Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #8 Preview (spoilers)

[stillanerd]

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Looks like we got a case of time-traveling, reality-altering whackiness going on. And I think I have an idea now who the Uncle Ben we saw in the last issue was and what he was doing there. I suspect
Spider-Man, in the reality where Uncle Ben survived and Aunt May died, was killed by the Hobgoblin of the future and so that reality's Uncle Ben somehow went to the real 616 timeline to try and save the 616 Spider-Man from the same fate.

[MaxCarnage]

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Looks like we got a case of time-traveling, reality-altering whackiness going on. And I think I have an idea now who the Uncle Ben we saw in the last issue was and what he was doing there. I suspect
Spider-Man, in the reality where Uncle Ben survived and Aunt May died, was killed by the Hobgoblin of the future and so that reality's Uncle Ben somehow went to the real 616 timeline to try and save the 616 Spider-Man from the same fate.

I still don't like it. While he may be another reality's Ben, he is still Uncle Ben, and the implications of this are not positive, IMO.

[stillanerd]

Especially, if PAD plans on having him stick around for a lot longer after this story arc.

[MaxCarnage]

And that's exactly what I fear the case will be.

[spahn]

meh.

[Norman Osborn]

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Looks like we got a case of time-traveling, reality-altering whackiness going on. And I think I have an idea now who the Uncle Ben we saw in the last issue was and what he was doing there. I suspect
Spider-Man, in the reality where Uncle Ben survived and Aunt May died, was killed by the Hobgoblin of the future and so that reality's Uncle Ben somehow went to the real 616 timeline to try and save the 616 Spider-Man from the same fate.

Could you dumb that down please :( ..where's a crying emoticon when you need it?

[MaxCarnage]

An alternate-reality version of Ben has come to the 616 universe to warn Spider-Man that a Hobgoblin from the future is trying to kill him.

Typing that out made my ears bleed. If he couldn't stay or something it wouldn't be so bad, but if he ends up getting together with May or something lame like that then...well, it can't really go downhill from the bottom.

[Themanofbat]

Could you dumb that down please :( ..where's a crying emoticon when you need it?

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[Happenstance]

Oh yippee :(

[stillanerd]

Could you dumb that down please :( ..where's a crying emoticon when you need it?

Okay, let me put on the role of Prof. Farnsworth from Futurama:

Let's call the Universe where Uncle Ben died Universe A, and the Universe where Aunt May died Universe B.
(Fry from Universe B: Why can't we be Universe A?
Farnsworth from Universe A: Because I said so!)
Anyway, what I believe is that the Hobgoblin from 2100 was able to traverse from his Universe, lets call it Universe C, was able to go to Universe B just like Sliders and killed Spider-Man from Universe B. Then Hobgoblin 2100 went to Universe A to try and kill Spider-Man from universe A. However, Uncle Ben from Universe B also somehow was able to go to Universe A in an attempt to warn Spider-Man from Universe A about Hobgoblin 2100 killing all the Spider-Man throughout the space-time continum. Simple right? *head explodes from all the sci-fi mumbo-jumbo* :confused:

[Gregatron]

I find it interesting that Ben has never been really brought back in any form in the Marvel Universe (except as a hallucination/flashback, or in "What if?" stories)...until now.

Even if "Ben" is from a parallel universe, it will still be destructive.

Yet another cardinal rule of Spider-Man broken and deficated on.


It seems Marvel's taken to the "Hollywood-style comic adaptation" school of thought: "As long as it's still a guy in spandex named Spider-Man with spider-powers, then any changes we make are okay".

[Dragon]

Okay. I suspect this is the way these morons hope to correct all of the continuity, and perhaps concepts that have drawn fans ire, like The other and possibly the Totem and Sins Past. All of the crappy plot lines will be pblamed on criss-crossing timelines. So what I guess,that it's totally unoriginal because of the DC's various Crisis/Zero Hour events.

Still not a great way of handling all of this, at least not for Spidey and probably another crash & burn. But I'll contonue to watch and wait for Spidey to unsuck.

[Dragon]

Okay, let me put on the role of Prof. Farnsworth from Futurama:

Let's call the Universe where Uncle Ben died Universe A, and the Universe where Aunt May died Universe B.
(Fry from Universe B: Why can't we be Universe A?
Farnsworth from Universe A: Because I said so!)
Anyway, what I believe is that the Hobgoblin from 2100 was able to traverse from his Universe, lets call it Universe C, was able to go to Universe B just like Sliders and killed Spider-Man from Universe B. Then Hobgoblin 2100 went to Universe A to try and kill Spider-Man from universe A. However, Uncle Ben from Universe B also somehow was able to go to Universe A in an attempt to warn Spider-Man from Universe A about Hobgoblin 2100 killing all the Spider-Man throughout the space-time continum. Simple right? *head explodes from all the sci-fi mumbo-jumbo* :confused:

You might be right about this. But here's the thing: Why?
Why would Hobgoblin, if he has the power of time travel only want to eliminate the Spider-Men? Not very creative thinking for an eeeevilllll genius. I mean why not make himself the invincible, all-powerful master of the universe? (There is a way to do that via time travel isn't there?) ;)

[stillanerd]

You might be right about this. But here's the thing: Why?
Why would Hobgoblin, if he has the power of time travel only want to eliminate the Spider-Men? Not very creative thinking for an eeeevilllll genius. I mean why not make himself the invincible, all-powerful master of the universe? (There is a way to do that via time travel isn't there?) ;)

Not if Kang has anything to say about it, because HE'S supposed to be the self-proclaimed dictator of the space-time continum. :)

EDIT: Plus if Hobgoblin 2100 killed Peter Parker before he ever became Spider-Man, that means Spider-Man would never have existed, meaning that Hobgoblin 2100 would have no reason to back in time to kill all the various Spider-Man across the space-time continum because he changed history and therefore will have erased his motivation, personal history and possibly himself...how's that paradox for you? :confused:

BTW, doesn't this idea sound an awful lot like the Kingdom Come sequel known as the "The Kindgom" where Magog went around killing the various Supermen throughout hypertime?

[Gregatron]

I fear that any time-travel/parallel universe-type attempts to fix the mythos will lead to only more complications.

Try explaining Spider-Man's history to an 8-year-old kid (like the kind Quesada is now trying to pander to...by doing stories with lots of sex and violence?). They'll be squirming when you get to clones, writhing when you get to Totems, and running when you get to time-travel/parallel universes. Said kid will go play video games instead.

[Symbiotica]

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[Captivated]

I fear that any time-travel/parallel universe-type attempts to fix the mythos will lead to only more complications.

Try explaining Spider-Man's history to an 8-year-old kid (like the kind Quesada is now trying to pander to...by doing stories with lots of sex and violence?). They'll be squirming when you get to clones, writhing when you get to Totems, and running when you get to time-travel/parallel universes. Said kid will go play video games instead.True... I've been trying to get the 10 and 12 year-olds (niece and nephew) in my life interested in select Spidey stories... but after school work, sports and piano lessons, try tearing them away from the TV, their friends or especially the computer.

[Dope Nose]

how long until the May-Ben-Jarvis love triangle?

[Gregatron]

True... I've been trying to get the 10 and 12 year-olds (niece and nephew) in my life interested in select Spidey stories... but after school work, sports and piano lessons, try tearing them away from the TV, their friends or especially the computer.


Give a kid a reprint of Amazing Fantasy # 15 (or, even better, Marvel Masterworks Spider-Man Vol. 1), and I think they'll be hooked.

[Captivated]

I really have no opinion about that preview... except the art looked good. Who knows where this story is going.

I did not read that "what if" story... Mainly because I didn't care. I like the story the way it is. One of the most powerful origin stories in all of comicdom!

So what if there was no theif... Aunt May died instead of Uncle Ben... Would Ben have acted so weak? Why would he be worried about money because Aunt May paid the bills? I thought he was a paragon of responsiblity. That seemed really off to me.

I do think Peter was a sensitive kid... if it wasn't Uncle Ben's death, life is not a bed of roses, it would be something that made him think twice about the best use of his powers.

[Captivated]

Give a kid a reprint of Amazing Fantasy # 15 (or, even better, Marvel Masterworks Spider-Man Vol. 1), and I think they'll be hooked.I WISH! I let them borrow both. I have 4 volumns of the Masterworks. When that went no where with them I made a big deal about letting my nephew read MKSM (1-12), saying he had to hide it from his sister, since she was too young for it. He read a few issues, but I don't think he finished it... in fact, he still has it... need to get it back. The only thing they really got into, besides the movies, was the DVD's of MTV's New Animated Series. They loved those.

[Gregatron]

I WISH! I let them borrow both. I have 4 volumns of the Masterworks. When that went no where with them I made a big deal about letting my nephew read MKSM (1-12), saying he had to hide it from his sister, since she was too young for it. He read a few issues, but I don't think he finished it... in fact, he still has it... need to get it back. The only thing they really got into, besides the movies, was the DVD's of MTV's New Animated Series. They loved those.


Hollywood wins again.

[Dangerous]

At least Ringo is back, nice art.

[Norman Osborn]

I did not read that "what if" story... Mainly because I didn't care. I like the story the way it is. One of the most powerful origin stories in all of comicdom!.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...Slaps self in head this Ben lived, Hobgoblin 2,365,789 and Aunt May died crap was a what if story? .....geeez Stillanerd, why didn't you just tell me that...would have saved you a lot of time :)....

...of course given my pseudonym, one would assume I'd know :O

[stillanerd]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...Slaps self in head this Ben lived, Hobgoblin 2,365,789 and Aunt May died crap was a what if story? .....geeez Stillanerd, why didn't you just tell me that...would have saved you a lot of time :)....

...of course given my pseudonym, one would assume I'd know :O

And miss my chance of having both our synapses explode like in Scanners from trying to explain and comprehend all the sci-fi goobledygook? :D

Speaking of What If, I assume that PAD is taking inspiration from the First "What If Ben Parker had lived" issue and not the more recent version.

[Norman Osborn]

Speaking of What If, I assume that PAD is taking inspiration from the First "What If Ben Parker had lived" issue and not the more recent version.

There was two of them?? :eek: ....*collapses in heap*

[Demogoblin]

:.... I wonder how many times we can see this scenario re-used in a 5-year period :) [returns from the dead, that is.] I'm going to go out on a limb and say, ten times.

The sad thing is, that is probably a low guesstimate.

Just picked up the new Wizard and Quesada said he wanted the old supporting characters back, and rattled off Flash Thompson, Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.

I wanted to scream. :( :down :mad:

[Norman Osborn]

:

Just picked up the new Wizard and Quesada said he wanted the old supporting characters back, and rattled off Flash Thompson, Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.

I wanted to scream. :( :down :mad:

I'm begging you to tell me either

1) You're joking
2) Quesada was joking and this was evident in how he worded the response...

[Demogoblin]

I'm begging you to tell me either

1) You're joking
2) Quesada was joking and this was evident in how he worded the response...

Joe Q: "His cast is gone. Harry Osborns dead. Flash is in a coma. Gwen was killed. I would liketo see him have a cast like the old gang."
JMS: "If we opened up the toy box and just said, "Pick someone that was always around and bring them back" obviously Flash is off the map, Harry too. Gwen would be great. But thats not possible at this point."

I swear, its in Wizard 176, page 59.

[stillanerd]

Joe Q: "His cast is gone. Harry Osborns dead. Flash is in a coma. Gwen was killed. I would liketo see him have a cast like the old gang."
JMS: "If we opened up the toy box and just said, "Pick someone that was always around and bring them back" obviously Flash is off the map, Harry too. Gwen would be great. But thats not possible at this point."

I swear, its in Wizard 176, page 59.

Gee. And whose fault was that I wonder? If you knew his lack of a supporting cast was a problem Joe Q and JMS, why didn't you try and rectify that? Jeez, to paraphrase Tim Robbins in the Shawshank Redemption, "How can they be so obstuse. Is it deliberate?"

[OtepApe]

:

Just picked up the new Wizard and Quesada said he wanted the old supporting characters back, and rattled off Flash Thompson, Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.

I wanted to scream. :( :down :mad:

WHAT?!

The man is insane! Please tell me you're joking. I didn't think Quesada could get any worse (and that's really pushing it), does this man not know anything about Spider-man?

I have always said they bring back Harry or Gwen on a full time basis, I am done. I stick with that, but hope they never actually force me into it.

[Happenstance]

The characters are great to remember but theres no way they shoudl come back. I wish just for once they'd start using that supposed "talent" they were hired for to actually create new supporting characters that we could enjoy reading about.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yes, you too will believe a Wolverine can cry. :(

[spahn]

Joe Q: "His cast is gone. Harry Osborns dead. Flash is in a coma. Gwen was killed. I would liketo see him have a cast like the old gang."
JMS: "If we opened up the toy box and just said, "Pick someone that was always around and bring them back" obviously Flash is off the map, Harry too. Gwen would be great. But thats not possible at this point."

I swear, its in Wizard 176, page 59.

I think we might be going a little of the cliff here. He did say he would "like see a cast LIKE the old gang" not "i would like to see the old gang back."

i know its the popular thing to do to trash Joe Q and JMS, but don't put words in their mouths. And according to that quote JMS is clearly saying that bringing back Flash, Harry and Gwen would be great but not possible.

sure, just the thought is a bit disturbing but thats not what they said.

and just for the record, i am neither opposing or defending them. i am just stating what was said.

[shinlyle]

WHAT?!

The man is insane! Please tell me you're joking. I didn't think Quesada could get any worse (and that's really pushing it), does this man not know anything about Spider-man?

I have always said they bring back Harry or Gwen on a full time basis, I am done. I stick with that, but hope they never actually force me into it.

Okay....that does it. He needs to go. One way or another, he has to get the hell out of here. He wants back 3 dead characters? Does he even read Spider-Man?!?! What a f***-tard!!!

Joey Q and JMS need to just start mixing household chemicals and drinking them until they feel smarter. It's the only way to save the wonderful world of Comic Book Fiction from these imbeciles at large.

[shinlyle]

Joe Q: "His cast is gone. Harry Osborns dead. Flash is in a coma. Gwen was killed. I would liketo see him have a cast like the old gang."
JMS: "If we opened up the toy box and just said, "Pick someone that was always around and bring them back" obviously Flash is off the map, Harry too. Gwen would be great. But thats not possible at this point."

I swear, its in Wizard 176, page 59.

Oh....it says that he "WANTS" them back...not that he intends to BRING them back.

Still, the fact that this is what he wants is enough to maek me angry and arouse my suspicions...

[LarryLegend]

This issue looks pretty poor. Not as bad as the Mexican wrestler ones but still. Its like all the books are a what if right now.

[shinlyle]

This issue looks pretty poor. Not as bad as the Mexican wrestler ones but still. Its like all the books are a what if right now.

To quote Erik Larsen: "What is Spider-Man looked like a complete Idiot?"

http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=12219&start=0


Made me laugh.

[The Lizard]

All of the crappy plot lines will be blamed on criss-crossing timelines. So what I guess,that it's totally unoriginal because of the DC's various Crisis/Zero Hour events.

Still not a great way of handling all of this, at least not for Spidey and probably another crash & burn. But I'll continue to watch and wait for Spidey to unsuck.

Yep, and that "watching and waiting" will not involve "buying" as far as I'm concerned.
(Besides Sensational and possibly Unlimited that is.)


I think the most recent Twisted Toyfare summed it up best:

Spidey (reading a script for "The Other"): According to my script I have to go stab a vampire with my claws and eat his face.

Wolverine: Uh, I think maybe we switched scripts.

Spidey: God, I hope so.

[shinlyle]

Yep, and that "watching and waiting" will not involve "buying" as far as I'm concerned.
(Besides Sensational and possibly Unlimited that is.)


I think the most recent Twisted Toyfare summed it up best:

Spidey (reading a script for "The Other"): According to my script I have to go stab a vampire with my claws and eat his face.

Wolverine: Uh, I think maybe we switched scripts.

Spidey: God, I hope so.

Dude....that's awesome!! :up:

[Happenstance]

Yep, and that "watching and waiting" will not involve "buying" as far as I'm concerned.
(Besides Sensational and possibly Unlimited that is.)


I think the most recent Twisted Toyfare summed it up best:

Spidey (reading a script for "The Other"): According to my script I have to go stab a vampire with my claws and eat his face.

Wolverine: Uh, I think maybe we switched scripts.

Spidey: God, I hope so.

Lol thats great!

[Demogoblin]

Oh....it says that he "WANTS" them back...not that he intends to BRING them back.
Very true.

Still, the fact that this is what he wants is enough to make me angry and arouse my suspicions...

And thats what I was getting at. The fact that the idea has crossed his mind is what worries me.

[KingOfDreams]

I hate to say it, but I'm disappointed in Peter David. I thought this would be the best of the Spider-Man books post-Other but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[shinlyle]

Very true.



And thats what I was getting at. The fact that the idea has crossed his mind is what worries me.

Right there with you, man. :up:

The thing is, I think Joe Q. has it in his littl emind that ANY idea he has is gold, instead of weeding through the ideas and only going with the GOOD ones. He needs to remember that, what may seem like a good idea to him, isn't neccesarily a good idea to everyone(or anyone) else.

[Dangerous]

You know last year I read an interview in Wizard w/ Joe Q and he stated that the EIC of Marvel has in the past upon leaving the position (bar Stan Lee), always seemed to leave a bad taste in the mouth of his work collegaes and the fans.

At one stage in his carear, about 4 years ago Quesada could do no wrong, and look at his sorry ass today. He could have retired liked, but I reckon Spider-man fans have got more than enuf reason to hate him more than anyone else ever involved w/ the character bar JMS.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, he was just fine at th' start but somewhere along th' line he lost his sensibilities. Too long out of th' bullpen, I think.