View Full Version : Erica Bana's status...
L0ngsh0t
04-28-2006, 04:26 PM
Hey i was just wondering if you guys know if Eric Bana is coming back for the sequel..if he is do you think that is a good thing...if he isn't who do you think should replace him...
Clobberin' Time
04-28-2006, 04:31 PM
Eric Bana has no commitments after he's done with 'Romulus My Father', he also said that he'd be keen to reprise the role of Banner if it was done within a certain time frame.
As for a possible replacement for Eric Bana, I'd go with Dougray Scot.
Trooper
04-29-2006, 03:38 PM
Avi Arad knows that Eric Bana is a superb actor and Eric Bana admires the franchise
Advanced Dark
05-01-2006, 01:21 AM
http://www.moviehole.net has Eric Bana filming in some Romulus film right now. News is on there front page. Nothing on Hulk 2 yet.
insanesuperhero
05-26-2006, 08:36 AM
The first movie sucked majorly to all Hulk fans. The only thing that I remotely liked about it is that Eric Bana was in it. So by all means give the role of Bruce Banner to him again. I might even consider going to see it.
AVEITWITHJAMON
05-26-2006, 10:26 AM
The movie never sucked to all Hulk fans you ****ing idiot, there are plenty of Hulk fans on here who loved the movie, me included.
Brian Braddock
05-27-2006, 01:29 PM
The movie never sucked to all Hulk fans you ****ing idiot, there are plenty of Hulk fans on here who loved the movie, me included.
I'm with you there buddy - sure it had its flaws but it definately didnt suck. It was just different from some peoples pre-conceived idea of how it should/was going to be.
The CGI was 1st rate and as a Hulk fan (regardless of if you like the movie or not) surely must have geeked out at seeing the Hulk trashing the Army in the desert. Thats what we've been waiting years to see).
But I digress, yeah - I 'd like to see Bana reprise the role.
BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN
05-27-2006, 01:31 PM
The movie never sucked to all Hulk fans you ****ing idiot, there are plenty of Hulk fans on here who loved the movie, me included.
Yeah! What HE said.....but without the "freakin' idiot" part. It still just trips me out that the more people say they enjoyed the movie, the MORE others try to interject with a negative comment about "how the movie wasn't good..", and all that crap. Amazing. Three years later, and still with the hate.
neemer5
06-06-2006, 03:13 PM
Honestly, I do hope they get Bana, and Connely, and Ang Lee back. They've all proved themselves to be amazing talents since Hulk.
Spider-Fan
06-06-2006, 06:34 PM
Eric Bana is one of the best modern actors out there. I really hope he comes back.
Advanced Dark
06-07-2006, 01:35 AM
I just e-mailed Clint regarding Bana (whom he knows) and got this response:
Q.Hey Clint, Can you dig up the following: I'd like to know if Eric Bana is still under contract to make “Hulk 2” now that the rights have reverted to Marvel. Whether he is or not has Marvel contacted him regarding “Hulk 2” yet? Have you heard any rumors about the director? Also Avi Arad said he was hoping “Captain America” would be the first film from Marvel's internal slate but the director he wanted wasn't available till 2009...so clearly they're waiting for him. I have a feeling it's Steven Spielberg who actually loves Cap and worked on the old cartoons briefly. PS If you know something but can't say anything blink twice. :) - Advanced Dark
A. I’ve heard the Spielberg/”Captain America” rumours too, but it’s too early to say. As for “Hulk 2”, I have an interview coming up with Eric Bana, in which he states that he still hasn’t heard a peep out of Marvel regarding the sequel. They say it’s full-speed ahead, but they’ve yet to contact the star yet…saying he’s required back. Rather silly. Read into that what you will.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-07-2006, 03:21 AM
I just e-mailed Clint regarding Bana (whom he knows) and got this response:
Well that doesnt sound promising at all.
Advanced Dark
06-07-2006, 03:25 AM
^ I have no worries about Marvel handling this project at all.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-07-2006, 05:58 AM
^ I have no worries about Marvel handling this project at all.
Well, i do, they need to get on phone to Bana now and tell him its happening or he will sign up for other movies, if they cant get Bana they may as well wait 5 more years and do a re-start.
Kritish
06-07-2006, 09:05 AM
Kevin Bacon's penis could be the Hulk.
It turned invisible in hollow man.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-07-2006, 09:23 AM
:up: Sound
Advanced Dark
06-07-2006, 09:43 AM
Well, i do, they need to get on phone to Bana now and tell him its happening or he will sign up for other movies, if they cant get Bana they may as well wait 5 more years and do a re-start.
There's no need for a damn re-start. The first movie was a solid origin film. Different but good. Now the fun can begin. Who doesn't know The Hulk's origin anyways?
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-08-2006, 03:17 AM
There's no need for a damn re-start. The first movie was a solid origin film. Different but good. Now the fun can begin. Who doesn't know The Hulk's origin anyways?
Well thats what i am trying to say, the last thing i want is to wait another 5 years for another Hulk movie, but if marvel dont get their asses in gear and get in touch with Bana soon, he will be well within his rights to sign up for other movies coming out in 2008. If i was marvel, i would have phoned him as soon as Penn was announced to wright the script. But it seems they are dawdeling.
Dragon
06-08-2006, 04:33 AM
There's no need for a damn re-start. The first movie was a solid origin film. Different but good. Now the fun can begin. Who doesn't know The Hulk's origin anyways?
Ang Lee for one. Anyone who points to the movie or TV show as the source for the Hulk's origin for two +.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-08-2006, 05:17 AM
They did know the origins Dragon, they just chose to update it. Who would do gamma bomb testing in a desert these days, no one.
Advanced Dark
06-08-2006, 05:26 AM
Ang Lee for one. Anyone who points to the movie or TV show as the source for the Hulk's origin for two +.
Even Stan Lee said the original Hulk's origin was fabricated in a matter of minutes and he agreed it wouldn't make sense in today's world with what we know now compared to back then. I think the origin was improved but the dad's changing into Absorbing was just dumb.
Dragon
06-08-2006, 06:10 AM
Even Stan Lee said the original Hulk's origin was fabricated in a matter of minutes and he agreed it wouldn't make sense in today's world with what we know now compared to back then. I think the origin was improved but the dad's changing into Absorbing was just dumb.
Why wouldn't it make sense, and Ang's origin make more sense? Regardless, it's fantasy and completely unrealistic. But the cataclysm of the bomb as birthing the Hulk is more fitting visually as well as symbolically. AND- makes for an anti-war statement. Ang's origin is just dull (Which is why he tried to enhance it by still inserting the visual of a nuclear blast).
As for Stan's statements- he was simply giving the company explanation. Just as he signed off on Gwen Stacy dying in the comics after the fact, but recently said he didn't want her to die. Just like he said he could have made mechanical webshooters work in the Spidey movies after the film's release.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-08-2006, 08:03 AM
Who tests nuclear type weapons in desert today Dragon, no one, there is no way the origin could remain the same.
Dragon
06-08-2006, 09:17 AM
Who tests nuclear type weapons in desert today Dragon, no one, there is no way the origin could remain the same.
Just before the Iraq war they tested a new sonic bomb. So new weapons are always being tested. AND- Since the point of the Gamma Bomb is that it's an ANTI-NUKE, in that it doesn't cause radioactive residue- there would be every point in testing it. AND IT'S A GODDAMNED MOVIE. You show a gripping story. If we can deal with a fictional creature such as the Hulk, we can deal with fictional circumstances such as a bomb test :rolleyes:
So new weapons are always being tested. AND- Since the point of the Gamma Bomb is that it's an ANTI-NUKE, in that it doesn't cause radioactive residue- there would be every point in testing it. Actually you can have it both ways. Around the release of Hulk to theatres there was a news piece that the US was developing new gamma bombs. I even linked it a couple times in various threads.
However there is no above ground testing these days. I once said before they could just have the underground bomb fail to fire, days later Bruce is trying to dismantle the bomb when it explodes(perhaps detonated on purpose). I wouldn't want Rick Jones around, and he's linked to the Capt. America character now anyway. Can contrive some reason for Bruce to be saving someone at the time. Gamma Bomb blast + Hulk. :up: :marv:
Right? :hulk: But I guess that would only really work with a new film restarting the franchise.
Another thought with the sequel is have a more potent gamma warhead missile sent to destroy the Hulk(huge blast, then have Hulk walk out from behind the dust cloud and see him regenerate the massive damage to his body as if it were nothing). And it stops him Hulking out to huge heights and keeps his colouring consistent(due to the great levels of gamma radiation he absorbed). Fix those things fans didn't like. Instead of having wierd changes between films, have a reason for it. Nothing challenges the suspension of disbelief more than inconsistency between sequels(atleast for me anyway). :down :mad:
Cracker Jack
06-08-2006, 12:14 PM
Ang Lee for one. Anyone who points to the movie or TV show as the source for the Hulk's origin for two +.
LOL! :up: I was going to post the same answer yesterday. Dragon, there's no sence in arguing. The Gamma Bomb Origin, one of the most memorable and dramatic comic origin in the history of comics, would never work today because.........................they say so and no one would believe it. :down But a guy can get out of the loony bin, a guy that blew up a base 20 some years ago. He can walk right into a goverment lab, kill Barney, take his job so he can be close to his son and no one blinks. :rolleyes: Now that's what I call realistic..................NOT:hulk:
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-09-2006, 03:23 AM
Actually you can have it both ways. Around the release of Hulk to theatres there was a news piece that the US was developing new gamma bombs. I even linked it a couple times in various threads.
However there is no above ground testing these days. I once said before they could just have the underground bomb fail to fire, days later Bruce is trying to dismantle the bomb when it explodes(perhaps detonated on purpose). I wouldn't want Rick Jones around, and he's linked to the Capt. America character now anyway. Can contrive some reason for Bruce to be saving someone at the time. Gamma Bomb blast + Hulk. :up: :marv:
Right? :hulk: But I guess that would only really work with a new film restarting the franchise.
Another thought with the sequel is have a more potent gamma warhead missile sent to destroy the Hulk(huge blast, then have Hulk walk out from behind the dust cloud and see him regenerate the massive damage to his body as if it were nothing). And it stops him Hulking out to huge heights and keeps his colouring consistent(due to the great levels of gamma radiation he absorbed). Fix those things fans didn't like. Instead of having wierd changes between films, have a reason for it. Nothing challenges the suspension of disbelief more than inconsistency between sequels(atleast for me anyway). :down :mad:
I totally agree, despite the fact that a lot of people dislike the origin in the movie, we are now stuck with it, i hope they keep as much consistency as possible with the original.
Dragon
06-09-2006, 08:27 AM
Actually you can have it both ways. Around the release of Hulk to theatres there was a news piece that the US was developing new gamma bombs. I even linked it a couple times in various threads.
However there is no above ground testing these days. I once said before they could just have the underground bomb fail to fire, days later Bruce is trying to dismantle the bomb when it explodes(perhaps detonated on purpose). I wouldn't want Rick Jones around, and he's linked to the Capt. America character now anyway. Can contrive some reason for Bruce to be saving someone at the time. Gamma Bomb blast + Hulk. :up: :marv:
Right? :hulk: But I guess that would only really work with a new film restarting the franchise.
Another thought with the sequel is have a more potent gamma warhead missile sent to destroy the Hulk(huge blast, then have Hulk walk out from behind the dust cloud and see him regenerate the massive damage to his body as if it were nothing). And it stops him Hulking out to huge heights and keeps his colouring consistent(due to the great levels of gamma radiation he absorbed). Fix those things fans didn't like. Instead of having wierd changes between films, have a reason for it. Nothing challenges the suspension of disbelief more than inconsistency between sequels(atleast for me anyway). :down :mad:
The story itself can explain why there'd be an above ground test- the fact that the Gamma Bomb is meant to be a "clean" nuke. They mean to prove the bomb's worthiness by showing that it causes no long term damage to the environment.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-09-2006, 09:55 AM
The story itself can explain why there'd be an above ground test- the fact that the Gamma Bomb is meant to be a "clean" nuke. They mean to prove the bomb's worthiness by showing that it causes no long term damage to the environment.
Well, that sounds like something that would not happen today.
Dragon
06-09-2006, 10:56 AM
Well, that sounds like something that would not happen today.
I seriously doubt anyone would be walking out on the film for that. Afterall, it is about a man who transforms into a green-skinned brute.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-09-2006, 11:23 AM
I seriously doubt anyone would be walking out on the film for that. Afterall, it is about a man who transforms into a green-skinned brute.
While the movie will have a big green man in it, it still needs to keep as real as possible, even though the X-men had mutants in who could control weather and anything metal, the first two movies were still very grounded in reality and that was a major factor in their success. Look at what happened with X3 when they went more comic book instead of real, it was a disaster.
Dragon
06-09-2006, 03:42 PM
Shall we go down the list of improbabilities in Ang's film?
Advanced Dark
06-09-2006, 07:14 PM
^ That's not the point. You're supposed to accept the fact that the Hulk exists and his origin is real and in the real world. It's called suspending disbelief. That doesn't mean everyone should be able to fly, and monkeys can talk. The Hulk did a great job IMO, however King Kong truly screwed up by making chubby characters outmaneuver dinosaur predators on foot and fight off hordes of beasts, fall down 500 foot cliffs, etc...I mean honestly can you see Jack Black scaling a vine with equipment on his back over 100ft. LMFAO You're supposed to suspend disbelief about the creatures in the film not the human characters because they're not supposed to be "super" in Kong. So in the Hulk everyone accepts the fact that the Hulk is the Hulk and it's possible per the film for him to become The Hulk. So everything should fit in place around that. I'm sure to some of you this all sounds like blah blah blah blah blah & blah. LMAO
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-12-2006, 04:02 AM
I have to disagree with yon on Kong AD, i thought that movie was awesome, but i agree with your Hulk comments.
Advanced Dark
06-12-2006, 06:25 AM
^ To each his own but Kongs action sequences except for the ending and the one fight with the Dino just cheapend the entire movie. Too corny.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-12-2006, 08:59 AM
^ To each his own but Kongs action sequences except for the ending and the one fight with the Dino just cheapend the entire movie. Too corny.
Well again i disagree, i consider Kong as PJ's fourth masterpiece, and if anything, the action sequences are a major factor in that.
Golgo-13
06-13-2006, 06:37 PM
The movie never sucked to all Hulk fans you ****ing idiot, there are plenty of Hulk fans on here who loved the movie, me included.
I know that your entitled to your opinion, but seriously, do you and i watch the same movie? Because the one i watched sucked! And i've been a Hulk fan since i was 6 years old.....
Advanced Dark
06-13-2006, 06:39 PM
I loved The Hulk movie but it's clearly not the kind of film kids want to see from start to finish over and over.
Symbiote Hulk
06-14-2006, 03:59 PM
I know that your entitled to your opinion, but seriously, do you and i watch the same movie? Because the one i watched sucked! And i've been a Hulk fan since i was 6 years old.....
If the Movie would be exactly like you comic fans would want it to be, they would only end up making 90 000 000 $ Worlwide. Comics and Movies are 2 different things, you cannot translate exactly one to the other or else people will get bored and have no enthusiasm.
Advanced Dark
06-14-2006, 04:01 PM
^ I totally agree except that there are certain elements that made the character popular to begin with and the stories popular. Avi Arad knows this and knows exactly what to do. IT's quite clear he's on the right page for a bigger box office and pleasing the fans.
AVEITWITHJAMON
06-15-2006, 03:56 AM
I know that your entitled to your opinion, but seriously, do you and i watch the same movie? Because the one i watched sucked! And i've been a Hulk fan since i was 6 years old.....
Well clearly we werent watching the same movie, because i love Ang Lee's Hulk, its in the top 5 CB movies ever IMO, and most people i know loved it.
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 01:09 AM
Update from Clint (Eric Bana's friend) at Moviehole:
Q. Hello
I always believe you over any other movie site. IMDB said that the next Bruce Banner is probably gonna be either Brendan Fraser or Dominic Purcell...that'd be kinda cool if Brendan Fraser did it.. If so how many movies is this guy gonna make in the near future!! Thanks again for all the movie info. -Nick
A. Hey Nick. OK, what I hear is that the studio is definitely going to try for Eric Bana again, and if he decides to give it a pass, they will explore other boys for the role, but probably not Brendan or Dominic.
I'm starting to think Eric will be back. Whether he likes it or not this movie keeps his name in the limelight.
Update from Clint (Eric Bana's friend) at Moviehole:
I'm starting to think Eric will be back. Whether he likes it or not this movie keeps his name in the limelight.Cool thanks for the update AD! :):up:
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-14-2006, 03:14 AM
Update from Clint (Eric Bana's friend) at Moviehole:
I'm starting to think Eric will be back. Whether he likes it or not this movie keeps his name in the limelight.
Super news, please Eric Bana come back!!!! Hulk fans WANT YOU IN THIS MOVIE.
covenant
07-14-2006, 09:23 AM
^^^ Here Here
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 10:38 AM
Another scooper on the front page just said the same thing. Also it turns out that it was NOT Clint who wrote that quote in the gossip column but someone taking over for him. I e-mailed clint saying great news and he replied "Did I already post that?". I looked back it it wasn't him, but Clints question makes it clear he was getting ready to post something but was probably waiting till the comic-con or something. I'll see him there.
There's 4 confirmations! Bana, Clint, his partner, & the scooper here. Smart move Marvel!
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-14-2006, 10:50 AM
Another scooper on the front page just said the same thing. Also it turns out that it was NOT Clint who wrote that quote in the gossip column but someone taking over for him. I e-mailed clint saying great news and he replied "Did I already post that?". I looked back it it wasn't him, but Clints question makes it clear he was getting ready to post something but was probably waiting till the comic-con or something. I'll see him there.
There's 4 confirmations! Bana, Clint, his partner, & the scooper here. Smart move Marvel!
While this is good news, i'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
Lobster Charlie
07-14-2006, 10:57 AM
Eric Bana was one of my bigger problems with the film. He was way too much of a meathead to be "puny Banner." Recast the entire damned thing. Lets get scrawny guy in there.
I say bring NOBODY back from the old movie, that way we'll have a nice clean relaunch.
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 11:04 AM
^ I think (as do most people on the planet) the he did a great job. Bana was never a problem even to most of those who didn't like the film.
lordofthenerds
07-14-2006, 11:17 AM
^ I think (as do most people on the planet) the he did a great job. Bana was never a problem even to most of those who didn't like the film.
Yeah I liked his performance as Banner. And it sounds like he's coming back. :up:
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-14-2006, 11:32 AM
^ I think (as do most people on the planet) the he did a great job. Bana was never a problem even to most of those who didn't like the film.
Thats true, people who disliked the movie often say they liked Bana and the desert fight.
Chris Wallace
07-14-2006, 12:02 PM
His return, however unlikely, would be most welcome.
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 12:17 PM
^ The Desert fight has yet to be beat in any superhero film action sequence. It's unmatched IMO & Even better than the Spiderman 2 train sequence, and the end of Batman Begins IMO.
^ The Desert fight has yet to be beat in any superhero film action sequence. It's unmatched IMO & Even better than the Spiderman 2 train sequence, and the end of Batman Begins IMO.Agreed, the action in Hulk is some of the best around. When he fights the dogs, and then the military, and then David. I love all of it. :hulk:
News on the frontpage of SHH (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=4498):
Guess who I met at a St. Kilda match a few days back? The Hulk himself - EB. Eric Bana. He's filming a movie ["Romulus, My Father"] here in Victoria here at the moment. He said that Franka Potente from "Run Lola Run" is in it. Having heard all this nonsense about "The Hulk" (c'mon Brendan Fraser!??!), I thought I would ask him if he's coming back or not. He gave me an answer which makes me think he might return. He said it depends on a lot of things, like the script, the timing and whether they want him. But he'd be happy too, and he's looking to talk about "that one real soon". I asked whether Jennifer Connelly is coming back, he said he doesn't "know mate, but I don't think so".
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 12:30 PM
Yeah I referenced that front page news in an earlier post above somewhere. LOL I didn't paste it here though. :)
Iron Man™
07-14-2006, 12:32 PM
Eric Bana must return for Hulk. I don't want anyone else for this role. Especially Brendan Fraser, though I wouldn't mind Dominic Purcell.
BANA DAMNIT!!!
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/Hulk/hulk0.gif
Agreed, the action in Hulk is some of the best around. When he fights the dogs, and then the military, and then David. I love all of it. :hulk:
News on the frontpage of SHH (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=4498):
YAY!!!
i really hope he returns... please god
Chris Wallace
07-14-2006, 12:43 PM
Eric Bana must return for Hulk. I don't want anyone else for this role. Especially Brendan Fraser, though I wouldn't mind Dominic Purcell.
BANA DAMNIT!!!
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/Hulk/hulk0.gif
Purcell? DRAKE? Hell, no!:down
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 12:44 PM
Yeah I'd hate to see Purcell as Bana but if he did get it I'd support it. I'd honestly rather have Fraser. To hell with both of them though...we want Bana back.
Iron Man™
07-14-2006, 12:51 PM
Purcell? DRAKE? Hell, no!:down
IMO. :o
But like everyone else, I want Bana back for sure.
Chris Wallace
07-14-2006, 01:17 PM
There's just no logic to that. He's too big, for one thing.
Advanced Dark
07-14-2006, 01:41 PM
The problem I'd have w/Purcell is just thinking of how idiotic he looked and acted in Trinity. Like a 70's goomba.
Hypestyle
07-14-2006, 01:43 PM
I definitely want Bana back.. helps with visual continuity..
Iron Man™
07-14-2006, 01:44 PM
The problem I'd have w/Purcell is just thinking of how idiotic he looked and acted in Trinity. Like a 70's goomba.
Damn, I forgot he was in Trinity. I hated his performance there. :down
Well it's seems like things are moving toward a positive direction for Bana returning. I do hope that happens. I thought he was a great casting choice.
I too hope that Jennifer Connolly and Sam Elliott reprise their roles too.
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-15-2006, 05:10 AM
^ The Desert fight has yet to be beat in any superhero film action sequence. It's unmatched IMO & Even better than the Spiderman 2 train sequence, and the end of Batman Begins IMO.
True, as far as CB movies go, it hasnt been beaten yet (though i havent seen SR), and i cant see it being beaten until the sequel to be honest.
HULKSTER'04
07-15-2006, 08:14 AM
hey you guys,they said eric bana is still interested in comming back to reprise his role! positive news for us!
TheVileOne
07-15-2006, 04:27 PM
I think Bana was a problem and I didn't buy his performance at all.
PUNY BANNER he was not. Bana wasn't nerdy or an egg-head braniac type at all.
Golgo-13
07-15-2006, 05:56 PM
I think Bana was a problem and I didn't buy his performance at all.
PUNY BANNER he was not. Bana wasn't nerdy or an egg-head braniac type at all.
Agreed. I'd like to see someone that is really skinny, so that the contrast between Banner and Hulk would be more awesome. Bana was already muscular, so i wasn't buying the whole puny scientist thing. Someone like Jim Caveziel or Cilian Murphy would be much better.
TheVileOne
07-15-2006, 06:18 PM
That's actually more of an inspired casting choice.
Bana was too much of a beefcake. And he didn't even wear glasses once!
gvcool2
07-16-2006, 09:17 PM
That's actually more of an inspired casting choice.
Bana was too much of a beefcake. And he didn't even wear glasses once!
why do they have to give in to geeky stereotypes to make us believe he's a scientist/nerd, the focus was not on banners nerd persona but on his damaged and repressed memories and it was these that released the hulk, which i feel bana showed with great intensity.
BTW dominic purcell = the worst casting choice I could think of, hes a brute already, if they were to slap some green paint on him, he could easier play the hulk.
Advanced Dark
07-17-2006, 12:17 AM
That's actually more of an inspired casting choice.
Bana was too much of a beefcake. And he didn't even wear glasses once!
Are you into beefcakes or something?
Symbiote Hulk
07-17-2006, 12:23 AM
Meh, Bana's nerdy enough for me. He might not be your classic 90 pounds nerd but.....he's playing a nerd with a beer belly, good enough.
Advanced Dark
07-17-2006, 12:30 AM
Bana was perfect for the character on film. Maybe in 20 years will get another Hulk series with a new actor and we'll see a different take on it but for now hopefully we get Bana back and they do the story right.
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-17-2006, 03:27 AM
I definately want Bana back, i thought he did a good job of portraying a weak, nerdy scientist in the first movie.
TheVileOne
07-17-2006, 03:41 AM
why do they have to give in to geeky stereotypes to make us believe he's a scientist/nerd, the focus was not on banners nerd persona but on his damaged and repressed memories and it was these that released the hulk, which i feel bana showed with great intensity.
Bana didn't come off as a braniac, smart guy type. He seemed more like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, with the same gruff voice and the tortured past.
I think him being a passive more of a scientist type is more interesting. Bana didn't really bring that to the role. He didn't seem like PUNY BANNER either.
BTW dominic purcell = the worst casting choice I could think of, hes a brute already, if they were to slap some green paint on him, he could easier play the hulk.
Well I agree with that, it's worse than casting him as DRACULA. It's funny how the Blade villains got worse with the third movie and the TV series. They essentially became the type of villains that Blade was knocking on in the first movie.
gvcool2
07-17-2006, 09:53 PM
Bana didn't come off as a braniac, smart guy type. He seemed more like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, with the same gruff voice and the tortured past.
I think him being a passive more of a scientist type is more interesting. Bana didn't really bring that to the role. He didn't seem like PUNY BANNER either.
Well I agree with that, it's worse than casting him as DRACULA. It's funny how the Blade villains got worse with the third movie and the TV series. They essentially became the type of villains that Blade was knocking on in the first movie.
I think the direction Lee was going with the PUNY BANNER angle was more, weak in spirit than weak in physicality, which was the direction of the entire movie, and ye they took alot of liberties with the source material but i feel overall the final product was an emotionally charged drama, which i feel many other hulk fans did not like due to the character being a wrecking machine, which at times i felt showed greatest as the action scenes seemed so distant from the drama of it all, like Lee was making two seperate films...oh well lets hope for a better sequel.
I was such a big fan of the blade movies and even tolerated the 3rd as a popcorn flick, but I watched the pilot of the blade series and I could not believe what crap it truly was and I havn't watched it since. Kirk Jones is a joke to the franchise and his cheap imitation of Snipes doesn't even work on a low budget t.v show, it felt more like a porn performance.
Symbiote Hulk
07-17-2006, 10:50 PM
Bana was perfect for the character on film. Maybe in 20 years will get another Hulk series with a new actor and we'll see a different take on it but for now hopefully we get Bana back and they do the story right.
Are you sure that in 20 years we'll still be into that stuff?
TheVileOne
07-18-2006, 02:26 AM
I didn't really feel much from Bana at all in this movie. Or much emotion or drama either.
Spider-man incited a lot more emotions than the Hulk did.
HULKSTER'04
07-18-2006, 03:08 AM
please! you're as blind as your opinion! many HULK fans liked bana! and wants him back to reprise his role.
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-18-2006, 05:08 AM
I saw plenty of emotions from Bana, his anger moments were great, and the moment were he re-visits his house he shows plenty of emotion, not to mention the scene's with his father.
Obi-Ron
07-18-2006, 09:54 AM
please! you're as blind as your opinion! many HULK fans liked bana! and wants him back to reprise his role.
This Hulk fan can do without him.
This Hulk fan can do without him.
Bana didnt have what he needed to show what he can do, He can act, trust me on that.
Obi-Ron
07-18-2006, 10:04 AM
I've seen other work he's done, but he wasn't quite right for "Krenzler."
He was too big...Josh Lucas is smaller than him, Talbot beating up Banner just did not seem like much of a threat
He also came across as bland and unemotional, I blame this on the fact that he was trying to affect an American accent, and never quite pulled it off.
I've seen other work he's done, but he wasn't quite right for "Krenzler."
He was too big...Josh Lucas is smaller than him, Talbot beating up Banner just did not seem like much of a threat
He also came across as bland and unemotional, I blame this on the fact that he was trying to affect an American accent, and never quite pulled it off.
you realize that he was playing an emotionally repressed character right?... thats excatly what Ang wanted. Munich shows that the guy can emote and act very well, Ang just wanted him to be emotionless. I know someone's is going to bring in Bill Bixby's character from the show, they were 2 different characters if you really think about it.
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-19-2006, 03:26 AM
you realize that he was playing an emotionally repressed character right?... thats excatly what Ang wanted. Munich shows that the guy can emote and act very well, Ang just wanted him to be emotionless. I know someone's is going to bring in Bill Bixby's character from the show, they were 2 different characters if you really think about it.
Thats the argument i often use, and its true, Ang wanted BB to be totally emotionless at first, it was only when is repressed memories came out that his full emotions manifested themselves through the Hulk.
DACrowe
07-20-2006, 03:05 PM
Well the movie had its problems but Bana was not one of them. Bana is a rising actor in Hollywood and a great one at that. He was charismatic and enigmatic as the lead in Hulk even while being emotionless. HIs character is not as obvious as Peter Parker is in Raimi's movies or even Bruce Wayne in in Nolan's but he is fascinating in his own right.
And for proof check out Munich. The best movie of last year and a brilliant performance (not the best of the year, but certainly in the top 10 and deserving of a nomination) or even Troy, in which he steals the show from Brad Pitt and saves the movie from being a total bust, really.
Chris Wallace
07-20-2006, 03:34 PM
The Troy part is debatable; I kept wishing he'd Hulk out & trash everybody.
Brian Braddock
07-20-2006, 04:32 PM
Thats the argument i often use, and its true, Ang wanted BB to be totally emotionless at first, it was only when is repressed memories came out that his full emotions manifested themselves through the Hulk.
damn straight. :up:
Steelsheen
07-20-2006, 07:24 PM
i want Bana back.
heck i want the entire original cast back.
Ahura Mazda
07-21-2006, 03:45 AM
I hope Bana comes back because he is a great actor of today. I do however agree he is not puny in any way relative to other humans......but then again all humans are puny relative to the Hulk so really does it matter (I would not be saying the same thing if the Hulk was Lou Ferrigno).
It is a chance to have an actor of his calibre to play in such a role so therefore it would be unfortunate to lose him.
Well the movie had its problems but Bana was not one of them. Bana is a rising actor in Hollywood and a great one at that. He was charismatic and enigmatic as the lead in Hulk even while being emotionless. HIs character is not as obvious as Peter Parker is in Raimi's movies or even Bruce Wayne in in Nolan's but he is fascinating in his own right.
And for proof check out Munich. The best movie of last year and a brilliant performance (not the best of the year, but certainly in the top 10 and deserving of a nomination) or even Troy, in which he steals the show from Brad Pitt and saves the movie from being a total bust, really.
thank you, i was surprised he didnt get nominated for anything that year, he was great in Munich IMO
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-21-2006, 04:52 AM
I have still to watch Munich, it looks great and i keep meaning to rent it but never do.
i liked it, Bana was great in it.
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-21-2006, 05:03 AM
^I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about the movie to be honest.
i'm surprised at how badly the film did in the BO, but then again, Spielberg didnt want to promote the film too much and it back fired on him.
AVEITWITHJAMON
07-21-2006, 06:55 AM
^ They didnt really need it to be successful though, it wasnt as if it ws going to get a sequel if it was!
^ They didnt really need it to be successful though, it wasnt as if it ws going to get a sequel if it was!
yeah but more successful the film, the more people will know about Bana and how great he is.
Advanced Dark
07-23-2006, 01:42 AM
Leterrier at the Marvel panel (or maybe it was Avi...I forgot who now) defused the rumors again about the DTV and remake, but he also said Brendan Fraser and Duchovny are not in talks.
Steelsheen
07-23-2006, 08:51 AM
^^ i guess we have to start watching Bana's camp very closely. you said they said this was a sequel right? so contractually Bana is bound to play Bruce Banner? they could be negotiating as we speak.
Bana was Great , he is Bruce Banner and he should be IN !
I liked him in Ang Lees version and he is not unknown, he fits very well.
Is he IN ? hope so...
Dynasty
07-25-2006, 04:26 AM
i want Bana back.
heck i want the entire original cast back.
So true, plus the original Hulk looked like Eric Bana as the Hulk.
when is Bana's new film out?
Malus
08-07-2006, 08:21 AM
I saw plenty of emotions from Bana, his anger moments were great, and the moment were he re-visits his house he shows plenty of emotion, not to mention the scene's with his father.
The "Daddy-killed-Mommy-and-I-repressed-the-memory" bullcrap was my main problem with Ang Lee's mangling of the Hulk. None of that was necessary. If you just have to go mucking up the Hulk's origins, then the 70's tv show's origin followed a better premise, in my opinion: After being unable to free his wife from a terrible car accident, Banner discovers that some people (even frail old ladies) have been documented lifting vehicles right off the ground in times of similar stress. Banner becomes understandably obsessed with finding out why. He discovers that gamma radiation was way up during those apparently miraculous feats and way down at the time of his and his wife's accident. This discovery leads to Banner bathing himself in gamma radiation, and one stubborn flat tire later, the Hulk was born. No disturbing traumatized child bullcrap.
Everything was scaled down in the tv show (especially the Hulk's size relative to the comics) but emotionally it clicked with people. The psychodrama that Ang Lee trotted out was not any Hulk that I know, and the deranged Daddy stuff insured that no kid of mine will watch the film til they're at least 9 or 10 years old. Very grim, very negative stuff. It didn't have to be that way, and there's no way Lee & Kirby would have signed off on the mangling had it been submitted for their approval.
But yes, Bana was top notch in the part and I hope he's back.
Even if they were totally re-doing the origin story, I'd still be for keeping him.
And since all the sicko killer Daddy stuff was dispensed with in the first film, maybe they can simply move forward with a more recognizable Hulk story.
That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
DACMAN
08-07-2006, 10:32 AM
The "Daddy-killed-Mommy-and-I-repressed-the-memory" bullcrap was my main problem with Ang Lee's mangling of the Hulk. None of that was necessary. If you just have to go mucking up the Hulk's origins, then the 70's tv show's origin followed a better premise, in my opinion: After being unable to free his wife from a terrible car accident, Banner discovers that some people (even frail old ladies) have been documented lifting vehicles right off the ground in times of similar stress. Banner becomes understandably obsessed with finding out why. He discovers that gamma radiation was way up during those apparently miraculous feats and way down at the time of his and his wife's accident. This discovery leads to Banner bathing himself in gamma radiation, and one stubborn flat tire later, the Hulk was born. No disturbing traumatized child bullcrap.
Everything was scaled down in the tv show (especially the Hulk's size relative to the comics) but emotionally it clicked with people. The psychodrama that Ang Lee trotted out was not any Hulk that I know, and the deranged Daddy stuff insured that no kid of mine will watch the film til they're at least 9 or 10 years old. Very grim, very negative stuff. It didn't have to be that way, and there's no way Lee & Kirby would have signed off on the mangling had it been submitted for their approval.
But yes, Bana was top notch in the part and I hope he's back.
Even if they were totally re-doing the origin story, I'd still be for keeping him.
And since all the sicko killer Daddy stuff was dispensed with in the first film, maybe they can simply move forward with a more recognizable Hulk story.
That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
The origin to the HULK in the TV show was a slap in the face to the comic and its fans. I loved the HULK movie, would have hated it if it followed the TV show.
Advanced Dark
08-07-2006, 10:34 AM
It's gonna follow the tv show as far as Banner being a man on the run trying to control the monster. I like that. It's not going to look like the TV show though. We're gonna see the Abomination.
The "Daddy-killed-Mommy-and-I-repressed-the-memory" bullcrap was my main problem with Ang Lee's mangling of the Hulk. None of that was necessary. If you just have to go mucking up the Hulk's origins, then the 70's tv show's origin followed a better premise, in my opinion: After being unable to free his wife from a terrible car accident, Banner discovers that some people (even frail old ladies) have been documented lifting vehicles right off the ground in times of similar stress. Banner becomes understandably obsessed with finding out why. He discovers that gamma radiation was way up during those apparently miraculous feats and way down at the time of his and his wife's accident. This discovery leads to Banner bathing himself in gamma radiation, and one stubborn flat tire later, the Hulk was born. No disturbing traumatized child bullcrap.
Everything was scaled down in the tv show (especially the Hulk's size relative to the comics) but emotionally it clicked with people. The psychodrama that Ang Lee trotted out was not any Hulk that I know, and the deranged Daddy stuff insured that no kid of mine will watch the film til they're at least 9 or 10 years old. Very grim, very negative stuff. It didn't have to be that way, and there's no way Lee & Kirby would have signed off on the mangling had it been submitted for their approval.
But yes, Bana was top notch in the part and I hope he's back.
Even if they were totally re-doing the origin story, I'd still be for keeping him.
And since all the sicko killer Daddy stuff was dispensed with in the first film, maybe they can simply move forward with a more recognizable Hulk story.
That's what I'm hoping, anyway.Go complain to Marvel, they are the ones that set up the Father killed mother situation. Looong before Ang was ever involved with Hulk. They also setup the height changes by letting artists draw Hulk progressively larger and larger.
p.s. Stan Lee seemed more than happy with Ang's changes to the origin. If you visited the official movie website and watched the video interview you'd know this. :up:
Secret_Riddle
08-07-2006, 01:03 PM
no offence to hulk lovers out there but i love the first movie and the approach to the movie of more as a drama then a mindless action film. i also loved the cast. from what i hear hulk 2 is just going to be an action film wich i know is what a lot of u want. but if it is just mindless action and eric bana, jeniffer conelly arnt in it (which they likely wont be if they dont like the script) then i probably wont see the movie. lmfao alright i probably will but ill be dissapointed.
DACMAN
08-07-2006, 01:32 PM
Hey, don't get me wrong. I loved the first one. But, enough of the character development, I'm ready for some HULK SMASH!
Secret_Riddle
08-07-2006, 02:56 PM
yes a fair amount of hulk smash would be good:D
gvcool2
08-07-2006, 02:57 PM
Hulk Vs. Abomination = King Kong Vs. T-Rex
DACMAN
08-08-2006, 01:21 AM
Awwww yeah!
HULKSTER'04
08-08-2006, 02:18 AM
Bana should return! he's good at playing banner,though i didn't felt he was puny in the film!
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-08-2006, 04:08 AM
no offence to hulk lovers out there but i love the first movie and the approach to the movie of more as a drama then a mindless action film. i also loved the cast. from what i hear hulk 2 is just going to be an action film wich i know is what a lot of u want. but if it is just mindless action and eric bana, jeniffer conelly arnt in it (which they likely wont be if they dont like the script) then i probably wont see the movie. lmfao alright i probably will but ill be dissapointed.
Totally agree with you, if Bana doesnt return i think that will indicate that this will be a poor movie, in the veign of Fantastic Four or X-Men 3, 100 minutes long and more action than character moments.
Secret_Riddle
08-08-2006, 08:50 PM
Totally agree with you, if Bana doesnt return i think that will indicate that this will be a poor movie, in the veign of Fantastic Four or X-Men 3, 100 minutes long and more action than character moments.
yah bana has showen interest but im sure if he turns it down after reading a script then the movie basically will be poor for fans of the first one wich i am :(. and yes im sure itll be awesom to fans of the HULK SMASH.
Totally agree with you, if Bana doesnt return i think that will indicate that this will be a poor movie, in the veign of Fantastic Four or X-Men 3, 100 minutes long and more action than character moments.Agreed. The cast said around the time of Hulk's release they were motivated more to work with Ang than to work on a Hulk movie. If things turn out mediocre, I can see Bana bailing out.:)
Lobster Charlie
08-09-2006, 12:12 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The director is a pretty good one, as I enjoyed both Transporter and Unleashed. He's much better than Tim Story and Brett Ratner...so that whole FF/X3 comparison is pretty far-fetched.
And ya know, I don't quite understand all the Bana adoration...he was decent, a little too big to be "puny Banner," but you all seriously think he's simply the ONLY one who could play this role well? I mean, really??
Obi-Ron
08-09-2006, 05:50 PM
And ya know, I don't quite understand all the Bana adoration...he was decent, a little too big to be "puny Banner," but you all seriously think he's simply the ONLY one who could play this role well? I mean, really??
Yeah, seriously. :whatever:
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-10-2006, 03:55 AM
I thought Bana was great in the first movie, and he has gone on leaps and bounds since then, he was the only one with charisma in Troy, and though i havent seen it, he has been getting a lot of praise for his performance in Munich. I also want him back for continuity's sake, i hate re-casts, they take you out of the movie experience IMO.
Excel
08-10-2006, 06:30 AM
the big 3 should all be back. they were the only good thing bout the original flm.
gvcool2
08-10-2006, 06:31 AM
the big 3 should all be back. they were the only good thing bout the original flm.
Eric Bana
Jennifer Connoly
and
????
Eric Bana
Jennifer Connoly
and
????
sam elliot
gvcool2
08-10-2006, 06:44 AM
sam elliot
he's the only one i would want back
bana and elliot are the ones i want back.
gvcool2
08-10-2006, 06:51 AM
bana I think i could live without, as long as we get a decent replacement
I could live with a different Betty. I want Eric and Sam back. There are a few actresses that look a little like Jennifer, i'd be fine if she gets replaced. :)
Preferably though, I want them all back. Even have Harper back helping Bruce(in a Rick Jones way). :hulk:
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-10-2006, 08:02 AM
I definately want Bana, Connelly and Elliot back, Connelly may be the hardest to persuade to come back though.
Warhammer
08-10-2006, 12:22 PM
I want Eric and Sam back.
I want Rick Jones to be introduced.
Connelly is beautiful, but if she doesnt come back, I can live with it.
I SEE SPIDEY
08-10-2006, 12:23 PM
If Bana is allowed to act like a character we care about, then by all means give him a go at the role again.
Honestly, I don't see him coming back though, he clearly is one of the few people who enjoyed the first one (or can't admit that it's not good) so why would he come back for a sequel with a different director and lighter tone?
As for Jennifer, she has expressed her disappointment with the first movie, I really don't think that she is coming back.
If Bana is allowed to act like a character we care about, then by all means give him a go at the role again.
Honestly, I don't see him coming back though, he clearly is one of the few people who enjoyed the second one (or can't admit that it's not good) so why would he come back for a sequel with a different director and lighter tone?
As for Jennifer, she has expressed her disappointment with the first movie, I really don't think that she is coming back.
Eric has talked about how he would like the sequel to be lighter and i dont think Louise would let him go, they'll write a script that he would want to be in.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-11-2006, 03:41 AM
Please come back Eric Bana PPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEE EEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
WTFwuzThT
08-11-2006, 04:06 AM
Get a Banner that is a little more geeky. I'm glad he's not doing it if it turns out that way.
Dark Knight
08-11-2006, 12:59 PM
If Bana is smart.....he would choose to NOT work with this kind of director in the Hulk sequel ahead of a director like Chris Nolan and an unbelievable cast that will be in the Begins sequel TDK. I want Bana for Dent/Two Face! :up: LOL
DACMAN
08-11-2006, 02:18 PM
I thought Bana was great in the first movie, and he has gone on leaps and bounds since then, he was the only one with charisma in Troy, and though i havent seen it, he has been getting a lot of praise for his performance in Munich. I also want him back for continuity's sake, i hate re-casts, they take you out of the movie experience IMO.
He was great in Munich. And I thought Troy was unbalanced because I found myself rooting for Bana's character. He was a much more sympathetic and likeable character than Brad's.
Dark Knight
08-11-2006, 03:49 PM
He was great in Munich. And I thought Troy was unbalanced because I found myself rooting for Bana's character. He was a much more sympathetic and likeable character than Brad's.
I agree.....i was rooting for Bana's Hector far more than Pitts Achilles.
gvcool2
08-11-2006, 03:51 PM
because hector was written as a good character, it really had nothing to do with bana's performance, although I'm not saying his performance wasn't good
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-16-2006, 03:29 AM
because hector was written as a good character, it really had nothing to do with bana's performance, although I'm not saying his performance wasn't good
Well thats why i dislike the movie, we should be rooting for both of them, but when Achilles wins their battle, it just makes me hate him even more.
Well thats why i dislike the movie, we should be rooting for both of them, but when Achilles wins their battle, it just makes me hate him even more.
not really, Achilles IMO felt like a good guy fighting for the wrong side, he wanted to be remembered and he fought for the best army, which in this case was the bad guys.
Well thats why i dislike the movie, we should be rooting for both of them, but when Achilles wins their battle, it just makes me hate him even more.Yeah I felt this way to. Kinda ruined the movie for me, I won't go out of my way to see it a second time. :doom:
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-16-2006, 08:02 AM
not really, Achilles IMO felt like a good guy fighting for the wrong side, he wanted to be remembered and he fought for the best army, which in this case was the bad guys.
I just saw Achilles as an arrogant scmuch fighting simply because he wanted to be famous and remembered. Killing people for that reason is stupid IMO. Hector fought for his Father, his country, and his family, a much better and more relatable reason IMO.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-16-2006, 08:02 AM
Yeah I felt this way to. Kinda ruined the movie for me, I won't go out of my way to see it a second time. :doom:
I am able to watch it again but i just hate Achilles and therefore lose interest at many points of the movie, especially when Hector dies.
Knives122
08-16-2006, 08:15 AM
I've said it a dozen times, Eric Bana carries that movie until he dies. Then it just gets really stale.
gvcool2
08-16-2006, 08:18 AM
why does hating achillies ruin the movie for you if the idea was for the audience to despise achillies and his disjointed motives and broken morals?
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-16-2006, 08:23 AM
why does hating achillies ruin the movie for you if the idea was for the audience to despise achillies and his disjointed motives and broken morals?
I think the idea was for us to start liking Achilles more throughout the movie, but the oppsite happens to me.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-16-2006, 08:23 AM
I've said it a dozen times, Eric Bana carries that movie until he dies. Then it just gets really stale.
I'll agree with you every time you say it then!
gvcool2
08-16-2006, 08:26 AM
I begin to sympathise with achillies when he begins to fall in love with that woman, as before this we had seen him as how he wanted to be seen an immortal god, yet that woman was the only thing that makes him and us remember his human
Steelsheen
08-16-2006, 06:22 PM
any news or rumours about Bana's involvement yet?
DACMAN
08-16-2006, 08:07 PM
Well thats why i dislike the movie, we should be rooting for both of them, but when Achilles wins their battle, it just makes me hate him even more.
I felt the exact same way.
ISHMAEL
08-16-2006, 08:54 PM
Hulk Vs. Abomination = King Kong Vs. T-Rex
:up: :) :hulk:
gvcool2
08-16-2006, 08:59 PM
even better Hulk carries Betty across skull Island after General Ross drops them to on the island to get Hulk out of the country than Hulk & Betty meet up with Kong and Ann and a massive fight ensues between Kong and Hulk and than Betty & Ann get in a cat fight...violence ensues, the women get wet, kong gets green on his fur...and everyone dies...scene
Advanced Dark
08-16-2006, 11:52 PM
Clint from moviehole and harry from aicn are both hearing Bana is not likely to come back. I say let's all assume he's not coming back and accept it now and if he does come back...great.
Clint from moviehole and harry from aicn are both hearing Bana is not likely to come back. I say let's all assume he's not coming back and accept it now and if he does come back...great.
NO!!!!!!! :mad:
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 03:55 AM
Clint from moviehole and harry from aicn are both hearing Bana is not likely to come back. I say let's all assume he's not coming back and accept it now and if he does come back...great.
NO, this is bad, ****, ****, ****, ****, ****
if marvel let him go, its would be the stupidest thing they would have done, Bana has to come back, please dont f**k it up Marvel.
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 04:44 AM
theres thousands of actors who could do a better job, I say go the unknown route
theres thousands of actors who could do a better job, I say go the unknown route
nope, i'm not saying he's the only one but to say unknown acters can do a better job than Eric is rubbish IMO. Eric is a great actor used the worng way in the first movie. He was playing an emotionally repressed charcter, that why most of the audience couldnt relate to him. Give him a script he can show his skills and i bet you people will love the guy. Eris is one of the best actor Marvel has, it would be stupid to let him go.
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 04:58 AM
I can assure you the script in this next film will not be nearly on the same level as the first, it will consist of 75% of action and the remaining on useless plot points that nobody cares about, not only will bana not have a role to get into it will be a different character than the first
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 07:28 AM
if marvel let him go, its would be the stupidest thing they would have done, Bana has to come back, please dont f**k it up Marvel.
Marvel will be making a BIG MISTAKE if they let Bana go. But with Marvel it wouldnt surprise me to be honest, i am losing interest in this movie by the days.
I can assure you the script in this next film will not be nearly on the same level as the first, it will consist of 75% of action and the remaining on useless plot points that nobody cares about, not only will bana not have a role to get into it will be a different character than the first
yeah, that pisses me off even more
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 09:18 AM
yeah, that pisses me off even more
Me too, Marvel are so ****, i've been saying this for a while, but i think they are turning into the new Fox, they just want to belt out short action movies with no subtance!!!!!!
Wyrminarrd
08-17-2006, 10:31 AM
You guys won´t be happy when you read the frontpage, it sounds like Purcelle believes the role to be his :(
I was really hoping that Bana would be back but something tells me they would already have announced it if he was :csad:
lordofthenerds
08-17-2006, 10:37 AM
If Purcelll replaces Bana I'll be pi$$ed. I didn't think he did well in Blade trinity, and he loooks even less "puny".
Superhero Hype!
08-17-2006, 10:40 AM
Well, I'd like to see Eric back, but Dominic is a great actor as well. I would be okay with it.
Dr. MIX
08-17-2006, 10:44 AM
Me wants ma Bana back dammit :(:mad::up:
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-17-2006, 10:46 AM
If Purcell is cast, i have officially lost interest in this.
He makes absolutely no sense as Banner. Purcell that is.
kedrell
08-17-2006, 11:44 AM
I'd be ok with Purcell. He was great in John Doe. I'd prefer Bana but this is a decent 2nd choice.
Dark Knight
08-17-2006, 01:16 PM
I told you all Bana isn't going to want to be involved in a Hulk sequel....being directed by another Avi Arad hack director. He doesn't want to ruin his career. I'm happy about this news about crap Purcell. Gives me hope that Bana maybe cast as Dent/Two Face in TDK...
Dark Knight
08-17-2006, 01:18 PM
Well, I'd like to see Eric back, but Dominic is a great actor as well. I would be okay with it.
Purcell a great actor?? Nah...He played one of the weakest Draculas' of all time in Blade 3.....
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 01:19 PM
I've said it before but I think purcelll is the worst choice for bruce banner, he'd be perfectr for the hulk but for puny banner...I...THINK...NOT
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 01:20 PM
Purcell a great actor?? Nah...He played one of the weakest Draculas' of all time in Blade 3.....
blame the script/direction/film it wasn't his performance that sucked
tonytr1687
08-17-2006, 01:29 PM
blame the script/direction/film it wasn't his performance that sucked
No sorry...he was bad. A good actor can elevate himself above bad direction and a bad script. This guy didnt.
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 01:30 PM
Well, I'd like to see Eric back, but Dominic is a great actor as well. I would be okay with it.
I'd be ok with Purcell. He was great in John Doe. I'd prefer Bana but this is a decent 2nd choice.
Ahhhh how refreshing :) Someone who see that if A isn't available B could work:up:
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 01:41 PM
No sorry...he was bad. A good actor can elevate himself above bad direction and a bad script. This guy didnt.
not if the character was written bad, trinity's drake (whatever the **** that means) was a bad villain and not even brando could bring anything relatively interesting to the role
Ahhhh how refreshing :) Someone who see that if A isn't available B could work:up:
not unless B was utter s**t :up:
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 01:47 PM
not unless B was utter s**t :up:
like purcell
like purcell
the guy isnt s**t IMO, loved him in Prison Break, just the casting, you'd think Marvel would know that Bruce Banner isnt a well built guy who looks like he could kick your ass :rolleyes:
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 01:50 PM
I didn't mean acting wise, I enjoyed his performance in prison break, i'm talking **** in the sense of his choice for the role, it seems entirely miscast...I've got a feeling we could be going the hulk suit route...purcell could be hulk not banner
I didn't mean acting wise, I enjoyed his performance in prison break, i'm talking **** in the sense of his choice for the role, it seems entirely miscast...I've got a feeling we could be going the hulk suit route...purcell could be hulk not banner
that would be ok IMO, i hope its like you say it is but i thought if they wanted Bana to come back, giving him the chance to play BOTH characters would tempt him more. Andy Serkis said that they should have made Bana play the Hulk in the first film, i'm sure Bana would like to try it out atleast.
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 01:56 PM
most actors hate all the cgi stuff and the motion capture they have to do, so I don't think that would tempt bana to return
most actors hate all the cgi stuff and the motion capture they have to do, so I don't think that would tempt bana to return
yeah, he said in an interview once that he liked not having to wear make-up or green paint for his transformation scenes
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 02:06 PM
not unless B was utter s**t :up:
But what if B turns out better than A. No one wanted Bana when they said he was going to be Banner. That turned out ok :word:
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 02:08 PM
matter of opinion ^
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 02:08 PM
.I've got a feeling we could be going the hulk suit route...purcell could be hulk not banner
Not unless he's 7' or taller :hulk:
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 02:10 PM
matter of opinion ^
What. That Bana was pretty good as Banner? Yes you're right. I thought he did ok.
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 02:11 PM
Not unless he's 7' or taller :hulk:
Prostethics and camera trickey can work magic, just look at the hobbits.
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 02:12 PM
What. That Bana was pretty good as Banner? Yes you're right. I thought he did ok.
Bana basically whispered and grunted the whole script with a pained look on his face, he didn't look like a man with repressed anger he looked like a man with trapped bowels
But what if B turns out better than A. No one wanted Bana when they said he was going to be Banner. That turned out ok :word:
Bana had Chopper and Black Hawk down behind him when he was cast as Bruce Banner, Dominic has Blade Trinity and a TV series :confused:
but as always, you are right CJ, we dont know what they are going to do with Dominic, they could make him lose weight and he could put in a great performace and we'd all be like "bana who?"... i really hope that is the case, i'm just pissed i wont see Bana in a Hulk movie is all.
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 02:18 PM
Bana basically whispered and grunted the whole script with a pained look on his face,
As directed by Ang Lee :oldrazz:
he didn't look like a man with repressed anger he looked like a man with trapped bowels
LOL yeah something like that :up:
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 02:21 PM
As directed by Ang Lee :oldrazz:
LOL yeah something like that :up:
I wasn't on set so it's hard who to blame but it may of very well been ang lee's decision to make bana have constapation
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 02:23 PM
but as always, you are right CJ, .
Not always. Remember that one time ;) :woot: Thanks Sava but I'm just being optimistic
we dont know what they are going to do with Dominic, they could make him lose weight and he could put in a great performace and we'd all be like "bana who?"... i really hope that is the case, i'm just pissed i wont see Bana in a Hulk movie is all.
Yeah, if this is true it's sad. I like Bana as Banner. Sure he's a little to tall to be Banner but I think he did a good job with what he had.
Not always. Remember that one time ;) :woot: Thanks Sava but I'm just being optimistic
as you should, Bana was the only thing i didnt want them to screw with :(
Yeah, if this is true it's sad. I like Bana as Banner. Sure he's a little to tall to be Banner but I think he did a good job with what he had.
same here
DACMAN
08-17-2006, 02:43 PM
You know, I'm just glad they're making another. They could have done alot worse.
You know, I'm just glad they're making another. They could have done alot worse.
hire the writer of Elektra... hire the director of Transpoter 2... hire the guy who was probably the worst Dracula we've seen in the past decade...have a budget of around 100mill... go Man in suit route...
...how could they have done worse? :D j/k
kedrell
08-17-2006, 02:48 PM
hire the writer of Elektra... hire the director of Transpoter 2... hire the guy who was probably the worst Dracula we've seen in the past decade...have a budget of around 100mill... go Man in suit route...
...how could they have done worse? :D j/k
You seem to forget that the writer also did X2. And that the director also did Transporter1 and Unleashed(I'm convinced that this is what got him the job).
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 02:48 PM
transporter was a good movie
Lobster Charlie
08-17-2006, 03:26 PM
Unleashed was a fantastic movie as well. I have my reservations about the writer, though. And what's with the meathead Banner's they keep casting? What we need is the modern day equivalent of a mid-1980's Timothy Hutton.
And why would you need a man in a suit? Just get a body builder, give him a 4 week crash course in how to throw a fit (and show a little tenderness), do some scaling tricks a la LOTR.
I want a real person, not a CG jolly green giant who takes naps by the lake and looks at flowers with a sad, soggy face.
Naeriksgurl
08-17-2006, 03:44 PM
You seem to forget that the writer also did X2. And that the director also did Transporter1 and Unleashed(I'm convinced that this is what got him the job).
You seem to forget Penn also wrote X3 as well. ICK.
Furthermore, Letterier was only the artistic director on Transporter 1. Corey Yuen was in charge of the great action we saw in that film and Luc Besson had a heavy hand in it as well. Unleashed was good, but that was mostly due to Jet Li being a badass, and Transporter 2, which Letterier handled solo, sucked my left butt-cheek (yes, that was a nod to my hm.com homies!!)
Cracker Jack
08-17-2006, 03:55 PM
Letterier was only the artistic director on Transporter 1. Then what's the big deal you artsy fartsy type should love this guy ;) :oldrazz: :D
Transporter 2, which Letterier handled solo, sucked my left butt-cheek (yes, that was a nod to my hm.com homies!!)
All bow down to the Gamma Goddess or suffer the same fate as Slither Gamma :eek:
kedrell
08-17-2006, 03:56 PM
You seem to forget Penn also wrote X3 as well. ICK.
Furthermore, Letterier was only the artistic director on Transporter 1. Corey Yuen was in charge of the great action we saw in that film and Luc Besson had a heavy hand in it as well. Unleashed was good, but that was mostly due to Jet Li being a badass, and Transporter 2, which Letterier handled solo, sucked my left butt-cheek (yes, that was a nod to my hm.com homies!!)
Not much wrong with X3. What was, I blame on FOX rushing the production. And you seem to think that Letterier can't hire people more experienced in fight choreography(sp?). He's done it before.
Naeriksgurl
08-17-2006, 04:10 PM
Not much wrong with X3. What was, I blame on FOX rushing the production. And you seem to think that Letterier can't hire people more experienced in fight choreography(sp?). He's done it before.
*sigh*
Let's just agree to disagree on X3, eh?
As for Letterier...he didn't hire anyone with regard to the original Transporter. He was the hired. Yuen was pointman and the credited director on that film. If Letterier can't even be bothered to direct his own action (fight choreography is something entirely different and usually has it's own coordinators anyway), it doesn't really leave much, because his films to this point are pretty slight on everything else.
@CJ...
You know, Pitoff was an art director before he took the helm on Catwoman. Some people just need to know their place. Besides art director and ART HOUSE Director are two different terms! :p
Advanced Dark
08-17-2006, 07:00 PM
But they're fun.
DACMAN
08-17-2006, 08:13 PM
hire the writer of Elektra... hire the director of Transpoter 2... hire the guy who was probably the worst Dracula we've seen in the past decade...have a budget of around 100mill... go Man in suit route...
...how could they have done worse? :D j/k
1. Man did Elektra suck...
2. The Transporter was pretty good. 2, not so much. Unleased was good.
3. IMO, I thought he was one of the best Draculas in a while.
4. 100 Mill is a pretty good amount.
5. Have we heard it's man in a suit?
DACMAN
08-17-2006, 08:17 PM
Yeah, I just checked the first HULK. It's budget was 137 mil. That's not much of a difference. Didn't he say "around" 100 million?
Steelsheen
08-17-2006, 08:30 PM
Clint from moviehole and harry from aicn are both hearing Bana is not likely to come back. I say let's all assume he's not coming back and accept it now and if he does come back...great.
dammit :(
gvcool2
08-17-2006, 08:52 PM
*sigh*
Let's just agree to disagree on X3, eh?
As for Letterier...he didn't hire anyone with regard to the original Transporter. He was the hired. Yuen was pointman and the credited director on that film. If Letterier can't even be bothered to direct his own action (fight choreography is something entirely different and usually has it's own coordinators anyway), it doesn't really leave much, because his films to this point are pretty slight on everything else.
@CJ...
You know, Pitoff was an art director before he took the helm on Catwoman. Some people just need to know their place. Besides art director and ART HOUSE Director are two different terms! :p
you do realise that almost every fight in a film is directed by the stunt coordinator or he works very closely with the director in storyboarding the scene, it is rare that a director choreographs his own fights.
Advanced Dark
08-17-2006, 08:57 PM
^ Yep. Matrix.
1. Man did Elektra suck...
2. The Transporter was pretty good. 2, not so much. Unleased was good.
3. IMO, I thought he was one of the best Draculas in a while.
4. 100 Mill is a pretty good amount.
5. Have we heard it's man in a suit?
oh please, His dracula sucked more than Van Helsings' dracula, thats something i didnt think was possible. Transporter 2 was crap IMO, just too over the top and most of the times, f**king ridiculous. Unleashed was good becuase of the actors involved, not his direction. 100mill for a all out action film with Abomination vs Hulk is low...VERY low. with the 100mill, there are going the Man in suit route, no other way to make it that cheap and use all cgi.
you do realise that almost every fight in a film is directed by the stunt coordinator or he works very closely with the director in storyboarding the scene, it is rare that a director choreographs his own fights.
well, then he sucks at bringing in good people for that too then :o
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-18-2006, 03:42 AM
This 2nd Hulk movie looks as if it will be worse than X3, FF and Elektra put together, and thats something i never thought possible.
This 2nd Hulk movie looks as if it will be worse than X3, FF and Elektra put together, and thats something i never thought possible.
i'd still go see it :(
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-18-2006, 04:27 AM
^The way things are going, i'm not going to see it at all.
^The way things are going, i'm not going to see it at all.
unless this is Batman and Robin type bad, then i wont see it :(
Cracker Jack
08-18-2006, 08:35 AM
@CJ...
You know, Pitoff was an art director before he took the helm on Catwoman. Some people just need to know their place. Besides art director and ART HOUSE Director are two different terms! :p
Just messing around Doll. I think Frenchy will do a fine job. Well maybe I should say I hope he does a fine job. I have to keep my chin up and not go all ape**** because of some changes. ;) Im not going to take my ball and go home and pout, like some people around here, because they're changing things that they think need to be changed. Im waiting for The Incredible Hulk to come to a theater near you before I form my opinion. I hated what they were doing while making the first movie and Im not thrilled with this one so far. That said, I thought the first one was going to be great. We know how that turned out. :(
Just messing around Doll. I think Frenchy will do a fine job. Well maybe I should say I hope he does a fine job. I have to keep my chin up and not go all ape**** because of some changes. ;) Im not going to take my ball and go home and pout, like some people around here, because they're changing things that they think need to be changed. Im waiting for The Incredible Hulk to come to a theater near you before I form my opinion. I hated what they were doing while making the first movie and Im not thrilled with this one so far. That said, I thought the first one was going to be great. We know how that turned out. :(i'd take my ball and leave but ... its Hulk, i'll still watch it, i'll still go crazy after watching the trailer :(...
Cracker Jack
08-18-2006, 08:44 AM
i'd take my ball and leave but ... its Hulk, i'll still watch it, i'll still go crazy after watching the trailer :(...
I know you'll still around Sava. It's because you're a Hulk fan my brother. I still think we'll be suprised. I think everything will turn out better than it's looks right now. People crying "i'm not going to see it at all." before they even know what's going on make me sick :down :mad:
I know you'll still around Sava. It's because you're a Hulk fan my brother. I still think we'll be suprised. I think everything will turn out better than it's looks right now.
i hope so, i was surprised they were casting so soon, i doubt a script is even written now, Bana would have wanted to see the script before he signed on :confused:
Cracker Jack
08-18-2006, 09:00 AM
Bana would have wanted to see the script before he signed on :confused:
Good point Sava. Who knows, maybe this guy is going to play Abomy.
gvcool2
08-18-2006, 09:50 AM
I could so see purcell playing Blonsky now thinking about it, he could put on a russian accent over that gruff deep voice of his...i could very much see that working...I also feel ron perlman would be a good choice
Good point Sava. Who knows, maybe this guy is going to play Abomy.
i hope he is.
DACMAN
08-18-2006, 12:05 PM
oh please, His dracula sucked more than Van Helsings' dracula, thats something i didnt think was possible. Transporter 2 was crap IMO, just too over the top and most of the times, f**king ridiculous. Unleashed was good becuase of the actors involved, not his direction. 100mill for a all out action film with Abomination vs Hulk is low...VERY low. with the 100mill, there are going the Man in suit route, no other way to make it that cheap and use all cgi.
A bunch of no-names are being hired. Which'll cost less. They also have the foundational work from the first, which should save money (sound track, CGI, so on). So considering the first cost 137, and this one is 100, I don't see where all the money could go other than CGI.
A bunch of no-names are being hired. Which'll cost less. They also have the foundational work from the first, which should save money (sound track, CGI, so on). So considering the first cost 137, and this one is 100, I don't see where all the money could go other than CGI.
i use to think the same thing, CGI should cost less, but thats not what i heard.
there was a huge conversation about this in HM.com
It's not about keeping up with the Jones. It's just the way FX process works. They won't re-use four-year old CGI models from another movie. They just won't. Nobody does (except SW trilogy), because it doesn't really save money. They would re-scan and rebuild all models in a manner which which be more efficient and flexible than what what used nearly half a decade ago, if nothing else for the reason that Hulk will almost certainly undergo a re-design. They would do this even if ILM was handling the majority of FX again, and it will probably be several companies this time around.
Even with the advances in mo-cap, frame-by-frame hand animation is still the most dominant and most expensive part of the CGI animation process, and unless you want this movie to look like one of those Filmmation Tarzan cartoons with the same animations shown over and over, it will be very expensive.
CGI animation is not about cutting costs. If you ever hear a director or crew talk about the money they saved with CGI, 99.9% of the time they're talking about adding simple objects, digital sets, or generally making corrections that would be very expensive to do if they had to do full on re-shoots. I'm saying the idea that they can save money by re-using technology from the first film is not in any way a workable or realistic solution.
DACMAN
08-18-2006, 03:43 PM
i use to think the same thing, CGI should cost less, but thats not what i heard.
there was a huge conversation about this in HM.com
But again, the cost for the actors, director and score should be less, freeing up more money for the FX. Is 37 million really going to make that much of a difference?
envybianchi
08-18-2006, 05:28 PM
If there is a guy wearing a suit..... (which is going to suck by the way), hope they don't put erect nipples on it like in Batman & Robin. Don't need another fruity gay Hulk. ***!
Advanced Dark
08-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Zak Penn already said it's CGI mixed with animatronics and perhaps a guy in suit for non action close up scenes or parts of the tranformation. It's better this way then just plain all CGI because the only flaw I saw in the CGI was during transformations.
It's better this way then just plain all CGI because the only flaw I saw in the CGI was during transformations.Is that because of the way they decided to show him transforming? Or is it down to CGI being inherently inferior? I don't see how a better cgi transforming couldn't solve this issue. It's not like CGI is inherently weak for such transformations.:)
Obi-Ron
08-19-2006, 07:07 AM
I'd say CG is essential for the transformation(s).
gvcool2
08-19-2006, 07:55 AM
I don't think theirs any other way to perform a transformation without looking like a cheesy movie
gvcool2
08-19-2006, 07:56 AM
I would really like to see some animatronics used, juarassic park utilised it so well it was flawless
I would really like to see some animatronics used, juarassic park utilised it so well it was flawless
Dinosaurs and Humans... not the same thing
gvcool2
08-19-2006, 08:28 AM
wow hulks human?...may I ask what you look like?
DACMAN
08-19-2006, 11:02 AM
Yes, he is. He's the world's most powerful human(sometimes mortal). Read the comic much? They say that like every 3 issues. He has a human face. I think his point is that dinosaurs are easier to do because they don't have so many muscles in the face and facial expressions like we do. It would be hard. I'm not saying it can't be done. Just that it'd be hard. We'd need Jim Henson good. Ever see Labyrinth? One of the main character's face was entirly animatronics and it was done well.
wow hulks human?...may I ask what you look like?
stop being an idiot :up:
I would really like to see some animatronics used, juarassic park utilised it so well it was flawlessWhile it was good for the day, it's far from flawless. I watched the film again a few months ago, after all the people saying Jurassic park was more realistic than all cgi Hulk(pretty much since release). And I can't understand why. Still as far as effects go for believability:
Kong(King Kong) > T-rex("juarassic park"*)
*Known elsewhere as "Jurassic Park"
Lobster Charlie
08-19-2006, 11:56 AM
The T-Rex car chase scene in JP is STILL some of the best looking CG, EVER. It all comes down to staging, tension, and Phil Tippet's brilliant animation. the creature had weight, it had character, and it *felt* real, which is most important. Other CG spots in that film aren't as on-point, though. The animatronics, no...not so great either.. But the best thing about them is the human interaction, the genuine fear in the actor's faces. But that's more to do with Spielberg than anything, he's a master.
I say again, get a big ol' bodybuilder, teach him some rudementary acting, use LOTR-style tech to scale him *slightly* bigger. (just a hair beyond reality makes him believable, another problem I had with the original Hulk), and use CG to enhance the transformation sequences, but do NOT be stuck to CGI for everything.
I'd love to see a combination of old-school makeup/prosthetics and CGI enhancement/clean-up. But you know, above all, what we need is GOOD DIRECTION. The transformation sequences need to be tense, explosive, painful, and freakish, almost disgusting to see. This is a man who's having his bone and muscle structure drastically changing in a very short period of time.
Watch American Werewolf In London's transformation sequence to get an idea of how much transforming hurts. :)
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-21-2006, 04:20 AM
100% CGI all the way for me, it worked brilliantly in Hulk and has only been topped by King Kong IMO. I sympathised with the Hulk through his facial expressions, which were a lot more expressive than animatronics could ever be.
Brian Braddock
08-21-2006, 08:31 AM
100% CGI all the way for me, it worked brilliantly in Hulk and has only been topped by King Kong IMO. I sympathised with the Hulk through his facial expressions, which were a lot more expressive than animatronics could ever be.
Totally agree. The part that nails it for me is when Hulk looks upon his old home after touching down from his leap out of the underground base. He gives a gulp and you can see the emotion in the expression that ILM gave him.
Animatronics could never deliver that. Not at that level.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-21-2006, 08:56 AM
Totally agree. The part that nails it for me is when Hulk looks upon his old home after touching down from his leap out of the underground base. He gives a gulp and you can see the emotion in the expression that ILM gave him.
Animatronics could never deliver that. Not at that level.
There are lots of parts like that in the movie IMO, like when the Jet is going to hit the bridge and the Hulk looks down and realises he can do something about it. Or when his face changes from pure anger when coming up out of the floor in San Fran, to sadness, satisfaction and calmness when he sees Betty in the helicopter.
Animatronics cant deliver half of what we were given in the first movie.
There are lots of parts like that in the movie IMO, like when the Jet is going to hit the bridge and the Hulk looks down and realises he can do something about it. Or when his face changes from pure anger when coming up out of the floor in San Fran, to sadness, satisfaction and calmness when he sees Betty in the helicopter.
Animatronics cant deliver half of what we were given in the first movie.
that scene shows how great the CGI was and how good of an actor Ang is IMO.
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-21-2006, 09:01 AM
that scene shows how great the CGI was and how good of an actor Ang is IMO.
Agreed, I loved the Hulks facial expressions in Hulk.
Agreed, I loved the Hulks facial expressions in Hulk.
one of the reasons why Hulk doesnt need to talk much IMO
Hiruu
08-21-2006, 09:31 AM
I would have like to see Bana's return, but this is a business, and if it's not feasible, so be it...but there are ALOT of talented actors out their to play the role.
gvcool2
08-21-2006, 02:48 PM
although many moments in the movie we sympathised with hulk through his facial expressions, hulk still did not look real, and did not adapt well into the movie
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-22-2006, 03:55 AM
although many moments in the movie we sympathised with hulk through his facial expressions, hulk still did not look real, and did not adapt well into the movie
I thought he looked completely real, and i cant believe there are people out there who didnt. He looked more real than Spidey does in a lot of his swinging scene's, or more real than Juggernaut when he busts through walls in X3.
And you just completely contradicted yourself, if you knew what he was feeling throughout the movie through his facial expressions, how can you say he didnt look real?
gvcool2
08-22-2006, 04:49 AM
^ because some of the worst actors cud get through emotions to an audience, it doesn't only depend on facial expressions, you could be in the moment from the over dramatic storyline, or the music or you could relate to the scene.
I think juggernaut bustiing through the walls was real alot of the time, and spiderman is a different beast considering that's an abnormal movement to present as a cgi creation as it's not realistic to audiences so it seems strange, whereas I'm just talking about the hulk in general
Brian Braddock
08-22-2006, 05:34 AM
Guys, let's face it, Hulk by the very nature of what he is may never seem completely 100% real on the big screen given current technology but ILM came damn close the 1st time round.
Sometimes you just have to appreciate the Special effect for what it is, and 1 things for sure, CG will produce better results with emoting and facial expressions (not to mention fluidity of movement) than animatronics/ man in suit ever could IMO.
gvcool2
08-22-2006, 05:38 AM
I don't think you can just discredit cgi like that, technology has proven that realism can be obtained through the most obscure things, and so often it is used so seamlessly that it's not even noticeble. Golum and to a lesser extent King Kong proved that an unhuman creature can be made to look natural and realistic through CGI and I believe with the right technology, Hulk can be done to.
Brian Braddock
08-22-2006, 06:06 AM
I don't think you can just discredit cgi like that, technology has proven that realism can be obtained through the most obscure things, and so often it is used so seamlessly that it's not even noticeble. Golum and to a lesser extent King Kong proved that an unhuman creature can be made to look natural and realistic through CGI and I believe with the right technology, Hulk can be done to.
Dude, I'm not discrediting CGI - check my posts - I'm one of CG's biggest supporters. I'd take it over animatronics any day.
But I believe that we are not quite at the stage in technology yet where a walking, talking CG character in a movie is 100% undiscernable from a live actor. We're damn close; Hulk and Gollum were marvels of technology and King Kong pushed the photorealistic bar even further but, as I said, at this moment , you will always be conscious of these being a special effect, however amazing the special effect may be.
They say the best CG is the stuff you dont see (i.e it's so good you don't even notice it) and that applies to most things, small manipulations and backgrounds etc but not where you've got a CG lead character who is in 60% of the movie and in full shot a large proportion of that IMO.
What i'm trying to say is that it amazes me when people complain that a character looks 'too CG' instead of just appreciating it for what it is and all the hard work that went into it by the animator. Somethings just arent at the stage yet where they can be rendered so realistically that the human eye wont notice that sometings false about it.
Let's celebrate good CG for what it is rather than bashing it because it (almost inevitably) falls below our (sometimes) way high expectations.
Case in point:- remember when the Kong Trailer hit? I saw it and marveled at Kong and the amount of detail the animators had managed to embue him, thinking that they're getting closer each time they embark on a CG character.
I went on AintitCool and the amount of 'tards on the forum that were bashing it because you could tell it was CG was unbelievable. What did they expect ? A real ape?
AVEITWITHJAMON
08-22-2006, 06:13 AM
I don't think you can just discredit cgi like that, technology has proven that realism can be obtained through the most obscure things, and so often it is used so seamlessly that it's not even noticeble. Golum and to a lesser extent King Kong proved that an unhuman creature can be made to look natural and realistic through CGI and I believe with the right technology, Hulk can be done to.
IMO Hulk looked just as real as Gollum, and on top of that he interacted with more things as well. King Kong was on a whole different level to EVERYTHING done with CGI. But even then Hulk did some things better than Kong. In the dogs fight, it is cold in the woods, and you can see Hulk's and the dogs' breath in the air as they fight. But when Kong goes outside in New York, it is snowing and yet we never see his breath in the air.
gvcool2
08-22-2006, 06:37 AM
Dude, I'm not discrediting CGI - check my posts - I'm one of CG's biggest supporters. I'd take it over animatronics any day.
But I believe that we are not quite at the stage in technology yet where a walking, talking CG character in a movie is 100% undiscernable from a live actor. We're damn close; Hulk and Gollum were marvels of technology and King Kong pushed the photorealistic bar even further but, as I said, at this moment , you will always be conscious of these being a special effect, however amazing the special effect may be.
They say the best CG is the stuff you dont see (i.e it's so good you don't even notice it) and that applies to most things, small manipulations and backgrounds etc but not where you've got a CG lead character who is in 60% of the movie and in full shot a large proportion of that IMO.
What i'm trying to say is that it amazes me when people complain that a character looks 'too CG' instead of just appreciating it for what it is and all the hard work that went into it by the animator. Somethings just arent at the stage yet where they can be rendered so realistically that the human eye wont notice that sometings false about it.
Let's celebrate good CG for what it is rather than bashing it because it (almost inevitably) falls below our (sometimes) way high expectations.
Case in point:- remember when the Kong Trailer hit? I saw it and marveled at Kong and the amount of detail the animators had managed to embue him, thinking that they're getting closer each time they embark on a CG character.
I went on AintitCool and the amount of 'tards on the forum that were bashing it because you could tell it was CG was unbelievable. What did they expect ? A real ape?
sorry if that sounded like an attack on you, it wasn't intended that way...you made some good points.
My view is if CG is not advanced enough to create a character that audiences believe in than they should wait a few years until the technology is more advanced, which is one of the reasons spider-man wasn't made for 10 years after the original script was written.
I say this merely because when I'm watching a movie, I watch in very close detail and if something doesn't strike me as perfect than I get straight out of the movie and am not drawn into it like I should of been, and when I see poor use of effects such as the CG transformation in Hulk, it takes me straight out of the movie.
Nevertheless many people will still enjoy the movie regardless and to a degree I do, but as my mum used to tell me, if you can't do something right, don't do it at all.
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