Bigger is Better. Elements I want in the sequels

[chosen1]

I just want to start off by saying this movie rocks. I know most people are saying Duh. But everytime I watch the movie. I'm like they struck gold this movie smoked star wars. Anyway I loved the movie But I just want to share w/ you guy's things I want to see in the sequel and hopefully get some ideas circulated and some feedback here we go....

1. I want to see more of wayne manor. Now I know the movie is about Bruce wayne coming in to batman that's why batman Begins was Perfect But in the movie It looked like they only showed one side of his house and from the angle it really did'nt look that big and I know the House is huge. In all of the comics / tv shows he has lived by a river of some sort I know this is the case w/ the movie because there is a freakin waterfall in his cave. But the only scenery w/ a good view I saw was when he was w/ rachel after his house burned down and it was all Green fields still beautiful but where is the water again has to be on the other side But I know he lives a phat life style I want to see more of his House.

2. I also want to see an expansion of the cave. I'm sure this will happen but to have him explore the cave further and discover different areas would be cool so we could kind of get a feel of things to come as far as him setting up shop.

3. I don't want the mob factor to disappear. I know Joker and penguin are all considered Organized crime. But I also want batman just like in begins to deal w/ the ordanary criminals

Question: Where are you guy's getting this info about Carmine having a nephew running the business and other mob families in the Batman Universe????? Let me know

4. Somewher in the sequels I would like to see Gordon as he is being promoted through the ranks be on edge a little. Let me explain. I want some talk going around that he has been working w/ the Batman to take down crime and if he is to be promoted to commish I want him to be question by city council members as far as his involvment in those rumors more importantly I want some kind of reaction from the organized crime families on this rumor. For example if I was the head of an Organized Syndicate and rumors were flying around that A police captain was allowing a vigilante to stop crime and he was succeeding and if that captain was to be promoted to Commmish which is top dog dont answer to No one if youre getting results. Me ass a Mob Boss is going to do something about it. to have a twist like that would be cool maybe have an assasination attempt on Gordon's for that very reason would be a nice twist.


More to come

Thoughts?
Disagreements?

[Super Flight]

yea i would like to see more of his house.
and i would also like to see him expand the cave as well, but actually show us the progression of what he is putting down there, and actually go into detial on different machines and more lucas fox stuff that hed put in the bat cave

[Ronny Shade]

I agree with everything you said, chosen

[StorminNorman]

Grammar Harvey Dent is not amused - but Grammar Two Face is delighted.

The ideas are very good though.

[shaggyaggie457]

I think it's pretty obvious they'll expand the cave in the sequel, Bruce and Alfred talked about renovations to the foundations in the southwest corner at the end of Begins. But since this movie is set a couple years after Begins, the renovations will probably already be done.

I like the idea of Gordon's police promotions not going perfectly smooth. That could play out interestingly. Especially if there are still lots of crooked cops and city officials like there were in Begins.

[darwinwins]

two words: GIANT PENNY.

[Two-Face]

two words: GIANT PENNY.


WTF?? NO!

[darwinwins]

sissy.

[Dark Guardian]

WTF?? NO!
You know, I think if Nolan could dream up one awesome way for that to come in, and not make it cheesy in any way, it would be really cool.

[StorminNorman]

Nolan is a genius - but no one is that good.

[Stringer]

I agree with what you said but I dont want Gordon being promoted to Commish until the end of the third movie.

[hotrain33]

I agree that gordon should not be commisioner at least until the third film. In the second film it would be nice to see batman learning to be a great detective. Maybe he learns on line via the internet. Also Scarecrow was never arrested so it would be fitting for batman to catch him in the first act. I like the idea of Harvy Dent in the sequel. He can make a pact with the dark knight to find the Joker.

[DorkyFresh]

the ONLY thing i want...

...ZOOM OUT FOR THE FIGHT SCENES DAMMIT!!! no quick cuts and short shots! i want to be able to see the fights CLEARLY this time dammit! that's ALL i want for the sequel...

[Ronny Shade]

the ONLY thing i want...

...ZOOM OUT FOR THE FIGHT SCENES DAMMIT!!! no quick cuts and short shots! i want to be able to see the fights CLEARLY this time dammit! that's ALL i want for the sequel...
You fail :down

[DorkyFresh]

You fail :down
why's that? because i actually like watching the fight as opposed to seeing a bunch of quick blurs on the screen?

[Ronny Shade]

yes

[DorkyFresh]

GREAT comeback! you sure won that debate! :rolleyes:

[Ronny Shade]

No I'm being stupid. I know everybody wants to see the fights. I dislike this idea. Part of the genius that was Batman Begins was that you see Batman through the eyes of those he's confronting. When he talks to Gordon he's a man. When he interrogates Flass he's a monster. A beast. The shooting of him as a beast in the fight scenes gave him an animalistic intensity that is so necessary for Bale/Nolan's Batman. He needs to be uncontrollable. Ferocious. Showing Woo Ping Yuen style choreography would destroy this feeling.

[DorkyFresh]

i'm not saying show Woo Ping martial arts wire-fu choreography, i'm saying....use the same choreographer they have now but with the same kind of camera angles and shots as say...

...the Hunted, Blade (the first one), or Bourne Identity. out of all the movies with 'fight scenes' those 3 stick out in my mind as to how the fight scenes should be done because those 3 movies show the choreography in all of it's beautiful brutality (if that makes sense) without making it seem like a showdown in Chinatown.

[darwinwins]

a bazooka with a boxing glove attatchment would be pretty cool, too -- in the hands of harley, of course.

[Ronny Shade]

i'm not saying show Woo Ping martial arts wire-fu choreography, i'm saying....use the same choreographer they have now but with the same kind of camera angles and shots as say...

...the Hunted, Blade (the first one), or Bourne Identity. out of all the movies with 'fight scenes' those 3 stick out in my mind as to how the fight scenes should be done because those 3 movies show the choreography in all of it's beautiful brutality (if that makes sense) without making it seem like a showdown in Chinatown.
Those are good examples, but they didn't have the ferocity and raw disorienting intensity that the fighting in Begins had.

[DorkyFresh]

i'll agree that they're not as disorienting as the fights in Begins, but that's not what i want to see and that's not always the best way to go. disorienting can be a bad thing for people who get nauseous easily.

and i disagree that the fights in the movies i mentioned weren't as intense or ferocious as the fights in Begins. i've seen UFC fights that were more intense than the fights in Begins....but that's only my opinion. which is why we're here right? to express our opinions? well....my opinion is that the camera angles were too close and the shots were too quick. ;)

[Ronny Shade]

Yeah and my opinion is that they worked well. I'm guessing Nolan agrees with me, but I won't be pissed if he pulls them back a little.

[Two-Face]

You know, I think if Nolan could dream up one awesome way for that to come in, and not make it cheesy in any way, it would be really cool.


Still NO!:down

[Motown Marvel]

Those are good examples, but they didn't have the ferocity and raw disorienting intensity that the fighting in Begins had.

when your watching an ACTION movie, you want to be able to make out the action. its near impossible to think back to begins and be able to specifically remember any sort of fight sequence. when a fight scene finishes, the audience shouldnt be like, "wait, what the f**k just happened? did they just fight? i dunno...." there are plenty of ways to film a fight sequence and keeps the ferocity and rawness, but still make the fight more clear. if a director is flying though quick cuts and close ups, its an obvious sign that they dont know how to direct a fight sequence. i appreciate the idea behind nolan's intentions with the scenes, but the fact is it just didnt work in the execution.

[darwinwins]

don't be dumb, of course it worked. the sequence with the warehouses and crap was full of whams bams and razzmatazz in dizzying edits but before that was the stuff of bruce training and those weren't full of the heavy disorientating edits and neither was the confrontation with ra's at the end. he clearly had the scenes well crafted and they were well executed.

[Sandman138]

No I'm being stupid. I know everybody wants to see the fights. I dislike this idea. Part of the genius that was Batman Begins was that you see Batman through the eyes of those he's confronting. When he talks to Gordon he's a man. When he interrogates Flass he's a monster. A beast. The shooting of him as a beast in the fight scenes gave him an animalistic intensity that is so necessary for Bale/Nolan's Batman. He needs to be uncontrollable. Ferocious. Showing Woo Ping Yuen style choreography would destroy this feeling.
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[Lobster Charlie]

don't be dumb, of course it worked. the sequence with the warehouses and crap was full of whams bams and razzmatazz in dizzying edits but before that was the stuff of bruce training and those weren't full of the heavy disorientating edits and neither was the confrontation with ra's at the end. he clearly had the scenes well crafted and they were well executed.

exactly..was just about to post this.

If anything, the fights were just too short. I know Batman kicks ass and all that...but damn!

[Stringer]

don't be dumb, of course it worked. the sequence with the warehouses and crap was full of whams bams and razzmatazz in dizzying edits but before that was the stuff of bruce training and those weren't full of the heavy disorientating edits and neither was the confrontation with ra's at the end. he clearly had the scenes well crafted and they were well executed.
While the fights against Ra's werent heavily edited like the fights against goons, they still were still too many quick cuts and can be improved in the sequel, and need to be improved imo.

[chosen1]

I cant think of anything to talk about in these boards.

[iceberg325]

Maybe Nolan made the quick cuts because the fighting in the bat suit doesn look good. Look at Batman forever, batman looked funny fighting. The movement in the suit is very limited. The quick cuts make it seem like batman is doing alot. I think its actually smart to show the fights that way.

[The Kid]

that's what I thought. It's like how they shot darth vader mostly in closeup because he couldn't move well when fighting and it'd look weird to see the stunt man struggling to swing. Notice how much faster nd awesoeme the fighting in the prequels is because there were no restrictions on movement for the fighters. hmm... good call. It's an oldschool trick to hide things in movies. they used fog in empire strike back which helped hide vader's poor movement. Then in one shot they just had vader use the force to fight luke. that was great... poor nolan. I believe the suit is partly why he used so many quick edits and closeups...

to me the rapid edits just didn't show anything. No clear idea what was happening at all. let me edit to clarify this part. I know what nolan wanted with the warehouse fight, and all the parts where batman plays the boogey man against teh criminals. It works perfectly. But when he's not pouncing around out of shadows and is clearly having a one on one or one on five brawl, you can't see a thing. and it was the same when he fought those guys in the mud at the beginning. it's a mess and I hope he figures something out for this one so we at least know who's doing what when.

I want to see batman do his batman thing this time. like in the comics.

edit: just had another thought. everyone pisses on the daredevil movie and yeah the original cut was pretty bad but you have to give some respect to how the fights were filmed (the non cgi parts anyway) those were pretty good. (oh no, not the playground fight though. wtf was that crap) Something more along those lines with batman kicking teeth out and swinging on fans would be pretty nice, I think. you still get the sense that he's a demon haunting criminals, you can see what's going on pretty well, and he moves like an animal, in and out, flipping all over the place kicking butt too. what say you?

[Kritish]

I like everything you said.

[DV8]

whams bams and razzmatazz

YES!! funny, awesome post . . . and a good point you make . . . :up:

[Dark Phantom]

All I care is that the climax of the Batman/Joker battle is taken slowly, with great care and pacing. I don't want anything in the sense where Batman beats him up in a 2 second blur. I want it very similar to Spidey vs Green Goblin. Some slow motion punches followed by fast uppercuts.

However, since Joker does not have the fighting skills like Batman, he should have a few tricks up his sleeve to weaken Batman. Maybe an abandoned stage theater, toystore, circus, etc... It's very cliche, but it could be pulled off. Just think about Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker. The flashback scene to Joker's death was brilliantly played out.

I want to see the Joker lurking in the shadows and playing tricks on Batman. Dropping large objects, explosions, Joker-themed deadily devices. Anything to give Joker the upperhand and when Batman is weakened, Joker takes advantage and tries to beat the pulp out of Batman as fast as he can. Imagine it, Batman becoming the underdog and rising again to fully unleash all his anger on Joker. Watch Patient J, that scene would also help out.

So in general we need the elements of Batman 89', Return of the Joker, Spiderman and Patient J in the final battle

[Fanticon]

I wanna see a little less hang gliding and more grapling the swinging building to building thing is just as cool, visually and still a realistic way for him to move around the city's roof tops.

[iceberg325]

All I care is that the climax of the Batman/Joker battle is taken slowly, with great care and pacing. I don't want anything in the sense where Batman beats him up in a 2 second blur. I want it very similar to Spidey vs Green Goblin. Some slow motion punches followed by fast uppercuts.

However, since Joker does not have the fighting skills like Batman, he should have a few tricks up his sleeve to weaken Batman. Maybe an abandoned stage theater, toystore, circus, etc... It's very cliche, but it could be pulled off. Just think about Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker. The flashback scene to Joker's death was brilliantly played out.

I want to see the Joker lurking in the shadows and playing tricks on Batman. Dropping large objects, explosions, Joker-themed deadily devices. Anything to give Joker the upperhand and when Batman is weakened, Joker takes advantage and tries to beat the pulp out of Batman as fast as he can. Imagine it, Batman becoming the underdog and rising again to fully unleash all his anger on Joker. Watch Patient J, that scene would also help out.

So in general we need the elements of Batman 89', Return of the Joker, Spiderman and Patient J in the final battle

That would be cool.

[Shedhut]

haha, I was thinkin about somethin funny. What about Joker having Batman in a lethal trap similar to and as an hommage to the traps in the Adam West series. Not as comically of course.

[Malone]

These are a few things that I want/don't want in BB2:

1. Do not change Batman or Bruce Wayne in terms of appearance, attitude, or personality. I don't want the bat suit to change at all, and I don't want Batman to get silly like he did in the other movie series, making jokes and other nonsense.
2. Do not add any extra characters to this film unless they have something very relevant to do with the plot of the movie.
3. Have Batman basically use the same weapons, don't use any of those fancy gadgets that were used in the other series. No hi-tech gadgets.
4. Make a good plot where everything fits in at the end of the movie, just like in Begins. Make good dialogue and get good actors for the new roles.
5. This movie should be the same characters, just the way they were, but in a new situation.

[Shoemeister]

What I want in the sequel:

1. Batman
2. More Gordon
3. Liev Schreiber

Hmm. Sounds good.

[saint sinner x]

I would like to see explosive realistic action just like in terminator 2 only batman begins style. I want the fights to be the same in terms of speed because the battles in batman begins was very rugit, brutal and fast it was extremely bad ass, but i want the camera far instead of being close. I want batman to fight using ninjitsu techniqes and a bit of keysi because keysi is a great martial art. It would make more sense that batman use ninjitsu because batman is a ninja. I want a bat motorcycle chase and i would like to see bruce wayne training very brutal in wayne manor. I want a character to could give batman some challenge in terms of hand to hand combat someone who is physical threatening. I want the joker to just be more psychotic and retardedly crazy but i want him to be more smarter then what he is in the 1989 batman film. I want plot twist that will blow everyone away and i want to see alot of dark elements i want batman begins 2 to be the most darkest rated PG-13 film ever and of course drama is also good:)

[iceberg325]

I want to see the batcave get expanded. I think the cowl should be changed a little bit. Looks a little funny. A bigger bat signal lol. The one in BB was too small lol.

[chosen1]

I want to see the batcave get expanded. I think the cowl should be changed a little bit. Looks a little funny. A bigger bat signal lol. The one in BB was too small lol.


good man :up:

I dont know about the cowl and the signal though they were fine. what did you not like about the cowl?

[chosen1]

These are a few things that I want/don't want in BB2:


3. Have Batman basically use the same weapons, don't use any of those fancy gadgets that were used in the other series. No hi-tech gadgets.
.

No way will they have batman use the exact same gadgets he used in begins. Of course he needs new stuff c'mon dog.

He needs to upgrade the grapple gun so its more compact so he could fit more on his belt rather than just having the one. He needs more gadgets and as for being hightech the scope he threw to the kid was about as high tech as it gets.

[Ox Elf]

edit: just had another thought. everyone pisses on the daredevil movie and yeah the original cut was pretty bad but you have to give some respect to how the fights were filmed (the non cgi parts anyway) those were pretty good. (oh no, not the playground fight though. wtf was that crap) Something more along those lines with batman kicking teeth out and swinging on fans would be pretty nice, I think. you still get the sense that he's a demon haunting criminals, you can see what's going on pretty well, and he moves like an animal, in and out, flipping all over the place kicking butt too. what say you?
Yes, the bar fight in DD was awesome.

[chosen1]

I want the same Tumbler but w/ a sleaker Front and minor mods to the body but so minor that you could still tell it was the same car.

[Ongie]

I think Nolan should get a talented second unit crew to shoot more of the action stuff.
That's the only minor qualm I had with Batman Begins.... The action shots were very shaky and hard to follow.
Perhaps it was for effect... but I'd like to get a better look at things the second time around.

[Ongie]

Double post... ERRGH!

[NinjaTurtleFan]

All I care is that the climax of the Batman/Joker battle is taken slowly, with great care and pacing. I don't want anything in the sense where Batman beats him up in a 2 second blur. I want it very similar to Spidey vs Green Goblin. Some slow motion punches followed by fast uppercuts.

However, since Joker does not have the fighting skills like Batman, he should have a few tricks up his sleeve to weaken Batman. Maybe an abandoned stage theater, toystore, circus, etc... It's very cliche, but it could be pulled off. Just think about Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker. The flashback scene to Joker's death was brilliantly played out.

I want to see the Joker lurking in the shadows and playing tricks on Batman. Dropping large objects, explosions, Joker-themed deadily devices. Anything to give Joker the upperhand and when Batman is weakened, Joker takes advantage and tries to beat the pulp out of Batman as fast as he can. Imagine it, Batman becoming the underdog and rising again to fully unleash all his anger on Joker. Watch Patient J, that scene would also help out.

So in general we need the elements of Batman 89', Return of the Joker, Spiderman and Patient J in the final battle

I give you kudos sir. Kudos. :up:

[Ox Elf]

One of my favorite parts of BB was the fact that they didn't use any crappy slow mo or bullet time. Don't start now.

[DV8]

Question: Where are you guy's getting this info about Carmine having a nephew running the business and other mob families in the Batman Universe????? Let me know


I'm sure that somebody already answered this, but the nephew is in The Long Halloween . . . . but now the ending just kind got given away :(

[Ox Elf]

you mean the ending where Batman kills Catwoman and then decapitates himself out of grief, only to be brought back in a twist ending when Alfred and gordon build him a new cyborg body?

[Katsuro]

you mean the ending where Batman kills Catwoman and then decapitates himself out of grief, only to be brought back in a twist ending when Alfred and gordon build him a new cyborg body?

No dude, that's Dark Victory you're thinking of.

The Long Halloween is the one with the nazi zombies, remember?

[Ox Elf]

No dude, that's Dark Victory you're thinking of.

The Long Halloween is the one with the nazi zombies, remember?
right. silly me.

[Dark Phantom]

One of my favorite parts of BB was the fact that they didn't use any crappy slow mo or bullet time. Don't start now.

yeah, I wouldn't want that either. But in the final battle between Joker and Batman, you need to slow down the scene a little. I'm talking about the punches. I want to see how powerful Joker has become that he can just take advantage of Batman at his weakened state. The way to do that is to show repeated beatings, but with one slightly slowed punch after another to give the effect of "My God!"

Like I said, think of Spiderman vs Green Goblin and imagine it transeferring to Batman vs Joker. It should be longer and more effective.

[The Batman]

I think Nolan should let someone else handle the fight scenes. Whatever he was trying to do didnt work, and we missed out on some great stuff in the first one.

Also, the suit needs to be tweaked, and more like the batman outfit of the comics. Also, bring in more gadgets, especially one thats an actual batarang.

[Ronny Shade]

I agree with the actual batarang part. I'd love to see him throw a boomerag type batarang, have it hit somebody or chop a rope or something and come back to him

[The Batman]

As long as the gadgets arent over the top, i dont see a reason why we cant bring a few more in....but they have to get across the point that batman is more than just gadgets....which BB showed perfectly

[DeGenerate10]

1. Katie Holmes dying in the hands of the Joker.
2. No Robin
3. No Bat jet
4. More detective scenes
5. No Bat Girl
6. NO NIPPLES
7. No Bat bombs or other corny gadgets that Batman has (Anti-Shark Repellent etc.)
8. The creation of Two Face
9. No Robin
10. Better fight scenes

[Ronny Shade]

1. Katie Holmes dying in the hands of the Joker.
2. No Robin
3. No Bat jet
4. More detective scenes
5. No Bat Girl
6. NO NIPPLES
7. No Bat bombs or other corny gadgets that Batman has (Anti-Shark Repellent etc.)
8. The creation of Two Face
9. No Robin
10. Better fight scenes
You'll probably be pretty happy with the sequel

[Golgo-13]

I want to see Dr. Leslie Thompkins as Bruce's Motherly figure. I would like Red Dragon actress (Emily Watson) for the role-which would rock!

2)I'd like to see Joker harm Dr.Thompkins and push Batman over the edge.

3) More Fight scenes

4)To hear Batman curse.

5)And for god sake, no more revealling he's Batman to anyone else!

[Avernus]

1. Katie Holmes dying in the hands of the Joker.
2. No Robin
3. No Bat jet
4. More detective scenes
5. No Bat Girl
6. NO NIPPLES
7. No Bat bombs or other corny gadgets that Batman has (Anti-Shark Repellent etc.)
8. The creation of Two Face
9. No Robin
10. Better fight scenes

you'll only be disappointed with one of those....not bad for a top 10...

oh...and here's the spoiler lol

#8 won't happen in the sequel..

[DeGenerate10]

you'll only be disappointed with one of those....not bad for a top 10...

oh...and here's the spoiler lol

#8 won't happen in the sequel..

you never know harvey could be messed up at the end up number 2 and he could be the main villain of 3.

[ganstaman56]

so let me get this straight....you wanna see boring, lame ordinary criminals like Zas instead of criminals like joker who would look awesome on the big screen? and the mob thing is cool. u heard of the long halloween? its the origin of twoface! a mob boss maroni throws acid in dent's face!

[ganstaman56]

when your watching an ACTION movie, you want to be able to make out the action. its near impossible to think back to begins and be able to specifically remember any sort of fight sequence. when a fight scene finishes, the audience shouldnt be like, "wait, what the f**k just happened? did they just fight? i dunno...." there are plenty of ways to film a fight sequence and keeps the ferocity and rawness, but still make the fight more clear. if a director is flying though quick cuts and close ups, its an obvious sign that they dont know how to direct a fight sequence. i appreciate the idea behind nolan's intentions with the scenes, but the fact is it just didnt work in the execution. nolan has stated that the fight scenes are from the criminals point of view. what do you want him not even be able to turn his neck and have the cheesy fight sequences of the old films? in the old films they werent even a fight! batman was like durr!!! i shoot you with stun gun and knock you out!! yay! is that what you want? be grateful fo what u got! i think the fight scenes were awesome!!!

[ganstaman56]

I want to see Dr. Leslie Thompkins as Bruce's Motherly figure. I would like Red Dragon actress (Emily Watson) for the role-which would rock!

2)I'd like to see Joker harm Dr.Thompkins and push Batman over the edge.

3) More Fight scenes

4)To hear Batman curse.

5)And for god sake, no more revealling he's Batman to anyone else! who the f**ck is leslie thompkins? is that that girl who was in the first burton film?

[ganstaman56]

1. Katie Holmes dying in the hands of the Joker.
2. No Robin
3. No Bat jet
4. More detective scenes
5. No Bat Girl
6. NO NIPPLES
7. No Bat bombs or other corny gadgets that Batman has (Anti-Shark Repellent etc.)
8. The creation of Two Face
9. No Robin
10. Better fight scenes fight scenes were great!

EVERYONE SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT THE FIGHT SCENES!! THEY WERE CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE SO CALLED ''FIGHTS'' IN THE BURTON FILMS!! TO EVERYONE WHO IS RIPPING ON THE FIGHT SCENES............F**CK U!!!!

[ganstaman56]

I think Nolan should let someone else handle the fight scenes. Whatever he was trying to do didnt work, and we missed out on some great stuff in the first one.

Also, the suit needs to be tweaked, and more like the batman outfit of the comics. Also, bring in more gadgets, especially one thats an actual batarang.no the suit is fine!! shut up and watch the movie! the fight scenes were good! would you rather have the ****in so called ''fights'' of the burton films? and would you rather have the suit in the burton films where he cant even turn his neck!? and this movie is where he's just starting out!! the batarangs are prototypes!!!!

[ganstaman56]

I think Nolan should let someone else handle the fight scenes. Whatever he was trying to do didnt work, and we missed out on some great stuff in the first one.

Also, the suit needs to be tweaked, and more like the batman outfit of the comics. Also, bring in more gadgets, especially one thats an actual batarang.no the suit is fine! or would you rather have the suit from the burton films where he cant even turn his neck! and the fight scenes were great!! or would you rather have the so called "fights'' of the burton films!? shut the **** up and watch the movie!!

[ganstaman56]

I just want to start off by saying this movie rocks. I know most people are saying Duh. But everytime I watch the movie. I'm like they struck gold this movie smoked star wars. Anyway I loved the movie But I just want to share w/ you guy's things I want to see in the sequel and hopefully get some ideas circulated and some feedback here we go....

1. I want to see more of wayne manor. Now I know the movie is about Bruce wayne coming in to batman that's why batman Begins was Perfect But in the movie It looked like they only showed one side of his house and from the angle it really did'nt look that big and I know the House is huge. In all of the comics / tv shows he has lived by a river of some sort I know this is the case w/ the movie because there is a freakin waterfall in his cave. But the only scenery w/ a good view I saw was when he was w/ rachel after his house burned down and it was all Green fields still beautiful but where is the water again has to be on the other side But I know he lives a phat life style I want to see more of his House.

2. I also want to see an expansion of the cave. I'm sure this will happen but to have him explore the cave further and discover different areas would be cool so we could kind of get a feel of things to come as far as him setting up shop.

3. I don't want the mob factor to disappear. I know Joker and penguin are all considered Organized crime. But I also want batman just like in begins to deal w/ the ordanary criminals

Question: Where are you guy's getting this info about Carmine having a nephew running the business and other mob families in the Batman Universe????? Let me know

4. Somewher in the sequels I would like to see Gordon as he is being promoted through the ranks be on edge a little. Let me explain. I want some talk going around that he has been working w/ the Batman to take down crime and if he is to be promoted to commish I want him to be question by city council members as far as his involvment in those rumors more importantly I want some kind of reaction from the organized crime families on this rumor. For example if I was the head of an Organized Syndicate and rumors were flying around that A police captain was allowing a vigilante to stop crime and he was succeeding and if that captain was to be promoted to Commmish which is top dog dont answer to No one if youre getting results. Me ass a Mob Boss is going to do something about it. to have a twist like that would be cool maybe have an assasination attempt on Gordon's for that very reason would be a nice twist.


More to come

Thoughts?
Disagreements?damn your idea for the sequel sux!!!! it seems like your focusing more on gordan than the star!! you know BATMAN!!!!!? and lemme get this straight you wanna see boring, ordinary criminals like Zasz instead of awesome, interesting villains that would be awesome on the big screen like Joker and Penguin!!!!? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!????

[Shoemeister]

who the f**ck is leslie thompkins? is that that girl who was in the first burton film?

LOL... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Thompkins

[Golgo-13]

who the f**ck is leslie thompkins? is that that girl who was in the first burton film?
Dr.Leslie Thompkins is the doctor that helped Bruce cope with his parents death during his childhood. She is a long time friend of the family. She is kinda of like Dr. Miffie (Lorraine Bracco's character) is to Tony Soprano in the Sopranos. He confines in her, goes to her whenever he's physically injured and can't go to a real Doctor or the ER plus she's one of the few people that knows Bruce is Batman. She was pretty prominent in Batman:TAS.....

[chosen1]

damn your idea for the sequel sux!!!! it seems like your focusing more on gordan than the star!! you know BATMAN!!!!!? and lemme get this straight you wanna see boring, ordinary criminals like Zasz instead of awesome, interesting villains that would be awesome on the big screen like Joker and Penguin!!!!? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!????

thanx

[chosen1]

So Gangstaman how you doin?

[FanWithoutFear]

They're two things I definitely like to see more of in the seguel:

1. Bruce mapping out and (later) setting up the Bat Cave to his specifications.

2. Stronger emphasis on Batman's detective skills (he IS the DCU's greatest in that regard!)
:batman:

[The Batman]

no the suit is fine! or would you rather have the suit from the burton films where he cant even turn his neck! and the fight scenes were great!! or would you rather have the so called "fights'' of the burton films!? shut the **** up and watch the movie!!


people like you seriously make me ill. You're nothing more than a puppet, who thinks nolan did everything perfectly. no one was saying they'd rather have the burton films, so stop your whining.

[ganstaman56]

people like you seriously make me ill. You're nothing more than a puppet, who thinks nolan did everything perfectly. no one was saying they'd rather have the burton films, so stop your whining. so wt u want with the fight scenes? and r u sayin that BB sucked?

[ganstaman56]

So Gangstaman how you doin?srry. i was pissed last night. wanted to come check up on hw thngs were doin around here. and lost it. so wt u sayin u want with normal villains in tha sequel?

[The Batman]

so wt u want with the fight scenes? and r u sayin that BB sucked?

Look at that folks! You have to think everything about BB was perfect, or else its awful!

[ganstaman56]

Look at that folks! You have to think everything about BB was perfect, or else its awful! well what did you not like about the film??!!!

[The Batman]

well...if i specifically say that for the sequel the fight scenes need to change, and the suit also...well....i dont really have to spell it out for you, do i?

[CConn]

Why do people use mutiple "!!! or ???s"? I mean, it's not like I'm reading the post going "What's this dude trying to say? Is he asking a question? Oh! Seven ?s. He must be asking a question. If it was just one, I never would've noticed. Thanks a bundle, excess. :up:" :confused:

[ISHMAEL]

the ONLY thing i want...

...ZOOM OUT FOR THE FIGHT SCENES DAMMIT!!! no quick cuts and short shots! i want to be able to see the fights CLEARLY this time dammit! that's ALL i want for the sequel...

**** i know thats the only thing i hated in that movie

[ISHMAEL]

fight scenes were great!

EVERYONE SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT THE FIGHT SCENES!! THEY WERE CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE SO CALLED ''FIGHTS'' IN THE BURTON FILMS!! TO EVERYONE WHO IS RIPPING ON THE FIGHT SCENES............F**CK U!!!!

they still could have done better at least you could see batman fight in the timburton ones

[ganstaman56]

well...if i specifically say that for the sequel the fight scenes need to change, and the suit also...well....i dont really have to spell it out for you, do i? y does the suit need to change? its fine.

[ganstaman56]

they still could have done better at least you could see batman fight in the timburton ones those werent even fights! it was just like one punch or haha i knocked you out with a batarang!

[ganstaman56]

they still could have done better at least you could see batman fight in the timburton onesthe fight scenes were great!! it gives him the shadowy figure thing! it's what the criminals are seeing!! the fight scenes were awesome!!

[ISHMAEL]

the fight scenes were great!! it gives him the shadowy figure thing! it's what the criminals are seeing!! the fight scenes were awesome!!

i dont consider those fight scenes his was just being sneaky but i liked that but when he fought one on one it went to close to batman when they should focus out

[ganstaman56]

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT THE SUIT TO CHANGE!! IT'S PERFECT!! HE'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE SUIT!! WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS?!

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[ISHMAEL]

those werent even fights! it was just like one punch or haha i knocked you out with a batarang!

at least you could see him in full suit and your talking about that old ass batman fighting with dat one punch ****

[ganstaman56]

i dont consider those fight scenes his was just being sneaky but i liked that but when he fought one on one it went to close to batman when they should focus out the falcone thug thing was a fight scene.

[ISHMAEL]

the falcone thug thing was a fight scene.

when was that ??

[ganstaman56]

at least you could see him in full suit and your talking about that old ass batman fighting with dat one punch **** yea!! u just said that at least in the burton ones you could see him!! so what do you want the crappy fighting with one punch **** in the old ones or do you want acrobatic flips and stuff!!?

[explode7]

Acrobatic flips is for spiderman not for batman.

[ganstaman56]

when was that ?? when he's going after falcone and he pulls that guy into the box thing. and then all the guys start coming at him and he's doing flips and stuff.

[ganstaman56]

Acrobatic flips is for spiderman not for batman. oh so you want the crappy tim burton ones where he just does one punch and throws a batarang?!

[explode7]

NO!I want his fighting to be more skillful just like it currently is and if batman were to do what you want it will be too unrealistic and humanly impossible unless he has a circus setting to do so.

[ISHMAEL]

when he's going after falcone and he pulls that guy into the box thing. and then all the guys start coming at him and he's doing flips and stuff.

yea that was too damn focused i couldnt see a punch for ****

[ISHMAEL]

NO!I want his fighting to be more skillful just like it currently is and if batman were to do what you want it will be too unrealistic and humanly impossible unless he has a circus setting to do so.

excatly:up: :up:

[The Batman]

lol...and to think he was calling other people's ideas crappy

[explode7]

^ Ganstaman needs to understand this. Make him understand, please:up:

[ISHMAEL]

^ Ganstaman needs to understand this. Make him understand, please:up:

yea **** i cant see the fight scenes at all in batman begins because its too focused

[explode7]

I find it to be too flashy.

[The Batman]

Actually....Batman is known to be an acrobatic character, as he was influenced by the swashbucklers such as douglas fairbanks as zorro, errol flynn.

[ISHMAEL]

Actually....Batman is known to be an acrobatic character, as he was influenced by the swashbucklers such as douglas fairbanks as zorro, errol flynn.

I know but its too flashy and focused so we cant see that acrobatic character we all want to see

[ganstaman56]

yea that was too damn focused i couldnt see a punch for **** so is that what you meant by at least you could see him in full suit and your talking about that old ass batman fighting with dat one punch ****?

[ganstaman56]

I know but its too flashy and focused so we cant see that acrobatic character we all want to see well duh!! he's moving really quick! the fighting in BB was clear to me. it was fine.

[ganstaman56]

the fight scenes were great!!! or would you people rather have the crappy barely a fight scenes from Tim Burton's films?

[ganstaman56]

shut the **** up!!! god!!! one minute your praising the film and the next your tearing it apart!!! the fight scenes were clear to me! and nolan has himself stated that the fight scenes are from the criminal's POV not batman's!! batman isnt supposed to be just one punch after another! it's supposed to be a bunch of flashy moves and in the fight scene where he's fighting Falcone's men the reason it's so blurry and **** is because he's moving real quick!! thats what the criminals are seeing!! just a blur going by!!

[ganstaman56]

and you still havent answered my question! WHATS WRONG WITH THE SUIT!!!!?

[ISHMAEL]

well duh!! he's moving really quick! the fighting in BB was clear to me. it was fine.

no it wasnt you couldnt see **** even if you look closely

[ISHMAEL]

and you still havent answered my question! WHATS WRONG WITH THE SUIT!!!!?

theres nothing wrong with the suit its the movemnts in the suit when hes fighting multiple people at a time

[ganstaman56]

theres nothing wrong with the suit its the movemnts in the suit when hes fighting multiple people at a time wts wrong with the movements?

[The Only Woj]

I don't care if Nolan does his super close up fighting again if that's what he wants, so long as he does 2 things

1) not cut fight scenes up so that you're going back and forth between cool fight and some other character doing something (like the monorail fight, cutting between that and gordon and the old 'water hub gonna blow' guy)

2) do what they did with the BB DVD and have all the fight scenes on there one way or another filmed with a camera not 2 inches from Batman's face

[ganstaman56]

no it wasnt you couldnt see **** even if you look closely i could see ****! i didnt have to look closley!! so you want batman's fight scenes to be like the crappy ones in Tim's?

[ganstaman56]

I don't care if Nolan does his super close up fighting again if that's what he wants, so long as he does 2 things

1) not cut fight scenes up so that you're going back and forth between cool fight and some other character doing something (like the monorail fight, cutting between that and gordon and the old 'water hub gonna blow' guy)

2) do what they did with the BB DVD and have all the fight scenes on there one way or another filmed with a camera not 2 inches from Batman's face wtf are you talking about? on the DVD. and they did that with gordon and him because gordon had to blow the bridge!! so you have to switch! gordon has to blow the bridge while batman fights ra's.

[The Kid]

the fight scenes were great!!! or would you people rather have the crappy barely a fight scenes from Tim Burton's films?

if I can see who's winning, sure...

[The Batman]

is gansta talking to anyone in particular?

since most of the things he types make no sense, i'm having trouble understand what the **** his point is...

[ganstaman56]

is gansta talking to anyone in particular?

since most of the things he types make no sense, i'm having trouble understand what the **** his point is... i'm talking about how people are criticising the fight scenes! and how they seem to think the crappy burton films are the way batman would really fight!! like one punch ****!!

[chosen1]

srry. i was pissed last night. wanted to come check up on hw thngs were doin around here. and lost it. so wt u sayin u want with normal villains in tha sequel?

Okay maybe i couldve been a little clearer I just don't want to have all of the Focus on the Joker and the other villain. Just like the did in begins I want them to continue to show a little light on the organized crime families and them teaming up so to speak to brainstorm on how to handle the bat situation Not a lot of screen time grant you but it would make it a little more Gritty

[chosen1]

theres nothing wrong with the suit its the movemnts in the suit when hes fighting multiple people at a time

I have to agree w/ gangstaman leave the suit alone. I honestly did'nt see if it was difficult for him to move around. If they could modify the suit's INTERNAL structure to make him move more freely God bless But the suit is awesome.

I dont know if thats what you mean Ishmael...

[The Last Meatbag]

1.Upgraded (or in the stage of upgrading the) Batcave.- We barely really saw anything, I mean, we didn't even see the batcomputer :(
2.Adding some upgrades to the suit, to make it look A BIT different- As Batman runs into more troubles on the streets he's going to need protection from different kinda things too. James Bond needs new gadgets in each one of his movies :o
3.More flashbacks- Whether it be between a teen Bruce or a young Bruce and his father, or maybe even an early Wayne Tech.
4.The Narrows after the attack- I wanna see what the lunatics and fear did to the narrows, and I wanna see it being one of Batman's big areas of patrol.
5.A new Bat vehicle- a boat or a jet would be cool to see, not a necessity though.
6.Fight Scenes where you can tell whats going on- There can still be brutality going on screen, and you can tell a fight is brutal without blurs. Whether it be slamming knees into guts or breaking noses, Batman can still use his Keysi form to get the shots he needs in. Whats the use of a fight scene if you can't tell there's a fight?
7.Wayne Tech's Progress- What is Wayne tech doing with the rebuilding of the narrows, are they creating any new technologies that Batman can use to his advantage?
8.Harvey Dent- We need the Harvey, Jim Gordon, Bats trinity in the next movie, seeing these three guys working together to take down the Gangs and Criminal circuits would be great.
9.Showing Batman doesn't just punch things and run over Cop cars- Show a bit of Batman's detective side, we need to see some of the other things Bruce studied besides combat.
10.Sacrifice- Batman is well known for sacrifice and pushing things away for the sake of his life as Batman.
11.The Hate between Batman and Joker- Hopefully we'll get a couple of scenes with Batman and the Joker before the final showdown, and when that showdown comes I really wanna see the mutual hate between these two flow. I want to see the mutual want for each of them to hurt and feel pain.

[Spidey 2007]

:up: lmfao, this thread is a half joke. The suit most likely wont change that much at all. imagine a difference liek batman returns was to 89. thats alll i expect, if we get ANY change at all, which is doubtful.

i want to see the Grandfather clock entrance. i want to see a costume vault that puts everything to shame, ala light up glass casing.

i want to see more gargoyle sitting, i want to see more of everything in begins.

THE BATMOBILE.. i MUST HEAR the tires jitter again, i want another frantic batmobile scene, wether he be racing to a crime or off roading.

Red Hood Origin

Batman sitting at a computer with his mask off actually figuring something out. and the audience be liek " OHH IT ALL CONNECTS TOGETHER NOW!" a big " OF COURSE!" moment, a big "YES YES" twist! batman finally figures it out. i dont know, something.

I want to see him upgrading his suit aswell. i want to see him face a problem with his suit. hmm what else....

oh Harvey Dent of course, will be in this one. i really want to see a great relationship between him and bruce, which i know ill get.

More Alfred humor and father figureness, ala "NEVA" in begins. :up:

training in the batcave. upgrading the batcave. i want to see problems with the lights and him fixing it, giving you the feeling that this is really a cave just revamped.

a climactic fight between joker and batman, i want to see joker killing rachel. i want a big build up. i want a big build up.... yes. dont even have batman ever see joker thru out the film, have batman always be one step behind him... thus batman learning to really stay one step ahead. then have batman finally be there when joker commits his ultimate crime, and or killing rachel. will lead up to a great fight.

I want to see batman jump off more roofs! always welcome!

I want to see him foiling random acts of crime too ala spiderman 1:up:

i wat it to end with the creation of 2 face :up: :up: