The Batman/Gordon/Dent team.

[trustyside-kick]

In another thread my bro mentioned him wanting to see those 3 working as a team and it reminded me of The Long Halloween and man would that be awesome. What do you guys think about that for the second movie? If not throughout the whole movie than perhaps towards the end of the film is when they do it. Would be awesome for Nolan to put that into the sequel.

[Boom]

I like the idea. Makes Dent's downfall and betrayal all the more powerful.

[L0ngsh0t]

goes without saying...it works for ever one, because the fans will love it regardless, but the general public who isn't quite sure who dent is, is going to be so shocked when he becomes two face...it's fantastic

[trustyside-kick]

Yea it would be more dramatic if in the movie they show them as a team like in the comics. Also, maybe since Bats would still be new to this hero stuff it might make him hold back when taking down Harvey. That would be pretty cool.

[Lone Wolf]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/1p29.jpg

[The Fallen]

^ Do it!

[trustyside-kick]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/1p29.jpg

:up:.

[Lone Wolf]

Well, here's what Goyer had to say.

"The next one would have Batman enlisting the aid of Gordon and Dent bringing down the Joker...but not killing him. In the third [movie] The Joker would go on trial, scarring Dent in the process - David S. Goyer, Batman Begins screenwriter, 2005

NOTE: It could change.

[trustyside-kick]

Sounds good to me.

[TheGrayGhost]

In another thread my bro mentioned him wanting to see those 3 working as a team and it reminded me of The Long Halloween and man would that be awesome. What do you guys think about that for the second movie? If not throughout the whole movie than perhaps towards the end of the film is when they do it. Would be awesome for Nolan to put that into the sequel.

I grew up with a portrayal of Harvey Dent being Bruce Wayne's long-time friend, and I always thought it made their relationship all the more tragic. Only recently have I found that in the comics their relationship was more "business." Needles to say, I'm resistant to the idea. While I'd be thrilled if Nolan chose to present my view of their relationship, I know that it is very unlikely. I'll deal with it.

[Katsuro]

I grew up with a portrayal of Harvey Dent being Bruce Wayne's long-time friend, and I always thought it made their relationship all the more tragic. Only recently have I found that in the comics their relationship was more "business." Needles to say, I'm resistant to the idea. While I'd be thrilled if Nolan chose to present my view of their relationship, I know that it is very unlikely. I'll deal with it.

If there was one thing that really bugged me about B:TAS, it was their portrayal of Two-Face. I loved the show, but I felt they got just about everything wrong with that character. I didn't like how they made his face blue, or he was created in an explosion. I didn't like that he had an outright split personality even before the incident especially. His relationship with Bruce was probably the thing tha upset me the most. I prefer him being a friend of Gordon and Batman. I liked how after Harvey was scarred in The Long Halloween, we got to see both Batman and Gordon dealing with the loss of a mutual friend. Besides, I dont think Bruce Wayne's public persona is the kind of person Harvey would really be friends with anyways. As we saw in The Long Halloween, he didn't really seem to think much of Bruce and Selina. He thought of them as just your common, rich, high-society type people.

So here's hoping they do a very TLH-like interpretation of Harvey Dent. Heres hoping for that rooftop scene in the sequel!

[Ronny Shade]

I work on a TAS based vision of Harvey, so I think of him as a high roller mostly.

But either way will be fine with me. I'd like to see the business harvey as well.

[L0ngsh0t]

Well, here's what Goyer had to say.

"The next one would have Batman enlisting the aid of Gordon and Dent bringing down the Joker...but not killing him. In the third [movie] The Joker would go on trial, scarring Dent in the process - David S. Goyer, Batman Begins screenwriter, 2005

NOTE: It could change.


sounds interesting i think it will be alittle different...i think two face is going to be very darth vadar episode 3, pheonix x2 kinda, where like..i think the trial is going to be in this one (maybe for a maroni, or falcone..hopefully) and he get's the acid on his face in 2, and is the central villan in 3...that is more what i want then what i think haha...but that would make sense

[blindman]

yup. like darth vader episode 3

[Batman1939]

great idea.

[Babs Gordon]

"i believe in gotham city" :D :up:

[trustyside-kick]

If there was one thing that really bugged me about B:TAS, it was their portrayal of Two-Face. I loved the show, but I felt they got just about everything wrong with that character. I didn't like how they made his face blue, or he was created in an explosion. I didn't like that he had an outright split personality even before the incident especially. His relationship with Bruce was probably the thing tha upset me the most. I prefer him being a friend of Gordon and Batman. I liked how after Harvey was scarred in The Long Halloween, we got to see both Batman and Gordon dealing with the loss of a mutual friend. Besides, I dont think Bruce Wayne's public persona is the kind of person Harvey would really be friends with anyways. As we saw in The Long Halloween, he didn't really seem to think much of Bruce and Selina. He thought of them as just your common, rich, high-society type people.

So here's hoping they do a very TLH-like interpretation of Harvey Dent. Heres hoping for that rooftop scene in the sequel!

Ya. In TAS it would have been better if they were more accurate with Harvey. I hope in the sequel they have Dent more like he was in TLH too.

[Babs Gordon]

dude it was a cartoon. just be happy it was as good as it was ;)

[trustyside-kick]

Are you talking to me? I did not say TAS was not good. I was just saying a TLH interpretation of Harvey for the sequel would be better.

[L0ngsh0t]

TAS i think played more off of the Tommy Lee Jones two-face then anything

i do think Long Halloween two face, or just a more comic book savvy one would be better

[ToddIsDead]

TAS Two-Face was around years before Tommy Lee Jones Two-Face.

[Lone Wolf]

sounds interesting i think it will be alittle different...i think two face is going to be very darth vadar episode 3, pheonix x2 kinda, where like..i think the trial is going to be in this one (maybe for a maroni, or falcone..hopefully) and he get's the acid on his face in 2, and is the central villan in 3...that is more what i want then what i think haha...but that would make sense

Agreed. I like the prospect of this idea, it'll show just how easily someone can change right when you think you know just who they are. For instance, we'll see Den't portrayal in the sequel as a young hotshot DA. But when it'll come down to the acid on his face, we'll see the side of him that no one expected to see as everything he loved will be taken away from him. His "dark" side, like the way he was written in The Long Halloween.

[Two-Face]

I wa reading mini comic book that features TLH with BB DVD so Gordon, Batman and Dent bring doiwn Joker will be good in BB2

[TheGrayGhost]

If there was one thing that really bugged me about B:TAS, it was their portrayal of Two-Face. I loved the show, but I felt they got just about everything wrong with that character. I didn't like how they made his face blue, or he was created in an explosion. I didn't like that he had an outright split personality even before the incident especially. His relationship with Bruce was probably the thing tha upset me the most. I prefer him being a friend of Gordon and Batman. I liked how after Harvey was scarred in The Long Halloween, we got to see both Batman and Gordon dealing with the loss of a mutual friend. Besides, I dont think Bruce Wayne's public persona is the kind of person Harvey would really be friends with anyways. As we saw in The Long Halloween, he didn't really seem to think much of Bruce and Selina. He thought of them as just your common, rich, high-society type people...

We just have to disagree.

[The-Night]

yup. like darth vader episode 3

Yeah, I remember feeling really bad after Anikin's betrayal and I belive that Dent turning into Two-face can accomplish that feeling as well. It'll be great.

[trustyside-kick]

Yeah, I remember feeling really bad after Anikin's betrayal and I belive that Dent turning into Two-face can accomplish that feeling as well. It'll be great.

Yea that is a good example of how it could make the audiences feel. Anakin was somewhat of a butt in episode II but when he turned in episode III made me sympathize for him cause why he did it at first.

[General_Grievous]

I totally agree with the TLH references - seeing Dent, Gordon and Batman work together as younger, idealistic heroes would be awesome and would be an intelligent and logical way to approach the sequel - if the Joker is the toughest villain Batman has, then he will need all the help he can get.

I'd like to see Gilda Dent in the film too, as this would add more impact when Dent is scarred and turns his back on his old life.

[Mr. Socko]

Ofcourse, it goes without saying. Everyone would love to see a Bats/Gordon/Dent team. We've got to have a scene of them on the rooftop.

[General_Grievous]

I agree. Nolan said he drew a lot of reference from TLH, lets hope he liked the Dent/Gordon/Batman team-up dynamic.

[trustyside-kick]

Ofcourse, it goes without saying. Everyone would love to see a Bats/Gordon/Dent team. We've got to have a scene of them on the rooftop.

Definetly on the rooftop. :up:

[Whack Arnolds]

I want a scene where they are all ont he rooftop, and it's Dent's first meeting with Batman and he still sort of doesn't believe he is real... and when Batman does show up, the entire time he is just taken aback by his presence and is obviously frightened by the sight of him.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea and to add to him not believing maybe he could even talk a little smack while talking to Gordon cause about Bats before he shows up. And of course have Batman appear when they least expect it...like right in the middle of Harvey saying something or Gordon responding to him he pops in and like:

"Let's get down to business gentlemen."

Only some line way better that that one but along those lines. :)

[Ronny Shade]

They way I'm characterizing Dent in my mind he wouldn't be afraid of Batman.

[Whack Arnolds]

I am, because he is the super-stud, rising D.A. but at the sight of the actual Batman, he is rendered to nothing more than a frightened guy.

[Shoemeister]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/1p29.jpg

There's no way around it: a scene like this is CRUCIAL.

Not to mention... look at Dent in this comic.
LIEV SCHREIBER, PEOPLE!!! HELLO?!?!

READ THIS SIG!!!

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, Schreiber would be perfect.

And that scene from TLH would be cool to see in the sequel.

[L0ngsh0t]

this scene is cool yes

liev schreiber dammit, no, live schrieber as an option in the top 5 for dent, yes

[trustyside-kick]

Who are the other 4 you think for Dent?

[L0ngsh0t]

the favorites for me i am not sure of speculative nature of them how far up the chain or if they are even on the two face chain but never the less

Guy Perice (i think the nolan connection might help him

Keifer Sutherland (he is just a solid actor)

Clive Owen (i really like him)

Tim Roth (a little short, but one hell of an actor)

Liev Scheriber (i'm not the biggest fan, but he does look like TLH)

Tim Robbins (one of my all time favorite actors, probobly a little to old)

Ed Norton, and Johnny Depp (i would say these two combined have a 1 percent chance of actually being Harvey Dent, but i am a fan of getting the best actor possible and let them explore the character, and obsorb this guy who has multiple personality disorder and all these problems)

i would love if any of these guys go the role, im probobly the least high on scherieber because of his incredibley subpar acting career resume' up to date

so that is why i don't join in on shrebier dammit

[trustyside-kick]

Looking at your post I would say the ones I would like for playing Two-Face are Clive or Liev. :up:

Someone in one thread made a really good Two-Face manip of Liev and omg it looks awesome.

[raybia]

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/1p29.jpg


Teamwork works!:up:

[L0ngsh0t]

well, yeah i agree 100 percent he looks like TLH, i'm just thrilled least about his acting career todate, opposed to the other actors i listed

i am a huge Clive Owen fan, and i think he would be my first choice if i could have one

[raybia]

well, yeah i agree 100 percent he looks like TLH, i'm just thrilled least about his acting career todate, opposed to the other actors i listed

i am a huge Clive Owen fan, and i think he would be my first choice if i could have one

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2993&stc=1&d=1146259906

[L0ngsh0t]

thats funny

[The-Night]

There's no way around it: a scene like this is CRUCIAL.

Not to mention... look at Dent in this comic.
LIEV SCHREIBER, PEOPLE!!! HELLO?!?!

READ THIS SIG!!!

LIEV SCHRIBER............what more do you want?????

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1426/2face2sm8bi.jpg

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, that is the really good manip I was talking about.

[The-Night]

Yea, that is the really good manip I was talking about.

I think that if any person is almost 100% sure to be in the sequel it's Schreiber! What more do Bat fan's want, the man was born for the role and "supposly" it's his if he want's it, from what I've read he really is intrested.

[L0ngsh0t]

LIEV SCHRIBER............what more do you want?????

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1426/2face2sm8bi.jpg




what more do i want, how but some emotion in his face over the fact that he just got scard for life...he looks like he is solving a seriel killer problem in that pic it screams.."hmmm but if Billy is dead, who is trying to kill Sydney?"

i also want an acid soaked red vains flying around face a la TLH, but i know that isn't your fault you can't every thing with the fan art stuff you guys use


THE MAN ISN'T BORN TO PLAY THE ROLE PEOPLE, there are others out there who are frankly just better actors that look good enough, maybe not the almost drawn similarity Schreiber has, but they look close, and all of them have proven they can become characters, instead of just portraying the dialouge on screen which is what schrebier has done in his movies, he is simpley one of the actors in the mix, and the only one not in it for his acting talents, but be cause he looks like the guy from TLH...

this is from Wikipedia as the synopsis of Frank Miller's Batman: Year Ones
two face (which Batman Begins took much out of and will probobly continue taking stuff from)
In the 1980s, Frank Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Miller) rewrote Two-Face's origin, making him a victim of bipolar disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder) and paranoid schizophrenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia). Miller also introduced a much stronger aspect to the dual nature, using Two-Face as a metaphor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor) for the charitable and hostile sides of human nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature). In this incarnation, Two-Face/Dent was reimagined as a tragic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic) character, with a back story that included an abusive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse) father and struggling through law school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school). Miller further expanded on the character by making the pre-accident Dent a major heroic figure in Batman: Year One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Year_One). Dent's past actions and ties to both Batman and Commissioner Gordon make him an unsettling and personal foe for both men.

when has Liev Scheriber once proven he can portray a character like that...if you name me one role he has done that is clost to what this has said about two face i will not say another word about it until someone is cast..

[Mr. Socko]

Nice manip tho...:up:

[SuBe]

What if they combined the TAS and TLH versions, have a young harvey in flash backs as bruce's friend at college, and the roof top scene? that would increase the drama between what bruce feels for his friend Harv and the tension of trust that Harv and Batman has. In TAS Bruce does everything he can for his friend, remember the episode Second Chances?

[trustyside-kick]

Nah, the origin for Harvey being Bruce's friend and all was ok in the animated series but the one in The Long Halloween is just so much better.

[TheGrayGhost]

What if they combined the TAS and TLH versions, have a young harvey in flash backs as bruce's friend at college, and the roof top scene? that would increase the drama between what bruce feels for his friend Harv and the tension of trust that Harv and Batman has. In TAS Bruce does everything he can for his friend, remember the episode Second Chances?

I would love for that to happent, but it's unlikely.

[Katsuro]

I dont think it would make sense for Harvey to be friends with both identities. First of all, it would make it more likely he'd find out they were the same person. And second, which ever way they decide to characterize Harvey, I couldn't see him being cool with both of them. TLH Harvey wanted nothing to do with Bruce, who he thought of as just another rich, high society type.

And Longshot, why is it every post of yours I see is bashing Schreiber supporters? I dont get why you have a problem with people backing a candidate strongly. Just because you dont think Schreibers the best for the job, doens't mean others can't. I personally would rather see Schreiber in the role than anyone else, so what?

[trustyside-kick]

I dont think it would make sense for Harvey to be friends with both identities. First of all, it would make it more likely he'd find out they were the same person. And second, which ever way they decide to characterize Harvey, I couldn't see him being cool with both of them. TLH Harvey wanted nothing to do with Bruce, who he thought of as just another rich, high society type.

And Longshot, why is it every post of yours I see is bashing Schreiber supporters? I dont get why you have a problem with people backing a candidate strongly. Just because you dont think Schreibers the best for the job, doens't mean others can't. I personally would rather see Schreiber in the role than anyone else, so what?

TLH Harvey is the way to go. :) :up:

[El Payaso]

Solid team! Far better than Batman and Robin duet.

[batmaluco]

Solid team! Far better than Batman and Robin duet.
Totally agreed. :up:

[trustyside-kick]

Solid team! Far better than Batman and Robin duet.

What do you mean the Batman and Robin duet? I know you are talking the 4th film but still.

[L0ngsh0t]

And Longshot, why is it every post of yours I see is bashing Schreiber supporters? I dont get why you have a problem with people backing a candidate strongly. Just because you dont think Schreibers the best for the job, doens't mean others can't. I personally would rather see Schreiber in the role than anyone else, so what?


You guys are F***in nuts though, you have no sensiblity, more then half the posts i read from schrebier backers are of the Schrebier or Bust Ilk, it's insane, he isn't the only one, chonsen child, messiah prophecied throught the ages by DC comics themselves saying he is the one person capable of playing Harvey Dent

and the other reason is the only valid argument anyone has made as to why schrebier should be Dent is because he looks like "One" rendition of him, not consistently, but just one rendition of harvey dent...

i posed this question on another thread, Two face is one of the deepest characters in the Batman universe, and as an actor you really need to obsorb the role, take it in, and become this guy who had a troubled childhood, struggles with multiple personality disorder, and has no problem toeing the line to bring criminals to justice, even if it means crossing it...at any moment he is the fearcest of ***** D.A.'s and the next moment he can come home to his wife Gilda and outwordly put his work behind him..

the question i pose is such...name one movie that Schrebier has legitimatly shown he is capable of such a deep role, when? the only two movie anyone ever talks about him being good in is the manchurian candidate and the hurricane, and nether role or performence was close to the acting capabilities it should take to do two face..

if you want a guy who is most famous for his role in Scream 2, that is fine by me, but you should be ashamed to be throwing other actors who have proven over and over again that they can act, and play such the deep character as Dent is.

if Schrebeir is Dent, i swear it will be worse then Batman Forever, cause while Tommy Jones wasn't great, at least he portrayed the insane part, which Schrebier hasn't proven he can do ether

if he didn't look frame to frame like TLH 3/4 of you wouldn't want him...


i will leave you with this quote "Well, if Billy is dead...then that means we must have a Copy cat killer!" Schrebier from Scream 2 figuring out the plot, just like a solid D.A. should

[TheGrayGhost]

Solid team! Far better than Batman and Robin duet.

Disagree.:down

Hopefully I'll see some homage to the DCAU arrangement between Batman and Dent.

[Two-Face]

if Schrebeir is Dent, i swear it will be worse then Batman Forever, cause while Tommy Jones wasn't great, at least he portrayed the insane part, which Schrebier hasn't proven he can do ether


What?? It will be worse than BF? I don't think so Tommy Lee Jones would been great Two-Face if the script was decent but Schumacher is gay by making Two-Face act like Joker rip off and Face does NOT giggle every time her tries kill Bats that's NOT Two-Face I know and love and BF didn't portray Two-Face as "insane" as you claim and I think TAS has done great by portraying him close to comics.

As for Schrebier as Harvey Dent I think he will be great and I agree he is NOT only candidate that could do the job Clive Owen, Justin Theroux or Guy Pearce but Schrebier will be better than Mr Lee Jones why? Because BB2 will be better than BF and I believe so that Schrebier will do "insane" part justice since Nolan will more faithful or more close to comics.

[L0ngsh0t]

What?? It will be worse than BF? I don't think so Tommy Lee Jones would been great Two-Face if the script was decent but Schumacher is gay by making Two-Face act like Joker rip off and Face does NOT giggle every time her tries kill Bats that's NOT Two-Face I know and love and BF didn't portray Two-Face as "insane" you claim and I think TAS has done great by portraying close to comics.

As for Schrebier as Harvey Dent I think he will be great and I agree he is NOT only candidate that could do the job Clive Owen, Justin Theroux or but Schrebier will be better than Mr Lee Jones why? Because BB2 will be better than BF and I believe so that Schrebier will do "insane" part great since Nolan will more faithful or more close to comics.


i think it will be better too...but, my question remains, when has schrebier proven he can do that? he hasn't and that is why i don't like him as much... Clive Owen, in closer, plays a psycopathic nightmare, who goes many layers deep into his sexual frustrations..that kind of performence is very much like the one he would give as Dent...Tim Roth, i know he is shorter but in Hoodlum, Resivour Dogs, playing good cop trying to do right, and in Hoodlum playing a psycopath, he can play a Dent Two face...i Schreiber has not done one role that proves that he can take on, both the psycological aspect, and the insane murderer aspect that is Harvey Dent/Two-Face

[Maxwell Smart]

Schreiber can't portray insanity? I guess you haven't seen the Scream films. I thought of him for Two-Face years before BB even came out, and it was because I noticed how on the one hand his character in Scream seemed like he could be a real nice and amiable kind of guy, like he was normal, he also seemed to have a very clear dark side and I noticed how good Schreiber was at mixing these up and swtiching between the two. That and the fact he happens to look a LOT like the TLH Dent are the reasons I first thought of him for the role.

[L0ngsh0t]

the fact that you are using Scream voids the conversation, movies terrible, actings terrible, Schreiber gets out shown by neve campbell courtney cox and david arquette in those movies, how about cox as catwomen, campbell as talia head, and arquette as the joker, cause hes sooo funny, huh? how bout that?

you can't use a movie like scream scream 2 as a legitimate arguing leverage, when for the actors i like i can use Closer, Sin City, Pulp Fiction, and Resivour Dogs, they actors i like have been in classy classy respected movies, and have done respected jobs that have been recognized, and praised by almost anyone who has watched them...schrebier on the other hand, has been in Phantoms, Scream and suppporting roles (that aren't all that impressive, and the exact same) in Denzel Washington movies

take the fact that he looks like TLH Dent out of the conversation, then he wouldn't be anywhere close to the Dent Job because he isn't that good

[Maxwell Smart]

I'm sorry but you can't judge what I do and do not use.

I think he has shown in all of his film roles that he is a good actor. To me in every role hes had hes gone beyond what was written for him. Because, yes, obviously Scream was not a great film but neither was 28 Days Later and I'd still use that as an example of Cillian Murphy's work.

[Maxwell Smart]

Schreiber gets out shown by neve campbell courtney cox and david arquette in those movies, how about cox as catwomen, campbell as talia head, and arquette as the joker, cause hes sooo funny, huh? how bout that?

Don't get smart with me you little punkass *****.

[Whack Arnolds]

Batman and Dent's relationship in TLH > Batman and Dent's relationship in B:TAS

[trustyside-kick]

Batman and Dent's relationship in TLH > Batman and Dent's relationship in B:TAS

Yup, we established that. :)

[Katsuro]

i will leave you with this quote "Well, if Billy is dead...then that means we must have a Copy cat killer!" Schrebier from Scream 2 figuring out the plot, just like a solid D.A. should

Wow, I mean I knew Schrieber was in Scream 2, but I didn't know he wrote the movie... odd.

and how can you say we can't use Scream 2? I dont care how bad the writing was or how bad some of the lead actors performances were, that doens't reflect on him one bit. Every actor does some bad movies. And you can stop with that smartass crap of suggesting other Scream actors for Batman roles. I might as well say "Halle Berry was in Catwoman, should we have Sharon Stone play Wolverine?!?! HAHA!!" "Hugh Jackman was in Kate and Leopold! Meg Ryan for Xavier!!!" Since when does supporting an actor mean you suddently want to cast people they've previously worked with? That's ridiculous.

As for "Schreiber of bust", it's a figure of speech for crying out loud. No one is seriously gonna boycott this movie cuz he isn't casted, we'll just be a bit dissapointed. I know I will. If I see anyone else in that role, even if I like them in the role, i'm always gonna think "I wonder how good Schreiber would've been" Ever since I saw him in Manchurian Candidate, whenever I pciture BB2 in my head, Schriebers in the Dent role. I can just picture him in the rooftop scene, or in Gordon's office along with Oldman and Bale, and it just fits. I can't say for sure, but I really think they'd have great chemistry. I can't say the same for someone like Gyllenhaal, who I think would look very out of place with the big boys Oldman and Bale.

If there's one other person I want for the role, it's Guy Pierce. He was my original first choice, until I saw Schreiber mentioned and watched some of his films. Guy Pierce supposedly doesn't do comic book movies anyways, so I gave up hope of him getting cast.

[L0ngsh0t]

what movies are you talking about that schrebier has done good in...or even, he hasn't done one role different then the next...what makes you honestly believe he is going to do Two-Face different, because while he may look the part, the person he is isn't Harvey Dent, and that is the person he portrays on screen...looks go along ways, but i stick with acting...

i want Gyllenhaal less then schrebier, but to his credit he has been respected more then schrebier has by both me and the acting association that recognizes quality acting, he's been in movies that he has been as bad, and the movies have been as equally bad as schrebiers scream, and phantoms...but scherbier has done nothing that is even eqaul to Darko or Brokeback...I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN SCHREIBER THAT SAYS HE CAN ACT, i've watched his movies, i've given him a fair chance, i watched the none complete **** that he's done (i.e. Hurricane, and Manchurian Candidate) and honestly, i tried to find any resemblence of harvey Dent, any...and i found none...i found a guy that when he acts relies on the fact that he stays behind the shadows of a Denzel Washinton, or Maryl Streep, he doesn't lead any thing, he never takes a scene over, especially in candidate he has chance after chance and finally does it...once...i stood up and clapped because i found some hope that if you morons get your way and he gets chosen as Dent, there is a chance he "might" not suck, he "might not suck...i clapped, i **** you not

the scene i am talking about is the one where he gets shot, and he dosen't even say a word in the whole damn scene ether, but he does a chilling job of said scene

You like Guy Peirce...brilliant, any day i will take him as Two-Face, there is no comparison the stuff he has done pared up against schreiber, none he completley out classes him in every way...i like him

[L0ngsh0t]

I'm sorry but you can't judge what I do and do not use.

I think he has shown in all of his film roles that he is a good actor. To me in every role hes had hes gone beyond what was written for him. Because, yes, obviously Scream was not a great film but neither was 28 Days Later and I'd still use that as an example of Cillian Murphy's work.

28 days latter is 500 times the horror flick scream is btw

[trustyside-kick]

I don't think recalling his work in Scream is a good way to say he is good for playing Two-Face. I want him to be Harvey and all but to refer to that movie role he played is not the best to try to argue with L0ngsh0t about lol.

[L0ngsh0t]

hey trusty side kick thanks for some sensibility...

it's cool if you think schrebier is a good actor and want him as two face, i don't but if we all saw eye to eye we wouldn't have wars and ****, so i can't expect to see eye to eye with all of you...

Schrebier was good in Manchurian, i have been harder on him in that movie then i normally am on actors cause i simpley don't want him to be two-face, but i watched it last night with an open mind...he's good in it...but don't say his work in scream is good

[StorminNorman]

what movies are you talking about that schrebier has done good in...or even, he hasn't done one role different then the next...what makes you honestly believe he is going to do Two-Face different, because while he may look the part, the person he is isn't Harvey Dent, and that is the person he portrays on screen...looks go along ways, but i stick with acting...

i want Gyllenhaal less then schrebier, but to his credit he has been respected more then schrebier has by both me and the acting association that recognizes quality acting, he's been in movies that he has been as bad, and the movies have been as equally bad as schrebiers scream, and phantoms...but scherbier has done nothing that is even eqaul to Darko or Brokeback...I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN SCHREIBER THAT SAYS HE CAN ACT, i've watched his movies, i've given him a fair chance, i watched the none complete **** that he's done (i.e. Hurricane, and Manchurian Candidate) and honestly, i tried to find any resemblence of harvey Dent, any...and i found none...i found a guy that when he acts relies on the fact that he stays behind the shadows of a Denzel Washinton, or Maryl Streep, he doesn't lead any thing, he never takes a scene over, especially in candidate he has chance after chance and finally does it...once...i stood up and clapped because i found some hope that if you morons get your way and he gets chosen as Dent, there is a chance he "might" not suck, he "might not suck...i clapped, i **** you not

the scene i am talking about is the one where he gets shot, and he dosen't even say a word in the whole damn scene ether, but he does a chilling job of said scene

You like Guy Peirce...brilliant, any day i will take him as Two-Face, there is no comparison the stuff he has done pared up against schreiber, none he completley out classes him in every way...i like him

Sorry, I can't respect a guys opinion when he doesn't even understand basic grammar.

-Grammar Harvey Dent
http://www.pigrecoupload.altervista.org/_altervista_ht/aladar/venice/5%20settembre/liev.jpg

[trustyside-kick]

hey trusty side kick thanks for some sensibility...

it's cool if you think schrebier is a good actor and want him as two face, i don't but if we all saw eye to eye we wouldn't have wars and ****, so i can't expect to see eye to eye with all of you...

Schrebier was good in Manchurian, i have been harder on him in that movie then i normally am on actors cause i simpley don't want him to be two-face, but i watched it last night with an open mind...he's good in it...but don't say his work in scream is good

Yea I was surprised people were trying to use his role in Scream to prove that he can "play psychotic" and could pull off Two-Face. :P

[L0ngsh0t]

Sorry, I cant respect a guys opinion when he doesnt even understand the basic grammar.

-Grammar Harvey Dent
http://www.pigrecoupload.altervista.org/_altervista_ht/aladar/venice/5%20settembre/liev.jpg

I'm not going to argue with you because of how lame arguing about stupid **** like this, and i will be the bigger man and let it go first, you can chose to respect or not respect my desicion, but at least i don't choose the actors i want because of popular fan art, and stark similarities to some of the comics...

i won't retaliate to your next post so feel free to say what you wish about how stupid i am, and what you think you know about me, and how great schrebier was in scream etc. feel free

[StorminNorman]

I'm not going to argue with you because of how lame arguing about stupid **** like this, and i will be the bigger man and let it go first, you can chose to respect or not respect my desicion, but at least i don't choose the actors i want because of popular fan art, and stark similarities to some of the comics...

i won't retaliate to your next post so feel free to say what you wish about how stupid i am, and what you think you know about me, and how great schrebier was in scream etc. feel free

I would not of mentioned your poor grammar if not for the fact that you have previously stated that your opinion should hold more weight because you "know what to look for when comparing acting ability" - we are suppose to believe that you are some great scholar even when you do not know when to use than over then?

I did not choose Liev as my candidate because of any comic book comparison, or fan art or his performance on screen - I have wanted him for the role ever since I saw The Manchurian Candidate - before I ever read TLH and before I became a huge Bat-Fan.

[DV8]

I personally think that his role in the Scream films are pretty solid back-ups to him being a great two-face . . . his character is vague; we don't know if he's good or bad, and it's a genuinely believable performance, regardless of how campy the Scream movies were . . .

I'm not even saying "DENT OR BUST", but I think he would do a great job . . .

[L0ngsh0t]

you know what DV8, that is respectable

[DV8]

thanks . . . that's just my opinion . . . who do you want for Dent Longshot?

[trustyside-kick]

Ya I was wondering the same thing.

[TheGrayGhost]

Batman and Dent's relationship in TLH > Batman and Dent's relationship in B:TAS

I'd say it's the other way around...:)

[trustyside-kick]

Well in BTAS Harvey has a friendship with Bruce Wayne. In TLH there is a bump start but soon a friendship forms with Harvey and Batman, not Bruce Wayne. And I prefer TLH one. :)

[TheGrayGhost]

Well in BTAS Harvey has a friendship with Bruce Wayne. In TLH there is a bump start but soon a friendship forms with Harvey and Batman, not Bruce Wayne. And I prefer TLH one. :)

What are you doing?

Oh, and you're wrong about the friendship angle in the DCAU. But I don't want to get into that.

[trustyside-kick]

What are you doing?

Oh, and you're wrong about the friendship angle in the DCAU. But I don't want to get into that.

What?

[TheGrayGhost]

What?

EDIT: Nevermind.

[trustyside-kick]

???? :confused:

[StorminNorman]

What are you doing?

Oh, and you're wrong about the friendship angle in the DCAU. But I don't want to get into that.

Bruce Wayne had a friendship with Harvey Dent prior to his accident - that is a fact, in the DCAU.

I think that TLH is the way to go with the story - the DCAU really hurt the character of Harvey Dent IMO. Harvey should be a fully loveable guy, a golden boy, Gotham's Apollo. The DCAU Harvey is seen blowing up about the tiniest things - it goes to his mental state - but (at least for me personally) turned me off of the character and made the transformation odvious. If you want to add the mental disorder prior to Two Face, do it by showing him, in private, fighting to control his temper. Make the audience feel sympathey for him, do not make him be a loose cannon politican on the edge.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea, and if they do the Bat/Gordon/Dent team thing like in TLH then that will definetly add to the audience sympathizing about it all with Harvey's betrayal.

[L0ngsh0t]

thanks . . . that's just my opinion . . . who do you want for Dent Longshot?


(if you want the short answer go straight to the bottom)
well i don't know forsure, i think it is such a complicated(GrammaBatman help) role, i'm not 100 percent behined any of the actors mentioned so far...they all have elements i like, and they all have elements i don't like...

two of my favorite actors that i would love to see in it are Tim Roth and Clive Owen...i have big doubts if Owen will get it, with Jude Law up for the Joker, i don't think the producers are looking for Batman: Even Closer...Roth i would be surprised if he gets the role...maybe even shocked

now i'll adress actors that are actually legitiamtly up for i think the main 3 are Schrebier, Lucas, Pierce...my favorite actor out of the three is Pierce, i've liked alot of stuff he has done, especially Monte Cristo....

but Lucas has intrigued me, i dunno i still havent come around on Schrebier yet (A recent veiwing of Manchurian has swayed him to a more positive light in my eyes) But Lucas has done some roles with like that cocky cowboy attitude, that i think if you took the cowboy out the cockiness would make an interesting interpuritation(grammer) of Dent, cocky, but in controll still, but his cockiness in the court room could be his undoing (does anyone else like that point of veiw)

some one said it best, thats along way to say nothing, and will give you what i am feeling right now and say i think Lucas has intrigued me the most, i am trying to find more of what he has done, because i loved him Glory Road, he gave a very schrebier in scream like performance in Stealth...ooo but he was good in around the bend, lol

yeah i like lucas at this point, doesn't mean i can't be swayed though

[Digital_Ashes]

Clive Owen for twoface would rock so hard.

[L0ngsh0t]

do you really agree? cause he is in my top 15 favorite actors(somewhere around 9-12) yeah, i love him, Sin City, and Closer are two of my favorite flicks...yeah, i honestly think if i could have anyone he would be my choice

[StorminNorman]

Clive Owen for Two Face would be very nice - but he is behind Liev and Jake Gyllenhaal in my books.

[L0ngsh0t]

behind Gyllenhaal? i don't know about that, i'll let you have your Schrebier, but Jake the snake really? i still can't get over how incredibly young he looks

[trustyside-kick]

Clive Owen for Two Face would be very nice - but he is behind Liev and Jake Gyllenhaal in my books.

I agree with you except with Clive being behind Gyllenhaal. I really cannot see him as Harvey or Two-Face.

[raybia]

Clive Owen for Two Face would be very nice - but he is behind Liev and Jake Gyllenhaal in my books.


No, Gyllenhaal would be behind him.

["V"]

Yes, "The Long Halloween" Dent is the definitve in my mind and should be the basis. Since Nolan and Goyer drew from Long Halloween, and Goyer mentioned the trio taking down Joker and being scarred which is basically TLH arc but replacing Falconi with Joker. Maybe the "Mysterious and small role" for the Joker will be him in a Holiday type role revealing himself in the latter stages.

Joaquin Pheonix would be my number one choice for Dent, I think he strongly resembles him as well.

[L0ngsh0t]

Joaquin Pheonix would be my number one choice for Dent, I think he strongly resembles him as well.


oh yeah....good call, i always forget about him, yeah he would rule too i think

[DV8]

do you really agree? cause he is in my top 15 favorite actors(somewhere around 9-12) yeah, i love him, Sin City, and Closer are two of my favorite flicks...yeah, i honestly think if i could have anyone he would be my choice

Yeah, I would actually like him the most out of all the rumored people . . . I don't think he's really in the mix that much, but he would OWN!!

I really wanted him to be James Bond . . . :(

[L0ngsh0t]

yeah he would be a cool bond!

yeah i'm not sure how in the mix he is, but yeah i would be digging it

[Digital_Ashes]

http://i1.tinypic.com/x2v2f7.jpg

joaquin is my number one
next to clive.

[StorminNorman]

behind Gyllenhaal? i don't know about that, i'll let you have your Schrebier, but Jake the snake really? i still can't get over how incredibly young he looks

look at his more recent pictures - he no longer has that overbearing boyish look to him, our little Jakey has become a man.

[Lone Wolf]

This has been my favorite mock up for Schrieber as Dent/Two-Face since it was posted a few months back, and it's also why he remains my first choice for the role. I give to the person who drew it his props, it's very well done. I believe it was someone here at the Hype who sent it in.


http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/lievtwoface1.jpg

[StorminNorman]

that is brilliance :up:

[Lone Wolf]

Indeed.

[StorminNorman]

Everything about it is perfect - the face being realistic (and not multi colored), the suit being the same color on both sides, I love the glove on the Two-Face side. I think using shadowing to show the difference in the two sides is also the way to go in BB3 (or BB2 for that matter). Great manip.

[DeFett]

I agree - perfect.

I can see that translated to film.

[trustyside-kick]

Everything about it is perfect - the face being realistic (and not multi colored), the suit being the same color on both sides, I love the glove on the Two-Face side. I think using shadowing to show the difference in the two sides is also the way to go in BB3 (or BB2 for that matter). Great manip.

Well...they could have him wear the cool pinstripe suit he had in Dark Victory too. For number 3 I mean since that is when he is supposed to turn into Two-Face.

[Digital_Ashes]

i want coloration not just a deformed face. I want hideous, he was Burnt and scarred and the acid would have left the inside tissue discolored. If anything the discolorations is more true than a non discolored one.

It would be nice to see some COLOR in the next batman.

The only color I recall in the last one is brown.

Maybe shades of red? Who knows.

[trustyside-kick]

They could do Tim Sale's Two-Face design for the deformation of his face just not as exaggerated (no showing the teeth and eyes exposed as much like that) for the film. I just do not want to see his skin all green which would not make sense from him getting burned....seen so many pictures of him in older issues with his deformed side being green. :down :(

[Lone Wolf]

Everything about it is perfect - the face being realistic (and not multi colored), the suit being the same color on both sides, I love the glove on the Two-Face side. I think using shadowing to show the difference in the two sides is also the way to go in BB3 (or BB2 for that matter). Great manip.

I like the suit being that way as well, it resembles alot of what he wore in The Long Halloween which is what I'm hoping Nolan and company go with. I don't want to see the suit being two different colors, like in Batman Forever. Other than that, it's one of the best manips I've seen.

[Two-Face]

I like the suit being that way as well, it resembles alot of what he wore in The Long Halloween which is what I'm hoping Nolan and company go with. I don't want to see the suit being two different colors, like in Batman Forever. Other than that, it's one of the best manips I've seen.

Anything but BF Two-face suit I don't want and I agree if Nolan & Co went with this suit:

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p23.jpg

[Lone Wolf]

Anything but BF Two-face suit I don't want and I agree if Nolan & Co went with this suit:

http://www.vacuumboy9.com/tlh/13p23.jpg

I wouldn't mind seeing this suit either. I could easily see it fitting in well with this franchise, for whoever was chosen for the role of Two-Face.

[DeFett]

Maybe they might do something like having Dent still wearing the suit that he wore when he was attacked with the acid so the half he was attacked on is quite mangled?

[Ronny Shade]

^^
Ack!

I hate that idea. Just because he's a homicidal psycho doesn't men he's not gonna put on some fresh clothes.

[trustyside-kick]

Haha.

[DeFett]

^^
Ack!

I hate that idea. Just because he's a homicidal psycho doesn't men he's not gonna put on some fresh clothes.

OK here is another idea, he gets acid thrown on him goes home and gets his sewing machine out in a fit of rage and makes some threads or even better his Mommy makes him a nice split personality pin striped suit. :)

Maybe I should write BB2 ...better start on my script now.

[Ronny Shade]

Yes, I think he would do that. After all, Harvey's never been the "fit of rage" type as much as he's the methodical killer.

Plus he's OBSESSED with the number 2, with duality. When you're obsessed with stuff, you spend a lot of time at it.

[DeFett]

So your saying he would make his suit?

[trustyside-kick]

Nah but do they really have to show him make his suit? Or even to get it tailored? I do not think that should matter. As long as he is in the suit from Dark Victory it will look awesome.

[DeFett]

It will be interesting to see what Nolan does with Harvey's suit especially after they toned down the Scarcrow's look ...thank god.

[trustyside-kick]

It will be interesting to see what Nolan does with Harvey's suit especially after they toned down the Scarcrow's look ...thank god.

That is way different with Scarecrow. Although I was dissapointed they are taking the whole "realism" thing into the movies. I do not see why they would have to change Harvey's suits cause I mean they are just pinstripe suits with different colors on each side.

[Ronny Shade]

I don't think they should SHOW him make his suit...just have him show up in it like in The Long Halloween. No mention of where he got it.

[trustyside-kick]

I don't think they should SHOW him make his suit...just have him show up in it like in The Long Halloween. No mention of where he got it.

Ya, exactly. And even if they make him wear a completely normal suit...they better make him at least wear the glove on the left hand. :up:

[Ronny Shade]

how about the hand, hm? I was thinking of making a thread on that. Scarred hand? yes? no?

[trustyside-kick]

Nah. That was one thing that sort of bothered me in TAS. It is little I know but still. The acid gets thrown at his face so I do not see a point in his hand being scarred...yea he might try to cover his face immediatley as a reaction to having the acid hurled to him but still.

Also, I do not recall his hand being scarred in TLH or DV. You see normal skin color above the glove and the glove is not very long so you can sort of tell his hand is normal if you know what I mean.

[Ronny Shade]

In TLH its a glove the whole time so you don't know.

Haven't read DV.

[DeFett]

Def glove on one hand ...it brings fear to all.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/DeFett/michael_jackson_glove_20050330jpg_2.jpg

[Katsuro]

He should have a glove on his hand, but not because it's scarred. I didn't like that in BTAS. He's known as Two-Face, so really only his face should be scarred.

As for the suit, as long as it's subtle i'm okay with it. I hated Forever's suit. The TLH suit is nice though.

[trustyside-kick]

He should have a glove on his hand, but not because it's scarred. I didn't like that in BTAS. He's known as Two-Face, so really only his face should be scarred.

As for the suit, as long as it's subtle i'm okay with it. I hated Forever's suit. The TLH suit is nice though.

Yea. He should wear the glove reguardless of it being scarred or not..which I think it should not. It sort of symbolizes his evil side in the sense that when a professional/smart/skilled killer kills he wears gloves to now show his prints. You know? And like you always see a killer put on his gloves right before he kills someone in movies normally to create suspense.

[TheGrayGhost]

He should have a glove on his hand, but not because it's scarred. I didn't like that in BTAS. He's known as Two-Face, so really only his face should be scarred.

As for the suit, as long as it's subtle i'm okay with it. I hated Forever's suit. The TLH suit is nice though.

The name takes on a more figurative than literal meaning. He's "Two-Face" because there are two sides to the same man, not becaus he literally has two faces.

And that's interesting to bring up...

It would make for a cool visual to see Two-Fave flip a coin with a scarred hand like in the DCAU. Awesomeness. But then, again, if any of the rumors about The Joker are true, Nolan probably won't have Harvey flip a coin. I hope this isn't the case.

[Katsuro]

The name takes on a more figurative than literal meaning. He's "Two-Face" because there are two sides to the same man, not becaus he literally has two faces.

And that's interesting to bring up...

It would make for a cool visual to see Two-Fave flip a coin with a scarred hand like in the DCAU. Awesomeness. But then, again, if any of the rumors about The Joker are true, Nolan probably won't have Harvey flip a coin. I hope this isn't the case.

What do you mean if the rumors about Joker are true? Which rumors? Most rumors say we'll see a pretty faithful incarnation of Joker, just one that's different from Nicholson. So how does that affect Two-Face flipping a coin. Unless you mean about Joker scarring Harvey instead of Maroni, and since it was Maroni's coin which was used as evidence in the trial that Two-Face stole.

Trust me, this Two-Face will definatley flip a coin. It's a major character trait. It's like saying Joker wont laugh, or Poison Ivy wont really care for plants.

[trustyside-kick]

Ya I do not get why they would not have Two-Face flip the coin.

I love the flippin of the coin...do you love it? I'm love it...DO YOU LOVE IT? I LOVE IT!

lol. Went a lil overboard...kinda an inside joke at work but I just wanted to do it.

[Ronny Shade]

The coin is an amazing image. Nolan would be very unwise not to use it.

[Weapon M]

In another thread my bro mentioned him wanting to see those 3 working as a team and it reminded me of The Long Halloween and man would that be awesome. What do you guys think about that for the second movie? If not throughout the whole movie than perhaps towards the end of the film is when they do it. Would be awesome for Nolan to put that into the sequel.


I think that would be amazing.. A classic team of investigators.. Taking down one of the greatest menaces ever to strike Gotham. The chemistry off the scale. The friendship of Dent and Batman unmatched. Them working and clicking together and complimenting each other on every turn of events. It would be like magic on screen.
Then at almost the end of the movie. Something happends to Dent.. Maybe Joker sprayin something on his face. And then that is a precurser to part 3! Best friends now mortal enemies! (Sounds cheesy,, but can be executed classically though)..

[trustyside-kick]

This thread was going real well when I first created it...I wonder...

bump

:)

[BatZiLLa54]

So people would be absolutely fine if instead of Falcone throwing the acid in his face it was the Joker? I'm not sure it would sit with me well, I just can't picture The Joker sitting in a court house on trial.....

[trustyside-kick]

So people would be absolutely fine if instead of Falcone throwing the acid in his face it was the Joker? I'm not sure it would sit with me well, I just can't picture The Joker sitting in a court house on trial.....

Falcone never throws the acid onto Harvey...:confused:

Sal Maroni does in the comics.