How much do you really care about X3 being only 103 minutes?

[ShakiraRocks]

I just wanted to see how many people were actually dissapointed by the news that our most beloved comic movie/saga is going to be the shortest of all three.

For me, I think it sucks. I've been waiting 3 years for this and from what i've seen i can tell the movie will live up to my expectations but the short time makes me feel like i'm going to leave wanting more. Eh, whatevers.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, you could have easily read the thread going on about this topic to find out who really cares.

I, myself, don't. Disappointed? Sure. But I don't presume to know how they are handling these stories, and I don't presume to know how long it will take to tell this story that they are telling. So 103 minutes could be just right.

But I would have preferred longer, just so the experience didn't end so quickly.

[ShakiraRocks]

how the hell did you respond so quickly, i just posted this like less then 6 seconds ago.

[Specter313]

We don't even have confirmation that's true, so it's too early for this. Probably should close it until it's more relevant.

[PWN3R]

I agree with Spec, I am waiting confirmation to start crying. Right now, it is as clear as Cykes fate, which is....:confused:

[Sun_Down]

Naturally I'd like it to be longer so, like Nell said, the experience would last longer, but they're using pretty much everything they shot, so it's not like it got chopped down in editing. Obviously the filmmakers (allegedly) thought that 103 minutes was enough to tell this story, so I guess we'll see if we agree on May 26th.

[Redd_Angel]

i know length shouldn't be an issue if it's still a good movie, BUT i really hope it would be longer- especially if it's the last one, i want to be satisfied and not be left wanting more when there won't be an x4. then of course, there's the whole issue of several subplots, and they should be given enough time :( :)

[LEX]

I do perfer a longer running time and I'm a bit disappointed, but it's not that big of a deal.

Voted for that one. But I agree with Nell. They're using every scenes they've shot so far except for the 30-sec scene. So, I guess it's not that bad.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I hope we see that 30 Second Scene on the DVD. I mean hell each X DVD has great Deleted Scenes. It would suck if this has none. Even if its only one Short Deleted Scene that will do :o

[Lightning Strykez!]

I would definitely prefer something more substantial.

Then again, some of the most classic sci-fi films of all time have consistently satisfied audiences with a similar time frame. Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan comes to mind.

[War Lord]

That's way too short for such a potentially important movie, possibly the most important movie of the trilogy.

2.5 hours is needed to tell the story properly.

[Pickle-El]

I wouldn't be so weary if it wasn't FOX behind the film....

[LEX]

That's way too short for such a potentially important movie, possibly the most important movie of the trilogy.

2.5 hours is needed to tell the story properly.
Critics complained that X2 was too long.

[War Lord]

Critics complained that X2 was too long.

Critics complain about everything. Fans care about every single detail.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Critics complain about everything. Fans care about every single detail.


Yes, but even us as fans have to realize that this film is not just for us. Or have we not learned from the mistakes some studios have made with beautiful--yet overwrought--films like King Kong? That film could've been huge but it faltered due to audiences being turned off to the film's length.

The lesson? Sometimes less is more, but only time will tell is 103 minutes to too much "less".

[LEX]

Critics complain about everything. Fans care about every single detail.
Yes, you're right.

They did say that every single scene they've shot are in the movie and I don't care about runtime. As long as it tells the whole story, I'm happy.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

2.5 hours is needed to tell the story properly.

How do you know?

We hardly know about the story they are telling.

[War Lord]

How do you know?

We hardly know about the story they are telling.

Doesn't matter what the storyline is, I want a 2.5 hour movie.

One of the reasons why I think many didn't like FF was that it was about 105 minutes long (or so it seemed) and it seemed too short.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I do prefer a longer time but i am a tad disappointed but Im cool with it. not a big deal with me cause I don't care cause I care about the story and characters...thats about it. Rock on X-Men3 :up: :up: :up:
http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/th__spazmonkey__by_TearsOfMySins.gif (http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/darkness_of_death/?action=view&current=_spazmonkey__by_TearsOfMySins.gif)

[Avalanche]

I would have much prefered a longer film, but so long as the film doesn't disappoint, it won't be too big a deal. We'll see if it can squeeze everything in to the small time given.

[kytrigger]

I would prefer a longer film, but I am not dissapointed yet because I haven't seen the film. It could be the perfect runtime, it could be too short. I won't know until May 26.

[CapBeerCino]

I want x-3 to succeed. If being that short would effct that - I care!
If it will rock never the less - I wouldnt mind about its length.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I would have much prefered a longer film, but so long as the film doesn't disappoint, it won't be too big a deal. We'll see if it can squeeze everything in to the small time given.
Yeah I agree, I would rather how a shorter length great film than a film thats longer with stuff that just takes away from the film's plot etc.

[CapBeerCino]

I would have much prefered a longer film, but so long as the film doesn't disappoint, it won't be too big a deal. We'll see if it can squeeze everything in to the small time given.

From where is the Ellen quote in your sig?

[Maze]

Critics complained that X2 was too long.
that it was not that well paced ..

but critics gave it 87 prct of good critics overall..not that bad eh?

[The Original Bamfer]

We don't even know, for sure, how long it is. So, I don't care yet.

[Maze]

anyways , nope , if you take one by one, characters , plot point,that we know ;), and if you wan't depht i dunno how you can believe that it can work in 1H43.

It could be relatively good , but it will never be the movie that it could have been.

[Avalanche]

From where is the Ellen quote in your sig?
I don't know what interview it was taken from. It's somewhere in the Ellen thread.

[CapBeerCino]

I wonder what made her say that...

[Spidey 2007]

We don't even know, for sure, how long it is. So, I don't care yet.

I second THAT! nothing is confirmed yet people, lol its amazing seriously......we act like we know everything sometimes.

you could compare this to a thread about your thoughts on the new technology used for xavier and magz to make them look younger!:down

but hypothetically speaking, if it IS confirmed for that time, then YES i will be upset, but only a little. Ive always thought of this as X1 all over again in a way...we get a new director and we dont know what or how hes going to do.

Singer always Said X1 was the "trailer" or "build up" to X2....so X3 is the official ending, doesnt need to be as LONG as the BULK of the story wich was X2.

EDIT: Ya knwo what i mean? heres a diagram |---X1---|-------X2--------|---X3---|

We are left HANGING at X2 for the ending/finale......

X1 started the plot points, X2 made some new ones and continued some and X3 will wrap it up.

[xwolverine2]

i would have chosen the second option...but it says im dissapoited which im not.

[Bastila]

Critics complained that X2 was too long.

Well they always complaine about everything and plus its their opinion not the worlds just them i hate critics as everyones like 'they said it was bad' but you might like, most of the films i like they hate but i can't stad critics i just think its another pesons opinion and thats it anyone could do their job.

And i'm not voting till its annoced from Fox, i just hope it is longer then 103 mins thats how long a kids film would be some Disney films are longer lol.

[Maze]

Well they always complaine about everything and plus its their opinion not the worlds just them i hate critics as everyones like 'they said it was bad' but you might like, most of the films i like they hate but i can't stad critics i just think its another pesons opinion and thats it anyone could do their job.

And i'm not voting till its annoced from Fox, i just hope it is longer then 103 mins thats how long a kids film would be some Disney films are longer lol.
Again the critics overall gave 87 prct to X2.

that doesn't happen everyday.

and no critics, real critic is a real job, that need knowledge about what you are talking about.

After that , yup , that doesn't change the fact that joe public has its taste , and should be respected as such ,even if everybody consider it horrible

Everybody is entitled to his an opinion..but it has every chances to be often less
educated than when it is your job.

[Spidey 2007]

Again the critics overall gave 87 prct to X2.

that doesn't happen everyday.

and no critics, real critic is a real job, that need knowledge about what you are talking about.

I suspect X3 will get a lower end rating, such as a 60% due to the fact that every single person(critic) will be comparing it to what bryan singer could have done and things of that nature. im suprised X1 got such a good deal of positive to reach that 80% it has..... but times have changed alot, and you know X3 will be compared to everything else out there which will lower the score. im GUESSING it will get a 65% give or take a few....I HOPE, then i would be happy. so a 65% X3 would get would technically be a 70-75% of the year 2000's standards i suppose.

[MemnochZERO]

I think the running time for X3 is complete crap. Personally, i don't like paying to so a movie under 2 hours, especially if it doesn't have to be. As far as X-men goes, this is the third and possibly final film, epic story, lotta new characters... i mean if it calls for a short running time, so be it, but I don't think it'd kill the audience or the action if it was the running length of X2.the first film was under two hours, but the plot in that film was extremely thin.. if this film is in fact the best written, the biggest, an most emotional film, why is it and hour and 43 minutes? That's insane.What sort of character closure can be done to the franchise? What sort fo development can be made without being rushed?I now have a feeling they're just cutting it down to keep the pace up, which is a shame.And, if the film is 103 minutes WITHOUT trimming it down first, if that is the uncut running time, than i'd say the film is a bit thin, period.

[Maze]

I suspect X3 will get a lower end rating, such as a 60% due to the fact that every single person(critic) will be comparing it to what bryan singer could have done and things of that nature. im suprised X1 got such a good deal of positive to reach that 80% it has..... but times have changed alot, and you know X3 will be compared to everything else out there which will lower the score. im GUESSING it will get a 65% give or take a few....I HOPE, then i would be happy. so a 65% X3 would get would technically be a 70-75% of the year 2000's standards i suppose.

Well , you know , Batman begins have been compared to the Burtons movies a lot , but that doesn't prevented the critics to love it.(83 prct)

anyways,Don't forget also that a lot of critics ( even professionnal) changed their stance on X3 when they saw the trailers.

let's not condemn the critics if they do not tell ultimately , what we wan't to hear :)

[Super_Ludacris]

Dont bother me

[Spidey 2007]

I think the running time for X3 is complete crap. Personally, i don't like paying to so a movie under 2 hours, especially if it doesn't have to be. As far as X-men goes, this is the third and possibly final film, epic story, lotta new characters... i mean if it calls for a short running time, so be it, but I don't think it'd kill the audience or the action if it was the running length of X2.the first film was under two hours, but the plot in that film was extremely thin.. if this film is in fact the best written, the biggest, an most emotional film, why is it and hour and 43 minutes? That's insane.What sort of character closure can be done to the franchise? What sort fo development can be made without being rushed?I now have a feeling they're just cutting it down to keep the pace up, which is a shame.And, if the film is 103 minutes WITHOUT trimming it down first, if that is the uncut running time, than i'd say the film is a bit thin, period.

what running time are you reffereing to? lol...nothing is confirmed so dont get upset YET

yea batman was compared to the previous ones but those wernt in the same franchise or anything. Batman Begins was an undeniable spectacular movie from day one, from the get go you could sit back and watch it form until the opening day then enjoy it. With X3 thats very hard to do because of the director change compared to singer he has a worse reputation, um, the fake leaked script put TERRIBLE tastes in everyones mouth, and some people today still think that script will stand, and they tell their friends this movie wont be any good this time, the rumored deaths that will upset some people that dont understand, the just recently rumored running time thats got a ****load of people on the pills (even though its not confirmed at alll) and some other things.


IMO sure everything looks great, but i guess its a VERY debatable subject, it all depends. lol ugh....may cant get here soon enough so all this can be laid to rest....:up:

[WideAwake]

I would like X3 to be longer, but it's not that big a deal.

The trailers showed that there will be some interesting character dilemma's and some awesome actionscenes, so I'm not worrying about those. I am a little worried that not every character will get enough screentime to do him or her justice, and that the storyline(s) may be too complicated for this runningtime.

[Kurosawa]

The stench of the corporate hacks at FOX is really all over this movie. the short running time, Cyclops fate, the continual push of Wolverine and the feeding of the Halle Ego Monster-it's just all a joke. It's souless corporate mindless summer moviemaking as only FOX can do it.

Pathetic.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ at the disgruntled X-fan

[Sun_Down]

The stench of the corporate hacks at FOX is really all over this movie. the short running time, Cyclops fate, the continual push of Wolverine and the feeding of the Halle Ego Monster-it's just all a joke. It's souless corporate mindless summer moviemaking as only FOX can do it.

Pathetic.

Yes, FOX is out to get you. They've been planning it all along. Make 2 great movies just to get you interested, then purposely make the 3rd one a total pile of crap just to spite you. It took 6 years and hundreds of millions of dollars, the evil empire finally accomplished it's master plan.

[xwolverine2]

The stench of the corporate hacks at FOX is really all over this movie. the short running time, Cyclops fate, the continual push of Wolverine and the feeding of the Halle Ego Monster-it's just all a joke. It's souless corporate mindless summer moviemaking as only FOX can do it.

Pathetic.
:eek: YOUR BACK!:up: :D

so i take it yor not seeing this movie?...... so why continue to complain?

[javon]

That's way too short for such a potentially important movie, possibly the most important movie of the trilogy.

2.5 hours is needed to tell the story properly.

103 minutes isn't even 2 hours! Its 1 hour and 43 minutes.Who said it was that long anyway?

[invincible mann]

as long as its a good story it wont bother me at all
lots of good movies have been that length

[lordofthenerds]

I voted for the second choice. And I'll just skip the part where I explain why I voted for it.

[Almighty Pejo]

All I know is, this 103 minutes sure as hell better be without credits, cause everyone knows the credits on this film are going to be at least 15 minutes long. And it would have been nice if they had given enough time for actual character development, but alas, having more shows a day is more important than well rounded film.

[MoiBijou]

I voted that this COULD suck, because it's impossible to put such an amount of plots, character development, action scenes and so in 1 hour and 45 minutes.

Anyway, I'll say "this sucks" after seeing the movie... or not, with a bit of luck.

[WritersBlock89]

It sucks for me. Kind of don't want to see the movie now, lol. I'm about to cry.

But I'll still see the movie. :(

[X-Maniac]

I'm worried a little....because shorter superhero movies - like Elektra, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Catwoman - tend to be lacking in substance and depth. I actually like Catwoman, but I wouldn't want X3 to be anything like it; the tone is entirely different. Daredevil became a good movie when it was 133mins Directors Cut; the original 99minute version was rubbish. X1 suffered because it was too short (no Storm and Cyclops origin scenes, and many other scenes deleted).

We shall see soon enough, I guess. I hope it has a gentle introduction and a nice rounded conclusion, rather than hurling us straight into action (which never works in the cinema, as people are still 'settling' and not concentrating..they need to be led into the story and given time to settle down).

[ShakiraRocks]

I understand how people say time doesn't matter, but its not like i'm saying that a shorter movie is worse.... i just want the movie to last a long time because its the last one, i want to be in the movie theater and be surprised and excited for as long as possible (2.5 hours seems the longest) but now i'm pretty sure that wont happen and THAT sucks, not the fact that small time makes the movie worse. I just don't know how they can do the plotline and all the characters justice in such a short time...........

[DarknessOfDeath]

check it out guys... Simon's Q&A's UPDATED


http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=8&page=53

[DarkDog]

Well, I’m happy to see that there’s finally something more controversial than the fate of Cyclops. Honestly, I understand your concern about the running time of the film. I always knew it would be shorter than X2, and I assumed it would be closer to X1 in length. I’m not entirely sure of the final FINAL running time, but it will indeed be around the announced time.

There are a few things you should probably keep in mind, in terms of the film. One, we didn’t need to do as much character set-up as X1. We made this movie primarily for the established fans, so we didn’t spend a lot of time introducing core characters. As you’ll see, we just dive right into the film, thus saving a lot of time in Act One. Also, we really have a lot of character/dialogue scenes in the movie, which run faster than action (in terms of page-count-to-screen-time ratio).

What Brett said was right – he did not cut any substantial scenes (I think he only cut one transitional scene). He edited the movie for a particular pace and energy, which he felt was right for this story. He wanted this war to feel like it was escalating and accelerating right into the final battle. As far as I know, he was not encouraged by the studio to cut down the film. I know Fox made FF and Elektra, but they also made Master and Commander (138 minutes), Kingdom of Heaven (145) and TITANIC (194). Revenge of the Sith was shorter than Attack of the Clones, and I think ROTS was significantly better.

Anyway, at the end of the day, you’ll be the judge of whether or not X3 is an epic enough climax to the trilogy. As writers, Zak and I had no control over the running time. That was entirely up to Brett and his editor Mark Helfrich. They paced the scenes the way they wanted, and all I hope is that it’s the best hour 45 you spend all summer…

I think that makes me feel better U____U

[strugler]

:mad:

simon kinberg just confirmed that the running time is indeed around 103 min (including credits) sucks for all of us

http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=8&page=53

[SingItWithMeNow]

so 1 hour and 43 mins?

[Agentdemon]

This doesn't sound good if true.

[migs]

he actually said in the second part of the post that he doesn't know 105 minutes is with or without credits. If its without credits then the time ain't so bad.

[Downhere]

If it's without credits then I would be happy! If it's with credits, what can I do. lol.

[Specter313]

No, he said:

I’m not entirely sure of the final FINAL running time, but it will indeed be around the announced time.

That doesn't make 103 minutes final. And he never said it included credits.

[LEX]

I'm not believing anything at the moment.

[strugler]

usually the running time always includes credits abt 99% of the time if not 100%
i just lost hope in the movie seriously ive been waiting for 3 years and at the end its 103 shame on you ratner or whoever is responsible.

[mutant]

You guys should relax. This really doesn't mean anything.

[strugler]

I'm not believing anything at the moment.

dude kinberg offically said it

[Specter313]

dude kinberg offically said it

No he didn't. He only guessed like everyone else.

[psyonic]

I'm just glad X3 is coming out in about a month!

[Pickle-El]

No he didn't. He only guessed like everyone else.

He wrote a great deal of the script right?..he's already helped tweak the parts that need tweaking for the final version. Unless they plan to include a whole lotta stuff Kinberg himself feels is uncessary, he's pretty much the authority on this right now.

[Specter313]

He wrote a great deal of the script right?..he's already helped tweak the parts that need tweaking for the final version. Unless they plan to include a whole lotta stuff Kinberg himself feels is uncessary, he's pretty much the authority on this right now.

Can people not read?

I’m not entirely sure of the final FINAL running time

That means, nothing is confirmed. How hard is this to realize?

[migs]

the only thing that has really not been confirmed is whether or not this running time includes credits.

[Sunstar]

Still, Kinberg did say it was close to the announced time so it's probably a few minutes longer/shorter than 103min. Still doesn't make me feel any better! :(

[Slim_X]

Can people not read?



That means, nothing is confirmed. How hard is this to realize?
Yeah I'm with you, I think he didn't confirm anything.

Oh and by the way, today I watched X2 and without credits it's 2h 05m and with credits it's about 2h 14m, I don't think it'll be too bad if X3 is 1h 43m WITHOUT credits.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah...and they've said that the pace of the film is faster too and with good reason..

-TNC

[Supreme Power]

Well if it's 1hr 43 min. without credits, I guess I would feel slightly better.

[BEER]

That sucks, if this is the last outing, I want a lot of it dammit! :mad:

[Retroman]

:mad:

simon kinberg just confirmed that the running time is indeed around 103 min (including credits) sucks for all of us

http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=8&page=53
I'll reserve judgement until i see the film.My feelings about this running time are not good though.:(

[Downhere]

Hopefully this is without credits though...there's a small possibility of that happening.

[SlimWorthington]

Hey all,

Well, I’m happy to see that there’s finally something more controversial than the fate of Cyclops. Honestly, I understand your concern about the running time of the film. I always knew it would be shorter than X2, and I assumed it would be closer to X1 in length. I’m not entirely sure of the final FINAL running time, but it will indeed be around the announced time.

There are a few things you should probably keep in mind, in terms of the film. One, we didn’t need to do as much character set-up as X1. We made this movie primarily for the established fans, so we didn’t spend a lot of time introducing core characters. As you’ll see, we just dive right into the film, thus saving a lot of time in Act One. Also, we really have a lot of character/dialogue scenes in the movie, which run faster than action (in terms of page-count-to-screen-time ratio).

What Brett said was right – he did not cut any substantial scenes (I think he only cut one transitional scene). He edited the movie for a particular pace and energy, which he felt was right for this story. He wanted this war to feel like it was escalating and accelerating right into the final battle. As far as I know, he was not encouraged by the studio to cut down the film. I know Fox made FF and Elektra, but they also made Master and Commander (138 minutes), Kingdom of Heaven (145) and TITANIC (194). Revenge of the Sith was shorter than Attack of the Clones, and I think ROTS was significantly better.

Anyway, at the end of the day, you’ll be the judge of whether or not X3 is an epic enough climax to the trilogy. As writers, Zak and I had no control over the running time. That was entirely up to Brett and his editor Mark Helfrich. They paced the scenes the way they wanted, and all I hope is that it’s the best hour 45 you spend all summer…

Thanks Simon.

[Radford]

ah... the Jurassic Park 3 fate. :down


with the amount of supposed content in this film i d be worried at even 130 minutes.

[BEER]

As long as it kicks all kinds of ass, the rt isn't THAT important I guess. :(:up:

[ShakiraRocks]

WTF THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! how can they possible do the movie justice w/ all those characters and leave me not wanting more (since it may be the last one) with just 103 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!! grrr

[chaseter]

That better be without credits or intro because there goes another 5-10 mins.

[Supreme Power]

As long as it kicks all kinds of ass, the rt isn't THAT important I guess. :(:up:

It better then!! :(

[ShakiraRocks]

that doesn't make me feel any less pissed off, if anything now i'm more mad at Ratner then anyone else. lol

[TheVileOne]

The arguments for the running time are pretty irrelevant.

Kinberg's arguments are about hilarious as most of the people on this forum's. He was the one that compared this movie to Return Of The King which didn't have a ton of CHARACTER SET-UP either. Nor did the second movie.

[Downhere]

That better be without credits or intro because there goes another 5-10 mins.

It would probably be more like 10-12 minutes as I believe X2 has 11 minutes of credits.

[Supreme Power]

The arguments for the running time are pretty irrelevant.

Kinberg's arguments are about hilarious as most of the people on this forum's. He was the one that compared this movie to Return Of The King which didn't have a ton of CHARACTER SET-UP either. Nor did the second movie.

:eek: :( I hope it at least feels similiar to that in scope or something. Just more fast paced.

[TheVileOne]

It would probably be more like 10-12 minutes as I believe X2 has 11 minutes of credits.

Wrong. More like 8 minutes of credits.

I'd say my fears about the running time are pretty justified based on the way they've built this movie up.

[Downhere]

The film could feel like ROTK in scope, even with the proposed length.

[Downhere]

Wrong. More like 8 minutes of credits.

I'd say my fears about the running time are pretty justified based on the way they've built this movie up.

Sorry I misworded that. 11 minutes with credits and opening sequence.

[TheVileOne]

The film could feel like ROTK in scope, even with the proposed length.

No it really can't.

You know what's going to feel like? Probably more like a music video or video game.

[TheVileOne]

Sorry I misworded that. 11 minutes with credits and opening sequence.

The movie doesn't even have opening credits, just an opening title sequence, which is not 3 minutes.

[Downhere]

The movie doesn't even have opening credits, just an opening title sequence, which is not 3 minutes.

You need to read my post correctly...I said opening sequence and it was in the 2-3 minute range.

[BMM]

I just hope there's a significant amount of time for character development in so far as Angel and Beast are concerned and that they're not just thrown in there so that people are like WTF?

Also, while it has been noted that there need not be much character development for already existing characters, there should be a proper sense of individual closure, especially if this is being hailed as the final epic of a trilogy. The characters do need to end at a point illustrating pesonal growth and a sense of conclusiveness. Otherwise, the so far development is somewhat left lingering or lost. This is more my main concern.

I don't care as much about the development of characters like Angel or Beast, so long as the already existing characters have a much deserved proper ending that illustrates how they have changed as people from the beginning of the series to the end . . . something other than, "Okay, battle's over . . . time for school again."

[Supreme Power]

No it really can't.

You know what's going to feel like? Probably more like a music video or video game.

Well we have seen a good amount of action as well as drama from the trailors and tv spots. What I'm starting to believe now is we've seen only small parts of what is going to be much longer drawn out sequences. Which would probably add more signifigance and impact to certain scenes.

[strugler]

so minus the credits and opening we are getting 90mn what the heck???

first i tought the movie will suck after the script leak etc
then after the trailers and pictures i tought it will be amazing
no after the running time is revealed im thinking the movie will be an ok movie a la jurassic park 3

i just hope it wont be a la batman & robin

[FieryBalrog]

This is really bad. Fantastic Four felt rushed and underdeveloped at 1:41 and that was with FIVE CHARACTERS. This movie has at least 4 main characters and 10 big supporting characters. Including 4-5 new ones. Who says theres no new character set-up? Are Angel, Beast, Callisto and Juggernaut just going to waltz in and start fighting?

On the other hand this is not surprising at all. This is the same studio that released Elektra, Daredevil, F4. Good job Fox, good job Avi "Never Again" Arad.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

JP3 might end up being a pretty good comparison, except the only thing they could really do with the JP storyline in the third sequel is show more dinosaurs.

You can do more with the X-Men films than just show more mutants.

Also, the running time for Cairns? Pretty sure that's the film cut without credits and some other things.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Well, I’m happy to see that there’s finally something more controversial than the fate of Cyclops

Haha gotta love the guy :o But sadly thats still going strong but its interesting he brought that up

[LEX]

I haven't seen the movie yet. You haven't seen the movie. So, it's best to just wait and see. Predicting and complaining about it isn't gonna help anything.

The release date isn't that far away.

[TheVileOne]

JP3 might end up being a pretty good comparison, except the only thing they could really do with the JP storyline in the third sequel is show more dinosaurs.

You can do more with the X-Men films than just show more mutants.

Also, the running time for Cairns? Pretty sure that's the film cut without credits and some other things.
No it's not. That's not how Cannes works.

Kinberg just said the time is accurate.

[Downhere]

No it's not. That's not how Cannes works.

Kinberg just said the time is accurate.

He said it was accurate but didn't know if it included credits or not.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Honestly Im not bothered by this. At least it wont be another King Kong taking an Hour & an half or so alone just getting to the point of the Movie :o

[FieryBalrog]

Thats just BS excuses.

There hasnt been a single good superhero movie at that length. Yes, even X1, which had big problems thanks to its length, which meant it could only focus on Wolverine and Rogue and screwed over the other characters. This movie had at least double the characters of X1, including new ones, and its about the same length? Terrible.

If the movie is great I'll be happy but I'm not very hopeful. It sounds like a rushed hack-job to meet the May 26th deadline.

[TheVileOne]

You need to read my post correctly...I said opening sequence and it was in the 2-3 minute range.

No it wasn't. Maybe if you are nitpicky and count the Fox logo.

[GothicPowerMix1]

He said it was accurate but didn't know if it included credits or not.

& like it was said most Online Time Announcements include credits. So it is basically a sure thing that thats Credits Included. Unless it says otherwise Im going with this time is with Credits

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Also, in regards to the ROTK/X3:TLS comparison.

ROTK had to cover ALOT more ground than seems necessary for X3. X3 can still seem epic without covering the same ammount of length.

Although, I can't think of any film that seemed 'epic' that wasn't around the 2 hour or longer mark.

Examples anyone?

[strugler]

Also, the running time for Cairns? Pretty sure that's the film cut without credits and some other things.

no, the times at cannes always includes credits.

[TheVileOne]

Also, in regards to the ROTK/X3:TLS comparison.

ROTK had to cover ALOT more ground than seems necessary for X3. X3 can still seem epic without covering the same ammount of length.

Although, I can't think of any film that seemed 'epic' that wasn't around the 2 hour or longer mark.

Examples anyone?

The word epic itself partly means something of EXTENDED or longer length.

[Downhere]

No it wasn't. Maybe if you are nitpicky and count the Fox logo.

I'm not the one being nitpicky.

[strugler]

Also, in regards to the ROTK/X3:TLS comparison.

ROTK had to cover ALOT more ground than seems necessary for X3. X3 can still seem epic without covering the same ammount of length.

Although, I can't think of any film that seemed 'epic' that wasn't around the 2 hour or longer mark.

Examples anyone?

gotta agree with you, no epic film was less than 2 hours

[FieryBalrog]

Also, in regards to the ROTK/X3:TLS comparison.

ROTK had to cover ALOT more ground than seems necessary for X3. X3 can still seem epic without covering the same ammount of length.

Although, I can't think of any film that seemed 'epic' that wasn't around the 2 hour or longer mark.

Examples anyone?

A 1:34 or so (without credits) movie is not going to feel epic, period. There simply isnt time to build it properly, either its nonstop action and it feels rushed, or its all build with one action scene and it feels hollow like Fantastic Four did.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

The word epic itself partly means something of EXTENDED or longer length.

I think it just means large in scope

which can obviously be intepreted in many ways, not necessarily just length.

[Supreme Power]

Honestly Im not bothered by this. At least it wont be another King Kong taking an Hour & an half or so alone just getting to the point of the Movie :o

Personally, there are movies I expect to be short and there are some I expect to be long, without knowing the running time. I expected Kong to be long so that didn't really bother me. I expected this to be longer but...

[GothicPowerMix1]

The word epic itself partly means something of EXTENDED or longer length.

Independence Day
Armageddon
The Day After Tomorrow
Deep Impact

& many others (over the Two Hour mark)

[GreatWhiteWhale]

A 1:34 or so (without credits) movie is not going to feel epic, period. There simply isnt time to build it properly, either its nonstop action and it feels rushed, or its all build with one action scene and it feels hollow like Fantastic Four did.

We will see my, pessimistic compadre


However, i am wary of the film's length. I can't remember any film that impressed me with it's 'epic' -ness (in regards to telling a broad and important story involving many characters) that wasn't around the 2 hour+ mark.

There have been plenty of excellent films under the two hour marks, except these have been dialogue/characterization focussed movies, rather than important political/philosophical battles involving many parties.

[FieryBalrog]

Independence Day
Armageddon
The Day After Tomorrow
Deep Impact

& many others (over the Two Hour mark)
Long movies can be bad, so what?

[BMM]

Honestly Im not bothered by this. At least it wont be another King Kong taking an Hour & an half or so alone just getting to the point of the Movie :o

True, but you would think with stories like the Cure and The Dark Phoenix Saga . . . including all of the other factors (new characters, rounding out older characters, etc.), that the movie could be longer without being boring (not King Kong long but longer)

This must be a very fast paced movie . . . we'll see how it balances out with all of the supposed intense action and drama.

[GothicPowerMix1]

I liked the first 3 on that list Fiery :o (everyones different)

[TheVileOne]

Independence Day
Armageddon
The Day After Tomorrow
Deep Impact

& many others (over the Two Hour mark)

Which is LONGER than X-men 3.

But what's your point? That Fox produces bad "epic" movies?

[Supreme Power]

Long movies can be bad, so what?

Plus all those made money. :up:

[Supreme Power]

I liked the first 3 on that list Fiery :o (everyones different)

You liked Armageddon, but not Deep Impact. :confused:

[FieryBalrog]

I dont understand why it would kill Fox to actually do justice to a superhero movie. Its like they go out of their way to make ****ty decisions based on soulless corporate requirements. Avi Arad said "never again" after Elektra would a movie be rushed out and cut up and voila. Its here.

Maybe if Sony or some other studio owned the X-men rights they would actually treat it as it is, a huge potential cash cow to be groomed and cared for, like Sony is doing with Spiderman 3, instead of humping it for all its worth until it dies from exhaustion.

[strugler]

A 1:34 or so (without credits) movie is not going to feel epic, period. There simply isnt time to build it properly, either its nonstop action and it feels rushed, or its all build with one action scene and it feels hollow like Fantastic Four did.


yes the movie will feel "RUSH HOUR" and half

[GothicPowerMix1]

You liked Armageddon, but not Deep Impact. :confused:

yep

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I dont understand why it would kill Fox to actually do justice to a superhero movie. Its like they go out of their way to make ****ty decisions based on soulless corporate requirements. Avi Arad said "never again" after Elektra would a movie be rushed out and cut up and voila. Its here.

Maybe if Sony or some other studio owned the X-men rights they would actually treat it as it is, a huge potential cash cow to be groomed and cared for, like Sony is doing with Spiderman 3, instead of humping it for all its worth until it dies from exhaustion.

I know it seems like history repeating.

But..

Would it be worth waiting and seeing the actual film do you think?

[FieryBalrog]

True, but you would think with stories like the Cure and The Dark Phoenix Saga . . . including all of the other factors (new characters, rounding out older characters, etc.), that the movie could be longer without being boring (not King Kong long but longer)

This must be a very fast paced movie . . . we'll see how it balances out with all of the supposed intense action and drama.

Exactly. Simply putting on fancy clothes, waving your arms around and yelling "I'm EPIC! Look at the explosions and tears!" does not make you an epic movie.

[GothicPowerMix1]

We will see the Film no matter what GWW. But it IS FOX

[Supreme Power]

yes the movie will feel "RUSH HOUR" and half

Yea actually I have had no previous problems with Ratner, and have liked most of his other movies. But "if" this does end up feeling rushed and a less quality movie as a result, that will be a giant fault with him for me resulting from his "short attention span".

Hopefully, and I'm still positive that he knew to come at this the right way.

[FieryBalrog]

I know it seems like history repeating.

But..

Would it be worth waiting and seeing the actual film do you think?

I'm still going to see it in the hopes of enjoying something. However this information reeks of the whole rush-job cash-in mentality behind the whole production. This isn't the first bit of bad news I'm sure you know. This is the latest indication in a string of bad omens and it doesn't take a psychic to know somethings up. Until now I've held in my doubts, and haven't really complained. But really this seems to confirm everything I had hoped wasn't true about the production.

Fox treats all of its superhero franchises like whores. Why should this be any different?

(and yes, they treated X1 and X2 like whores too. Slashing the budget and moving up the release date by 6 months? Thats about as big a pimp-slap to the face you can get.)

[GreatWhiteWhale]

We will see the Film no matter what GWW. But it IS FOX

Good point.

*Starts writing Angry Letter*

"Dear Fox.

I HATE YOU AND I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDS ANYMORE.

Signed GWW"

[GothicPowerMix1]

Good point.

*Starts writing Angry Letter*

"Dear Fox.

I HATE YOU AND I DONT WANT TO BE FRIENDS ANYMORE.

Signed GWW"

look at how much better Fantastic Four would have been had none of thos great Deleted Scenes has been well Deleted :o

[TheVileOne]

Thats just BS excuses.

There hasnt been a single good superhero movie at that length. Yes, even X1, which had big problems thanks to its length, which meant it could only focus on Wolverine and Rogue and screwed over the other characters. This movie had at least double the characters of X1, including new ones, and its about the same length? Terrible.

If the movie is great I'll be happy but I'm not very hopeful. It sounds like a rushed hack-job to meet the May 26th deadline.
Yeah pretty much. Tons of new characters are being introduced. More than even the first and second movies. And like they all keep proclaiming

BIGGER MOVIE THAN X-MEN 1 AND X-MEN! More drama! More emotion! More action packed!

[FieryBalrog]

Yea. And Fantastic Four had FIVE characters and a thread-bare plot. And a terrible, rushed scene in the bar with Ben and Alicia.

X3 has what, 15 important characters?

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, it makes me very nervous that this movie has a comparable time as Fox's other movies like Fantastic Four, X-men, Elektra, and Daredevil.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm..

Well, im pretty sure Fantastic Four was doomed from the start.

I think they took the wrong tone with it, made the wrong casting decisions, wrong director, bad script, good budget however, decent production crew.

Look, im not saying that FOX gives Superhero films pedigree attention, but I am saying that FOX recognise how vocal the fans can be and that X-Men is an important franchise in their moneymaking arsenal.

I don't think we're getting a terrible film, I don't think we're getting a good film, I think we're getting a great film at 1h45 minutes.

However, I dont think we're getting a brilliant, spectacular, one-for-the-history books, unforgettable, please everyone type film. I don't think this will be the jewel in FOX's Superhero films crown.

But I think it will be signifigantly better than Fantastic Four and all the other Superhero franchises FOX owns. I think this film will be at least on Par with X1 in terms of story, and likely on par with a film like Troy in terms of scope, but NOT on par with X2 in terms of running time and careful scene deliberation.

As I said, even at a short running time, don't expect a **** film, expect a good film, but, depending on what you like, im sure it could have been better. But so could alot of films/things.

[Supreme Power]

However, I dont think we're getting a brilliant, spectacular, one-for-the-history books, unforgettable, please everyone type film. I don't think this will be the jewel in FOX's Superhero films crown.



But that's what I was hoping for. :(

[GreatWhiteWhale]

That's what everyone was hoping for.

And I could be wrong, but I'm trying to balance out everything I know, ignore the potential hyperbole, and be realistic.

With all that said. Im still expecting a ****ing fantastic movie, something that I enjoyed the hell out of. Like Spiderman 1 and 2, X1 and 2, Batman Begins, Returns, Sin City, V For Vendetta, Superman 1 and 2 and The Hulk (Yeah thought that last one was alright)

[TheVileOne]

Hmm..

Well, im pretty sure Fantastic Four was doomed from the start.

I think they took the wrong tone with it, made the wrong casting decisions, wrong director, bad script, good budget however, decent production crew.

Look, im not saying that FOX gives Superhero films pedigree attention, but I am saying that FOX recognise how vocal the fans can be and that X-Men is an important franchise in their moneymaking arsenal.

I don't think we're getting a terrible film, I don't think we're getting a good film, I think we're getting a great film at 1h45 minutes.

However, I dont think we're getting a brilliant, spectacular, one-for-the-history books, unforgettable, please everyone type film. I don't think this will be the jewel in FOX's Superhero films crown.


Why not? This is what everyone around the production has promised. This is what a ton of people on the forums have proclaimed after seeing the trailers.


But I think it will be signifigantly better than Fantastic Four and all the other Superhero franchises FOX owns. I think this film will be at least on Par with X1 in terms of story, and likely on par with a film like Troy in terms of scope, but NOT on par with X2 in terms of running time and careful scene deliberation.

I say it won't be on par with X2 at all in any form. Except maybe ACTION SCENES and 'SPLOSIONS.

[FieryBalrog]

I wasn't expecting a classic film, I dont really expect that of any superhero blockbuster, and thats not what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a great film, and with all the other information, PLUS the running time, I dont think I'll get that either.

I wouldnt even care if they weren't incorporating one of my favorite fictional storylines into the movie, the Phoenix arc. I just wish Singer could have done his version with X3-X4 back to back or something. That sounds like he had an artistic vision for the movies. This sounds like Fox cramming in mutants so they can generate action figure revenue. It sounds like it'll be a soulless movie, run-of-the-mill Hollywood crap like Aeon Flux or Stealth. As I said, whoring out the franchise.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I wasn't expecting a classic film, I dont really expect that of any superhero blockbuster, and thats not what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a great film, and with all the other information, PLUS the running time, I dont think I'll get that either.


Well, SOMEONE thinks you'll get a great film. (me).

[freshandclean]

I don't think we're getting a terrible film, I don't think we're getting a good film, I think we're getting a great film at 1h45 minutes.

Why is it that you can think we're getting a great film before even seeing it but advise everyone else not to judge until they see it? I'm not being antagonistic, but doesn't it work both ways? You can't criticize someone for being critical about the film without seeing it then turn around and say your sure it'll be great.

What makes someone thinking that 1hr 43min isn't enough time for an epic film less valid then someone thinking it'll be great because *insert reasoning*?

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Why is it that you can think we're getting a great film before even seeing it but advise everyone else not to judge until they see it? I'm not being antagonistic, but doesn't it work both ways? You can't criticize someone for being critical about the film without seeing it then turn around and say your sure it'll be great.

What makes someone thinking that 1hr 43min isn't enough time for an epic film less valid then someone thinking it'll be great because *insert reasoning*?

Oh, im sorry, i should have cleared that up. The rules I set don't apply to me. im above the law.

[freshandclean]

Oh, im sorry, i should have cleared that up. The rules I set don't apply to me. im above the law.

Aren't we all.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Aren't we all.

...

No, apparently just me. Don't know how I got so lucky, but im not complaining.

Yeah, anyway, you're right. It's not my place to tell anyone else what they can or can't believe or expect about the film. Absolutely not my place at all and I apoligize for it.

But, if pessimism and negativity ever get you down. There still is a contingent of people that believe the film will be decent, whatever little comfort that may be for you. Whether we seem naive or just faithful, take some comfort in the fact that they're are some people that believe this film could be good, rather than a letdown.

[FieryBalrog]

That contingent existed for Catwoman also.

[freshandclean]

Oh. Don't get me wrong. From what I've seen it actually does look like it'll be great. I'm actually surprised a studio like FOX would actually go there with the Phoenix thing. After X2 (despite foreshadowing) I didn't actually think they'd have the balls.

But I've been very optimistic about the film and just assumed that it would be at least 2 hours so this news just grounded me. It's a case of "too good to be true" if you will. Everything post-Singer drama was going great. Trailer was fantastic, etc. Out of all the things that could go wrong but didn't, a shorter runtime was not what I was expecting. It was like a splash of cold water. Don't give into the hype just yet.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm really sick and tired about the *****ing concerning the runtime.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

That contingent existed for Catwoman also.

Surely you don't X3 to be a disaster on the level of Catwoman? That's about as bad as it can get.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I'm really sick and tired about the *****ing concerning the runtime.

Hey Nell

(Nell, aren't you meant to be MIA?)

[zer00]

sigh I knew it

[freshandclean]

I'm really sick and tired about the *****ing concerning the runtime.

Well I'm a little sick and tired of the *****ing about the *****ing concerning the runtime, especially when an entire thread is devoted to "will the Marvel sign zoom into the 'R'." Please.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Hey Nell

(Nell, aren't you meant to be MIA?)

I was, but I started posting again, so I took the "M.I.A." tag out of my sig and custom title. I've been posting regularly again for a couple weeks now.

But with all this unfounded negativity, I might just end up pulling a WorthyStevens. I'm really getting tired of coming here, only to find everyone *****ing about the runtime of this movie. It got really old a long time ago. Now it's becoming more than annoying. It's becoming really frustrating, and somewhat agitating. This forum hasn't been too enjoyable the past couple of days. And quite frankly, I don't want to be sitting in the movie theatres the whole time, thinking about how this, that, or the other thing proves all the nay-sayers wrong, and I was right from the get go. I wanna concentrate on enjoying the movie, not proving VileOne wrong.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well I'm a little sick and tired of the *****ing about the *****ing concerning the runtime, especially when an entire thread is devoted to "will the Marvel sign zoom into the 'R'." Please.

Yea, well unlike 90% of these boards, I'm not running around, lighting myself on fire in protest, because some minor ****ing detail is gonna ruin the entire movie, and how Fox is the evil Satanic corporation that's out to steal our souls by making short superhero movies, instead of turning them into Gone With The Wind :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[FieryBalrog]

So you ***** about the *****ing? Talk about a self-defeating strategy. :rolleyes:

[freshandclean]

Yea, well unlike 90% of these boards, I'm not running around, lighting myself on fire in protest, because some minor ****ing detail is gonna ruin the entire movie, and how Fox is the evil Satanic corporation that's out to steal our souls by making short superhero movies, instead of turning them into Gone With The Wind :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Minor detail? I'm sorry but the runtime of a movie that many think should be closer to 2 hours isn't as petty as whether Professor's voiceover will be included or if the Marvel logo is gonna zoom into the 'R' or not. This is another case of "my concerns about the movie trumps your concerns about the movie". But I don't go around telling everyone to shut up about their concerns because this is a public forum where these types of concerns should be talked about. Nor do I say I'm leaving only to return a week later. Next time, don't talk about it, be about it.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If you guys actually had something to ***** about, it would be different.

But you guys have absolutley no idea how these storylines are going to be handled, how they may even tie into each other which would lessen the amount of time needed to tell, or how these stories are going to be told.

And it's one thing when people say "I feel concern over the runtime, because in my opinion these storylines should be given more time to properly develop"... okay, I disagree with that, but whatever. It's an understandable opinion.

But when people, who don't know what they are talking about, quite literally, seeing as how little we know about this movie, run around *****ing about how this movie is going to be ruined, Ratner is a hack, and the Fox corporation is really the kingdom of Hell, it's a little bit overdramatic, and a little bit arrogant to assume that we know more than the PROFESSIONAL FILMMAKERS!

Get a legitamate arguement before you start running around making declarations of this movie being an utter disaster, and catastrophic to the world as we know it.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Minor detail? I'm sorry but the runtime of a movie that many think should be closer to 2 hours isn't as petty as whether Professor's voiceover will be included or if the Marvel logo is gonna zoom into the 'R' or not. This is another case of "my concerns about the movie trumps your concerns about the movie". But I don't go around telling everyone to shut up about their concerns because this is a public forum where these types of concerns should be talked about. Nor do I say I'm leaving only to return a week later. Next time, don't talk about it, be about it.

And I'm also not running around proclaing that a potential different introduction will ruin the movie.

However, everyone is stating that this movie has no chance of being successful (in terms of storytelling) because of the runtime, DESPITE THE FACT that nobody has seen the movie to be able to comprehend how these story arcs are being handled!

[Maze]

Well , we'll have a fast paced movie..i hope that is good..don't go expecting a classic , you will not get it.

.................................................. .......

That said , one thing i have a hard time understanding..Ratner said they did cut only 30 seconds?

In a script ,usually a page mean one minute:


hey simon, can you say how many pages the script ended up at?
*Hard to say, because when you get into production, you lock the script and start using half-pages and additional pages (A and B pages). I think it was ultimately around 125 pages.

[FieryBalrog]

If you guys actually had something to ***** about, it would be different.

But you guys have absolutley no idea how these storylines are going to be handled, how they may even tie into each other which would lessen the amount of time needed to tell, or how these stories are going to be told.

And it's one thing when people say "I feel concern over the runtime, because in my opinion these storylines should be given more time to properly develop"... okay, I disagree with that, but whatever. It's an understandable opinion.

But when people, who don't know what they are talking about, quite literally, seeing as how little we know about this movie, run around *****ing about how this movie is going to be ruined, Ratner is a hack, and the Fox corporation is really the kingdom of Hell, it's a little bit overdramatic, and a little bit arrogant to assume that we know more than the PROFESSIONAL FILMMAKERS!

This is the same studio that churned out Elektra, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and treated X-men like ****. Are you serious? I couldn't give a crap if they were the Angelic Host. They suck at making superhero movies. We're not walking into this blind. There's been a boatload of bad developments in this production, and somehow this is going to be a great film. You're the one with no legitimate argument.

Get a legitamate arguement before you start running around making declarations of this movie being an utter disaster, and catastrophic to the world as we know it.

For the same reason I expect the next Communist revolution to be an utter disaster. Its been done.

[freshandclean]

And this is coming from someone who said, and I quote:

I am 100% convinced that this movie is going to be awesome...

This is what I was talking about earlier. If someone says this film will 100% be a disaster (which I don't agree with in the least) they're told that's impossible unless you're either Ratner or have seen the film. Whereas you state with 100% accuracy, mind you, that the film will be awesome. IMO, it's equally annoying because you are equally as ignorant about the outcome as everyone else. Talk about arrogance.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yea, well unlike 90% of these boards, I'm not running around, lighting myself on fire in protest, because some minor ****ing detail is gonna ruin the entire movie, and how Fox is the evil Satanic corporation that's out to steal our souls by making short superhero movies, instead of turning them into Gone With The Wind :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So its okay for you to ***** about Gambit not being in and people cant about this? Interesting.

[Maze]

Or sentinels ;)

Nell , it will be nice if you had ,a little more understanding about why people are really *****ing..

i think a lot of people did have it with you and Gambit ( i'm not a fan , and i could understand why you were upset )

[FieryBalrog]

So its okay for you to ***** about Gambit not being in and people cant about this? Interesting.

I know, seriously. And not to mention, the only single positive development anyone knows about this film is that the trailer was good. The trailer. I dont even think its possible to make a really bad trailer.

But somehow that indicates that all of the bad signs about this movie- from the super-rushed schedule, to the fact that the scriptwriters have only been associated with mediocre-to-terrible movies, to the fact that the director came on at the very last minute- all those signs are meaningless.

[Maze]

ok nevermind about the page ratio...from what i know it is usually the same..but :
*The one-page-equals-one-minute ratio is never entirely true. I have never worked on a movie (or even heard of a movie) where the running time was the exact same as the page count. On Mr and Mrs Smith, the final shooting script was 138 pages long, and the movie was 120. As for FF, I appreciate you saying that we had an “amazing” script, but I don’t think we ever truly hit "amazing" territory. I think we had a good, and in some spots great, script. But I don’t think the problem with the movie was running time. In fact, the studio and director went back to film extra scenes a few months before the release, making it at least 5 minutes longer.

[Maze]

*I don’t think the script was rushed. Brett and his editor had a particular vision for the film, which was more intense and kinetic than the first two movies.



I have a hard time believing that the characters,or the plot will breath in this , that there will be a building momentum ,

but, we'll see anyways.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I have a hard time believing that the characters,or the plot will breath in this , that there will be a building momentum ,

but, we'll see anyways.

I think that's going to prove to be quite a true statement, I think it will build towards a climax at the end, I think it will be paced more like V for Vendetta, rather than something like Fight Club. I hope someone understands what im saying by comparing the pacing, plot development, and climaxes in those two films.

Also, a word on what Nell is saying about *****ing. I don't think he's upset with the Negativity people are having about the film, (or maybe he is), I think he's upset about the negativity people are having about each others opinions. I myself have done it, and I think there could be many reasons, I think April/May is naturally a stressful time for most young adults for a variety of reasons and this may be translating through to the boards.

Anyway, with that said, there are many things that are making me second-guess the supposed brilliance of this film, but im still hoping for an enjoyable movie, all said and done, it's just a movie, just a movie, and not an important part of my general happiness.

I'm looking forward to the movie, if I enjoy it, Ill be happy. If its not brilliant, there are many other things to be happy about and im not going to dwell on it.

[TheVileOne]

Nell should be quiet. I never gave Nell crap about the Gambit whining.

[Maze]

I think April/May is naturally a stressful time for most young adults for a variety of reasons and this may be translating through to the boards.

lol!:D:up:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Or sentinels ;)

Nell , it will be nice if you have a little more understanding about why people are really *****ing..

i think a lot of people did have it with you and Gambit ( i'm not a fan , and i could understand why you were upset )

lol...

Understanding is the last thing I got with the Gambit situation.

I was told that I should get over it, he's not in it. Everyone told me how I should want to see the character, instead of letting me make the decision for myself. I've been told that I shouldn't care about one character, because the X-Men is bigger than any one character. I've been told I wasn't a true fan of the X-Men because I liked Gambit better than Kitty Pryde. People have gone into the official Gambit thread and told us to shut up about the character. There was no understanding for us Gambit fans.

But this isn't some kind of "out for revenge" thing, no. There's a difference. The difference being, I'm not running around calling this movie a failure because Gambit isn't in it. I've even acknowledged how adding characters like Kitty Pryde works better than Gambit for storytelling purposes, and I've apologized for my aggressive nature towards Kitty Pryde and her fans, because I realized I was out of line for my reaction towards her.

I might not agree with it, but people who say "I'm concerned over the runtime because of...", that's understandable. Do I agree with it? No.

But it's people "This movie HAS to be 2 and a half hours", "this movie is gonna suck", and officially dooming this movie because of the runtime is what I'm talking about. I never recall stating this movie was DOOMED because I didn't get to see Gambit, or might not get to see Sentinels. I stated that I feel those things should be in the movie, and the movie would be more enjoyable for me if I saw those things (as they are some of my favorite things in X-Men), but I never said the movie would suck. It's totally different.

And it's funny that you say that we're judging ONLY from the trailer (the people who are supportive of the film)... what exactly are the negative people judging it on? The AICN script review? Oh, that incomplete DRAFT that was reviewed like, a year ago, and the entire draft wasn't even reviewed? The same one that's also undergone extensive changes since the review? As has been proven by the fact that we've seen a lot of things since that were never included in that script, and the entire 3rd act has been reworked? That's what you're judging on?

Or are you judging it on the director, who is a big fan of the previous 2 movies, wants to keep the same tone, and at the same time is adding in even more of the comic book elements than Singer ever did, including the fan favorite Danger Room?

Or is it the writers? Simon Kinberg, who worked on LATE REVISIONS on movies like Fantastic 4, and wasn't a full part of that production? Or is it Zak Penn, who made the great X2 movie, and who's story was used for the most part by Singer, Hayter, Harris, etc...?

Oh, now you have to blame the studio. Cuz they made Fantastic 4 and Daredevil, which are very different from 'X-Men' even in the comics, and inherently came out as different movies (which weren't bad at all, by the way). Despite the fact that this is the same studio that churned out the first 2 beloved 'X-Men' movies. This is also the same studio that has churnned out movies like Titanic and Walk The Line... respectable movies to say the very least...

Questionable evidence at the least. Meanwhile, I'm over here praising what I've actually SEEN, with my own 2 eyes. Photage from 2 trailers and 3 TV commercials. Countless pictures. And I've seen a very limited number of trailers in my lifetime that had a comparable impact on my anticipation that X-Men 3's trailer had on me; Return of the King, Matrix Revolutions, Revenge of the Sith... all 3 of those movies had me utterly pumped up from the trailers. And the only one that disappointed in the least bit was Matrix Revolutions, a movie that one it's own was still pretty damned good. So the fact that X-Men 3 is in the same league as Revenge of the Sith and Return of the King in terms of trailer quality is a pretty damned good sign to me.

But no, I stated an obvious disappointment to NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE MY FAVORITE CHARACTER brought to life on the big screen, a disappointment to possibly not seeing what I consider to be the most definitive X-Men villian behind Magneto, and all of a sudden that is the same as running around like a chicken with my head cut off, declaring this movie a disaster of epic proportions because of a running time, despite the fact that nobody has seen this movie, and nobody knows how these stories are going to play out.

Yup, really the same thing there. You ****ing got me. ***** on. Despite the fact that you have no evidence to back up your *****es, and despite the fact that your *****es are obviously over-reacting, just go ahead and keep *****ing. Because my expression of disappointment is the same thing as declaring this movie a failure without anything to back it up.

:rolleyes::up:

[TNC9852002]

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Nell. You keep making sense to me lately...Uh, at least on the subject matter..

-TNC

[freshandclean]

I think that's going to prove to be quite a true statement, I think it will build towards a climax at the end, I think it will be paced more like V for Vendetta, rather than something like Fight Club. I hope someone understands what im saying by comparing the pacing, plot development, and climaxes in those two films.

Personally, I don't want it to be full throttle the whole time. I think it'll be better if there are those little moments that break up the action/intense scenes. But from what I've seen, i.e. the Iceman/Kitty ice dance, that might not be a problem.

Also, a word on what Nell is saying about *****ing. I don't think he's upset with the Negativity people are having about the film, (or maybe he is), I think he's upset about the negativity people are having about each others opinions. I myself have done it, and I think there could be many reasons, I think April/May is naturally a stressful time for most young adults for a variety of reasons and this may be translating through to the boards.

That's the exact opposite of what I got. In fact, he blatantly stated that it was the *****ing about the runtime that he was fed up with. If he was upset about the negativity people have about each other's opinons than that would be the height of hypocrisy on his part.

Anyway, with that said, there are many things that are making me second-guess the supposed brilliance of this film, but im still hoping for an enjoyable movie, all said and done, it's just a movie, just a movie, and not an important part of my general happiness.

I'm looking forward to the movie, if I enjoy it, Ill be happy. If its not brilliant, there are many other things to be happy about and im not going to dwell on it.

I agree.

[TheVileOne]

Nell the only person I see whining the most right now is you.

Settle.

[JustABill]

In the words of Gwen Stefani...


This **** is bananas. It's a movie people. See it before you pan. I also know more than likely, some of you are just being sheep to be with the ''in" crowd.

Oh, and Vile, no as I see it, the ones whining are the ones that are sitting here going ''AWW MAN! 1O3 MINUTES! WAHHHHH!"

Nell, has whined before, but he certainly isn't right now.

[zer00]

In the words of Gwen Stefani...


This **** is bananas. It's a movie people. See it before you pan. I also know more than likely, some of you are just being sheep to be with the ''in" crowd.

Oh, and Vile, no as I see it, the ones whining are the ones that are sitting here going ''AWW MAN! 1O3 MINUTES! WAHHHHH!"

Nell, has whined before, but he certainly isn't right now.

No I think this is the case with someone...oh my god disagreeing about something.

Sorry I don't like to get ****ed up the ass by Fox on a daily basis.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nell the only person I see whining the most right now is you.

Settle.

You are the LAST person who is in any place to call someone else a "whiner", and to tell them to "settle"...

[britrogue]

I just worry about the film seeming too rushed.

[JustABill]

Also, I just got done watching Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. The Final Fantasy stories and series are known for ''epic" awe inspiring stories. It was only 101 minutes!

An hour and 31 minutes! And it easily managed to convey it's epic followup story to the game in that time. If it can do it, this film can do it.

[JustABill]

****ed up the ass by Fox?

:rolleyes:

I'm not even gonna justify that one with a full fledged response.

[Maze]

There is not point in arguing right now , some people can't calm down and simply discuss , if they have different opinion.

And to think that we are talking about a movie ..

[zer00]

Also, I just got done watching Final Fantasy VI: Advent Children. The Final Fantasy stories and series are known for ''epic" awe inspiring stories. It was only 101 minutes!

An hour and 31 minutes! And it easily managed to convey it's epic followup story to the game in that time. If it can do it, this film can do it.

Awesome!:up:

Now go back to your individual character threads and let people not walk around like drones chanting "We like everything" over and over.

And stop *****ing about people not liking the idea of how long the movie is. They can. We all can. You're fine with it? Good for you buddy. But don't complain because you can't stand to see someone disagree with a creative decesion.

[zer00]

****ed up the ass by Fox?

:rolleyes:

I'm not even gonna justify that one with a full fledged response.

Yet you just did

[JustABill]

A full fledged response would be something with substance, that didn't deserve substance, so I gave you something that had no substance.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, they say.

[TNC9852002]

Whatever that means... :p

-TNC

[zer00]

A full fledged response would be something with substance, that didn't deserve substance, so I gave you something that had no substance.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, they say.

And ignore of a post with a post that means nothing. Thank you for proving you can show some intelligence and talk eye to eye with everyone.:up:


And if this running time doesn't work out. Won't your face be red:o

[JustABill]

Oh no. I'm not saying you don't have the right to your opinion, but some of you are jumping to conclusions over one simple decision. Whose to say that just cause the time is short, that the movie doesn't tell the story it needed to tell in that time?

Once again. WATCH THE MOVIE before jumping to conclusions.

As I recall jumping to conclusions has gotten people killed before....it's not as harsh here, but yeah.

[zer00]

Oh no. I'm not saying you don't have the right to your opinion, but some of you are jumping to conclusions over one simple decision. Whose to say that just cause the time is short, that the movie doesn't tell the story it needed to tell in that time?

Once again. WATCH THE MOVIE before jumping to conclusions.

As I recall jumping to conclusions has gotten people killed before....it's not as harsh here, but yeah.

It probobly wouldn't bother me as much if I didn't see how editing a movie down by Fox took out pacing and the overall plot of 2 other Marvel films(no I'm not counting Elektra...let's just pretend that didn't happen..though I've never seen the film personally...whyy the would I...I mean...did you see the trailer for that thing it was....and I'm getting off topic) so yes I am worried. I can only take Simon's word so far because truthfully I've heard it before right down to the guy who made the edits for Fox on DD. So I pray that it all works out and hearing the script was 125 pages gives me some more hope. But it bugs the **** out of me that they could have possibly gotten away with this yet again. Since so far this is the ONLY thing about X-3 that I don't like.

[JustABill]

Okay. Now, I take back what I said in the other thread. I misjudged you clearly. So I sir, apologize to you.

Yes, in the back of my head. I do have the worry of what happen to DD and F4, but I'm trying to keep optimistic and think ''Hey, I've not seen the movie yet.'

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well the movie wasn't edited down.

[FieryBalrog]

Its like they go out of their way to make the same mistakes over and over again. It doesnt make sense from any perspective. Not aesthetic, we saw how that worked out. Not profit, we saw how that worked out also.

Not one ~1:30 superhero movie has worked. The closest we got was X1, and run-time was a big problem with that movie also. And this movie has 2 times the characters and supposedly an "epic" plot (which X1 certainly didn't have).

[RedIsNotBlue]

It probobly wouldn't bother me as much if I didn't see how editing a movie down by Fox took out pacing and the overall plot of 2 other Marvel films(no I'm not counting Elektra...let's just pretend that didn't happen..though I've never seen the film personally...whyy the would I...I mean...did you see the trailer for that thing it was....and I'm getting off topic) so yes I am worried. I can only take Simon's word so far because truthfully I've heard it before right down to the guy who made the edits for Fox on DD. So I pray that it all works out and hearing the script was 125 pages gives me some more hope. But it bugs the **** out of me that they could have possibly gotten away with this yet again. Since so far this is the ONLY thing about X-3 that I don't like.

Yeah I have the same kind of feelings. X3 is still my number one movie to see this summer and I hope it is the best of the 3 but this is disheartening to see yet another history repeating itself situation at Fox.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Its like they go out of their way to make the same mistakes over and over again. It doesnt make sense from any perspective. Not aesthetic, we saw how that worked out. Not profit, we saw how that worked out also.

Yes profit. You know how much money they rake in from all of the other **** they put out??

[zer00]

Well the movie wasn't edited down.
And Alan Cumming was really happy at the premiere of X-2.

[TheVileOne]

You are the LAST person who is in any place to call someone else a "whiner", and to tell them to "settle"...

I never gave you crap about Gambit.

[TheVileOne]

Oh no. I'm not saying you don't have the right to your opinion, but some of you are jumping to conclusions over one simple decision. Whose to say that just cause the time is short, that the movie doesn't tell the story it needed to tell in that time?

Once again. WATCH THE MOVIE before jumping to conclusions.

As I recall jumping to conclusions has gotten people killed before....it's not as harsh here, but yeah.

Hey, a lot of people here haven't watched the movie but have already jumped to the conclusion that it will be a perfect, great movie and even better than the Singer ones. So . . . equivalent exchange :p .

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And Alan Cumming was really happy at the premiere of X-2.

Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn have all said numerous times that only 1 scene was cut, a 30 second scene. Everything that they filmed will be in the movie.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I never gave you crap about Gambit.

Your point?

[freshandclean]

99% of what is being discussed on these boards is assumption. Even people who are confident about the film are basing it off of assumptions (i.e. assuming the trailer is indicitive of the film.) I have no problem with people giving reasons for why people shouldn't be worried or explaining how a shorter film doesn't necessarily mean lesser quality. That's how discussion works. But I disagree with telling people that their assumptions are stupid and tiresome, but their assumptions about how great the film will be aren't. We're all in the same boat here. No one knows the quality of the film as of yet so we're basing it on information we receive daily, and this piece of information is a negative in some people's minds.

[TheVileOne]

Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn have all said numerous times that only 1 scene was cut, a 30 second scene. Everything that they filmed will be in the movie.
That doesn't make the production of the movie any less rushed and a train wreck that it was.

Ratner even said they barely had anything prepped before he came on.

[CrypticOne]

I don't really care how long the movie is, as long as it 1. Kicks a**. 2. Pyro whoops Iceman's a**. At least we know that it's longer than a hour and a half, that's fine with me.

[TheVileOne]

Your point?

You seem to be making a lot of how people came down on you about that which I didn't. And you seem to be making a lot about some valid concerns people have about the movie, so I think you should lay off already and let us have our concerns.

[zer00]

Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn have all said numerous times that only 1 scene was cut, a 30 second scene. Everything that they filmed will be in the movie.

I've also heard that before...from people not affiliated with Fox just for an fyi.

So I don't believe nuddin until I see summthin

[FieryBalrog]

Yes profit. You know how much money they rake in from all of the other **** they put out??

I'm talking about making a ****ty movie. That usually doesnt turn a profit, or nearly as much of a profit as a good movie. Elektra, DD and F4 all made a crapload less than the X-men movies, which in turn made a lot less than the Spiderman movies. ****ty movies dont make money. Rushing the production schedule, juggling directors and making a threadbare 1:35 movie is not a recipe for success. Its been tried before.

But somehow Fox thinks aha, this time, this time hurriedly throwing eggs in the pan will somehow result in a world-class omelet.

[JustABill]

Wasn't there a case like this with RoTS? I didn't follow that film's production, but I recall hearing something about a confusion over runtime.

That was also a Fox production.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Isn't the screenplay like 125 pages?? If so it doesn't add up with the current running time. Sounds like some things possibly weren't even filmed.

[JustABill]

Why would they purposely not film that much stuff though? o_O.

Something isn't right about the situation PERIOD.

[freshandclean]

You seem to be making a lot of how people came down on you about that which I didn't. And you seem to be making a lot about some valid concerns people have about the movie, so I think you should lay off already and let us have our concerns.

I don't even agree with TheVileOne in general but I have to agree that concerns over the runtime are valid. If something like the opening sequence is a valid concern to you, why can't something that might possibly effect the enjoyment of the film by others be just as valid, if not moreso? You talk a lot about arrogance but some of your statements, i.e "And quite frankly, I don't want to be sitting in the movie theatres the whole time, thinking about how this, that, or the other thing proves all the nay-sayers wrong, and I was right from the get go." are quite arrogant themselves. As if you have some inside scoop that everyone else doesn't.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm talking about making a ****ty movie. That usually doesnt turn a profit, or nearly as much of a profit as a good movie. Elektra, DD and F4 all made a crapload less than the X-men movies, which in turn made a lot less than the Spiderman movies. ****ty movies dont make money. Rushing the production schedule, juggling directors and making a threadbare 1:35 movie is not a recipe for success. Its been tried before.

But somehow Fox thinks aha, this time, this time hurriedly throwing eggs in the pan will somehow result in a world-class omelet.

Well like Zer00 said Elektra was Fox's only real mistake PROFIT-wise of course. DD, X1 and X2, and F4 made them a damn good amount of money.

[freshandclean]

Isn't the screenplay like 125 pages?? If so it doesn't add up with the current running time. Sounds like some things possibly weren't even filmed.

From my understanding, the film is very dialogue heavy which could explain the longer screenplay.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why would they purposely not film that much stuff though? o_O.

Something isn't right about the situation PERIOD.

Rushed schedule. It is possible but I hope that isn't the case. They didn't have enough time so dropped some scenes they thought they could do without. Its not too far fetched.

[FieryBalrog]

Why would they purposely not film that much stuff though? o_O.

Something isn't right about the situation PERIOD.

These are the genius masterminds who made Elektra, Daredevil, Blade Trinity, Alien vs. Predator, and Fantastic Four.

[FieryBalrog]

Well like Zer00 said Elektra was Fox's only real mistake PROFIT-wise of course. DD, X1 and X2, and F4 made them a damn good amount of money.

again, good movies make MORE money than bad movies. If Fantastic Four was better it would have made more money. Daredevil didn't make much money and Fantastic Four was meh, ok. X2 made more money than X1 even thought it was a sequel, simply because it was a much better movie.

[JustABill]

That's a hell of alot of script though that either was filmed and cut, or not filmed at all. Hell, that much could potentially lead to NOTHING in the film making sense at all.

No director/screenwriter would butcher his movie that bad. I'm sorry. Not even Uwe Boll would do that to his film. This reaks of something else, but not the crew/production team/Ratner's fault.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't even agree with TheVileOne in general but I have to agree that concerns over the runtime are valid. If something like the opening sequence is a valid concern to you, why can't something that might possibly effect the enjoyment of the film by others be just as valid, if not moreso? You talk a lot about arrogance but some of your statements, i.e "And quite frankly, I don't want to be sitting in the movie theatres the whole time, thinking about how this, that, or the other thing proves all the nay-sayers wrong, and I was right from the get go." are quite arrogant themselves. As if you have some inside scoop that everyone else doesn't.

Except I'm not complaining about people having concerns.

My problem is with people who have declared this as an utter disaster because of the runtime, and are acting like there is no possible way this movie can be done properly now.

[X-Maniac]

Well, I guess we have to have faith..and wait till we see the actual film.

Doesn't sound like there's any extra film footage for an extended DVD cut, which is a shame. I'm a great fan of extended DVD cuts, they normally improve the movie, and make it more tantalising than simply buying the 'normal' edition. (Daredevil, Hellboy and Alexander being instances that spring to mind).

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That's a hell of alot of script though that either was filmed and cut, or not filmed at all. Hell, that much could potential lead to NOTHING in the film making sense at all.

No director/screenwriter would butcher his movie that bad. I'm sorry. Not even Uwe Boll would do that to his film. This reaks of something else, but not the crew/production team/Ratner's fault.

Kinberg also said that the 1 page = 1 minute rule doesn't always apply. I think he mentioned the Mr. & Mrs. Smith script, saying it was 138 pages, but the movie was only 120 minutes....

[FieryBalrog]

Except I'm not complaining about people having concerns.

My problem is with people who have declared this as an utter disaster because of the runtime, and are acting like there is no possible way this movie can be done properly now.

Uh, its not just the runtime. Sure, if you pretend thats the only bad sign about this whole production, it doesnt make much sense.

And yea, I dont think this movie is being done properly. Runtime is PART of why I feel that way, and yes its important.

[freshandclean]

again, good movies make MORE money than bad movies. If Fantastic Four was better it would have made more money. Daredevil didn't make much money and Fantastic Four was meh, ok. X2 made more money than X1 even thought it was a sequel, simply because it was a much better movie.

That's not necessarily true. A lot of good movies don't make money simply because studios don't think they'll appeal to the general public and thus don't put any marketing money towards (i.e. a lot of indie films). But I agree that a studio will make more money investing in a well put together big budget movie than scrapping together a "get rich quick" film that will probably open big but peter out pretty quickly which is what happens to a majority of films.

[FieryBalrog]

That's not necessarily true. A lot of good movies don't make money simply because studios don't think they'll appeal to the general public and thus don't put any marketing money towards (i.e. a lot of indie films). But I agree that a studio will make more money investing in a well put together big budget movie than scrapping together a "get rich quick" film that will probably open big but peter out pretty quickly which is what happens to a majority of films.
True, but the indies arent the concern here, I'm talking about blockbusters. Its simply a fact that good big-budget movies generally make a lot more money than terrible big-budget movies, especially in the long run because they open up the road to sequels, spinoffs, merchandising, DVD sales, etc.

Its especially true with superhero movies. Is there a single bad superhero movie that has made more money than something like Spiderman 2 or X-men 2?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Uh, its not just the runtime. Sure, if you pretend thats the only bad sign about this whole production, it doesnt make much sense.

And yea, I dont think this movie is being done properly. Runtime is PART of why I feel that way, and yes its important.

Well in my mind, the runtime isn't even a problem, and neither is much of anything else.

This movie had a very similar schedule to that of X2, and that movie turned out well, and wasn't rushed. There's no reason why this movie would be any different.

[freshandclean]

Except I'm not complaining about people having concerns.

My problem is with people who have declared this as an utter disaster because of the runtime, and are acting like there is no possible way this movie can be done properly now.

And you proclaiming it's going to be 100% awesome is different how exactly? You're making the exact same assumption except in the opposite direction.

[XBoy]

As long as it's quality, I don't mind 103 minutes. That's fine with me.

[RedIsNotBlue]

again, good movies make MORE money than bad movies. If Fantastic Four was better it would have made more money. Daredevil didn't make much money and Fantastic Four was meh, ok. X2 made more money than X1 even thought it was a sequel, simply because it was a much better movie.

Your still not getting the business side of it. Fox usually puts out 2 or 3 dvds of a movie which easily makes them alot more profit cause fans will buy any crap they put out. Fox thinks about selling more and more. And you would be wrong in saying good movies make more than bad movies. I wish that were the case. Technically FF made more than BB. :(

[XBoy]

I had no idea FF made more money than Batman?

Reall?

[FieryBalrog]

Your still not getting the business side of it. Fox usually puts out 2 or 3 dvds of a movie which easily makes them alot more profit cause fans will buy any crap they put out. Fox thinks about selling more and more. And you would be wrong in saying good movies make more than bad movies. I wish that were the case. Technically FF made more than BB. :(

I'm so glad Marvel is done with Fox. Fox blows in terms of taking care of its superhero franchises. So much potential is dead in the water thanks to this studio.

[freshandclean]

True, but the indies arent the concern here, I'm talking about blockbusters. Its simply a fact that good big-budget movies generally make a lot more money than terrible big-budget movies, especially in the long run because they open up the road to sequels, spinoffs, merchandising, DVD sales, etc.

Which is what I agreed with you on. I just wanted to inject that good movies don't always necessarily mean profit which is why a lot of crappy movies are made, so they can recoup their losses on good films that they think no one will want to see, but can always sucker viewers in with a good trailer but crappy movie.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm so glad Marvel is done with Fox. Fox blows in terms of taking care of its superhero franchises. So much potential is dead in the water thanks to this studio.

Marvel is done with Fox?? :confused:

[FieryBalrog]

I dont think F4 made more than BB. IMDB stats have BB at least 60-70 million dollars ahead, 35 million dollars ahead net when taking into account BB had a bigger budget.

[FieryBalrog]

Marvel is done with Fox?? :confused:

They set up their own studio to make films from Marvel comics.

I dont know when they get the X-men rights back, but I cant wait. Maybe in ten years we can have a reboot.

[JustABill]

Off topic: When does the film show at Cannes? Like is there an exact date?

[RedIsNotBlue]

They set up their own studio to make films from Marvel comics.

I dont know when they get the X-men rights back, but I cant wait. Maybe in ten years we can have a reboot.

You forgetting Silver Surfer and the F4 sequels?? And if X3 is a hit you better expect an X4.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I dont think F4 made more than BB. IMDB stats have BB at least 60-70 million dollars ahead, 35 million dollars ahead net when taking into account BB had a bigger budget.

Well I am talking worldwide box office. Taking into account the budgets I think FF might made more...not much though. But still my point still stands...****ty movies can make money just as well as great ones.

[Downhere]

I think X3 will be shown at Cannes a week before it hits theaters, at least I thought I read that somewhere.

[XBoy]

I really don't see the big deal, guys.

[Radford]

this running time stuff, strongly affirms my belief that they are just trying to finish with this trilogy as cheap as they can without making it too obvious. thus so they can get into the spinoffs and possible new X Men movie series.



im not saying this means it will suck, i believe it will actually be the best of the 3, i just think theyre trying to get this trilogy over with.

[Sunstar]

I just worry about the film seeming too rushed.

I agree! It seems like the movie will rush into things because of the short running time! In order to keep everyone interested you need to keep it at a steady pace with a bit of eye candy here and there but not the endless action we see in alot of movies (especially Fox films) lately!

I feel if they spend more time emphasising the story and have short but memorable action scenes I might enjoy the movie more! Thats how the previous films were! They focused alot on the characters and their issues and they didn't need over the top action and special effects to tell the story and thats what made the X-men films unique and interesting!

I fear that due to the short running time Fox might inundate us with all these fantastic action scenes, in the hope that it will be enough to keep us happy but it won't 'coz the general public and comic book fans are more intelligent nowadays and want more than that but Fox is too close minded and feel that a short film with tons of eye candy = good film! :down

[lordofthenerds]

Not that bad. He just said that its around the 105 minutes, he didn't confirm it. So we could still get a little bit of a larger run time.

[antonydavanzo]

I couldnt care if its as long ( or short ) as they are saying. IMO the run time doesnt ruin a movie, and if X3 is ***** then it will be because of the Director/script and editing not the run time. I have read on here that some people wont see X3 because of this timing and I say get a life!!!

[The Batman]

I was, but I started posting again, so I took the "M.I.A." tag out of my sig and custom title. I've been posting regularly again for a couple weeks now.

But with all this unfounded negativity, I might just end up pulling a WorthyStevens. I'm really getting tired of coming here, only to find everyone *****ing about the runtime of this movie. It got really old a long time ago. Now it's becoming more than annoying. It's becoming really frustrating, and somewhat agitating. This forum hasn't been too enjoyable the past couple of days. And quite frankly, I don't want to be sitting in the movie theatres the whole time, thinking about how this, that, or the other thing proves all the nay-sayers wrong, and I was right from the get go. I wanna concentrate on enjoying the movie, not proving VileOne wrong.

By all means...stop whining. This goes for all of you who wanna act diva-ish and want to make some grand, big exit with a 5 paragraph post talking about how you're not happy any more. If you're gonna leave, leave, but if you not, stop complaining because people are mad about the runtime, which is justifiable by the way given fox's track record.

[GNR]

By all means...stop whining. This goes for all of you who wanna act diva-ish and want to make some grand, big exit with a 5 paragraph post talking about how you're not happy any more. If you're gonna leave, leave, but if you not, stop complaining because people are mad about the runtime, which is justifiable by the way given fox's track record.

:up:

[Roma]

Hmm well my first instinct is to say that the running time sucks but that's just the X-Men fan speaking. As an X-Men fan I think only a movie around 3 or 4 hours would make me squil with joy :p
BUT after reading mr.Kinberg's explenation I'm gonna wait AFTER I've seen the movie to judge if the running time was a wrong choice for the movie.

From now untill May 24th I'm only thinking possitive thoughts, this movie will rock :up:

[CapBeerCino]

From now untill May 24th I'm only thinking possitive thoughts, this movie will rock :up:

You had time to come to terms with it, but in the name of those of us who just woke up: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :mad::(

[Roma]

You had time to come to terms with it, but in the name of those of us who just woke up: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :mad::(

The runntime has been on here since last week after the Cannes Festival website posted it, so we all have had some time :p
And I'm tired of mood changes after every bit of news that comes out :O

[MoiBijou]

I hope it's 103 min WITHOUT credits. With credits it would be a 113-120 min movie, so it's still OK...

BUT if it's WITH credits, then... well... in a quick way of speech: it sucks.

I think it is too short for an "epic" (remember, Mr. Arad?) movie, but I'll try to keep my pessimism low until I watch the movie.

[CapBeerCino]

The runntime has been on here since last week after the Cannes Festival website posted it, so we all have had some time :p
And I'm tired of mood changes after every bit of news that comes out :O

Yeah, but who really believed that b4 :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's going to be a looooooonng 5 weeks....:(

*sigh*

[Roma]

Yeah, but who really believed that b4 :p

I had this nagging feeling it might be true, the Cannes Festival need to know runningtimes to plan everything.

[Roma]

It's going to be a looooooonng 5 weeks....:(

*sigh*

But a short movie :p





Sorry couldn't resist :D

[CapBeerCino]

I had this nagging feeling it might be true, the Cannes Festival need to know runningtimes to plan everything.

Yeah, but still I was like "yeah right".
:eek: Kinda like I am with Cyclops...


:(

[CapBeerCino]

But a short movie :p


Evil yet funny :D

[Roma]

Yeah, but still I was like "yeah right".
:eek: Kinda like I am with Cyclops...


:(

I'm staying far far away from the whole Cyclops debate :p

Evil yet funny :D

Moves pinky to mouth :D

[CapBeerCino]

Moves pinky to mouth :D

You're not getting ONE MILLION DOLLAR so dont even try :p