's friend.

It just wouldn't be good storytelling. You can get away with stuff like that in the comics, but it's just dumb in the movies, and would really kill the whole "realistic" vibe they are going for.

It's also bad storytelling, because you have to assume that if she resurrects Cyclops, that she is not longer corrupted by the Phoenix. And if she's good, surely the battle would be over, seeing as though she could use her powers to destroy whatever threats to the X-Men exist. And if Cyclops died at Alkali Lake, not in his uniform, why would he be resurrected, in his uniform?

So, therefore, that leads me to believe even further that Cyclops will never die at Alkali Lake. These writers, and the director, have made it really clear that they are striving to keep the realistic tone set by Bryan Singer. I doubt that they'd kill it by including a bunch of cheesy resurrections. And if you look at the context a resurrection would happen in, it just wouldn't make sense.

[PWN3R]

Excellent post TOB. You deserve more than a cookie. ;)


I agree with everything, except Cyclops being kidnapped. They did that in X2, if he fell for the same trick twice, that would make the movie Cyke lame. :(

[JP]

Meh.. Cyclops will die. So will Xavier and Jean. Mystique will get cured, and if certain pictures are accurate, so will Magneto. All of this and more in only 1h43!! :)

Whee! :(

[cyke93]

How's this for a big change:

-The 3rd act has been completely reworked. The Golden Gate Bridge sequence, which was originally going to be Magneto breaking out captive mutants for his Brotherhood, is now an assault against the cure-lab in the 3rd act.

-The main human villian has been changed from Warren Worthington, Jr. to somebody else. Most likely General Trask. A character who was never even in the original DRAFT that was reviewed by AICN.

Those are some pretty big changes. So um, why can't the fate of Cyclops be one of them? You guys have to remember, what was reviewed by AICN, was not a set in stone, final script. It was an early draft, so the studio could get an idea of what they'd need to shell out for this movie. For budgeting and stuff. Major changes have been made since then.

And I've stated it before, the reason why the Alkali Lake scene seems so familiar to the AICN review is because that scene, since the beginning, has been influenced from a page directly out of the comics. Even changing it around so Cyclops doesn't die, the scene is still going to play out pretty much the way it was originally supposed to. Because it's inspired directly from the comics.


id like to comment on your post but i saw some key words there and lets face it, i dont want to be spoiled even more than i have been, im sticking strictly to cyclops, once i know he lives or dies for sure then im out of here until i watch the movie .. but just the feeling i got from your post, ok fine they bring cyclops back for the 3rd act and we're all supposed to be shocked to see him back alive, i dont kow if they're going to do this, this isn't 24 when they completely do a complete flip around every 4-6 episodes (24 fans u know what im talking about, esp during this season! hehe) .. but the problem is what does he do if he comes back for the final act or battle? i dont want to count injury because thats more of wolverines thing. logan can get seriously hurt and they can shelve him off till the end of the movie because its his power, but if cyclops is injured, it just seems too much perfect timing for him to be coming back.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

id like to comment on your post but i saw some key words there and lets face it, i dont want to be spoiled even more than i have been, im sticking strictly to cyclops, once i know he lives or dies for sure then im out of here until i watch the movie .. but just the feeling i got from your post, ok fine they bring cyclops back for the 3rd act and we're all supposed to be shocked to see him back alive, i dont kow if they're going to do this, this isn't 24 when they completely do a complete flip around every 4-6 episodes (24 fans u know what im talking about, esp during this season! hehe) .. but the problem is what does he do if he comes back for the final act or battle? i dont want to count injury because thats more of wolverines thing. logan can get seriously hurt and they can shelve him off till the end of the movie because its his power, but if cyclops is injured, it just seems too much perfect timing for him to be coming back.

But that would show how much of a leader he is. And how devoted he is to Xavier's dream, and the people that he loves, including Jean.

I'm not saying that he's magically healed of his injuries, and then he goes into battle.

I'm saying he goes into battle despite it. Despite the emotional wreck he is in, after watching the woman he loves die, resurrect, become corrupted, and become his enemy. Despite the physical state he'd be in from the blast he would have taken at the hand of said woman. Despite all that, it would show just how devoted he is. And just how strong he is. That he refuses to give up on Jean Grey, even when everyone thinks the only solution left is to destroy her. He will still go out and fight with all that he's got to bring her back.

With all the *****ing people have made about how lame Cyclops is in the movies (and that is a statement I disagree with 100%), don't you think that this would be the payoff? His determination to fight for Xavier's dream, his determination to fight for the love of his life, no matter the cost?

I dunno about you, but if I were a Cyclops fan (and I am, he's just not quite my favorite character, but he's up there), and that's what his role was in this movie, the final movie of the trilogy, the overall climax to the saga, I'd be pretty damned ****ing satisfied. I'd be more than satisfied. I'd walk out of the theatre thinking "Holy ****, they really did a good job with Cyclops!"

[cyke93]

But that would show how much of a leader he is. And how devoted he is to Xavier's dream, and the people that he loves, including Jean.

I'm not saying that he's magically healed of his injuries, and then he goes into battle.

I'm saying he goes into battle despite it. Despite the emotional wreck he is in, after watching the woman he loves die, resurrect, become corrupted, and become his enemy. Despite the physical state he'd be in from the blast he would have taken at the hand of said woman. Despite all that, it would show just how devoted he is. And just how strong he is. That he refuses to give up on Jean Grey, even when everyone thinks the only solution left is to destroy her. He will still go out and fight with all that he's got to bring her back.

With all the *****ing people have made about how lame Cyclops is in the movies (and that is a statement I disagree with 100%), don't you think that this would be the payoff? His determination to fight for Xavier's dream, his determination to fight for the love of his life, no matter the cost?

I dunno about you, but if I were a Cyclops fan (and I am, he's just not quite my favorite character, but he's up there), and that's what his role was in this movie, the final movie of the trilogy, the overall climax to the saga, I'd be pretty damned ****ing satisfied. I'd be more than satisfied. I'd walk out of the theatre thinking "Holy ****, they really did a good job with Cyclops!"

alright ill entertain the idea of cyclops living for the final act and that this whole AICN was for nothing. I think we can all pretty much agree that cyclops will get the same if not (probably) less time than he did in x2. (especailly due to his scheduling and the fact that x3 is much shorter than x2 and it has even more characters)

ok with that said: id still feel cheated, not mostly for the fact of screen time because there are other characters but we dont see him lead or do anything (except with jean). in x1, they did a decent job in retrospect, cyclops was not a major player but he was there you know. with a movie that deals with phoenix, there should be no question about cyclops taking a prominent role, but look where we are .. debating if he gets to live or not, goes into the final battle etc. its' really kind of sad. for an original character of the x-men, who's been there since the first movie, to have him shelved in x2 and with his most prominent storyline in x3, also being pushed off to the side .. thats not right and i think thats y many people have been so vocal about his "Death".

i am not saying that your arguments pointing to his "non-death" aren't valid but i feel the evidence pointing to his death weighs, more given everything going onaround his character. so i hope you are right, but like i said before im not expecting much.

i will say that at least going into this forum and seeing this many cyclops fans has made me feel better. i've always been a cyke fan since the cartoons on fox and believe me i was hte only one in school who felt that way and it was hard to find fellow cyclops fans .. so thank you all. when we get screwed next month, at least we could turn to each other for support :joker: hehehe.

[Mr. Vice]

:D This thread reminds me of the LOST forums

[Seen]

Meh.. Cyclops will die. So will Xavier and Jean. Mystique will get cured, and if certain pictures are accurate, so will Magneto. All of this and more in only 1h43!! :)

Whee! :(

Welcome to our newest rollercoaster, X-Men: Coaster of Death starring Scott Summers, Charles Xavier and Jean Grey. Who will die? Will all of them die? Just hop on board and find out.

[Pyrox]

:D This thread reminds me of the LOST forums
Cyclops is in the Hatch! :eek:
Um, anyway, I'd definatly agree that there's evidence that he could survive,
and I'd love to be assured by that...but I still can't say that I personaly believe one fate more then the other,
at least not at this point. Great post though! :up:

[GothicPowerMix1]

Callisto and a few others were there at Alkali Lake when Jean rose? That could be a reasonable explanation for the violent happenings in the scene during the trailers. Psylocke is also given the possible role of creating an illusion to fool Jean into believing Scott is dead (much like what happened in the Comics).

Now that would be cool. Sounds very much like what Magneto would & bam Cyclops pops up Jean finds out Magneto tricked her she joins the X-Men

[berzerko89]

Callisto and a few others were there at Alkali Lake when Jean rose? That could be a reasonable explanation for the violent happenings in the scene during the trailers. Psylocke is also given the possible role of creating an illusion to fool Jean into believing Scott is dead (much like what happened in the Comics).

Now that would be cool. Sounds very much like what Magneto would & bam Cyclops pops up Jean finds out Magneto tricked her she joins the X-Men

i suppose they hid cyclops in a magic treasure box? right? lol. ;);p

[cyke93]

Callisto and a few others were there at Alkali Lake when Jean rose? That could be a reasonable explanation for the violent happenings in the scene during the trailers. Psylocke is also given the possible role of creating an illusion to fool Jean into believing Scott is dead (much like what happened in the Comics).

Now that would be cool. Sounds very much like what Magneto would & bam Cyclops pops up Jean finds out Magneto tricked her she joins the X-Men

well im all gung ho for that idea .. but hey thats giving me hope.. boo hheheeh. .

[cyke93]

they'll make them think that jean killed scott and then they really kill scott themselves so just when we thought he lives, he really doesnt haha

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Why exactly would anyone be there?

Magneto doesn't know what happened to Jean at the lake. He was long gone with Pyro by then.

And Callisto and Psylocke are just gonna randomly be there? Then they are gonna go running to Magneto, who they've never met, about a mutant more powerful than him, with an unconcious Cyclops in hand as a gift of good will?

I really don't think so. It would make no sense to have anyone else there.

[cyke93]

lets say that this does happen, they trick jean into thinking she killed scott.. and then they really capture scott.. then i hope that we;ll get to see some prisoner abuse here .. im talking about jack bristow/bauer type interogation here. .. they missed that opportunity to show cyclops prisoner in x2, if they're reusing the same idea, then they might as well do it right.

[GothicPowerMix1]

And Callisto and Psylocke are just gonna randomly be there?.

Well we dont know what order these Scenes take place in & hell its happened before with Mutants showing up magically in odd places :o

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

lets say that this does happen, they trick jean into thinking she killed scott.. and then they really capture scott.. then i hope that we;ll get to see some prisoner abuse here .. im talking about jack bristow/bauer type interogation here. .. they missed that opportunity to show cyclops prisoner in x2, if they're reusing the same idea, then they might as well do it right.

But I reiterate, why would anyone be there?

Magneto doesn't know Jean died, and surely he doesn't know she's rising. He had already left by the time she died.

And it wouldn't make sense to just have new characters Callisto and Psylocke show up, who've had no prior connection to these characters at all, and feel the need to trick Jean, so that she can join a faction they haven't even met yet, and kidnap Cyclops to hold as prisoner for whatever unknown reason.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well we dont know what order these Scenes take place in & hell its happened before with Mutants showing up magically in odd places :o

In comics... this is the movies which are more realistic, and don't rely as heavily on mere convenience.

[GothicPowerMix1]

In comics... this is the movies which are more realistic, and don't rely as heavily on mere convenience.

That was Singer
This is Ratner :up:

[cyke93]

But I reiterate, why would anyone be there?


im with you on this though, it makes no sense .. evenif they knew jean died, how would they magically know that all this stuff about using her against the x-men..

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That was Singer
This is Ratner :up:

Ratner, who isn't deviating from the tone established by Bryan Singer...

And you put a thumbs up by Ratner's name, implying you'd be GLAD that they used really lame, no sense making, plot events, that are there just for the sake of moving the plot forward, even though the events themselves actually make no logical sense whatsoever?!

[GothicPowerMix1]

I like Ratner & we dont know anything with how this Movie is set up. Why cant you just wait & see the Movie before judging him ? Is it that hard for some People ?

[TNC9852002]

It is official that more mutants will help the X-men than what is seen (Storm, Wolverine, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus and Beast).

QUE?!

-TNC

[PWN3R]

Yeah when was it official!?!

[Halcohol]

I think TOB's just referring to the massive number of cameos, plus the rumours of Multiple Man and/or Psylocke switching sides... I think it's one of those "unofficially official" things

[LEX]

More mutants? Official? What?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I like Ratner & we dont know anything with how this Movie is set up. Why cant you just wait & see the Movie before judging him ? Is it that hard for some People ?

Um, I support Ratner, I think this is gonna be the best movie yet.

But when I said that this film has a sense of reality, you said this was Ratner, not Singer, in defense of a not so realistic vision. Which would be lame, to have random mutants randomly appearing in places they'd have no reason to appear to kidnap someone they'd have no reason to kidnap, and manipulate someone they'd have no reason to manipulate, just for the sake of kidnapping and manipulating people.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Um, I support Ratner, I think this is gonna be the best movie yet.

But when I said that this film has a sense of reality, you said this was Ratner, not Singer, in defense of a not so realistic vision. Which would be lame, to have random mutants randomly appearing in places they'd have no reason to appear to kidnap someone they'd have no reason to kidnap, and manipulate someone they'd have no reason to manipulate, just for the sake of kidnapping and manipulating people.

no reason to kid nap someone ? That reason would be is so Magneto can trick Jean Grey & get one POWERFUL Mutant on his side

no reason to manipulate someone ? Like I said Magneto would have a chance to get one Powerful Mutant on his side

That seems reason enough alone if you ask me

[TNC9852002]

I think TOB's just referring to the massive number of cameos, plus the rumours of Multiple Man and/or Psylocke switching sides... I think it's one of those "unofficially official" things
I know, but TOB was giving me the idea that it was "official" that there would be more mutants helping them in the finale....

-TNC

[ILuvCyclops]

Great points made here, a lot of evidence pointing to Cyclops living to the end of the movie.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

no reason to kid nap someone ? That reason would be is so Magneto can trick Jean Grey & get one POWERFUL Mutant on his side

no reason to manipulate someone ? Like I said Magneto would have a chance to get one Powerful Mutant on his side

That seems reason enough alone if you ask me

Except that Magneto wouldn't know that Jean Grey was dead. And even if he did, how would he have the slightest idea that she'd actually come back from the dead, and know the exact time, 8 months later?

Go back and watch X2 again. You'll see that Magneto left with Mystique and Pyro before Jean was "killed" by the flooding waters.

And why would Callisto and Psylocke be working for Magneto? They wouldn't even know Magneto yet. So they'd have no idea he'd even be interested in this mutant, and where to find her, because they'd have no idea who Magneto even is.

[Spidey 2007]

Except that Magneto wouldn't know that Jean Grey was dead. And even if he did, how would he have the slightest idea that she'd actually come back from the dead, and know the exact time, 8 months later?

Go back and watch X2 again. You'll see that Magneto left with Mystique and Pyro before Jean was "killed" by the flooding waters.

And why would Callisto and Psylocke be working for Magneto? They wouldn't even know Magneto yet. So they'd have no idea he'd even be interested in this mutant, and where to find her, because they'd have no idea who Magneto even is.

theres another good point, i wonder if they payed attention enough to the fact magz left!! pfft i never even thought about it! hmmmmm


lol at this thread, crazy stuff:up:

[LEX]

It's been eight to a year since X2. Maybe Magneto would've had someone to spy on the X-Men and found out that Jean is dead.

[Retroman]

Nice thread. :up:
I have a feeling Cyclops will live and go in to battle but will he survive the battle?Hmmm...

[WideAwake]

Great thread, The Original Bamfer!

Nell2ThaIzzay, I like your theory.
I agree that it was Magneto's machine that triggered Jean's evolution. The machine "appeared" to have no effect on mutants, but as Xavier said in X1, "every 100 millennia, evolution leaps forward". I always thought that because of Magneto's machine, Jean's evolution leaped forward, which is why she repeated Xavier's opening monologue from X1.

I also thought about a possible relation between Jean's powers and the cure. Yours does make a lot of sense, but there could be more to it: Jean has never been a particularly power hungry person, and to have her suddenly freak out over having not enough power doesn't seem to be in her character: there should be more behind Jean's change to Dark Phoenix.

And why couldn't Callisto be at the lake when Jean rises? From the trailer, it seems that she is the one who informs Magneto about Phoenix.
Maybe she was after Scott, after all, every scene is based on something from the comics, and the Morlocks did try to get Scott to join them, didn't they?

[chamber-music]

it would suck if Scott was not the one to save Jean at the end and it was wolverine or storm. Their relationship needs to be addressed.

[CapBeerCino]

The Rumors, The Facts, The Speculation: Cyclops



Great post :up: Sums up all I've been thought since May 2005. :D

[Avalanche]

This is why I believe he lives - the proof.
Not proof. :p Speculation from hints.
As for whether he dies, I don't think at this stage we can prove it either way. It will remain a hot topic until the film is released.

[Avalanche]

Except that Magneto wouldn't know that Jean Grey was dead. And even if he did, how would he have the slightest idea that she'd actually come back from the dead, and know the exact time, 8 months later?

Go back and watch X2 again. You'll see that Magneto left with Mystique and Pyro before Jean was "killed" by the flooding waters.
Magneto would surely have heard on the grapevine about the death of Jean. He has ways of knowing things he shouldn't, namely Mystique.

And why would Callisto and Psylocke be working for Magneto? They wouldn't even know Magneto yet. So they'd have no idea he'd even be interested in this mutant, and where to find her, because they'd have no idea who Magneto even is.
They'd have no idea who Magneto is? What's to say Magneto isn't very much acknowledged as a mutant terrorist. It's entirely possible the public know of his actions and thus any mutants too.

[Aiden]

I know, but TOB was giving me the idea that it was "official" that there would be more mutants helping them in the finale....

-TNCI thought Kinberg said that more mutants would come?

Anyways, excellent post TOB. Wonderful

[Spidey 2007]

Great thread, The Original Bamfer!

Nell2ThaIzzay, I like your theory.
I agree that it was Magneto's machine that triggered Jean's evolution. The machine "appeared" to have no effect on mutants, but as Xavier said in X1, "every 100 millennia, evolution leaps forward". I always thought that because of Magneto's machine, Jean's evolution leaped forward, which is why she repeated Xavier's opening monologue from X1.

I also thought about a possible relation between Jean's powers and the cure. Yours does make a lot of sense, but there could be more to it: Jean has never been a particularly power hungry person, and to have her suddenly freak out over having not enough power doesn't seem to be in her character: there should be more behind Jean's change to Dark Phoenix.

And why couldn't Callisto be at the lake when Jean rises? From the trailer, it seems that she is the one who informs Magneto about Phoenix.
Maybe she was after Scott, after all, every scene is based on something from the comics, and the Morlocks did try to get Scott to join them, didn't they?

hmmm i dont think xaviers speech at the opening of X1 is meant to focus on jean, i think it focuses on The mutant population and growth among the mutants in the world.....and that they will probably becaeom the domenant species....evolution of humans, ya know. then jean had the vioce over at the end of x2 to represent herself as an example of this type of evolution or something.


i ahve no clue whats going to be said in X3 and i cant wait to hear it!:up:

[The Batman]

nice essay, but i still think he'll die, especially after hearing about how wolverine and jean will take it to the next level, and the news that this movie will be an hour and 43 minutes.

[berzerko89]

nice essay, but i still think he'll die, especially after hearing about how wolverine and jean will take it to the next level, and the news that this movie will be an hour and 43 minutes.

dont you think its a little be absurd to kill one of the major x-men character s from the x-men universe??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

if cyclops is dead, that would totally su*k! :down

[oneteen]

I love this thread. People here actually have hope. :)
My reasoning for how Cyke lives is that if you go up to a regular movie junkie and tell them that Cyclops dies their initial reaction is "why?" or "How come?". So if the general audience feels confusion about that idea, why would FOX allow it? This is the FINAL X-men movie. Everything is supposed to come clear by the end. Not have Cyclops-who is the leader of the x-men-laying in a grave.

[invincible mann]

i will judge it when the film is released
i dont know what cykes fate is
but whatever it is
i just go in remembering marsden had limited time to work with
because he was doing 2 films
there is no way he could be the center of the film as wolverine is
he had no time
personally i am glad he is in both films
as long as the first shot we get before credits isnt his death
i am willing to give the filmmakers the benefit of the doubt

[josh8]

nice post TOB. but you should have left it as rumors, facts, and speculation and not claimed it to be proof that cyke lives.

anyways, i do think that cyke lives, but i still think the demolecularization happens. to me, all the evidence still points to it. if he were only injured and found near jean, i think he'd be in the same med-lab room as as her in the mansion (if not right next to her).

the argument that "the script has changed!" just isnt strong enough for me. the scene is obviously still in the movie, in some incarnation. if i were to ask everyone "do you think that scene where jean and prof have a psychic battle was still in the movie?", i think most would conclude that it's still in there and has the same outcome as in the script review. yet when it comes to this scene, everyone is in denial and hides behind "the script has chaged". i think the scene plays out a little differently, but still with the same outcome. i think the changes that have been made are to lengthen jean and cyke's interaction and to also have the scene end with jean incapacitated so as to easily explain her confusion as to what happened.

my theory on cyke's return is kinda weak (haha), but i think something clicks in jean's head when she's going all crazy and she brings cyke back. something like she calls out to him with her mind and since she's so powerful, she brings him together again. i dunno, something like that. i'm sure the writers wont disappoint us.

i dont think the writers ever had the intention of killing cyke off permanently, hence the mysterious demoleculariztion (no body). the AICN reviewer was obviously just being too hasty in passing judgment. no third act!!! that's all i have to say about that.

[WideAwake]

hmmm i dont think xaviers speech at the opening of X1 is meant to focus on jean, i think it focuses on The mutant population and growth among the mutants in the world.....and that they will probably becaeom the domenant species....evolution of humans, ya know. then jean had the vioce over at the end of x2 to represent herself as an example of this type of evolution or something.

That's what I meant, Spidey ;)

[cyke93]

nice post TOB. but you should have left it as rumors, facts, and speculation and not claimed it to be proof that cyke lives.

anyways, i do think that cyke lives, but i still think the demolecularization happens. to me, all the evidence still points to it. if he were only injured and found near jean, i think he'd be in the same med-lab room as as her in the mansion (if not right next to her).

the argument that "the script has changed!" just isnt strong enough for me. the scene is obviously still in the movie, in some incarnation. if i were to ask everyone "do you think that scene where jean and prof have a psychic battle was still in the movie?", i think most would conclude that it's still in there and has the same outcome as in the script review. yet when it comes to this scene, everyone is in denial and hides behind "the script has chaged". i think the scene plays out a little differently, but still with the same outcome. i think the changes that have been made are to lengthen jean and cyke's interaction and to also have the scene end with jean incapacitated so as to easily explain her confusion as to what happened.

my theory on cyke's return is kinda weak (haha), but i think something clicks in jean's head when she's going all crazy and she brings cyke back. something like she calls out to him with her mind and since she's so powerful, she brings him together again. i dunno, something like that. i'm sure the writers wont disappoint us.

i dont think the writers ever had the intention of killing cyke off permanently, hence the mysterious demoleculariztion (no body). the AICN reviewer was obviously just being too hasty in passing judgment. no third act!!! that's all i have to say about that.

as time goes on, i have a feeling that dead or alive, cyclops will get screwed in this movie, where he should've shined. if he dies, he dies. that'll suck. and if they bring him back to the end, i think that itll be weak .. we'll be begging for the kind of treatment he got from x2.

no matter what happenes to me, i think many cyclops fans will walk out of the theatre disappointed with the portrayal of his character .

[RagingTempest]

I believe Cyke lives, too:up: !!!

The writers did also say he has a small but pivotal role in the story!!!

[josh8]

no matter what happenes to me, i think many cyclops fans will walk out of the theatre disappointed with the portrayal of his character .

yeah, totally true. x1 and x2 set such a low bar for cyke's character that you'd think x3 could beat it easily. funny how that might not be the case.

however, i do think that simon and zack have a much better understanding of the characters and hopefully in the little time we get to see of cyke, he is finally portrayed as something more than just a loser for "logan-the-great" to pick on.

[lordofthenerds]

Good essay TOB, but I still think that their is some more proof of Cyke dying than you mentioned.
I believe Cyke lives, too:up: !!!

The writers did also say he has a small but pivotal role in the story!!!
Making Jean rise is small yet pivotal. :o

[TNC9852002]

I thought Kinberg said that more mutants would come?
If he ever said that, it must've been a while ago..

Can anyone find something on this?

-TNC

[ginny_weasley]

o wow, I didn't know about the set picture...interesting....

[bluewolv]

So I have a question? If Cyclops fans think he lives then which X-men do they think dies?

[Angamb]

I would like to see more of Cyclops in the next sequels

[cyke93]

http://i9.ebayimg.com/05/i/06/e0/7d/93_1_b.JPGhttp://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/f5/fe/de_1_b.JPGhttp://i21.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/e8/c2/47_1_b.JPG
http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/368/meat3lp.png

i guess we finally have our confirmation... :(

[Aiden]

If he ever said that, it must've been a while ago..

Can anyone find something on this?

-TNCI'll look for it later but I distinctly remember him saying something along those lines

[oneteen]

http://i9.ebayimg.com/05/i/06/e0/7d/93_1_b.JPGhttp://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/f5/fe/de_1_b.JPGhttp://i21.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/e8/c2/47_1_b.JPG
http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/368/meat3lp.png

i guess we finally have our confirmation... :(
Haha...:down

[ginny_weasley]

As much as I'm hoping cyke makes it through this one...that dead!meat thing is pretty funny...:up:

[Slim_X]

http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/368/meat3lp.png

i guess we finally have our confirmation... :(
Lol

[The Original Bamfer]

Promotion Continued

In The Ultimate Summer Movie Preview ’06! Issue of PREMIERE movie magazine, Cyclops actor, James Marsden, talked about getting back into the leather x-suit, saying “It was a Pavlovian response once I got into the suit: ‘Ah yes, this discomfort.’” Most likely meaning that he will show up in the film with the suit on. It does not seem likely he’d comment on the garb used for promotional work. Among the movie-based books being released, is a children’s book titled Meet the X-men. This book had most of the X-men team characters on it apart from Angel, Jean and Cyclops. A preview was given of the book (see picture below) that reveals Scott with the X-men. Oddly enough, Beast is also in the same shot – who is heavily believed to join after Cyclops’s presumed disappearance. If Scott is to die in the movie, wouldn’t they leave him out of the promoting children books, rather than leaving him in?
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7545/iaba0ib.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9644/1ab2ur.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


This was also added into the main post

[The Original Bamfer]

sorry to double post... but...

LIGHTBULB! MORE NOW! :D

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9644/1ab2ur.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Iceman and Storm are wearing the same clothing they wear in the pics and shots where they welcome Leech back to the Mansion! That, in the movie, is what many people believe to be the end! AND! Kitty is wearing the same outfit she wore when Storm comforts her outside!

Could it be that Cyclops is there too, in the movie, at the same point? Also - is that the same outfit Storm wears during the memorial? If so - that confirms its not Scott's.

[Asteroid-Man]

dont we already have a cyclops thread?

[Spidey 2007]

sorry to double post... but...

LIGHTBULB! MORE NOW! :D

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9644/1ab2ur.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Iceman and Storm are wearing the same clothing they wear in the pics and shots where they welcome Leech back to the Mansion! That, in the movie, is what many people believe to be the end! AND! Kitty is wearing the same outfit she wore when Storm comforts her outside!

Could it be that Cyclops is there too, in the movie, at the same point? Also - is that the same outfit Storm wears during the memorial? If so - that confirms its not Scott's.


lol thats so tru...sheesh......geek lol:up:

[taintedFB]

Great job TOB! It's about time someone put all of these points together with the images to back them up.

I winder how long the mods will keep this thread open. We may have to continue this back at the Cyke thread. Heck, there isn't much else to discuss about his character in this film!

I also believe he lives. Woohoo!

[CapBeerCino]

dont we already have a cyclops thread?

It wasnt big enough :o

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

sorry to double post... but...

LIGHTBULB! MORE NOW! :D

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9644/1ab2ur.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Iceman and Storm are wearing the same clothing they wear in the pics and shots where they welcome Leech back to the Mansion! That, in the movie, is what many people believe to be the end! AND! Kitty is wearing the same outfit she wore when Storm comforts her outside!

Could it be that Cyclops is there too, in the movie, at the same point? Also - is that the same outfit Storm wears during the memorial? If so - that confirms its not Scott's.

Well, that isn't the same clothing Storm wore during the memorial... in the memorial she appears to be wearing a skirt, and knee high boots. Here, she's wearing pants.

It appears to be the same clothes she wears during the balcony scene.

But you make a point... if everyone else is wearing their same clothes from those scenes, it could very well be possible that Cyclops is too.

[Redd_Angel]

It wasnt big enough :o

haha :up:

these fox people sure know how to get cyclops fans riled up!

[cyke93]

haha :up:

these fox people sure know how to get cyclops fans riled up!

well they've been perfecting the method for about 6 years now .. hehe

[neemer5]

I think the fact that we know for a fact there will be at least two main character/emotional deaths in X3, it helps the "pro-death" arguments

[The Original Bamfer]

Xavier and Magneto should die - that makes two.

[Eros]

The fact is this thread is redundant. But since i want to play along.

Fact 1-Wolverine will become leader of the X-men in X3 and onwards.
Fact 2-Storm will be his second in command.
Fact 3- Cyclops vansishes, and decides he sucks at being a leader.
Fact3-Xavier kills cyclops at the end of X3
Fact4-Jean and Logan have mental sex.
Fact 4-Cyclops meets emma frost in the underworld.
Fact5-Wolverine becomes an Avenger in the Avenegrs movie due out in 2008.
Fact5-The fantastic 4 make a cameo appearnce.

LOL.

[berzerko89]

that new jean poster is awsome... although i wont go for the tormented powerful thing... the cyclops poster manip is great... made me fall off the chair laughing. lol. ;):p

[the_scream]

dont you think its a little be absurd to kill one of the major x-men character s from the x-men universe??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

if cyclops is dead, that would totally su*k! :down

Of course it does. But remember, these are the guys who were responsible for such hits as: XXX2, Inspector Gadget and Elektra.

[cyke93]

Of course it does. But remember, these are the guys who were responsible for such hits as: XXX2, Inspector Gadget and Elektra.

makes me feel sooo much better heheh lol

[TNC9852002]

Fact4-Jean and Logan have mental sex.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4571/4f39e8d33dcbec862da2d3f5a7c01b.gif

-TNC

[Redd_Angel]

^^^OMG!!!!! lol!!! :p :D

i love how rebecca is so comfortable with wearing nothing but a few prosthetic-plastic things. :)

[Tony Stark]

^^^OMG!!!!! lol!!! :p :D

i love how rebecca is so comfortable with wearing nothing but a few prosthetic-plastic things. :)

Can you immagine the lucky bastards in the makup crew that get to apply the prosthetics?

I'd be all like "Rebecca this glue for the chest pieces has to be applied by hand."

[ginny_weasley]

omg where did you get that gif (or the vid to make it)?! it's great!

[TNC9852002]

Someone posted that here a few months ago...I don't know where or how they got it..lol

-TNC

[ginny_weasley]

don't mind if i snag it then? :O

[Eros]

snag away Ginny weasley snag away.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I winder how long the mods will keep this thread open. We may have to continue this back at the Cyke thread. Heck, there isn't much else to discuss about his character in this film!


Agreed. This thread has quickly become a replica of the general discussion in the main character thread. But I'll allow it for a while to see what direction you guys decide to take with it.

[britrogue]

Gets down on knees to pray - Cyclops must live, Cyclops must live!

[taintedFB]

GOD: If you believe, than you shall have it.

[DarknessOfDeath]

hey FB... do u have any good decent pictures of James that I could make into an avvy?

[taintedFB]

I'm on my work computer right now. I do have some, but most ore Scott Summers...I'll pull out my laptop and see what I've got. Also, try doing image searches on his movies. There are a lot of high res screen caps from Disturbing Behavior and other films he's done as well as promo pics for them... I'll get back to you soon...

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm on my work computer right now. I do have some, but most ore Scott Summers...I'll pull out my laptop and see what I've got. Also, try doing image searches on his movies. There are a lot of high res screen caps from Disturbing Behavior and other films he's done as well as promo pics for them... I'll get back to you soon...

I just want pics of himself. I've no problem searching for Cykes pics...its just James himself thats the problem... gah. Like there's not too many sites dedicated to him. its like he doesn't exist :(

[taintedFB]

Do you need full body, hi res? cause those are hard to come by. I have a nice headshot, half in shadow... very dramatic. Do a search for Gossip, he looked cool in that movie.

[DarknessOfDeath]

just headshots... thats all look at my avvy...notice hugh is looking badass... and he's also smiling. :)

[taintedFB]

Dude, NO! Logan and Jean! FOR SHAME!

[DarknessOfDeath]

wha? :( ... Im I need a shot of James smiling..is that wrong ... he and Famke need an avvy together ... I'm doing a set them with the cast members...

[taintedFB]

ok, I don't know if I have smiles, I usually go for dramatic shots. I'll see what I have...

[eXperiment]

The fact is this thread is redundant. But since i want to play along.

Fact 1-Wolverine will become leader of the X-men in X3 and onwards.
Fact 2-Storm will be his second in command.
Fact 3- Cyclops vansishes, and decides he sucks at being a leader.
Fact3-Xavier kills cyclops at the end of X3
Fact4-Jean and Logan have mental sex.
Fact 4-Cyclops meets emma frost in the underworld.
Fact5-Wolverine becomes an Avenger in the Avenegrs movie due out in 2008.
Fact5-The fantastic 4 make a cameo appearnce.

LOL.

300 posts man. Avatar time Eros. Congratulations!!!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Agreed. This thread has quickly become a replica of the general discussion in the main character thread.

This is exactly why I hate the "official" discussion threads...

This is a good conversation going on, and yet, it's on the verge of just being shoved into the "official" discussion, where it will just be lost in the shuffle.

I really, REALLY hate the idea that ALL discussion of a certain topic must be spoken about in one place, despite the fact that there are numerous different areas that can be touched upon on that topic. When you have a conversation with somebody, you don't start talking about 7 things at one time. Conversations are more focused. They shouldn't be shoved in some "official" thread, just because it's about Cyclops.

This has been a good conversation, one that never could have happened in the Cyclops thread. Yet, because it's about Cyclops, there's talk that it should be merged. :rolleyes:

[JokerNick]

This is exactly why I hate the "official" discussion threads...

This is a good conversation going on, and yet, it's on the verge of just being shoved into the "official" discussion, where it will just be lost in the shuffle.

I really, REALLY hate the idea that ALL discussion of a certain topic must be spoken about in one place, despite the fact that there are numerous different areas that can be touched upon on that topic. When you have a conversation with somebody, you don't start talking about 7 things at one time. Conversations are more focused. They shouldn't be shoved in some "official" thread, just because it's about Cyclops.

This has been a good conversation, one that never could have happened in the Cyclops thread. Yet, because it's about Cyclops, there's talk that it should be merged. :rolleyes:

don't merge them, cyclops thread is about his character on a whole, this one is about rumors, and therefor won't be sidetracked by other cyclops jargon........

[Storm22]

I'm wondering now if we'll actually see Cyclops alone in the DR, in his uniform and visor. Kinberg answered "spoiler" when asked if we'll see more than 1 appearance of the DR. Why didn't he just say no? Hmmm.

[taintedFB]

bump

[MoiBijou]

(entering in Homer's mode) Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... *hot*


:D

[BBraddockLover]

i love the first and second theories on the first page---i love 'em

no offense to the third i dont feel like reading it

i really like the first b/c it uses psylocke in an interesting way

and i like the second b/c it brings rogue into the final battle--plus it would be awesome that fox could keep scott's role in the film so secret!

[taintedFB]

FOX can keep a secret when they want to. NOBODY saw Jean Grey's death coming in X2. I doubt that they will reveal anymore about Cyclops until the film comes out. And I think they've done well with the last two movies, so there's no reason to doubt that X3 will be amazing. And the writers said this movies was made for the established fans and they know how the fans feel about the dark Phoenix and Cyclops.

Cyke fans after X3: Shiny Happy People Holding Hands!

[The Original Bamfer]

I just thought with the new -possibly fake- spoilers about the books and Cyke's death, this may help people with what could actually happen in the movie.

[CapBeerCino]

:up: I dont buy any of the new "spoilers"

[Retroman]

CapBeerCino funny avvy

[psylockolussus]

OKay, DOD, this is all I have on my CPU.

http://www.taintedtv.com/JM.jpg
hot pic, I wish he was hot like that on X3.

[DarknessOfDeath]

hot pic, I wish he was hot like that on X3.

Hmmm yeah... -sighs- Cyclops will live!! :D

[DRob]

After hearing that and checking out all the possible scenarios I feel much more comfortable.

[pt_photo_inc]

man if you went to all of that just to be wrong...... well... more power to you man! I still say until we see the ADULT ADAPTATION, you are just blowing smoke out your ass... but i do appreciate all the time you put into the puff!

[Sunstar]

:up: I dont buy any of the new "spoilers"

CapBeerCino your avvy makes me: ROTFLMAO!:D